Missing Over New York Part 3 - Air Crash Investigation/Mayday

[BregyptianMuslim]

SAY THE WORD EMERGENCY

people under that much pressure their brains no longer function

[kaiieeyor]

Stupid low self esteem pilots, what a joke.

[water892]

air controllers were freaking stupid

[heatedkill]

why do they allow a deaf pilot to fly

[gdgdgd01]

Investigators blamed the pilots because they said it was a priority not an emergency, but it's the ATC's fault

[TheAeroman]

That controller whose shift is about to end is such a dickhead lol. INCREASE INCREASE

[mondacon2000]

Fucking Idiots!!! Controllers were responsible

[FLT111]

Back when Air crash was really good!

[joebyrneguitar]

its just unlucky - when i'm stressed i cant control anything

[SAVDC10]

OMG, really unlucky.

[umagigi]

request air crash inv. episode of new zealand airlines crash in antarctica

[TheDylanJoyce]

lets sing a song!

[Truimphful]

Pilots too relaxed, South Americans who knew their job, let down by commercial pressure and JFK. Its like driving across a level crossing, this level crossing is always empty. Apart from once or twice a year, JFK is in the passenger seat, sees the train and does not tell you. Even though you should ( The Captain) have looked yourself. Only crew would get this so don't worry if you can't.

[EnigmaDrath]

8:18 -> "The guy's angry."

Look, I don't care how intimidating/angry/bitchy JFK air controllers can get: if the plane's running out of fuel you should damn well stay on their case and demand to be given clearance to land immediately.

And the contollers were rather careless. They just kept handing the plane from one to the other without proper communication. I know they were busy but still ...

God, this was just a tragedy of errors.

[guillermovidal1lfb]

Lol! (1:51) !!!!!

[Nera320]

Best Airlines to fly: Singapore Airlines Emirates Air Canada KLM Sri Lankan Airlines Etihad Qantas British Airways Good maintenance, good pilot's and good air crafts. Qatar Airways - not good service though

[Krukester]

The co-pilot wasn't clear enough with ATC's about his fuel situation. If your low on fuel, declare a fuel emergency numerous times so ATC understands. They'll obviously give you priority clearance.

[jera2020]

oh man this is perhaps the most intense episode, definitely.

[webeffect]

I wanna punch that co-pilot in the face! SAY IT'S A ****** EMERGENCY YOU DUMBASS!

[zhengjack66]

say boo to delays and fuel

[englandish43]

I dont think the pilots were being clear enough with the controller about the scale of their fuel emergency.

[wono1915]

man going round and round is wasting time of the FUEL! STUPID PIOLITS

[charleyday11]

FUCK! At this time I will tell the controller "Hey this is the captain, we have no fuel we need to landing right now now now this is and emergency an emergency is now or we crash no fuel no fuel JERK! LET'S US LANDING NOW!!!!"

[5quaterpizzarox]

That moron! He should've said, "Avainca 052 declaring emergency, we are out of fuel. We need an an emergency approach to JFK." They would've landed had they done that, not run out of fuel and crash!

[AndyMcArren1356]

let me give it a shot

when they are running low on fuel instead the controllers should say "Avianca 052 heavy roger, cleared for approach on runway # were clearing the traffic and giving all aircrafts to hold until you land.

[LisaMDita333]

This is bullshit. There is no time to be polite in situations like this. Speak up! Also when someone says we are low on fuel be specific - I mean tell them we have xyz time. Man this was tough to watch.

[fanoflying]

It sounded like that second terrain warning said 'good luck"

[maydayfire]

watching this is very stressfull! this could have been avoided!!!! its like one of those nightmares you get when you want to take one easy step but just cant do it no matter how hard you try

[Rwy02]

i have those dreams

[ekorrefreddan]

That scumbag lawyer makes me sick.

[EricGodClapton]

timid first officer but wow..this happened on JFK's watch..poor handling. RIP. terrible accident.

[rubarb1000]

how cud that happen ,this is an utter joke,this was an accident that could be avoided easily

[Xfantasia99X]

This makes me so effin mad! Just fell cuz of those morons.:/

[dom400006]

how the fuck did this happen ! most crashes are unavoidable to some extent but this is a joke!

[danielalovesg]

I blame the controllers! Didn't they hear that the fuel is so low???

[dunkelnino]

Stupid first officer... and captain too.. afff

[loveisafact]

when they say "they find bodies and wreckage" what else would they possibly find Fat Albert?

[loveisafact]

its pretty stupid how the controllers didnt hear the pilots when they said that they didnt have fuel. they just gave instructions as if they didnt listen

[X3freako]

fuck those little bastard controllers they said they got only 5 mins of fuel left what part of 5 mins of fuel left do they not understand!?

[Johnhardman011]

@X3freako true true...

[Nera320]

@X3freako The stupid pilots should have scream on the radio and declare minimum fuel and should have given a immergency call. They are the one who up there not the controller's.

[kobenhagen]

god, even though i know what is going to happen, i keep hoping they're going to make it..

[TheHotbloodedwoman]

can't believe it, it's just like being in an accident, having mobile phone and not calling emergency

[HannaW1]

Unbelievable. Bunch of idiots. This is almost comedy.

[Lothwenia]

What stupid pilots. And stupid air controllers. And stupid weather. ARRGH! This episode is so frustrating!

[saadobl]

@Lothwenia man u forgot the authorities.....

[youngeagle14]

Is the controller deaf? The pilot kept saying ..."Declaring emergency." And the dumb ATC guy switches them over to another controller! He said they were almost out of fuel! I hope the controller was fired. It would serve him right.

[rmsbn85]

never mind fired - if that happened today he'd be facing criminal negligence charges!

[cavecanis]

If I was a captain of 20 plus years experience I would have learned to say at leas one word - three times - "mayday, mayday, mayday"..

If I was a traffic controller I would ask the overworked and now over- stressed co-pilot (and evidently translator for the captain) "do you wish to decalre an emergency"?? This is a tragi-comedy of errors on everyone's behalf - not to mention don't pilots get ATIS for destination so they know what to expect and plan?? Tragic.

[nassarSAMSA]

timid pilots.!! Correct.

All these recomendations are as results of that crashes.

[allentam911]

If I was the pilot I'd have said "Goddamn motherf... we dun got no motherf#$%#ng fuel!!! Clear as now or I'll ramn this motherf#$%er right up your @ss"

[AUgrad00]

I agree. Way to be timid pilots.

[blossom114]

It's horrible but that made me lol. True though.

[HannaW1]

hear hear

[ModelAirports]

Oh me' god, this puts them in a risky situation :(

[albertofranco14]

the captain is a jackass

[kapamadik2]

The Problem Here Is They Were Held Too Many Times Which Led To The Fuel Emergency They Had.They Should Have Had Options But With That It Is Really A Problem...

[kingsod]

Seems to me there was an abundance of mistakes here - all from different people. The mistakes made were all the same though - poor/no communication.

[ayuyinn]

"flying on fumes"

great.

[senetiinsanity]

I think in this one, all are too blame. It was a series of misunderstandings between all of them: the different flight controllers, the controllers and the crew and the pilot and co-pilot. Had they all stated things as they were (extremely bad weather, no more fuel, emergency) none of this would have happened.

[andrespg64]

the captain is so rude to the first officer

[ns927]

I agree

[vthuppil]

But the first officer never declared an emergency ... he never said the magic word "Mayday" despite the captain asking him to say it over and over again. Maybe it was the first officer's relative inexperience, but it was a fatal mistake.

[sas945]

the cause is human error

[gankala8]

exactly... they shud have warned the atc thy were short of fuel... wht dumb pilots inform the atc when they have only 30mins of fuel...

[kudafoolhu]

it's always human error

[hadiway]

707 still flying?? ohh god. this is amazing and intersting LOL

[AndyMcArren1356]

probably because Avianca uses old planes like the 727 and 707

[Juank0120]

@AndyMcArren1356 Avianca does not have those planes anymore, they have Airbus a320, Boeing 757, 767 and they already bought 10 Boeings 787

[rrynek]

@Juank0120 This plane was 23 years old at the time of crash so had it not crashed it would have been withdrawn from service anyway, because Avianca received its first B-767's in 1990.

[rluckjess]

I cannot believe this! I really cannot believe that ATC and the pilots of that plane let this happen. What a waste. Some accidents are tragic but unavoidable or unforseeable, this accident is all the more tragic because it was completely preventable. I am very sad about this.

[namsook]

seems most of air tragedies are caused by human errors ... rather than machanical failures ...

[monkeyomg]

The first officer was just a first officer it's the airline's fault for not teaching their pilots more english

[slang989]

This crash was a mix of pilot error and ATC error. It was both of these type if errors which put the plane in peril

[pistonsrule50]

how hard is it to say WE ARE OUT!!!!!!

[mikehabibi]

Is it me or did the pilot develop an accent during the flight?

[SomeStranger9]

the first officer could be blamed for not saying emergency but to me that is understandable. English is not his first language and is probably not the language he speaks at home. Where he lives and grew up saying priority was probably how you say i need attention. its just habits and misunderstanding

[Newvamp]

Even though the captain was a dick to the first officer, the first officer was really AT FAULT FOR THIS. He failed to state an emergency when it was needed

[missjenchen]

did they ever think of making a water landing?

[2206411411]

Aircraft, for all they have lifejackets, are not designed for water landings. Which is stupid but understandable. With such little fuel, a belly landing becomes a possibility, but it's too built-up an area. Given they were on dangerously low fuel near Norfolk, there is one civilian airport there and at least one military. Those would be dangerous landings. For the civilian airport, they'd have to do deliberately what the Boeing did at Heathrow when all power failed.

[pistonsrule50]

they could try, but u never know how its like in the water. besides due to the bad weather u wont even know where the water is. i would rather spend time looking for the runway than the water

[SkavenUK]

Yep. If the engines were not mounted underneath the wings they may of stood a chance ditching in the water. They would of pretty much acted like scoops if they tried (which was demonstrated in the ethiopian airlines hijacking) and disintergrate the plane.

[Stefnir94]

Bureaucracy amongst the ATC's caused the crash.

[meganat0r]

Despite the fact that Avianca and its stupid lawyer are the only ones in the whole avation world who believe the pilots are blameless, Flight 52 was the turning point in which Avianca finally made significant changes to correct its then troubled safety record.

[Kambanicity]

Nice try

ATC:s fault. they missed to pass the information on to other controlers.

Stupid asshples

[liftsifter]

But, He didn't say EMERGENCY!!!

[xedon2]

i suppose in a situation like that say a word like emergency isnt on the top of the list, especially with that (main guy??)

all bossy and questionable

[AirlineCentral]

Actually, he had a right to be angry!

[2206411411]

Technically, the correct term to use when you're flying on dregs and a prayer is: "Mayday". THAT tends to shake things up. However, in this case, it is likely irrelevant. I'm not convinced the aircraft was capable of landing in such strong headwind many minutes before the first attempt, even if the crew had perfect communication between themselves and the ground. As with all disasters, it isn't the individual failures that matter, it is the cascade of failures that makes disaster inevitable.

[BeaversAreInsane]

Geez, talking to the ATC people is like calling the cable company. You talk to 3 different people, explain your story 3 times, and in the end you just give up.

[bingcrosbya]

air traffic controllers all have blood on their hands....

[CZMQFRG]

Yeah, mostly in high-density airports though. I'd shit myself if I worked ATC in JFK :O

[ribbonhead]

its tru playa!!!

[nevets66s]

those ******* idiots why did they say we're running out of fuel when they had NONE!!! GOD **** it its their fault!

[airbusaircraft123]

The pilot is in pressure

[SomeStranger9]

i feel for that copilot, he's being gigged by the pilot and is under tremendous pressure