-- ROMNEY'S 2012 PLAN CUTS MEDICARE--Ron Paul’s plan cuts $1 trillion the first year & balances the budget in 3 years. The plan cuts spending by ending the costly foreign wars, and cuts foreign welfare, corporate welfare, and overgrown federal bureaucracy. These cuts are made so that those who are dependent on domestic spending programs such as Medicare aren’t endangered through a sudden change in benefits. Romney’s plan cuts Medicare, on which many elderly Americans rely.
@Aegius herman cant force sex on white women in am a leader of the teaparty an nigga s dont rape white women its not cool uncle toms should know there place
@sillycandie007 It's difficult to understand what you are stating. Cain didn't rape any woman including any Caucasian woman. Bialek claimed that she was unduly touched, but she never pursued her claim after the alleged incident occured and then 14 years later says something. Besides she has a reputation as a gold-digger. David Axelrod was her lawyer. Karen Krushaar, the other Caucasian woman is the a communications director at the Treasury Department's office. cont...
@sillycandie007 cont... It seems that the Obama admin may have been behind it. It doesn't matter now, b/c Cain left the race esp after he poorly handled the situation. He should have DEMANDED proof of these women and that they divulge their stories and identities. He didn't and screwed up by blaming Gov Perry.
Hence Cain is now irrelevant, so why bother with this further anyway? It's too bad. I wanted the Dems to expose their racism and Cain would have ensured that.
@Aegius your in the dark with the facts cain was only in the GOP as a token to be run out of the race by the racist GOP it was plan by the racist GOP do you really think they ever let a uncle tom ass nigga that hated his own race to be leader of the GOP
look what Rush did to micheal steele made uncle tom out him an put him on his knees
@sillycandie007 The evidence points to the Obama admin regarding Cain's downfall as stated.(David Axelrod, Karen Krushaar as Communications Dir of Dept of Treasury). There is no evidence of the GOP being behind Cain's downfall. Rush didn't make Michael Steele an Uncle Tom.
& Frankly, thanks for using the term, "Token". There is a term for dismissing a person's merit per that person's race: Racist. The real racist here isn't the GOP ppl; it's you. Thanks for now admitting it.
@Aegius i have a question when you look at the GOP an hear them say racist things an you dont see any blacks in the GOP dont you ever wonder they might be racist ?
@sillycandie007 1)I don't hear racist things from the GOP, but I hear MANY racist things from Lefties. 2)32 Blacks ran as Repubs in the 2010 election. 3)Did it ever occur to you that dictating to Blacks how to think and vote is racist? Did it ever occur to you that the Lefties are ALWAYS the ones who bring up race in every issue possible(health care, voter ID, taxation)?
@sillycandie007 cont... The reason Michael Steel lost favor w/the GOP was mismanagement of funds; not his skin color.
Of course you dismiss a person's merit for being Black by calling them tokens and dictate to Blacks how to think by calling them "Uncle Toms" for not agreeing w/u. The real racists are on the Left per the means that you just demonstrated.
@sillycandie007 The truth is that the real racists are on the Left and among the Dems. They dictate to Blacks and Latinos how to think and vote per their race and that is str8 up racism. They hold non-Whites to lower moral and intellectual standards via excusing crimes and they dismiss their merit per their race if they don't vote and think as they dictate them to do via calling them tokens. Real racists = the Left.
@Aegius my god your funny you should write for SNL the way you see the world its beyond reason,,if blacks an people of color can be fooled an tricked by whites are you saying there like new born babys that cant think for themself?
@sillycandie007 I did NOT say that Blacks can't think for themselves. I stated that Lefties dictate to Blacks how to think and vote per their race and that is racist. They stated that Blacks are to vote for the Dems and Dem policies and if they don't, then they are sell-outs, Uncle Toms, etc. That is dictating to them how to vote and think and that is racist.
& BTW, you're the funny one as you blame the GOP for the fall of Cain on the basis of a rumor and no evidence.
@sillycandie007 Blacks tricked by White Lefties? Apparently a majority of them actually think that requiring IDs or Driver's Licenses to vote is really an act of racism to stop non-Whites from voting, so yes, apparently most of them clearly are fooled by White Lefties. They just take their marching orders from the DNC w/o any independent thought at all. The NAACP will be going to the UN Human Rights Committee on voter ID laws. This is the funniest thing ever. cont...
@sillycandie007 cont... I won't be able to stop laughing when it happens. Syria, China, Cuba and Sudan will be lecturing us on human rights, b/c some of our states have decided to require an ID or Driver's License to vote. The saddest part is that most Blacks will be agreeing w/NAACP that favoring requiring ID/DLs to vote is racist. & Of course it will be used as an "example" of GOP racism(despite Dems in RI also enacted such laws and they apply to EVERYONE, not just Whites.).
Bill Whittle really changed his attitude toward the Lefty opponents in the MSM and elsewhere. No morals? Well, I'm increasingly having to agree w/him. They showed no morals in blaming the TP, talk radio, et al for that lunatic Jared Loughner. They showed no morals in their brutal and callous treatment of Black conservatives, calling names galore and seeking to humiliate and denigrate them. A Lefty w/morals? Where? Someone please show me.
@theylied1776 That was an opinion column. I was looking at the opinions. Frankly if Politico isn't Left-wing, then why did they publish this non-story to try to tarnish Cain's reputation and campaign? Yes, you did write on the allegations.
Frankly there is no story here. It's an utter joke. Gestures and inappropriate remarks. That's it. These women can go screw themselves. There is REAL SEXUAL HARASSMENT out there: extortion, threats, forcing oneself upon another person.
Democrats think black people are smart they would not look down upon them & give them lower standards for everything. Democrat policies say to blacks "We think you are not good enough & dumb". It is what George W Bush called "The soft bigotry of low expectations" Democrats have shown how bigoted they are, first Marco Rubio, now Herman Cain. The party of tolerance what a joke democrats!
Sorry Billy boy, Herman has made too many contradictory statements over this made up bull story for there not to be fire here. also, according to the Cain campaign this story was leaked by insiders in the Perry camp, not a Dem.
When did Politico become a non-republican slanting publication?
@theylied1776 Politico is a Left-wing leaning publication. Regarding these allegations 1)the women are anonymous 2)The allegations aren't clear. 3)There is no clear evidence presented yet. In other words there really is no story here. Cain denied that he sexually harassed these women. Well, the claims are dirty innuendo and gestures. That's it? Sorry, but that isn't sexual harassment as there is no clear threat, no abuse of power nor undue physical contact. It's all a big joke.
@Aegius Please tell me what exactly makes Politico "a left leaning publication"? 2nd. Herman Cains campaign claimed that the source for this attack is the Perry campaign, so take that up with him. 3rd. Where did I right that Cain is "Guilty" of any wrong doing in this matter. I wrote:" that there is fire here". because of his contradictions Cain has turned this into a bigger story than it should be. this more than anything else proves that Cain's not ready to handle prime time politics.
@theylied1776 I just visited the politico site and they had a column accusing the RIght-wing of voter suppression. Left-wing. Right = opposite of left. Write = the verb. I didn't say that Cain didn't accuse Perry of anything. I referred to the allegations only which are BS as they are at best gestures and remarks. Cain has been consistent in saying that he didn't sexually harass and frankly the public has yawned over it as there really isn't a story here. This story proves nothing. It's a joke.
@Aegius What is the header of the article where Politico "accuses" the right wing of voter suppression? Politico today, also has a very favorable article about Newt Gingrich in Iowa,G.O.P's balanced budget plan and Rick Santorum to talk moral values in Iowa. these trump your single "so called" single column.
"You" responded to my comments of: "there's fire here, and, Herman has made too many contradictory statements". I never originally wrote anything about the allegations.
Every GOP Candidate EXCEPT Mitt Romney? Sorry guys, I'm a NewsNut and Romney is copping it in the neck too. They are still digging up even the Dog on the Roof Story! Jeeez. and I'm a Perry Supporter!
I'm glad that you Trifecta Gentlemen have not made up your minds already. I'm sure the DNC and Barack Obama have no interest what so ever in stirring up venom and causing friction between the GOP Candidates. I just saw a Pig flying by my window. sigh.
I seem to remember when another Great Hope was elected - He hasn't finished screwing the Country over yet.
Liberals are so funny. Always cracking the other guys for what they figure is evil, then not seeing it on their own people. And usually, when they blame non-libs, it's crap... muck-raking. Typical loser material.
I think Dubya stopped at snorting, but I could be wrong. Obama was a free basing fiend.
And I am sure that you know that Obama has a fraudulent social security number. The birthers never should have went after the bastard's birth certificate. He is clearly not qualified to be President under the 14th Amendment, but our liberal courts say otherwise. It is obvious that his family played games with his citizenship status for his benefit.
How is Cain a threat to the Republican establishment? It's true that he's an outsider, but his policies are pretty much in lockstep with mainstream GOP.
Bill Clinton was getiing blow jobs in the oval office and the liberals were defending him. Never mind that she was a young intern working at the white house, and he was POTUS. Now all the sudden all the liberals are outraged about a claim that we don't even know the details.
@UtherPendragan That would be shocking if any liberals were actually outraged... We don't really care. Personally, we think that Obama would do pretty well in a debate against a man who wants to raise taxes on most Americans and who doesn't know China has had nuclear weapons for over forty years...
Cain would raise taxes on the 47% that don't pay their fair share - meaning that they pay nothing. Of course, Obama would force almost 1/3 of them to pay something by eliminating the Bush tax cuts, dumb ass.
Obama does not know that Keynesian economics does not work, in spite of running $1.5 TRILLION annual deficits for almost 3 years without any job growth. He is good at giving speeches, but in a debate his "uh, uh, uh, uh, uh" would become obvious. He is toast.
Cain already admitted that there were two women, one of which filed a harassment suit against the American Restaurants Association in his name. He claims that there was no sexual advances made, but we won't know what the other side of the story is until the two women break their non-disclosure agreements. We will know soon enough.
The media will jump back on Romney when he is the front runner again. In 2008 a movie was put out about mass murdering cannibalistic Mormons. Hollywood always tries
Look at the history so far. His poll numbers have not wavered til they fell insignificantly recently with Cain's gain in the polls as this non-story unravels.
Romney's number has been virtually 25% since the start. No more, no less. The other candidates trade supporters but Romney has already aggregated all the supporters he will ever see. 3/4 of the registered R voters want someone else.
@maskedphrogg Romney continues to win every debate and the flavor of the month candidate has risen and fallen and Romney stays right where he started, at the top. He will still be there when Herman Cain's accuser comes out and makes her statement. Make no mistake, this is nothing like the Justice Thomas smear. Cain's accuser was paid off for her complaint which gives it some legitimacy. Cain and his campaign manager have botched this up, which sheds light on Cain's personnel judgment.
@miturbinesdurti In the Justice Thomas smear we knew who the accuser was: Anita Hill. We knew what the accusations were: stupid remarks and talk of porn films. & we know what the evidence was: nothing. None of that applies here as we don't know who the accusers are, what they are accusing him of specifically and what evidence there is. Sorry, but an out of court settlement doesn't demonstrate evidence nor legitimacy. This is just like the smear against Thomas as dirt galore is being sought..cont
@Aegius Cain's accuser has yet to make a public statement. There was a non-disclosure agreement made when the two females were paid off by the American Restaurant Association settled with them over their sexual harassement suits naming Cain. Since Cain has commented on the two cases the women now feel they have the right to comment as well and their attorneys are fighting for that. This is for real and their will be a book deal to follow their press conferences. This is no fairy tale.
@maskedphrogg The story of the hand at his chin is in fact details of the accustations that were made.
The list of accusers is now up to 5. This is nothing like the Justice Thomas smear which was one female. This is becoming more like Arnold the Governator or BJ Clinton. They are starting to come out of the woodwork. There cannot be so many accusers for a man who treats women appropriately. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Half of Cain's accusers are unwilling ... scratch that. Only one anonymous accuser left. The formerly anonymous accuser we have just found out today works for the ( wait for it ) Justice Dept. But swears up and down hers was not a political appointment and her renewed accusations are not politically based despite being found baseless at the time of her separation from the NRA.
Sure, the stories sound familiar. But you and the media have yet to find credibility for them.
@miturbinesdurti This is just like the Thomas smear as dirt galore is being sought and even the most trivial of crap is being used to attempt to smear the person involved. This is really crap. Gestures and remarks? It's pathetic and trivial. I have a female relative who endured her boss putting her hands down her pants. That's real sexual harassment. This is utter garbage.
Herman isn't winning. Ron Paul is winning. Not that anyone in the media would ever report the truth.
Search on Wikipedia; Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012
Ron Paul has the most 1st place wins; 12 / 34
Ron Paul has the most votes in total; 10,255 / 44,132
Also, lol@ calling out politico for trying to "take someone down" and @you "fact checking". You do realize they gave Herman's camp 10 days to make a response privately and prepare for the coming story?
@sillycandie007 Yeah... Stop smokin weed. It's clouding your judgement. How is it that any Black person that isn't racist, that IS successful, that doesn't feel welfare or rap music, & pro athletics is the extent of black achievement , is always considered uncle toms? That's stupid.
I think the left wants the Mccains and the Rommeys of the republican party so nothing really changes, and my evidence for that thinking is Nancy Pelosi said she missed the old gop that did nothing so election results did not matter.
Can you imagine an anti-Semite wanting a Jew to be president? But the press is saying that we want a Black president to hide our racism. Wow, the lengths we'll go to hide our racism.
This reminds me of when these lowlifes publicly humiliated Clarence Thomas. The Left will go to ANY lengths to win, whether it's saying that Republicans would like to see Blacks hanging from trees or saying that Sarah Palin's son was a product of incest. These are the scum of the Earth.
I really like Cain and his messages. But I was told that I would be racist for supporting him...so I guess it's back to voting for some white guy for me. There. I feel "not so racist clean" now.
Bill, you stole my own thoughts on the Romney analysis would the media ignoring him. Once he becomes the nominee, all hell were break loose against him by the media.
My very first thought about which campaign was behind the leak of these allegations against Herman Cain was that it was from Obama's campaign but I agree now that it most likely Romney's campaign. Ron Paul fans, no offense, but I believe Barrack Obama is most threatened by Herman Cain, not because Ron Paul & others are not conservatives but because Herman Cain takes away Barrack Obama's precious race card. Don't kid yourself, if Ron Paul is the nominee, liberals will accuse him of racism.
HERMAN CAIN DEFINITELY DIDNT DO ANYTHING BAD. HE IS AWESOME AND SO FUNNY. 999 RULES AND WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. 999 IS THE BEST. THAT BITCH IS A WHORE LIKE UR MOM. CAIN TRAIN 2012!
Don't protect the OLM (old, Leftist Media) from itself. Just let it die. And question, question, question their Leftist premises, and their reason for existence, whenever possible. The ugly media dragon is dying, and it needs a little help from us to speed it up.
@L People make false claims all the time because they know it generally is an easy way to make money especially in a corporate enviroment. They know that once they make the claim the company must respond and will either fight it costing lots of money or decide to settle generally costing much less then fighting it, they can't ignore it. The laws favors those who make these types of claims and rewards them. These employees need to come out and explain what happened or its all just BULLSHIT.
@maskedphrogg No, a settlement is evidence that a corporation with their lawyers stepped in to protect a powerful person and pay off to a powerless person was made to shut them up.
The powerless person because they are powerless took the payoff.
You're for protecting the powerful. Nice. They do need lots of protection. Don't they?
Would you rather the powerless have no recourse at all? Probably? Correct?
@Lombokstrait1 Wrong. There is cost to consider. It is often far less costly in terms of the cost of the judicial process and the lost opportunity being far more than an out of court settlement. Paying the accusers off may be a much cheaper route, so that is why it is taken. It has nothing to do w/ liable vs not liable or guilty vs not guilty. It's about cost.
@Aegius It may be a cheaper route. I didn't say it wasn't. The corporation seeks the most efficient and expediant way to move aside these disputes. But it doesn't change the fact that it is to protect their leadership (powerful executives) and protect the corporation itself.
So they pay off the weak. The weak take it becuae they are weak. Get it.
Once again would you rather there be no recourse for the weak?
@Lombokstrait1 What I want is justice. If the "weak" are wrong, then they are wrong. If a poor person murders a rich person, I want that poor person sent to the electric chair.
The point is that an out of court settlement proves nothing regarding culpability as it may pertain to cost. There were out of court settlements here and they prove nothing regarding culpability. Besides remarks and gestures aren't an abuse of power.
@Aegius But the rich want to pay them off that's why they have created this settlement process. They don't want exposure to justice so the hide it with the payoff.
And you expose your ignorance to life in general when you say: "Besides remarks and gestures aren't an abuse of power."
You're a pawn. Plain and simple. A deceived minion for the powerful. They control you and you dig it.
@Lombokstrait1 Again which is often less costly: the out of court settlement or the long judicial process to prove the lack of liability or guilt? Answer: Frequently the former, so it is better from a business standpoint to go to the former of the out of court settlement. Here is a lesson in business: Opportunity cost. When going to the judicial process of $100Ks or $millions, that is money that could have been used for expanding or maintaining the business rather than deal w/the courts.
@Lombokstrait1 We don't know if there is less exposure to justice or now, b/c we don't know what evidence there is or what the claims are.
WE have been told of gestures and remarks. Well, I don't care about gestures and remarks, so these ladies can go screw themselves. If they can't handle a man eating a banana or a carrot, screw them. If they can't handle, "that's a nice dress, dear", screw them.
@Aegius But that's how the rich and powerful want it. Right? It's their lawyers saying just pay them off. Do you want justice or not?
"Well, I don't care about gestures and remarks" lol, ok good, go fuck yourself then. And I'm making a gesture right now about fucking your Mom. But that's ok right? And when your boss or a co-worker does it that's ok right?
I hope you're subjugated by those who have power over you ASAP so you can grow from the experience.
@Lombokstrait1 "And I'm making a gesture right now about fucking your Mom." YAWN. It's inappropriate, but I won't fuss over it. Same w/the co-workers. We aren't children. We're adults.
"Do you want justice or not?" Without knowing the nature of the evidence it is impossible to know if justice would be served at the courts or not. That's why we don't know if the defense is liable or guilty. We just know that a less costly route was taken.
@Lombokstrait1 Maybe if I caught you eating a carrot or a banana, I should take you to court for sexual harassment. Maybe if I caught you discussing a movie with someone else, then I should decry sexual harassment.
Would you call "that's a nice dress, dear" sexual harassment?
@Aegius It depends how you said it. Or how you ate the banana or how you ate the carrot.
Bottom line. Are there draw backs to empowering those to claim sexual harassment? Yes. But is it worth checking those that are in positions of power? Yes.
And I'm glad you can't stop it. Thank the Lord.
Now go suck you bosses cock. I bet you would like it.
@Lombokstrait1 "It depends how you said it. Or how you ate the banana or how you ate the carrot." Like I said, no limits on what is and is not sexual harassment for you. & this is why everyone is tense and stilted in the workplace: fear of lawsuits esp sexual harassment lawsuits.
@Lombokstrait1 I don't care about silly remarks like "What color is your underwear" or gestures like eating a banana. If a woman can't handle that, grow up. I have utter contempt for these women as there is very real sexual harassment as occurred to my female relative who endured her boss putting his hands down her pants. & You fuss over stupid remarks and gestures. It's ridiculous. Would you sympathize w/these women over "That's a nice dress that you're wearing"?
@Lombokstrait1 Remarks and gestures don't indicate a clear and present danger or a threat and they certainly don't demonstrate violence. Humiliation? If you consider yourself humiliated by gestures and remarks, then you are a very weak person indeed & screw you for whining. Intimidation involves threats so no there may be no such thing regarding gestures and remarks.
If it is something serious like "take off your clothes or you're fired", then the courts should be available for that. cont...
@Aegius Don't demonstrate violence? I don't know, gesture and remarks... that is very broad. So I think you're wrong... again. And no, intimidation can involve a lot more than just threats. Man, you are dense! LOL
I'm glad you are powerless to stop the weak from fighting back. LOL.
@Lombokstrait1 Look, you just want to complain for the sake of complaining. That's why ppl can't be playful and tell jokes in the work place. B/c of ppl like you: complain, complain, complain.
If these women stated that Cain complimented them on their dresses, you would complain and call that sexual harassment. Heck, you have no limits as to what is sexual harassment, b/c for you this is about rich vs poor and not right vs wrong.
@Lombokstrait1 I almost never compliment anyone on anything at work. I almost never tell jokes at work. The same applies to most other ppl as everyone is scare of being accused of sexual harassment, b/c your views dominate. Thanks for turning the workplace into a hostile and scary environment in the name of avoiding the workplace from becoming a hostile and scary environment.
@Aegius A lawsuit or a threat of a lawsuit is a gesture. You have been initimidated by the threat of a gesture not even the gesture itself!!!! what a joke!!!
You've contradicted youself.
I'm glad you are oppressed so others don't have to be. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. LOL!!!
@Lombokstrait1 Look, you actually think that eating a carrot or banana may be grounds for sexual harassment. You actually believe that complimenting a woman on her dress may be sexual harassment. Okay. That is the world you created & now everyone is afraid of making compliments, eating w/only 1 other person, making jokes and other activities. Many ppl are sure that there is always 2+ other ppl present and never alone w/another person. That's the world that you want. Thanks for letting me know,
@Lombokstrait1 How to avoid sexual harassment complaints: No jokes, no compliments, no interactions with others unless there are 3+ ppl present, and eat by yourself. Oh and everything should be written down. No talking either.
We should also have cameras everywhere except in bathrooms and microphones as well. That way alll conversations and interactions can be recorded to ensure whether or not sexual harassment took place.
@Lombokstrait1 For me this is about right vs wrong. For you this is about powerful vs. "powerless". If Cain committed wrong by threats, extortion or physical force, then I would condemn Cain. None of that applies here as it is solely about remarks and gestures, so yawn. Frankly for you if he was eating a banana or carrot, you would complain, so there is no limit for you on it. So yawn. Cain is the "powerful", so that makes him the bad person automatically and his opponents the good automatically
@Lombokstrait1 Tawana Brawley. Crystal Gail Mangum. Ever heard of those names? They are both women who LIED about being raped. That latter claimed that the Duke Blue Devils men's lacrosse team gang raped her. It was an utter lie. A U.S. Air Force study, “The False Rape Allegation in the Military Community (1983) investigated 556 cases of alleged rape, and found a 60% rate of false accusations. It's quite possible that Sharon Bialek is the real liar here.
@Lombokstrait1 cont... However if it is something like "that's a nice dress, dear" or eating a banana, the courts have no place there. The courts aren't there to treat us like overgrown children. They are there to deal with real harm and real threats and real dangers. Not crap like eating a banana or a carrot.
@Aegius Right, but if I was your boss and you couldn't do anything about it. Wouldn't that humiliate you? and even intimidate you... because you had (have) no power?
That's funny. You now want to profess that an "idiot" brought both Burger King and Godfather's Pizza from the brink of bankruptcy back to profitable businesses.
Are you familiar with the term "delusional?"
Just look in the mirror.
If Cain is such a rampant sexual predator, how come all the accusers date their assaults back 15 and more yrs ago? Why are there no more recent examples?
Here's a clue: The accusers are lying or misrepresenting
Now go back to sleep. Teacher wasn't lying. You don't need to be smart to win debates. No need to dazzle anyone with brilliance. Just baffle them with loads of horse manure.
All the parties concerned have non-disclosure of the facts of the incident as part of the agreement.
The woman, only one person got a settlement payout, is under contractual agreement to say nothing specific about the settlement. Agreements such as this are contracts with specific terms of expected actions and behaviour by signatories.
The other two are subject to public ridicule for making baseless claims. I don't see them crawling out of the woodwork any time soon.
@Duckeieio Hahah!Exactly man.I saw the AP repport on the case and he is already showing little contradictions,i don`t see him as any kind of sexist but if you run ,midia will dig.
How about we forget about this CAIN fella, he was only the head of the FEDERAL RESERVE in some midwestern state. This CAIN guy is a major establishment player. He won't do any of us any good. He is part of the problem. Pretty much like every nominee we have to choose from. Ron Paul is the only guy who is worth voting for. Even though he is a mason, he is the best of the worst.
Well since Republican candidates are required to live up to a higher standar, we have to let Cain go now. We have no choice. He did everthing Politico said he did, then he tried to lie about it...You all know me and my leanings, Cain's toast. We cant nominate him. Just like the Democrats cut Edwards loose, we have to cut him loose.
Herman Cain is being smeared just like Judge Thomas was and the same goes for Judge Bork, The more I listen to what Mr. Cain as to say the more I like, He would make a fine President. And yea he is a real threat so that is why this is being done, But in this age of the Internet, I don't think this is going to fly with the only ones that count, The Voters!
Then I'm not surprised you are so clueless when it comes to the current relationship btwn authors and the Fed Courts.
Judith Miller was and is a writer for the NY Times. She was jailed at the time she was held in contempt of Court for not revealing her sources for a story she wrote for the NYT about Valerie Plame's husband Joseph Wilson. Both were or had been FedGov employees at the time of the story. Valerie was a covert agent for the CIA and Jo Wilson a former US Diplomat in Africa.
You claimed the "courts are inclined to protect the press"
I brought forward a relatively recent example that exemplifies that such a view is invalid.
The Courts tend to protect the gov that employs them and have no problem denying basic civil rights to members of the Press irregardless of the explicit protections outlined in the US Constitution.
All Politico reported is that there appears to have been claims of harassment made regarding behaviour exhibited by Herman Cain when he was the Chairman of the Nat Restaurant Assoc. They made no specific claim and so haven't actually libeled or slandered Cain, yet.
That's why this isn't a story or controversy. No one has said anything of substance.
@maskedphrogg they made an allegation suggesting that Cain had sexually assaulted two women, that is all it take to damage a reputation in this day and age. it should be considered libel if it is not true! if they can produce no evidence that their claim is true they should be sued for libel.
@337noname Often times it is cheaper to settle out of court then to go to court, many settlement cases have confidentiality agreement so he might not be legally allowed to talk about the case details. given that he is a republican I'm more inclined to believe that this is a witch hunt like the justice Clarence Tomas case. and not a true allegation like the Clinton Affairs and the Lewinsky cum stained dress or John Edwards cheating on his cancer stricken wife now their are some real douche bags.
Herman Cain was not a party to the payouts made to two women who allegedly made some unspecified accusations that were directed at Cain. As a man of integrity he turned the matter over to other members of the Board and it's legal team. He recognized his obvious conflict of interest. Though Chairman at the time he was properly not a party to the eventual resolutions.
That's how Cain wants to spin it. I try to look beyond a politicians spin and at the facts.
Fact - Cain was accuse by two different people of sexual harassment. Fact - both charges of sexual harassment had enough merit to bring a settlement which Cain signed off on. Fact - Cain at first denied it, then admitted it. Fact - the last fact shows a real lack of integrity by Cain.
Wrong. That is what happened. NRA has disclosed some information. No one has disclosed any substance of what accusations were made. Politico created innuendo that the accusations were in some way related to charges of sexual harassment, but no one as yet has stepped forward to confirm or give any details about the charges. Cain and the women who made charges are bound by legal agreements to not disclose these details. So it's obvious you are making hay with no straw at hand.
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-- ROMNEY'S 2012 PLAN CUTS MEDICARE--Ron Paul’s plan cuts $1 trillion the first year & balances the budget in 3 years. The plan cuts spending by ending the costly foreign wars, and cuts foreign welfare, corporate welfare, and overgrown federal bureaucracy. These cuts are made so that those who are dependent on domestic spending programs such as Medicare aren’t endangered through a sudden change in benefits. Romney’s plan cuts Medicare, on which many elderly Americans rely.
vechorik 3 months ago
Dick Morris put it best:
"WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR, READ, OR SEE MORE ABOUT THIS STUPID STORY — GO AWAY!"
There is nothing to this joke of a so-called story. Sharon Bialek, GO HOME. To the other 3 women, GO HOME!
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius herman cant force sex on white women in am a leader of the teaparty an nigga s dont rape white women its not cool uncle toms should know there place
sillycandie007 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 It's difficult to understand what you are stating. Cain didn't rape any woman including any Caucasian woman. Bialek claimed that she was unduly touched, but she never pursued her claim after the alleged incident occured and then 14 years later says something. Besides she has a reputation as a gold-digger. David Axelrod was her lawyer. Karen Krushaar, the other Caucasian woman is the a communications director at the Treasury Department's office. cont...
Aegius 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 cont... It seems that the Obama admin may have been behind it. It doesn't matter now, b/c Cain left the race esp after he poorly handled the situation. He should have DEMANDED proof of these women and that they divulge their stories and identities. He didn't and screwed up by blaming Gov Perry.
Hence Cain is now irrelevant, so why bother with this further anyway? It's too bad. I wanted the Dems to expose their racism and Cain would have ensured that.
Aegius 1 month ago
@Aegius your in the dark with the facts cain was only in the GOP as a token to be run out of the race by the racist GOP it was plan by the racist GOP do you really think they ever let a uncle tom ass nigga that hated his own race to be leader of the GOP
look what Rush did to micheal steele made uncle tom out him an put him on his knees
sillycandie007 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 The evidence points to the Obama admin regarding Cain's downfall as stated.(David Axelrod, Karen Krushaar as Communications Dir of Dept of Treasury). There is no evidence of the GOP being behind Cain's downfall. Rush didn't make Michael Steele an Uncle Tom.
& Frankly, thanks for using the term, "Token". There is a term for dismissing a person's merit per that person's race: Racist. The real racist here isn't the GOP ppl; it's you. Thanks for now admitting it.
Aegius 1 month ago
@Aegius i have a question when you look at the GOP an hear them say racist things an you dont see any blacks in the GOP dont you ever wonder they might be racist ?
sillycandie007 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 1)I don't hear racist things from the GOP, but I hear MANY racist things from Lefties. 2)32 Blacks ran as Repubs in the 2010 election. 3)Did it ever occur to you that dictating to Blacks how to think and vote is racist? Did it ever occur to you that the Lefties are ALWAYS the ones who bring up race in every issue possible(health care, voter ID, taxation)?
Aegius 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 cont... The reason Michael Steel lost favor w/the GOP was mismanagement of funds; not his skin color.
Of course you dismiss a person's merit for being Black by calling them tokens and dictate to Blacks how to think by calling them "Uncle Toms" for not agreeing w/u. The real racists are on the Left per the means that you just demonstrated.
Aegius 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 The truth is that the real racists are on the Left and among the Dems. They dictate to Blacks and Latinos how to think and vote per their race and that is str8 up racism. They hold non-Whites to lower moral and intellectual standards via excusing crimes and they dismiss their merit per their race if they don't vote and think as they dictate them to do via calling them tokens. Real racists = the Left.
Aegius 1 month ago
@Aegius my god your funny you should write for SNL the way you see the world its beyond reason,,if blacks an people of color can be fooled an tricked by whites are you saying there like new born babys that cant think for themself?
sillycandie007 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 I did NOT say that Blacks can't think for themselves. I stated that Lefties dictate to Blacks how to think and vote per their race and that is racist. They stated that Blacks are to vote for the Dems and Dem policies and if they don't, then they are sell-outs, Uncle Toms, etc. That is dictating to them how to vote and think and that is racist.
& BTW, you're the funny one as you blame the GOP for the fall of Cain on the basis of a rumor and no evidence.
Aegius 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 Blacks tricked by White Lefties? Apparently a majority of them actually think that requiring IDs or Driver's Licenses to vote is really an act of racism to stop non-Whites from voting, so yes, apparently most of them clearly are fooled by White Lefties. They just take their marching orders from the DNC w/o any independent thought at all. The NAACP will be going to the UN Human Rights Committee on voter ID laws. This is the funniest thing ever. cont...
Aegius 1 month ago
@sillycandie007 cont... I won't be able to stop laughing when it happens. Syria, China, Cuba and Sudan will be lecturing us on human rights, b/c some of our states have decided to require an ID or Driver's License to vote. The saddest part is that most Blacks will be agreeing w/NAACP that favoring requiring ID/DLs to vote is racist. & Of course it will be used as an "example" of GOP racism(despite Dems in RI also enacted such laws and they apply to EVERYONE, not just Whites.).
Aegius 1 month ago
Bill Whittle really changed his attitude toward the Lefty opponents in the MSM and elsewhere. No morals? Well, I'm increasingly having to agree w/him. They showed no morals in blaming the TP, talk radio, et al for that lunatic Jared Loughner. They showed no morals in their brutal and callous treatment of Black conservatives, calling names galore and seeking to humiliate and denigrate them. A Lefty w/morals? Where? Someone please show me.
Aegius 3 months ago
@theylied1776 That was an opinion column. I was looking at the opinions. Frankly if Politico isn't Left-wing, then why did they publish this non-story to try to tarnish Cain's reputation and campaign? Yes, you did write on the allegations.
Frankly there is no story here. It's an utter joke. Gestures and inappropriate remarks. That's it. These women can go screw themselves. There is REAL SEXUAL HARASSMENT out there: extortion, threats, forcing oneself upon another person.
Aegius 3 months ago
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Democrats think black people are smart they would not look down upon them & give them lower standards for everything. Democrat policies say to blacks "We think you are not good enough & dumb". It is what George W Bush called "The soft bigotry of low expectations" Democrats have shown how bigoted they are, first Marco Rubio, now Herman Cain. The party of tolerance what a joke democrats!
BlackRepublican2010 3 months ago
Herman Cain was ask about two sexual harassment lawsuits he was involved in. He was not accuse of anything. Everyone knows that but this three dudes.
337noname 3 months ago
@337noname Have you allways been this smart?
walt7500 3 months ago
Nice backhanded compliment to the fabulous Andrew Breitbart.
Whatsamatta fellas?
Jealous of Andrew's insider connections to Lee Stranahan?
Naw, that can't be it. Lee is just another independent filmmaker who ran screaming from the Lib camp at HuffPo
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
Sorry Billy boy, Herman has made too many contradictory statements over this made up bull story for there not to be fire here. also, according to the Cain campaign this story was leaked by insiders in the Perry camp, not a Dem.
When did Politico become a non-republican slanting publication?
theylied1776 3 months ago
@theylied1776 Politico is a Left-wing leaning publication. Regarding these allegations 1)the women are anonymous 2)The allegations aren't clear. 3)There is no clear evidence presented yet. In other words there really is no story here. Cain denied that he sexually harassed these women. Well, the claims are dirty innuendo and gestures. That's it? Sorry, but that isn't sexual harassment as there is no clear threat, no abuse of power nor undue physical contact. It's all a big joke.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Please tell me what exactly makes Politico "a left leaning publication"? 2nd. Herman Cains campaign claimed that the source for this attack is the Perry campaign, so take that up with him. 3rd. Where did I right that Cain is "Guilty" of any wrong doing in this matter. I wrote:" that there is fire here". because of his contradictions Cain has turned this into a bigger story than it should be. this more than anything else proves that Cain's not ready to handle prime time politics.
theylied1776 3 months ago
@theylied1776 I just visited the politico site and they had a column accusing the RIght-wing of voter suppression. Left-wing. Right = opposite of left. Write = the verb. I didn't say that Cain didn't accuse Perry of anything. I referred to the allegations only which are BS as they are at best gestures and remarks. Cain has been consistent in saying that he didn't sexually harass and frankly the public has yawned over it as there really isn't a story here. This story proves nothing. It's a joke.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius What is the header of the article where Politico "accuses" the right wing of voter suppression? Politico today, also has a very favorable article about Newt Gingrich in Iowa,G.O.P's balanced budget plan and Rick Santorum to talk moral values in Iowa. these trump your single "so called" single column.
"You" responded to my comments of: "there's fire here, and, Herman has made too many contradictory statements". I never originally wrote anything about the allegations.
theylied1776 3 months ago
Trekkies! I love it!
weavdog12 3 months ago
Every GOP Candidate EXCEPT Mitt Romney? Sorry guys, I'm a NewsNut and Romney is copping it in the neck too. They are still digging up even the Dog on the Roof Story! Jeeez. and I'm a Perry Supporter!
red5llaw 3 months ago
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red5llaw 3 months ago
I'm glad that you Trifecta Gentlemen have not made up your minds already. I'm sure the DNC and Barack Obama have no interest what so ever in stirring up venom and causing friction between the GOP Candidates. I just saw a Pig flying by my window. sigh.
I seem to remember when another Great Hope was elected - He hasn't finished screwing the Country over yet.
red5llaw 3 months ago
All these Gentlemen are great but Bill Whittle is Awesome.
U2XM202 3 months ago
Kobayashi Maru? Wow, a Star Trek reference...win!
joecoolmccall 3 months ago
Liberals are so funny. Always cracking the other guys for what they figure is evil, then not seeing it on their own people. And usually, when they blame non-libs, it's crap... muck-raking. Typical loser material.
MrSigung86 3 months ago
Infidelity is actually pretty high on my list of things I associate with the term "Baptist Minister." Just sayin'.
CountArtha 3 months ago
Politico... Un named women... Coming out as soon as he's winning... Seems legit -.-
hooplablahblahblah 3 months ago
Bill clinton never secually harassed monica. Monica wanted to suck it. But this uncle tom ass nigga herman cain is done.
bigticket51 3 months ago
@bigticket51 Wow. You're incredibaly delisional.
hooplablahblahblah 3 months ago
@bigticket51
Billy got in trouble over Paula Jones, my friend. Uncle Tom? What do you call the haffaa-crackaa in the White House?
Cain obviously does not have a problem, unlike the crack smokin' President with a fake social security card.
666sigma 3 months ago
@666sigma You are saying that Bush had a fake Social Security card, son?
masercot 3 months ago
@666sigma
I think Dubya stopped at snorting, but I could be wrong. Obama was a free basing fiend.
And I am sure that you know that Obama has a fraudulent social security number. The birthers never should have went after the bastard's birth certificate. He is clearly not qualified to be President under the 14th Amendment, but our liberal courts say otherwise. It is obvious that his family played games with his citizenship status for his benefit.
Rubio is not qualified, either.
666sigma 3 months ago
How is Cain a threat to the Republican establishment? It's true that he's an outsider, but his policies are pretty much in lockstep with mainstream GOP.
shamgar001 3 months ago
Bill Clinton was getiing blow jobs in the oval office and the liberals were defending him. Never mind that she was a young intern working at the white house, and he was POTUS. Now all the sudden all the liberals are outraged about a claim that we don't even know the details.
UtherPendragan 3 months ago
@UtherPendragan That would be shocking if any liberals were actually outraged... We don't really care. Personally, we think that Obama would do pretty well in a debate against a man who wants to raise taxes on most Americans and who doesn't know China has had nuclear weapons for over forty years...
masercot 3 months ago
@masercot
Cain would raise taxes on the 47% that don't pay their fair share - meaning that they pay nothing. Of course, Obama would force almost 1/3 of them to pay something by eliminating the Bush tax cuts, dumb ass.
Obama does not know that Keynesian economics does not work, in spite of running $1.5 TRILLION annual deficits for almost 3 years without any job growth. He is good at giving speeches, but in a debate his "uh, uh, uh, uh, uh" would become obvious. He is toast.
666sigma 3 months ago
@666sigma Read Wealth of Nations, by Adam Smith if you want an education in how valuable those people are.
And, they do pay taxes, dummy...just not one kind of tax...
masercot 3 months ago
@masercot
I own the book, dumb ass. My guess is that you never read it or understood it.
666sigma 3 months ago
@666sigma A lot of people own books, son. Try reading it...particularly the part on capitalism's need for an underclass in order to function.
Good luck...
masercot 3 months ago
@masercot
That's not capitalism illiterate one. That's elitism.
Capitalism requires only natural resources, a functioning mind and body, and a market setting for voluntary trade.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
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@maskedphrogg I guess you never read the book either...
masercot 3 months ago
@masercot
You do a lot of guessing.
In the future you might try a little thinking.
But don't take on too much the first time.
Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg And, another neocon hits the road, tail betwixt his legs...
masercot 3 months ago
@masercot
You're a neo-con?
Who knew!
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Clever, son...
Anything substantial? Didn't think so. To the kiddie pool with ya!
masercot 3 months ago
Cain already admitted that there were two women, one of which filed a harassment suit against the American Restaurants Association in his name. He claims that there was no sexual advances made, but we won't know what the other side of the story is until the two women break their non-disclosure agreements. We will know soon enough.
The media will jump back on Romney when he is the front runner again. In 2008 a movie was put out about mass murdering cannibalistic Mormons. Hollywood always tries
miturbinesdurti 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti
Romney won't ever be a legitimate front runner.
Look at the history so far. His poll numbers have not wavered til they fell insignificantly recently with Cain's gain in the polls as this non-story unravels.
Romney's number has been virtually 25% since the start. No more, no less. The other candidates trade supporters but Romney has already aggregated all the supporters he will ever see. 3/4 of the registered R voters want someone else.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Romney continues to win every debate and the flavor of the month candidate has risen and fallen and Romney stays right where he started, at the top. He will still be there when Herman Cain's accuser comes out and makes her statement. Make no mistake, this is nothing like the Justice Thomas smear. Cain's accuser was paid off for her complaint which gives it some legitimacy. Cain and his campaign manager have botched this up, which sheds light on Cain's personnel judgment.
miturbinesdurti 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti In the Justice Thomas smear we knew who the accuser was: Anita Hill. We knew what the accusations were: stupid remarks and talk of porn films. & we know what the evidence was: nothing. None of that applies here as we don't know who the accusers are, what they are accusing him of specifically and what evidence there is. Sorry, but an out of court settlement doesn't demonstrate evidence nor legitimacy. This is just like the smear against Thomas as dirt galore is being sought..cont
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Cain's accuser has yet to make a public statement. There was a non-disclosure agreement made when the two females were paid off by the American Restaurant Association settled with them over their sexual harassement suits naming Cain. Since Cain has commented on the two cases the women now feel they have the right to comment as well and their attorneys are fighting for that. This is for real and their will be a book deal to follow their press conferences. This is no fairy tale.
miturbinesdurti 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti
The agreements were with the NRA (National Restaurant Assoc) not Herman Cain.
Cain has neither revealed the identity of the accusers nor any details of the accusations that were made.
His story of the hand at his chin is what actually happened, not necessarily the accusation made.
If you aren't willing to deal with the facts in this matter then realize your comments are irrelevant as well as forwarding invalid conclusions.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg The story of the hand at his chin is in fact details of the accustations that were made.
The list of accusers is now up to 5. This is nothing like the Justice Thomas smear which was one female. This is becoming more like Arnold the Governator or BJ Clinton. They are starting to come out of the woodwork. There cannot be so many accusers for a man who treats women appropriately. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
miturbinesdurti 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti
Hardly.
Half of Cain's accusers are unwilling ... scratch that. Only one anonymous accuser left. The formerly anonymous accuser we have just found out today works for the ( wait for it ) Justice Dept. But swears up and down hers was not a political appointment and her renewed accusations are not politically based despite being found baseless at the time of her separation from the NRA.
Sure, the stories sound familiar. But you and the media have yet to find credibility for them.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti This is just like the Thomas smear as dirt galore is being sought and even the most trivial of crap is being used to attempt to smear the person involved. This is really crap. Gestures and remarks? It's pathetic and trivial. I have a female relative who endured her boss putting her hands down her pants. That's real sexual harassment. This is utter garbage.
Aegius 3 months ago
@miturbinesdurti
tnx, that was funny. Moreso because I believe you to be sincere.
Cain neither hired nor fired/dismissed the women in question.
That was a function of the Board that Cain Chaired, and also removed himself from for the purposes of these incidents being reviewed and resolved.
Don't let reality smack you in the mouth so hard next time.
Pay attention.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
Herman isn't winning. Ron Paul is winning. Not that anyone in the media would ever report the truth.
Search on Wikipedia; Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012
Ron Paul has the most 1st place wins; 12 / 34
Ron Paul has the most votes in total; 10,255 / 44,132
Also, lol@ calling out politico for trying to "take someone down" and @you "fact checking". You do realize they gave Herman's camp 10 days to make a response privately and prepare for the coming story?
Theobrothers 3 months ago
Ah, Politico's just a bunch of raaaaaacccciiiisssssts!
MagnusPrime01 3 months ago
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@MagnusPrime01 Politico is fair keep in mind herman is a uncle tom an obama is a real man
herman would suck a redneck dick just to please racist assholes
sillycandie007 3 months ago
@sillycandie007 Yeah... Stop smokin weed. It's clouding your judgement. How is it that any Black person that isn't racist, that IS successful, that doesn't feel welfare or rap music, & pro athletics is the extent of black achievement , is always considered uncle toms? That's stupid.
lockdown260 3 months ago 2
@sillycandie007 We don't need any more evidence of the racist inclinations of those on the left, nevertheless, feel free to expose your intent...
mrcombi 3 months ago
I think the left wants the Mccains and the Rommeys of the republican party so nothing really changes, and my evidence for that thinking is Nancy Pelosi said she missed the old gop that did nothing so election results did not matter.
IamRayson 3 months ago
Can you imagine an anti-Semite wanting a Jew to be president? But the press is saying that we want a Black president to hide our racism. Wow, the lengths we'll go to hide our racism.
This reminds me of when these lowlifes publicly humiliated Clarence Thomas. The Left will go to ANY lengths to win, whether it's saying that Republicans would like to see Blacks hanging from trees or saying that Sarah Palin's son was a product of incest. These are the scum of the Earth.
koyunbaba73 3 months ago 2
Now i have 14 trillion and 1 reasons to vote for Ron Paul
kevlarunderware 3 months ago
I really like Cain and his messages. But I was told that I would be racist for supporting him...so I guess it's back to voting for some white guy for me. There. I feel "not so racist clean" now.
theothertoolbox 3 months ago
Bill, you stole my own thoughts on the Romney analysis would the media ignoring him. Once he becomes the nominee, all hell were break loose against him by the media.
Numguk 3 months ago
My very first thought about which campaign was behind the leak of these allegations against Herman Cain was that it was from Obama's campaign but I agree now that it most likely Romney's campaign. Ron Paul fans, no offense, but I believe Barrack Obama is most threatened by Herman Cain, not because Ron Paul & others are not conservatives but because Herman Cain takes away Barrack Obama's precious race card. Don't kid yourself, if Ron Paul is the nominee, liberals will accuse him of racism.
MrConservative608 3 months ago
@MrConservative608
Agreed. Wouldn't surprised at all in the least bit if it even came from Karl Rove.
Numguk 3 months ago
@MrConservative608
No, will accuse him AGAIN of racism.
And the first card they will bring to the table is that thoroughly debunked magazine of which RP was neither an author, editor, nor publisher.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
HERMAN CAIN DEFINITELY DIDNT DO ANYTHING BAD. HE IS AWESOME AND SO FUNNY. 999 RULES AND WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. 999 IS THE BEST. THAT BITCH IS A WHORE LIKE UR MOM. CAIN TRAIN 2012!
bananahammock46 3 months ago
Don't protect the OLM (old, Leftist Media) from itself. Just let it die. And question, question, question their Leftist premises, and their reason for existence, whenever possible. The ugly media dragon is dying, and it needs a little help from us to speed it up.
greengringo2003 3 months ago
Awesome video and Star Trek reference.
fajcuesta 3 months ago
You actually used the term, Kobayashi Maru?
Awesome!
GGSProductions65 3 months ago
If the two former employees don't come foward soon and do a major interview you know it's all BULLSHIT..........
goldsilverandiamonds 3 months ago
@goldsilverandiamonds There was a SETTLEMENT. Do you think they paid someone for nothing?
Is that not evidence that something did occur?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@L People make false claims all the time because they know it generally is an easy way to make money especially in a corporate enviroment. They know that once they make the claim the company must respond and will either fight it costing lots of money or decide to settle generally costing much less then fighting it, they can't ignore it. The laws favors those who make these types of claims and rewards them. These employees need to come out and explain what happened or its all just BULLSHIT.
goldsilverandiamonds 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
No, it's not.
It's evidence that there was ... a settlement.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg No, a settlement is evidence that a corporation with their lawyers stepped in to protect a powerful person and pay off to a powerless person was made to shut them up.
The powerless person because they are powerless took the payoff.
You're for protecting the powerful. Nice. They do need lots of protection. Don't they?
Would you rather the powerless have no recourse at all? Probably? Correct?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Wrong. There is cost to consider. It is often far less costly in terms of the cost of the judicial process and the lost opportunity being far more than an out of court settlement. Paying the accusers off may be a much cheaper route, so that is why it is taken. It has nothing to do w/ liable vs not liable or guilty vs not guilty. It's about cost.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius It may be a cheaper route. I didn't say it wasn't. The corporation seeks the most efficient and expediant way to move aside these disputes. But it doesn't change the fact that it is to protect their leadership (powerful executives) and protect the corporation itself.
So they pay off the weak. The weak take it becuae they are weak. Get it.
Once again would you rather there be no recourse for the weak?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 What I want is justice. If the "weak" are wrong, then they are wrong. If a poor person murders a rich person, I want that poor person sent to the electric chair.
The point is that an out of court settlement proves nothing regarding culpability as it may pertain to cost. There were out of court settlements here and they prove nothing regarding culpability. Besides remarks and gestures aren't an abuse of power.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius But the rich want to pay them off that's why they have created this settlement process. They don't want exposure to justice so the hide it with the payoff.
And you expose your ignorance to life in general when you say: "Besides remarks and gestures aren't an abuse of power."
You're a pawn. Plain and simple. A deceived minion for the powerful. They control you and you dig it.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Again which is often less costly: the out of court settlement or the long judicial process to prove the lack of liability or guilt? Answer: Frequently the former, so it is better from a business standpoint to go to the former of the out of court settlement. Here is a lesson in business: Opportunity cost. When going to the judicial process of $100Ks or $millions, that is money that could have been used for expanding or maintaining the business rather than deal w/the courts.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Right. That's what I said basically. They want to pay them off to be more efficient and expedient. And have less exposure to justice.
But you said you wanted justice? Right?
Aren't you contradicting yourself now?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 We don't know if there is less exposure to justice or now, b/c we don't know what evidence there is or what the claims are.
WE have been told of gestures and remarks. Well, I don't care about gestures and remarks, so these ladies can go screw themselves. If they can't handle a man eating a banana or a carrot, screw them. If they can't handle, "that's a nice dress, dear", screw them.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius But that's how the rich and powerful want it. Right? It's their lawyers saying just pay them off. Do you want justice or not?
"Well, I don't care about gestures and remarks" lol, ok good, go fuck yourself then. And I'm making a gesture right now about fucking your Mom. But that's ok right? And when your boss or a co-worker does it that's ok right?
I hope you're subjugated by those who have power over you ASAP so you can grow from the experience.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 "And I'm making a gesture right now about fucking your Mom." YAWN. It's inappropriate, but I won't fuss over it. Same w/the co-workers. We aren't children. We're adults.
"Do you want justice or not?" Without knowing the nature of the evidence it is impossible to know if justice would be served at the courts or not. That's why we don't know if the defense is liable or guilty. We just know that a less costly route was taken.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Maybe if I caught you eating a carrot or a banana, I should take you to court for sexual harassment. Maybe if I caught you discussing a movie with someone else, then I should decry sexual harassment.
Would you call "that's a nice dress, dear" sexual harassment?
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius It depends how you said it. Or how you ate the banana or how you ate the carrot.
Bottom line. Are there draw backs to empowering those to claim sexual harassment? Yes. But is it worth checking those that are in positions of power? Yes.
And I'm glad you can't stop it. Thank the Lord.
Now go suck you bosses cock. I bet you would like it.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
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@Lombokstrait1 "It depends how you said it. Or how you ate the banana or how you ate the carrot." Like I said, no limits on what is and is not sexual harassment for you. & this is why everyone is tense and stilted in the workplace: fear of lawsuits esp sexual harassment lawsuits.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 I don't care about silly remarks like "What color is your underwear" or gestures like eating a banana. If a woman can't handle that, grow up. I have utter contempt for these women as there is very real sexual harassment as occurred to my female relative who endured her boss putting his hands down her pants. & You fuss over stupid remarks and gestures. It's ridiculous. Would you sympathize w/these women over "That's a nice dress that you're wearing"?
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius It all depends. But power corrupts and there must be measures in place to check it's mutations.
And it's not what you say it's how you say it sometimes.
Remarks and gestures can be use for intimidation. Don' t you get that?
Remarks and gestures can humiliate. Right?
Are you ok with people being humiliated and powerless to check it?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Remarks and gestures don't indicate a clear and present danger or a threat and they certainly don't demonstrate violence. Humiliation? If you consider yourself humiliated by gestures and remarks, then you are a very weak person indeed & screw you for whining. Intimidation involves threats so no there may be no such thing regarding gestures and remarks.
If it is something serious like "take off your clothes or you're fired", then the courts should be available for that. cont...
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius check... Intimidation does NOT involve threats.....
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Don't demonstrate violence? I don't know, gesture and remarks... that is very broad. So I think you're wrong... again. And no, intimidation can involve a lot more than just threats. Man, you are dense! LOL
I'm glad you are powerless to stop the weak from fighting back. LOL.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Look, you just want to complain for the sake of complaining. That's why ppl can't be playful and tell jokes in the work place. B/c of ppl like you: complain, complain, complain.
If these women stated that Cain complimented them on their dresses, you would complain and call that sexual harassment. Heck, you have no limits as to what is sexual harassment, b/c for you this is about rich vs poor and not right vs wrong.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius I believe Cain is a liar based on his reactions from questioning.
I would like to play poker with Cain any time. He's not good at bluffing.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 I almost never compliment anyone on anything at work. I almost never tell jokes at work. The same applies to most other ppl as everyone is scare of being accused of sexual harassment, b/c your views dominate. Thanks for turning the workplace into a hostile and scary environment in the name of avoiding the workplace from becoming a hostile and scary environment.
It really is appreciated. NOT!
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius A lawsuit or a threat of a lawsuit is a gesture. You have been initimidated by the threat of a gesture not even the gesture itself!!!! what a joke!!!
You've contradicted youself.
I'm glad you are oppressed so others don't have to be. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. LOL!!!
BOO! Be afraid.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Look, you actually think that eating a carrot or banana may be grounds for sexual harassment. You actually believe that complimenting a woman on her dress may be sexual harassment. Okay. That is the world you created & now everyone is afraid of making compliments, eating w/only 1 other person, making jokes and other activities. Many ppl are sure that there is always 2+ other ppl present and never alone w/another person. That's the world that you want. Thanks for letting me know,
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius ha ha ha. You're prisioner in my world!!! LOL. Be afraid.
BOO!
You're an idiot.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 How to avoid sexual harassment complaints: No jokes, no compliments, no interactions with others unless there are 3+ ppl present, and eat by yourself. Oh and everything should be written down. No talking either.
We should also have cameras everywhere except in bathrooms and microphones as well. That way alll conversations and interactions can be recorded to ensure whether or not sexual harassment took place.
Thank you, Big Brother.
NOT!
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius But you adore the powerful. So you are right at home. A dog chasing it's own tail.
God is watching. Remember.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 For me this is about right vs wrong. For you this is about powerful vs. "powerless". If Cain committed wrong by threats, extortion or physical force, then I would condemn Cain. None of that applies here as it is solely about remarks and gestures, so yawn. Frankly for you if he was eating a banana or carrot, you would complain, so there is no limit for you on it. So yawn. Cain is the "powerful", so that makes him the bad person automatically and his opponents the good automatically
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Cain's a bad liar. Plain and simple.
And... we are watching so watch what you do! and say!
LOL!!!!
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
Which goes some way in explaining why Herman Cain doesn't lie. He doesn't do it well.
tnx for the affirmation there Lombokstrait1
for a moment there I thought you were completely delusional
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Ha ha ha. Go church and pray to your myths. Twit.
Cain doesn't lie??????
Fool.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Tawana Brawley. Crystal Gail Mangum. Ever heard of those names? They are both women who LIED about being raped. That latter claimed that the Duke Blue Devils men's lacrosse team gang raped her. It was an utter lie. A U.S. Air Force study, “The False Rape Allegation in the Military Community (1983) investigated 556 cases of alleged rape, and found a 60% rate of false accusations. It's quite possible that Sharon Bialek is the real liar here.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 cont... However if it is something like "that's a nice dress, dear" or eating a banana, the courts have no place there. The courts aren't there to treat us like overgrown children. They are there to deal with real harm and real threats and real dangers. Not crap like eating a banana or a carrot.
Aegius 3 months ago
@Aegius Right, but if I was your boss and you couldn't do anything about it. Wouldn't that humiliate you? and even intimidate you... because you had (have) no power?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
Only in your fantasy land vision.
More likely the women took the settlement since a thorough review would have left them without employ and penniless.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg How do you know this?
and Cain's an idiot anyways.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
bwahahaha!!!
That's funny. You now want to profess that an "idiot" brought both Burger King and Godfather's Pizza from the brink of bankruptcy back to profitable businesses.
Are you familiar with the term "delusional?"
Just look in the mirror.
If Cain is such a rampant sexual predator, how come all the accusers date their assaults back 15 and more yrs ago? Why are there no more recent examples?
Here's a clue: The accusers are lying or misrepresenting
I'll say it for U "D'oh!"
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Idiots come in many forms. He ain't my hero. He's yours?
Now who's the idiot.
The dude is a liar.
I wouldn't mind him being president though. He would be very funny. As much as W.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
Hero is your word. You just can't stop putting words and deeds into other's behaviour in order to justify your uninformed view.
Put your envy away, it's not even distracting anymore.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Envy? I would rather be me than herman cain or anyone else, easily. Nice try though.
And good luck getting that brilliant scumbag elected.
Who ever your candidate is, if he wins, he will bugger you and yours for sure. And you'll beg for more. I know your kind all too well.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
zzzzzzz....
hmph...
What?
You say you missed your meds this morning.
Too bad, so sad.
Now go back to sleep. Teacher wasn't lying. You don't need to be smart to win debates. No need to dazzle anyone with brilliance. Just baffle them with loads of horse manure.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@goldsilverandiamonds
All the parties concerned have non-disclosure of the facts of the incident as part of the agreement.
The woman, only one person got a settlement payout, is under contractual agreement to say nothing specific about the settlement. Agreements such as this are contracts with specific terms of expected actions and behaviour by signatories.
The other two are subject to public ridicule for making baseless claims. I don't see them crawling out of the woodwork any time soon.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
The best thing about the net is the fact that i can actually save this episode and use it on the following of this scandal.
pilha 3 months ago
@pilha Weinergate 6/1/11
Duckeieio 3 months ago
@Duckeieio Hahah!Exactly man.I saw the AP repport on the case and he is already showing little contradictions,i don`t see him as any kind of sexist but if you run ,midia will dig.
pilha 3 months ago
How about we forget about this CAIN fella, he was only the head of the FEDERAL RESERVE in some midwestern state. This CAIN guy is a major establishment player. He won't do any of us any good. He is part of the problem. Pretty much like every nominee we have to choose from. Ron Paul is the only guy who is worth voting for. Even though he is a mason, he is the best of the worst.
solidsound 3 months ago
@solidsound Wow. I suddenly feel the need to don a tin foil hat... /sarc
wormer104 3 months ago
@wormer104 it has to be Aluminum foil stupid ;-)
realhxq 3 months ago
@realhxq Oh yeah...should I also wear a lead helmet to prevent the aliens from reading my thoughts?
Is Tin Foil graded for extraterrestrial mind invasion?
wormer104 3 months ago
@wormer104 Aliens? Now that is just silly !
realhxq 3 months ago
@realhxq Not nearly as silly as some things I hear mentioned.
wormer104 3 months ago
Well since Republican candidates are required to live up to a higher standar, we have to let Cain go now. We have no choice. He did everthing Politico said he did, then he tried to lie about it...You all know me and my leanings, Cain's toast. We cant nominate him. Just like the Democrats cut Edwards loose, we have to cut him loose.
wideawake123 3 months ago
I do not believe Mr Cain is the type of man who would sexually harass anyone. Politico are bastards.
captainpisshard 3 months ago
We need to find out who this anonymous guy is, he sure breaks a lot of stories.
Mezey5 3 months ago
In the words of another great black conservative thinker "This is nothing by a high tech lynching."
Clarence Thomas went through the same thing with that stupid bitch Anita Hill and her 'pubic hair' on a coke can.
jtbpnw 3 months ago 2
Herman Cain is being smeared just like Judge Thomas was and the same goes for Judge Bork, The more I listen to what Mr. Cain as to say the more I like, He would make a fine President. And yea he is a real threat so that is why this is being done, But in this age of the Internet, I don't think this is going to fly with the only ones that count, The Voters!
BH206L3 3 months ago
what ever happen to libel why are there no libel law suits against politico? why aren't the people at politico being investigated.
ABGAN100 3 months ago
@ABGAN100 Most courts are inclined to protect the press.
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@jtbpnw
Oh really?
Does the name Judith Miller ring any bells?
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg No.
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@jtbpnw
Then I'm not surprised you are so clueless when it comes to the current relationship btwn authors and the Fed Courts.
Judith Miller was and is a writer for the NY Times. She was jailed at the time she was held in contempt of Court for not revealing her sources for a story she wrote for the NYT about Valerie Plame's husband Joseph Wilson. Both were or had been FedGov employees at the time of the story. Valerie was a covert agent for the CIA and Jo Wilson a former US Diplomat in Africa.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg WTF does any of that have to do with this post?
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@jtbpnw
You claimed the "courts are inclined to protect the press"
I brought forward a relatively recent example that exemplifies that such a view is invalid.
The Courts tend to protect the gov that employs them and have no problem denying basic civil rights to members of the Press irregardless of the explicit protections outlined in the US Constitution.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg You're seeing things. Go smoke another bong dude.
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@jtbpnw
You wouldn't be so blinded to reality if you would put the bong down.
See how easy it is to play the game of ad-hominem?
Go troll somebody else now. I won't be bothered by your willfully ignorant crying
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Ad hominem? You directly quoted something I didn't say... stoned ass SOB. You wouldn't know a troll if he was eating your pvssy.
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@jtbpnw
Now we can add bald-faced lying to your repertoire.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg Who's "we"? I personally will add complete irrelevant moron to you 'repertoire."
jtbpnw 3 months ago
@ABGAN100 Why aren't you being investigated! Perhaps in the future?
GGSProductions65 3 months ago
@ABGAN100 lol, because there must be some truth to it. You're a genius.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@ABGAN100
They haven't actually said anything yet.
All Politico reported is that there appears to have been claims of harassment made regarding behaviour exhibited by Herman Cain when he was the Chairman of the Nat Restaurant Assoc. They made no specific claim and so haven't actually libeled or slandered Cain, yet.
That's why this isn't a story or controversy. No one has said anything of substance.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg they made an allegation suggesting that Cain had sexually assaulted two women, that is all it take to damage a reputation in this day and age. it should be considered libel if it is not true! if they can produce no evidence that their claim is true they should be sued for libel.
ABGAN100 3 months ago
@ABGAN100 Cain couldn't prove it was not true so he signed a settlement...or was it an agreement? LOL. What a douche.
337noname 3 months ago
@337noname Often times it is cheaper to settle out of court then to go to court, many settlement cases have confidentiality agreement so he might not be legally allowed to talk about the case details. given that he is a republican I'm more inclined to believe that this is a witch hunt like the justice Clarence Tomas case. and not a true allegation like the Clinton Affairs and the Lewinsky cum stained dress or John Edwards cheating on his cancer stricken wife now their are some real douche bags.
ABGAN100 3 months ago
@ABGAN100 John Edwards - a bigger douche bag than Herman Cain. Wow. There's your bumber sticker for 2012.
337noname 3 months ago
@337noname your words not mine I said John Edwards and Clinton were the real Douche bags, never suggested that Herman Cain was a douche bag
ABGAN100 3 months ago
@337noname
What isn't true?
There have been no substantive accusations made.
Herman Cain was not a party to the payouts made to two women who allegedly made some unspecified accusations that were directed at Cain. As a man of integrity he turned the matter over to other members of the Board and it's legal team. He recognized his obvious conflict of interest. Though Chairman at the time he was properly not a party to the eventual resolutions.
You don't know any more than we do.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg
That's how Cain wants to spin it. I try to look beyond a politicians spin and at the facts.
Fact - Cain was accuse by two different people of sexual harassment. Fact - both charges of sexual harassment had enough merit to bring a settlement which Cain signed off on. Fact - Cain at first denied it, then admitted it. Fact - the last fact shows a real lack of integrity by Cain.
337noname 3 months ago
@337noname
Wrong. That is what happened. NRA has disclosed some information. No one has disclosed any substance of what accusations were made. Politico created innuendo that the accusations were in some way related to charges of sexual harassment, but no one as yet has stepped forward to confirm or give any details about the charges. Cain and the women who made charges are bound by legal agreements to not disclose these details. So it's obvious you are making hay with no straw at hand.
maskedphrogg 3 months ago
@maskedphrogg That's the crazy spin I've heard so far. LMAO!
337noname 3 months ago