So does the Pubic Union culture turn otherwise normal people into insufferable douchebags or do insufferable douchebags naturally gravitate to public unions?
@Nicolai0Nerland - you're so indoctrinated you're a fucking retard. Just like a typical Useful Idiot you retreat into "you don't know what Socialism means" bullshit without ever providing a definition. Sorry dip shit, YOU don't know what Socialism means. YOU can't provide a functioning definition. YOU are so fucking stupid you're just another dickless, Useful Idiot who is too dumb to know he's nothing more than a Nazi stooge. Example:
"If you'd say that here in Norway, you'd be lynched."
@thomaserossi I'm sorry to say this, but spite all your insults you're not exactly showing anything contracting my claim, rather then your sheer ignorance. And by far I can give you a definition; "a society which where the workers own the commodity of the means of production", but alas it isn't that easy. Now, I'm not going to sum up the whole manifesto for you; it isn't my job to get you fucking reading on philosophy and economic theory.
@thomaserossi Oh and socialism and nazism are two opposite things of both the social and economic spectrum. Spite Hitler calling it "national socialism", doesn't make any of his theories even compatible with the theories of socialism, nor communism. Also on the subject of the labor unions: You'd get pretty social relations, by dissing the labor unions whom provide an actual stance on labor rights, which most people here has huge respect for. Except for the bosses a their unions ofc
@thomaserossi Oh and socialism and nazism are two opposite things of both the social and economic spectrum. Spite Hitler calling it "national socialism", doesn't make any of his theories even compatible with the theories of socialism, nor communism. Also on the subject of the labor unions: You'd get pretty social relations, by dissing the labor unions whom provide an actual stance on labor rights, which most people here has huge respect for. Except for the bosses a their unions ofc
@jmintube "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
- Jiddu Krishnamurti"
It's also a typical Useful Idiot who is too stupid to leave America for another country when America is a "sick society." Fuck off and leave! Go ahead! Be like these Michael Morons and leave for Greece or Egypt. Greece is a Socialist Society. Greece is a Socialist Utopia just like East Germany before your beloved Soviets collapsed. Leave for Greece you moron and quit being a fag.
@thomaserossi You really seem to have joy in insulting people? If you haven't noticed pal, your labor rights has pretty much been raped to hell since the 90', outsourced to other countries, corporations having huge influences on civil laws, even the imperialistic wars your government has lead on. By far 20% of America is without jobs for Christ sake, and your living standards aren't going up exactly. So by far that is "sick".
@thomaserossi Oh and Soviet was a shit hole (thx to Stalin) and most socialist/communist movements denounce it. Also Greece is in uproar yet, and is not socialist at all, but it has a strong movement there (thanks to obvious reasons). Only country in Europe that is "socialistic" is Kypros (sits in government), but I haven't seen much from their front to get up the labor standards. At least yet.
This is hilarious. Yes, Gov. Walker kicked a sleeping giant... right in his lazy a....! By the way, your Commune called, they said to stop at the Welfare Office and pick up everybody's checks.
@Nicolai0Nerland Public Unions use tax dollars to buy politicians namely democrats through campaign donations. Those politicains in turn over pay & over promise to those public workers more then the private sector can provide. Federal Workers & State Workers make far more then their private sector counterparts.
Private Unions negotiate for profits they help EARN unlike Public which buy corrupt politicians to do their bidding.
@Mutedvox IT'S ON!!!!! scott is going to get recalled to his proper place, in hell !!. start cleaning out your desk, you're history!!!!! VENI VIDI VOTI he came, he saw, he got recalled!!!! bye bye!!
Federal employees dont have unions, why do these wisconsin public union guys need it so badly? There are plenty of federal laws protecting worker rights, this isnt 1940 anymore.
@centerflank Not quite correct. There are federal employee unions (NATCA for example which is for Air Traffic Controllers) but they are not allowed to negotiate for wages, only working conditions (lunch breaks, hours etc.)
@8thRRFS But you dont see them swarming the capital and crappin it all up? Lets get back to work america, start your own company, government jobs need downsizing!
@USMC4056 What a piece of shit, eh? Well, cheer up! I have a picture of that dumb bitch with him getting dragged out of the Capitol building by the cops like a dog! It's beautiful. :-)
We elected a president without any real world experience" and the preternatural inability to learn or think seriously about the issues facing him. He is a permanent college Sophomore stuck in the drunken soliloquy in a dorm room philosophy rift. To a fellow drunk he appears glib and wise but to the sober he is a drunken fool.
She obviously is confused about what is going on in Eygpt since the military is still running the country, muslim brotherhood is consolidating power and the elections have been postponed. Libya announced today that sharia law will be the law of the land--you know- women are treated worse than dogs and get executed if they get raped because they are impure. Wake up woman.
I laugh when the lost little teabags rail about the "socialists". I guess they don't grasp that they use the "socialist" provided services everyday when they drive the roads, cross bridges, go to the hospital, get stopped by a policeman, have their BBQ fire put out by the Fire Department, or send their kids to school, or have a meeting with their brats teacher and get their FLU shot from the local health department. medicare, medicaid, SS too. they seem to unwittingly loathe themselves.
If ANY government taxes you, then they owe you a living. If they don't tax you or charge you for land or other profit making necessities, they don't owe you a living. Rape is the theft of sex. Government is the theft of money, sex, food, shelter, health, and well-being. If I am correct, we will see the recession get much worse. MILLIONS of young american girls will be KIDNAPPED for prostitution. All the kings horses and all the kings men - couldn't put Humpty together again. "The Doozie" amazon
@bilderbergresistance beck tell you that? hmm. or is it just a feeble attempt to insult?? I can tell by your poster name you believe in conspiracies and probably unicorns too. if somehow you think that people are not fed up with being held prisoner by corporations and in the case of Wisconsin a corrupt government bought and paid for by corporations, then you aren't paying attention. the greatest power people have is their voice. the greatest power corporations have is your ignorance.
@Mutedvox Did K. Marx tell you that? or was that a feable attempt to defend communism?
if a corporation is "holding you prisoner" in America you can search for a better job unlessyou dont have any useful skills someone is willing to pay a good wage for. oh yeah and the conspiracy thing= your an idiot fuck you and g beck
@bilderbergresistance try to pay attention. I was talking about how the corporations have purchased you the people. I didn't say anything about an individual working for a corporation. your poster name suggests that you are one of the "New World Order" conspiracy lunatics. talking points from beck? I think so. by the way, it's "feeble" not "feable". and it's YOU'RE an idiot not YOUR an idiot. lol lol looks like YOU are the idiot.
@bilderbergresistance paying attention means concentrating on the words. you believe that Bilderberg is somehow promoting the New World Order theory. you believe in conspiracy. is that more understandable for you. I speak only fact. you are not the smart one in the room.
@Mutedvox ~this is you--"the corporations have purchased you the people"--" fed up with being held prisoner by corporations"--Well, throw out your corporate made computer--turn off your corporate produced electricity--strip off your corporate made clothes--burn down your corporate made home--and go live naked in a forest, eat roots and berries and wipe your ass with tree bark(cuz toilet paper is...you guessed it). If you do this, you will still have a better life than Cubans. Get my point?
@Mutedvox --I believe my comment to you makes it clear that I'm ready to have a "real" discussion. I see you are still using your corporate made computer with corporate produced electricity. Or have you retreated to some corporate-free zone where Marxists like you can communicate via mental telepathy? BTW, what is the average internet speed in Cuba? HAHAHAHA
@smokethosetaliban like the other buffoons, you don't think there is anything wrong with corporations swinging your elections, shipping your jobs out of the country, controlling your states government, deciding your future without your input or concern. you really want to take that side of the argument?
@Mutedvox If you EVER offered ANY facts or PROOF to back up your bullshit hollow leftist chants, we could begin a discussion. But you don't. Wallstreet Corps contributed heavily to obamas campaign and unions spent >>>OVER 600MILLION DOLLARS<<< on the 2008 campaign. Why don't you begin the conversation by explaining the virtue of that. You bitch about jobs going overseas...explain why Bubba Clinton signed NAFTA. Explain SEIU sending thugs to voting places. Ditto ACORN...explain, sweetpea...
@smokethosetaliban all YOU need to do is just READ something and quit listening to the talking niblets on fox. you seem to not know that NAFTA was being promoted back in 1986 by bush sr. and backed by a bipartisan group when it was signed in '94. read about bush lites North American Union deal in 2006. do you really believe that corporations only gave to Obama? are you that naive or just ignorant of the facts? no wonder corporations love people like you. you are so gullible.
@Mutedvox --Who signed NAFTA, boogie? That was Clinton. If you want to attribute the bad things that happened in the 90's to Reagan or Bush, then at least have the decency to attribute the good things from the 90's to them also(such as the peace dividend). And where are you reading all of this info? On your computer? Or did you find it carved on a tree in the woods after you abandoned all of the coporate-produced trappings of modern life? Youtube is corporate created. What are you doing here?
@smokethosetaliban who authored NAFTA? who promoted it? and wasn't it backed by republicans? I gave you the info and you stupidly ignore it. now, here is your contradiction of argument on drilling in Brazil. the Export-Import Bank of the U.S. had made a preliminary commitment to lend $2B to Brazil to purchase drilling equipment from the U.S. the bank board at the time had 3 repubs (bush appointees) and 2 dems. Obama had no appointees at the time of the unanimous vote for the loan. u fail!
@Mutedvox --You bitch about jobs going overseas. I don't see you objecting to Obama's moratorium on oil drilling in the Gulf while giving billions to Brazil so they can drill. Do you know how many drilling rigs have relocated to the Mediteranean under Obama? His jobs czar, Jeffrey Immelt, shifted lots of jobs overseas--where is your anger over that? He's campaigning in a brand new bus made in ...CANADA. BTW, if Walker is such a corrupt guy, why is employment/job creation up in Wi?
@smokethosetaliban you are only partly correct about the bus. the shell was manufactured in Canada, but the bus itself was purchased through a company in Tennessee named Hemphill. the bus was outfitted with security features including communications and special support to handle the weight of all the necessary equipment. all of that was done by Hemphill in Tennessee. the bus is part of the updated fleet utilized by the Secret Service and will be used by other people besides Obama. fail #2
@smokethosetaliban how does drilling by some company in the Gulf benefit us? if the people of the U.S. are to get lower gas prices at the pump, the government would have to have it's own oil company. oil companies are multinational and sell on the open market. riggers go where the job is. Immelt pisses me off. I love Occupy Wall Street and hate the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that endorses offshoring and outsourcing. I hate Koch brothers, Citizens United decision and lobbyists. outrage?
@Mutedvox --"how does drilling by some company in the Gulf benefit us?"--Simple. It creates US jobs and creates pressure on other producers to lower prices.~~"the shell was manufactured in Canada"--You made my point. The US has plenty of facilities capable of this work--The Secret Service, of all orgs, should buy US only. "who authored NAFTA"--Clinton signed it and nobody lobbied harder than he for its passage by a DEM controlled Congress. Bubba then pushed for and got the WTO--another fail.
@smokethosetaliban you lost the point on the bus. Hemphill in Tennessee ordered the shell from Canada. That's on them, not Obama or the Secret Service. you mention NAFTA and a bunch of AFTA's. exactly who is left that voted for these anyway? t-party is a fringe lunatic group and not real grassroots. they're owned by dick armey, the koch brothers and richard melon scaife. and all the TP groups are suing each other. astroturf.
@Mutedvox --Your rant about the TEA PARTY is frivolous and unfounded. We are owned by nobody(unless you care to offer proof otherwise). We are absolutely grass roots(unless you can prove otherwise). And considering that the Tea Party drove the agenda in the landslide Democrat defeat in 2010, your claim that we are fringe is also unfounded--2012 is looking like a much larger Tea Party win. Notice how you Occutards trash every venue and break the law--but the Tea Party is a clean lawful group?
@smokethosetaliban you're owned by the likes of dick armey, koch brothers and the republicans who hijacked you for their own purpose. bachmann, perry, cain are all pandering to you and will push you aside just like they did to the evangelicals. you're astroturf.. corporations love people like you who helped make them an individual and allowed them to unload tons of cash into candidates coffers. you opened the door for multinational corps. to manipulate elections and politics. U R screwed
@Mutedvox --"unload tons of cash into candidates coffers"--Oh, like the $650million that the unions pumped into Obama and the DNC in 2008? Or do you mean the hundreds of millions that Corporations and Soros gave Obama in 08'? "manipulate elections"--Oh, like the black panthers carrying clubs at the polls? Or like Gore trying to cancel military absentee votes? "astroturf"--Oh, you're a parrot on Pelosi's shoulder, heh? When you Occutards cause an electoral landslide like 2010, then you can brag
@smokethosetaliban corps give more to repubs than dems. fact. koch brothers are pouring tons of cash at repub candidates. the black panther is null and void. that was a manufactured story by your talking niblet friends at faux news. two guys is a group? you're the parrot repeating teabag propaganda.
@Mutedvox --"the black panther is null and void. that was a manufactured story by your talking niblet friends at faux news"-- so the video I saw and the interviews with witnesses was all fabricated? You are a delusional idiot! You spouted the famous Pelosi term "astroturf"--you are the parrot who dutifully repeats hollow leftist chants. "koch brothers are pouring tons of cash at repub candidates"--And Soros is sponsoring Dems/Obama--so what? How does it feel to see these terrible stats on O?? :)
@smokethosetaliban that story died a quick death due to the lack of credibility. 2 guys? really, 2 guys? enjoy your irrelevance. the teabag/neocon republicans are as insignificant as the evangelicals are now.
@Mutedvox --Well, tell me occutard--How many young men with clubs does it take to scare old ladies away from the polls? Because the video I saw included some older ladies being intimidated by those thugs. Now that we have your approval, I will let the GOP know that we can place more than two--maybe three or four--young thugs with weapons at the polls to scare away Dem seniors in 2012. And like I said, when you occupunks create a landslide election, then you can talk shit about "insignificance"
@smokethosetaliban you spoke of thugs keeping people from the voting booth. are you aware of what teabag/neocons are trying to do in swing states to keep people from voting or trying to make it tougher for them to vote? look at legislation they are trying to put into place; consolidating polling places, changing early voting rules, ID requirements, and a whole host of other voter suppression tactics. some integrity the teabag/neocon party has, they cheat to win. those are your thugs!
@Mutedvox --So showing ID to vote is voter suppression? Consolidating polling places is voter suppression? Your points are all null and void--manufactured by the tards at MSNBC. Glad to see you are honing your whining techniques--you will need them in Nov 2012. Obamas poll numbers are crashing and he will cost you the senate as well. And you will lose even more statehouse seats. You really do not understand the depth of the defeat which awaits you. Redistricting will cement those defeats. :)
@smokethosetaliban teabag/neocons have to cheat to win. how's that you neotard!! and your relevance has already tanked along with your short bus of candidates...lol lol lol
@Mutedvox Did you get training to be so stupid? Voter ID laws are rejected by democrats only. Why? FRAUD. It's simple to anybody with an IQ higher than their own height in inches.
@centerflank the South Carolina Supreme Court agrees that it was voter discrimination and struck it down. now who's been called out? Boo yah you pathetic teabag/neocon. Wisconsin is next!
@Mutedvox Also, South Carolina's voter id bill had much different language than our wisconsin bill but you dont know a thing about that do you? Ignorant Lefty!
@centerflank different language, same results. voter suppression. ignorant teabag/neocon. I think I hear the koch brothers calling. get back on the street.
@Mutedvox --And YES, Clinton had plenty of help and support from treacherous Republican thugs like Gingrich, Boehner, Hastert, Dole, etc.-- G W Bush is a mildly retarded man-child who had no business managing anything more complex than a hot dog cart. But none of the aforementioned Republicans are conservatives--not one! Real conservatives never voted for or supported NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO--and notice that not one of those RINO's has the support of the Tea Party--a group of true conservatives.
@smokethosetaliban Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney and Mexican President Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. Before it became law, Clinton came to office in U.S., Campbell then Chretien in Canada. For: House 132rep 102dem For: Senate 34rep 27dem
@Mutedvox --Clinton lobbied both parties prior to passage and CLINTON SIGNED IT after it passed in a DEM controlled Congress--case closed! "Hemphill in Tennessee ordered the shell from Canada. That's on them, not Obama or the Secret Service"--WRONG--all govt purchases are subjected to supply chain scrutiny AND the Secret Service AND OBAMA had the option to insist that only American made products be used since Obama used this bus to rally a "buy American" theme--my point is his hypocricy.
@Mutedvox --Hey, I understand your frustration, Occutard. Obama is dragging your party down with him and support for him is cratering in every single group you can imagine. 2010 was carnage for Dems and you also lost Kennedys and Weiners seats--who'd a thunk it?--Obama's new campaign slogan--"I thought we could"---2012--(_x_)
@smokethosetaliban I understand yours. you're being pimped out by your party. they don't think you even deserve what they get. they back away from their own plans when Obama tries to implement them. think they are looking out for you? that's why they like people like you. the ignorant are easy to manipulate and TP fits the bill. you're so filled with TP stupidity you can't even see that Occupy Wall Street is working for you. read, stop listening to faux news and those talking niblets
@Mutedvox --Let's recap Obama's drop in support among key groups--Latinos 67% to 48%--Blacks who strongly approve 83% to 58% in just 5 mos.--Jews 80% to 45%--Women 70% to 41%--
@Mutedvox --Independents(THIS WILL DOOM HIM) 52% to 30%(Gallop)--Seniors 45% to 30%--Young voters 75% to 46%--Whites 56% to 36%--2008 Obama voters 100% to 69%...down11% since June.
@Mutedvox --Only 33% of Democrats believe his economic program is working...down from 60% in January. Did you see that Jewish stat? Jews accounted for more than half of the personal contributions to the DNC in 08'. Not this time. NY distrct 9, Weiners fmr playground, is heavily Jewish and Democrat, but when they elected a GOP guy in Sept, Obama polled at just 43% approval.--2012 is going to be a real pillow-biter for you Occutards --(_x_)
@Mutedvox --Isn't it interesting that Tea Party participants clean up after themselves, rebuke intolerance of ethnic and minority groups, and go back to work on Monday. But you Occutards squat in squalor, crap in public, destroy public property, chant anti-semetic slogans, shout down opposing views, break the law enmasse and get arrested, disrupt local businesses, trash your venues, advocate violence(SanFran),and never leave because you are unemployed militant Marxist hippies.
@Mutedvox --So Walker is corrupt, heh? Why is it that school districts across Wi are now finally able to switch to new Health Ins plans saving millions of dollars when before, the >>UNION OWNED<< health plan was costing so much more? Did you know that the union is being investigated for this corruption? Have you looked at the budget deficits Walker inherited vs the balanced budget he has achieved. Is spending taxpayer dollars wisely and balancing the budget REALLY an act of corruption to you??
I didn't see a single gray hair of wisdom in this crowd.
Socialism only works when every country on the planet is socialized. That's a quote from Lenin by the way. These kids were too young when the USSR fell in 1989. They really should read some books of their own choosing, rather than books chosen for them.
these fools do not realize they are the first ones to die as a result of their socialist's leaders actions. obama, bush and etc... could give a damn about these little pawns on the battlefield. when the economy crashes and the food lines run dry these intellects are done. they cannot do or produce anything. do not fear these people.
Im American born and raised , my father descended from trinidad and tobago , he came to this great nation of ours , to give us freedom for me my brothers .
Dont understand why they are people who dont like what AMAERICA StandS for . THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET OUT OF AMERICA AND GO LIVE FIDEEL CASTRO R CHAVEZ
@1jzgte27 No you don't leave! America was made for you! Thank you for enriching us, with your LEGAL entry into this country! You are absolutely right in your comment! We must defeat socialism at all costs!
@adiosucks123 Actually yeah you're right and I'm wrong! Its not 100 years that this country has been enjoying Socialism for! Oh no, This country has been enjoying Socialized Mediums since the Adoption of the US Constitution!
Socialism isn't a bad thing...America is turning into a white trash nation of drunken uneducated racist child molesting religious nut bags....I am ashamed of America...I think the white trash who are destroying are country and hijacking the politics with their nonsense and their payoffs from the koch bros, and go to Texas and secede. They can start a Christian Iran....we need to get rid of the stupid white trash cancer thats is destroying america and murdering people in the middle east for oil.
@RobVanMeter You can't stand it can you? America has awakened to the socialist menace! And you are part of that menace, you socialist loser! Socialism isn't a bad thing? Tell that to the escapees from prison # 14, if you even know what that is, you ignorant fuck! You should know what it is; it's part of your socialist utopia, moron! Nah, America is now waking up and you are on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY! As socialism always has been. No one believes your propaganda (your comment) anymore.
A public employee, a socialist? SHOCK! If I had my way, it would be illegal for self-identified socialists to receive monies except through purely free and voluntary means.
That is loosing game for the private sector...as she say "I'm a public employee and a lot of our member are" So she take by force/coercion her salary from the private sector and use her time to get more money from the taxpayers.
And the private sector??it has to come up w/gold to feed himself and to pay her salary.
I don't know but I think this Goose (the private sector) will not live for long.
I really love dismembering liberal arguments as I have here--they ALWAYS end up running away leaving a vapor trail>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----------------------
@Rfriddle1977-- see "Rutherfordium" to learn the truth about that of which you speculate wildly...they didn't name it "Governmentium 104"....go find out why.....AND GUESS WHAT>> in similar fashion, you reached faulty conclusions about our moon landing & early computers
@Rfriddle1977 --"It was taxpayer dollars that split the atom and created nuclear energy and nuclear weaponry"--In similar fashion, you improperly credit govt when decades of critical research and scientific discovery by the >>>private sector<<< predated the govt's involvement and laid the necessary groundwork--
@Rfriddle1977 --" It was taxpayer dollars that eradicated smallpox"--Almost everything you say requires correction. It is more accurate to say that taxpayer dollars were used to distribute vaccinations for smallpox AFTER THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR--just like polio. If a waitress brings you an outstanding meal, do you say "send my regards to the ...waitress?" The private sector is the chef and govt is and ought to be support staff for that chef.
@Rfriddle1977 --"Are you aware that Salk considered his vaccine to be the property of the entire world and signed over control of his vaccine to the United Nations?"--no, I wasn't aware of that, but it cuts against your belief that the private sector needs govt involvement to deliver great benefit to citizens AND it further undermines your faulty contention that "taxpayer dollars eradicated polio". It serves as a prime example that our private sector is what makes us great--not govt--thanks
@Rfriddle1977 -" I stated that taxpayer dollars paid for the vaccination programs that eradicated polio using the already existing vaccine"--REALLY?--here's the exact quote from you>>>" It was taxpayer dollars that eradicated polio"<<<...oooops...you just can't help yourself, can you? Deception, hyperbolie, and outright lies are the coin of your realm. So in your mind, the govt get's more credit than Salk for erradicating polio just because they took his discovery and dispersed it? BRILLIANT!!
@Rfriddle1977 Actually, you are wrong--the polio vaccine was wellunderway and merely recieved a boost from govt funding--AND--Ditto nuclear energy. "Every major leap in human progress has occured under government sponsorship"--this statement is patently false--a great many of the most stunning developments in technology and medicine occured with absolutely no govt funding or involvement--just because you proclaim it doesn't make it so--and Keynesian theory has no record of success...EVER
@Rfriddle1977 --And BTW, the private sector singlehandedly delivered the vast majority of the innovations I mentioned earlier. Those that you mention DO prove that govt can do great things in cooperation with a thriving private sector, but not without it(see the USSR as an example). I assure you that I could smother you in a mountain of private sector innovations for every single govt achievement you could offer--in fact I already have...just look back...
@Rfriddle1977 --yes--and it was the private sector that provided inumerable contributions to everything you listed. Hoover Dam required private concrete co's and private engineers--highways were contracted out to PRIVATE roadbuilders--NASA relied HEAVILY on thousands of PRIVATE co's to supply parts/materials--polio vaccine owed it's development to private labs and lab equipment as well--nuclear tech could not have happened w/out countless private suppliers--ditto computers--nice try, though...
@michaelwuzthere --"It's gonna happen, one way or the other"--Ok, so Wi voters have rejected "Democratic socialism" and the recall is a fail, so what is "the other way" you warn of? Violence and revolution? Please explain how it will happen since the first "way" has failed. AND, since Wi voters have rejected "Democratic Socialism" through the political process, IF you get your wish by some other means, how would you define that as "Democratic"? BTW, Wi budget is balanced--employment is rising
@smokethosetaliban There's never been a vote on democratic socialism, so I don't know what you're talking about. And civil disobedience and resistance are the best ways to bring change in a system that doesn't respect the people. And democratic socialism means democracy in the work place and co-operative labour and universal public services.
@michaelwuzthere --you're a deeply confused kid on a perfect track to contribute absolutely nothing to society. "Long live socialism!"--yeah, well not in Europe, kid--they are running for the door as their socialism collapses--Canadians are backing away from it--Americans ain't buyin it--Cubans risk their lives to escape it--but you go ahead and keep the dream alive...LOL
@smokethosetaliban No, I know a lot of Europeans, and they're all wanting an end to corporatism and demanding democratic socialism for the future. Canada has hardly any socialism, and what they do have was imported from the US in the early 20th century. And we all know that Americans are far behind the rest of the world intelligence-wise. And I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there, American's make up fantasies about how horrible it is there.
@michaelwuzthere --"No, I know a lot of Europeans, and they're all wanting an end to corporatism and demanding democratic socialism for the future"--yeah, that's why every country except one in Europe has elected conservative leaders who are ushering in austerity--the Europeans you "know" are clearly the misguided young moochers like yourself. "Canada has hardly any socialism"--natl healthcare and world leading welfare proves the folly of your BS.
@michaelwuzthere --"what they do have was imported from the US in the early 20th century"--this also is a lie since natl healthcare and cradle to grave welfare didn't exist in the US in the early 20th century. "And we all know that Americans are far behind the rest of the world intelligence-wise"--right! that's why we brought airplanes and cars to the world--brought electrification and computers to the world--lead the world in high-tech medicine--invented nuclear technology--
@michaelwuzthere >>More contributions from "dumb" Americans>>INTERNET, every computer programming language, carbon fiber, integrated circuts, microprocessors, GPS, communication satellites, LED's, LCD displays, cordless phones, CD's, DVD's, digital cameras, oil drilling, google, facebook, ebay, wikipedia, youtube, intergalactic probes, mars rovers, optical space telescopes...and on and on and on--BTW, why don't you start compiling a list of Marxist and Cuban achievements and we'll compare...LOL
@michaelwuzthere --"And I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there"--two lies in one short sentence. You should start removing all vestiges of modern civilazation from your dwelling--turn off your puter, shut off the electric, strip off your clothes since we pioneered modern textiles and the cotton gin, and go out into the woods and eat roots and berries and wipe your commie ass with tree bark because we invented toilet paper also....
@michaelwuzthere BTW, KARL, almost every single innovation I listed was created in the US PRIVATE SECTOR for >>>PROFIT<<<....OOOOOH MY GOD!!!! Evil nasty profiteers have done more to improve the lives of humans than any other entity...it's like a nightmare for you, heh??? And Cuba has contributed.................cigars...... and refugees risking their lives to escape
@smokethosetaliban Do you have a mental condition or something? Seriously? I have been to Cuba, last year in May. You clearly know on the inside that you have a stupid argument, and therefore you make stupid statements like "BTW, KARL, almost every single innovation I listed was created in the US PRIVATE SECTOR for >>>PROFIT<<<....OOOOOH MY GOD!!!! Evil nasty profiteers have done more to improve the lives of humans than any other entity...it's like a nightmare for you, heh??? "
@michaelwuzthere --that's what I thought, Karl--You are helpless to defend your BS. Sure is a shame...I was really looking forward to an explanation of Marxist achievements. Oh Well...BTW, I said two lies in one sentence, dumbfuck--that would be--"It's a nice place and the people like it there". You really are a fucking imbecile...LOL
@michaelwuzthere-I know you decided to disappear after I uprooted your marxist propoganda, but do you remember this?-"I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there?--well, kid, go to AP and read the article about an American aid worker who has just recieved effectively a life sentence for handing out cell phones--they are illegal in your paradise--he has lost 100lbs in incarceration--his trial and appeals were secret--of course--and now he will wait to die in a Cuban prison
@smokethosetaliban I wasn't aware you had responded, and no, it wouldn't be the first time a propaganda story was made about Cuba. Most of which in the past, which sound very similar, have been completely debunked. Cuban people are very friendly and have told me that socialism isn't the problem there, but the blockade leads to economic woes. They have different political parties and a representative central government, despite what propaganda preaches about a single-party dictatorship.
@michaelwuzthere --I guess the thousands upon thousands of refugees who risked their lives to flee--that was all faked, right?--and cuban doctors sent abroad who routinely apply for asylum--that is faked, right?. You say--"Cuban people are very friendly and have told me that socialism isn't the problem there"--So you went there and polled Cubans about how they like Marxism? You are a liar--
@smokethosetaliban I was in Cuba in a group for the May Day celebrations part of the WFDY, and I got to talk to several people about global issues in a large forum. People risk there lives to come to the US from Mexico. I guess that means capitalism is a failure too, right? The majority of people know that they probably won't find much success in US capitalism so they try to uphold and advance their socialism, despite the blockade. And Cuba has a very developed first-rate medical system.
@michaelwuzthere "People risk there lives to come to the US from Mexico'--do they? Last I heard, it was very easy--just walk on across the border--we have water stations set up for them if they get thirsty and we have welfare, healthcare, education, and jobs ready for them when they arrive. Doesn't sound nearly as risky as sneaking into a small boat for fear of being killed by your own govt and then crossing the Gulf to get here--if the currents bring you the right direction.
@smokethosetaliban Clearly you're clueless to the hardships people south of the border go through to make it here. And the Cuban people know first hand that it is a blockade, because the US doesn't trade with Cuba and imposes total economic sanctions.
@michaelwuzthere -Cuban healthcare myth debunked>>Cuban defector Dr. Leonel Cordova told the New York Times about his experience practicing in Cuba, "[E]ven if I diagnosed something simple like bronchitis... I couldn't write a prescription for antibiotics because there were none."[A] survey carried out in pharmacies late last year [in 2000] by the local [Cuban] magazine Bohemia failed to find 211 of the medicines included on the official list of products produced to attend to the health "...
@smokethosetaliban Fail, and i'm not going to bother to explain and source why, because you're just too wrapped up in glenn beck/fox news paranoia to get any sense through and it's getting annoying. goodbye.
@michaelwuzthere --"In Cuba there exists TWO health care systems,"21 explains U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), who fled Cuba with her family to the United States when she was seven years old.22 "[O]ne [care system is] for tourists, as well as Communist Party officials, and another for Cubans, who are forced to take with them even the most basic necessities when visiting a Cuban hospital; even aspirins are scarce."
@michaelwuzthere --Lourdes Garcia-Navarro of National Public Radio reported:
[S]peaking privately... some Cuban patients and doctors say the system has been feeling the strain of treating the Venezuelans in their home country and on the island. Doctors say that there's a shortage of trained specialists. Most Cuban doctors now they say become general physicians and forego specialized training because what is needed in Venezuela are community doctors.
@michaelwuzthere --according to a group of 18 exiled Cuban doctors. The doctors made their personal views clear in a joint letter in 1997:
We remain mystified as to why people of ordinarily good will and faith would seek to find fault with the United States for the disastrous situation inside Cuba, while failing to direct the blame squarely where it belongs - at the feet of Fidel Castro, who continues to rule our country with an iron fist after 38 years in power
Looks pretty darn progressive to me, thumbs up! :-)
26yearstoorion 1 day ago
So does the Pubic Union culture turn otherwise normal people into insufferable douchebags or do insufferable douchebags naturally gravitate to public unions?
ArneFufkin 2 days ago
Right, the Egypt revolution is such an inspiration. Don't forget to gang rape a reporter or two to get that authentic reproduction.
MisterFusion113 2 days ago
Girl in the video - you're a hero, driving jobs out of the state for your fellow man, raising taxes, all good things
"workers unite?" socialism is based on NOT WORKING moron. LOL...
mayhemlee 3 weeks ago
@mayhemlee If that is what you think socialism is, then I suggest you to read the communist manifesto and actually see what is means.
Nicolai0Nerland 1 week ago
@Nicolai0Nerland - you're so indoctrinated you're a fucking retard. Just like a typical Useful Idiot you retreat into "you don't know what Socialism means" bullshit without ever providing a definition. Sorry dip shit, YOU don't know what Socialism means. YOU can't provide a functioning definition. YOU are so fucking stupid you're just another dickless, Useful Idiot who is too dumb to know he's nothing more than a Nazi stooge. Example:
"If you'd say that here in Norway, you'd be lynched."
thomaserossi 1 week ago
@thomaserossi I'm sorry to say this, but spite all your insults you're not exactly showing anything contracting my claim, rather then your sheer ignorance. And by far I can give you a definition; "a society which where the workers own the commodity of the means of production", but alas it isn't that easy. Now, I'm not going to sum up the whole manifesto for you; it isn't my job to get you fucking reading on philosophy and economic theory.
Nicolai0Nerland 6 days ago
@thomaserossi Oh and socialism and nazism are two opposite things of both the social and economic spectrum. Spite Hitler calling it "national socialism", doesn't make any of his theories even compatible with the theories of socialism, nor communism. Also on the subject of the labor unions: You'd get pretty social relations, by dissing the labor unions whom provide an actual stance on labor rights, which most people here has huge respect for. Except for the bosses a their unions ofc
Nicolai0Nerland 6 days ago
@thomaserossi Oh and socialism and nazism are two opposite things of both the social and economic spectrum. Spite Hitler calling it "national socialism", doesn't make any of his theories even compatible with the theories of socialism, nor communism. Also on the subject of the labor unions: You'd get pretty social relations, by dissing the labor unions whom provide an actual stance on labor rights, which most people here has huge respect for. Except for the bosses a their unions ofc
Nicolai0Nerland 6 days ago
HONEST commies, god bless him for being honest! LOL idiots.
mayhemlee 3 weeks ago
The people in this video are FREAKS!!!
Socialism??!? Ahhh, no thanks.
These people are very weird and creepy.
chuck9788 4 weeks ago
@chuck9788 it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
- Jiddu Krishnamurti
jmintube 3 weeks ago
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@jmintube "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
- Jiddu Krishnamurti"
It's also a typical Useful Idiot who is too stupid to leave America for another country when America is a "sick society." Fuck off and leave! Go ahead! Be like these Michael Morons and leave for Greece or Egypt. Greece is a Socialist Society. Greece is a Socialist Utopia just like East Germany before your beloved Soviets collapsed. Leave for Greece you moron and quit being a fag.
thomaserossi 1 week ago
@thomaserossi You really seem to have joy in insulting people? If you haven't noticed pal, your labor rights has pretty much been raped to hell since the 90', outsourced to other countries, corporations having huge influences on civil laws, even the imperialistic wars your government has lead on. By far 20% of America is without jobs for Christ sake, and your living standards aren't going up exactly. So by far that is "sick".
Nicolai0Nerland 6 days ago
@thomaserossi Oh and Soviet was a shit hole (thx to Stalin) and most socialist/communist movements denounce it. Also Greece is in uproar yet, and is not socialist at all, but it has a strong movement there (thanks to obvious reasons). Only country in Europe that is "socialistic" is Kypros (sits in government), but I haven't seen much from their front to get up the labor standards. At least yet.
Nicolai0Nerland 6 days ago
This is hilarious. Yes, Gov. Walker kicked a sleeping giant... right in his lazy a....! By the way, your Commune called, they said to stop at the Welfare Office and pick up everybody's checks.
hamgam11 1 month ago
say goodbye, scott walker.....you'll be unemployed soon....
Mutedvox 2 months ago
@Mutedvox Walker is great. Unions suck donkeys.
frio109 2 months ago
@frio109 I could tell by your response you must be a mental midget and able to do the limbo using a fleas' erection as a limbo pole.
Mutedvox 2 months ago
@frio109 If you'd say that here in Norway, you'd be lynched. If it weren't for out unions, we wouldn't have the rights we have now.
Nicolai0Nerland 2 weeks ago
@Nicolai0Nerland Public Unions use tax dollars to buy politicians namely democrats through campaign donations. Those politicains in turn over pay & over promise to those public workers more then the private sector can provide. Federal Workers & State Workers make far more then their private sector counterparts.
Private Unions negotiate for profits they help EARN unlike Public which buy corrupt politicians to do their bidding.
Public Unions conflict with the role of govt!
joe035 1 week ago
@Mutedvox IT'S ON!!!!! scott is going to get recalled to his proper place, in hell !!. start cleaning out your desk, you're history!!!!! VENI VIDI VOTI he came, he saw, he got recalled!!!! bye bye!!
Mutedvox 1 month ago
yeah cause wisconsin is hurting like egypt,fucking morons
joelj691 2 months ago
yeah a sleeping giant allright,they don't work so sleeping is what you pay them to do wisconsin
joelj691 2 months ago
im a democratic socialist
MrTri497 2 months ago
Federal employees dont have unions, why do these wisconsin public union guys need it so badly? There are plenty of federal laws protecting worker rights, this isnt 1940 anymore.
centerflank 2 months ago
@centerflank Not quite correct. There are federal employee unions (NATCA for example which is for Air Traffic Controllers) but they are not allowed to negotiate for wages, only working conditions (lunch breaks, hours etc.)
8thRRFS 2 months ago
@8thRRFS But you dont see them swarming the capital and crappin it all up? Lets get back to work america, start your own company, government jobs need downsizing!
centerflank 2 months ago
He kicked a sleeping giant? Is that why your bucktoothed?
USMC4056 2 months ago
@USMC4056 What a piece of shit, eh? Well, cheer up! I have a picture of that dumb bitch with him getting dragged out of the Capitol building by the cops like a dog! It's beautiful. :-)
CSK225 2 months ago
We elected a president without any real world experience" and the preternatural inability to learn or think seriously about the issues facing him. He is a permanent college Sophomore stuck in the drunken soliloquy in a dorm room philosophy rift. To a fellow drunk he appears glib and wise but to the sober he is a drunken fool.
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kopellhinex 3 months ago
Oh, fuck off Wisconsin socialists. Go back to your drink driving. Nobody even cares if you crash.
HokkaidoNightfire 4 months ago
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JOHNBRANSKI100 4 months ago
Before you know it it will be like Libya in here in Wisconsin, riots will break out.
justin12399 4 months ago
She obviously is confused about what is going on in Eygpt since the military is still running the country, muslim brotherhood is consolidating power and the elections have been postponed. Libya announced today that sharia law will be the law of the land--you know- women are treated worse than dogs and get executed if they get raped because they are impure. Wake up woman.
surfstomp 4 months ago
i notice you toned down your comments.
bilderberg is the big corps you hate so badley.
we have the same intentions just diffrent views on the solutions.
i do belive that the new world order is more than a cooky conspiracy theory and i will debate the factson the subject
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
I laugh when the lost little teabags rail about the "socialists". I guess they don't grasp that they use the "socialist" provided services everyday when they drive the roads, cross bridges, go to the hospital, get stopped by a policeman, have their BBQ fire put out by the Fire Department, or send their kids to school, or have a meeting with their brats teacher and get their FLU shot from the local health department. medicare, medicaid, SS too. they seem to unwittingly loathe themselves.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox the key word is limited. you libs dont know when to quit obviously there is a spending problem.
do you agree?
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance and you, whatever you are, don't know where to start.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
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If ANY government taxes you, then they owe you a living. If they don't tax you or charge you for land or other profit making necessities, they don't owe you a living. Rape is the theft of sex. Government is the theft of money, sex, food, shelter, health, and well-being. If I am correct, we will see the recession get much worse. MILLIONS of young american girls will be KIDNAPPED for prostitution. All the kings horses and all the kings men - couldn't put Humpty together again. "The Doozie" amazon
freemindsdaily 4 months ago
You commies are just useful idiots for Obama and his puppet masters.
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance and you are the disposable tea cups of the teabag/neocon koch bros. astroturf movement. you're not relevant anymore...
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox you crazy ass liberals take a beating at the last elections and still think your the majority we'll see in Novermber you fucking leach
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance yeah, look who your short bus load of candidates are. lol lol
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox how are they mine? just like a liberal putting us all in heards like animals.
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance we only return the compliment..
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox its not a compliment your ideas do not work look at the history of communism it cannot provide basic functions for its citizens
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance beck tell you that? hmm. or is it just a feeble attempt to insult?? I can tell by your poster name you believe in conspiracies and probably unicorns too. if somehow you think that people are not fed up with being held prisoner by corporations and in the case of Wisconsin a corrupt government bought and paid for by corporations, then you aren't paying attention. the greatest power people have is their voice. the greatest power corporations have is your ignorance.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox Did K. Marx tell you that? or was that a feable attempt to defend communism?
if a corporation is "holding you prisoner" in America you can search for a better job unlessyou dont have any useful skills someone is willing to pay a good wage for. oh yeah and the conspiracy thing= your an idiot fuck you and g beck
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance try to pay attention. I was talking about how the corporations have purchased you the people. I didn't say anything about an individual working for a corporation. your poster name suggests that you are one of the "New World Order" conspiracy lunatics. talking points from beck? I think so. by the way, it's "feeble" not "feable". and it's YOU'RE an idiot not YOUR an idiot. lol lol looks like YOU are the idiot.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox your trying to change the subject away from your socialist ideas that wont work.
keep talking shit it makes you seem real smart.
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance you don't know anything and I'm trying to help you learn something. don't be stupid all your life.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox my screen name is Bilderberg resistance. ok do you know what the bilderber group is??
do you know what resistance is? dipshit , educate yourself before you speak.
bilderbergresistance 4 months ago
@bilderbergresistance paying attention means concentrating on the words. you believe that Bilderberg is somehow promoting the New World Order theory. you believe in conspiracy. is that more understandable for you. I speak only fact. you are not the smart one in the room.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox ~this is you--"the corporations have purchased you the people"--" fed up with being held prisoner by corporations"--Well, throw out your corporate made computer--turn off your corporate produced electricity--strip off your corporate made clothes--burn down your corporate made home--and go live naked in a forest, eat roots and berries and wipe your ass with tree bark(cuz toilet paper is...you guessed it). If you do this, you will still have a better life than Cubans. Get my point?
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban when you want to have a "REAL" discussion, then come back. you are the perfect rube for the teabag/neocon republican party.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --I believe my comment to you makes it clear that I'm ready to have a "real" discussion. I see you are still using your corporate made computer with corporate produced electricity. Or have you retreated to some corporate-free zone where Marxists like you can communicate via mental telepathy? BTW, what is the average internet speed in Cuba? HAHAHAHA
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban like the other buffoons, you don't think there is anything wrong with corporations swinging your elections, shipping your jobs out of the country, controlling your states government, deciding your future without your input or concern. you really want to take that side of the argument?
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox If you EVER offered ANY facts or PROOF to back up your bullshit hollow leftist chants, we could begin a discussion. But you don't. Wallstreet Corps contributed heavily to obamas campaign and unions spent >>>OVER 600MILLION DOLLARS<<< on the 2008 campaign. Why don't you begin the conversation by explaining the virtue of that. You bitch about jobs going overseas...explain why Bubba Clinton signed NAFTA. Explain SEIU sending thugs to voting places. Ditto ACORN...explain, sweetpea...
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban all YOU need to do is just READ something and quit listening to the talking niblets on fox. you seem to not know that NAFTA was being promoted back in 1986 by bush sr. and backed by a bipartisan group when it was signed in '94. read about bush lites North American Union deal in 2006. do you really believe that corporations only gave to Obama? are you that naive or just ignorant of the facts? no wonder corporations love people like you. you are so gullible.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Who signed NAFTA, boogie? That was Clinton. If you want to attribute the bad things that happened in the 90's to Reagan or Bush, then at least have the decency to attribute the good things from the 90's to them also(such as the peace dividend). And where are you reading all of this info? On your computer? Or did you find it carved on a tree in the woods after you abandoned all of the coporate-produced trappings of modern life? Youtube is corporate created. What are you doing here?
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban who authored NAFTA? who promoted it? and wasn't it backed by republicans? I gave you the info and you stupidly ignore it. now, here is your contradiction of argument on drilling in Brazil. the Export-Import Bank of the U.S. had made a preliminary commitment to lend $2B to Brazil to purchase drilling equipment from the U.S. the bank board at the time had 3 repubs (bush appointees) and 2 dems. Obama had no appointees at the time of the unanimous vote for the loan. u fail!
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --You bitch about jobs going overseas. I don't see you objecting to Obama's moratorium on oil drilling in the Gulf while giving billions to Brazil so they can drill. Do you know how many drilling rigs have relocated to the Mediteranean under Obama? His jobs czar, Jeffrey Immelt, shifted lots of jobs overseas--where is your anger over that? He's campaigning in a brand new bus made in ...CANADA. BTW, if Walker is such a corrupt guy, why is employment/job creation up in Wi?
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban you are only partly correct about the bus. the shell was manufactured in Canada, but the bus itself was purchased through a company in Tennessee named Hemphill. the bus was outfitted with security features including communications and special support to handle the weight of all the necessary equipment. all of that was done by Hemphill in Tennessee. the bus is part of the updated fleet utilized by the Secret Service and will be used by other people besides Obama. fail #2
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban how does drilling by some company in the Gulf benefit us? if the people of the U.S. are to get lower gas prices at the pump, the government would have to have it's own oil company. oil companies are multinational and sell on the open market. riggers go where the job is. Immelt pisses me off. I love Occupy Wall Street and hate the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that endorses offshoring and outsourcing. I hate Koch brothers, Citizens United decision and lobbyists. outrage?
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --"how does drilling by some company in the Gulf benefit us?"--Simple. It creates US jobs and creates pressure on other producers to lower prices.~~"the shell was manufactured in Canada"--You made my point. The US has plenty of facilities capable of this work--The Secret Service, of all orgs, should buy US only. "who authored NAFTA"--Clinton signed it and nobody lobbied harder than he for its passage by a DEM controlled Congress. Bubba then pushed for and got the WTO--another fail.
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban you lost the point on the bus. Hemphill in Tennessee ordered the shell from Canada. That's on them, not Obama or the Secret Service. you mention NAFTA and a bunch of AFTA's. exactly who is left that voted for these anyway? t-party is a fringe lunatic group and not real grassroots. they're owned by dick armey, the koch brothers and richard melon scaife. and all the TP groups are suing each other. astroturf.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Your rant about the TEA PARTY is frivolous and unfounded. We are owned by nobody(unless you care to offer proof otherwise). We are absolutely grass roots(unless you can prove otherwise). And considering that the Tea Party drove the agenda in the landslide Democrat defeat in 2010, your claim that we are fringe is also unfounded--2012 is looking like a much larger Tea Party win. Notice how you Occutards trash every venue and break the law--but the Tea Party is a clean lawful group?
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban you're owned by the likes of dick armey, koch brothers and the republicans who hijacked you for their own purpose. bachmann, perry, cain are all pandering to you and will push you aside just like they did to the evangelicals. you're astroturf.. corporations love people like you who helped make them an individual and allowed them to unload tons of cash into candidates coffers. you opened the door for multinational corps. to manipulate elections and politics. U R screwed
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --"unload tons of cash into candidates coffers"--Oh, like the $650million that the unions pumped into Obama and the DNC in 2008? Or do you mean the hundreds of millions that Corporations and Soros gave Obama in 08'? "manipulate elections"--Oh, like the black panthers carrying clubs at the polls? Or like Gore trying to cancel military absentee votes? "astroturf"--Oh, you're a parrot on Pelosi's shoulder, heh? When you Occutards cause an electoral landslide like 2010, then you can brag
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban corps give more to repubs than dems. fact. koch brothers are pouring tons of cash at repub candidates. the black panther is null and void. that was a manufactured story by your talking niblet friends at faux news. two guys is a group? you're the parrot repeating teabag propaganda.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --"the black panther is null and void. that was a manufactured story by your talking niblet friends at faux news"-- so the video I saw and the interviews with witnesses was all fabricated? You are a delusional idiot! You spouted the famous Pelosi term "astroturf"--you are the parrot who dutifully repeats hollow leftist chants. "koch brothers are pouring tons of cash at repub candidates"--And Soros is sponsoring Dems/Obama--so what? How does it feel to see these terrible stats on O?? :)
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban that story died a quick death due to the lack of credibility. 2 guys? really, 2 guys? enjoy your irrelevance. the teabag/neocon republicans are as insignificant as the evangelicals are now.
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Well, tell me occutard--How many young men with clubs does it take to scare old ladies away from the polls? Because the video I saw included some older ladies being intimidated by those thugs. Now that we have your approval, I will let the GOP know that we can place more than two--maybe three or four--young thugs with weapons at the polls to scare away Dem seniors in 2012. And like I said, when you occupunks create a landslide election, then you can talk shit about "insignificance"
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
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Mutedvox 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban you spoke of thugs keeping people from the voting booth. are you aware of what teabag/neocons are trying to do in swing states to keep people from voting or trying to make it tougher for them to vote? look at legislation they are trying to put into place; consolidating polling places, changing early voting rules, ID requirements, and a whole host of other voter suppression tactics. some integrity the teabag/neocon party has, they cheat to win. those are your thugs!
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --So showing ID to vote is voter suppression? Consolidating polling places is voter suppression? Your points are all null and void--manufactured by the tards at MSNBC. Glad to see you are honing your whining techniques--you will need them in Nov 2012. Obamas poll numbers are crashing and he will cost you the senate as well. And you will lose even more statehouse seats. You really do not understand the depth of the defeat which awaits you. Redistricting will cement those defeats. :)
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban teabag/neocons have to cheat to win. how's that you neotard!! and your relevance has already tanked along with your short bus of candidates...lol lol lol
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox Did you get training to be so stupid? Voter ID laws are rejected by democrats only. Why? FRAUD. It's simple to anybody with an IQ higher than their own height in inches.
CSK225 2 months ago
@CSK225 prove it!! you can't. you must be a midget, correlating your intelligence to your height.
Mutedvox 2 months ago
@Mutedvox haha, you got called out on voter id and you called him a midget? Excellent comeback, Pathetic liberal!
centerflank 2 months ago
@centerflank the South Carolina Supreme Court agrees that it was voter discrimination and struck it down. now who's been called out? Boo yah you pathetic teabag/neocon. Wisconsin is next!
Mutedvox 2 months ago
@Mutedvox Also, South Carolina's voter id bill had much different language than our wisconsin bill but you dont know a thing about that do you? Ignorant Lefty!
centerflank 2 months ago
@centerflank different language, same results. voter suppression. ignorant teabag/neocon. I think I hear the koch brothers calling. get back on the street.
Mutedvox 2 months ago
@Mutedvox --And YES, Clinton had plenty of help and support from treacherous Republican thugs like Gingrich, Boehner, Hastert, Dole, etc.-- G W Bush is a mildly retarded man-child who had no business managing anything more complex than a hot dog cart. But none of the aforementioned Republicans are conservatives--not one! Real conservatives never voted for or supported NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO--and notice that not one of those RINO's has the support of the Tea Party--a group of true conservatives.
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney and Mexican President Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. Before it became law, Clinton came to office in U.S., Campbell then Chretien in Canada. For: House 132rep 102dem For: Senate 34rep 27dem
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Clinton lobbied both parties prior to passage and CLINTON SIGNED IT after it passed in a DEM controlled Congress--case closed! "Hemphill in Tennessee ordered the shell from Canada. That's on them, not Obama or the Secret Service"--WRONG--all govt purchases are subjected to supply chain scrutiny AND the Secret Service AND OBAMA had the option to insist that only American made products be used since Obama used this bus to rally a "buy American" theme--my point is his hypocricy.
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban you don't bother to read. that is your problem not mine. I gave you the info and you prefer to remain ignorant. good luck!
Mutedvox 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Hey, I understand your frustration, Occutard. Obama is dragging your party down with him and support for him is cratering in every single group you can imagine. 2010 was carnage for Dems and you also lost Kennedys and Weiners seats--who'd a thunk it?--Obama's new campaign slogan--"I thought we could"---2012--(_x_)
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@smokethosetaliban I understand yours. you're being pimped out by your party. they don't think you even deserve what they get. they back away from their own plans when Obama tries to implement them. think they are looking out for you? that's why they like people like you. the ignorant are easy to manipulate and TP fits the bill. you're so filled with TP stupidity you can't even see that Occupy Wall Street is working for you. read, stop listening to faux news and those talking niblets
Mutedvox 4 months ago
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@Mutedvox --Let's recap Obama's drop in support among key groups--Latinos 67% to 48%--Blacks who strongly approve 83% to 58% in just 5 mos.--Jews 80% to 45%--Women 70% to 41%--
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Independents(THIS WILL DOOM HIM) 52% to 30%(Gallop)--Seniors 45% to 30%--Young voters 75% to 46%--Whites 56% to 36%--2008 Obama voters 100% to 69%...down11% since June.
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Only 33% of Democrats believe his economic program is working...down from 60% in January. Did you see that Jewish stat? Jews accounted for more than half of the personal contributions to the DNC in 08'. Not this time. NY distrct 9, Weiners fmr playground, is heavily Jewish and Democrat, but when they elected a GOP guy in Sept, Obama polled at just 43% approval.--2012 is going to be a real pillow-biter for you Occutards --(_x_)
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --Isn't it interesting that Tea Party participants clean up after themselves, rebuke intolerance of ethnic and minority groups, and go back to work on Monday. But you Occutards squat in squalor, crap in public, destroy public property, chant anti-semetic slogans, shout down opposing views, break the law enmasse and get arrested, disrupt local businesses, trash your venues, advocate violence(SanFran),and never leave because you are unemployed militant Marxist hippies.
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
@Mutedvox --So Walker is corrupt, heh? Why is it that school districts across Wi are now finally able to switch to new Health Ins plans saving millions of dollars when before, the >>UNION OWNED<< health plan was costing so much more? Did you know that the union is being investigated for this corruption? Have you looked at the budget deficits Walker inherited vs the balanced budget he has achieved. Is spending taxpayer dollars wisely and balancing the budget REALLY an act of corruption to you??
smokethosetaliban 4 months ago
I didn't see a single gray hair of wisdom in this crowd.
Socialism only works when every country on the planet is socialized. That's a quote from Lenin by the way. These kids were too young when the USSR fell in 1989. They really should read some books of their own choosing, rather than books chosen for them.
mayej 4 months ago
Physically flawed, self conscious - yep. Socialists.
donnely138 5 months ago
these fools do not realize they are the first ones to die as a result of their socialist's leaders actions. obama, bush and etc... could give a damn about these little pawns on the battlefield. when the economy crashes and the food lines run dry these intellects are done. they cannot do or produce anything. do not fear these people.
FleeFROMItchingEARS 5 months ago
RETARDED people who never experienced socialism or communism, to see it's horrors!
johnymetalman2002 5 months ago
Leeches on society.
TheCapitalistdog 5 months ago
Im American born and raised , my father descended from trinidad and tobago , he came to this great nation of ours , to give us freedom for me my brothers .
Dont understand why they are people who dont like what AMAERICA StandS for . THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET OUT OF AMERICA AND GO LIVE FIDEEL CASTRO R CHAVEZ
1jzgte27 5 months ago
@1jzgte27 No you don't leave! America was made for you! Thank you for enriching us, with your LEGAL entry into this country! You are absolutely right in your comment! We must defeat socialism at all costs!
jamieg1tube 4 months ago
GET THE FUC OUT OF AMERICA , IF DONT LIKE WHAT WE STAND FOR
1jzgte27 5 months ago
@1jzgte27 You leave. You have no entitlement here either. Are you a Native Americian? Who the hell are you??
CComb501 5 months ago
IDIOTS!!!!
starandanchor 5 months ago
This only happens when Plutocrats actively attempt to turn the US into a third-world nation.
burgercide 5 months ago
Why do all Socialist have such bad Teeth?
MrTraceMan 5 months ago
@MrTraceMan My teeth are fine
adiosucks123 5 months ago
@MrTraceMan They all have the same dental plan...
CComb501 5 months ago
America has been enjoying Socialized Mediums for over 100 years now! Like, the bailout of failed banks, known as CORPORATE SOCIALISM!
deeppurple28 5 months ago
@deeppurple28 Great job at being completely wrong.
adiosucks123 5 months ago
@adiosucks123 Actually yeah you're right and I'm wrong! Its not 100 years that this country has been enjoying Socialism for! Oh no, This country has been enjoying Socialized Mediums since the Adoption of the US Constitution!
deeppurple28 5 months ago
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@deeppurple28 What the fuck are you babbling about?
adiosucks123 5 months ago
Socialism isn't a bad thing...America is turning into a white trash nation of drunken uneducated racist child molesting religious nut bags....I am ashamed of America...I think the white trash who are destroying are country and hijacking the politics with their nonsense and their payoffs from the koch bros, and go to Texas and secede. They can start a Christian Iran....we need to get rid of the stupid white trash cancer thats is destroying america and murdering people in the middle east for oil.
RobVanMeter 5 months ago 2
@RobVanMeter You can't stand it can you? America has awakened to the socialist menace! And you are part of that menace, you socialist loser! Socialism isn't a bad thing? Tell that to the escapees from prison # 14, if you even know what that is, you ignorant fuck! You should know what it is; it's part of your socialist utopia, moron! Nah, America is now waking up and you are on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY! As socialism always has been. No one believes your propaganda (your comment) anymore.
jamieg1tube 4 months ago
A public employee, a socialist? SHOCK! If I had my way, it would be illegal for self-identified socialists to receive monies except through purely free and voluntary means.
twk373 5 months ago
Does anyone know? Communism/Socialism DOESN'T WORK!
ziggyboi1995 5 months ago
@ziggyboi1995 Free market capitalism seems to be doing pretty good.
JandritoBlues 5 months ago
@ziggyboi1995 No the don't know but they will when we clean obama's office out
xokevo11 5 months ago
That is loosing game for the private sector...as she say "I'm a public employee and a lot of our member are" So she take by force/coercion her salary from the private sector and use her time to get more money from the taxpayers.
And the private sector??it has to come up w/gold to feed himself and to pay her salary.
I don't know but I think this Goose (the private sector) will not live for long.
sincity147 5 months ago
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smokethosetaliban 5 months ago
fuck the godammned socialist-- socialism is slavery--- WALKER 2 --UNIONS 0
100crawma 6 months ago
I really love dismembering liberal arguments as I have here--they ALWAYS end up running away leaving a vapor trail>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----------------------
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977-- see "Rutherfordium" to learn the truth about that of which you speculate wildly...they didn't name it "Governmentium 104"....go find out why.....AND GUESS WHAT>> in similar fashion, you reached faulty conclusions about our moon landing & early computers
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --"It was taxpayer dollars that split the atom and created nuclear energy and nuclear weaponry"--In similar fashion, you improperly credit govt when decades of critical research and scientific discovery by the >>>private sector<<< predated the govt's involvement and laid the necessary groundwork--
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --" It was taxpayer dollars that eradicated smallpox"--Almost everything you say requires correction. It is more accurate to say that taxpayer dollars were used to distribute vaccinations for smallpox AFTER THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR--just like polio. If a waitress brings you an outstanding meal, do you say "send my regards to the ...waitress?" The private sector is the chef and govt is and ought to be support staff for that chef.
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --"Are you aware that Salk considered his vaccine to be the property of the entire world and signed over control of his vaccine to the United Nations?"--no, I wasn't aware of that, but it cuts against your belief that the private sector needs govt involvement to deliver great benefit to citizens AND it further undermines your faulty contention that "taxpayer dollars eradicated polio". It serves as a prime example that our private sector is what makes us great--not govt--thanks
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 -" I stated that taxpayer dollars paid for the vaccination programs that eradicated polio using the already existing vaccine"--REALLY?--here's the exact quote from you>>>" It was taxpayer dollars that eradicated polio"<<<...oooops...you just can't help yourself, can you? Deception, hyperbolie, and outright lies are the coin of your realm. So in your mind, the govt get's more credit than Salk for erradicating polio just because they took his discovery and dispersed it? BRILLIANT!!
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 Actually, you are wrong--the polio vaccine was wellunderway and merely recieved a boost from govt funding--AND--Ditto nuclear energy. "Every major leap in human progress has occured under government sponsorship"--this statement is patently false--a great many of the most stunning developments in technology and medicine occured with absolutely no govt funding or involvement--just because you proclaim it doesn't make it so--and Keynesian theory has no record of success...EVER
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --And BTW, the private sector singlehandedly delivered the vast majority of the innovations I mentioned earlier. Those that you mention DO prove that govt can do great things in cooperation with a thriving private sector, but not without it(see the USSR as an example). I assure you that I could smother you in a mountain of private sector innovations for every single govt achievement you could offer--in fact I already have...just look back...
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --yes--and it was the private sector that provided inumerable contributions to everything you listed. Hoover Dam required private concrete co's and private engineers--highways were contracted out to PRIVATE roadbuilders--NASA relied HEAVILY on thousands of PRIVATE co's to supply parts/materials--polio vaccine owed it's development to private labs and lab equipment as well--nuclear tech could not have happened w/out countless private suppliers--ditto computers--nice try, though...
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --YEP--I like my definition of "fail"--keep a box of tissues on hand...sniffles:-)
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --unions nationwide are taking it on the chin
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --GOP is still in charge in the state congress
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --school districts saving big bucks having escaped the corrupt, overcharging union health ins plan--
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@Rfriddle1977 --Walker is still there with growing approval--budget is now balanced--employment growing--
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
Democratic socialism = democracy in the work place
It's gonna happen, one way or the other.
Long live socialism!
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --"It's gonna happen, one way or the other"--Ok, so Wi voters have rejected "Democratic socialism" and the recall is a fail, so what is "the other way" you warn of? Violence and revolution? Please explain how it will happen since the first "way" has failed. AND, since Wi voters have rejected "Democratic Socialism" through the political process, IF you get your wish by some other means, how would you define that as "Democratic"? BTW, Wi budget is balanced--employment is rising
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban There's never been a vote on democratic socialism, so I don't know what you're talking about. And civil disobedience and resistance are the best ways to bring change in a system that doesn't respect the people. And democratic socialism means democracy in the work place and co-operative labour and universal public services.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --you're a deeply confused kid on a perfect track to contribute absolutely nothing to society. "Long live socialism!"--yeah, well not in Europe, kid--they are running for the door as their socialism collapses--Canadians are backing away from it--Americans ain't buyin it--Cubans risk their lives to escape it--but you go ahead and keep the dream alive...LOL
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban No, I know a lot of Europeans, and they're all wanting an end to corporatism and demanding democratic socialism for the future. Canada has hardly any socialism, and what they do have was imported from the US in the early 20th century. And we all know that Americans are far behind the rest of the world intelligence-wise. And I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there, American's make up fantasies about how horrible it is there.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --"No, I know a lot of Europeans, and they're all wanting an end to corporatism and demanding democratic socialism for the future"--yeah, that's why every country except one in Europe has elected conservative leaders who are ushering in austerity--the Europeans you "know" are clearly the misguided young moochers like yourself. "Canada has hardly any socialism"--natl healthcare and world leading welfare proves the folly of your BS.
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --"what they do have was imported from the US in the early 20th century"--this also is a lie since natl healthcare and cradle to grave welfare didn't exist in the US in the early 20th century. "And we all know that Americans are far behind the rest of the world intelligence-wise"--right! that's why we brought airplanes and cars to the world--brought electrification and computers to the world--lead the world in high-tech medicine--invented nuclear technology--
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere >>thats why we invented mass production(kickstarting the industrial revolution), refrigeration, air cond, combine harvester(allowing us to feed the world, anesthesia, rotary printing press, telegraph & telephone, repeating rifle, phonograph, photography, solar cell, dissolvable pill, radio, radar, frozen food, fiberglass, nylon, teflon, acrylics, microwave, polio vac, EEG's, MRI's, Chemo, art. heart, CPR, recombinant DNA, DEET, Defibrillator, barcode, industrial robots, LASERS>
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere >>More contributions from "dumb" Americans>>INTERNET, every computer programming language, carbon fiber, integrated circuts, microprocessors, GPS, communication satellites, LED's, LCD displays, cordless phones, CD's, DVD's, digital cameras, oil drilling, google, facebook, ebay, wikipedia, youtube, intergalactic probes, mars rovers, optical space telescopes...and on and on and on--BTW, why don't you start compiling a list of Marxist and Cuban achievements and we'll compare...LOL
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --"And I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there"--two lies in one short sentence. You should start removing all vestiges of modern civilazation from your dwelling--turn off your puter, shut off the electric, strip off your clothes since we pioneered modern textiles and the cotton gin, and go out into the woods and eat roots and berries and wipe your commie ass with tree bark because we invented toilet paper also....
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere BTW, KARL, almost every single innovation I listed was created in the US PRIVATE SECTOR for >>>PROFIT<<<....OOOOOH MY GOD!!!! Evil nasty profiteers have done more to improve the lives of humans than any other entity...it's like a nightmare for you, heh??? And Cuba has contributed.................cigars...... and refugees risking their lives to escape
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban Do you have a mental condition or something? Seriously? I have been to Cuba, last year in May. You clearly know on the inside that you have a stupid argument, and therefore you make stupid statements like "BTW, KARL, almost every single innovation I listed was created in the US PRIVATE SECTOR for >>>PROFIT<<<....OOOOOH MY GOD!!!! Evil nasty profiteers have done more to improve the lives of humans than any other entity...it's like a nightmare for you, heh??? "
LOL, fail.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --that's what I thought, Karl--You are helpless to defend your BS. Sure is a shame...I was really looking forward to an explanation of Marxist achievements. Oh Well...BTW, I said two lies in one sentence, dumbfuck--that would be--"It's a nice place and the people like it there". You really are a fucking imbecile...LOL
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere-I know you decided to disappear after I uprooted your marxist propoganda, but do you remember this?-"I've been to Cuba. It's a nice place and the people like it there?--well, kid, go to AP and read the article about an American aid worker who has just recieved effectively a life sentence for handing out cell phones--they are illegal in your paradise--he has lost 100lbs in incarceration--his trial and appeals were secret--of course--and now he will wait to die in a Cuban prison
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban I wasn't aware you had responded, and no, it wouldn't be the first time a propaganda story was made about Cuba. Most of which in the past, which sound very similar, have been completely debunked. Cuban people are very friendly and have told me that socialism isn't the problem there, but the blockade leads to economic woes. They have different political parties and a representative central government, despite what propaganda preaches about a single-party dictatorship.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --I guess the thousands upon thousands of refugees who risked their lives to flee--that was all faked, right?--and cuban doctors sent abroad who routinely apply for asylum--that is faked, right?. You say--"Cuban people are very friendly and have told me that socialism isn't the problem there"--So you went there and polled Cubans about how they like Marxism? You are a liar--
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban I was in Cuba in a group for the May Day celebrations part of the WFDY, and I got to talk to several people about global issues in a large forum. People risk there lives to come to the US from Mexico. I guess that means capitalism is a failure too, right? The majority of people know that they probably won't find much success in US capitalism so they try to uphold and advance their socialism, despite the blockade. And Cuba has a very developed first-rate medical system.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere "People risk there lives to come to the US from Mexico'--do they? Last I heard, it was very easy--just walk on across the border--we have water stations set up for them if they get thirsty and we have welfare, healthcare, education, and jobs ready for them when they arrive. Doesn't sound nearly as risky as sneaking into a small boat for fear of being killed by your own govt and then crossing the Gulf to get here--if the currents bring you the right direction.
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban Clearly you're clueless to the hardships people south of the border go through to make it here. And the Cuban people know first hand that it is a blockade, because the US doesn't trade with Cuba and imposes total economic sanctions.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere -Cuban healthcare myth debunked>>Cuban defector Dr. Leonel Cordova told the New York Times about his experience practicing in Cuba, "[E]ven if I diagnosed something simple like bronchitis... I couldn't write a prescription for antibiotics because there were none."[A] survey carried out in pharmacies late last year [in 2000] by the local [Cuban] magazine Bohemia failed to find 211 of the medicines included on the official list of products produced to attend to the health "...
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban Fail, and i'm not going to bother to explain and source why, because you're just too wrapped up in glenn beck/fox news paranoia to get any sense through and it's getting annoying. goodbye.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --"In Cuba there exists TWO health care systems,"21 explains U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), who fled Cuba with her family to the United States when she was seven years old.22 "[O]ne [care system is] for tourists, as well as Communist Party officials, and another for Cubans, who are forced to take with them even the most basic necessities when visiting a Cuban hospital; even aspirins are scarce."
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --Lourdes Garcia-Navarro of National Public Radio reported:
[S]peaking privately... some Cuban patients and doctors say the system has been feeling the strain of treating the Venezuelans in their home country and on the island. Doctors say that there's a shortage of trained specialists. Most Cuban doctors now they say become general physicians and forego specialized training because what is needed in Venezuela are community doctors.
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago
@smokethosetaliban Could you just stop..? I could give a response, but you're just giving me anti-cuban spam.
michaelwuzthere 6 months ago
@michaelwuzthere --according to a group of 18 exiled Cuban doctors. The doctors made their personal views clear in a joint letter in 1997:
We remain mystified as to why people of ordinarily good will and faith would seek to find fault with the United States for the disastrous situation inside Cuba, while failing to direct the blame squarely where it belongs - at the feet of Fidel Castro, who continues to rule our country with an iron fist after 38 years in power
smokethosetaliban 6 months ago