The NHS may not have a better specialist treatment but health care is about much more than that. Health is part of bigger plan which uses prevention and advertisement of good health which the UK is far more superior and yes we may have to wait more and have poorer teeth but that is a very small sacrafice to pay so all citizens in my society can recieve care as not in the case of the US who dumps cancer patients on the streets if they cant pay the bill "Shame on you America".
World capitalism is the MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and distortions for the material interest of the crminal ruling elite. Capitalism is the useless employment system of wage slavery .exploitation and suffering of the working class. A genuine SOCIALIST MOVEMETN FOR A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our collective energies in harmony and wisdom for our common needs and well being.
A TREASURE AN ABSOLUTE TREASURE! HE IS RIGHT and I live in England, my Daughter owes her Life to Whiston & St Helens hospitals in North West, and so do I.
Health care isn't a right, it's a service and it baffles me why people think health care is 'free' or should it be. It isn't, and socialized health care kills people.
@justgetsome Take your view and shove it up your ass, Your deceived by capitalist ideas which have tricked you into believing in systems where socialism is regarded as evil. If you dare to say a bad word about the NHS i will ask for your name and pay for a plane ticket for you to come over to the UK and sit you down in front of NHS doctors, nurses or even patients in hospitals and you can look them in the eye and ask them what they think of the NHS and i guarantee everyone will say its great.
@bryninato69 ...until your mother dies from socialized health care. you are probably on gov't welfare anyway. Live well and prosper on other people's dimes loser, and clean your mouth up scouser.
@justgetsome Typical Ignorant Yank comment, I bet YOU are on Welfare & are not fully covered, I have Relatives who are worth £3-4Million and he won't use anything else! You don't understand you pay tax and some of that pays for NHS we all pay, & we all use IT.
@justgetsome Canada benefits from quite a similar system based upon ours Excellent, Sick of US folk 'calling' what they don't even understand properly, with 45 million with ZILCH Healthcare, spending Trillions Killing (primarily) Unarmed Afghan Peasants-Folk so who are they to point the 'critical' finger at anyone.
@wind4watts ...for all the money that canada throws at health care we were able to place on 29th on the WHO report years ago right below some 3rd world banana republics.. Now the braindead will say, well we must have gotten a higher ranking....that might be true if the WHO ranked anymore. I wonder why they stopped in the first place? Oh...yeah people didn't like the results.
health care IS a right. In any country that want to call its self civilised. It has worked in the UK for 60 years and still does. I owe my life to the NHS , I have has 5 major surgical operations in my life all on the NHS and all for free.
@assym2006 ..it isn;t a right. you have the right to your body and liberty but healthcare is a service and people should pay for services. The UK is broke, you can't even pay your bills, your currency is worth 30% less of what it was just a couple years ago. Socialism has killed a once powerful empire and left you as a joke, the asshole of Europe on an island that you can't even rule the entirety of. the Scots hate you so do the welch, live with that 'please help me' man.....loser.
it is a right here. which we pay for perfectly well thank you. you accuse us of being broke, that's funny coming from an american. Socialism is not a dirty word mate it means people looking after each other. How can you say that is wrong ?
@assym2006 ...once again, i'm canadian but the same shit socialist system and it doesn't work. People die from socialised medicine. Our politiicans don't even get health care from canada they go to the states. I moved overseas and life in a country that hasa co-pay system. It works fine because people have to pay premiums and when they visit or seek medical attention. you go the theatre you buy a ticket, you go see a professional medical expert and you don't? it's a service, you need to pay.
we also pay our way , just though tax not insurance premiums and there is not of this ´pre existing condition ´rubbish.
Here is the UK health care IS a right. You theatre comparison does not stand up. people can chose not to go to the theatre they can not chose not to get sick.
@assym2006 ...you brought up a good point but the fact that individuals should keep themselves healthy and in doing so won't rely on this system. Why anyone would want to be grouped into one collective where the indivdual has no restrictions is beyond me. People that drink heavily and have smoked for 40years take no responsibility in your system and that is simply not feasible to people that think. I take care of my body and have catastrophic insusrance is something bad happen to me.=responsible
so do I, but both of us can still get cancer I am sorry to say. You are part of a collective , thats what an insurance plan is. ours is simple bigger and run by the state. Now I agree that folk should do they bit and keep themselves as fit as is possible. I can´t stand seeing the 30 stone (500 pounds ?) chain smoking heavy drinker , I just cant understand how anyone can do that to themselves.
@assym2006 ...but that's the problem with socialized medicine; there is no restraint, there are no individual responsibilities. People when they go to the hospital should pay something for the visit. I have friends who are doctors back home and no one is happy with the system. They say their appoitments are old people that are lonely and have no one to talk too. If it cost $50 a visit they wouldn't bother Dr. with 'my back hurts', well of course it does you are 85 years old.
@justgetsome I know of no conservative no socialist no liberal or communist ** that does not believe in individual responsibility. If your back is hurting it's not because you are 85 but because there is something wrong with your back. If it costs $50 to see a Dr then those that cannot afford $50 cannot see one those that do will. The fact you can afford $50 does not make you any more worthy than the person who does not have $50 only richer. ** In truth I don't no any communists.
@davijeph ...no you are 85, of course your back is going to hurt. Friends of mine who are doctors tell me half of their patient roster is old people that are lonely and have nothing better to do than go to the doctor because it's free. Their words my friend not mine.
@justgetsome My friend, while I am old am not there yet by a long chalk. I very much doubt that an American like you knows that many British GP's " patient roster"? I think you mean "appointments". Given the wide range of community opportunities for the aged in the UK I doubt there are that many old folk who would not ,given the choice opt for a nice cup of tea and a sarny with their mates rather than troll of to the Drs. At least in the UK everybody has a Dr.
@davijeph you are running out of decent doctors, they are going to the states and being replaced by Dr. fro m the congo and other sub-saharian entities? please...yeah those aren't degree mill outfits.
And no not everyone in the UK has a GP. It stands around the same as Canada. 15-20% don't. and of those who do the ratio is 1 doctor for 5,000 people. In the 1970s it was 1;1000.. Hurry for social health care! Make those lines longer and we will eventually kill you even before you get in!!
@justgetsome Why do you feel the need to lie and bullshit so much? Health Statistics > Physicians > per 1,000 people (most recent) by country Cuba 5.91 per 1000 in 2002. US 2.3 per 1000 in 2002. UK 2.2 per 1000 in 2003. Canada 2.1 per 1000 in 2003. If any UK citizen is not registered with a GP or medical Dr and I very much doubt many are not (why should they not be given they are paying for it no matter what). Now good bye.
@justgetsome such a dumb point to make, how many people die because they dont go to the doctor because they dont want to bother them, you hear stories all the time of how people could have been cured if they had acted faster.... remember Jade Goody? the big brother winner, she died because she missed a 6month check up , so putting a proce on visits would only deter people going when they have minor problems when infact the doctor could find something much more serious
@dan11009 ..no, those people don't go because it isn't free. that's my point, no service should be free. Is your oil change free? is your dental work free? is your plumber free? My god if you don't have $50 to see the doctor you need to die because you are a drag on everyone.
@justgetsome it not free in socialized countries either, you pay it from taxes, if america stopped using its tax money to bomb people in mud huts then maybe they could provide a service that people actually wanted, everyone in the countries pays for healthcare when they work, and if they lose their job or become disabled, well there is money in the "pot" to pay for them, thats how it works, its not free - its just a better system than charging people crazy premiums
@dan11009 ...throwing more money or any money won't solve the system. The system itself is broken. I live in a country where we have a co-pay system(south korea) and it works wonderfully. I pay if i go and get treatment, i have individual insurance for catastrophic injury or disease. i don't want to be grouped into a mass of people that have no restrictions placed on them other than being a citizen, People need to take responsibility for themselves and their health.
@justgetsome so what about the people that are injured so badly they cant afford medicine? tough luck, god hates them>? is that the attitude. states need to insure the health and safety of its citizens, we have governments for a reason, to provide public services, and in my eyes public healthcare is the best use of tax revenue, it provides jobs to thousands and saves millions - education and healthcare surely the two most importaint things for a government to fund
@dan11009 ...they should have had insurance. You walked by 10 homeless people today, did you stop and help them all? no, probably not one of them yet you sit here and tell me how it's so bad to NOT help people? you have selective bleeding heart syndrome. We can't help everyone but guess what? everyone can help themselves. you have the right to your life and liberty but the roll of gov't is to provide national defense, that's it constiutionally.
@dan11009 ..I understand this concept is a failure, like all social programs in the past and the brain fart ones to come. Medicare/medicade in the states has cost 10times their origional budget, 10times! do you understand this number? The world's thrid largest employer behind the chinese army and the indian railsystem is the UK healthcare juggernaught;. the 3rd!! There are more administrators than doctors and nurses combined. You have been sold a bad bill of good my friend, wake up!
@justgetsome the bill thats picked up with tax payer money - i would rather my money go to the UK healthcare than some military campaign or lining the pockets of the wealthy, this isnt a charity, its paid for by the people for the people, and no party in the country will try to dismantle it for fear losing votes - if we can afford to go to wars, we can afford to keep our citizens healthy,
@justgetsome Given you refer to the NHS being the worlds 3rd largest employer and considering it looks after the heath of over 64,000,000 people how many people including those employed in your medical insurance giants are employed to run and maintain the US's bureaucratic insurance based system using 16% of US GDP in the process yet is still only rated 37th in world wide for healthcare. A system in which one US citizen dies every 12 min's because they lack the correct insurance?
@davijeph ...that's your justification? well it's 64million people so therefore it should be such an amazing number? come on man are you really that dumb? I told you their are more admininstrators than doctors, it's a nightmare. no, America is ranked very highly for health care, certainly not #37. people go to america to get work done, not England that's for sure. Where is your bullshit source of this ranking anyway? l
@justgetsome With an estimated 45 million uninsured Americans, some 500,000 trekked overseas last year for medical treatment, according to the National Coalition on Health Care. Now answer my question"how many people including those employed in your medical insurance giants are employed to run and maintain the US's bureaucratic insurance based system"? Are you serially telling me there are more Drs in in the US system than administrators. For rating see WHO rating. Stop looking at Daniel Hannan
@justgetsome ...SOCIAL ised medi SIN kills my "friend"? YEAH.That is why we (in UK)are ALL dead...Including me! lm speaking from beyond the grave...(by the way)...just hoping Jebus passes by and waves his massive (erm l mean) magic-wand and cures me - OF BEING DEAD! Might happen (IF the "free" market allows it!) Anyway-when is "Celebrity RICH MEN On Ice Eating PENISES While Dancing In The Jungle With Their Big Brother"-On? My life will be OVER if l miss that! Oooh-THE penises...(OR 'foot'ball)
I wish the US would leave our Health Service alone. As Mr. Prescott has said previously, we had the debate about the NHS when it was implemented by people who had a financial interest in keeping it private. But they didn't point to other systems as examples and annoy any other government. Please Sarah Palin, keep you ill-informed opinions about others Health Care Systems to yourself!
Well I have just seen SiCKo by moore and wonderful America hospitals are dumping patients out on the street if they can’t afford health care, a baby girl died in a hospital after another hospital refused to treat her because they are not covered by the insurance the holder had, and a man having to made a choose of saving a $12000 finger or the $60,000 finger – How civilized America is, in regards to being a third world country.... Iran has better health care for it’s people!!
@TheFireHorseUK You realize Sick is fake right. Moore is an fing liar and manipulates the show in order to make it look one way. This has been proven time and time again. Dont swallow the kool-aid my friend.
@cwood4ever – If you think any of the information is ‘fake’ then please let me know which part – I will research and come back to you in the facts. Don’t just say ‘all of it’ – break it down to the individual partsthat you say is 'fake', and if you go silent I'll take that it was a ‘trolling’ comment.
@TheFireHorseUK Are you serious you do realize people have sued Moore that have been in his shows because he took what they said out of context or had them read a script not knowing what it was for. You may think i am joking but you can look it up, just google it. Moore actually had the gaul to say that Cuban health care is better than the USA, but what we dont see is the hospitals for top party members not the Common Cuban.Millions fled from Castro Cuba to the USA, why is this? Just do research
@cwood4ever A few facts for you since you are clearly not going to leave any. You do have to remember that Cuba is a second/third-world country, not like the US which is a first-class. Life expectancy at birth m/f – cuba 76.0/80.0 / US 77.0/81.3
Total health expenditure as % of GDP: Cuba 7.3 / US 15.3
Now those figures should make you wonder where is all the money going in the US,
.... and since you don’t have a full healthcare service someone is making a lot of money from not going much.
The hospital Moore visited in Cuba is for Health Tourist and senior members of the Cuban’s society, Heath Tourist are in the figures of about 20,000, generating revenues of around $40 million a year for the Cuban economy. Cuba has been serving health tourists from around the world for more than 20 years.
....The country operates a special division of hospitals specifically for the treatment of foreigners and diplomats.
Now not every hospital ward will look like the ones on Moore’s film but you are missing that the Cuban citizen will get a free heath care as to the US where you have a record 50.7 million Americans—16.7% of the population were uninsured in 2009 and so have no healthcare.
@cwood4ever The USA is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e., some kind of private or public health insurance). In 2009 Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.
Same interesting notes are: In response to the 2005 Hurricane Katrina disaster, Castro offered to send a "brigade" of 1,500 doctors to the U.S. to provide humanitarian aid, but was never accepted
@TheFireHorseUK First of all a Cuban doctor is crap and their medical schools aren't even on par with American Schools that's number one.
Second of all you say are 44 thousand die. Thats fine because its out of over 300 million people thats not bad at all. Im not even accounting for the millions of illegals .So your point is void with the fact that well people die all the time and some times even the best doctors cant save you. Life sucks and sometimes people die.
@cwood4ever “I win” – really, at not using factual data to back up your argument that ‘Cuban doctors’ are not trained to a standard that the (WHO) is fine with or that you can’t read people’s comments such as;
“Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.” – meaning not total deaths in US but ones that could have be avoided with medical care.
You win at not being very bright, more so when your arugment is "Life sucks ...."
@cwood4ever Since you are one of these people who don’t know how to do research, the (WHO) is the World Health Organisation, and Harvard being Harvard University, a private Ivy League university located in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
@cwood4ever Deaths in US for year 2007 : 2,423,712. Deaths for Americans (not illegals) due to lack of insurance approximately 45000 for 2009 (Harvard study). Percentage of uninsured deaths in US approximately one in fifty given that the very poor and seniors have access to medicare and Medicaid the percentage of American citizens who die because they lack insurance is going to be much higher, Why do you think millions of US citizens choose to have no health cover or poor guilty health cover?
@cwood4ever You are the worst debater ever. You have been owned here. You haven't used any facts or evidence to backup you're argument and anyone who has to claim "I win" means they have lost and are an uteer douchebag.
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Sorry but the NHS in the north is not as you think otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people who lose there lives, on the other hand have a think by you self why England have a much higher rate of mortality that other EU countries?
And how many doctors over here have killed their patients by prescribing the wrong drug or simply telling them (it’s all just in your mind) and what have they learnt about it?
@Morgena1 Sorry, but your English is so bad you are not making any sense. So you are ether a six years old child or not a Brit and English is at best your second language. I note you did not respond to any of my questions, again your comments make no sense and doubt you have ever used the NHS in your life.
Sorry man but I cannot agree with you because I had a very rotten treatment over here and being bullied out of surgeries cos I did know too much about medicine which many UK doctors hated me for.
@Morgena1 What surgeries were you bullied out of (you must be a very weak person to be bullied by a Dr) and where did you gain all your medical knowledge that made you so "hated" by so many UK Doctors? Why, if you are a UK citizen to you refer to the UK as being "over here" if the UK was your home you would not be "over here" at best you would be just "here"? Just out of interest how many Dr's is many? If you were seen by "many" Dr's on the NHS how many GP's are you registered with?
@crazyboyxx No. It's because the US see healthcare for what it REALLY is - a service. A service that should be best provided through the market with people able to choose where to best spend their money in accordance to their own requirements and the quality of the service they provide. It is the bonkers socialist mess that has almost bankrupted the European continent numerous times, and a left wing media that has led us not to question the state monopoly.
@Maino88 Europeans view healthcare both as a service and a right that is why in the UK the bulk of medical care is provided by the National Health SERVICE every citizen gets coverage. I suspect that even those who can afford to pay for private health insurance (about 11% of the population, most get it as a "perk" of their employment) also have access to their own NHS GP, would almost certainly make use of the NHS in an emergency and know they will never go bankrupt because of medical costs.
@crazyboyxx I am a British citizen. I know. Don't tell me that state education in the UK is 'very good'. I spent 15 years in state education and its massively disappointing. The NHS is a bloated, inefficient, counter-productive "safety net" with actually offers such a poor general service that it doesn't offer many people much safety at all. Particularly from poor care, or superbugs. Care is not as good. Outcomes are worse, and we don't even have the choice to spend our money elsewhere.
@Maino88 You can opt out of the NHS if you have alot of cash you can get a great private health plan and good for you...but if you have an accident or an emergency you WILL call 999 and get NHS care...so do not knock it and do not deny others who do not have the money to buy health care.
I know what part of this is is about. English people think if you're sick, it's outside your control, there's no blame involved. There are other cultures within Europe and I'm sure well beyond it that regard sickness as a shame. For some a deep shame. I could never say to my father that I was ill for example. People from his country have some of the lowest per capita incomes in Europe but the best health statistics. Poor health is your problem, but for the Brits, it's the country's.
all these people are working for the islamic caliphate its why they never ever criticize muslims for the shit they doing now ..like AFRICAN SLAVERY THAT THEY HAVE NEVER STOPPED ENGAGING IN!!!!
US healthcare 45000 die every year because they do not have access to medical insurance (Harvard uni report) 60% of all US bankruptcies have a connection with medical costs (Harvard report). US health care waste a trillion dollars every year and cost twice that of comparable countries but achieve no better overall result . Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” US rated by W.H.O no 37 in health quality UK rated 18.
The right to healthcare is part of the UN Declaration on Human Rights. That so many die each year in the US because of a lack of healthcare is an abuse of human rights.
As usual Mr Pilger glosses over situations with high rhetoric. As a Brit I can honestly say that the numerous encounters I have had with the NHS has been defined by mediocrity. The lack of ingenuity in our system, and the lack of REAL choice is a massive problem. John's 5 local hospitals is not representative of the situation most people have. The NHS is suffocating a small but high quality private healthcare industry in the UK. I urge the US not to go down our route.
@whiskasalpha Healthcare is a service that is best provided by having a range of providers. You do NOT get to tell me that I should not be able to get what I think is the best quality of healthcare for me or my family by spending my own hard earned cash...comrade.
European healthcare systems are so up their own arse with their moral superiority that they have forgotten that they have a duty to taxpayers to be innovative in the way healthcare is provisioned in a free society.
@Maino88 You do NOT get to tell me that I should not be able to get what I think is the best quality of healthcare for me or my family by spending my own hard earned cash...comrade.
Listen to it.. My family, my hard earned cash.. BLah BLah Blah..
What makes you and yours more important than anyone else!
Answer NOTHING!
I have my own business, doing very well thankyou, i choose not to have children becuase i personally hate them.. Yet i pay my taxes for everybody else..
What makes mine more important is that it is mine. It is the lives of myself and my family. I best provide for it and them accordingly.
Pay taxes like an obedient citizen. Not questioning the system we have created whereby we tie the lives of those less fortunate to dependency on the state through micromanaged social engineering? When we truly analyse who the welfare state has benefited most in terms of outcomes. It's no surprise the answer is the Labour party.
It's about racism. US people don't consider everyone living and working in this country to be equal. It's this racist mindset that puts forth the nonsense about socialism and how people don't want the government making them pay for everyone. It's the same excuse that was used during slavery, segregation and a host of other things.
who the fuck cares what the americans think? it's the same old shit every fucking day... they wake up for a moment and see "ooh those other countries are doing this better" then their media puts the gears in and all the fucking absurd bullshit starts.
if they want to keep their ridiculous system, let them... ignorance is bliss?
@Thetruthishere11 At leased 44000000 and up to one-third of all Americans can be without insurance many millions more without adequate insurance to cover health costs and go bankrupt , over 22000 US citizens die every year because they do not have the correct medical cover. You are to cowardly to comment on "the US Healthcare system in international Context" which shows just how false Beck and Hannans claims are, you pathetic little twerp.
It's simple. Everybody who works contributes. Anyone who needs healthcare, gets it.
If you don't need health care ,you've wasted your dough. But that's insurance.
American business has always succeeded because it gave the consumer what the consumer wants. That doesn't apply in the medical insurance business because their first obligation is to their shareholders.
Off course Britain's NHS is much superior to what is available to Americans. Howeve, Britains NHS is probably a joke compared to what the French, Swedes, Dutch, Italians and Germans enjoy.
I find it incredible that Americans are even debating this. They don't seem to mind their taxes going to buy nuclear weapons and other arms. Or to some pointless space program...but seem to have a reservations about their taxes going to curing their own people when they're sick????
wonder how they feel now that the NHS is going to be controlled now by the hospitals and the doctors instead of the govt? LOL So priceless. they are going the other way we used to be, and we are going down the rabbit hole where they used to be. Outrageous.
Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of commodity production for abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration . A system of wage slavery in an employment system of suppression and dehumanistion. We need to transcend this false limits to our creative cooperative energies for a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity . Capitalism is evil
i love america but i dont wanna pay 68000 dollars for some bullshit tests and treatments when i have a broken leg, so i think imma move to france or england... should i?
It's only slightly higher taxes,It makes me laugh how Americans think that we Europeans pay much higher taxes than you, when in fact we pay the same or less, and we get a higher standard of living from those taxes.
Better education, better public transport and better health care.
America's public transportation is adequate for our situation. If there was more of a demand for it than we would get it. Europeans don't realize that America is 2 times the size as continental Europe, public transportation doesn't work as well in North America just like it doesn't work well in Russia. Europe is compact with a high population density and public transportation works very well.
To many people in Britain, the National Health Service or "NHS" really is a treasure, from personal experience, it saved my life when I was 3 months old, saved my fathers life when he was in a car accident and without it, life would be very different for me, I probably wouldn't even be alive without it.
How can Americans not see that it's a good thing? it seems so easy to understand, it will probably save someone you love one day.
He had a chopper fly him to hospital with 2 paramedics on board keeping him alive.He had major heart surgery,the aneurysm repaired and 3 more further major operations over the next week,a further 4 weeks of 24 hour 1 to 1 critical care nursing.He was wired up to just about every machine you can think of.He was on dialysis and a host of other treatments for moths afterwards.Total bill...a big fat ZERO.
Not entirely true. I live in the netherlands and the new hc. we had for about 4-5 years sucks period. the trend america fears is what we also see overhere but in a milder fashion. the fraud still goes for where i live and the hc. we receive. corp insurance companies took over, decide what citizens get for what price. they decide how healthy you may be. only the ones with enough money can additionally BUY THE REAL HC. The kind that really matters and makes your life so much better.
I 'm portuguese and i can say to you that the portuguese constitution defend the NHS and it's for a good reason... to defend the humans right of any portuguese. To all mighty power Americans, look for your neighbor Cuba, even though is facing a economic siege by US, their healthcare is free charge... Aren't US more richer than them? So, why the fear for NHS... You american's talk very much about freedom, so how could you be free if you only receive a treatment if you have money to pay it.
I currently work for a NHS care company which provides home care for elderly
The care we provide are for a range of elderly that have had health problems and need extra support.
I go to help one man who has had a stroke. He has worked all his life but in very manual, low paid jobs. If he lived in the USA he could not afford healthcare.
If this man did not receive the help we give him he would be dead within days.
UK people could not sleep at night allowing this to happen
@jimmywinny dead right mate n this i believe reflect the character of the ppl the Britiish are worlds apart from americans in Many ways here ppl are Liberal far better informed than yanks are far more caring specially for the underdog n SURE our national health care i believe its as good as any n the staff about the Best u could wish to met with few exceptions then again the country is miles better than america in every way
What a load of shit, we have insurance and social security in the US you retard. There is a reason why the US has a higher HDI index than Britain. People don't die on the streets for christ sake.
What on Earth do you mean by "US has a higher HDI index than Britain.People don't die on the streets for christ sake"
Wait... are you seriously saying that people die on the street in Britain?
The only time someone dies on the street is if they get hit by cars or murdered, and if you count that, the U.S has far more shootings, stabbings and murders compared to Britain.
And the UK does pay much higher taxes. You have a 17% sales tax. The US has anywhere from 5-7% depending on the state. Much more of your personal income goes to taxes as well. Your public services are not free by any means.
@raidon04 Check out the World Health Care Report. Much of that spending is on administration because of the billing system. Per person it is the most expensive in the world. It is also only like 50th in the world for average health care. Are you happy being 50th on average? Public health care is not free, taxes are higher, but we get whatever health care we want.
@MrLems87 At least 15.3% of the population is completely uninsured and a substantial additional portion of the population (35%) is "underinsured", or not able to cover the costs of their medical needs. Despite the fact that not all citizens are covered,USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to62% of all personal bankruptcies.[ Since,health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have annexed
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Come on don't just take my word for it. Theres so many authoratative people and articles and news reports regarding the down side of the NHS 'bigtime'. Yes it seems to be better than the US system but its like saying Saddam Hussein is better than Polpot. There is a saying regarding people who have a herd mentally and those like me who don't that is-'You laugh at me because I am different I laugh at you because you are all the same'
Being different or not is not the issue. It isn't about you it is about the issue. Free health care at the point of use is nothing like Saddam Hussein and only a moron would make such a weird comment.
Go live in the US and hope you don't get sick if you think there isn't much difference between our respective systems of health care. You fool.
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I despair! It seems all you good people are easily taken for a ride. The government only has to cunger up a system with their signature underneath it and the masses will willing follow without question. You can argue the point till the cows come home but you all know instinctively that the 'downsides ' of the NHS are too bad to just brush under the carpet. For goodness sake question these down sides don't just give the government the impression that people will except anything.
@bstocksful Nobody just accepts the NHS because the government stamps its sign upon it, in fact the NHS and how to improve it is a constant feature in every election, debate or political discussion. It's by no means perfect, and can always be improved, but the fact remains that In Britain everyone has access to healthcare free at the point of delivery, and the prospect of a US style system where those who can't afford are left to suffer seems barbaric
bstocksful Sorry I 'm not looking for an argument and I am quite willing to say that the NHS for its all its good sides as its down sides to .However I do not think things in the NHS on the whole are anywhere near as bad as you paint.Things for the bulk of the population would be far worse without it.The fact is it deals with millions of patients a year at far less cost per individual then the US ,I read somewhere that some 5% of the US population uses 90% of medical spending?
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"Every year doctors kill more brits than terrorists ever have" Vernon Coleman
90% of diabetics on insulin develop late complications of diabetes ie.blindness, retinopathy diabetic gangrene -they don't tell you about the dangers(R Mendelson M.D. coronary bypass ops 80% ineffective, unnecessary counter productive, caesuarean sections 75% unnecessary-endangering life mother and baby-thialidimide drug 1960-10.000 babies grotesque defects. Nurses decide who gets resusiated or not-still trust NHS?
@bstocksful This is all bullshit, i have no idea where you got this data from, and i can tell you from first hand experience that it is simply not true!
I take it you meant to say 'Thalidomide' . This was not an NHS failure, but a worldwide tragedy. The drug was developed in Germany. The 10,000 cases you refer to is a worldwide total. It really is time you and people like you learnt that we are able to check your wild accusations instantly [all hail google & wikipedia!] - on the plus side it does make it instantly obvious which contributors it is best to ignore.
@davijeph Don't fight me I want the same things as you- a sickless society that doesn't have to rely on any instituations to cure it. You hold on to the medical instituition as if it was your GOD. The same as religious and patriotists hold on to 'their' country. With the limited services that is being offered to mankind read Alimentarius codex it looks like nobody will be able to access anything but the medical option. Is that what you want - no choice? Go to the root of the problem.
NHS is big business in league with the drug pharmacuetical giants that keep patients on the medical merry go round. If you don't die of the illness you went in with you'll surely slowly suffer from the montage of sideeffects from the medical toy treatments and so called scientific poisonous drugs they admininster. Good health to you
the national health service is basically crap in the uk- it maybe better than other countries in some respects but go behind the scenes-be a long term in-patient look at the domestic care-look at the side effects of the drug treatments -most people die of the adverse effects-look at the nursing less care-overworked staff who are too tired to careless. and yes its the only avenue available for people in future-not wonder everyones getting sick or dying off.
@bstocksful Free speech is great but all you are peddling is a pack of incoherent lies.The NHS is perhaps the UK's finest achievement .Giving ,on the whole, top quality health care to every citizen free at the point of care.Nobody in the UK losers sleep because they cannot afford health care or goes bankrupt because of health costs .Think that the US system is better?Look up "Kayleen Flanery surviving cystic fibrosis" and "My struggle with the American healthcare system" .
@davijeph -thats your opinion-you're free to express your view-i should be able to give mine incoherent or not-by the way i don't think the us system is better but that still doesn't mean the uk system is.
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FUCK YOU John Pilger!, FUCK THE NHS!!!, AND FUCK SOCIALISM!!!!!!! I WANT TO LIVE IN ENGLAND SOOOOO BADLY, BUT THE STUPID SOCIALISM HAS KEPT HEALTHCARE ATROCIOUS, INCOMES LOW, AND TAXES HIGH! I CANT RAISE A FAMILY IN THAT! I'M FORCED TO LIVE IN THE FUCKING USA!!! I HATE IT HERE, BUT SADLY IT SEEMS IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT GETS IT RIGHT!!!!!
totally agree ...the system now is corrupt and vile. the lawmakers take money from all the drug companies and docs, so what do you expect? the system here should return to the founding fathers approach...send our guy(s) to congress and we pay them...not the federal govt and no campaign contributions.
@Thetruthishere11 Why did you course the winter of discontent in 1979,i ask because this brought in the
worse ever Tory in power, that destroyed all the things that the labour was putting together to help the working man and woman including those to ill to work and all becouse you dident get 10 per cent increes in your money why,you and us are worse of know and if you would have left well alone,the U.S.A woulden't been any problem know,please answear
I hope the USA comes up with some kind of national health care. I worked for a small business that could not afford to offer health care insurance. My private payer insurance was $825.00 per month. I paid these costs for 20 years before I was able to get on my wifes plan at her new job.
My understanding of the system in the US is that if you have insurance, you have to wrestle with the insurance companies to pay up. If you have poverty-level income, you either have medicaid/medicare or your costs get written off by "charity". Wealthy people in the US have access to the best HC. The poor get HC. But what about those above the specified cut-off level for charitable HC and still don't earn enough for comprehensive HC insurance? It's my feeling that they get left out in the cold.
Those that have nothing access healthcare either for free (they pay nothing ) or are on medicaid. These people actually have less problem accessing the ER than those with insurance. (here in USA) much of the economic loss is absorbed by the private sector both the hospital and the physician. These services are part of the unfunded mandate of EMTALA.
The NHS may not have a better specialist treatment but health care is about much more than that. Health is part of bigger plan which uses prevention and advertisement of good health which the UK is far more superior and yes we may have to wait more and have poorer teeth but that is a very small sacrafice to pay so all citizens in my society can recieve care as not in the case of the US who dumps cancer patients on the streets if they cant pay the bill "Shame on you America".
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Sleck06 1 month ago
World capitalism is the MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and distortions for the material interest of the crminal ruling elite. Capitalism is the useless employment system of wage slavery .exploitation and suffering of the working class. A genuine SOCIALIST MOVEMETN FOR A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our collective energies in harmony and wisdom for our common needs and well being.
arzoyan 1 month ago 4
Q: What is the difference between an NHS doctor/nurse and a private healthcare doctor/nurse?
A: An NHS doctor/nurse will care for you as long as you need care, a private healthcare doctor/nurse will care for you as long as you can pay!
bowserdogg 3 months ago
Does it not bother the U.S that amount of people who do not receive health care in the U.S nearly amounts to the entire population of the UK?
Preacherjonson 4 months ago
We are all twits and very very bad mouthed this that or other but 'Judgetsome' ain't even got the Balls to let his 'channel' be found Woos!
wind4watts 4 months ago
A TREASURE AN ABSOLUTE TREASURE! HE IS RIGHT and I live in England, my Daughter owes her Life to Whiston & St Helens hospitals in North West, and so do I.
wind4watts 4 months ago
Health care isn't a right, it's a service and it baffles me why people think health care is 'free' or should it be. It isn't, and socialized health care kills people.
justgetsome 5 months ago
@justgetsome Take your view and shove it up your ass, Your deceived by capitalist ideas which have tricked you into believing in systems where socialism is regarded as evil. If you dare to say a bad word about the NHS i will ask for your name and pay for a plane ticket for you to come over to the UK and sit you down in front of NHS doctors, nurses or even patients in hospitals and you can look them in the eye and ask them what they think of the NHS and i guarantee everyone will say its great.
bryninato69 5 months ago
@bryninato69 ...until your mother dies from socialized health care. you are probably on gov't welfare anyway. Live well and prosper on other people's dimes loser, and clean your mouth up scouser.
justgetsome 5 months ago
@justgetsome Typical Ignorant Yank comment, I bet YOU are on Welfare & are not fully covered, I have Relatives who are worth £3-4Million and he won't use anything else! You don't understand you pay tax and some of that pays for NHS we all pay, & we all use IT.
wind4watts 4 months ago
@wind4watts ..i'm canadian you twit.
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome Canada benefits from quite a similar system based upon ours Excellent, Sick of US folk 'calling' what they don't even understand properly, with 45 million with ZILCH Healthcare, spending Trillions Killing (primarily) Unarmed Afghan Peasants-Folk so who are they to point the 'critical' finger at anyone.
wind4watts 4 months ago
@wind4watts ...for all the money that canada throws at health care we were able to place on 29th on the WHO report years ago right below some 3rd world banana republics.. Now the braindead will say, well we must have gotten a higher ranking....that might be true if the WHO ranked anymore. I wonder why they stopped in the first place? Oh...yeah people didn't like the results.
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome
health care IS a right. In any country that want to call its self civilised. It has worked in the UK for 60 years and still does. I owe my life to the NHS , I have has 5 major surgical operations in my life all on the NHS and all for free.
assym2006 4 months ago
@assym2006 ..it isn;t a right. you have the right to your body and liberty but healthcare is a service and people should pay for services. The UK is broke, you can't even pay your bills, your currency is worth 30% less of what it was just a couple years ago. Socialism has killed a once powerful empire and left you as a joke, the asshole of Europe on an island that you can't even rule the entirety of. the Scots hate you so do the welch, live with that 'please help me' man.....loser.
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome
it is a right here. which we pay for perfectly well thank you. you accuse us of being broke, that's funny coming from an american. Socialism is not a dirty word mate it means people looking after each other. How can you say that is wrong ?
assym2006 4 months ago
@assym2006 ...once again, i'm canadian but the same shit socialist system and it doesn't work. People die from socialised medicine. Our politiicans don't even get health care from canada they go to the states. I moved overseas and life in a country that hasa co-pay system. It works fine because people have to pay premiums and when they visit or seek medical attention. you go the theatre you buy a ticket, you go see a professional medical expert and you don't? it's a service, you need to pay.
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome
we also pay our way , just though tax not insurance premiums and there is not of this ´pre existing condition ´rubbish.
Here is the UK health care IS a right. You theatre comparison does not stand up. people can chose not to go to the theatre they can not chose not to get sick.
assym2006 4 months ago
@assym2006 ...you brought up a good point but the fact that individuals should keep themselves healthy and in doing so won't rely on this system. Why anyone would want to be grouped into one collective where the indivdual has no restrictions is beyond me. People that drink heavily and have smoked for 40years take no responsibility in your system and that is simply not feasible to people that think. I take care of my body and have catastrophic insusrance is something bad happen to me.=responsible
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome
so do I, but both of us can still get cancer I am sorry to say. You are part of a collective , thats what an insurance plan is. ours is simple bigger and run by the state. Now I agree that folk should do they bit and keep themselves as fit as is possible. I can´t stand seeing the 30 stone (500 pounds ?) chain smoking heavy drinker , I just cant understand how anyone can do that to themselves.
assym2006 4 months ago
@assym2006 ...but that's the problem with socialized medicine; there is no restraint, there are no individual responsibilities. People when they go to the hospital should pay something for the visit. I have friends who are doctors back home and no one is happy with the system. They say their appoitments are old people that are lonely and have no one to talk too. If it cost $50 a visit they wouldn't bother Dr. with 'my back hurts', well of course it does you are 85 years old.
justgetsome 4 months ago
@justgetsome I know of no conservative no socialist no liberal or communist ** that does not believe in individual responsibility. If your back is hurting it's not because you are 85 but because there is something wrong with your back. If it costs $50 to see a Dr then those that cannot afford $50 cannot see one those that do will. The fact you can afford $50 does not make you any more worthy than the person who does not have $50 only richer. ** In truth I don't no any communists.
davijeph 3 months ago
@davijeph ...no you are 85, of course your back is going to hurt. Friends of mine who are doctors tell me half of their patient roster is old people that are lonely and have nothing better to do than go to the doctor because it's free. Their words my friend not mine.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome My friend, while I am old am not there yet by a long chalk. I very much doubt that an American like you knows that many British GP's " patient roster"? I think you mean "appointments". Given the wide range of community opportunities for the aged in the UK I doubt there are that many old folk who would not ,given the choice opt for a nice cup of tea and a sarny with their mates rather than troll of to the Drs. At least in the UK everybody has a Dr.
davijeph 3 months ago
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justgetsome 3 months ago
@davijeph you are running out of decent doctors, they are going to the states and being replaced by Dr. fro m the congo and other sub-saharian entities? please...yeah those aren't degree mill outfits.
And no not everyone in the UK has a GP. It stands around the same as Canada. 15-20% don't. and of those who do the ratio is 1 doctor for 5,000 people. In the 1970s it was 1;1000.. Hurry for social health care! Make those lines longer and we will eventually kill you even before you get in!!
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome Why do you feel the need to lie and bullshit so much? Health Statistics > Physicians > per 1,000 people (most recent) by country Cuba 5.91 per 1000 in 2002. US 2.3 per 1000 in 2002. UK 2.2 per 1000 in 2003. Canada 2.1 per 1000 in 2003. If any UK citizen is not registered with a GP or medical Dr and I very much doubt many are not (why should they not be given they are paying for it no matter what). Now good bye.
davijeph 3 months ago
@davijeph ...yeah, move to cubu bro, they will love you there.
justgetsome 2 months ago
@justgetsome such a dumb point to make, how many people die because they dont go to the doctor because they dont want to bother them, you hear stories all the time of how people could have been cured if they had acted faster.... remember Jade Goody? the big brother winner, she died because she missed a 6month check up , so putting a proce on visits would only deter people going when they have minor problems when infact the doctor could find something much more serious
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ...she wasn't 85. My doctor friends tell me their patient list half shouldn't even be there.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome but in america they bill the people that shouldnt be there anyway? -
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ..no, those people don't go because it isn't free. that's my point, no service should be free. Is your oil change free? is your dental work free? is your plumber free? My god if you don't have $50 to see the doctor you need to die because you are a drag on everyone.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome it not free in socialized countries either, you pay it from taxes, if america stopped using its tax money to bomb people in mud huts then maybe they could provide a service that people actually wanted, everyone in the countries pays for healthcare when they work, and if they lose their job or become disabled, well there is money in the "pot" to pay for them, thats how it works, its not free - its just a better system than charging people crazy premiums
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ...throwing more money or any money won't solve the system. The system itself is broken. I live in a country where we have a co-pay system(south korea) and it works wonderfully. I pay if i go and get treatment, i have individual insurance for catastrophic injury or disease. i don't want to be grouped into a mass of people that have no restrictions placed on them other than being a citizen, People need to take responsibility for themselves and their health.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome so what about the people that are injured so badly they cant afford medicine? tough luck, god hates them>? is that the attitude. states need to insure the health and safety of its citizens, we have governments for a reason, to provide public services, and in my eyes public healthcare is the best use of tax revenue, it provides jobs to thousands and saves millions - education and healthcare surely the two most importaint things for a government to fund
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ...they should have had insurance. You walked by 10 homeless people today, did you stop and help them all? no, probably not one of them yet you sit here and tell me how it's so bad to NOT help people? you have selective bleeding heart syndrome. We can't help everyone but guess what? everyone can help themselves. you have the right to your life and liberty but the roll of gov't is to provide national defense, that's it constiutionally.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome yea there is no convincing you, you dont understand the concept
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ..I understand this concept is a failure, like all social programs in the past and the brain fart ones to come. Medicare/medicade in the states has cost 10times their origional budget, 10times! do you understand this number? The world's thrid largest employer behind the chinese army and the indian railsystem is the UK healthcare juggernaught;. the 3rd!! There are more administrators than doctors and nurses combined. You have been sold a bad bill of good my friend, wake up!
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome the bill thats picked up with tax payer money - i would rather my money go to the UK healthcare than some military campaign or lining the pockets of the wealthy, this isnt a charity, its paid for by the people for the people, and no party in the country will try to dismantle it for fear losing votes - if we can afford to go to wars, we can afford to keep our citizens healthy,
dan11009 3 months ago
@dan11009 ..socilaized medicine kills my friend.
justgetsome 3 months ago
@justgetsome Given you refer to the NHS being the worlds 3rd largest employer and considering it looks after the heath of over 64,000,000 people how many people including those employed in your medical insurance giants are employed to run and maintain the US's bureaucratic insurance based system using 16% of US GDP in the process yet is still only rated 37th in world wide for healthcare. A system in which one US citizen dies every 12 min's because they lack the correct insurance?
davijeph 2 months ago
@davijeph ...that's your justification? well it's 64million people so therefore it should be such an amazing number? come on man are you really that dumb? I told you their are more admininstrators than doctors, it's a nightmare. no, America is ranked very highly for health care, certainly not #37. people go to america to get work done, not England that's for sure. Where is your bullshit source of this ranking anyway? l
justgetsome 2 months ago
@justgetsome With an estimated 45 million uninsured Americans, some 500,000 trekked overseas last year for medical treatment, according to the National Coalition on Health Care. Now answer my question"how many people including those employed in your medical insurance giants are employed to run and maintain the US's bureaucratic insurance based system"? Are you serially telling me there are more Drs in in the US system than administrators. For rating see WHO rating. Stop looking at Daniel Hannan
davijeph 2 months ago
@justgetsome That's the actual WHO rating, I'm afraid, mate.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@justgetsome ...SOCIAL ised medi SIN kills my "friend"? YEAH.That is why we (in UK)are ALL dead...Including me! lm speaking from beyond the grave...(by the way)...just hoping Jebus passes by and waves his massive (erm l mean) magic-wand and cures me - OF BEING DEAD! Might happen (IF the "free" market allows it!) Anyway-when is "Celebrity RICH MEN On Ice Eating PENISES While Dancing In The Jungle With Their Big Brother"-On? My life will be OVER if l miss that! Oooh-THE penises...(OR 'foot'ball)
Slave2PaperWithInkOn 1 week ago
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@justgetsome Not quite as broke as the United States of America.
balderdashandpiffle 3 months ago
LAAAAAANSLEEEEEEEY!!!!!!!
Coolguyrob2006 7 months ago
I wish the US would leave our Health Service alone. As Mr. Prescott has said previously, we had the debate about the NHS when it was implemented by people who had a financial interest in keeping it private. But they didn't point to other systems as examples and annoy any other government. Please Sarah Palin, keep you ill-informed opinions about others Health Care Systems to yourself!
lizziedavidson1987 8 months ago 14
She is ugly
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@cwood4ever And you are stupid. So what else is new?
Cabronosidad 9 months ago
Bloody right! Why are Americans so ignorant and stupid!
Lydiard91 1 year ago
Well I have just seen SiCKo by moore and wonderful America hospitals are dumping patients out on the street if they can’t afford health care, a baby girl died in a hospital after another hospital refused to treat her because they are not covered by the insurance the holder had, and a man having to made a choose of saving a $12000 finger or the $60,000 finger – How civilized America is, in regards to being a third world country.... Iran has better health care for it’s people!!
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago 21
@TheFireHorseUK You realize Sick is fake right. Moore is an fing liar and manipulates the show in order to make it look one way. This has been proven time and time again. Dont swallow the kool-aid my friend.
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@cwood4ever – If you think any of the information is ‘fake’ then please let me know which part – I will research and come back to you in the facts. Don’t just say ‘all of it’ – break it down to the individual partsthat you say is 'fake', and if you go silent I'll take that it was a ‘trolling’ comment.
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@TheFireHorseUK Are you serious you do realize people have sued Moore that have been in his shows because he took what they said out of context or had them read a script not knowing what it was for. You may think i am joking but you can look it up, just google it. Moore actually had the gaul to say that Cuban health care is better than the USA, but what we dont see is the hospitals for top party members not the Common Cuban.Millions fled from Castro Cuba to the USA, why is this? Just do research
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@cwood4ever A few facts for you since you are clearly not going to leave any. You do have to remember that Cuba is a second/third-world country, not like the US which is a first-class. Life expectancy at birth m/f – cuba 76.0/80.0 / US 77.0/81.3
Total health expenditure as % of GDP: Cuba 7.3 / US 15.3
Now those figures should make you wonder where is all the money going in the US,
...cont....
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@cwood4ever ....cont.....
.... and since you don’t have a full healthcare service someone is making a lot of money from not going much.
The hospital Moore visited in Cuba is for Health Tourist and senior members of the Cuban’s society, Heath Tourist are in the figures of about 20,000, generating revenues of around $40 million a year for the Cuban economy. Cuba has been serving health tourists from around the world for more than 20 years.
...cont/.....
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@cwood4ever .....cont....
....The country operates a special division of hospitals specifically for the treatment of foreigners and diplomats.
Now not every hospital ward will look like the ones on Moore’s film but you are missing that the Cuban citizen will get a free heath care as to the US where you have a record 50.7 million Americans—16.7% of the population were uninsured in 2009 and so have no healthcare.
....cont.....
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@cwood4ever The USA is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e., some kind of private or public health insurance). In 2009 Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.
Same interesting notes are: In response to the 2005 Hurricane Katrina disaster, Castro offered to send a "brigade" of 1,500 doctors to the U.S. to provide humanitarian aid, but was never accepted
..cont..
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@TheFireHorseUK First of all a Cuban doctor is crap and their medical schools aren't even on par with American Schools that's number one.
Second of all you say are 44 thousand die. Thats fine because its out of over 300 million people thats not bad at all. Im not even accounting for the millions of illegals .So your point is void with the fact that well people die all the time and some times even the best doctors cant save you. Life sucks and sometimes people die.
40000/300 million=1.3%
I win
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@cwood4ever “I win” – really, at not using factual data to back up your argument that ‘Cuban doctors’ are not trained to a standard that the (WHO) is fine with or that you can’t read people’s comments such as;
“Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.” – meaning not total deaths in US but ones that could have be avoided with medical care.
You win at not being very bright, more so when your arugment is "Life sucks ...."
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@cwood4ever Since you are one of these people who don’t know how to do research, the (WHO) is the World Health Organisation, and Harvard being Harvard University, a private Ivy League university located in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
It’s like talking to a 10 year old.....
TheFireHorseUK 11 months ago
@cwood4ever Deaths in US for year 2007 : 2,423,712. Deaths for Americans (not illegals) due to lack of insurance approximately 45000 for 2009 (Harvard study). Percentage of uninsured deaths in US approximately one in fifty given that the very poor and seniors have access to medicare and Medicaid the percentage of American citizens who die because they lack insurance is going to be much higher, Why do you think millions of US citizens choose to have no health cover or poor guilty health cover?
davijeph 10 months ago
@cwood4ever You are the worst debater ever. You have been owned here. You haven't used any facts or evidence to backup you're argument and anyone who has to claim "I win" means they have lost and are an uteer douchebag.
"I win", coz I said.
Loser.
cisseshairdresser 6 months ago
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
FreedomInAmerica 1 year ago
Sorry but the NHS in the north is not as you think otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people who lose there lives, on the other hand have a think by you self why England have a much higher rate of mortality that other EU countries?
And how many doctors over here have killed their patients by prescribing the wrong drug or simply telling them (it’s all just in your mind) and what have they learnt about it?
Nothing at all, cos they carry on as usual :-(
Morgena1 1 year ago
@Morgena1 Sorry, but your English is so bad you are not making any sense. So you are ether a six years old child or not a Brit and English is at best your second language. I note you did not respond to any of my questions, again your comments make no sense and doubt you have ever used the NHS in your life.
davijeph 1 year ago
Sorry man but I cannot agree with you because I had a very rotten treatment over here and being bullied out of surgeries cos I did know too much about medicine which many UK doctors hated me for.
Morgena1 1 year ago
@Morgena1 What surgeries were you bullied out of (you must be a very weak person to be bullied by a Dr) and where did you gain all your medical knowledge that made you so "hated" by so many UK Doctors? Why, if you are a UK citizen to you refer to the UK as being "over here" if the UK was your home you would not be "over here" at best you would be just "here"? Just out of interest how many Dr's is many? If you were seen by "many" Dr's on the NHS how many GP's are you registered with?
davijeph 1 year ago
@crazyboyxx No. It's because the US see healthcare for what it REALLY is - a service. A service that should be best provided through the market with people able to choose where to best spend their money in accordance to their own requirements and the quality of the service they provide. It is the bonkers socialist mess that has almost bankrupted the European continent numerous times, and a left wing media that has led us not to question the state monopoly.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88 Europeans view healthcare both as a service and a right that is why in the UK the bulk of medical care is provided by the National Health SERVICE every citizen gets coverage. I suspect that even those who can afford to pay for private health insurance (about 11% of the population, most get it as a "perk" of their employment) also have access to their own NHS GP, would almost certainly make use of the NHS in an emergency and know they will never go bankrupt because of medical costs.
davijeph 1 year ago
@crazyboyxx I am a British citizen. I know. Don't tell me that state education in the UK is 'very good'. I spent 15 years in state education and its massively disappointing. The NHS is a bloated, inefficient, counter-productive "safety net" with actually offers such a poor general service that it doesn't offer many people much safety at all. Particularly from poor care, or superbugs. Care is not as good. Outcomes are worse, and we don't even have the choice to spend our money elsewhere.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88 You can opt out of the NHS if you have alot of cash you can get a great private health plan and good for you...but if you have an accident or an emergency you WILL call 999 and get NHS care...so do not knock it and do not deny others who do not have the money to buy health care.
WELLBRAN 1 year ago
I know what part of this is is about. English people think if you're sick, it's outside your control, there's no blame involved. There are other cultures within Europe and I'm sure well beyond it that regard sickness as a shame. For some a deep shame. I could never say to my father that I was ill for example. People from his country have some of the lowest per capita incomes in Europe but the best health statistics. Poor health is your problem, but for the Brits, it's the country's.
avidalocan 1 year ago
all these people are working for the islamic caliphate its why they never ever criticize muslims for the shit they doing now ..like AFRICAN SLAVERY THAT THEY HAVE NEVER STOPPED ENGAGING IN!!!!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 1 year ago
@WORLDARYANREVIVAL
What the hell are you talking about.
Of what relevance to the article is this?
whiskasalpha 1 year ago
US healthcare 45000 die every year because they do not have access to medical insurance (Harvard uni report) 60% of all US bankruptcies have a connection with medical costs (Harvard report). US health care waste a trillion dollars every year and cost twice that of comparable countries but achieve no better overall result . Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” US rated by W.H.O no 37 in health quality UK rated 18.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph
The right to healthcare is part of the UN Declaration on Human Rights. That so many die each year in the US because of a lack of healthcare is an abuse of human rights.
redword2007 1 year ago
As usual Mr Pilger glosses over situations with high rhetoric. As a Brit I can honestly say that the numerous encounters I have had with the NHS has been defined by mediocrity. The lack of ingenuity in our system, and the lack of REAL choice is a massive problem. John's 5 local hospitals is not representative of the situation most people have. The NHS is suffocating a small but high quality private healthcare industry in the UK. I urge the US not to go down our route.
Maino88 1 year ago
In your opinion!
People havea right to health care and just becuase you have cash should not enable you have better or quicker healthcare than someone who has not.
Its the Difference between morally superior caring nations and backward, morally indeffensable ones..
Oh.. Like the USA..
whiskasalpha 1 year ago
@whiskasalpha Healthcare is a service that is best provided by having a range of providers. You do NOT get to tell me that I should not be able to get what I think is the best quality of healthcare for me or my family by spending my own hard earned cash...comrade.
European healthcare systems are so up their own arse with their moral superiority that they have forgotten that they have a duty to taxpayers to be innovative in the way healthcare is provisioned in a free society.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88 You do NOT get to tell me that I should not be able to get what I think is the best quality of healthcare for me or my family by spending my own hard earned cash...comrade.
Listen to it.. My family, my hard earned cash.. BLah BLah Blah..
What makes you and yours more important than anyone else!
Answer NOTHING!
I have my own business, doing very well thankyou, i choose not to have children becuase i personally hate them.. Yet i pay my taxes for everybody else..
whiskasalpha 1 year ago
@whiskasalpha Good for you.
What makes mine more important is that it is mine. It is the lives of myself and my family. I best provide for it and them accordingly.
Pay taxes like an obedient citizen. Not questioning the system we have created whereby we tie the lives of those less fortunate to dependency on the state through micromanaged social engineering? When we truly analyse who the welfare state has benefited most in terms of outcomes. It's no surprise the answer is the Labour party.
Maino88 1 year ago
@Maino88 The private system is small in the UK because it is a parasitical system reliant upon NHS trained doctors and facilities in large parts.
balderdashandpiffle 3 months ago
It's about racism. US people don't consider everyone living and working in this country to be equal. It's this racist mindset that puts forth the nonsense about socialism and how people don't want the government making them pay for everyone. It's the same excuse that was used during slavery, segregation and a host of other things.
Ryooken 1 year ago
who the fuck cares what the americans think? it's the same old shit every fucking day... they wake up for a moment and see "ooh those other countries are doing this better" then their media puts the gears in and all the fucking absurd bullshit starts.
if they want to keep their ridiculous system, let them... ignorance is bliss?
Darusdei 1 year ago 31
@Darusdei OMG that sums it up so well wish i could give you a thousand thumbs up but here is one bravo
buddyjesus1000 7 months ago
Our National Health Service is simply wonderful. Not perfect, but a true national treasure
Pinnertop 1 year ago 4
Oh it's a journalist. Definitely an expert.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 At leased 44000000 and up to one-third of all Americans can be without insurance many millions more without adequate insurance to cover health costs and go bankrupt , over 22000 US citizens die every year because they do not have the correct medical cover. You are to cowardly to comment on "the US Healthcare system in international Context" which shows just how false Beck and Hannans claims are, you pathetic little twerp.
davijeph 1 year ago
Who cares about isms ? That's a red herring.
It's simple. Everybody who works contributes. Anyone who needs healthcare, gets it.
If you don't need health care ,you've wasted your dough. But that's insurance.
American business has always succeeded because it gave the consumer what the consumer wants. That doesn't apply in the medical insurance business because their first obligation is to their shareholders.
BeppeSapone 1 year ago
john speaking the truth, again.
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
Off course Britain's NHS is much superior to what is available to Americans. Howeve, Britains NHS is probably a joke compared to what the French, Swedes, Dutch, Italians and Germans enjoy.
Invesigator 1 year ago
I find it incredible that Americans are even debating this. They don't seem to mind their taxes going to buy nuclear weapons and other arms. Or to some pointless space program...but seem to have a reservations about their taxes going to curing their own people when they're sick????
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
wonder how they feel now that the NHS is going to be controlled now by the hospitals and the doctors instead of the govt? LOL So priceless. they are going the other way we used to be, and we are going down the rabbit hole where they used to be. Outrageous.
uzimodem 1 year ago
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
@mrgbennet : i never said they did. why did you say that?
uzimodem 1 year ago
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arzoyan 1 year ago
Health-Care in Canada is great! Sadly our neighbours across the border are being fucked by the corporations and private insurance companies.
In Canada, they check your pulse.
In America, they check your purse.
andyx1205 1 year ago 8
@andyx1205 no in America, they check your wallet, then they might check your pulse....MIGHT.
98raza20 3 months ago
i love america but i dont wanna pay 68000 dollars for some bullshit tests and treatments when i have a broken leg, so i think imma move to france or england... should i?
AlexNecrofeliac 1 year ago
or just buy insurance you dumbass its the same as paying higher taxes in Europe.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281
It's only slightly higher taxes,It makes me laugh how Americans think that we Europeans pay much higher taxes than you, when in fact we pay the same or less, and we get a higher standard of living from those taxes.
Better education, better public transport and better health care.
theunderone1 1 year ago
America's public transportation is adequate for our situation. If there was more of a demand for it than we would get it. Europeans don't realize that America is 2 times the size as continental Europe, public transportation doesn't work as well in North America just like it doesn't work well in Russia. Europe is compact with a high population density and public transportation works very well.
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
@AlexNecrofeliac
Well the standard of living here is higher, it's a lot safer here aswell.
You made and excellent point with not wanting to pay some extortionate rate like $6800 dollars,
In Europe, charging people for something like that sounds crazy, it's like charging people to go to School.
theunderone1 1 year ago
@AlexNecrofeliac Why travel across the sea? Canada is just right across the border man!
andyx1205 1 year ago
To many people in Britain, the National Health Service or "NHS" really is a treasure, from personal experience, it saved my life when I was 3 months old, saved my fathers life when he was in a car accident and without it, life would be very different for me, I probably wouldn't even be alive without it.
How can Americans not see that it's a good thing? it seems so easy to understand, it will probably save someone you love one day.
theunderone1 1 year ago
erm...cause we get treated in car accidents too...
NJRocks281 1 year ago
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
My Dad recently suffered an aneurysm.
He had a chopper fly him to hospital with 2 paramedics on board keeping him alive.He had major heart surgery,the aneurysm repaired and 3 more further major operations over the next week,a further 4 weeks of 24 hour 1 to 1 critical care nursing.He was wired up to just about every machine you can think of.He was on dialysis and a host of other treatments for moths afterwards.Total bill...a big fat ZERO.
Q3ToPBuZz 1 year ago 5
whose she?
jrr1234567890 1 year ago
Not entirely true. I live in the netherlands and the new hc. we had for about 4-5 years sucks period. the trend america fears is what we also see overhere but in a milder fashion. the fraud still goes for where i live and the hc. we receive. corp insurance companies took over, decide what citizens get for what price. they decide how healthy you may be. only the ones with enough money can additionally BUY THE REAL HC. The kind that really matters and makes your life so much better.
LemonAndYoghurt 1 year ago
I 'm portuguese and i can say to you that the portuguese constitution defend the NHS and it's for a good reason... to defend the humans right of any portuguese. To all mighty power Americans, look for your neighbor Cuba, even though is facing a economic siege by US, their healthcare is free charge... Aren't US more richer than them? So, why the fear for NHS... You american's talk very much about freedom, so how could you be free if you only receive a treatment if you have money to pay it.
dulciaquicola 1 year ago
I currently work for a NHS care company which provides home care for elderly
The care we provide are for a range of elderly that have had health problems and need extra support.
I go to help one man who has had a stroke. He has worked all his life but in very manual, low paid jobs. If he lived in the USA he could not afford healthcare.
If this man did not receive the help we give him he would be dead within days.
UK people could not sleep at night allowing this to happen
jimmywinny 1 year ago 83
@jimmywinny dead right mate n this i believe reflect the character of the ppl the Britiish are worlds apart from americans in Many ways here ppl are Liberal far better informed than yanks are far more caring specially for the underdog n SURE our national health care i believe its as good as any n the staff about the Best u could wish to met with few exceptions then again the country is miles better than america in every way
polygamous1 1 year ago 2
What a load of shit, we have insurance and social security in the US you retard. There is a reason why the US has a higher HDI index than Britain. People don't die on the streets for christ sake.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281
What on Earth do you mean by "US has a higher HDI index than Britain.People don't die on the streets for christ sake"
Wait... are you seriously saying that people die on the street in Britain?
The only time someone dies on the street is if they get hit by cars or murdered, and if you count that, the U.S has far more shootings, stabbings and murders compared to Britain.
theunderone1 1 year ago
No...fuck sakes, I said people don't die on the streets in the US. And it is a fact the US does have a higher HDI than Britain.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
And the UK does pay much higher taxes. You have a 17% sales tax. The US has anywhere from 5-7% depending on the state. Much more of your personal income goes to taxes as well. Your public services are not free by any means.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 America spends 16% of GDP on Healthcare, in Britain its 8.4%
raidon04 1 year ago
Well also do a hell of a lot more medical research in the US than the UK. The US is a medical exporter.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 Can you provide statistics which backup such a claim?
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
@raidon04 Check out the World Health Care Report. Much of that spending is on administration because of the billing system. Per person it is the most expensive in the world. It is also only like 50th in the world for average health care. Are you happy being 50th on average? Public health care is not free, taxes are higher, but we get whatever health care we want.
MrLems87 1 year ago
@MrLems87 At least 15.3% of the population is completely uninsured and a substantial additional portion of the population (35%) is "underinsured", or not able to cover the costs of their medical needs. Despite the fact that not all citizens are covered,USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to62% of all personal bankruptcies.[ Since,health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have annexed
raidon04 1 year ago
@jimmywinny Spot on! Your right....
Kalydosos 1 year ago
@jimmywinny
yes thank you.
As an American who worked over in the UK for awhile, I applaud the NHS.
Now that I'm back in USA, jobs are better than in the UK, but healthcare is not.
TheMartian20 1 year ago
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Come on don't just take my word for it. Theres so many authoratative people and articles and news reports regarding the down side of the NHS 'bigtime'. Yes it seems to be better than the US system but its like saying Saddam Hussein is better than Polpot. There is a saying regarding people who have a herd mentally and those like me who don't that is-'You laugh at me because I am different I laugh at you because you are all the same'
bstocksful 1 year ago
Being different or not is not the issue. It isn't about you it is about the issue. Free health care at the point of use is nothing like Saddam Hussein and only a moron would make such a weird comment.
Go live in the US and hope you don't get sick if you think there isn't much difference between our respective systems of health care. You fool.
wlwak 1 year ago 3
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I despair! It seems all you good people are easily taken for a ride. The government only has to cunger up a system with their signature underneath it and the masses will willing follow without question. You can argue the point till the cows come home but you all know instinctively that the 'downsides ' of the NHS are too bad to just brush under the carpet. For goodness sake question these down sides don't just give the government the impression that people will except anything.
bstocksful 1 year ago
@bstocksful are you that stupid that you really think that? I can't understand where you getting your facts from.
Simpricess 1 year ago
@bstocksful Nobody just accepts the NHS because the government stamps its sign upon it, in fact the NHS and how to improve it is a constant feature in every election, debate or political discussion. It's by no means perfect, and can always be improved, but the fact remains that In Britain everyone has access to healthcare free at the point of delivery, and the prospect of a US style system where those who can't afford are left to suffer seems barbaric
cokroache 1 year ago 2
bstocksful Sorry I 'm not looking for an argument and I am quite willing to say that the NHS for its all its good sides as its down sides to .However I do not think things in the NHS on the whole are anywhere near as bad as you paint.Things for the bulk of the population would be far worse without it.The fact is it deals with millions of patients a year at far less cost per individual then the US ,I read somewhere that some 5% of the US population uses 90% of medical spending?
davijeph 1 year ago
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"Every year doctors kill more brits than terrorists ever have" Vernon Coleman
90% of diabetics on insulin develop late complications of diabetes ie.blindness, retinopathy diabetic gangrene -they don't tell you about the dangers(R Mendelson M.D. coronary bypass ops 80% ineffective, unnecessary counter productive, caesuarean sections 75% unnecessary-endangering life mother and baby-thialidimide drug 1960-10.000 babies grotesque defects. Nurses decide who gets resusiated or not-still trust NHS?
bstocksful 1 year ago
dude y lie ??????????????? lieing doesnt make your system right dude
prestonc1992 1 year ago
@bstocksful This is all bullshit, i have no idea where you got this data from, and i can tell you from first hand experience that it is simply not true!
grungedistortion999 1 year ago
@bstocksful
Where do you get your facts? Your not telling the truth.
What you are saying is total hog wash. you know it.
Simpricess 1 year ago
@bstocksful
I take it you meant to say 'Thalidomide' . This was not an NHS failure, but a worldwide tragedy. The drug was developed in Germany. The 10,000 cases you refer to is a worldwide total. It really is time you and people like you learnt that we are able to check your wild accusations instantly [all hail google & wikipedia!] - on the plus side it does make it instantly obvious which contributors it is best to ignore.
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
Well bstocksful looks like when you get ill the best option you have is to stay away form the doc and put your trust in the lord.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph Don't fight me I want the same things as you- a sickless society that doesn't have to rely on any instituations to cure it. You hold on to the medical instituition as if it was your GOD. The same as religious and patriotists hold on to 'their' country. With the limited services that is being offered to mankind read Alimentarius codex it looks like nobody will be able to access anything but the medical option. Is that what you want - no choice? Go to the root of the problem.
bstocksful 1 year ago
NHS is big business in league with the drug pharmacuetical giants that keep patients on the medical merry go round. If you don't die of the illness you went in with you'll surely slowly suffer from the montage of sideeffects from the medical toy treatments and so called scientific poisonous drugs they admininster. Good health to you
bstocksful 1 year ago
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@bstocksful At last someone talking some sense on this comment board.
mrgbennet 1 year ago
the national health service is basically crap in the uk- it maybe better than other countries in some respects but go behind the scenes-be a long term in-patient look at the domestic care-look at the side effects of the drug treatments -most people die of the adverse effects-look at the nursing less care-overworked staff who are too tired to careless. and yes its the only avenue available for people in future-not wonder everyones getting sick or dying off.
bstocksful 1 year ago
@bstocksful Pardon?The only "crap" is coming from you.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph -so much for free speech
bstocksful 1 year ago
@bstocksful Free speech is great but all you are peddling is a pack of incoherent lies.The NHS is perhaps the UK's finest achievement .Giving ,on the whole, top quality health care to every citizen free at the point of care.Nobody in the UK losers sleep because they cannot afford health care or goes bankrupt because of health costs .Think that the US system is better?Look up "Kayleen Flanery surviving cystic fibrosis" and "My struggle with the American healthcare system" .
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph -thats your opinion-you're free to express your view-i should be able to give mine incoherent or not-by the way i don't think the us system is better but that still doesn't mean the uk system is.
bstocksful 1 year ago
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mrgbennet 1 year ago
@mrgbennet Well I don't know where you came from but it takes one to know one.
davijeph 1 year ago
painfully stunted speaking
jonescrusher1 2 years ago
Is that the only conclusion you could draw? Oh dear
toweronepower 2 years ago
It's relevant when someone is speaking on a public platform. Some can do it, some can't.
jonescrusher1 2 years ago
Perhaps, but still, is that all you can conclude from this? Oh shit.
toweronepower 2 years ago
No, but it's what I chose to point out. Stop trying to be clever.
jonescrusher1 2 years ago
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FUCK YOU John Pilger!, FUCK THE NHS!!!, AND FUCK SOCIALISM!!!!!!! I WANT TO LIVE IN ENGLAND SOOOOO BADLY, BUT THE STUPID SOCIALISM HAS KEPT HEALTHCARE ATROCIOUS, INCOMES LOW, AND TAXES HIGH! I CANT RAISE A FAMILY IN THAT! I'M FORCED TO LIVE IN THE FUCKING USA!!! I HATE IT HERE, BUT SADLY IT SEEMS IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT GETS IT RIGHT!!!!!
bcmasta1returns 2 years ago
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The NHS is a load of fucking shiat and i know one doctor i need to punch in the mouth.
NHS is only good for people who don't cost the country to much to care for.
So if you have the money to pay for private care go for it.
The NHS is a load of crap and so are most of the doctors.
xRxixcxhxtxexrx 2 years ago
totally agree ...the system now is corrupt and vile. the lawmakers take money from all the drug companies and docs, so what do you expect? the system here should return to the founding fathers approach...send our guy(s) to congress and we pay them...not the federal govt and no campaign contributions.
bobmcalister 2 years ago 2
Universal health care now!!! HEALTH FOR ALL!!
please check out my video: to hell with private health insurance
peace to all!
worldfreenow100 2 years ago 19
@worldfreenow100
No. Not in the Usa. NHS is in debt and is dying so.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
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@Thetruthishere11 Why did you course the winter of discontent in 1979,i ask because this brought in the
worse ever Tory in power, that destroyed all the things that the labour was putting together to help the working man and woman including those to ill to work and all becouse you dident get 10 per cent increes in your money why,you and us are worse of know and if you would have left well alone,the U.S.A woulden't been any problem know,please answear
inzen1909 1 year ago
I hope the USA comes up with some kind of national health care. I worked for a small business that could not afford to offer health care insurance. My private payer insurance was $825.00 per month. I paid these costs for 20 years before I was able to get on my wifes plan at her new job.
inkey2 2 years ago
My great uncle would be dead without the NHS. They have saved his live numerous times. I love the NHS.
LatumWay 2 years ago
My understanding of the system in the US is that if you have insurance, you have to wrestle with the insurance companies to pay up. If you have poverty-level income, you either have medicaid/medicare or your costs get written off by "charity". Wealthy people in the US have access to the best HC. The poor get HC. But what about those above the specified cut-off level for charitable HC and still don't earn enough for comprehensive HC insurance? It's my feeling that they get left out in the cold.
FSAthe1st 2 years ago
Those that have nothing access healthcare either for free (they pay nothing ) or are on medicaid. These people actually have less problem accessing the ER than those with insurance. (here in USA) much of the economic loss is absorbed by the private sector both the hospital and the physician. These services are part of the unfunded mandate of EMTALA.
soldner234 2 years ago
Australia has the best health care with none of the Pommie expenses or dramas.