"...the only model black men had for patriarchy had been the white slave owner..."
I suspect that to fix this issue we might want to consider this statement, to me it seems like it might be, or lead to, the root cause. I've said for a long time that black people (and now I rethink that it might be primarily black men) have a serious case of Stockholm's Syndrome. We need to develop our own thing. But how?
@StylZ905 That's the question for the times. How do we change the way we view ourselves? How we relate to one another? When does it stop becoming about power and authority but about mutual respect? I wish I had the answers.
I'm not sure where Bell Hooks got her information that Frederick Douglass was a supporter of patriarchy. His personal intervention led to the 1st Womens Rights Convention in Seneca Falls in 1848 to pass a resolution for women's suffrage (a very radical demand at the time). He used power as a speaker and his prestige to make it happen. The day that he died in 1895 he attended a meeting of the National Council of Women in Washington. He fought slavery and sexism for 60 years of his life!
@binhthanhvo Though Fredrick Douglas was great activist for African Americans and Womens suffrage, Im unable to give him as much admiration as other. Douglas is known for his amazing speeches and activism across the country and in Europe but when he stepped away from the podium he wasnt a man I would admire. His first wife Anna Murray Douglas provide him money for a ticket so that could escape to free.
@binhthanhvo They went on to get married and she gave birth to five children. She raised and fed his children while he was away the majority of the time. She also kept the family together when the Klan burned down there house. Douglas financially supported his family when he could but was not a very loving husband, even though he was marred to Anna for 44 years, and once referred to her as an old black log.
@binhthanhvo Douglas was started and continued his extramarital affair with a German heiress, Ottilie Assing, for over 28 years. He would bring this woman to his house that he shared with his wife for long periods during the summer. Ottilie went on to kill herself after Douglas refused to leave his wife. Anna died from difficult childbirths and life. Douglas married Helen Pitts, who was about 20 years younger, about two year later. Great activist. The man not so great
@YoungBlackFeminists Well, that's terrible. Are you saying that proves he "supported patriarchy?" No one should condone how Douglass handled his personal life or his family. However, to simply say he supported patriarchy and ignore his contribution to the fight for women's rights is one-sided. That was the intent of my comment - to balance things out. I really feel bad for the women he was involved with, as well as his children.
@binhthanhvo I appreciate the activist work that he did but personal life speak volumes about his character and how he viewed women. I believes he supported patriarchy because I think he felt privileged enough to have this long-term affair without have to answer to his wife or the other women in his life.
@binhthanhvo I appreciate the activist work that he did but personal life speak volumes about his character and how he viewed women. I believes he supported patriarchy because I think he felt privileged enough to have this long-term affair without have to answer to his wife or the other women in his life.
That may be so. And the fact that his wife did not leave him is indicative of the fact that women in those days had a lot less freedom and options to get out of abusive relationships, especially when they had many children.
All the more reason to celebrate the progress women have made in the years since then. Things like that still go on, but women in the U.S. are less trapped than they were 100+ years ago (or so I hope). But when we're arguing about holding doors, we have a long way to go.
---This video suggests BM had internalized the gender roles of White society. The alarming increse in wife beating suggest that Black society was very much in need of every remedy White society required: FEMINISM.
This video is the TRUTH!!!! Let all the brothas who want to declare that black women didnt need a Feminist Movement because we were never oppressed answer to this vid! If sistas had it so good, why would Feminism even seem appealing? There must have been things going on that made black women question how they were being treated. The info in this vid dispells the argument that we just "followed the white woman".
Please continue to post more series such as this!!
The movie that came to mind whilst viewing this video is 'THE COLOR PURPLE'.
Allota people try and bash the movie,claiming it made blck men look like the 'bad guy', when in truth that was the reality of that time period ,and thus that time lead to what we are experiencing today...still we are under patriarchy.....and still many women suffer.
I get vexed when people claim 'feminism', was the downfall of the black family.
You might want to look at my video on masculinism explained where I talk about Reconstruction and the backlash movement (the Klan) that rolled back the gains that blacks made immediately after the end of slavery.
I think looking at economics really is the starting point for analyzing this stuff, but I'm not sure I agree with the idea that black men holding political office led to women's oppression. Those black men were forced out during the Jim Crow period and black women suffered even worse.
@binhthanhvo This video is was made specifically to debunk the claim that black men did everything they could after slavery to protect and provide for their families because they didnt have the opportunity to in slavery. It is not made to bash the Church either (even though I feel it may be taken that way). But I do question with all that male leadership, why were so many men and women being brutalized. I totally understand what youre saying about the KKK though..that had a huge part in it.
Domestic violence is a huge problem in the working-class, and even more so among oppressed people (blacks, hispanics, women) who are part of the working class. I've seen studies that show significant differences between middle and working class people re: domestic violence figures. I may incorprate them into future videos.
One thing I will say it's a lot easier to kick down than up when you're at the bottom of the social ladder
@YoungBlackFeminists That doesn't excuse anything, but the point is to really try to get at the root of why this is going on. No one benefits from domestic violence. Abusers just end up hurting their own families and damaging their children.
It's very easy to condemn bad behavior, it's a lot harder to understand it, deal with it, and stop/prevent it.
Oh, lovely YT and it's erasing of comments meant for posting. Anyway, thank-you for posting this video. Lots of food for thought here and I love the way you organized it. I wrote down the names of the books and would like to do some of the reading for myself. But I'm very glad you've laid this out. You're a great guide and your sense of respect around what you're presenting is astounding. Thank-you for all, again!
---It sounds crazy to me all right. But it doesn't sound like a century ago. Make a few small adjustments and this video could be describing today's world.
---I agree, the Christian Church is/ was the most sexist institution of all. It's effect has lasted longer and cut deeper than even the Freedman's bureau, which had BM sign contracts for his entire family.
2. We need to be revolutionary in all our actions and thoughts. You brought up gender roles too. As a radical feminist, there is no such things as gender and therefore no such thing as gender roles. When you put yourself in a role, in a box, you close yourself off to other things. There's no right amount of femininity. This needs serious challenging. Men have to give up their machismo box and women need to give up the feminine box and just be ourselves.
This idea of 'benevolent patriarchy' is another way of saying 'if you be good, we'll love you.' Patriarchy has no modifier. There is NO good patriarchy. While black men may have internalized the aggressor and became him, I don't think that's the whole picture as you rightly pointed out. The church is, I think, one of the biggest influences. I mean this IS patriarchy. This IS male privilege. The only way to counteract it is to join as women and make ourselves known, to empower ourselves
"...never intimidate him with her knowledge or common sense, ..." WHY? It's my belief that an ignorant man will and most often do run his woman's life into the wall. Then once he recognizes his error he goes "oops". Then he's on to the next woman. No, I will NOT defer my intelligence or common sense. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH ALL MEN: WOMEN HAVE BEEN SHUNNING HER GODDESS ROLE TO ALLOW MEN TO FEEL NEEDED & INCLUDED. No he was never meant to stick around aftering giving his seed.
5:15 is telling the TRUTH the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. The Black Church has NOT been a friend to black women. Its whole set up was to control the slaves and to control WOMEN ALSO! SIS YOU GOT TO MAKE THIS VID PUBLIC! Just Get ready for the Firestorm....lol THESE BLACK MEN MUST BE TOLD THE TRUTH!
3:40 IS THE TRUTH and I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS! Black men were Given the Head of House by the very people that enslaved them. (really it was further back than that but for the sake of this vid we will go with it) OH and another thing, BLACK MEN were given the 40acres and a mule, NOT BLACK WOMEN. The women only benefited if she was married to the MAN who was given the land grant, The single sisters were ass out. See sis this is what BM dont want to deal with, just black the WM for everything
"...the only model black men had for patriarchy had been the white slave owner..."
I suspect that to fix this issue we might want to consider this statement, to me it seems like it might be, or lead to, the root cause. I've said for a long time that black people (and now I rethink that it might be primarily black men) have a serious case of Stockholm's Syndrome. We need to develop our own thing. But how?
StylZ905 1 year ago
@StylZ905 That's the question for the times. How do we change the way we view ourselves? How we relate to one another? When does it stop becoming about power and authority but about mutual respect? I wish I had the answers.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
I'm not sure where Bell Hooks got her information that Frederick Douglass was a supporter of patriarchy. His personal intervention led to the 1st Womens Rights Convention in Seneca Falls in 1848 to pass a resolution for women's suffrage (a very radical demand at the time). He used power as a speaker and his prestige to make it happen. The day that he died in 1895 he attended a meeting of the National Council of Women in Washington. He fought slavery and sexism for 60 years of his life!
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo Though Fredrick Douglas was great activist for African Americans and Womens suffrage, Im unable to give him as much admiration as other. Douglas is known for his amazing speeches and activism across the country and in Europe but when he stepped away from the podium he wasnt a man I would admire. His first wife Anna Murray Douglas provide him money for a ticket so that could escape to free.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
Did you know they had a Morehouse Symposium on this.(Black Male Privilege) A brother really put it down.
/watch?v=BfYvL4wnWeY
TheGoddessNetworks 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo They went on to get married and she gave birth to five children. She raised and fed his children while he was away the majority of the time. She also kept the family together when the Klan burned down there house. Douglas financially supported his family when he could but was not a very loving husband, even though he was marred to Anna for 44 years, and once referred to her as an old black log.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo Douglas was started and continued his extramarital affair with a German heiress, Ottilie Assing, for over 28 years. He would bring this woman to his house that he shared with his wife for long periods during the summer. Ottilie went on to kill herself after Douglas refused to leave his wife. Anna died from difficult childbirths and life. Douglas married Helen Pitts, who was about 20 years younger, about two year later. Great activist. The man not so great
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo
Douglas Women by Jewell Parker Rhodes
Love Across Color Lines: Ottilie Assing and Frederick Douglass by Maria Diedrich
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
@YoungBlackFeminists Well, that's terrible. Are you saying that proves he "supported patriarchy?" No one should condone how Douglass handled his personal life or his family. However, to simply say he supported patriarchy and ignore his contribution to the fight for women's rights is one-sided. That was the intent of my comment - to balance things out. I really feel bad for the women he was involved with, as well as his children.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo I appreciate the activist work that he did but personal life speak volumes about his character and how he viewed women. I believes he supported patriarchy because I think he felt privileged enough to have this long-term affair without have to answer to his wife or the other women in his life.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo I appreciate the activist work that he did but personal life speak volumes about his character and how he viewed women. I believes he supported patriarchy because I think he felt privileged enough to have this long-term affair without have to answer to his wife or the other women in his life.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
That may be so. And the fact that his wife did not leave him is indicative of the fact that women in those days had a lot less freedom and options to get out of abusive relationships, especially when they had many children.
All the more reason to celebrate the progress women have made in the years since then. Things like that still go on, but women in the U.S. are less trapped than they were 100+ years ago (or so I hope). But when we're arguing about holding doors, we have a long way to go.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
---This video suggests BM had internalized the gender roles of White society. The alarming increse in wife beating suggest that Black society was very much in need of every remedy White society required: FEMINISM.
IbnSheba 1 year ago
This video is the TRUTH!!!! Let all the brothas who want to declare that black women didnt need a Feminist Movement because we were never oppressed answer to this vid! If sistas had it so good, why would Feminism even seem appealing? There must have been things going on that made black women question how they were being treated. The info in this vid dispells the argument that we just "followed the white woman".
Please continue to post more series such as this!!
morenabella13 1 year ago
Your replies to my comments don't show up in my inbox sometimes. So annoying!!
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
Very good video/ great analyst insight.
The movie that came to mind whilst viewing this video is 'THE COLOR PURPLE'.
Allota people try and bash the movie,claiming it made blck men look like the 'bad guy', when in truth that was the reality of that time period ,and thus that time lead to what we are experiencing today...still we are under patriarchy.....and still many women suffer.
I get vexed when people claim 'feminism', was the downfall of the black family.
Annabellagem 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo I'm so glad you're on the channel and your input is so valuable here. Thanks.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
You might want to look at my video on masculinism explained where I talk about Reconstruction and the backlash movement (the Klan) that rolled back the gains that blacks made immediately after the end of slavery.
I think looking at economics really is the starting point for analyzing this stuff, but I'm not sure I agree with the idea that black men holding political office led to women's oppression. Those black men were forced out during the Jim Crow period and black women suffered even worse.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo This video is was made specifically to debunk the claim that black men did everything they could after slavery to protect and provide for their families because they didnt have the opportunity to in slavery. It is not made to bash the Church either (even though I feel it may be taken that way). But I do question with all that male leadership, why were so many men and women being brutalized. I totally understand what youre saying about the KKK though..that had a huge part in it.
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
@YoungBlackFeminists Which black men made that claim? I'm curious.
Domestic violence is a huge problem in the working-class, and even more so among oppressed people (blacks, hispanics, women) who are part of the working class. I've seen studies that show significant differences between middle and working class people re: domestic violence figures. I may incorprate them into future videos.
One thing I will say it's a lot easier to kick down than up when you're at the bottom of the social ladder
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@YoungBlackFeminists That doesn't excuse anything, but the point is to really try to get at the root of why this is going on. No one benefits from domestic violence. Abusers just end up hurting their own families and damaging their children.
It's very easy to condemn bad behavior, it's a lot harder to understand it, deal with it, and stop/prevent it.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
I'm seeing all comments!!! Thank you so much for your support on this series!!
YoungBlackFeminists 1 year ago
Not sure why my comments are not posting--but if they need approval first, please post the second comment?? I thought they simply were not posting.
womanwheart 1 year ago
Oh, lovely YT and it's erasing of comments meant for posting. Anyway, thank-you for posting this video. Lots of food for thought here and I love the way you organized it. I wrote down the names of the books and would like to do some of the reading for myself. But I'm very glad you've laid this out. You're a great guide and your sense of respect around what you're presenting is astounding. Thank-you for all, again!
womanwheart 1 year ago
---It sounds crazy to me all right. But it doesn't sound like a century ago. Make a few small adjustments and this video could be describing today's world.
---I agree, the Christian Church is/ was the most sexist institution of all. It's effect has lasted longer and cut deeper than even the Freedman's bureau, which had BM sign contracts for his entire family.
IbnSheba 1 year ago
2. We need to be revolutionary in all our actions and thoughts. You brought up gender roles too. As a radical feminist, there is no such things as gender and therefore no such thing as gender roles. When you put yourself in a role, in a box, you close yourself off to other things. There's no right amount of femininity. This needs serious challenging. Men have to give up their machismo box and women need to give up the feminine box and just be ourselves.
DianaBoston 1 year ago
This idea of 'benevolent patriarchy' is another way of saying 'if you be good, we'll love you.' Patriarchy has no modifier. There is NO good patriarchy. While black men may have internalized the aggressor and became him, I don't think that's the whole picture as you rightly pointed out. The church is, I think, one of the biggest influences. I mean this IS patriarchy. This IS male privilege. The only way to counteract it is to join as women and make ourselves known, to empower ourselves
DianaBoston 1 year ago
"...never intimidate him with her knowledge or common sense, ..." WHY? It's my belief that an ignorant man will and most often do run his woman's life into the wall. Then once he recognizes his error he goes "oops". Then he's on to the next woman. No, I will NOT defer my intelligence or common sense. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH ALL MEN: WOMEN HAVE BEEN SHUNNING HER GODDESS ROLE TO ALLOW MEN TO FEEL NEEDED & INCLUDED. No he was never meant to stick around aftering giving his seed.
filmtress 1 year ago
@ 4:43 If that is not the TRUTH, I don't know what is!
This WHOLE series is POWERFUL!
ExoticByNature 1 year ago
5:15 is telling the TRUTH the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. The Black Church has NOT been a friend to black women. Its whole set up was to control the slaves and to control WOMEN ALSO! SIS YOU GOT TO MAKE THIS VID PUBLIC! Just Get ready for the Firestorm....lol THESE BLACK MEN MUST BE TOLD THE TRUTH!
TheGoddessNetworks 1 year ago
@TheGoddessNetworks well let me take that back, the church is a friend in some instances, only when women control it.
TheGoddessNetworks 1 year ago
3:40 IS THE TRUTH and I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS! Black men were Given the Head of House by the very people that enslaved them. (really it was further back than that but for the sake of this vid we will go with it) OH and another thing, BLACK MEN were given the 40acres and a mule, NOT BLACK WOMEN. The women only benefited if she was married to the MAN who was given the land grant, The single sisters were ass out. See sis this is what BM dont want to deal with, just black the WM for everything
TheGoddessNetworks 1 year ago
Historical truth....I can verify this with historical evidence, My sisters were never given this title and land!!!
majadi9 1 year ago
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TheGoddessNetworks 1 year ago