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  • super bısey ya

  • why do you drill holes in the crankshaft and put set screws in?

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  • This stuffs all really impressive and I'm sure it takes a lot of talent, but how'd you get nearly a million views!!!! I guess I should be happy people werent watching videos about how Justin Bieber feels about foreign policy, or what Michelle Obama's wearing on her many vacations.

  • The best machine of World ....!!!!.....

  • is that a crankshaft?

  • very cool

  • I did similar and more complex operations on different machines. Especially on WFL Millturn machines M40, M60, and M120. I do not understand why they are not using a steady. In this case you have too much force on the quill and the center and the crankshaft will bend. Now I do operator and programmer training as a business because a lot of companies needing help on such complicated parts.

  • il a reussit a réalisé un vilbrequin en 2 min o O

  • quite sensible technology! Good video!

  • mazak all the way!!!

  • ughh dry.. need wet

  • how much is the machine and what can you do other than what i saw?

  • Was the Jaw of the spindle custom made or standard fixture from the company ??

  • search 911tyrone, he has a great machine shop

  • Demizerone - no one probably wants your "piece of junk" because you made it a piece of junk. Stop crashing your machines and you won't think it's junk. Show me a better machine in the MTM category in the same price range. Keep in mind this machine is probably close to 10 years old.

    And no, this is not HSM.

    And no, they are built in japan only

  • @MazakApplications backing you up but you dont need much any way . a 200y is very easy to crash hence you need a very gd turner miller too run one . CNC laths are easy to crash over machine centers fact . you have to remember to much in the 200 y 5 axis in regards the tool carousel , after a yr jobbing one off work had a enough on the 200y not paid enough and not a single crash .

  • A little insight since many people have many strange comments.

    IIRC this is penske racing. No it is not perfectly balanced, it does go for grinding after. It is a full race crankshaft, it is machined from billet rather than cast, more than likely a one off crankshaft.

  • So, is that crankshaft perfectly balanced?

  • very very good work on a very good machine! respect!

  • We have one of these machines at work. Biggest piece of junk ever invented. We are trying to sell it, but no one wants to buy it.

  • who makes these machines....im guessing Italy

  • is this considered HSM??

  • les vilibrequins sont aussi forger puis usinés et rectifier en fintion sans oublier les traitements thermiques mais la cn peut tout faire et ne parlons plus de tour et fraseuses cn voila

  • This is an unusual job. Crankshafts are often cast then machined on large cylindrical grinding machines.

  • @douro20 It is just to see what can you do with this machine, everybody knows how to make a crankshaft. Shit.

  • this the best meachinig in this history i like him very much

  • The finish pass with the synchronized motion is pretty cool. The drill cycle was cool too.

  • this program is very long

  • I dont think your right about depleted uranium, it becomes radioactive again when impacting an object or being fired from a cannon. Thats why all the destroyed tanks in iraq are "hot" with radiation.

  • pecking with a thru-coolant drill? nay!

  • I don't like the ound the tools were making. It was too chattery.

  • "Oh my goodness. Shut me down! Machines making machines. Hmm. How perverse."

    ―C-3PO

  • I think I say something similar to this in a movie... I think it was a horror :)

  • Painfully slow, and them drills look like they would be outperformed by HSS. Get the Mitsubishi MPS on there 40D drills are world beaters.

  • Inox ?

  • tooooooo slow!!!!!

  • Tungsten sabot rounds willl become blunt when penetrating a very strong armor but Depleted Uranium sabot rounds just self-sharpens themselves and continues penetrating through through the armor. If someone could find a way to use Depleted Uranium in such a way as to render it safe to be used as a cutting tool bit then it will beat cemented tunsgten carbides by many orders of magnitude. Think of it, a perfect self-sharpening Depleted Uranium-based cutting tool bit that will last for many years.

  • Depleted uranium is about as toxic as lead; if it was useful for cutting tools it would already be in use.

    Uranium is soft, even when suitably alloyed. The kind of self-sharpening you are refering to in uranium rounds is not sharpening like in sharpening a knife; it's sharpening as in when impacting a tank at supersonic speeds it will keep its mass behind a small focused point instead of spreading out as it penetrates the armor.

  • @darthvader5300 The fact that there is more than 1 darthvader out there is troubling. I am surprised that you didn't mention tirilium carbonic alloys as used by buzz lightyear.

  • Using advanced tungsten alloy carbide cutting tips can even help speed things up by 5 times. Cemented tungsten carbide tips were used by Germany during the pre-war years which explains why they are able to rapidly re-arm themselves. America at the time used only producing grinders which explains her rapid military WW II build-up, what took milling and honing and other machine tool operations 40 hrs to accomplish America did it in 3.5 hrs. Germany used cemented tungsten carbides to achieve it.

  • Forging is in most cases stronger than Billet.

  • Yeah thats right.

    Car parts which deal with alot of strain are often forged rather then machined from billet.

  • @Tommiclio

    Why not have those machined parts carborised ? Case hardenning will increase toughness.

  • @smfarazm

    Makes them very brittle. and they under go a tremendous amount of strain.

    I guess you mean Temper them as apposed to "carbonised"

  • @smfarazm

    The press forging process used to make cranks work hardens the metal, making it stronger. Carborising it will only create a hard outer layer, making it resistant to crack formation only.

  • @omarxism2

    Well to be honest i have never come across the term "cartmonising" Temperd steel is hardend and very strong but not as flexiable as mild steel.

    Is temperd steel the same and "carbonised"?

  • @Tommiclio Well carborising is only a surface hardenning process which makes a part resistant to scratches and notches which may lead to fatigue failure (crack initiation, propagation and ultimate failure) of that part. If this crankshaft was made of mild steel (suitable machining material) and then carborised it would still not be suitable for use in automobiles as it will would deform easily during operation unlike tempered steel.

  • @omarxism2 How is the process done?

  • @Tommiclio , well they take the part and heat it in a furnace with an atmosphere of carbon-monoxide and hydrogen/nitrogen. The high temperature causes carbon to diffuse into the surface of the part. The depth of diffusion is controlled by the temperature and the percentage composition of the atmosphere in which the part is heated. Btw you wouldnt happen to know whether that CNC programming concepts book by Mike Lynch is any good or not ?

  • @Tommiclio you can forge the billet, then machine

  • Job shop owners and machine tool operators will be talking about this new CNC from Siemens.

    The CNC EyeTeam has just broken the story. Ive copied their news video on my YouTube page.

  • this is a really great machine, however machining a crank.....think about the right tool for the job, i can see a mori doing all the turning, and a 4th axis mill finishing the rest, after all 2 machines = to cutting heads at once and its absolutely rigid, think "the right tool for the job" unless your the guy who uses a spatula as a crap scooper too then go for it. of course most of you would probably disagree... then again most r running H@@$ rolmfao!

  • You have to determine if part transferring and fixturing and cost of fixturing defeats productivity of two spindles running at once. For short runs, it might.

  • More video will be upload!!

  • @cncpr0 Reverbarations from deep space !

  • The cutting tool it is expensive, but you need to remember you only buy it one time, and use it for more job, the tool will pay for it self.

  • How you crashed? tomirider

  • I think that this is not the way to make a crankshaft. I think that to start from a cilinder intails the need to cut a big amount of material. It's better to star from a cast-iron crankshaft and get it well-finished.

  • It comes down to total cost. Cast-iron cranks are FORGED after casting, both operations need a mold, the forging an expensive one, and the hydraulic-press on top of that. Not to mention the need for 2 re-heats of the material. This costs money. The bar (cylinder) is heated/poured/pressed/rolled in one operation, and is MUCH stronger (and cheaper) because of this, thus the crank needs less material. The 'waste' metal is remelted along with the new molten metal being prepared in the foundary.

  • ok, if you want make one or two units, i agree with you. But if you want produce a big number of crankshafts, start from cast irons ruduce the global cost. And then, the mold used to a crankshaft is reusable and isn't such complicated as engine mold. i'm sure that the crankshaft of your car has made from cast iron crankshaft.

  • and one thing more, the cutting tools used in the CNC machine, are very expensive.

  • fully machined crankshafts are MUCH better than cast. they have better mechanical properties and can be produced out of higher quality materials. Cutting a one off part such as this is much cheaper than pouring moulds, heat treat and finish machining and grinding. Also, this is a FULL RACE application being shown. This is more than likely Penske racing producing this crank, as they machine one off or short run crankshaft production for racing applications.

  • I crashed this kind of Mazak. The axis were all crooked after the big crash. No wounder I get fired after that haha :D

  • Nice mill turn station.. I love that drill bit!!  50xD or what?! AND coolant thru! Awesome!!!

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  • I can imagine about 80% of the way through:

    "A fatal exception 0E has occurred. Please press any key to continue" (BSOD style)

  • aguante novillo

  • Cycle time?

  • how close to being balanced could this be directly out of the machine? is there any further need for balancing after this and I would imagine it would need to be ground also. any thoughts?

  • They are not using coolant so you can see the video. sheesh.

  • Probably diamond and carbide tooling on a high speed or tool steel, or an exotic alloy.

  • Lubricant? No lubricant? Seriously?

  • depending on the material being machined, juice is not always necessary when using carbide cutters

  • Actually with some insert grades using 'juice' will *kill* inserts very fast.

  • my cad

  • that sound at 0:19 is evil

  • Why aren't they using cooling fluid?

  • super cool

  • aluimunim or steel or hardern steel

  • for a crank shaft??? steel at least, most likely to be a pretty hard steel to

  • hi con,

    thank explain

  • The corporation I used to work for had only 1 CNC machine. I was amazed that they used one of the most back asswards guys in our department to operate it. We are talking numbskull.

  • Probably because they spent a ton of money and time training him to use it properly and didn't find out until later that he was a dumb ass kook.

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  • Hi from slovakia.

    Cool, I used to work at 400Y, we did camshafts and crankshafts, roughing, semifinishing and finishing after hardening...., grinding, balancing... a lot of operations-a piece of art, everything on Integrexes! Just amazing machine.

  • this is all well and good, but this is dead trade in the united states. we dont even sponsor apprentices any more! The jobs dont pay either. I can make more driving a truck for ups! I have been in the trade for 35 years and have seen it go down the tubes. You always hear industry cry about not being able to get good help, they dont want to pay you! Go be a librarian! more money, no night,swing shifts, and no little chinese guy named "How Soon" following you around!

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  • I'm laughing my arse off @ "How Soon"

    I agree with you though, it's not a trade to get into if your looking to make a lot of money. Machinist/ Tool and Die/ Tool Maker Apprentices here in Toronto are being payed little over minimum wage and have minimal job security... even after completing community college diplomas.

  • Exactly! A machinist use to be a respectable career. They use to be paid highly, and were in demand. To think, a human being use to do this job. Now with CNC technology, a machinist has been reduced to the level of a monkey that simply presses the "go" button.

  • a production machinist, yes, but if you have the intelligence, imagination, and drive to become a tool maker (not apprentice) instead of a green button pusher, the job pays, you work first shift, and/or set your own hours based on what needs to be done

  • you dont know what youre talking about. Im 24 years old, I am the programmer/setup/operator for our Integrex 400st and the lead programmer for my shop. I make $37.40 an hour in Alberta. a far cry from a little over minimum wage. You have to be good for one. and for two, you have to know what you are talking about. Ive programmed and machined multiaxis milling and turning, simultaneous turning and boring, mill turning, multi workpiece jobs, macros and you name it. You have to be GOOD. Period.

  • that was a reply to the "laughing at how soon" post.

    ps. There are a lot of inserts that shouldnt use coolant in the first place, but they are more than likely doing it to show the damn video. come on. use your heads

    its amazing how many armchair master machinists there seem to be around here posting comments. like the machinists are button pushers and such. believe me from a management standpoint, if youre no good... then youre a button pusher. if youre good, then you get to do good jobs

  • What part of AB?

    Can you teach me?

  • Message me for details, i can help you out, but i cant guarantee you a job. what kind of experience do you have? You should have some programming experience, as well as very good level of experience in both mill and lathe setup. Heavier on the lathe. and experience with mazatrol control.

  • @MazakApplications I am a machinist in southern illinois. I have always wanted to go to school to learn how to program and operate any and all cnc machines.

    However,I do not have the money for education in the art of machining.

    Although I am guite good at manual machining, I was wondering where you got your education. Did you pay for it, or were you lucky enough to work for a company that trained you?...Like the good ol days.

  • @jtjjbannie I attended two separate colleges, but I did mostly manual machining, I am a mechanical technician -toolmaking, journeyman machinist, certified cnc programmer-mastercam, certified cnc installer-mazak. I worked for a mastercam dealer and a mazak dealer as applications/service engineer. At my shop we have integrex 400st, integrex e-420hst, several cybertech turn 4500m, vtc-800 30sr 5 axis mill, and 2 quick turn nexus 450my lathes. We are also buying an integrex e650hs soon.

  • @MazakApplications As impressive as that is, you still diddn't answer the question.

    HOW did you get your education?

    Was it given to you? Did you go thru an apprenticeship? Or did you have to pay for it yourself?

    Don't be a dick, I just want to learn more.

  • @jtjjbannie How am I being a dick? If you read my comment you would see that I did answer your question. 1) I went to college = I paid for education, 2) I am a journeyman machinist = I did an apprenticeship, 3) I worked for major software and machine dealers = I was sent for training therefore I guess some was given to me. I worked very hard to get the exerience I have.

  • @MazakApplications Sorry for calling you a dick.

    And thanks for the clairification. You are very fotunate that you were given the opportunity to go to school.

    I came from a dirt poor family and a higher education was out of the question. And unfortunately there are very few machine shops that will give an apprenticeship these days.

  • @jtjjbannie For you being a dick you have to put all your time and effort to learn about this machines. If you want to know how to use them, first you have to find a job with Mazak machines, you can being to learn Mazatrol, is easy to learn and use. Five axis is another thing, you need to pay to learn this.

  • @MazakApplications Hey man, I remember that I promise you a Patron's tequila bottle.

  • @MazakApplications I'm 26 and just discovered what a CNC Machinist/Programmer is and I believe you. I'm starting training in November. Where did you train?

  • A demo of something that is better done by individual machines I think. But can be 'Done In One' (sigh). Except it's all made in china now, by 100 men with files in 10 days. (for 10p)

    Please enjoy the recession,

    P.S. Don't ever let the apprentice use one, cos if he bangs it (like mine did), the spindles fail and cost 11 grand. Be careful! I find 640 better on graphics than matrix too, (easier to setup) anyone else find that?

  • lol... you let an apprentice use a 5 axis machine?

    Your fault......

  • nice one i have 1of these stocked in my shop with 5/8 wide bearing steel pubs with an echo axe configuartion with a knolley grinding permathic lever

  • im work on this machine. it is 10 years old and still good.good system 640 , good machine, japan maschine.

  • MAZAK假仔D机。

  • When the Americans going to let go of the Imperial system? Get with the times!

  • more impressive thing is how much one of these things would cost, and how long they would take to make, im guessing that, that thing could make anything out of a peice of metal giving the fact its the right size?

  • shoo i could make that on a bench grinder in 15 minutes!! hahaha just kiddn.

  • the chattering and squealing is probably because they arent using coolant in the beginning for display

  • at 0:18 chattered lol! Very expensive process

  • A forged crankshaft still requires machining after forging. The forged version may also be stronger, so "almost as good as a billet crank" is not always true.

    Machining from solid is the only way to go for prototyping. In fact, the added cost of materials and machining time for one-off parts pales in comparison the cost of the rest of the project (design and testing).

  • what is the hole drilled for?

  • If this was a crankshaft for an actual vehicle the oil would flow through it to lubricate the bearings.

  • The hole is for lubrication (oiling)

  • Class

  • I was very impressed: speed of 2,000rpm. And I thought 1,000rpm was fast on industrial mill.

  • i have all ways wounderd how a cracnk shaft was made

  • SPOKO

  • nice video

  • Very skillfully programmed and set-up!

    Greets outta MCE@AUT!

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    We specialized in cnc milling,cnc turning adn 5-axis milling.we also supply products at our customer's request.

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  • Cool Overall video that walks you through CNC.

    Ivan

  • that is amazing! i thought my machines were complex but they can't do anything like this.

  • thats one awesome machine! i work on engines with crankshafts 10m long also machined by robots but i think the 1 lathe doing all the work... just awesome =) cheers

  • Thats awesome!!!

  • Coolant is intended to cool the workpiece so warping this shaft is not an issue, depending on tail body pressure. And as for V tech, that is alloy steel and you can't be too hasty with depth of cut and feeds, dumbass. I have been programming this type of machinery for 8yrs. and I find that people know less about machining than any other profession.

  • How long would it take to set up and program the sequence to make this? I would imagine that the machine would have no idea how to make this if a CAD drawing was thrown at it.

  • don't you need a support to prevent piece bending?

  • Thanks for video of high tech

  • komo q no hay si hay tornos cnc centro de mecanizados fresadoras cnc

  • ok espero que pronte en peru se pueda trabajar en lo que es trono cnc y los trabajos serian en serie gracias me facina lo que tenga que ver conb torno

  • oye en peru no hay maquinas cnc jeje aca en chile si hay de hecho yo estoy estudiando eso torno y fresadora cnc y tambien torno combencional y frasa xD que bueno que te guste somos 2 :) chao salu2

  • how about the price? I can buy one in china ?

  • put it in vtec mode it will be like supercharged

  • Not amazing, the only good thing about this machine is the reduction of idle time between oprations, other than that its a normal cnc opration.

  • Amazing!!!

  • that is amazing.

  • thats the sickest piece of work ive seen so far ..im just curious to know how much time they took to program the machine...

  • if you want to see really sick videos then search for "matsuura cnc" ^^

  • perfect

  • i love watching cnc, relaxing

  • cool mecanic industrial

  • fuk thats good

  • jdskjsk

  • I'm a student of ATEC, and I saw that the piece is very good!

    GOOD WORK!

  • Is that wanker Leon still teaching there?

  • Nope :)

  • Good machine and very good programator:)

  • respect, difficlut program

  • why?

  • La migliore al mondo!! Ottimo

  • perfect

  • fdgdfgvb

  • o acabamento nao ficou muito bom.. mais deve ser foda programar o perfil da peca

  • An entirely machined crankshaft is usable? shouldn't it be forged till formed? tnks

  • Yes its useable, the strongest cranks and machined from solid blocks of billit steel or Titanium.

  • Nice, I thought that machined were weaker than forged, tnx!

  • forgeed is stronger than cnc from a billet.

    the fiber of steel remains in forged pieces.

    cnc cuts fibers.

  • You mean Grain Structure, Solid Billit is already a tight solid grain structure, even forged cranks require finish machining. The Strongest Cranks are Machined Billit Pcs.

  • It all depends on the grade of steel, and how it's heat treated. You can work steel too much through forging, and ruin the grain too. while machining does not effect the grain at all.

  • evet güzel bir tasarım olmuş ama teloransı ne kadar

  • lol! idiot

  • lets see this machine cut inconel and hold .0002 tolerances.....

  • Why?

  • you know a cnc cant do this ... you need something else to be as precise as 0.0002" like a grind mill or ceramics tool you dumb ass

  • that is way not true.. I work on a MORI that has an accuracy and repeatability of .00001