We have freewill in order to learn and grow to know (why) we should not do certain things because they are not good for us. We have a choice, learn by others mistakes or learn by making mistakes of our own.
@GalacticPredictions That makes sense, free will should provide people with plenty of lessons from their mistakes and accomplishments. God provides you with a commandment that says," Thou shalt not murder." Then your government sends you to kill people and justifies this through war. Who do you follow and what will be the consequences, if you actually kill someone.
@gregvandenberge The consequences of killing someone is of cores what ever literal effects there are followed by a natural increase in entropy. The more people kill each other the more they stunt there growth as a society.
@GalacticPredictions This is the part of free will that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. God provides you with plenty of rules, you break them, ask for forgiveness and then everything is okay. God wants you to follow his rules, but they're obviously not very important, if you can break them and then be forgiven. You have free will, make mistakes, but still receive eternal life.
@GalacticPredictions God could have created a better product (man), limiting his free will and at the same time creating the perfect Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Hindu, but he didn't. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
@gregvandenberge I see so your saying that God gives us the ability to make what ever choice we want and what you see as illogical is that God then supposedly tells us to not do this or that while at the same time giving us the ability to do what he commanded us not do do. Am I understanding you correctly on this?
@gregvandenberge I see so your saying that God could of limited the free will of people of religion in order to force them in to ding what he tells them to do but you see it strange that he did not do that?
@GalacticPredictions Exactly, it really doesn't make any sense to have all of this senseless slaughter, world starvation, death and destruction. Nor does it make sense to have a desire for something that you could be penalized for seeking.
@gregvandenberge God gives free will to us because he doesn't want our obedience to be automatic/robotic. I mean where would the fun in that be? Now those who are born again respond(via freewill) to God out of Love for Him. In response to your point about then requiring us to keep the commandments, for those who are born again it is easier to do because God has entered their heart & changed them so frees them from the Law (DO NOT) & (DO) as COMMANDS to do Good & not Bad, so they are natural now
@rangoon03 You sound like someone who might have some proof that God actually exists. Is there any way that you can provide satisfactory scientific evidence for each one of the statements you have made? If you can't prove that God exists, then I could do so that he doesn't.
@gregvandenberge Its not possible to have PROOF! God doesn't want u to KNOW he exists via PROOF!? choice is the key. Now if God revealed beyond any doubt that He existed, why would he give as a GIFT eternal life to those who CHOOSE to believe, if He could just show us all beyond doubt? It seems that God in His wisdom has left it up to choice as the key! He wants everyone to let go & be childlike. I made that choice & was utterly surprised, because i said to God i don't know but i'd like to!
@rangoon03 If it's not possible and it never will be, to have any proof, then why do so many people believe in Christianity? I would never make a conscious choice to believe in something, just because someone told me, to believe it.
We have freewill in order to learn and grow to know (why) we should not do certain things because they are not good for us. We have a choice, learn by others mistakes or learn by making mistakes of our own.
GalacticPredictions 1 year ago
@GalacticPredictions That makes sense, free will should provide people with plenty of lessons from their mistakes and accomplishments. God provides you with a commandment that says," Thou shalt not murder." Then your government sends you to kill people and justifies this through war. Who do you follow and what will be the consequences, if you actually kill someone.
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
@gregvandenberge The consequences of killing someone is of cores what ever literal effects there are followed by a natural increase in entropy. The more people kill each other the more they stunt there growth as a society.
GalacticPredictions 1 year ago
@GalacticPredictions This is the part of free will that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. God provides you with plenty of rules, you break them, ask for forgiveness and then everything is okay. God wants you to follow his rules, but they're obviously not very important, if you can break them and then be forgiven. You have free will, make mistakes, but still receive eternal life.
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
@GalacticPredictions God could have created a better product (man), limiting his free will and at the same time creating the perfect Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Hindu, but he didn't. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
@gregvandenberge I see so your saying that God gives us the ability to make what ever choice we want and what you see as illogical is that God then supposedly tells us to not do this or that while at the same time giving us the ability to do what he commanded us not do do. Am I understanding you correctly on this?
GalacticPredictions 1 year ago
@gregvandenberge I see so your saying that God could of limited the free will of people of religion in order to force them in to ding what he tells them to do but you see it strange that he did not do that?
GalacticPredictions 1 year ago
@GalacticPredictions Exactly, it really doesn't make any sense to have all of this senseless slaughter, world starvation, death and destruction. Nor does it make sense to have a desire for something that you could be penalized for seeking.
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
@gregvandenberge God gives free will to us because he doesn't want our obedience to be automatic/robotic. I mean where would the fun in that be? Now those who are born again respond(via freewill) to God out of Love for Him. In response to your point about then requiring us to keep the commandments, for those who are born again it is easier to do because God has entered their heart & changed them so frees them from the Law (DO NOT) & (DO) as COMMANDS to do Good & not Bad, so they are natural now
rangoon03 8 months ago
@rangoon03 You sound like someone who might have some proof that God actually exists. Is there any way that you can provide satisfactory scientific evidence for each one of the statements you have made? If you can't prove that God exists, then I could do so that he doesn't.
gregvandenberge 7 months ago
@gregvandenberge Its not possible to have PROOF! God doesn't want u to KNOW he exists via PROOF!? choice is the key. Now if God revealed beyond any doubt that He existed, why would he give as a GIFT eternal life to those who CHOOSE to believe, if He could just show us all beyond doubt? It seems that God in His wisdom has left it up to choice as the key! He wants everyone to let go & be childlike. I made that choice & was utterly surprised, because i said to God i don't know but i'd like to!
rangoon03 7 months ago
@rangoon03 If it's not possible and it never will be, to have any proof, then why do so many people believe in Christianity? I would never make a conscious choice to believe in something, just because someone told me, to believe it.
gregvandenberge 7 months ago