Absolutely correct! There is as much brutality in the Bible as the Koran. I’d oppose any Christian country that started to target, persecute and kill unbelievers every bit as strongly as I oppose Islam. But could you even imagine the public outcry if a so-called “Christian” country started to treat the non-religious the way Islam does today? What’s with cultural pseudo-tolerance anyway? Slavery is slavery, regardless of which book is used to justify it. "Two wrongs..."
its a shame that only the jewish god of war survived the cut into modern times ,being an iron age war god makes him a bit bloody minded and even the first century fabrication of his hippy,peacnik son ,doesnt change his underlying murderous nature .
modern christians wisely ignore the rules of the old killer and the teachings of his feckless ,simpleton son .(ie, take no heed of the morrow ,give all your stuff away and follow only me )
sadly ,muslims still obey this old pagan war god .
I have even more respect for you because of your bravery. Both you and I know that revealing your face in your case is very dangerous. Thank you for your videos, Hassan.
As TXHalabi pointed out, this book is essentially the torah, or part 1 of the trilogy. The New Testament being part 2 and the Koran part 3. I am unsure of the point of this video, although taking the piss out of this horrible religious garbage is always fine by my reckoning. The Title "Religion Of Peace" is possibly a dig at those who criticise Islam for NOT being a religion of peace.Are you mounting a "they are worse than we are, so we are really OK" defence?
As TXHalabi pointed out, this book is essentially the torah, or part 1 of the trilogy. The New Testament being part 2 and the Koran part 3. I am unsure of the point of this video, although taking the piss out of this horrible religious garbage is always fine by my reckoning. The Title "Religion Of Peace" is possibly a dig at those who criticise Islam for NOT being a religion of peace. I have a suspicion that you are as such, mounting a "they are worse than we are, so we are really OK" defence?
I think the only explanation for the Christian and Islamic gods being both equally psycho and bloodthirsty is that they were both invented by the same, (Abraham) original, bloodthirsty psycho.
Would you take advice from your great great great grandfather on how to live your life today? no? then why take adivce from infinatley more stupid people from 2 thousand years ago, so by what authority do we have to take lessons on how to live today by these uneducated desert dwellers.
God is a God of love but only toward His Covenant People. Adam broke the original covenant with God. That is why all his descendants (i.e. you and me) are guilty before God. Israel was God's covenant people .Those outside the covenant could be slaughtered if they were a stumbling block to Israel because of their *vile* (look it up to see how vile) idolatries. God does not wrong anyone. He is just. YOU can repent of your wickedness and wicked words and Jesus will forgive you all your wickedness.
Even if I could find nothing else wrong with this statement (and, believe it or not, there is plenty), I cannot take you seriously when you say that god is just when he saddles all of Adam's descendants with Adam's guilt. Exactly what wickedness have I committed for which I should repent?
@salamace7 you are at a loss, are you, as to what wickedness you have committed ? if you are honest with yourself take a look at the 10 commandments and ask yourself how successful you are in keeping them. And remember God's standard is 100%. Even a 99.9999% record counts as wickedness.
3. I don't think i've ever eaten unleavened bread for 7 days in the month of A-bib but, in my defense, I don't know when the month of A-bib is. Feel free to help me out on this one.
4. I don't own any livestock yet, so this one doesn't apply.
5. I certainly TRY to rest on the seventh day of each week, when the demands of higher education permit me to.
@salamace7 i don't see where you get numbers 3 and 4, and no.5 is the 4th commandment, the 5th is Honor your Father and Your Mother -- always keto that one?
I beg to differ. Read Exodus 34: 11-28. The list I have made corresponds directly to the list of instructions that the bible refers to as "The Ten Commandments". I am aware that there is another list (starting in Exodus 20:3) that many people (including, apparently, you) think are "The Ten Commandments", but the bible disagrees.
@salamace7 ok, is see what you are saying -- in the Exod 34 i count no more than 8 commandments so these cannot be The Ten Commandments of Exodus 20. in Exod 34:1 it says :"Now the LORD said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets (recorded in Exod 20) which you shattered."
I am sorry you are having such a hard time counting, but there are other problems with your argument. There is NO mention of stone tablets in Exodus 20. The first time they are mentioned is in Exodus 24:12 when god supposedly tells Moses to come up and receive written commandments. The ones in Exodus 20 are not restated, there are about 50 other orders issued between Exodus 20 and 24, and at no time are any of these referred to as "The Ten Commandments".
@salamace7 see Deuteronomy 5 where they are mentioned again and called the Ten Commandments. see especially Deuteronomy 5 verse 22 : “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me."
The tables first given to Moses may have said this, but these were not called the ten commandments (no, not even in Deuteronomy 5). The tablets on which Moses WROTE had the commandments I have listed, and WERE called "The Ten Commandments". However, for the sake of argument, since you wanted me to assess my morality according to the instructions in Exodus 20...
@salamace7 6. Jesus said if you are angry with someone without cause it is the same as murder . 7. Jesus said lusting after a woman is the same as having committed adultery with her 10. really ? never coveted ANYTHING that belonged to ANYONE else ?
2. Lust and desire are not choices, so I decline to accept the blame for them. Besides, it is absurd to claim that feeling, wanting, or thinking something is somehow evil. And If jesus said that they are, then I say that jesus is wrong. A god who holds feelings against people is a god who has made a game that he expects people to lose.
Okay, let us define our terms. What is the distinction between temptation and sin (and what, for that matter, IS sin)? I would venture to assert that sin is an entirely arbitrary concept; it does not necessarily entail harm, malice, or evil intent, but is simply the failure (or disinclination) to obey. What, in fundamental terms, is objectively bad about disobedience?
@salamace7 what is objectively bad about it ? the honour and the greatness of the Person spurned in our disobedience ... to Whom we OWE obedience since "He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things" (Acts 17:25) ... besides on a much lower level we all obey human laws and human rules
It is true that we obey human laws, but we also have a say in what those laws are (unless we are living under a brutal dictatorship), and we can appeal and have those laws changed. The point of laws is to protect people from each other. Disobedience is not harmful in itself. The fact that god (if he exists) is powerful enough to make people suffer eternally if they disobey him does NOT make him morally correct.
It costs god nothing to give people life, and they ow him nothing in return. I brought my daughter into this world. I protect her and do all that I can to make sure that she will consider life worth living as she gets older, and if I tell her to do something, I explain why it is important, and I make sure that it is to keep HER safe. My child owes me NOTHING. As one who "gave her life", I owe her EVERYTHING I can ever do for her; it doesn't matter what it costs me.
@salamace7 you are a good father ... and so is God ... he has given us LIFE and everything ... provides us with everything because God is love ... nobody has to go to Hell .. He has made provision for our salvation .... how would you feel if your daughter turned her back to you and all the good things you have given her and can still give her to her own detriment ? ... very strong analogy here. ... " God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance" (Romans 2:4)
I would never create a hell that might claim my child. It may be inevitable that she will have unpleasant learning experiences, but it is my responsibility to make the process as painless for her as I can. I know that burning hurts; I don't need to let my daughter feel that pain in order to teach her (even if she says she really wants to experience it for herself, I have the insight to know that she doesn't).
I would not blame my daughter if she got mad at me for something she thought was my fault, nor expect her to thank me for things she didn't know I gave her. More importantly, there is NOTHING she could ever do for which I would allow her to be tortured. If she were to spit in my face and tell me she hated me, it would break my heart. I WOULD be hurt (maybe even permanently), but she would still be my child, and I would still protect her. A father's love should NEVER come with provisions.
@salamace7 there is a point where the divine-human analogy breaks down : why did God create us and everything there is ? did He need to ? No. He is perfect & complete in His Triune self (never was lonely, for instance). So the creature by definition MUST exist to give Him glory. It's HIS universe HIS rules HIS glory HIS character which must be upheld --- meaning His justice , His righteousness alongside His goodness and His love ...
@celal777 : "The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay," (Romans 9:20,21)
How does this make god any different from a Mafia boss? The fact that he (according to an ancient book) declares that he is perfect and doesn't have to answer to anyone gives him NO moral credibility. I don't want to put words into your mouth, but the subtext of this message seems to be that god is an egomaniacal monster who MUST be obeyed because you can't stop him from exacting brutal revenge.
@salamace7 I love the Lord Jesus Christ. IF you want to see how God is like -- look at Jesus Christ. Sorry no time to continue this discussion. I would just say that you do sit in judgement of God a lot. Does it make sense to you that one should sit in judgement of his MAKER ? It's pretty absurd if your think about it .It is our Creator who has the right to sit in judgement of US. 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 was my Bible reading this morning. You may have the last word if you wish. Got to go. Thanks.
"Thanks to all my christian fans who recomanded I read it..."
You forgot to throw salt into your eye, beat yourself over the head with a brick, take cocaine, and mark out all the bad parts with a sharpie before reading it. Therefore, you read it wrong and therefore your argument is invalid.
Child Sarcrifice AMOS 1:13 God says it’s ok to rip out babies from the womb.2 Kings 2:23-24: 42”little ones” children are killed by two bears, for calling a prophet " baldy" Exodus 12:29-30.kill all the little boys. 13:2. Isaiah 14:21 &13kill all the little kids. Hosea 9:11-16.God says he will kill all their children. 13. God says to rip open all the women’s womb and kill all unborn babies.
Child Sacrifice part 2 . Judges 11:29-40 God loves to burn little girls. Deuteronomy 21:19-21. Stone kids Genesis 19:4-8 Lot (who God calls righteous) offers his virgin daughters up to be raped. Later he gets drunk and has sex with his own daughters.
God loves to kill. Judges :1-8, 21:10-24 , Deuteronomy 13:6-9 ,13:13-19. 7:16- 22:13-21. 24,20:10-14. (21:19-21. Stone kids.) Genesis 6:5. Josh 6:21,8:22-26,10:10_13, 11:11,11:21. Exodus 9:6, 9:25, 10:15. 12:30. 21:15&17. 31:15. 35:2. 2 Kings 8:12. 1Kings 20:30: God makes a wall fall and kill 27 000 of an army retreating from some Israelites . Zephaniah 1:7:18, 1:2-6. Jeremiah 50:21-22. Leviticus 10:1 >10:2. 20:920:13. . 24:16. 27:28-29. Isaiah 13:15-18. LUKE 12:51. Matt 18:6
GOD LOVES TO KILL part 2 Psalm 137:9 >>babies are smite against rocks, Numbers 16:16-49: Death to all those who complain (14,950 of them altogether) Num.15:32/6. 21:3 / 21:35. 31:5, 7, 17. 2 Samuel 6:6-11: ,12:11-14. God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant. What a jerk,
Matthew 10:34) Jesus says he comes not in peace but with a sword to divide families and condemns most all hell. Luke 12:51. 19:27 Jesus says, But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' 5:17-19. Jesus sends everyone to hell. 20-22 Mark 31:30 Jesus lied/false prophet and should be killed according to the bible. Deut 18:20-22. Mark11:12-14; 20-25.&MATT 21:18-19,
Better ask yourself why Christianity doesnt fuel terrorist attacks all over the world as ISLAM DOES! QURAN MUST BE UNDERSTOOD LITERALLY while Boble can be understood methaporically cause the Quran is DIRECT WORD OF GOD unlike the bible, which is just inspired. This video is without purpose...
@SerbSimulator Anders Brevik. The bombing of abortion clinics. The IRA. Plenty of Christian terrorist out there, most of whom believe the Bible is literal, they just get less media attention I wonder why that could be.
@GriffinPilgrim Anders Brevik in his manifesto tells he was not a christian and he did not kill people cause of the verses in the Bible thats FACT. IRA KILLED people cause of political issues with UK and not because of the verses in the bible. PEOPLE GET KILLED EVERY SINGLE DAY CAUSE OF THE VERSES IN QURAN. Quran is the direct word of God and must be understood literally, thats the big problem with islam and reason why we see muslim terrorist in every generation.
@SerbSimulator Brevik see's himself as a crusader fighting against Islam, defending Europe's culture which includes Christianity.
There are no muslim terrorists every generation; what we're seeing is a sixty year old trend of religious fundamentalist response against decades of foreign occupation.
@SerbSimulator You think that Islamic terrorists are completely lacking in political issues? Like the IRA and pretty much every religious terrorists they are both political and religious. And again, there are plenty of Christians out there who believe the Bible is literal.
I to be honest use to really believe then I thought I should read the bible it was after a bit of that, that I realized WTF?? No -__- That's why I tell people who haven't read the bible but are Christian to actually read it. It helps to deconvert people. ^___^
HAHAHA, I'm really enjoying this! (specially the dislikes) Because there is a lot of christian bigots that subscribe to anti islam channels and websites, just to reaffirm to themselves that their religion is not that bad "hey look at islam! it sucks! Therefore the bible is the word of god"...and vise versa with all these religious debates, justifying a bag of shit as acceptable by comparing it to a smellier bag of shit. When in reality, they're both bags of shit. Sorry Christians and Muslims!
@crashpilot2 The real teachings of Jesus include the introduction of the concept of eternal punishment in hellfire after death. The Old Testament is pretty horrible but at least they didn't pretend to bother you after you died. Sure, Jesus supposedly said some nice thing but consider the punishment he recommended for those who didn't follow his "enlightened" teachings.
Some modern Jews, Christians, and Muslims feel like they don't need to pay any attention to the verses that explicitly describe genocide, despite the fact that their religion would likely not exist today if not for the killing the exceedingly violent tribes from which the Hebrew scriptures originated committed. We tend to know less or even diddly squat about the religions of relatively peaceful cultures.
The Bible is more violent than the Qu'ran - literally. Yaweh was one of many gods in the ancient middle-east and subordinate to El, before he evolved to be the Christian god of today.
There is nothing nonsensical about have a triune heaven. It beats the diune godhead of islam where there is god, moe the pedo, and of course the requisite 5 yo virgins, boys of perpetual youth for homosexual muslims etc. The important question as a muslim is are there going to be any virgins left for a muslim with Moe the hoe hanging around there? I think NOT. : ) S
On the other hand islam still suffers from not actually being a religion but more the ad hoc post hoc rants of a pedophile and more akin to Nazism and communism. It has not philosophical basis either but that is too complex for this audience. S
Obviously you are either uneducated or acting like you are. All you just proven is that same shit affected the old testament that afflict islam. The difference being that most Christians nowadays have dispensed with that shit just as they wear clothes with more than one type of fiber in it especially given that they follow the new testament exclusively with the old being colored bubbles. No I am not a Christian or a slave to any “magic book”. S
I hate all religions but did Jesus say and do these things??? and this is the old testament is it not. I think Christians did this shit 500 years ago...and the Koran is a copy and paste of that shit with the prophet actually partaking in the barbarism.with the added burden that to behave as Muhammad did is almost if not more important than the Koran. because they did it, that makes it ok for me to do it, is how this argument plays out.
A very important message i think. Many christians really think, their god is a good one and allah is bad, just because they only have read the qu'ran, but not the bible ;). You can interprete everything into the bible, so that you only have a vague god of love after this, the same you can do about the qu'ran and i'm sure this will happen one day too. But in general both books are not so different, they are both constructs of their time and age and should not be taken literally ;).
that was from many years ago, chrisians are now the most peacefull religion, islam however still pratices this bullshit trying to inforce there dog shit religion. FUCK ISLAM
@DubStepEdition wrong . look at what christians do in Nigeria using the funds donated , burniing children for an accusation of witchcraft , look at how ill patients are treated in india under the church of "saint" teresa . even in the so called civilzed world many are denied rights because of skin color , gender and sexual orientation because christianity deems it so , a lot of double think is need to state that christianity is more peaceful now then that of any other religion
@jmm1233 Christianity is not more peaceful. It appears so because in the West, we've had reformation and civil right movement and revolution that stripped Christianity of its power and control over society. Giving the power and control, they will restrict people civil rights and try to enforced their beliefs and worldviews on everyone.
@jmm1233 ok then, let's use someone like madiba, or martin luther king jr. in spite of their persecution and suffering the believed in forgiveness, which they put down to their christian beliefs. had they not had those beliefs, then like a "rational" thinking person they would have used their power or influence to take revenge. religion can be used in good and bad ways. to get people to be more rational & humane and less religious will take time and education.
@extrapressure wrong again , chrisitanity doesn't promote forgiveness , it promote intorlenace , the same struggle martin luther jr had to go through by those same predjuices promoted by christianity that owning another human being was acceptable , it by those same doctrinated beliefs that eternal torment waited for those who disobied , to try and promote a forced complaince is not rational , and the whole revenge thing is christianity answer to what they did to the jews during spanish iquistion
@jmm1233 were mandela and MLK jr intolerant then, seeing as they were christians? apartheid and segregation was about legitimizing racism, it wasn't strictly a religious thing, they also used darwinism, atheism, so called eugenic ideologies. they even used their skin colour, making something so trivial so important that they separated lighter skinned races from darker races, the latter they deemed not fully human by using the evolution theory. but we are all humans so just love eachother.
@extrapressure oh going with the darwinism thing , a label given by the religious as to not admit their own short comings , how pathetic . the whole eugenics ideology was based on a religious catholic stance promoting surpremisey of the white christians against the jews , mormons also held this view as one their based creeds , there is no stance or creed dictated like in relkigion that says one race is better then another , and no where in evolutionary theory that deems skin color a factor
@jmm1233 ok then mate. i guess you can't see things objectively. everyone who is religious is evil, or potentially evil. all atheists are good rational thinking people, who have never nor will ever do anything criminal or unethical, okay?! because all human beings are two dimensional like that. have a nice life.
@extrapressure ok then i guess you can't help to twist religious injustices as being done by us atheists or just claim that we are all hating , just as when we point thoughs things out to you , oh by the way , copout arguement is so fail
@HomoCyborgZombie the most peacefull compared to islam. i never said anything about Jainism or Buddhism, they would be the most peaceful if you were talking about all of the religions i think
Another often cited example of violence is the incident in which kids were mauled by bears for mocking a bald guy. Let's not forget the planet-wide slaughter of innocents in the flood.
My guess is religious people have all sorts of warm childhood memories from around the time they were indoctrinated. They associate the bible with fond thoughts of family and fun social events. Maybe they have trouble separating the two.
it is funny there is that quote in 1 Corinthians 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind. It knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited." Meanwhile in the old testament God straight up says he is a jealous god, he is more than forward and assertive (flooded the earth for example) and essentially every quality that defines love in the bible is contrary to the disposition of God. God CANNOT be love based on their own definitions and scripture.
Can't say I "like" this, but this bloodythirsty crap is one of the reasons I'm no longer christian, or even a theist. We must all get beyond this stone-age nonsense.
I can be a witch at times and turn into my teddy bears and make videos for YT, lol.
Cheers. Kristine.
krissyeh 4 months ago
God aka the sky Gaddafi.
shotta0121 5 months ago
Absolutely correct! There is as much brutality in the Bible as the Koran. I’d oppose any Christian country that started to target, persecute and kill unbelievers every bit as strongly as I oppose Islam. But could you even imagine the public outcry if a so-called “Christian” country started to treat the non-religious the way Islam does today? What’s with cultural pseudo-tolerance anyway? Slavery is slavery, regardless of which book is used to justify it. "Two wrongs..."
deah99 6 months ago 2
its a shame that only the jewish god of war survived the cut into modern times ,being an iron age war god makes him a bit bloody minded and even the first century fabrication of his hippy,peacnik son ,doesnt change his underlying murderous nature .
modern christians wisely ignore the rules of the old killer and the teachings of his feckless ,simpleton son .(ie, take no heed of the morrow ,give all your stuff away and follow only me )
sadly ,muslims still obey this old pagan war god .
woodenmajor 6 months ago
I can also hear God giving out these orders in a Darth Sidious voice: "Wipe them out... ALL of them!"
Akira625 6 months ago
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Ahahaha... spot on :)
alin1975 6 months ago
I have even more respect for you because of your bravery. Both you and I know that revealing your face in your case is very dangerous. Thank you for your videos, Hassan.
ManOnFia 6 months ago
In my ex-Muslim Qur'an, it commands me in verse 2:34 to facepalm hard when a Muslim apostates, and becomes a Christian.
I'm currently attempting to reinterpret that verse, so that it commands me to facepalm them hard instead of me.
superhamzah85 6 months ago 3
As TXHalabi pointed out, this book is essentially the torah, or part 1 of the trilogy. The New Testament being part 2 and the Koran part 3. I am unsure of the point of this video, although taking the piss out of this horrible religious garbage is always fine by my reckoning. The Title "Religion Of Peace" is possibly a dig at those who criticise Islam for NOT being a religion of peace.Are you mounting a "they are worse than we are, so we are really OK" defence?
NoFaithNoPain 6 months ago
As TXHalabi pointed out, this book is essentially the torah, or part 1 of the trilogy. The New Testament being part 2 and the Koran part 3. I am unsure of the point of this video, although taking the piss out of this horrible religious garbage is always fine by my reckoning. The Title "Religion Of Peace" is possibly a dig at those who criticise Islam for NOT being a religion of peace. I have a suspicion that you are as such, mounting a "they are worse than we are, so we are really OK" defence?
NoFaithNoPain 6 months ago
Koran is composed of 70 % Bible, the rest is Muhammad's sick mind
CaptainCharismarules 6 months ago 2
Awesome video
strangetranceoffaith 7 months ago
I think the only explanation for the Christian and Islamic gods being both equally psycho and bloodthirsty is that they were both invented by the same, (Abraham) original, bloodthirsty psycho.
smpaudio 7 months ago
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without the Bible, - the koran would be a very thin book...
53yoMoRAPESa9yoChild 7 months ago
Would you take advice from your great great great grandfather on how to live your life today? no? then why take adivce from infinatley more stupid people from 2 thousand years ago, so by what authority do we have to take lessons on how to live today by these uneducated desert dwellers.
MrMymanalishi 7 months ago
God is a God of love but only toward His Covenant People. Adam broke the original covenant with God. That is why all his descendants (i.e. you and me) are guilty before God. Israel was God's covenant people .Those outside the covenant could be slaughtered if they were a stumbling block to Israel because of their *vile* (look it up to see how vile) idolatries. God does not wrong anyone. He is just. YOU can repent of your wickedness and wicked words and Jesus will forgive you all your wickedness.
celal777 7 months ago
Even if I could find nothing else wrong with this statement (and, believe it or not, there is plenty), I cannot take you seriously when you say that god is just when he saddles all of Adam's descendants with Adam's guilt. Exactly what wickedness have I committed for which I should repent?
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 you are at a loss, are you, as to what wickedness you have committed ? if you are honest with yourself take a look at the 10 commandments and ask yourself how successful you are in keeping them. And remember God's standard is 100%. Even a 99.9999% record counts as wickedness.
celal777 7 months ago
Well, let's see shall we:
1. I have worshiped no other god.
2. I have made no molten gods.
3. I don't think i've ever eaten unleavened bread for 7 days in the month of A-bib but, in my defense, I don't know when the month of A-bib is. Feel free to help me out on this one.
4. I don't own any livestock yet, so this one doesn't apply.
5. I certainly TRY to rest on the seventh day of each week, when the demands of higher education permit me to.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 i don't see where you get numbers 3 and 4, and no.5 is the 4th commandment, the 5th is Honor your Father and Your Mother -- always keto that one?
celal777 7 months ago
Continued:
6. Having no agriculture to speak of, I don't think this applies to me.
7. Ditto male children.
8. I have never offered a blood sacrifice with leaven.
9. Still no agriculture.
10. It would never even occur to me to seethe a kid in it's mother's milk.
Unless god wants to blame me for not knowing when the month of A-bib is, I am just fine where the ten commandments are concerned.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 no idea what you're talking about with your number 6-10 they have nothing to do with what is known as the Ten Commandments.
celal777 7 months ago
I beg to differ. Read Exodus 34: 11-28. The list I have made corresponds directly to the list of instructions that the bible refers to as "The Ten Commandments". I am aware that there is another list (starting in Exodus 20:3) that many people (including, apparently, you) think are "The Ten Commandments", but the bible disagrees.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 ok, is see what you are saying -- in the Exod 34 i count no more than 8 commandments so these cannot be The Ten Commandments of Exodus 20. in Exod 34:1 it says :"Now the LORD said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets (recorded in Exod 20) which you shattered."
celal777 7 months ago
I am sorry you are having such a hard time counting, but there are other problems with your argument. There is NO mention of stone tablets in Exodus 20. The first time they are mentioned is in Exodus 24:12 when god supposedly tells Moses to come up and receive written commandments. The ones in Exodus 20 are not restated, there are about 50 other orders issued between Exodus 20 and 24, and at no time are any of these referred to as "The Ten Commandments".
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 see Deuteronomy 5 where they are mentioned again and called the Ten Commandments. see especially Deuteronomy 5 verse 22 : “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me."
celal777 7 months ago
The tables first given to Moses may have said this, but these were not called the ten commandments (no, not even in Deuteronomy 5). The tablets on which Moses WROTE had the commandments I have listed, and WERE called "The Ten Commandments". However, for the sake of argument, since you wanted me to assess my morality according to the instructions in Exodus 20...
salamace7 7 months ago
... I will do so now:
1. I haven't worshiped any other gods.
2. I haven't worshiped graven images.
3. I know neither the name of god, nor how to "take it in vain".
4. I still try to rest on the seventh day of the week.
5. I do honor my parents.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 1. are you sure ? what is your god if not YHWH ? money ? reputation ? sex ? pride ? 4. you TRY to rest TRY ?
celal777 7 months ago
6. I have not murdered anyone.
7. I haven't committed adultery.
8. I haven't stolen from anyone.
9. I have never born false witness against anyone.
10. I have never coveted my neighbor's livestock, house, slaves, or wife.
So, back to my original question: What wickedness have I committed for which I should repent?
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 6. Jesus said if you are angry with someone without cause it is the same as murder . 7. Jesus said lusting after a woman is the same as having committed adultery with her 10. really ? never coveted ANYTHING that belonged to ANYONE else ?
celal777 7 months ago
1. I don't remember being angry with out cause.
2. Lust and desire are not choices, so I decline to accept the blame for them. Besides, it is absurd to claim that feeling, wanting, or thinking something is somehow evil. And If jesus said that they are, then I say that jesus is wrong. A god who holds feelings against people is a god who has made a game that he expects people to lose.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 temptation and sin are not the same.
celal777 7 months ago
Okay, let us define our terms. What is the distinction between temptation and sin (and what, for that matter, IS sin)? I would venture to assert that sin is an entirely arbitrary concept; it does not necessarily entail harm, malice, or evil intent, but is simply the failure (or disinclination) to obey. What, in fundamental terms, is objectively bad about disobedience?
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 what is objectively bad about it ? the honour and the greatness of the Person spurned in our disobedience ... to Whom we OWE obedience since "He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things" (Acts 17:25) ... besides on a much lower level we all obey human laws and human rules
celal777 7 months ago
It is true that we obey human laws, but we also have a say in what those laws are (unless we are living under a brutal dictatorship), and we can appeal and have those laws changed. The point of laws is to protect people from each other. Disobedience is not harmful in itself. The fact that god (if he exists) is powerful enough to make people suffer eternally if they disobey him does NOT make him morally correct.
salamace7 7 months ago
It costs god nothing to give people life, and they ow him nothing in return. I brought my daughter into this world. I protect her and do all that I can to make sure that she will consider life worth living as she gets older, and if I tell her to do something, I explain why it is important, and I make sure that it is to keep HER safe. My child owes me NOTHING. As one who "gave her life", I owe her EVERYTHING I can ever do for her; it doesn't matter what it costs me.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 you are a good father ... and so is God ... he has given us LIFE and everything ... provides us with everything because God is love ... nobody has to go to Hell .. He has made provision for our salvation .... how would you feel if your daughter turned her back to you and all the good things you have given her and can still give her to her own detriment ? ... very strong analogy here. ... " God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance" (Romans 2:4)
celal777 7 months ago
I would never create a hell that might claim my child. It may be inevitable that she will have unpleasant learning experiences, but it is my responsibility to make the process as painless for her as I can. I know that burning hurts; I don't need to let my daughter feel that pain in order to teach her (even if she says she really wants to experience it for herself, I have the insight to know that she doesn't).
salamace7 7 months ago
I would not blame my daughter if she got mad at me for something she thought was my fault, nor expect her to thank me for things she didn't know I gave her. More importantly, there is NOTHING she could ever do for which I would allow her to be tortured. If she were to spit in my face and tell me she hated me, it would break my heart. I WOULD be hurt (maybe even permanently), but she would still be my child, and I would still protect her. A father's love should NEVER come with provisions.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 there is a point where the divine-human analogy breaks down : why did God create us and everything there is ? did He need to ? No. He is perfect & complete in His Triune self (never was lonely, for instance). So the creature by definition MUST exist to give Him glory. It's HIS universe HIS rules HIS glory HIS character which must be upheld --- meaning His justice , His righteousness alongside His goodness and His love ...
celal777 7 months ago
@celal777 : "The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay," (Romans 9:20,21)
celal777 7 months ago
How does this make god any different from a Mafia boss? The fact that he (according to an ancient book) declares that he is perfect and doesn't have to answer to anyone gives him NO moral credibility. I don't want to put words into your mouth, but the subtext of this message seems to be that god is an egomaniacal monster who MUST be obeyed because you can't stop him from exacting brutal revenge.
salamace7 7 months ago
@salamace7 I love the Lord Jesus Christ. IF you want to see how God is like -- look at Jesus Christ. Sorry no time to continue this discussion. I would just say that you do sit in judgement of God a lot. Does it make sense to you that one should sit in judgement of his MAKER ? It's pretty absurd if your think about it .It is our Creator who has the right to sit in judgement of US. 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 was my Bible reading this morning. You may have the last word if you wish. Got to go. Thanks.
celal777 7 months ago
Continued:
As for the orders in Exodus 34...
1. Thou shalt worship no other gods.
2. thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4. All firstborn sons (and male livestock) shall be redeemed, for they belong to god (paraphrasing).
5. Work six days... on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
salamace7 7 months ago
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
7. Thrice in the year shall your men-children appear before the lord.
8.Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
9. The firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the lord.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in it's mothers milk.
Moses is told to write these on the stone tablets, and they are referred to as " the words of the covenant, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS."
salamace7 7 months ago
Yeah the Old Testament is a nasty, genocidal bit of literature.
CMO999 7 months ago
monotheists are all bigoted against polytheists. musselmen and christians are as bad as eachother there. hinduism is the real religion of peace
ThomasRowsell 7 months ago
"Thanks to all my christian fans who recomanded I read it..."
You forgot to throw salt into your eye, beat yourself over the head with a brick, take cocaine, and mark out all the bad parts with a sharpie before reading it. Therefore, you read it wrong and therefore your argument is invalid.
AManOfHope 7 months ago
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jimwal2008 7 months ago
Dear Christians, I will save you some time and post your potential counter arguments
• "But that's the Old Testament"
• "You're taking it out of context"
• "God works in mysterious ways"
• [Add your excuse to support the non-existant tyrant (God) here]
FreeFromWar 7 months ago 12
Quoting from the bible - a crazy quilt of writings over several centuries - give it credence. Don't do that.
lancethrustworthy 7 months ago
Rape my daughters, that is far better than consensual same gender intercourse.
TheRationalizer 7 months ago 5
@crashpilot2 it a good job they don't follow everything from the old testament , but they shouldn't be hypocrites about that fact
jmm1233 7 months ago
Child Sarcrifice AMOS 1:13 God says it’s ok to rip out babies from the womb.2 Kings 2:23-24: 42”little ones” children are killed by two bears, for calling a prophet " baldy" Exodus 12:29-30.kill all the little boys. 13:2. Isaiah 14:21 &13kill all the little kids. Hosea 9:11-16.God says he will kill all their children. 13. God says to rip open all the women’s womb and kill all unborn babies.
itsasin1969 7 months ago
Child Sacrifice part 2 . Judges 11:29-40 God loves to burn little girls. Deuteronomy 21:19-21. Stone kids Genesis 19:4-8 Lot (who God calls righteous) offers his virgin daughters up to be raped. Later he gets drunk and has sex with his own daughters.
itsasin1969 7 months ago
The only religion of peace is Jainism /discussion
computerjero 7 months ago
God loves to kill. Judges :1-8, 21:10-24 , Deuteronomy 13:6-9 ,13:13-19. 7:16- 22:13-21. 24,20:10-14. (21:19-21. Stone kids.) Genesis 6:5. Josh 6:21,8:22-26,10:10_13, 11:11,11:21. Exodus 9:6, 9:25, 10:15. 12:30. 21:15&17. 31:15. 35:2. 2 Kings 8:12. 1Kings 20:30: God makes a wall fall and kill 27 000 of an army retreating from some Israelites . Zephaniah 1:7:18, 1:2-6. Jeremiah 50:21-22. Leviticus 10:1 >10:2. 20:920:13. . 24:16. 27:28-29. Isaiah 13:15-18. LUKE 12:51. Matt 18:6
itsasin1969 7 months ago 2
GOD LOVES TO KILL part 2 Psalm 137:9 >>babies are smite against rocks, Numbers 16:16-49: Death to all those who complain (14,950 of them altogether) Num.15:32/6. 21:3 / 21:35. 31:5, 7, 17. 2 Samuel 6:6-11: ,12:11-14. God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant. What a jerk,
itsasin1969 7 months ago
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Matthew 10:34) Jesus says he comes not in peace but with a sword to divide families and condemns most all hell. Luke 12:51. 19:27 Jesus says, But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' 5:17-19. Jesus sends everyone to hell. 20-22 Mark 31:30 Jesus lied/false prophet and should be killed according to the bible. Deut 18:20-22. Mark11:12-14; 20-25.&MATT 21:18-19,
itsasin1969 7 months ago
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Religion is a disgrace for the human race.
Tralgit 7 months ago
Better ask yourself why Christianity doesnt fuel terrorist attacks all over the world as ISLAM DOES! QURAN MUST BE UNDERSTOOD LITERALLY while Boble can be understood methaporically cause the Quran is DIRECT WORD OF GOD unlike the bible, which is just inspired. This video is without purpose...
SerbSimulator 7 months ago
@SerbSimulator Anders Brevik. The bombing of abortion clinics. The IRA. Plenty of Christian terrorist out there, most of whom believe the Bible is literal, they just get less media attention I wonder why that could be.
Btw, no-one likes the random caps.
GriffinPilgrim 7 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Anders Brevik in his manifesto tells he was not a christian and he did not kill people cause of the verses in the Bible thats FACT. IRA KILLED people cause of political issues with UK and not because of the verses in the bible. PEOPLE GET KILLED EVERY SINGLE DAY CAUSE OF THE VERSES IN QURAN. Quran is the direct word of God and must be understood literally, thats the big problem with islam and reason why we see muslim terrorist in every generation.
SerbSimulator 7 months ago
@SerbSimulator Brevik see's himself as a crusader fighting against Islam, defending Europe's culture which includes Christianity.
There are no muslim terrorists every generation; what we're seeing is a sixty year old trend of religious fundamentalist response against decades of foreign occupation.
ginkiba3 7 months ago
@SerbSimulator You think that Islamic terrorists are completely lacking in political issues? Like the IRA and pretty much every religious terrorists they are both political and religious. And again, there are plenty of Christians out there who believe the Bible is literal.
GriffinPilgrim 7 months ago
I to be honest use to really believe then I thought I should read the bible it was after a bit of that, that I realized WTF?? No -__- That's why I tell people who haven't read the bible but are Christian to actually read it. It helps to deconvert people. ^___^
MistressArte 7 months ago
HAHAHA, I'm really enjoying this! (specially the dislikes) Because there is a lot of christian bigots that subscribe to anti islam channels and websites, just to reaffirm to themselves that their religion is not that bad "hey look at islam! it sucks! Therefore the bible is the word of god"...and vise versa with all these religious debates, justifying a bag of shit as acceptable by comparing it to a smellier bag of shit. When in reality, they're both bags of shit. Sorry Christians and Muslims!
toobamatooba 7 months ago 7
@toobamatooba Yep, one difference; Christianity left the inquisition some 900 years ago, for islam it just started !
Tralgit 7 months ago
@crashpilot2 The real teachings of Jesus include the introduction of the concept of eternal punishment in hellfire after death. The Old Testament is pretty horrible but at least they didn't pretend to bother you after you died. Sure, Jesus supposedly said some nice thing but consider the punishment he recommended for those who didn't follow his "enlightened" teachings.
NoDeity 7 months ago
Wait, why the hell am I subscribed to you?
sharpshooter740 7 months ago
"Destroy it utterly... with the edge of the sword."
Hebrew: "I've been killing people with the flat of my sword. Is that okay?"
Moses: *facepalm* "NO! Idiot.... it clearly says EDGE."
Hebrew: "oh.... well.... don't you think you're taking it a bit too literally?"
Moses: "It's the word of a perfect being, fucknut. How can we follow it TOO precisely?"
Hebrew: "Hmm... you have a point. I feel silly about the whole thing now."
AlmightyAtheismo 7 months ago 27
@AlmightyAtheismo - hehe...
CEMBadmins 7 months ago
Some modern Jews, Christians, and Muslims feel like they don't need to pay any attention to the verses that explicitly describe genocide, despite the fact that their religion would likely not exist today if not for the killing the exceedingly violent tribes from which the Hebrew scriptures originated committed. We tend to know less or even diddly squat about the religions of relatively peaceful cultures.
dookiecheez 7 months ago 2
The Bible is more violent than the Qu'ran - literally. Yaweh was one of many gods in the ancient middle-east and subordinate to El, before he evolved to be the Christian god of today.
AuntieDiluvian 7 months ago
Great video!
KumarZimmerman08 7 months ago
There is nothing nonsensical about have a triune heaven. It beats the diune godhead of islam where there is god, moe the pedo, and of course the requisite 5 yo virgins, boys of perpetual youth for homosexual muslims etc. The important question as a muslim is are there going to be any virgins left for a muslim with Moe the hoe hanging around there? I think NOT. : ) S
StyngRay1 7 months ago
On the other hand islam still suffers from not actually being a religion but more the ad hoc post hoc rants of a pedophile and more akin to Nazism and communism. It has not philosophical basis either but that is too complex for this audience. S
StyngRay1 7 months ago
its the same god, and this god is an asshole and a troll
MGsven 7 months ago
@MGsven
Makes sex awesome.
Forbid it.
HomoCyborgZombie 7 months ago
Obviously you are either uneducated or acting like you are. All you just proven is that same shit affected the old testament that afflict islam. The difference being that most Christians nowadays have dispensed with that shit just as they wear clothes with more than one type of fiber in it especially given that they follow the new testament exclusively with the old being colored bubbles. No I am not a Christian or a slave to any “magic book”. S
StyngRay1 7 months ago
this one is good for both the jews and the christians, same elected wankers by some racist god
17secret 7 months ago
You're a good guy.
MarkLucasTube 7 months ago
I hate all religions but did Jesus say and do these things??? and this is the old testament is it not. I think Christians did this shit 500 years ago...and the Koran is a copy and paste of that shit with the prophet actually partaking in the barbarism.with the added burden that to behave as Muhammad did is almost if not more important than the Koran. because they did it, that makes it ok for me to do it, is how this argument plays out.
lyntonio 7 months ago
Thank goodness that the people who claim to believe in the bible don't actually believe in it.
TheLaughingOut 7 months ago
nicely done
captaindisguise 7 months ago
I wanna martyr myself for Islam so I can get my 72 raisins.
Elenkhos 7 months ago
@Elenkhos 44:54
Thus. And We will marry them to fair women with large, [beautiful] eyes
no raisins.
zemzemwater 7 months ago
@zemzemwater Wha..? Well.. cheezburgerz then?
Elenkhos 7 months ago
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zemzemwater 7 months ago
@Elenkhos What a wise investment!
TaqiyyaTown 7 months ago
A very important message i think. Many christians really think, their god is a good one and allah is bad, just because they only have read the qu'ran, but not the bible ;). You can interprete everything into the bible, so that you only have a vague god of love after this, the same you can do about the qu'ran and i'm sure this will happen one day too. But in general both books are not so different, they are both constructs of their time and age and should not be taken literally ;).
MardasMan 7 months ago 35
Good on e and very interesting , thx for posting =))
inevergiveup1402 7 months ago
that was from many years ago, chrisians are now the most peacefull religion, islam however still pratices this bullshit trying to inforce there dog shit religion. FUCK ISLAM
DubStepEdition 7 months ago
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inevergiveup1402 7 months ago
@DubStepEdition wrong . look at what christians do in Nigeria using the funds donated , burniing children for an accusation of witchcraft , look at how ill patients are treated in india under the church of "saint" teresa . even in the so called civilzed world many are denied rights because of skin color , gender and sexual orientation because christianity deems it so , a lot of double think is need to state that christianity is more peaceful now then that of any other religion
jmm1233 7 months ago 35
@jmm1233 Christianity is not more peaceful. It appears so because in the West, we've had reformation and civil right movement and revolution that stripped Christianity of its power and control over society. Giving the power and control, they will restrict people civil rights and try to enforced their beliefs and worldviews on everyone.
petion2010 7 months ago 3
@petion2010 agreed the point i was making
jmm1233 7 months ago
@jmm1233 ok then, let's use someone like madiba, or martin luther king jr. in spite of their persecution and suffering the believed in forgiveness, which they put down to their christian beliefs. had they not had those beliefs, then like a "rational" thinking person they would have used their power or influence to take revenge. religion can be used in good and bad ways. to get people to be more rational & humane and less religious will take time and education.
extrapressure 7 months ago
@extrapressure wrong again , chrisitanity doesn't promote forgiveness , it promote intorlenace , the same struggle martin luther jr had to go through by those same predjuices promoted by christianity that owning another human being was acceptable , it by those same doctrinated beliefs that eternal torment waited for those who disobied , to try and promote a forced complaince is not rational , and the whole revenge thing is christianity answer to what they did to the jews during spanish iquistion
jmm1233 7 months ago
@jmm1233 were mandela and MLK jr intolerant then, seeing as they were christians? apartheid and segregation was about legitimizing racism, it wasn't strictly a religious thing, they also used darwinism, atheism, so called eugenic ideologies. they even used their skin colour, making something so trivial so important that they separated lighter skinned races from darker races, the latter they deemed not fully human by using the evolution theory. but we are all humans so just love eachother.
extrapressure 7 months ago
@extrapressure oh going with the darwinism thing , a label given by the religious as to not admit their own short comings , how pathetic . the whole eugenics ideology was based on a religious catholic stance promoting surpremisey of the white christians against the jews , mormons also held this view as one their based creeds , there is no stance or creed dictated like in relkigion that says one race is better then another , and no where in evolutionary theory that deems skin color a factor
jmm1233 7 months ago
@jmm1233 ok then mate. i guess you can't see things objectively. everyone who is religious is evil, or potentially evil. all atheists are good rational thinking people, who have never nor will ever do anything criminal or unethical, okay?! because all human beings are two dimensional like that. have a nice life.
extrapressure 7 months ago
@extrapressure ok then i guess you can't help to twist religious injustices as being done by us atheists or just claim that we are all hating , just as when we point thoughs things out to you , oh by the way , copout arguement is so fail
jmm1233 7 months ago
@DubStepEdition And Jainism or Buddhism are in no way peaceful.
HomoCyborgZombie 7 months ago
@HomoCyborgZombie the most peacefull compared to islam. i never said anything about Jainism or Buddhism, they would be the most peaceful if you were talking about all of the religions i think
DubStepEdition 7 months ago
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@DubStepEdition Yawn~.
You were caught.
Now you can't admit you were wrong.
HomoCyborgZombie 7 months ago
Another often cited example of violence is the incident in which kids were mauled by bears for mocking a bald guy. Let's not forget the planet-wide slaughter of innocents in the flood.
SpookyFan 7 months ago
You are a sparkle of reason in this room full of dark madness. I bid you success.
viicISrotcib 7 months ago
My guess is religious people have all sorts of warm childhood memories from around the time they were indoctrinated. They associate the bible with fond thoughts of family and fun social events. Maybe they have trouble separating the two.
MrStillmans 7 months ago
You must never stop producing and uploading videos CEMBadmins. You are a beacon of sense and rationality
jonjoe1000 7 months ago
The Old Testament may be more violent, but let's not forget that the concept of hell is first introduced in the New Testament.
detersgumig 7 months ago
Good job!
KingObould 7 months ago
it is funny there is that quote in 1 Corinthians 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind. It knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited." Meanwhile in the old testament God straight up says he is a jealous god, he is more than forward and assertive (flooded the earth for example) and essentially every quality that defines love in the bible is contrary to the disposition of God. God CANNOT be love based on their own definitions and scripture.
Chibling 7 months ago
Can't say I "like" this, but this bloodythirsty crap is one of the reasons I'm no longer christian, or even a theist. We must all get beyond this stone-age nonsense.
macnadoodle 7 months ago
Cheery.
oliethefolie 7 months ago
thank you thank you thank you!!!
Please post more, I really really miss you guys, a lot :)
Kurdish Ex-Muslim <3
sahandpar 7 months ago