Brazil vs Japan jiu-jitsu 2004 - Leo Viera vs Shinsuke Fukuzumi

[Arcisit]

Pfffff fight with BJJ rules so without punches and kicks

[Theerhino36]

@shinjokool- anyone who practices BJJ knows it was born from Japanese judo, it was taught to the Gracies by a Japanese immigrant, only to be refined into a single art, not just a ground form of judo. You are welcome.

[Heylandder]

Respect From Poland!

[shinjukool]

BJJ = Basically Japanese Judo. It's old judo folks. duh. a tactical and training emphasis on judo newaza. Maeda was a kodokan judoka. nice it's been preserved in brasil and a good sporting culture around it but .. it comes from Japon.

[FreakoftheGrove]

Are there any videos where it demonstrates the turnover at 1:02?

[LanXangLives]

This style of fighting originated from japan, just look at the name. It was passed down from japanese Mitsuyo Maeda to the Gracies because they asked him to teach them. What was supposed to be Maeda's demonstration's and challenge to other martial arts, the gracies made it their own and made it very popular. Some aspects were changed but it's not far from original.

[metalbullitt]

Here's the thing... real Japanese Jujitsu isn't applicable in competition because its meant for self defense. We learn to disable our opponent by joint manipulation, particularly dislocating or breaking joints if the assailant doesn't get the point and wants to continue to be aggressive. In JJJ, we finish the fight on the ground with a submission but it starts standing up. We do learn ground grappling as a means of last resort. Even then, the finishes can permanently harm the opponent.

[BluePittbull666]

BJJ is far more superior than japan jiu jitsu.

Actually Brazilian jiu jitsu is best fighting system ever.

[profd65]

@BluePittbull666

What an idiot. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is just a rip-off and bastardization of Japanese Jiu Jitsu.

[kokyjabn]

@BluePittbull666 I think the most important different is that BJJ is creative, it has and promote creativity. Usually in traditional and old martial arts, theres one way to do things and one way only.

[poganla123]

leo is soooo good its insane, i will love to see him vs marcelo nogi, it might happen this year's abu dabi

[juicespirit]

@poganla123 this guy has probably better sparring in gym class than in this competition. japanese guy was a disgrace

[poganla123]

@juicespirit hehe, but remember he is fighting leo viera, you saw what leo did to eddie even doe eddie was a brownbelt back then

[BehemothSuper]

@jiujitsu87

u mean rape defense?

[ArmyMPsoldier]

Vieria, Nogueira bros, Jacare, Werdum, Renzo Gracie, Rickson, Aoki, Canto, Helio Gracie, etc.. Are all both Judo and BJJ black belts

[gianniswow]

BJJ is better than jujitsu, but best fighting system is russian sambo (combat)!

[fuckermenn]

The song is The Last Mohican' soundtrack, but i dont know the this kind of mix://

[mayatiita1]

Fucking Hell!!! That was one of the most impressive displays of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I have ever seen!!! Incredible!!!

[BJJLH]

please ? ? what is the name of this song ? ?

[BluePittbull666]

wow the slope has no clue what is happening to him.

Brazilian jiu jitsu is best fighting system ever.

[no4monkeys]

can anyone tell me the name of the song plz?

[lane7330]

that was amazing technique by Leo at 0:58-1:04....great fight..

[jiujitsu87]

i love brazilian jiu jitsu but best self defence in my opinion is KRAV MAGA

[thalesdk]

@jiujitsu87 KRAV MAGAV Isn't for self defence, is for kill. It's used in israel, what you think?

[unianthony]

japanese jiu jitsu is much better. its just this guy is shitt. look at japanese jiu jitsu on youtube, most martial came from japanese jiu jitsu

[95ster]

jujitsu came from china and japan not from brazil, do your research

[christophercoltrane]

@95ster not sport jiu jitsu. shut the fuck up

[BlackShinobiShozoku]

@95ster only few jujutsu systems are influenced by China.

[a13grace]

blah blah blah........ just enjoy the video for what it is....entertaining

[azwaone]

fukuzumi =owned

[BJJLH]

what is this song called ??

[jtej001]

@BJJLH the song is by a Brazilian band named mathimaticos

[jtej001]

@BJJLH found it Eu Vou Avante by mathematicos

[BJJLH]

@jtej001

thank you so much mate :) fucking awesome

[TungdilManodoro]

@jtej001 Thanks mate !!!!!!!

[MrTwisted84]

What is the name of that song?

[nijuken]

considering the distance and the low guard they were in, the throw and the angle he landed him is crazy , one of the best i've ever seen.

[droman30]

This isn't BJJ vs. Judo. This is BJJ vs. BJJ. Fukuzumi Shinzuke is a jiu jitsu guy. He may have a background in Judo (and I don't know if he does) but he has his own business called "Fukuzumi Jiu Jitsu". Japanese people do BJJ too, you know...

[pcjudosambo]

Why do people call it BJJ? I don't get it. BJJ is 99.9% identical to the original Judo (before modification to the Sport Judo). Old School Judo allows leg locks as well. Kosen Judo allows dragging the opponent to the ground. All BJJ throws, submissions, takedowns, holds, pins are identical in Judo (I am not comparing Sport Judo vs BJJ. I am comparing true Judo vs BJJ). To me, BJJ is nothing but old Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (jujutsu) and modern Japanese Judo and Kosen Judo. I may be wrong though.

[jhelton0001]

BJJ is not 99.9% original judo. Heck, today BJJ isn't even like it was when Royce came to the UFC in the early 90's. It has evolved so much. My instructor is a USJA Judo black belt and a 1st stripe black in BJJ. He will tell you the same thing. The movements, techniques, and basics are the same yes, but the strategy and tricks that the BJJ virtuoso guys (Marcello, Leo, Roger Gracie) do to finish matches is its own unique thing. The average BJJ guy beats the average Judoka 8 out of 10 times

[pcjudosambo]

@jhelton0001 Other than a few sweeps, BJJ is still identical to Judo (the technique). It's just BJJ adapted to the rules for the BJJ competition and same thing to about Judo. To say 8/10 times a BJJ guy will win over a Judo guy is wrong. You have to name the circumstances (competition, street fight, etc). Judo is more street effective because in a real fight, you don't get 5 minutes to submit an opponent like you do in a BJJ competition.

[jhelton0001]

Honestly, not being an a hole, i promise...but the AVERAGE BJJ guy beats the AVERAGE Judo guy at least 8/10 times. AVERAGE is the key word. There are exceptions to this. There are some world champion Judoka that would kill some BJJ black belts no problem. BJJ takedowns suck for the most part, unless you train the more Judo oriented style from the northern part of Brazil, such as Jacare's style. However, the ground work has tricks that have evolved just in the last 10 years. see next post

[jhelton0001]

Even though Kosen Judo guys did leg locks, newer BJJ has adapted and modified existing leg lock techniques to make them a ton better. Just look at Robson Moura killing guys with heel hooks in no gi submission tourneys. Thats another thing, no gi grappling just doesn't fit a judokas style. BJJ has adapted just enough wrestling to make a style that is great for no gi. Single leg pick snatches, etc...Sorry man, but I used to live and die by the thought that Judo could kill BJJ until

[jhelton0001]

But i do love judo. It has so many practical applications. And it had done me well with competition. I used to have such a hard time in tournaments getting the top position. But it has helped that. It is much like wrestling in that it teaches you great top control which BJJ lacks in alot of schools. The best thing to do for being all around train judo and wrestling for takedowns and top control, and train BJJ, catch, Sambo for submissions, great transitions, and leg locks.

[jhelton0001]

I experienced the difference with a good school. Good BJJ is hard to beat by anything. Great leg locks will however neutralize good jiu jitsu. Just watch Imanari. And your argument about needing 5 minutes to submit an opponent is irrelevant, cause I assume we are both talking about a one on one street fight, correct? Cause if we are not you are crazy for considering fighting two or more people at once. That is when the best Judoka or BJJ guy in the world gets a gun LOL.So time isn't a problem

[pcjudosambo]

@jhelton0001 BJJ guys (most of them) are horrible at take downs because 50%-60% of times they "pull guard", which is not that street effective unless you're a ADCC champion like Werdum (and we are not as good as him). So a Judoka has a major advantage there (in a street fight). In terms of submission, a Judoka (like a Sambo guy) has limited amount of time on the ground to perform a submission, thus making it much more street effective. A blue belt Judoka can throw and submit within seconds

[jhelton0001]

Pulling guard, like you stated is great for competition. It is a technique that is practiced just for competition, and it is similar in risk to throwing a sacrfice sumi gaeshi on someone on the street.. The Gracie's are probably one of the worst examples of BJJ, but dude they proved it time and time again in fights. And you have to ask yourself, are we talking BJJ vs. untrained fighter, or BJJ vs. Judoka. I would pull guard on blacktop if its an untrained fighter. Scuffs on my back heal.

[jhelton0001]

Ask yourself this, why are so many top level fighters in UFC, WEC, Pride blue belt or above in BJJ. It is because it is proven. Sure Judo is great for MMA, street fighting, but back to my point-the average BJJ guy beats the average Judoka atleast 80% of the time, whether in the gym, on the street, in the cage, in grappling competitions. Name me 10 Judoka that have won the ADCC. Now name me 10 Judoka that have held the title in UFC. Why is BJJ the official combatives of US Army?

[importedinventions]

@jhelton0001 It's not official. US Marines and 5th Army Ranger training core have expressed serious concerns about conditioning soldiers with the mentality of a Grappler. Because war, is pretty much like a street fight, you're lucky if it's gonna be one vs one. Most of the time, you don't want to spend so much time wrestling around the ground and leaving your back open. Being on your feet will always be the better option, and Judo will emphasis on quick throws so you can finish off with a knife.

[PRSer]

@importedinventions hmm really? I'm not American but I have heard that the US Army incorporates BJJ into their training. I think its good. A soldier should be able to fight anywhere in any sort of situation and condition. I strongly believe though that KNIFE FIGHTING is the ultimate close quarters combat system. Something small like a lil generic penknife can cause major harm to anyone. Try holding somebody down who's got a sharp object and poking you all the time.

[importedinventions]

@PRSer that's the point! The military doesn't want their soldiers to be trained with BJJ as their "official" fighting style, because the mentality of a grappler, especially a BJJ is to go to the ground. It's good to have grappling skills no doubt, but to say that is a soldier's best method of unarmed combat? No way. The best grappler in the world would still take several seconds if not over a minute against a trained soldier resisting. A quick Judo throw or strike followed with knife is the best

[nijuken]

you are right, i changed the title , although i am not happy with it, i may change it again to something more proper.

[droman30]

@nijuken: A couple of other things I noticed is that he has a patch on the back of his uniform. Most Japanese judoka do not wear patches on the back of their uniform unless it's some kind of patch from a competition that they didn't remove. Also, if you look at 0:54 his posture is not what you typically see from Japanese when doing judo. He also looked completely lost when trying to get a grip. This is clearly a BJJ tourney so If I were you I'd just change the title to Vieira x Shinzuke.

[metalbullitt]

@nijuken I figure you got the title as accurate as possible.. I study Japanese Jujitsu. You can see the difference in spelling.

[nijuken]

@metalbullitt I been trying to differentiate a little bit between Japanese Jujitsu/Jujutsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

assuming both of them doing BJJ to my best knowledge .

[arcaniagothic2]

@droman30 but what i dont understand is that people see these days jiu jitsu directly as bjj and not as jjj. Thats just stupid you know

[mysonisbadazz]

Leo - OWNED him! Damn!