These documents were given to Matthew Nimitz, the Greek-Macedonian name dispute envoy. According to diplomatic sources in A1, these historical facts lead Nimitz to change his position in the name dispute making it more favourable for the Macedonia side, which was immediately rejected by Athens.
“The majority of the people today don’t know that in 1920 there was such information, where during the taking of that census people were asked about their mother tongue. Those parts of the census that refer to Macedonia were never published” said Dimitrios Lithoxou from Vinozhito.
The part of the census document that survived clearly shows that two decades before Tito, Greece had recognized the Macedonian identity.
Claims that Macedonians are Bulgarians is false. Ethnographers and historians have concluded that Macedonians are a separate people. Greek claims also are undercut by historical Greek census data revealing the Macedonian language was spoken in Greece in the 1920s, counted separately from Bulgarian, Greek and Serbian. Furthermore, the Greek government in the late 1920s published, but later banned and burned, several thousand grammar books for Macedonian schoolchildren, written in Macedonian.
@FYROMSKI i am not Slav.i dont know with what they feed you in gaylada but you should stop eating that crap,it dries your brain.we put the statue of the biggest military strategist in the world.a Macedonian by origin a son of Philip the Second of Macedon(the king who humiliated the Greeks state and put them in slavery).maybe you know him couse you GAYREKS have been stealing his ACHIEVEMENTS for years now.his name was and still is 'ALEXANDER THE THIRD OF MACEDON.you get that,Macedon,not gaygreek.
even if you put all the facts and truths in front of the greeks you will not change anything..Macedonians should stick together in this fight of injustice..only Macedonians will help Macedonia..the odds are not on our side when someone else is "HELPING" us..greetings to all my sisters and brothers Macedonians..we shall rise again..
who accompanied Penthesilea to the Trojan War. Her name means "swiftness." Ainippe, an Amazon who confronted Telamon in the battle against Heracles' troops
GREEK, GREEK ......LOL....YOU CAN'T BE AN AMAZON ...
The Amazons (Greek: Ἀμαζόνες, Amazónes, singular Ἀμαζών, Amazōn) are a nation of all-female warriors in Greek mythology and Classical antiquity. In the Iliad, the Amazons were referred to as Antianeirai ("those who fight like men).
Aegea (GREEK NAME), queen of the Amazons who was thought by some to have been the eponym of the Aegean Sea.(GREEK)Ainia, enemy of Achilles and an Amazon, one of the twelve who accompanied Penthesilea to the Trojan War. Her n
ALEXANDER THE GREAT SPOKE GREEK, HE TOOK PART IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES (ONLY GREEKS COULD), EVERYTHING FOUND ABOUT HIM IS IN GREEK...........THE CONCLUSIONS ARE YOURS...
[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament] "I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute... "Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of
".... in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean." [Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament]
[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament] "I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute... "Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of
Macedonia and the Macedonians: A History (HOOVER INST PRESS PUBLICATION) Alexander was for certain Greek. His own name is Greek, meaning "he who pushes away other men". Moreover, he has said that he was a Greek, he took part in the Olympic Games (held only for Greeks) and he never used any non-Greek language during his reign and campaigns against the Persians. His Father, Philip, was Greek, and of course spoke Greek. His mother, Olympias, was also Greek and spoke only Greek.
monkey donians thieves of greek culture thieves of greek land thieves of greek history!!!!read and learn monkeys without knoweledge read yourd history if you cant!!!monkeydonia nato slaves!!!!!
also i am sorry to disapoint you but there is not even one nation in europe today to consider alexander the great non greek, not even one to consider him fyromian, but the rerally sad not even one scholar.
the really funny is the abandoned greek in 6th and 7th century, you try to fuck out history
THE LAND YOU LIVE WAS INDEED A PART OF ANCIENT MACEDONIA , BUT YOU PEOPLE ,YOUR LANGUAGE, YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR HISTORY IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE ANCIENT MACEDONIA. YOU WERE JUST A SLAVIAN NATION WITH NO BIG HISTORY UNTIL TITO PERSUADED YOU THAT YOU ARE MACEDONIANS, DECENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT. YOU NAMED YOUR YUGOSLAVIAN PROVIDENCE TO MACEDONIA AND TRIED TO STEAL A HISTORY AND AN IDENTIFICATION TO FILL THE EMPTY SPACE YOU GOT. LIVE PEACEFULLY AND REALISE WHO YOU ARE
@HaggisMacfee are you one from the group "HISTORYANS" who sended a letter to Barak Obama for this? well my friend Aleksandar Donski wrote a book bout your so called "knowlage" deninig all you so called facts.. search for it AINCENT MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEKS
@SuperDraganco [Professor Donald Kagan Yale University (USA)] "We know the ancient Macedonians were fundamentally GREEKS. That is to say they were GREEK SPEAKERS and ethnically they were GREEK". [Professor Eugene Borza, Princeton University (USA)] "The Highlanders or Makedones of the mountainous regions of Western Macedonia are derived from NORTH-WESTERN GREEK STOCK."
we are proud FYROMONKEY CHILDREN of albanobulgarian parents and we all have turkish pimps YAYYY...
our skin is more shitty than Abdulah Gul's
we dont have history and we were invented in 1992 by a tito's fart!
the whole ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD IS LAUGHING AT US BECAUSE GREEKS HAVE TONS OF PROOF ABOUT BEING THE ORIGINAL MACEDONIANS...AND WE HAVE ONLY THEIR DICK IN OUR ASSES SINCE 1913 ..
OH YEAH WE ARE PROUD..WHATS BETTER THAN A GREEK DICK??
Attention Fyromians: Most countries recognize you as "Republic of Macedonia" and recognize your nation's right to name themselves what ever they want. Those same countries wouldn't care if you wanted to name yourselves the Republic of Willy Wonka. But none of those countries believe that you have the right to hijack ancient historical figures from Greece and modern historical figures from Bulgaria just so you can create a culture.
continued , while you celebrated the tyrany of the ottomans cotinued to rape our wives and mothers and steal our daughters and sons, only to send the boys back as "yanitsari" so when a police man was killed by us we were killing our own !
Greeks say that "yanitsari" means traitor...how sad is that..
Macedonia has a right to be macedonia and macedonians to call themselves macedonians...greece neither wants the name or flag they just don't want anyone else to have it..all they have is mythogy,
@8Macedon8@8Macedon8 the magic and fantastic and lytrotic and evaggelic and charismatic ethnos of HELLENics or Hellines if it helps you phofbic apolytarchic and antagonistic miserable analphabetus has been synthesised by plethora of hellenic fylletic schemes and races at your words like Macedonians who are Hellenes and have been so through their history
Macedonia in one and unique and has been Hellenic the land of Hellenic fylletic group of Macedonias the more Hellenic group ever
@8Macedon8 yes both of you are brothers the diference is the south greece has been liberate in 2 faces the northen greece have liberate after 1912 /18 but still have areas that the are on the ex yougoslavia end albania
Truly riveting! You did a good job of raising awareness of the Greek racial animus toward the Macedonians and Muslims as well as the Genocide committed against your people. We in the U.S. are always told how liberal the Greeks are but, from their very own comments on your channel I can see you have a legitimate point! Your inclusive multicultural social just solution working with other oppressed people at the end was particularly uplifting to me.
@CalStateLAalumni ---- we dont hate MACEDONS (they are our brothers). we just even dont hate those mongols they want to steel our brothers name or their cultural. I dont think there is a genocide being for them from the GREEKS, but from them to other nations.
@CalStateLAalumni 1) i thought it was top not only great. 2) i think that u havent seen her videos. 3) MACEDONIAN? ( HAHAHAHA THAT WAS GOOD) . LADY? I DONT THINK SHE IS 1.
@CalStateLAalumni you makes a realy bic mistake the makedonians sufer both of the othomans end the bulgarians at the same time adivice of a true makedonian born end bread in edessa
@MacedonianVengeance at list i know were my ancesors come end were the have live for al this years .ofcurse the makedonias the are greeks end not slavs end what you haves to do with the makedonian area or name of the time you did not know if you are makedonian [ GREEK } or slav
@MacedonianVengeance if you live in the states then you should spell english better and not like some un educated BULGARIAN that you are. There is nothing wrong to be BULGARIAN even the first immigrants to america declared that they were ethnically BULGARIAN from Macedonia.
my poor girl , u have a right! the thing that u r not informed well is that u have right because ur country was ΕΛΛΑΣ (ΗΕLLAS) before the mongols reached Europe.
You are not very good at history. Right? You have excluded important events and you present history as you want to present it.
I have replied to all your false claims in my page. You are Slavs and not Macedonians you are the descendants of the Berziti and of the Drogobitai who invaded the balkans in the 7th century AD.
Heres a video Greek hating propagandists like yourself seemed to have missed. This is the first elected President of FYROM... saying the truth about your roots.
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992)
"Men of Athens. Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descend, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.[..] consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am ALEXANDER of MACEDON” (Herodotus 9.45)
Stop pretending being something you are not and stop misleading ppl
Let me say it is an honor to see one of our graduates working in politics and, I would like the opportunity to represent your concerns in the Office of City Council for the city of Los Angeles 14th District. Please do see my channel for what I have to offer, thank you for the privilege!
With YouTube top heavy with jingoistic and racist ranting from all sides of the issues, it’s good to see an informative well made argument supported with credible references. You have done an excellent job worthy of a respectable academic when it comes to informing the public about the legitimate grievances of Macedonia and its Torbes minority. Keep up the good work and I have yet to see anything that even comes close to the quality of your work from your ill-informed detractors!
You may think so, but what was not mentioned in the above video, was the U.S. influence in partitioning Yugoslavia. Political interest is what matters in the end, not what one believes. I am Greek, the EU's disinterest in taking in ROM, has little to do with modern Greece's veto, and more to do with the ability of the EU (particularly larger countries such as GB and France) to utilize the land in ROM as a place to train troops and test small missiles.
@PhoebusTheRisen Even as a born and raised American I know the imperialist actions of American foreign policy, even including CIA opperations in Greece against democracy. Just read Noam Chomsky but, there have been many atrocities committed by Greeks against Muslim minorities as well.
@PhoebusTheRisen Just exactly how did you find out about the antiballistic missiles in Macedonia? This will concern some of my friends still in the Air Force. Now I don’t approve of U.S. military instillations being set up all over the world and perpetuating conflict.
I am greek macedonian. The only real macedonians that walk the earth are greek by blood and culture. You on the other hand my friend are a slav that came into the region 1000 years after alexander the great which spread greek culture to the far east. You need to read persian and indian history and you will learn who the real macedonians were. I feel so sorry for you cause you have no culture. Maybe you should call yourself paionian.You speak bulgarian so maybe you should just be bulgarian!retard
48 Years ago on 21 December 1963 Greek - Greek Cypriot EOKA terror organisation under the leadership of Makarios, Greek Orthodox Church and General Grivas started the annihilation of the Turkish Cypriots. The scenes below were common place in Cyprus. Greek paramilitaries and terrorists killed hundreds of Turkish Cypriots 103 Turkish Cypriot villages were burned down over 30,000 Turkish Cypriots were made refugees and the whole of the Turkish Cypriots were forced to live in 3% of Cyprus.
The entire UN condemning Turkeys invasion of Cyprus. To this date only Turkey recognizes Norther Cyprus. Its shameful that ultra nationalists like you let your hatred of Greeks override your sense of justice.
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
Have to love the facts of this video (especially coming from someone in complete denial over their ethnic Bulgarian heritage) Come to Greece sometime and we'll help translate for you all ancient Macedonian artifacts from Greek into the Bulgarian dialect the communists renamed "Macedonian".
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, " Histories", 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
Ancient Macedonians competed as self-identifying Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries.
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These documents were given to Matthew Nimitz, the Greek-Macedonian name dispute envoy. According to diplomatic sources in A1, these historical facts lead Nimitz to change his position in the name dispute making it more favourable for the Macedonia side, which was immediately rejected by Athens.
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“The majority of the people today don’t know that in 1920 there was such information, where during the taking of that census people were asked about their mother tongue. Those parts of the census that refer to Macedonia were never published” said Dimitrios Lithoxou from Vinozhito.
The part of the census document that survived clearly shows that two decades before Tito, Greece had recognized the Macedonian identity.
MKISMK1913 1 month ago
Claims that Macedonians are Bulgarians is false. Ethnographers and historians have concluded that Macedonians are a separate people. Greek claims also are undercut by historical Greek census data revealing the Macedonian language was spoken in Greece in the 1920s, counted separately from Bulgarian, Greek and Serbian. Furthermore, the Greek government in the late 1920s published, but later banned and burned, several thousand grammar books for Macedonian schoolchildren, written in Macedonian.
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LESSON 1 Megas Alexandros was king of Macedon one of the states of Greece-Plutarch
LESSON2 ALEXANDROS IS HELLENE-Demosthenes
LESSON3 Macedonia of course is a part of Greece-Strabo
LESSON4 Megas Alexandros:
As Hellenes we should not be slaves to barbarians-Callisthenes
LESSON5 Megas Alexandros made Greece the most powerful & Glorious country in the world-Pliny the Elder
LESSON6 Macedonians spoke Greek-Titus Livius
LESSON7 For I Alexander myself am by ancient descent a Greek-(Herod. IX)
FYROMSKI 1 month ago
Macedonia was,is and forever WILL BE MACEDONIAN..
mtomislava 1 month ago
MAKEDONIA WAS IS AND ALLWAYS BE HELLENIC!!!
kostasdania 1 month ago
macedonianVengeance ,, make a video about how Muslim you are in FYROmacedonia ..
Massshala my Muslimadonki
FYROMSKI 1 month ago
@FYROMSKI hahaha..gayrek gaylada..you make a video of how Afghan people are in Hell-ass..hahahaha..afircan retard
mtomislava 1 month ago
@mtomislava you are Slav , there was never a Slavic kingdom of Macedonia .
you put up a atatue of a GAY Greek in your capital Skopjestan ..
salam
FYROMSKI 1 month ago
@FYROMSKI i am not Slav.i dont know with what they feed you in gaylada but you should stop eating that crap,it dries your brain.we put the statue of the biggest military strategist in the world.a Macedonian by origin a son of Philip the Second of Macedon(the king who humiliated the Greeks state and put them in slavery).maybe you know him couse you GAYREKS have been stealing his ACHIEVEMENTS for years now.his name was and still is 'ALEXANDER THE THIRD OF MACEDON.you get that,Macedon,not gaygreek.
mtomislava 1 month ago
@mtomislava mi SLAVA , is in your username
read below .
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FYROMSKI 1 month ago
even if you put all the facts and truths in front of the greeks you will not change anything..Macedonians should stick together in this fight of injustice..only Macedonians will help Macedonia..the odds are not on our side when someone else is "HELPING" us..greetings to all my sisters and brothers Macedonians..we shall rise again..
mtomislava 1 month ago
who accompanied Penthesilea to the Trojan War. Her name means "swiftness." Ainippe, an Amazon who confronted Telamon in the battle against Heracles' troops
GREEK, GREEK ......LOL....YOU CAN'T BE AN AMAZON ...
YOU ARE NOT GREEK..... :D
christinepeace2 2 months ago
ARE YOU PRETENDING TO BE AN AMAZON ?
The Amazons (Greek: Ἀμαζόνες, Amazónes, singular Ἀμαζών, Amazōn) are a nation of all-female warriors in Greek mythology and Classical antiquity. In the Iliad, the Amazons were referred to as Antianeirai ("those who fight like men).
Aegea (GREEK NAME), queen of the Amazons who was thought by some to have been the eponym of the Aegean Sea.(GREEK)Ainia, enemy of Achilles and an Amazon, one of the twelve who accompanied Penthesilea to the Trojan War. Her n
christinepeace2 2 months ago
ALEXANDER THE GREAT SPOKE GREEK, HE TOOK PART IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES (ONLY GREEKS COULD), EVERYTHING FOUND ABOUT HIM IS IN GREEK...........THE CONCLUSIONS ARE YOURS...
christinepeace2 2 months ago
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"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander
the Great." "We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica
Acevshka, 22 January 1999]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
MY PROFESSIONAL STANDING
DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO MAKE
CHILDREN'S VIDEOS LIKE THESE...
I WOULD MUCH RATHER DEBATE
USING HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS AND....LOL
WHAT YOUR OWN POLITICAL LEADERS HAVE
STATED IN THE PAST....
IT SEEMS YOU CHANGE YOUR MINDS OFTEN...
BUT MAYBE YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT
THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE ONLY ...4 OR 5 YEARS OLD....
christinepeace2 2 months ago
IN THIS VIDEO,
PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE EXHIBITED...
I COULD AS EASILY MAKE A VIDEO SAYING THAT YOUR TERRITORY IS GREEK AND WE WANT IT BACK.............
THIS WOMAN IN NOT TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL FACTS,
THIS IS JUST A WOMAN'S OPINION....
NO HISTORICAL TESTIMONIES.....LOL... :D :D
christinepeace2 2 months ago
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"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander
the Great." "We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica
Acevshka, 22 January 1999]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
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[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament] "I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute... "Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of
christinepeace2 2 months ago
christinepeace2 2 months ago
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander
the Great." "We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica
Acevshka, 22 January 1999]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians.
That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander
the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians
no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long
time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th
century (AD)."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Toronto Star
newspaper, March 15, 1992]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
14. "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth
century... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Foreign Information
Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"We are not related to the northern Greeks who
produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great.
We are a Slav people and our language is closely
related to Bulgarian."
"There is some confusion about the identity of the
people of this country."
[FYROM's Ambassador to Canada, Gyordan Veselinov in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, 24 February 1999]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
. "All in all, the language of the Macedones was Greek, a
distinct and particular form of Greek, resistant to outside
influnces and conservative in pronunciation. It remained
so until the fourth century when it was almost totally
submerged by the flood tide of standardized Greek."
[Hammond and Griffith, "A History of Macedonia" Vol ii, 550-336 BC.]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"Hesiod first mentioned 'Makedon', the eponym of the people
and the country, as a son of Zeus, a grandson of Deukalion,
and so a first cousin of Aeolus, Dorus, and Xuthus; in other
words he considered the 'Makedones' to be an outlying branch
of the Greek-speaking tribes, with a distinctive dialect of their
own, 'Macedonian'."
[N.G.L.Hammond, "Oxford Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996),
pp.904,905]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"Nowadays historians agree that the Macedonians
form part of the Greek ethnos; hence they also shared in the
common religious and cultural features of the Hellenic world."
[M.Oppermann, "Oxford Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996), p.905]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
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. "And yet if we take into account the political conditions,
religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction
is strengthened that they were a Greek race and akin to
the Dorians."
[Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", (1967)]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
. "The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the
most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek."
[N.G.L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State" (1989)]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"What language did these Macedones speak? The
name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination.
It probably means highlanders, and it is comparable to
Greek tribal names...Hence Macedonia was a Greek
province just like the Peloponesse is today ..."
[N.G.L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State" (1989)]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"Ancient allegations that the Macedonians were
non-Greek all had their origin in Athens at the time
of the struggle with Philip II."
[Malcom Errington, "A History of Macedonia"]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak
a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded
nowadays as certain."
[Malcom Errington, "A History of Macedonia"]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
."The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek
stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their
language combine to testify."
[John Bagnell Bury, "A History of Greece to the Death of
Alexander the Great", 2nd ed. (1913)]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"Hesiod first mentioned 'Makedon', the eponym of the people
and the country, as a son of Zeus, a grandson of Deukalion,
and so a first cousin of Aeolus, Dorus, and Xuthus; in other
words he considered the 'Makedones' to be an outlying branch
of the Greek and Greek-speaking tribes.
[N.G.L.Hammond, "Oxford Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996),
pp.904,905]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
"And yet if we take into account the political conditions,
religion and morals of the ancient Macedonians, our conviction
is strengthened. They definitely were a Greek race and akin to
the Dorians."
[Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", (1967)]
christinepeace2 2 months ago
Take some woman advice....why don't you take some of that make up off .....you look sluttish.....LOL
christinepeace2 2 months ago
N.G.L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State" (1989)] "The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the
most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek."
christinepeace2 2 months ago
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!!!!!MONKEYDONIANS THE CLOWN S OF THE MODERN HISTORY!!!!
myking73 4 months ago
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monkey donians thieves of greek culture thieves of greek land thieves of greek history!!!!read and learn monkeys without knoweledge read yourd history if you cant!!!monkeydonia nato slaves!!!!!
myking73 4 months ago
WHAT ALLEXANDER THE GREAT MEANS IN YOUR language??
YOU ARE A GEOGRAPHIC PART OF THE ANCIET MACEDONIA STATE .
In the ancient greece we have city states so if macedonia is not then
Athens is not greek spart is not greek.
akisgoku123456 6 months ago
also i am sorry to disapoint you but there is not even one nation in europe today to consider alexander the great non greek, not even one to consider him fyromian, but the rerally sad not even one scholar.
the really funny is the abandoned greek in 6th and 7th century, you try to fuck out history
brennusduxgallorum 6 months ago
you are very confised, the first fyromian that used the term macedonian was Gjorgi Pulevski.
brennusduxgallorum 6 months ago
THE LAND YOU LIVE WAS INDEED A PART OF ANCIENT MACEDONIA , BUT YOU PEOPLE ,YOUR LANGUAGE, YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR HISTORY IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE ANCIENT MACEDONIA. YOU WERE JUST A SLAVIAN NATION WITH NO BIG HISTORY UNTIL TITO PERSUADED YOU THAT YOU ARE MACEDONIANS, DECENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT. YOU NAMED YOUR YUGOSLAVIAN PROVIDENCE TO MACEDONIA AND TRIED TO STEAL A HISTORY AND AN IDENTIFICATION TO FILL THE EMPTY SPACE YOU GOT. LIVE PEACEFULLY AND REALISE WHO YOU ARE
kexggg 6 months ago
@kexggg
Actually the land of FYRoM was never part of the Kingdom
of Macedonia, apart from the fact that it was ancient Paeonia,
the Paeonians were conquered by the Greek-macedonians
and hellenised, but the land became dependent macedonian
territory but NEVER part of the Macedonian Kingdom.
HaggisMacfee 6 months ago
@HaggisMacfee hahahahaha and other were ha teba sparta atina you are funny
you will pay for all mistakes over macedonians you asshole god will help us
nazi gayreece
drumercoka 6 months ago
@drumercoka
[Dr Stephen Batchelor 'The Ancient Greeks for Dummies']
"Ancient Macedonia was - AND STILL IS - a territory
of NORTHERN GREECE. The ancient Macedonians
were of GREEK ORIGIN and spoke a broader rougher
dialect of GREEK."
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
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HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@HaggisMacfee are you one from the group "HISTORYANS" who sended a letter to Barak Obama for this? well my friend Aleksandar Donski wrote a book bout your so called "knowlage" deninig all you so called facts.. search for it AINCENT MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEKS
SuperDraganco 4 months ago
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@SuperDragan
And you chucky are a Bulgarian speaking
Slav, your Slav ancestors didn't even
enter the Balkans until 1400 years AFTER
Alexander the great lived.
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@HaggisMacfee I am Croat. I am Slav. Macedonians are not Slav. Check your genetics.
ivhoven 4 months ago
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@ivhoven
They are Slavs, in fact their genetics
put them very close to Serbs.
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
You should type in macedonia evidence in your webbrowser
Arhs77 9 months ago
You should type in macedonia evidence in your webbrowser
Arhs77 9 months ago
we are proud FYROMONKEY CHILDREN of albanobulgarian parents and we all have turkish pimps YAYYY...
our skin is more shitty than Abdulah Gul's
we dont have history and we were invented in 1992 by a tito's fart!
the whole ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD IS LAUGHING AT US BECAUSE GREEKS HAVE TONS OF PROOF ABOUT BEING THE ORIGINAL MACEDONIANS...AND WE HAVE ONLY THEIR DICK IN OUR ASSES SINCE 1913 ..
OH YEAH WE ARE PROUD..WHATS BETTER THAN A GREEK DICK??
DumboproudMacedonoid 1 year ago
the bellow responce was directed @jovanis69 lol
8Macedon8 1 year ago
Yep you made your point ! and what was your point ???? do you even know ???
sadly you use words that you may know the meaning of...to try and sound inteligent and correct..very usefull ploy...
in laymans terms..what you did was this ..
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance -
just baffle them with b#llshit..
This is the greatness of greece ..we may all be helenic lol but only the ones who call themselves greek first are misguided souls.
greek words in Australia fenci.hoover
8Macedon8 1 year ago
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Attention Fyromians: Most countries recognize you as "Republic of Macedonia" and recognize your nation's right to name themselves what ever they want. Those same countries wouldn't care if you wanted to name yourselves the Republic of Willy Wonka. But none of those countries believe that you have the right to hijack ancient historical figures from Greece and modern historical figures from Bulgaria just so you can create a culture.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
continued , while you celebrated the tyrany of the ottomans cotinued to rape our wives and mothers and steal our daughters and sons, only to send the boys back as "yanitsari" so when a police man was killed by us we were killing our own !
Greeks say that "yanitsari" means traitor...how sad is that..
Macedonia has a right to be macedonia and macedonians to call themselves macedonians...greece neither wants the name or flag they just don't want anyone else to have it..all they have is mythogy,
8Macedon8 1 year ago
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jovanis69 1 year ago
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jovanis69 sorrry to talk directly to you my friend..but i don't really know the protocol on here ..
Instead of asking when the map shows Macedonia , maybe you should look back and see when Greece shows up ???????
The greatnes of what you call Greece is MACEDONIA , and the theft of history and identity , well you should look into that also ..IMO
Greek idependance 1821..officially 1823 ..from mt olympus down...
even if you and i were brothers and you left me and my family under the turks.
8Macedon8 1 year ago
jovanis69 sorrry to talk directly to you my friend..but i don't really know the protocol on here ..
Instead of asking when the map shows Macedonia , maybe you should look back and see when Greece shows up ???????
The greatnes of what you call Greece is MACEDONIA , and the theft of history and identity , well you should look into that also ..IMO
Greek idependance 1821..officially 1823 ..from mt olympus down...
even if you and i were brothers and you left me and my family under the turks
8Macedon8 1 year ago
@8Macedon8 @8Macedon8 the magic and fantastic and lytrotic and evaggelic and charismatic ethnos of HELLENics or Hellines if it helps you phofbic apolytarchic and antagonistic miserable analphabetus has been synthesised by plethora of hellenic fylletic schemes and races at your words like Macedonians who are Hellenes and have been so through their history
Macedonia in one and unique and has been Hellenic the land of Hellenic fylletic group of Macedonias the more Hellenic group ever
jovanis69 1 year ago
every who wants to be called macedonian automatically is Hellenic
fyrom is the modern stupid name of a stupid new born state who tries to brain wash the people inhabiting the area since the era of tito
jovanis69 1 year ago
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jovanis69 1 year ago
a game of geopoliltics who only hellenic may analyse and oppose
u use the ignorance of the crowded masses to establish untrue mythos us history
but luck my filos as you are speaking with grounded Hellenics same blood same ethnois like those who participated in olympic games being Hellenic
wake up
jovanis69 1 year ago
@8Macedon8 yes both of you are brothers the diference is the south greece has been liberate in 2 faces the northen greece have liberate after 1912 /18 but still have areas that the are on the ex yougoslavia end albania
DALAMYIAN 1 year ago
(Maps of Asia Minor, the Caucasus, and Neighboring Lands) try this at google.
and tell me when ur country apears the map.
jovanis69 1 year ago
Truly riveting! You did a good job of raising awareness of the Greek racial animus toward the Macedonians and Muslims as well as the Genocide committed against your people. We in the U.S. are always told how liberal the Greeks are but, from their very own comments on your channel I can see you have a legitimate point! Your inclusive multicultural social just solution working with other oppressed people at the end was particularly uplifting to me.
CalStateLAalumni 1 year ago
@CalStateLAalumni ---- we dont hate MACEDONS (they are our brothers). we just even dont hate those mongols they want to steel our brothers name or their cultural. I dont think there is a genocide being for them from the GREEKS, but from them to other nations.
jovanis69 1 year ago
@jovanis69 You are showing a great deal of racism in your comment! I don't see anything like that coming from the Macedonian Lady!
CalStateLAalumni 1 year ago
@CalStateLAalumni 1) i thought it was top not only great. 2) i think that u havent seen her videos. 3) MACEDONIAN? ( HAHAHAHA THAT WAS GOOD) . LADY? I DONT THINK SHE IS 1.
jovanis69 1 year ago
@CalStateLAalumni is a fascist killer pig like the most of the americans. How many nations u r gonne destroy more? even from ur coach.
jovanis69 1 year ago
@jovanis69 Most of our Universitys protest many of the imperialist policies of our own government all the time!
CalStateLAalumni 1 year ago
@CalStateLAalumni you makes a realy bic mistake the makedonians sufer both of the othomans end the bulgarians at the same time adivice of a true makedonian born end bread in edessa
DALAMYIAN 1 year ago
@DALAMYIAN You are NOT a Macedonian, you are a dam greek!
MacedonianVengeance 11 months ago
@MacedonianVengeance at list i know were my ancesors come end were the have live for al this years .ofcurse the makedonias the are greeks end not slavs end what you haves to do with the makedonian area or name of the time you did not know if you are makedonian [ GREEK } or slav
DALAMYIAN 11 months ago
@MacedonianVengeance u rn't macedonian 2, so why do u care if someone isnt?
jovanis69 11 months ago
@MacedonianVengeance if you live in the states then you should spell english better and not like some un educated BULGARIAN that you are. There is nothing wrong to be BULGARIAN even the first immigrants to america declared that they were ethnically BULGARIAN from Macedonia.
Arhs77 9 months ago
@MacedonianVengeance what does dam mean in english? I bet it has something to do with water, I might be wrong. Does it mean anything in BULGARIAN?
Arhs77 9 months ago
@MacedonianVengeance Makedonian ios Greek you uneducated subhuman shits
panosfye 8 months ago
Αυτο που δε καταλαβαινω, πως καπιοι που δεν εχουν καν δικη τους γλωσσα και χωρα .... διεκδικουν 1 απ'τις πιο αρχαιες ιστοριες του πλανητη....
jovanis69 1 year ago
my poor girl , u have a right! the thing that u r not informed well is that u have right because ur country was ΕΛΛΑΣ (ΗΕLLAS) before the mongols reached Europe.
jovanis69 1 year ago
Hi i would like to congratulate you on firstly your courage, this trait alone should explain why the detractors are onto you so passionatley.
Macedonia was what it was because of the spirit you are displaying, God bless you.
While i may carry a greek birth certificate ,,,I will always be a.
MACEDONIAN greek..and never a greek MACEDONIAN.
I feel for some of your detractors also, as they are misguided souls
Keep up the great work, just one critique from me.
don't stoop to useing vulgarities
8Macedon8 1 year ago
where do you get al this bullshit?
sakidegriek 1 year ago
democracy is easily said .
but when you block people that do not agree with you ?
you are not really practicing Democracy .
FYROMINJA 1 year ago 2
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MacedonianVengeance (5 days ago) Spam Marked as spam Yes I am Muslim and the screen name I selected was at a time when I was in a real bad mood!
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this sums it all up .
FYROMINJA 1 year ago
@MacedonianVengeance
time to wake up gilr, games are over, learn real history based on non lies...
the more i see of this video i say shame to your parends spend all that maney on you...
you are what ???
lololol
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago
Owners ALBANIA BULGARIA and GREECE
of F.Y.R.O.M Zompie land
FACT
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago
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This fake Zombie country (small land of) FYROM must return to its owners ALBANIA BULGARIA and GREECE
Creece has the rights of 25% of today F.Y.R.O.M Zompie land
FACT
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago
You are not very good at history. Right? You have excluded important events and you present history as you want to present it.
I have replied to all your false claims in my page. You are Slavs and not Macedonians you are the descendants of the Berziti and of the Drogobitai who invaded the balkans in the 7th century AD.
Iaonas 1 year ago
@formerself-dentifygingethnicBulgarianVengeance
Heres a video Greek hating propagandists like yourself seemed to have missed. This is the first elected President of FYROM... saying the truth about your roots.
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992)
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
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"Men of Athens. Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descend, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.[..] consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am ALEXANDER of MACEDON” (Herodotus 9.45)
Stop pretending being something you are not and stop misleading ppl
ydra1821 1 year ago
Let me say it is an honor to see one of our graduates working in politics and, I would like the opportunity to represent your concerns in the Office of City Council for the city of Los Angeles 14th District. Please do see my channel for what I have to offer, thank you for the privilege!
RudyMartinez2011 1 year ago
I know you are very passionate about your Macedonian Political issues but, your Macedonian Art work is something you should show more of.
DamascusMODEL 1 year ago 3
With YouTube top heavy with jingoistic and racist ranting from all sides of the issues, it’s good to see an informative well made argument supported with credible references. You have done an excellent job worthy of a respectable academic when it comes to informing the public about the legitimate grievances of Macedonia and its Torbes minority. Keep up the good work and I have yet to see anything that even comes close to the quality of your work from your ill-informed detractors!
TheCyMan 1 year ago 8
@TheCyMan
You may think so, but what was not mentioned in the above video, was the U.S. influence in partitioning Yugoslavia. Political interest is what matters in the end, not what one believes. I am Greek, the EU's disinterest in taking in ROM, has little to do with modern Greece's veto, and more to do with the ability of the EU (particularly larger countries such as GB and France) to utilize the land in ROM as a place to train troops and test small missiles.
PhoebusTheRisen 1 year ago
@PhoebusTheRisen Even as a born and raised American I know the imperialist actions of American foreign policy, even including CIA opperations in Greece against democracy. Just read Noam Chomsky but, there have been many atrocities committed by Greeks against Muslim minorities as well.
TheCyMan 1 year ago
@PhoebusTheRisen Just exactly how did you find out about the antiballistic missiles in Macedonia? This will concern some of my friends still in the Air Force. Now I don’t approve of U.S. military instillations being set up all over the world and perpetuating conflict.
TheCyMan 1 year ago
I am greek macedonian. The only real macedonians that walk the earth are greek by blood and culture. You on the other hand my friend are a slav that came into the region 1000 years after alexander the great which spread greek culture to the far east. You need to read persian and indian history and you will learn who the real macedonians were. I feel so sorry for you cause you have no culture. Maybe you should call yourself paionian.You speak bulgarian so maybe you should just be bulgarian!retard
vidacosta 1 year ago
48 Years ago on 21 December 1963 Greek - Greek Cypriot EOKA terror organisation under the leadership of Makarios, Greek Orthodox Church and General Grivas started the annihilation of the Turkish Cypriots. The scenes below were common place in Cyprus. Greek paramilitaries and terrorists killed hundreds of Turkish Cypriots 103 Turkish Cypriot villages were burned down over 30,000 Turkish Cypriots were made refugees and the whole of the Turkish Cypriots were forced to live in 3% of Cyprus.
ilkerrap 1 year ago 10
@ilkerrap
Yes!, and thank goodness we put those Turkish heathens in their place.
PhoebusTheRisen 1 year ago
@ilkerrap
The entire UN condemning Turkeys invasion of Cyprus. To this date only Turkey recognizes Norther Cyprus. Its shameful that ultra nationalists like you let your hatred of Greeks override your sense of justice.
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
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@GemistusPletho
1071-Malazgrit / ALPARSLAN fucked-greeks
1453-Istanbul /Fatih Sultan MEHMET fucked-greeks
1897-Dömeneke / ABDULHAMİD fucked-greeks
1915-Çanakkale / Mustafa Kemal ATATURK fucked-greeks
1921-1.İnönü İSMET PASHA fucked-greeks
1921-Sakarya / Mustafa Kemal ATATURK fucked-greeks
1922-Buyuk taarruz Mustafa Kemal ATATURK fucked-greeks
1974-CYPRUS TURKISH ARMY fucked-greeks
1996-Kardak imia TURKISH SAT fucked-greeks
ilkerrap 1 year ago
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.'
(FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka in speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999)
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
Have to love the facts of this video (especially coming from someone in complete denial over their ethnic Bulgarian heritage) Come to Greece sometime and we'll help translate for you all ancient Macedonian artifacts from Greek into the Bulgarian dialect the communists renamed "Macedonian".
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
"Men of Athens... In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas (Greece); I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Olympic games as a self-identifying Greek, Herodotus, " Histories", 9.45, ed. A. D. Godley)
Ancient Macedonians competed as self-identifying Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries.
GemistusPletho 1 year ago
@ilkerrap
Did they?Can you explain to anyone why TMT Turkish terrorist group formed in 1945?
Can you explain why many Greeks and left wing Turks where killed for partition?
Can you explain why 200000 Greeks where made homeless,and 6500 Greeks killed?
Can you explain why the figures for Turkish civilian deaths where exaggerated according to UN investigations?
The same investigations which Turkey somehow did not divulge how many Turk deaths where TMT.
avgorou2010 1 year ago
@ilkerrap there is(was) no GREEK Cypriot thing or etc. it was (is) just cypriot. Cyprous was always independant.
jovanis69 8 months ago
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ilkerrap 1 year ago