I don't care where people stand on affirmative action just PLEASE STOP DISCUSSING IT ONLY IN TERMS OF RACE. White women have benefited WAY more than any other group. Not only that, but White women already had a head start when affirmative action began. On top of all that, White women usually marry White men. It could be very easily argued that affirmative action is more a battle for complete dominance between White men and Women than it is about minorities making great strides.
I'm black and I completely disagree with affirmative action. The correct response to a history of racism is not more racism. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@UltraProle21 OH!! your smart!!! Thank you for your support. We are all equal and worth the same no matter what color, sex.. or any other attribute anyone has. We SHOULD all be judged SOLEY on the content of our contributions.
The last 6 people my boss hired were all black, hes black himself. Were chummy so I str8t up asked him about it. He said the company was getting their quota of affirmative action, and being that our site had a bigger budget than we needed they threw alot to us. So I had to train some of them and a few seemed to have some chip on their shoulder, like they had a problem with me telling them what to do. Very unprofessional, and a slap in the face to me and the other qualified workers here
@danheloxdy Racism IS the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. Usuaully, this is based on perceived inherent biological differences. Individuals with one characteristic shared with others (i.e skin color) were burdened with the stereotypes/prejudices held by racists because of that characteristic. It denies individualism and goes on group characteristics.
Affirmative action is based on social/cultural racism. (continued)...
@danheloxdy This type of racism is based on the belief that certain races are culturally/socially/economically inferior (i.e disadvantaged) compared to other races (i.e. privileged). Affirmative action is rooted in the belief, true or not, that minorities will not be able to get ahead because of this inferiority in societal standing. Therefore, affirmative action is based on a form of paternalistic racism.
I'm not using "racist" as a pejorative sense against a.a. supporters. Just logic
@TheStrazy no, affirmative action is put in place to break the chains of discrimination in the workplace, education, etc. What people fail to realize is that racism goes far deeper than the KKK, prejudice set back certain minorities in numerous ways. With affirmative action, these past injustices can be redressed an offer everyone an equal shot.
@cabalofdemons Back in the day yes that was true, But this is after 40 years it has grown a society of dependancy. It has went so far that it is offensive to some because it is forced on people which breeds resentment in people (the recipient) for being labeled by their co workers and so forth. Basing a persons worth by the color of his skin is pure racism that is true, being a quota isnt much better.
@TheStrazy It's only still around because discrimination still exists. Studies have shown job applicants with "black" sounding names are less likely to receive a call back for a job as opposed to someone with a "white" sounding name. Though keep in mind that both applicants had the same qualifications and in some cases the black applicant was better qualified. So as long as folks continue to see color of quality, affirmative action is needed.
@cabalofdemons In areas where the whites or any other race for that matter are the minoritys are they included? No so it is a raced based policy which never works for very long it creates dependancy and is offensive to some that people think they NEED it instead of getting it on their own merits. I spend 20 years in school learning a trade to find out i am part of a quota working next to someone who didnt work hardly at all for it, It would sorta get to me personally.
@cabalofdemons At what point does Affirmative Action be deemed a success? When do we say we have reached the tipping point? The point where we no longer need to positively discriminate against white college educated kids and white working class kids becuase we have reached the point of equality. Who decides that? Surely after 40 years of equal rights we should no longer need to rely on such a policy. Or does it go deeper still. Have minorities done enough to help themselves? There lies the clue!
@monk3yboy69 affirmative action is no longer needed when white male privilege is no longer an issue. You also fail to mention gender. White women benefit more from affirmative action than people of color. So perhaps you should ask the question "have women done enough to help themselves?" It's much easier to complain about reverse racism than reverse sexism because race is a much more divisive topic than gender.
The so-called affirmative action is based on racial quotas. In Europe, it is forbidden to make reference to a person's race. This is because of what happened in WW2 and I'm very surprised that America didn't adopt the same policy. At least, Europe has learned from its history.
Doesnt it bother some people to know that they might have been hired, simply on the basis of thier skin tone? If someone hired me because I was white, I would feel horrible. The same goes both ways. It is racism to hire someone, not for skill or taent, but by their skin tone. Someone will be racist regardless of whether they have to hire someone or not...it's just the truth
@SeyrusPD 80% of jobs are gotten through networking. The "average" White person has FAR MORE friends or friends of a friend that are already situated in good jobs that can help them get hired on. So, please don't try to treat Non White people like they are stupid with your cherry picked shaming language. Be against affirmative action all day, I don't care. Just please don't lie about the terms of the debate. Also, WHITE WOMEN have used AA more than anyone else.
This is not how affirmative action works. Every single non black person in my city claims that they lost their job do some unqualified black person. But Ive only seen two black firefighters and they were old and pretty much no black police officers.
The bottom line is this; look past someone's skin color and see the person inside. Is that too freaking much to ask? Is it too much to ask of Uncle Sam?
@SteveLLW It has been too much to ask of him since the 1600s even up until the Modern Era. Race discrimination lawsuits are frequently brought against the United States Government and many cases have been won against them as well. If Uncle Sam can't/never has do/done that for minorities, women, or veterans, why should he look past your race?
Boo Hoo! Whitey had to go get another job?!? Now I feel so bad for feeling like I deserve some reparation for the hundreds of years of torture, murder, and ethnic cleansing that my race had to go through. My grandfather was lynched and my father was stuffed in a garbage compactor for being black, but now that Whitey lost his job I feel so gosh darn guilty! God Forbid he knows what it's like to fear for his life because of his skin color. Oh wait he doesn't that's just me. My bad.
@mavriksfan11 "Now Whitey lost his job............."
Ah, yes. The ugly wording of racism. So anyway, are you accusing someone of murder simply because they have white skin and a white picket fence and pictures by Norman Rockwell...........etc., etc.......? With all due respect, that idea of assigning guilt based upon skin color is pretty well........ screwed up. It also breeds resentment. That's not the wisest choice to make.
@SteveLLW Assigning guilt based on skin color is pretty screwed up. I never said we should assign guilt based on color. I was sarcastically saying that black people should be given a break in terms of affirmative action. If one white guy loses his job, its not nearly as bad as the millions of blacks who lost their lives and dignity.
@mavriksfan11 Assigning guilt (or negative sterotypes) based upon race is exactly what Affirmative Action is and what Martin Luther King marched against. Affirmative Action needs to be dumped into the "Island of Misfit Laws" so it can join the "Jim Crow Laws".
@SteveLLW You must be pretty stupid. I'm starting to question whether your real, or just a troll. You said "guilt or negative stereotypes" they are not synonyms or interchangeable words. Assigning guilt based on skin color may be what affirmative action is, but that's not the same as assigning a negative stereotype based on skin color When a race and a nation have something to be guilty for, someone must take the fall. Everyone can't just pretend that it's all ok and forget about it.
@mavriksfan11 Affirmative Action assigns false guilt to all innocent whites and negative sterotypes to all blacks (even the well off, highly educated blacks). It says all whites have owned slaves, or are KKK members and should feel guilty and it says that all blacks are too lazy and stupid to make it on their own, without Uncle Sam's jackboot stepping on others. Affirmative Action is simply racism, that's all. Good luck peddling guilt to others. Guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market!
@SteveLLW It doesn't matter if all whites owned slaves or were KKK members. The idea is not to assign guilt. The idea is that someone must pay for the actions of those people (blacks owned black slaves too, and the saying was that a former slave is often the cruelest master) who set back the advancement of the race of African-Americans hundreds of years with their cruelty and hatred. And if someone should pay, better he be white than black
@SteveLLW Explain to me the contradiction there, if you will. I guess I'm not a genius like you and didn't realize that guilt goes hand in hand with repayment. I thought that when you paid back things, like loans, you weren't supposed to feel guilty about it.. Now I know better. Thanks for clearing that up. The reason I said the second thing is because of the simple fact that white people used discrimination against other races for hundreds of years to advance themselves. Blacks did not.
@mavriksfan11 "................the simple fact that white people used discrimination against other races for hundreds of years to advance themselves. Blacks did not."
Wow, now THERE'S a racist statement (and inacurate, to boot!). For starters; do I stand accused of discrimination against blacks, or anyone else? Well, no, but I have white skin, therefore I'm guilty of something in your eyes. Look; you simply don't like whites and you want to extract something from them. I call that idea crap.
@SteveLLW That's not a racist statement. It's a fact. I'm Asian and lose the most from Affirmative Action. I also happen to be a history major. And I realize that white people in the United States of America used discrimination in Jim Crow Laws, the racial segregation of the Congress ordered by President Wilson, the National Origins Act, which banned Asian and African immigration, etc. Those are facts. Therefore my statement was correct and not "inaccurate to boot!"
@mavriksfan11 "That's not a racist statement. It's a fact. I'm Asian and lose the most from Affirmative Action. I also happen to be a history major. And I realize that white people in the United States of America used discrimination in Jim Crow Laws....blah, blah, blah...."
Again; you lump all white people together. Sad. Racists come in all sizes, shapes and colrs. I've met all types. I've lost at least one job due to Affirmative Action.
@SteveLLW Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market and when we think no more of such tragedies as Emmit Till and the Chicago Race Riots. When we think to ourselves, 'So what if a black child was stoned to death while swimming because he crossed on to the white beach? So what if hundreds of blacks were burned alive or hung in public from trees to give whites the idea that they were right to stone him? That all pales in comparison to me and my life!"
@mavriksfan11 "Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market..."
It's only sad, if you're a guilt peddler with fewer and fewer potential customers.
"'So what if a black child was stoned to death..................etc.,............That all pales in comparison to me and my life!"
Yes, it certainly does. You see; I'm not "taking the hit" for the evil actions of others who did their foul deed BEFORE I was born and neither will my 8 year old white son!
@mavriksfan11 "Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market and when we think no more of such tragedies as Emmit Till and the Chicago Race Riots."
LOL!! It's only a sad day for guilt peddlers with no customers! You see; I'm not "taking the hit" for the evil deeds done by people long before I was even born!! Deal with it.
@SteveLLW Like I said, it is a sad day in the world when the memories of those people, who were human beings like you and me with souls and emotions, and the lives they led are not remembered for the martyrs they were but instead laughed at by heartless individuals like you. Satan lives inside of you; I used to think he wasn't real, but someone who laughs at the idea of a man shot in the face, his eyeballs torn out, and a weight attached to his neck with barbed wire left to drown can only be him
@mavriksfan11 I laugh at the idea that somehow, I must do the virtual prison time for some klansman's crimes in the 1950's, simply because I have white skin. Emmit Till, if I remember correctly, was murdered for whistling at the pretty wife of a klansman in 1952. Let's face it; whistling at another man's wife is risky business, no matter what skin color everyone has. You seem to be very quick to judge. Now "satan lives inside" me. I get the impression that you see all whites that way.
@SteveLLW HAHAHAHAHA you are trying to give off excuse for the brutal murder of a young man and the acquittal of his killers because he whistled at a white woman. Let's forget Emmit Till then. Sam Hose was alleged with hurting a man's infant by dropping him, later proven false, his fingers and genitals were severed. The skin from his face was removed and his body was doused with kerosene. He was tied to a tree and burned alive. His knuckles were on display in the town grocery store.
@mavriksfan11 "HAHAHAHAHA you are trying to give off excuse for the brutal murder of a young man and the acquittal of his killers because he whistled at a white woman. Let's forget Emmit Till then. Sam Hose was alleged with hurting a man's infant by dropping him, later proven false, his fingers and genitals were severed. ...blah, blah, blah......"
Again; I laughed at your "guilt by skin color" notions, not at any murders. By the way, what warped history class teaches that idea?
@SteveLLW "his fingers and genitals were severed...blah, blah, blah...." Really? Our civilization has come to people caring so little about the sacrifices of racism in our past that we just say blah blah blah and move on?!
No history class teaches the idea of guilt by skin color. They do teach about how actions of past generations can affect future generations. Like FDR's New Deal brought on by the Roaring 20s or Socialism in the US brought on by the 2nd industrial revolution.
@SteveLLW How am I done? Socialist Reforms took place in America as a result of the 2nd Industrial Revolution. That's a historical fact. In fact, the reason many cities have consolidated light, power, and gas companies is because those are left over from the social reforms of the 1890s to 1900s. The Graduated Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, and Social Security are all socialist programs which were instituted into the US during the Socialist reforms in response to the 2nd industrial revolution.
@mavriksfan11 "The Graduated Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, and Social Security are all socialist programs which were instituted into the US during the Socialist reforms in response to the 2nd industrial revolution."
........all of which are really screwed up policies that cause economic decline, but, heh, we're all a little more EQUALLY screwed up and that's what counts, right?
@SteveLLW You are not the only person who has had to deal with the repercussions of a past generations actions. We all have to do that. You're just complaining because you think everyone blames you for the past generation's actions. No one cares that much about you. But because they stopped the advancement of several races through racism, those races' advancement must be sped up. A repercussion of this is that your advancement may be slowed down. It's that simple.
@SteveLLW You seem to be getting angry at nature. If people in the past slowed the advancement of another race, then that race must be allowed to catch up in order to have a competent society. This is the same idea which was used to fight the depression in the US and the same idea which reversed the Panic of 1893, those scary Socialist reforms, which you call the venerial disease of economy, were a repercussion of laissez-faire economy. Look those words up if you don't know them.
@mavriksfan11 "You seem to be getting angry at nature. If people in the past slowed the advancement of another race, then that race must be allowed to catch up in order to have a competent society. ...."
That's muddled. Nature enforces Darwinism, that's all.
@SteveLLW Ahh a stout believer in Darwinism. Then you would concede that if I took a group of people (let's say African slaves) and systematically killed the weak ones through intensive labor and just sheer murder, then I would get a resultant class of people (let's say today's black people) many many years later who have adapted to survive brutal labor and in the process given up some intelligence as intelligence would also have gotten them killed. So why do you protest Affirmative Action?
@SteveLLW Albert Einstein once wrote in 1946 that racism in America was its "worst disease." From 1981 to 1997 the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case.
@mavriksfan11 "the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case."
I'm not responsible for the dumb assed US Government's bone headed court rulings.
@SteveLLW Wait a minute, so you think the decision to find the US Department of Agriculture guilty of a crime they committed is a "bone-headed" ruling?!? You don't think the department's racism was bone-headed, but that the decision to convict them for racism was bone-headed? You may actually be retarded.
@mavriksfan11 "Wait a minute, so you think the decision to find the US Department of Agriculture guilty of a crime they committed is a "bone-headed" ruling?!? You don't think the department's racism was bone-headed, but that the decision to convict them for racism was bone-headed? You may actually be retarded."
The Supreme Court has upheld forced segragation, then forced integration. That's boned headed. The USDA was bone headed, but that's not my fault. Personal insults win no arguments.
@SteveLLW Yes but the upholding of forced segregation happened in the 19th century and only benefits my case that black people have been disenfranchised across the board in US History. The USDA was bone-heade if that's your euphemism for racist. So were many government departments and officers from the 1600s to the 21st century. That's why affirmative action. Thank you for helping me prove my point.
@SteveLLW It is not racist. It gives opportunities to every race that was ever deprived of those opportunities in the past. The only one that wasn't in history was the white race. Sorry, no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive.
@mavriksfan11 "Sorry, no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive."
First off; how the hell would you know? Oh, I see. You PRESUME. More importantly, you really wanted to omit that comma, didn't you, and write that you are "sorrry no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive."
@mavriksfan11 "Yes but the upholding of forced segregation happened in the 19th century and only benefits my case that black people have been disenfranchised across the board in US History. "
...........and disenfranchising whites, today, is helpful, somehow? Thanks for prooving my point.
@SteveLLW Affirmative Action does not disenfranchise whites. It helps give an advantage to all groups of people (women and veterans too not just races) who have been deprived of opportunities to make an honest living throughout US HIstory. The white male, non-veteran is not and has never been one of those groups of people.
@mavriksfan11 "Affirmative Action does not disenfranchise whites. It helps give an advantage to all groups of people..." and "The white male, non-veteran is not and has never been one of those groups of people."
The 14th Amendment makes everyone euql under the law. You and your ideas aim at undermining the 14th Amendment and making some people "more equal than others" (to borrow a line from Orwell's, 'Animal Farm').
@SteveLLW I do not have to convince whites of that. Many of them believe it on their own. There is a group, Angry White Guys for Affirmative Action, who are more than willing to let minorities who have been disenfranchised in the past step up and take the advantage offered them now. It is funny however, to see that you have stopped responding to facts and simply just started calling my argument bullshit. Can you point out which part of what i have said is bullshit?
@mavriksfan11 "There is a group, Angry White Guys for Affirmative Action, who are more than willing to let minorities who have been disenfranchised in the past step up and take the advantage offered them now."
There are also blacks who hate blacks. Hating one's own race is sad, but that doesn't prove anything. Just because those clowns volunteer to be crapped on, don't expect me to sign up, as well.
@SteveLLW They do not hate their own race, as WWII veterans (the majority of them, not all) they see how other veterans and disenfranchised members of society have been affected by the cruelty of the US in the past. And they not only are willing to be more competitive in an advantaged job market, but tell other men that it is their public duty to rise up from their advantaged surroundings and compete with men who came from a history of disenfranchisement and hatred, and not whine if they lose.
@mavriksfan11 "They do not hate their own race, as WWII veterans (the majority of them, not all) they see how other veterans and disenfranchised members of society have been affected by the cruelty of the US in the past."
Great, so some 87 year old vets feel guilty about calling a black, "boy' , or something else, back in 1944, so therefore, my son should be denied a job when he enters the job marklet 15 years from now. Yup, that makes sense.
".......then I would get a resultant class of people (let's say today's black people) many many years later who have adapted to survive brutal labor and in the process given up some intelligence as intelligence would also have gotten them killed. "
So, you see blacks as having "given up some intelligence"? Now, we're getting to the core of your beliefs. Sorry, I've met too many smart blacks to believe that.
@SteveLLW This was all based on the idea of Darwinism, which you so fondly believed until you saw that it didn't help you. But in accordance with genetic theory, that would be the case. You and I both have met many smart black people. Possibly a way of proving Darwin wasn't as smart as he said. If he were right however, there would be more smart black men then there are now as a result of that ethnic cleansing.
@mavriksfan11 "Albert Einstein once wrote in 1946 that racism in America was its "worst disease." From 1981 to 1997 the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case."
Albert Einstein was not in a position to judge us and the Supreme Court OFTEN screws up.
@SteveLLW I didn't believe you had any racism in you (until I saw how you laughed at the idea of the gruesome and inhumane dismemberment of human beings for being black), and whether you do or not you should not be punished because you have committed no crimes. You are seeing this the wrong way. You are not being punished for something your ancestors have done. But their actions have repercussions which are now being felt by your generation. Similar to the roaring 20s and the Great Depression.
@mavriksfan11 "I didn't believe you had any racism in you (until I saw how you laughed at the idea of the gruesome and inhumane dismemberment of human beings for being black),"
Yeh, ya did (I'm white, after all) and nobody laughed at Emmitt Till's murder. I laughed at the idea that somehow I should pay for his murder, simply because the klansman murderer and I have the same skin color. My ancestors fought and died in the Union Army and Navy, which is why you're free to write your comments.
@SteveLLW No one ever said you have to pay, and the Union Army wasn't out to free slaves. Abolitionists were a hated people even in the North. The spreading of abolitionist sentiment through pamphlets or speeches was outlawed by President Buchanan's administration. The Union army fought to preserve the Union. Many of them could care less about black people. But either way, it's not that you have to pay. It's that some people's actions in the past have repercussions that affect you now.
@SteveLLW Only the slaves that were captured. The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the border states as they did not secede. Lincoln also wrote many times to various people that he would never have tackled the issue of slavery were the preservation of the Union at stake. I know I didn't believe it until I read it either.
@mavriksfan11 "The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the border states as they did not secede. Lincoln also wrote many times to various people that he would never have tackled the issue of slavery were the preservation of the Union at stake. I know I didn't believe it until I read it either."
Lincoln was destined into his historical role. Slavery (officially) ended with the ratification of the 13th & 14th Amendments in 1868. If the South had won, it wouldn't have occured.
@SteveLLW That's correct, he had no care for slave emancipation at all. He was destined into his historical role. So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense. They fought because Lincoln told them they had to preserve the Union, not because they had to end slavery.
@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense."
Yes, EVERYONE should be exempt from the grip of A.A.!!!
@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense."
I bet it would make sense to the dead and mangled Union soldiers. That's just a guess, of course.
@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense"
It would make sense to the dead Union soldiers, I bet.
@SteveLLW Yes, let's lament all the poor dead Union soldiers. Forget Till, whose face was smashed to a bloody pulp and then suffocated with barbed wire. Forget Hose, whose fingers, limbs, and genitals were cut off, whose face was skinned off and whose body was burned alive and whose knuckles were on display in the town convenience store. Forget the 13 year old child stoned to death in Chicago for getting pulled by a current into the white beach. Forget all of them. But never forget the Unioners!
@SteveLLW Yeah you are right. I am deep inside mad at white people as an Asian history major because of all the grief they caused me. On the contrary, I find white people like my white girlfriend to be great people. She has the same view that I do, which is that people need to stop thinking of Affirmative Action as "payback" or "revenge" and realize that it is a necessary correction of socioeconomic injustices past, like socialist reforms were to free market capitalism failures, and vice versa.
@mavriksfan11 "Yeah you are right. I am deep inside mad at white people as an Asian history major because of all the grief they caused me. On the contrary, I find white people like my white girlfriend to be great people. She has the same view that I do, which is that people need to stop thinking of Affirmative Action as "payback" or "revenge.........."
"All the grief THEY caused me"? "THEY"? All white people, or some, or a few, or one?
@SteveLLW No white people have ever caused me grief, you seemed not to catch the sarcasm there. It should have been obvious when I said "Yeah you are right"
@mavriksfan11 "No white people have ever caused me grief, you seemed not to catch the sarcasm there. It should have been obvious when I said "Yeah you are right"
Quite often, things said in jest are the truth at its best.
Yup, you have a grudge against whites. It's either that, or you just think you're gunna get some of the Affirmative Action spoils. Either way, it sucks.
@mavriksfan11 " Yes, let's lament all the poor dead Union soldiers. Forget Till, whose face was smashed to a bloody pulp.............."
You don't care about any of them. You just care about pushing Affirmative Action. Well, selling Affirmative Action these days is like selling pork ribs at a Kosher foods convention. Good luck.
@SteveLLW That is very cleer. Pork ribs at a Kosher foods convention. Haha! But I do retain interest in those victims as well as genocide victims in Africa today. And people given the death penalty in countries like China for marijuana possession. I feel that it is in History's darkest moments that the true enormous capacity for sheer rage, hatred, and animal-like carnage is shown. When a man's face is torn off as he is living it always opens a man's eyes to the Devil's work in action on Earth.
@mavriksfan11 I do believe you are coming at this from the wrong angle. Yes, what was done to your granparents was disgusting. None of us (including you.....right) know how they must have felt to be treated so awfully. I can't even go into it, because words are no good. You know that as we all do. But to expect white people to lose their jobs over what happened when their grandparents were in charge is simply madness. At some point we move on as equals. That point is now!
@mavriksfan11 You say BOO HOO, whitey had to get a new job. The problem is Whitey never finds a job again, forcing his family onto the streets or further down the economic ladder. How is that justice? How can a country say we have learned and moved on when we now make the same mistakes in reverse?
@monk3yboy69 A study done by the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that full-time employed white men earn a 28.6 percent higher median of weekly salaries than black men. In addition, two professors from UofChicago and MIT conducted a study submitting the same resumes to establishments but changing the names to be either "black names" like DeShawn or "white names" like Connor, they found that white names received 27% more callbacks while black names received 8% more calls than a control resume.
u gotta be F*^kin playin Im black and finished college with honors, i took a job on wall street. when the market, crashed the Black and Brown people where the first to go! People of color are First fired and last Hired. I cant stand how white people make themselves out to be so oppressed like people of color are takin their jobs in corporate Amer. Also This is a fact that White women are considered minorities an get the benefits 7 out of 10 times. This is a fact look it up!
But it's also a fact that a white-run business is required to have a minimum ratio of ethnic minority employees (I don't know the exact ratio), but ethnic-minority-run businesses are NOT required to have a minimum ratio of white employees.
I know of a shop that had to close because the only ethnic minority staff member they could find was a teen who had friends around all day and intimidated customers, but they couldn't fire him, because that would be 'racist'.
Comments implying that qualified doctors will be replaced by unqualified minorities is a misunderstanding. Former presidents of prestigious schools, William Bowen (Harvard) & Neil Rudenstine (Princeton) wrote research papers claiming 95% of academically qualified applicants were denied simply due to the limited room at these schools and is not true that these universities will pick "unqualified" applicants simply because they are not white. However I do believe these quota systems are unfair.
If this video offends anyone then it must be because that person is looking for something to be offended by. It is comedy and is meant as a joke and hater trolls can EAD.
you can't say it, but Affirmative Action is kind of racist in itself, and in my opinion, utterly useless. But of course you can't say that or everyonce accuses you of racism.
I'll say it. Affirmative action is pure racism. Ironically, the racist people who support that agenda accuse its antagonists of being....drum roll.....RACIST....
@LibertyAtYourService. Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Affirmative action is a public policy designed to redress social injustice. See the difference? I doubt you will.
SCREAMS OH MY GOD!!!! you mentioned a race call the police, flag as inappropriate, block so you childeren can not see tell others about the horribale content in this video
WOW, I find it amazing how PC this world has become and how uptight some get with humor. When we fail as a society to laugh at our own idiosyncrasies; we fail to open our minds to grow. They make a drug call Prozac which can help with this. People call your doctors now. I like your video and this very situation happened to me. I moved on and the company had to replace me with two people. Their loss and I am much better off now. Peace
I heard that people who have albinism actually are offended by the term "albino" ... Any offensive word though is only given power by people thinking it is offensive... or people saying it and trying to be rude.
I realize this is a satire, however I find myself wondering if the message is still disturbingly racist. It seems to be a satire of affirmative action as opposed to a satire of the racist, reactionary response affirmative action sometimes receives.
@RoguenChild Affirmative action is set up to help level the playing field for minorities in the work place. There was a time where a percentage of people's salaries were funded by the government to encourage corporations to hire minorities. The argument from racists (and ignorant people) was that people of color were taking jobs away from white people and that people were getting the jobs based on skin color not who was best qualified. This is NOT the case, but racists always argue this.
this is NOT how affirmative action works and I'm afraid this send sends a racist message. It may not have bbeen your intent, but racsit white people already believe their jobs are in jeopardy due to affirmative action. I'm a subscriber and will unsubscribe if there's another racist video on your channel. You're such a sweet guy so I hope it wasn't your intention to send a racist message.
@danceandrevolution One you have to beilve that this is just a video, just because people watch dosen't mean people are gonna think it. Its for entertainment purposes only. Just because avatar had humans killing blue people dosen't means it happens in the real world.
@danceandrevolution Best to unsubscribe now and live that secluded lifestyle you seem to hide in, learn to take things in stride...racist? Do you even comprehend the word Satire, to take this video in seriousness is not very mature and aware of your surrounding.
@Wordcrafter You're 37 so I hope you know that I was writing out of concern. Please read the history around affirmative action and the arguments made by racist before you assume I don't understand satire. Re-inforcing a racist belief that hurts minorities is NOT FUNNY! As an entertainer, Travis has a responsibility to make content that does not have underlying racist messages.
@danceandrevolution Usually, most ppl who unreasonably label others with "racist" are of themselves a racist. 0o Yes, AA has helped many people in the work force, schools, and scholarship opportunities. That's great! In some cases, it was/is seriously needed. However, there will always be discrimination of another group as one group is favored. Calling AA a racist program isn't an attempt to hurt minorities--it's pointing out a fact. AA isn't perfect. Claiming that it is would be ignorance.
@UndeniablyLiz I encourage you to read more about anti-oppression to see how your analysis of reverse racism is flawed. You can not have discrimination of a group that is on the top of the privilage pyramid. Thanks for caring enough to respond though. Please keep caring about issues of oppression. We need to keep talking about it.
@danceandrevolution Read more? You mean that if ideologically motivated, establishment-supported writers decide that "You can not have discrimination of a group that is on the top of the privilege pyramid" no one should have the right to disagree with such a foolish statement?
If slaves had read more on oppression they would have learned that slavery was the will of God. Maybe you realize now how flawed is your analysis.
If privilege comes from talent, it's not privilege.
@secessionesubito I meant to educate yourself more about the history and immense amounts of analysis, research, and facts that exist around oppression in this country and beyond. Knowledge and research is not the enemy here. Opinions are great and thinking for yourself is essential. But, you need to fully learn about a subject before you can truly settle on an opinion. I was nicely implying the commenter was speaking from an uneducated standpoint. Thanks for your opinion.
@danceandrevolution Not really what you said, which was to study more "to see how your analysis of reverse racism is flawed". I believe that if you'd study more on the subject, with an open mind, including opinions which many are trying to taboo out of the discussion, you would understand how real, dangerous and outrageous reverse discimination is. So it's really a matter of different opinions rather than insufficient knowledge. The matter is far from settled yet. I reciprocate your thanks.
@secessionesubito I am curious as to how white upper class men are suffering from discrimination. The top of the chain can't be oppressed because they are the oppressing entity. They may be hated by the people they are oppressing, but whites do not suffer negatively from the hatred.
@danceandrevolution It is obvious that the worst effects of the racist and discriminating Affirmative Action regulations are on _lower_ class white people. This is why they exist at all. BUT also white bourgeoisie is adversely affected. What if a white well-off guy is forced by circumstances to be treated by an AA-assisted black surgeon, instead of a more qualified white one? He might die. Is this enough suffering? Where hiring isn't based on merit but on racial preference everyone suffers.
@danceandrevolution "whites do not suffer negatively from [blacks'] hatred": this is truly horrifying. Have a look at criminal statistics focusing on how ridiculously bigger is the chance for a white to be attacked or murdered by a black than the other way around. And how relevant in too many cases is the racial element in those murders. You should do your own research, though, 'cause the press is not willing to tell you the hidden truth on this.
@secessionesubito Its natural to hate people oppressing you. Its not natural to oppress people based on color, gender, sexuality, etc. White upper class men still have far more advantages than black working class women. I don't condone hatred towards others, but I can understand why oppressed classes are angry.
@Wordcrafter danceandrevolution was being relatively respectful in what she was saying. I don't agree with her eigther, but I don't think it warrants rudeness. I'm just pointing this out. Danceandrevolution, thank you for stating your opinion politely for the most part.
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I don't care where people stand on affirmative action just PLEASE STOP DISCUSSING IT ONLY IN TERMS OF RACE. White women have benefited WAY more than any other group. Not only that, but White women already had a head start when affirmative action began. On top of all that, White women usually marry White men. It could be very easily argued that affirmative action is more a battle for complete dominance between White men and Women than it is about minorities making great strides.
ActaNonVerba71 1 day ago
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Here's a good video you can use to argue against those affirmative action Marxists: youtube.com/watch?v=6uH0vpGZJCo
ActaNonVerba71 1 week ago
@sdaadfasfa what does that even mean??
shawnbrennan1 1 month ago
If I was American i would leave the country and renounce U.S. citizenship. Whites are treated like the Jews were in Nazi Germany.
chemerich 3 months ago 3
I'm black and I completely disagree with affirmative action. The correct response to a history of racism is not more racism. Two wrongs don't make a right.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
@UltraProle21 u sound like a damn fool
4realpeepl 1 month ago
As a business owner. I disregard affirmative action laws and follow the MQP format.
Its simply put The Most Qualified Person format. The name pretty much states it all.
shawnbrennan1 4 months ago
@shawnbrennan1 you're hate speech is overwhelming. i almost had a heart attack looking at your venomous racism. lol
UltraProle21 3 months ago
@UltraProle21 Explain how my view of everyone bleeds red and we are equal...constitutes racism?
shawnbrennan1 3 months ago
@shawnbrennan1 it was a joke. your original statement was very reasonable. i just said what a die hard leftist would say.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
@UltraProle21 OH!! your smart!!! Thank you for your support. We are all equal and worth the same no matter what color, sex.. or any other attribute anyone has. We SHOULD all be judged SOLEY on the content of our contributions.
shawnbrennan1 3 months ago
@shawnbrennan1 sorry i meant "your" not "you're" i apologize to everyone.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
Garbage woman are the greatest beneficiaries of AA
grecojones 6 months ago 5
The last 6 people my boss hired were all black, hes black himself. Were chummy so I str8t up asked him about it. He said the company was getting their quota of affirmative action, and being that our site had a bigger budget than we needed they threw alot to us. So I had to train some of them and a few seemed to have some chip on their shoulder, like they had a problem with me telling them what to do. Very unprofessional, and a slap in the face to me and the other qualified workers here
azrial4421 7 months ago 2
@danheloxdy Racism IS the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. Usuaully, this is based on perceived inherent biological differences. Individuals with one characteristic shared with others (i.e skin color) were burdened with the stereotypes/prejudices held by racists because of that characteristic. It denies individualism and goes on group characteristics.
Affirmative action is based on social/cultural racism. (continued)...
Yelin7 8 months ago
@danheloxdy This type of racism is based on the belief that certain races are culturally/socially/economically inferior (i.e disadvantaged) compared to other races (i.e. privileged). Affirmative action is rooted in the belief, true or not, that minorities will not be able to get ahead because of this inferiority in societal standing. Therefore, affirmative action is based on a form of paternalistic racism.
I'm not using "racist" as a pejorative sense against a.a. supporters. Just logic
Yelin7 8 months ago
Affirmitive action is offensive because it assumes minority's NEED the help because they cannot do it on their own.
TheStrazy 8 months ago
@TheStrazy no, affirmative action is put in place to break the chains of discrimination in the workplace, education, etc. What people fail to realize is that racism goes far deeper than the KKK, prejudice set back certain minorities in numerous ways. With affirmative action, these past injustices can be redressed an offer everyone an equal shot.
cabalofdemons 7 months ago
@cabalofdemons Back in the day yes that was true, But this is after 40 years it has grown a society of dependancy. It has went so far that it is offensive to some because it is forced on people which breeds resentment in people (the recipient) for being labeled by their co workers and so forth. Basing a persons worth by the color of his skin is pure racism that is true, being a quota isnt much better.
TheStrazy 7 months ago
@TheStrazy It's only still around because discrimination still exists. Studies have shown job applicants with "black" sounding names are less likely to receive a call back for a job as opposed to someone with a "white" sounding name. Though keep in mind that both applicants had the same qualifications and in some cases the black applicant was better qualified. So as long as folks continue to see color of quality, affirmative action is needed.
cabalofdemons 7 months ago
@cabalofdemons In areas where the whites or any other race for that matter are the minoritys are they included? No so it is a raced based policy which never works for very long it creates dependancy and is offensive to some that people think they NEED it instead of getting it on their own merits. I spend 20 years in school learning a trade to find out i am part of a quota working next to someone who didnt work hardly at all for it, It would sorta get to me personally.
TheStrazy 7 months ago
@cabalofdemons At what point does Affirmative Action be deemed a success? When do we say we have reached the tipping point? The point where we no longer need to positively discriminate against white college educated kids and white working class kids becuase we have reached the point of equality. Who decides that? Surely after 40 years of equal rights we should no longer need to rely on such a policy. Or does it go deeper still. Have minorities done enough to help themselves? There lies the clue!
monk3yboy69 7 months ago
@monk3yboy69 affirmative action is no longer needed when white male privilege is no longer an issue. You also fail to mention gender. White women benefit more from affirmative action than people of color. So perhaps you should ask the question "have women done enough to help themselves?" It's much easier to complain about reverse racism than reverse sexism because race is a much more divisive topic than gender.
cabalofdemons 7 months ago
The so-called affirmative action is based on racial quotas. In Europe, it is forbidden to make reference to a person's race. This is because of what happened in WW2 and I'm very surprised that America didn't adopt the same policy. At least, Europe has learned from its history.
chemerich 8 months ago
Doesnt it bother some people to know that they might have been hired, simply on the basis of thier skin tone? If someone hired me because I was white, I would feel horrible. The same goes both ways. It is racism to hire someone, not for skill or taent, but by their skin tone. Someone will be racist regardless of whether they have to hire someone or not...it's just the truth
SeyrusPD 10 months ago 13
@SeyrusPD exactly! if you knew you'd feel horrible, but you wouldn't give up your job would you?
fuckronaldreagan 1 month ago
@SeyrusPD 80% of jobs are gotten through networking. The "average" White person has FAR MORE friends or friends of a friend that are already situated in good jobs that can help them get hired on. So, please don't try to treat Non White people like they are stupid with your cherry picked shaming language. Be against affirmative action all day, I don't care. Just please don't lie about the terms of the debate. Also, WHITE WOMEN have used AA more than anyone else.
ActaNonVerba71 1 day ago
This is not how affirmative action works. Every single non black person in my city claims that they lost their job do some unqualified black person. But Ive only seen two black firefighters and they were old and pretty much no black police officers.
TheCaliCapitalist 11 months ago
Affirmative Action is coercive Racism.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
The bottom line is this; look past someone's skin color and see the person inside. Is that too freaking much to ask? Is it too much to ask of Uncle Sam?
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW It has been too much to ask of him since the 1600s even up until the Modern Era. Race discrimination lawsuits are frequently brought against the United States Government and many cases have been won against them as well. If Uncle Sam can't/never has do/done that for minorities, women, or veterans, why should he look past your race?
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "f Uncle Sam can't/never has do/done that for minorities, women, or veterans, why should he look past your race?"
The truth is; my race is none of Uncle Sam' sfreaking business.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
Boo Hoo! Whitey had to go get another job?!? Now I feel so bad for feeling like I deserve some reparation for the hundreds of years of torture, murder, and ethnic cleansing that my race had to go through. My grandfather was lynched and my father was stuffed in a garbage compactor for being black, but now that Whitey lost his job I feel so gosh darn guilty! God Forbid he knows what it's like to fear for his life because of his skin color. Oh wait he doesn't that's just me. My bad.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Now Whitey lost his job............."
Ah, yes. The ugly wording of racism. So anyway, are you accusing someone of murder simply because they have white skin and a white picket fence and pictures by Norman Rockwell...........etc., etc.......? With all due respect, that idea of assigning guilt based upon skin color is pretty well........ screwed up. It also breeds resentment. That's not the wisest choice to make.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Assigning guilt based on skin color is pretty screwed up. I never said we should assign guilt based on color. I was sarcastically saying that black people should be given a break in terms of affirmative action. If one white guy loses his job, its not nearly as bad as the millions of blacks who lost their lives and dignity.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 Assigning guilt (or negative sterotypes) based upon race is exactly what Affirmative Action is and what Martin Luther King marched against. Affirmative Action needs to be dumped into the "Island of Misfit Laws" so it can join the "Jim Crow Laws".
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW You must be pretty stupid. I'm starting to question whether your real, or just a troll. You said "guilt or negative stereotypes" they are not synonyms or interchangeable words. Assigning guilt based on skin color may be what affirmative action is, but that's not the same as assigning a negative stereotype based on skin color When a race and a nation have something to be guilty for, someone must take the fall. Everyone can't just pretend that it's all ok and forget about it.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 Affirmative Action assigns false guilt to all innocent whites and negative sterotypes to all blacks (even the well off, highly educated blacks). It says all whites have owned slaves, or are KKK members and should feel guilty and it says that all blacks are too lazy and stupid to make it on their own, without Uncle Sam's jackboot stepping on others. Affirmative Action is simply racism, that's all. Good luck peddling guilt to others. Guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market!
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW It doesn't matter if all whites owned slaves or were KKK members. The idea is not to assign guilt. The idea is that someone must pay for the actions of those people (blacks owned black slaves too, and the saying was that a former slave is often the cruelest master) who set back the advancement of the race of African-Americans hundreds of years with their cruelty and hatred. And if someone should pay, better he be white than black
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11
"The idea is not to assign guilt. The idea is that someone must pay for the actions of those people....."
WOW! Now THERE'S a contradictory couple of sentences!
""And if someone should pay, better he be white than black"
......because you don't like whites, apparently. Thanks for admitting it with that "Freudian Slip".
In any event; good luck selling guilt, or "pay backs". The willing buyers of guilt and "pay backs" are fewer and fewer these days.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Explain to me the contradiction there, if you will. I guess I'm not a genius like you and didn't realize that guilt goes hand in hand with repayment. I thought that when you paid back things, like loans, you weren't supposed to feel guilty about it.. Now I know better. Thanks for clearing that up. The reason I said the second thing is because of the simple fact that white people used discrimination against other races for hundreds of years to advance themselves. Blacks did not.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "................the simple fact that white people used discrimination against other races for hundreds of years to advance themselves. Blacks did not."
Wow, now THERE'S a racist statement (and inacurate, to boot!). For starters; do I stand accused of discrimination against blacks, or anyone else? Well, no, but I have white skin, therefore I'm guilty of something in your eyes. Look; you simply don't like whites and you want to extract something from them. I call that idea crap.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW That's not a racist statement. It's a fact. I'm Asian and lose the most from Affirmative Action. I also happen to be a history major. And I realize that white people in the United States of America used discrimination in Jim Crow Laws, the racial segregation of the Congress ordered by President Wilson, the National Origins Act, which banned Asian and African immigration, etc. Those are facts. Therefore my statement was correct and not "inaccurate to boot!"
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "That's not a racist statement. It's a fact. I'm Asian and lose the most from Affirmative Action. I also happen to be a history major. And I realize that white people in the United States of America used discrimination in Jim Crow Laws....blah, blah, blah...."
Again; you lump all white people together. Sad. Racists come in all sizes, shapes and colrs. I've met all types. I've lost at least one job due to Affirmative Action.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market and when we think no more of such tragedies as Emmit Till and the Chicago Race Riots. When we think to ourselves, 'So what if a black child was stoned to death while swimming because he crossed on to the white beach? So what if hundreds of blacks were burned alive or hung in public from trees to give whites the idea that they were right to stone him? That all pales in comparison to me and my life!"
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market..."
It's only sad, if you're a guilt peddler with fewer and fewer potential customers.
"'So what if a black child was stoned to death..................etc.,............That all pales in comparison to me and my life!"
Yes, it certainly does. You see; I'm not "taking the hit" for the evil actions of others who did their foul deed BEFORE I was born and neither will my 8 year old white son!
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Oh and its a sad day in the world when guilt buyers represent an ever shrinking market and when we think no more of such tragedies as Emmit Till and the Chicago Race Riots."
LOL!! It's only a sad day for guilt peddlers with no customers! You see; I'm not "taking the hit" for the evil deeds done by people long before I was even born!! Deal with it.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Like I said, it is a sad day in the world when the memories of those people, who were human beings like you and me with souls and emotions, and the lives they led are not remembered for the martyrs they were but instead laughed at by heartless individuals like you. Satan lives inside of you; I used to think he wasn't real, but someone who laughs at the idea of a man shot in the face, his eyeballs torn out, and a weight attached to his neck with barbed wire left to drown can only be him
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 I laugh at the idea that somehow, I must do the virtual prison time for some klansman's crimes in the 1950's, simply because I have white skin. Emmit Till, if I remember correctly, was murdered for whistling at the pretty wife of a klansman in 1952. Let's face it; whistling at another man's wife is risky business, no matter what skin color everyone has. You seem to be very quick to judge. Now "satan lives inside" me. I get the impression that you see all whites that way.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW HAHAHAHAHA you are trying to give off excuse for the brutal murder of a young man and the acquittal of his killers because he whistled at a white woman. Let's forget Emmit Till then. Sam Hose was alleged with hurting a man's infant by dropping him, later proven false, his fingers and genitals were severed. The skin from his face was removed and his body was doused with kerosene. He was tied to a tree and burned alive. His knuckles were on display in the town grocery store.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "HAHAHAHAHA you are trying to give off excuse for the brutal murder of a young man and the acquittal of his killers because he whistled at a white woman. Let's forget Emmit Till then. Sam Hose was alleged with hurting a man's infant by dropping him, later proven false, his fingers and genitals were severed. ...blah, blah, blah......"
Again; I laughed at your "guilt by skin color" notions, not at any murders. By the way, what warped history class teaches that idea?
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW "his fingers and genitals were severed...blah, blah, blah...." Really? Our civilization has come to people caring so little about the sacrifices of racism in our past that we just say blah blah blah and move on?!
No history class teaches the idea of guilt by skin color. They do teach about how actions of past generations can affect future generations. Like FDR's New Deal brought on by the Roaring 20s or Socialism in the US brought on by the 2nd industrial revolution.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Like FDR's New Deal brought on by the Roaring 20s or Socialism in the US brought on by the 2nd industrial revolution."
GAME OVER. You're done. Socialism -- the venerial disease of the economy.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW How am I done? Socialist Reforms took place in America as a result of the 2nd Industrial Revolution. That's a historical fact. In fact, the reason many cities have consolidated light, power, and gas companies is because those are left over from the social reforms of the 1890s to 1900s. The Graduated Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, and Social Security are all socialist programs which were instituted into the US during the Socialist reforms in response to the 2nd industrial revolution.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "The Graduated Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, and Social Security are all socialist programs which were instituted into the US during the Socialist reforms in response to the 2nd industrial revolution."
........all of which are really screwed up policies that cause economic decline, but, heh, we're all a little more EQUALLY screwed up and that's what counts, right?
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW You are not the only person who has had to deal with the repercussions of a past generations actions. We all have to do that. You're just complaining because you think everyone blames you for the past generation's actions. No one cares that much about you. But because they stopped the advancement of several races through racism, those races' advancement must be sped up. A repercussion of this is that your advancement may be slowed down. It's that simple.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "A repercussion of this is that your advancement may be slowed down. It's that simple."
Try to "slow me down" and get steam rolled. It's that simple.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW You seem to be getting angry at nature. If people in the past slowed the advancement of another race, then that race must be allowed to catch up in order to have a competent society. This is the same idea which was used to fight the depression in the US and the same idea which reversed the Panic of 1893, those scary Socialist reforms, which you call the venerial disease of economy, were a repercussion of laissez-faire economy. Look those words up if you don't know them.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "You seem to be getting angry at nature. If people in the past slowed the advancement of another race, then that race must be allowed to catch up in order to have a competent society. ...."
That's muddled. Nature enforces Darwinism, that's all.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Ahh a stout believer in Darwinism. Then you would concede that if I took a group of people (let's say African slaves) and systematically killed the weak ones through intensive labor and just sheer murder, then I would get a resultant class of people (let's say today's black people) many many years later who have adapted to survive brutal labor and in the process given up some intelligence as intelligence would also have gotten them killed. So why do you protest Affirmative Action?
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Ahh a stout believer in Darwinism."
No, but don't claim that Affirmative Action is Nature's Way. That's silly.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW So when Darwinism helps your case you bring it up, when it helps my case you don't believe in it. How convenient.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Albert Einstein once wrote in 1946 that racism in America was its "worst disease." From 1981 to 1997 the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case."
I'm not responsible for the dumb assed US Government's bone headed court rulings.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Wait a minute, so you think the decision to find the US Department of Agriculture guilty of a crime they committed is a "bone-headed" ruling?!? You don't think the department's racism was bone-headed, but that the decision to convict them for racism was bone-headed? You may actually be retarded.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Wait a minute, so you think the decision to find the US Department of Agriculture guilty of a crime they committed is a "bone-headed" ruling?!? You don't think the department's racism was bone-headed, but that the decision to convict them for racism was bone-headed? You may actually be retarded."
The Supreme Court has upheld forced segragation, then forced integration. That's boned headed. The USDA was bone headed, but that's not my fault. Personal insults win no arguments.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Yes but the upholding of forced segregation happened in the 19th century and only benefits my case that black people have been disenfranchised across the board in US History. The USDA was bone-heade if that's your euphemism for racist. So were many government departments and officers from the 1600s to the 21st century. That's why affirmative action. Thank you for helping me prove my point.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 Affirmative Action -- a racist "solution" for past racism ain't much of a solution.
"The best way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
--- US Supreme Court Justice, John Roberts
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW It is not racist. It gives opportunities to every race that was ever deprived of those opportunities in the past. The only one that wasn't in history was the white race. Sorry, no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "Sorry, no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive."
How the hell would you know? Oh, I see, you PRESUME that to be the case.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "Sorry, no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive."
First off; how the hell would you know? Oh, I see. You PRESUME. More importantly, you really wanted to omit that comma, didn't you, and write that you are "sorrry no one ever lynched your relatives or tied them with chicken wire and burned them alive."
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Yes but the upholding of forced segregation happened in the 19th century and only benefits my case that black people have been disenfranchised across the board in US History. "
...........and disenfranchising whites, today, is helpful, somehow? Thanks for prooving my point.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Affirmative Action does not disenfranchise whites. It helps give an advantage to all groups of people (women and veterans too not just races) who have been deprived of opportunities to make an honest living throughout US HIstory. The white male, non-veteran is not and has never been one of those groups of people.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "Affirmative Action does not disenfranchise whites. It helps give an advantage to all groups of people..." and "The white male, non-veteran is not and has never been one of those groups of people."
The 14th Amendment makes everyone euql under the law. You and your ideas aim at undermining the 14th Amendment and making some people "more equal than others" (to borrow a line from Orwell's, 'Animal Farm').
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Affirmative Action does not disenfranchise whites."
Well, it's your burden to convince whites of that bullshit argument. Good luck in that task.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW I do not have to convince whites of that. Many of them believe it on their own. There is a group, Angry White Guys for Affirmative Action, who are more than willing to let minorities who have been disenfranchised in the past step up and take the advantage offered them now. It is funny however, to see that you have stopped responding to facts and simply just started calling my argument bullshit. Can you point out which part of what i have said is bullshit?
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "There is a group, Angry White Guys for Affirmative Action, who are more than willing to let minorities who have been disenfranchised in the past step up and take the advantage offered them now."
There are also blacks who hate blacks. Hating one's own race is sad, but that doesn't prove anything. Just because those clowns volunteer to be crapped on, don't expect me to sign up, as well.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW They do not hate their own race, as WWII veterans (the majority of them, not all) they see how other veterans and disenfranchised members of society have been affected by the cruelty of the US in the past. And they not only are willing to be more competitive in an advantaged job market, but tell other men that it is their public duty to rise up from their advantaged surroundings and compete with men who came from a history of disenfranchisement and hatred, and not whine if they lose.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "They do not hate their own race, as WWII veterans (the majority of them, not all) they see how other veterans and disenfranchised members of society have been affected by the cruelty of the US in the past."
Great, so some 87 year old vets feel guilty about calling a black, "boy' , or something else, back in 1944, so therefore, my son should be denied a job when he enters the job marklet 15 years from now. Yup, that makes sense.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 Oh, dear. My, my, my....you wrote,
".......then I would get a resultant class of people (let's say today's black people) many many years later who have adapted to survive brutal labor and in the process given up some intelligence as intelligence would also have gotten them killed. "
So, you see blacks as having "given up some intelligence"? Now, we're getting to the core of your beliefs. Sorry, I've met too many smart blacks to believe that.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW This was all based on the idea of Darwinism, which you so fondly believed until you saw that it didn't help you. But in accordance with genetic theory, that would be the case. You and I both have met many smart black people. Possibly a way of proving Darwin wasn't as smart as he said. If he were right however, there would be more smart black men then there are now as a result of that ethnic cleansing.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "Albert Einstein once wrote in 1946 that racism in America was its "worst disease." From 1981 to 1997 the US Department of Agriculture discriminated against tens of thousands of black farmers by denying loans to them which were granted to white farmers in similar situations. It was a famous Supreme Court Case."
Albert Einstein was not in a position to judge us and the Supreme Court OFTEN screws up.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW I didn't believe you had any racism in you (until I saw how you laughed at the idea of the gruesome and inhumane dismemberment of human beings for being black), and whether you do or not you should not be punished because you have committed no crimes. You are seeing this the wrong way. You are not being punished for something your ancestors have done. But their actions have repercussions which are now being felt by your generation. Similar to the roaring 20s and the Great Depression.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "I didn't believe you had any racism in you (until I saw how you laughed at the idea of the gruesome and inhumane dismemberment of human beings for being black),"
Yeh, ya did (I'm white, after all) and nobody laughed at Emmitt Till's murder. I laughed at the idea that somehow I should pay for his murder, simply because the klansman murderer and I have the same skin color. My ancestors fought and died in the Union Army and Navy, which is why you're free to write your comments.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW No one ever said you have to pay, and the Union Army wasn't out to free slaves. Abolitionists were a hated people even in the North. The spreading of abolitionist sentiment through pamphlets or speeches was outlawed by President Buchanan's administration. The Union army fought to preserve the Union. Many of them could care less about black people. But either way, it's not that you have to pay. It's that some people's actions in the past have repercussions that affect you now.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "No one ever said you have to pay, and the Union Army wasn't out to free slaves. "
Even if that were true (I contend that it is not), the fact is that the Union Army and Navy DID free the slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Only the slaves that were captured. The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the border states as they did not secede. Lincoln also wrote many times to various people that he would never have tackled the issue of slavery were the preservation of the Union at stake. I know I didn't believe it until I read it either.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the border states as they did not secede. Lincoln also wrote many times to various people that he would never have tackled the issue of slavery were the preservation of the Union at stake. I know I didn't believe it until I read it either."
Lincoln was destined into his historical role. Slavery (officially) ended with the ratification of the 13th & 14th Amendments in 1868. If the South had won, it wouldn't have occured.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW That's correct, he had no care for slave emancipation at all. He was destined into his historical role. So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense. They fought because Lincoln told them they had to preserve the Union, not because they had to end slavery.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense."
Yes, EVERYONE should be exempt from the grip of A.A.!!!
SteveLLW 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense."
I bet it would make sense to the dead and mangled Union soldiers. That's just a guess, of course.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "So to say something like the Union Army fought to free slaves and my grandpa did so I'm exempt from Affirmative Action won't make much sense"
It would make sense to the dead Union soldiers, I bet.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Yes, let's lament all the poor dead Union soldiers. Forget Till, whose face was smashed to a bloody pulp and then suffocated with barbed wire. Forget Hose, whose fingers, limbs, and genitals were cut off, whose face was skinned off and whose body was burned alive and whose knuckles were on display in the town convenience store. Forget the 13 year old child stoned to death in Chicago for getting pulled by a current into the white beach. Forget all of them. But never forget the Unioners!
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Yes, let's lament all the poor dead Union soldiers. Forget Till, whose face was smashed to a bloody pulp....."
You don't give a hoot about any of them, unless you think you can use them as bludgeons against whites.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW Yeah you are right. I am deep inside mad at white people as an Asian history major because of all the grief they caused me. On the contrary, I find white people like my white girlfriend to be great people. She has the same view that I do, which is that people need to stop thinking of Affirmative Action as "payback" or "revenge" and realize that it is a necessary correction of socioeconomic injustices past, like socialist reforms were to free market capitalism failures, and vice versa.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 "Yeah you are right. I am deep inside mad at white people as an Asian history major because of all the grief they caused me. On the contrary, I find white people like my white girlfriend to be great people. She has the same view that I do, which is that people need to stop thinking of Affirmative Action as "payback" or "revenge.........."
"All the grief THEY caused me"? "THEY"? All white people, or some, or a few, or one?
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW No white people have ever caused me grief, you seemed not to catch the sarcasm there. It should have been obvious when I said "Yeah you are right"
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
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@mavriksfan11 "No white people have ever caused me grief, you seemed not to catch the sarcasm there. It should have been obvious when I said "Yeah you are right"
Quite often, things said in jest are the truth at its best.
Yup, you have a grudge against whites. It's either that, or you just think you're gunna get some of the Affirmative Action spoils. Either way, it sucks.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 " Yes, let's lament all the poor dead Union soldiers. Forget Till, whose face was smashed to a bloody pulp.............."
You don't care about any of them. You just care about pushing Affirmative Action. Well, selling Affirmative Action these days is like selling pork ribs at a Kosher foods convention. Good luck.
SteveLLW 1 year ago
@SteveLLW That is very cleer. Pork ribs at a Kosher foods convention. Haha! But I do retain interest in those victims as well as genocide victims in Africa today. And people given the death penalty in countries like China for marijuana possession. I feel that it is in History's darkest moments that the true enormous capacity for sheer rage, hatred, and animal-like carnage is shown. When a man's face is torn off as he is living it always opens a man's eyes to the Devil's work in action on Earth.
mavriksfan11 1 year ago
@mavriksfan11 I do believe you are coming at this from the wrong angle. Yes, what was done to your granparents was disgusting. None of us (including you.....right) know how they must have felt to be treated so awfully. I can't even go into it, because words are no good. You know that as we all do. But to expect white people to lose their jobs over what happened when their grandparents were in charge is simply madness. At some point we move on as equals. That point is now!
monk3yboy69 7 months ago
@mavriksfan11 You say BOO HOO, whitey had to get a new job. The problem is Whitey never finds a job again, forcing his family onto the streets or further down the economic ladder. How is that justice? How can a country say we have learned and moved on when we now make the same mistakes in reverse?
monk3yboy69 7 months ago
@monk3yboy69 A study done by the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that full-time employed white men earn a 28.6 percent higher median of weekly salaries than black men. In addition, two professors from UofChicago and MIT conducted a study submitting the same resumes to establishments but changing the names to be either "black names" like DeShawn or "white names" like Connor, they found that white names received 27% more callbacks while black names received 8% more calls than a control resume.
mavriksfan11 7 months ago
Great video hahaha
utubesux101 1 year ago
Real racism does exist: throughout Asia and Africa. There doesn't seem to be much talk of "diversity" in the countries there.
BasilBrushFanClub 1 year ago
u gotta be F*^kin playin Im black and finished college with honors, i took a job on wall street. when the market, crashed the Black and Brown people where the first to go! People of color are First fired and last Hired. I cant stand how white people make themselves out to be so oppressed like people of color are takin their jobs in corporate Amer. Also This is a fact that White women are considered minorities an get the benefits 7 out of 10 times. This is a fact look it up!
MrJoepenigar 1 year ago
@MrJoepenigar
But it's also a fact that a white-run business is required to have a minimum ratio of ethnic minority employees (I don't know the exact ratio), but ethnic-minority-run businesses are NOT required to have a minimum ratio of white employees.
I know of a shop that had to close because the only ethnic minority staff member they could find was a teen who had friends around all day and intimidated customers, but they couldn't fire him, because that would be 'racist'.
EmberShadowHawk 1 year ago
@MrJoepenigar they pull the same shit with mexicans, like white people wanna clean toilets and make sandwiches. stop with the bullshit whites.
VeNeM999 1 year ago
Brilliant!
ashken79 1 year ago
"Ohh, suuuuuuugar" lol
Loved the whole sketch Trav--great acting and comedic timing by both of you! :)
OhioAngel 1 year ago
Comments implying that qualified doctors will be replaced by unqualified minorities is a misunderstanding. Former presidents of prestigious schools, William Bowen (Harvard) & Neil Rudenstine (Princeton) wrote research papers claiming 95% of academically qualified applicants were denied simply due to the limited room at these schools and is not true that these universities will pick "unqualified" applicants simply because they are not white. However I do believe these quota systems are unfair.
geoffh2012 1 year ago
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affirmative action is racial discrimination against white americans end of story.
Australianawareness 1 year ago
Ahaha. This was really funny. If only he had pimped out his Suburban. Tch tch tch. ;D
IAmMrBucktooth8B 1 year ago
Racist...except backwards.
Mcoov 1 year ago
If this video offends anyone then it must be because that person is looking for something to be offended by. It is comedy and is meant as a joke and hater trolls can EAD.
greytorch 1 year ago
you can't say it, but Affirmative Action is kind of racist in itself, and in my opinion, utterly useless. But of course you can't say that or everyonce accuses you of racism.
pdlbean 1 year ago
@pdlbean
I'll say it. Affirmative action is pure racism. Ironically, the racist people who support that agenda accuse its antagonists of being....drum roll.....RACIST....
LibertyAtYourService 1 year ago 4
@LibertyAtYourService. Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Affirmative action is a public policy designed to redress social injustice. See the difference? I doubt you will.
danheloxdy 8 months ago
SCREAMS OH MY GOD!!!! you mentioned a race call the police, flag as inappropriate, block so you childeren can not see tell others about the horribale content in this video
thevampirevictoria 1 year ago
WOW, I find it amazing how PC this world has become and how uptight some get with humor. When we fail as a society to laugh at our own idiosyncrasies; we fail to open our minds to grow. They make a drug call Prozac which can help with this. People call your doctors now. I like your video and this very situation happened to me. I moved on and the company had to replace me with two people. Their loss and I am much better off now. Peace
Tango471 1 year ago
In sivartis videos there's usually the totally ignorant jackass and the dude who's like "wtf is going on!" Love it!
MusicMeg2012 1 year ago
This is some excellent writing and superb performances--you guys are fantastic!
TerriJFreedman 1 year ago
This was awesome. I say his name could've been whiter, like Joseph Paul Williamson.
REMsleeper428 1 year ago
I heard that people who have albinism actually are offended by the term "albino" ... Any offensive word though is only given power by people thinking it is offensive... or people saying it and trying to be rude.
Awesome video, as usual, Travis! DFTBA! (:
JePawsBo 1 year ago
I realize this is a satire, however I find myself wondering if the message is still disturbingly racist. It seems to be a satire of affirmative action as opposed to a satire of the racist, reactionary response affirmative action sometimes receives.
The acting was well done.
EvaLuna555 1 year ago
i was sat giggling all the way throught this XD
the acting was really good in this one i though :)
DemiAndRuby 1 year ago
haha :P kinda funny xD
SnuffEater 1 year ago
Oh....sugar!
amortussique 1 year ago
So, pretty sure I live down the street from Globex building, or should I say the "Intelsat" Building in DC. Or better yet, Great Video.
justdoiit87 1 year ago
@RoguenChild Affirmative action is set up to help level the playing field for minorities in the work place. There was a time where a percentage of people's salaries were funded by the government to encourage corporations to hire minorities. The argument from racists (and ignorant people) was that people of color were taking jobs away from white people and that people were getting the jobs based on skin color not who was best qualified. This is NOT the case, but racists always argue this.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
I love Travis's character in this, who says things like, "Oh, heavens!"
CapitaineJolie 1 year ago 4
@CapitaineJolie
He also says things like, "Great googily moogily!!" Maybe. I don't know.
~Trav
sivartis 1 year ago 9
Funny& actually happening at some places. lol
trippywalnut 1 year ago
weeell is not the best one but it's good
speedguitardemon 1 year ago
"White, white, white, white, white."
For a second there I thought you were quoting my mother.
TheWalkingNerd 1 year ago
this is NOT how affirmative action works and I'm afraid this send sends a racist message. It may not have bbeen your intent, but racsit white people already believe their jobs are in jeopardy due to affirmative action. I'm a subscriber and will unsubscribe if there's another racist video on your channel. You're such a sweet guy so I hope it wasn't your intention to send a racist message.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution One you have to beilve that this is just a video, just because people watch dosen't mean people are gonna think it. Its for entertainment purposes only. Just because avatar had humans killing blue people dosen't means it happens in the real world.
XaldinX 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution Best to unsubscribe now and live that secluded lifestyle you seem to hide in, learn to take things in stride...racist? Do you even comprehend the word Satire, to take this video in seriousness is not very mature and aware of your surrounding.
Wordcrafter 1 year ago
@Wordcrafter You're 37 so I hope you know that I was writing out of concern. Please read the history around affirmative action and the arguments made by racist before you assume I don't understand satire. Re-inforcing a racist belief that hurts minorities is NOT FUNNY! As an entertainer, Travis has a responsibility to make content that does not have underlying racist messages.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution Usually, most ppl who unreasonably label others with "racist" are of themselves a racist. 0o Yes, AA has helped many people in the work force, schools, and scholarship opportunities. That's great! In some cases, it was/is seriously needed. However, there will always be discrimination of another group as one group is favored. Calling AA a racist program isn't an attempt to hurt minorities--it's pointing out a fact. AA isn't perfect. Claiming that it is would be ignorance.
UndeniablyLiz 1 year ago
@UndeniablyLiz I encourage you to read more about anti-oppression to see how your analysis of reverse racism is flawed. You can not have discrimination of a group that is on the top of the privilage pyramid. Thanks for caring enough to respond though. Please keep caring about issues of oppression. We need to keep talking about it.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution Read more? You mean that if ideologically motivated, establishment-supported writers decide that "You can not have discrimination of a group that is on the top of the privilege pyramid" no one should have the right to disagree with such a foolish statement?
If slaves had read more on oppression they would have learned that slavery was the will of God. Maybe you realize now how flawed is your analysis.
If privilege comes from talent, it's not privilege.
secessionesubito 1 year ago
@secessionesubito I meant to educate yourself more about the history and immense amounts of analysis, research, and facts that exist around oppression in this country and beyond. Knowledge and research is not the enemy here. Opinions are great and thinking for yourself is essential. But, you need to fully learn about a subject before you can truly settle on an opinion. I was nicely implying the commenter was speaking from an uneducated standpoint. Thanks for your opinion.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution Not really what you said, which was to study more "to see how your analysis of reverse racism is flawed". I believe that if you'd study more on the subject, with an open mind, including opinions which many are trying to taboo out of the discussion, you would understand how real, dangerous and outrageous reverse discimination is. So it's really a matter of different opinions rather than insufficient knowledge. The matter is far from settled yet. I reciprocate your thanks.
secessionesubito 1 year ago
@secessionesubito I am curious as to how white upper class men are suffering from discrimination. The top of the chain can't be oppressed because they are the oppressing entity. They may be hated by the people they are oppressing, but whites do not suffer negatively from the hatred.
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secessionesubito 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution It is obvious that the worst effects of the racist and discriminating Affirmative Action regulations are on _lower_ class white people. This is why they exist at all. BUT also white bourgeoisie is adversely affected. What if a white well-off guy is forced by circumstances to be treated by an AA-assisted black surgeon, instead of a more qualified white one? He might die. Is this enough suffering? Where hiring isn't based on merit but on racial preference everyone suffers.
secessionesubito 1 year ago
@danceandrevolution "whites do not suffer negatively from [blacks'] hatred": this is truly horrifying. Have a look at criminal statistics focusing on how ridiculously bigger is the chance for a white to be attacked or murdered by a black than the other way around. And how relevant in too many cases is the racial element in those murders. You should do your own research, though, 'cause the press is not willing to tell you the hidden truth on this.
secessionesubito 1 year ago
@secessionesubito Its natural to hate people oppressing you. Its not natural to oppress people based on color, gender, sexuality, etc. White upper class men still have far more advantages than black working class women. I don't condone hatred towards others, but I can understand why oppressed classes are angry.
danceandrevolution 1 year ago
@Wordcrafter danceandrevolution was being relatively respectful in what she was saying. I don't agree with her eigther, but I don't think it warrants rudeness. I'm just pointing this out. Danceandrevolution, thank you for stating your opinion politely for the most part.
SavingThePlanet4Ever 1 year ago
Oh wow, this is very funny.
puertoricandude1982 1 year ago
hahaaha that was great!
amurderofcrowz 1 year ago
I thought this was great.
MrFunkyteaspoon 1 year ago
hahahahahaha this video was GREAT!!!!
HearTheBlue 1 year ago
Don't hate Whitey.
KyahTheAuthor 1 year ago
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not one of your better ones. lame at best!
Texasred63 1 year ago
interesting social commentary
dcelliott12 1 year ago
White white white! Haha that was so awesome :)
emilylime88 1 year ago
Did they JUST change the layout again?
ThePeePaw 1 year ago 3
@ThePeePaw you bet...know i cant find anything haha
xXKyledkXx 1 year ago