You're shooting carbine correct, with bayonet extended. When folded, point of aim is off. Flash likely due to slower burning powder with round for longer barrel such as for Dragunov or M91 long rifle or even the Tokarev. When shot in shorter barrel, flash occurs from unburnt charge. Laminated stock, nice carbine.
the m44 was used more in Vietnam than WW2, but the m44 was used late in second world war don't get me wrong. m91/30 was the main battle rifle for the Russians in ww2
I own a M91, one that the Russians sent to Remington and New England Westinghouse in 1916. My old man bought from someone for 90-some-odd dollars, with over 100 rounds included in the deal.
Sure, the ol' Westinghouse is beat to hell, but it still fires like...some old Russian's wet dream...and I digress. Now, does anyone know where I could find replacement bolt assembly; old man cut off the original bolt handle and welded on a new one when he tried to mount a scope on it...
That has to be a modified stock, they didn't produce these with laminated stocks, unless it was post-ware era and for civis. and quick quesiton, why are you holding your elbow so high!?
@NIGHTEHAWK Yes the Russians did build them with laminated stocks. Recommend you do some research. I have owned several M44's and M38's with laminated stocks.
Nothing wrong with a "chicken wing" stance. Depends on the kind of shooting and personal preference. I'd consider myself a decently experienced shooter and for an offhand shot you bet I have a chicken wing going on. After heavy exertion it isolates the gun away from your heaving chest. (think biatholon or rundown during a service rifle match). Service rifle is my game and I shoot it competitivly.
I have a full-sized mosin-negant and I can put three rounds in an inch and a half at 100 yards(iron sights :) ! ). They really are good rifles for their age and cost. My only criticism is that their "safety" sucks donkey balls.
Great video. I have a couple in this model, also a couple of the Finnish issue, with the proof-targets still attached. To prove at the arsenal that they would shoot accurately.
shooter's form is correct. Anyone who shoots competition, or military, or who wants to hit the target, will raise arm til parallel to grolund, as it forms a pocket in the shoulder area, keeping the weapon properly secured in shooting position, enhancing accuracy.
@abcd1234781 Depends, first I must ask you, why was it taken away? On to answer to your question, With the M44's hinged bayonet, the 91/30 has a removable bayonet that locks around the barrel, with the 91/30 barrel length you'll have more accuracy out past 500 yards depending on bore condition. M91/30 production ended in 1945 were as M44 production started in late 1943 and ended in 1948. Look for a prewar dated 91/30 with a good to excellent bore.
Technically the "chicken wing" is only incorrect in tactical shooting. For sport or target shooting, you want to pull the stock in as tight to the shoulder as possible, and since you can exert more force onto the rifle with your elbow out at an angle, the "chicken wing" actually aids shooting. The support arm, holding the foreend of the weapon, is the one that needs to be directly underneath the firearm to bear the weight and stabilize your aim.
Additionally, the right arm "chicken wing" does a few other good things too. The shoulder pocket increases in size considerably when your elbow is up. The stock is also raised up a little more, closer to your cheek, and your hand and arm is more correctly aligned with the trigger.
I have a 1943 Hungarian m44 and I've got to say that it is one of the most accurate iron sight rifles I've fired. It's a fun weapon and very inexpensive because of the amount of surplus. For the price, it's worth it to add to your collection. I would have it ultrasounded before shooting since many of them sold have been used.
Screw the fucking chicken wing, his form is all off! Get him on the other knee, left shoulder facing the target, right elbow should be behind the left, raise rifle sights to eye level with minimal head cocking, stock butt in pocket of shoulder, breathe gently and squeeze the trigger.
That is actually pretty close to the proper shooting position for those old WW2 rifles. Even the Garand was taught to be shot with the elbow level to the ear.
There are vintage training for this here on youtube.
Your elbow is a bit higher though probably due to the short stock that was meant to be used by a guy wearing a thick winter coat.
BTW I have an M44 and 91/30, great rifles and super addictive.
@pyroboys2 My rifle was made in 1945, it came from the factory looking like that. It's called a laminated stock. It's actually rare and desirable. Don't be a troglodyte.
@coupequattro that thing is pretty. it does however look a bit short.is it the carbine version? a short barrel, combined with a heavy caliber like the 7.62x54r, that thing has got to be LOUD! very nice rifle. and looks like you got the complete version, wtih a bayonet. nice catch!
@coupequattro i own and love a 1941 ... Do you have any info one some of the firarms made in that years?? for some Reason my mosin has a Really sweet Trigger pull at around 4 pounds .. I have shoot a friends mosin made in 42 and it has a 10 pound trigger on it .. And it seem like it was just crudely made..
@pyroboys2 My rifle was made in 1945, it came from the factory looking like that. It's called a laminated stock. It's actually rare and desirable. Don't be a troglodyte.
@coupequattro is 99 dollars a good price for one? the guy has a laminated stock version but its 129 dollars and i dont have that much, and it was mad in 1943
@coupequattro........i got a battlefield pickup and a day later i was checking out the serial numbers and not only did it have a laminated stock, it was made by Tula, and it had all matching serial numbers of yk1556. It is a 91/30 model too. I picked it up at a local Dunham's store for 130 dollars. Which is kind of unbelievable, but apparently the guy that owned it before didn't know anything about it. The marking on it turned out that it was issued to the guards of the Tsar.
@coupequattro I just picked up an M44 just like yours with the laminated stock. Now I have the 91/30 and the m44 both russian, both with laminate stocks and both look like they are brand new I love these rifles.
To call your friend inexperience for using a "chicken wing" stance is just silly. Rifles of 19th century ergonomic where the barrel is above the line of the shoulder are meant to be shot in such a manner. Look at photographs or training footage of the era and they are all using such a stance. I could be just me, but I don't think you need to shoot a bolt action rifle with a tacticool dynamic magpul stance
@SpiroHrvoje1989 Because my rotator cuffs are so far gone that's the only way I can shoot with any degree of comfort. My boy's call me Fog-horn Leghorn.after the cartoon rooster.
@SpiroHrvoje1989 if its most comfortable for him then why are your criticising? Generally you shouldnt have your arm out but he looks like a big guy with longer arms so having your elbow tucked in may not be comfortable.
I love my mosin nagant. But you guys are getting worked up by a chicken wing. Just remember when you guys were learning/novice, besides he's pretty hot and distracted me from noticing it at first.
He should bend the other knee, and use it to support the arm supporting the M44. More steady and accurate that way. At least I find it to be a fairly comfortable position. Shoot however you like as long as it's safe :P
He should try the Czech ammo out... HUGE fireball! Love my Mosin! the stock finally stopped sweating cosmoline when I'd shoot it! Awesome rifle! I love letting people shoot it for the first time....they never expect how much recoil there is! My wife got a rude awakening and a sore shoulder! She did shoot 5 rounds! Then I let her shoot my Remington 870 with the deer barrel on it...with slugs. That's when she got pissed off at me!
He should try the Czech ammo out... HUGE fireball! Love my Mosin! the stock finally stopped sweating cosmoline when I'd shoot it! Awesome rifle! I love letting people shoot it for the first time....they never expect how much recoil there is!
do i have a mosin nagant m44 that my great gramps snagged coming out of world war 2 he gave it to me and i love the rifle it even has talley marks on it for you that know what that means
@klesmer no it's not. why would you stick your arm out like that? it makes you a bigger target. not trying to sound like a tool or anything, but you want to keep everything tight and in.
@reallydumbhorse Dude, I was taught to shoot by a Marine drill instructor over 40yrs ago, that is military posture. Plus the elbow ain't near as big a target as your torso.
@klesmer ok... Dude. I spent two and a half YEARS (07-09) as a Marine small arms instructor at Camp Lejeune and at a few places in the DC area (I'll just let your imagination take you places here). Not to mention tours overseas. I don't care how small your elbow is, sticking extra crap out increases the chance of extra extremities getting hit (trust me... I know), hence increasing the chances of you becoming a less effective trigger puller when everyone else needs you to be.
@reallydumbhorse My how things change over the years. I guess if I am being shot at I will keep my elbow tucked for sure. The old bastard who taught me to shoot is probably rolling over in his grave.
@klesmer maybe they have changed some. i wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything by the way. if you search "usmc cqb instructors" or "us army cqb training" the first videos that come up have some good examples of steady compact shooting posture. i like the army also, they get it right as well, as shown in the army video i just recommended. happy shooting.
Teach your friend a shooting stance. Hahaha hes alright. With Mosin Nagants, it is really helpful to rest forward wood on something and then lean forward, one hand on the trigger and the other on the stock with you cheek against that hand.
Anyone care to tell me what the term "chicken-wing" means? Is it the way he holds his arms or something? 'Cause I don't really see him doing anything wrong... :?
I see you've got some mosin slap going on there, need to get the rest of the cosmolene out of the barrel. Use a drill and wire brush, just don't get into the rifling, worked great on mine, made the action much smoother. Almost needed to work the bolt with a mallet the first time I shot my mosin.
@Woozle401 Maybe you have a M1891/30 with a 27 inch barrel. Mine is a M44 with a 20 inch barrel. The bayonet is extended in my video. The only other carbine Mosin is the M38 which is the same as the M44 except without the integral bayonet.
M-44...Did you guy have STICKING BOLT when the rifle get hotter? or after 200 rounds?
-In this case, go home and cook HOT water and clear the bolt and barrel first before Oil and cleaning stuff, LAST I lubricated bolt area with AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION DEXTRON ii WORK EXCELLENT!!! so the SKS and AK-47 (NOT AMERICAN GUNS!)
You have a 91/30 this is the m44 vrs. there isnt a big differnce ony the size and the m44 has the baynett right on it and (like a sks) the 91/30s baynett was used like a screwdriver and to impale people but thats about it same round size and all
@Woozle401 Yes the M44 is that short! and it..pardon the pun is a blast to shoot. The 7.62x54r is a hell of a cartridge. They sent a lot of Nazis to hell with all variants of the Russian "Three Line"!
Your rifle is better, I mean less kick and accuracy is a plus!
M-44 is the short version, easy to put in the back of pick up truck for deers ....
I had 1 and very accuracy with bayonet out, I hear M-44 in order to shoot good must used bayonet in prepare to kill position! (sorry bad English,but understandable)? $69.00 at BIG 5 Phoenix,AZ on sale now and then!
@b52goats from wat I have heard/read the 91/30 was designed in 1891 and the m44 in 1944...other than that i dont know but i think the 91/30 is longer lol.
correct me if wrong but this gun has a very small barrel so that must mean that the gun doesn't have that much accuracy as a mosin nagant m91/30 since the gun has huge barrel?
your dead wrong.i have a m44 that if you leave the bayonet out it is a tack driver.i put a scout scope on it and can get moa accuracy.i have been shooting nagants for 30 years now and eaither the 38/44/91-30 all have dam good accuracy.the 44/38 were carbines. good accuracy out to 400 or so
@coupequattro Makes sense, the original model bolt action rifles a lot of countries were using at the same were designed for volley fire at targets over 600 meters away. Nobody really grasped until during the First World War that repeating rifles and machine guns had made Infantry Line tactics obsolete. Even then, a lot of old design cliches continued in late bolt action designs.
@highcountry74 I have had the privilige of shooting the raw power of the M91/30 however I made a bone headed move back 4-5 months ago and i sold it, I was getting tired of cleaning it. Anyway my rationale tells me to get a yugo 24/47 which is only a bit more expensive, can get one for about 170-180 in VG condition + 10 handselect. Should I go back to a Mosin, or get me a Yugo? I have an unissued checz VZ-24, perfect bore and crown, wood work is A++ but that piece is to nice to fire it, opinion?
@SSSDiaz7 between the 2 i have had some yugos that would shoot circles around any mosin nagant.the guns are better made and you cant go wrong with 8mm .the ammo may be a bit more expensive than the 7.62x54r.i would also not shoot the vz-24 to have one in that good of shape is a rarity most are shot out mismatched shooter grades.i would pick up a 24/47 over a mosin anyday. usaully you can get some that look unissued.i have 2 that look brand new and didnt even have hand pick.go with yugo mauser
You're right about the bayonet. Unlike most rifles, the Nagants are sighted in the factory with the bayonet attatched, because the Soviet infantry doctrine of the time was to always have your bayonet fixed. Hence you'll get more accuracy firing with the bayonet than without it.
WRONG! not small barrel, SKS,AK-47 or even small anti-aircraft ALL Russian guns made the wall thickness are VERY THIN but THEY WORKED!
-Just short version to use easy at Stalingrad battle field....even M-44 you can chase deers,water buffalo, hippo and up to elephants! 7.62x54R rounds no kidding..This caliber can shoot thru M-113 (American light tanks) even helicopter fly low too (VIETNAM) NO JAMS ..NO WHATSOEVER!
correct me if wrong but this gun has a very small barrel so that must mean that the gun doesn't have that much accuracy as a mosin nagant m91/30 since the gun has huge barrel?
..... mother of god this seems like the best way to spend 170 dollars..... i now want one......
AzNFudgeman 1 week ago
Chicken.. wing.. bah, either way nice gun! Love the laminated stock on your M44.
LieutenantIrsric 1 week ago
You're shooting carbine correct, with bayonet extended. When folded, point of aim is off. Flash likely due to slower burning powder with round for longer barrel such as for Dragunov or M91 long rifle or even the Tokarev. When shot in shorter barrel, flash occurs from unburnt charge. Laminated stock, nice carbine.
zoesallykatz 1 month ago
the m44 was used more in Vietnam than WW2, but the m44 was used late in second world war don't get me wrong. m91/30 was the main battle rifle for the Russians in ww2
collateral1207 1 month ago
you can pull a rifle tighter to your shoulder if your elbow is down. i dont know what the guy above me is talking about
TheOHHHHHYA 1 month ago
I own a M91, one that the Russians sent to Remington and New England Westinghouse in 1916. My old man bought from someone for 90-some-odd dollars, with over 100 rounds included in the deal.
Sure, the ol' Westinghouse is beat to hell, but it still fires like...some old Russian's wet dream...and I digress. Now, does anyone know where I could find replacement bolt assembly; old man cut off the original bolt handle and welded on a new one when he tried to mount a scope on it...
Baron6661 1 month ago
Chicken Wing is actually the correct way to shot a rifle.
chaseautoplex 2 months ago
whats with the chicken wing?
CyBeRTRoNFLuX 3 months ago
im in ww2 now
ILITTHEWORLDONFIRE 3 months ago
that is a really nice looking m44, mine is beat to hell.
rwallen11 3 months ago
I didn't know you guys sold chicken wings.
sethboy66 4 months ago
That has to be a modified stock, they didn't produce these with laminated stocks, unless it was post-ware era and for civis. and quick quesiton, why are you holding your elbow so high!?
NIGHTEHAWK 5 months ago
@NIGHTEHAWK Yes the Russians did build them with laminated stocks. Recommend you do some research. I have owned several M44's and M38's with laminated stocks.
viebrocker 4 months ago
By the way, that 'chicken wing" smelt will have more powerful than the M-44 to kill deers..kkkk
CharlieDoan 5 months ago
In Vietnam, that gun after first shot and we reload by HAMMER because sticky bolt.kkk How about you guys, gun lovers?? How do you fix it?
CharlieDoan 5 months ago
I think it's interesting how you can see the muzzle flash in some shots and not in others. Must be missing the framerate of the camera to capture it.
Redfingers 5 months ago
Nothing wrong with a "chicken wing" stance. Depends on the kind of shooting and personal preference. I'd consider myself a decently experienced shooter and for an offhand shot you bet I have a chicken wing going on. After heavy exertion it isolates the gun away from your heaving chest. (think biatholon or rundown during a service rifle match). Service rifle is my game and I shoot it competitivly.
sillyak 6 months ago
I have a full-sized mosin-negant and I can put three rounds in an inch and a half at 100 yards(iron sights :) ! ). They really are good rifles for their age and cost. My only criticism is that their "safety" sucks donkey balls.
Snipe4261 6 months ago
Great video. I have a couple in this model, also a couple of the Finnish issue, with the proof-targets still attached. To prove at the arsenal that they would shoot accurately.
666madmonk 6 months ago
Finger off that trigger till you are ready to shoot
jrileymoto1 6 months ago
shooting this gun is ear-splitting even in a wide open area, how have your eardrums not popped yet?
moraddavid 7 months ago
shooter's form is correct. Anyone who shoots competition, or military, or who wants to hit the target, will raise arm til parallel to grolund, as it forms a pocket in the shoulder area, keeping the weapon properly secured in shooting position, enhancing accuracy.
berhorst59 7 months ago
in only see one flash, strange
nikolasmaes99 7 months ago
thats actually a beautiful stock
lalablablaification 7 months ago
im getting a 1925 model that has the octagon shaped barrel its pretty nice and somewhat rare
Oregon2010Ducks 7 months ago
Good posture, your left hand could be nearer the center but the spot weld is right on.
Your right arm is fine. Which military taught you to shoot?
SGTRVN1 7 months ago
Novice shooter or just a weird stance?
rey1933 7 months ago
IT LOOKS FAKE
suger561 8 months ago
@suger561 ITS NOT
xboxfisher50 8 months ago
I had my m44 taken away, and am now getting an m91/30. Does anybody know the differences besides the barrel length it would help a lot.
abcd1234781 8 months ago
@abcd1234781 Depends, first I must ask you, why was it taken away? On to answer to your question, With the M44's hinged bayonet, the 91/30 has a removable bayonet that locks around the barrel, with the 91/30 barrel length you'll have more accuracy out past 500 yards depending on bore condition. M91/30 production ended in 1945 were as M44 production started in late 1943 and ended in 1948. Look for a prewar dated 91/30 with a good to excellent bore.
theotherhomer 8 months ago
@theotherhomer It was a gift but under another family members name, they wanted it back one day, so I was forced to give it back.
abcd1234781 8 months ago
just got done shooting my m44 at the range today for the first time. also my first time shooting a rifle
domz510 8 months ago
is this the mosin nagant short version?
crazyhoob 9 months ago
Chicken wing
Jacob14G 9 months ago
thlap it
Jack44007 9 months ago
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nice.. I got one too.. really good rifle.
CristiClujeanul 9 months ago
Technically the "chicken wing" is only incorrect in tactical shooting. For sport or target shooting, you want to pull the stock in as tight to the shoulder as possible, and since you can exert more force onto the rifle with your elbow out at an angle, the "chicken wing" actually aids shooting. The support arm, holding the foreend of the weapon, is the one that needs to be directly underneath the firearm to bear the weight and stabilize your aim.
coryhouston1 10 months ago 10
@coryhouston1
Additionally, the right arm "chicken wing" does a few other good things too. The shoulder pocket increases in size considerably when your elbow is up. The stock is also raised up a little more, closer to your cheek, and your hand and arm is more correctly aligned with the trigger.
Littlejon126 3 months ago
I have a 1943 Hungarian m44 and I've got to say that it is one of the most accurate iron sight rifles I've fired. It's a fun weapon and very inexpensive because of the amount of surplus. For the price, it's worth it to add to your collection. I would have it ultrasounded before shooting since many of them sold have been used.
mikecristia 10 months ago
lower your right elbow when you shoot
ItalianDC 10 months ago
Holy shit that stock is hot.
ExtraKawaii 11 months ago
How hard was it for you to find one? How much was it?
mythic456 11 months ago
@mastercommentor You suck at spelling, learn to spell.
rsx123 11 months ago
his stance SUCKS
303BoltAction 11 months ago
I think this video is not real.
sock56point 11 months ago
@sock56point why do you think that?
TheGuyWithAWeirdName 11 months ago
I just bought one! I'm really freakin excited to have a play around with it!
flyboy172r 11 months ago
@akkadianarab
The mosins were typically sighted in with the bayonet extended/attached.
ndude555 11 months ago
might i ask why is it that almost every mosin nagant m44 video has the bayonet extended. does it affect accuarcy?
akkadianarab 11 months ago
nothing wrong with chicken wing. don't let the mall ninjas fool you. just be sure to tuck it in when you're being shot at.
rifleman1122 1 year ago
Great Rifle I got one too. I shoot mine with my elbow to the ear too! My Dad (WW2 Vet) taught me to do that with his 30-40 Krag. !
arthurleino 1 year ago
TUCK IN THAT ELBOW!!!
158057 1 year ago
mine was made in 1934 and has never been fired
P8NTBALL60 1 year ago
Screw the fucking chicken wing, his form is all off! Get him on the other knee, left shoulder facing the target, right elbow should be behind the left, raise rifle sights to eye level with minimal head cocking, stock butt in pocket of shoulder, breathe gently and squeeze the trigger.
oOChaosWolfOo 1 year ago
That is actually pretty close to the proper shooting position for those old WW2 rifles. Even the Garand was taught to be shot with the elbow level to the ear.
There are vintage training for this here on youtube.
Your elbow is a bit higher though probably due to the short stock that was meant to be used by a guy wearing a thick winter coat.
BTW I have an M44 and 91/30, great rifles and super addictive.
MacHamish 1 year ago
It's a version of the rifle for cavalry?
Scoutrussp7 1 year ago
Yep, he used all his strength doing the chicken wing and doesn't have enough left to flip the bolt up
fwimple 1 year ago
love the sound of the reload.
IIISWIFTYIII 1 year ago 34
@IIISWIFTYIII you mean the rechambering
stitches611 1 week ago
nice chicken wing...
xSolutionHD 1 year ago
where did you get the soft point rounds all they have where i live are fmjs
wadebaldwin11b 1 year ago
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Wat the Hell did u do to the stock it looks retarded
pyroboys2 1 year ago
@pyroboys2 My rifle was made in 1945, it came from the factory looking like that. It's called a laminated stock. It's actually rare and desirable. Don't be a troglodyte.
coupequattro 1 year ago 80
@coupequattro that thing is pretty. it does however look a bit short.is it the carbine version? a short barrel, combined with a heavy caliber like the 7.62x54r, that thing has got to be LOUD! very nice rifle. and looks like you got the complete version, wtih a bayonet. nice catch!
LukyRemington 1 year ago
@LukyRemington If it's the M44 it's the carbine. The full length is the 91/30. They're great rifles.
tsion11 1 year ago
@coupequattro i want it
DungionKeaper 1 year ago
@coupequattro ahahhahaha, that made me smile.
policeandtheves 9 months ago
@coupequattro not that rare i mean if i can find them in stock like every week at big 5 there not rare
MrDip02 7 months ago
@coupequattro i own and love a 1941 ... Do you have any info one some of the firarms made in that years?? for some Reason my mosin has a Really sweet Trigger pull at around 4 pounds .. I have shoot a friends mosin made in 42 and it has a 10 pound trigger on it .. And it seem like it was just crudely made..
glockhead702 6 months ago
@coupequattro ON not ONE !! my typeing is fail = ) same with spelling !! thanks for feed back
glockhead702 6 months ago
@pyroboys2 My rifle was made in 1945, it came from the factory looking like that. It's called a laminated stock. It's actually rare and desirable. Don't be a troglodyte.
coupequattro 1 year ago 18
@coupequattro is 99 dollars a good price for one? the guy has a laminated stock version but its 129 dollars and i dont have that much, and it was mad in 1943
jcodym13 1 year ago
@jcodym13 anything under 200$ is good for this rifle
bulletz4life 1 year ago
@coupequattro........i got a battlefield pickup and a day later i was checking out the serial numbers and not only did it have a laminated stock, it was made by Tula, and it had all matching serial numbers of yk1556. It is a 91/30 model too. I picked it up at a local Dunham's store for 130 dollars. Which is kind of unbelievable, but apparently the guy that owned it before didn't know anything about it. The marking on it turned out that it was issued to the guards of the Tsar.
rickieingle101st 1 year ago
@coupequattro I just picked up an M44 just like yours with the laminated stock. Now I have the 91/30 and the m44 both russian, both with laminate stocks and both look like they are brand new I love these rifles.
workensmart 1 year ago
@coupequattro desirable if you want it to look like a dump.
hammertimevice 10 months ago
@coupequattro my hardwood 1945 is more rare because it was reworked in yugoslavia not being a dick just sayin
148scalemodeling 7 months ago
@coupequattro nice! i dont have a m44 i have a m38 with laminated stock :)
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wolfenstien1000 6 months ago
@coupequattro Laminated stocks are not rare, they are more uncommon than hardwood but are by no means rare. Nice rifle though.
cwbyfan223 5 months ago
@pyroboys2 it has a more modern frame and the stock loks fine
xXxsk8terxXx2000 1 year ago
@pyroboys2 dumbass
aaronzack14 8 months ago
How is the recoil for a Mosin M90/30 compared to a Kar98k? I just got the Mosin and can't wait to shoot it!!!!!
MrSniperGuy 1 year ago
@MrSniperGuy mosin probably has a little more recoil just because of how the bolt and the stocks design
Robbieifyoucan 1 year ago
does that one have a bayonet on it?????
TheBigRed95APR 1 year ago
To call your friend inexperience for using a "chicken wing" stance is just silly. Rifles of 19th century ergonomic where the barrel is above the line of the shoulder are meant to be shot in such a manner. Look at photographs or training footage of the era and they are all using such a stance. I could be just me, but I don't think you need to shoot a bolt action rifle with a tacticool dynamic magpul stance
SpiroHrvoje1989 1 year ago
@SpiroHrvoje1989 Because my rotator cuffs are so far gone that's the only way I can shoot with any degree of comfort. My boy's call me Fog-horn Leghorn.after the cartoon rooster.
klesmer 1 year ago
@SpiroHrvoje1989 if its most comfortable for him then why are your criticising? Generally you shouldnt have your arm out but he looks like a big guy with longer arms so having your elbow tucked in may not be comfortable.
baconator490 1 year ago
@baconator490 Excuse me, but maybe you should read what I wrote a little more carefully.
SpiroHrvoje1989 1 year ago
BUGAWK
Fytox2 1 year ago
lol when i first shot mine i rested my cheek bone on my thumb and gave my self a black eye
cheesejerkys 1 year ago
I love my mosin nagant. But you guys are getting worked up by a chicken wing. Just remember when you guys were learning/novice, besides he's pretty hot and distracted me from noticing it at first.
The1bigsky 1 year ago
why does everyone with a mosin shoot with they bayonet on? lol
Corpral1992 1 year ago
@Corpral1992 Because the Mosin Nagant rifles were intended to be fired with the bayonet attached or, in the case of the M44, extended.
TheThirteenthCircle 1 year ago
He should bend the other knee, and use it to support the arm supporting the M44. More steady and accurate that way. At least I find it to be a fairly comfortable position. Shoot however you like as long as it's safe :P
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
Damn that dudes got quite the chicken wing on him.
kylethelincey 1 year ago
nice finish
NYYandrew2 1 year ago
He should try the Czech ammo out... HUGE fireball! Love my Mosin! the stock finally stopped sweating cosmoline when I'd shoot it! Awesome rifle! I love letting people shoot it for the first time....they never expect how much recoil there is! My wife got a rude awakening and a sore shoulder! She did shoot 5 rounds! Then I let her shoot my Remington 870 with the deer barrel on it...with slugs. That's when she got pissed off at me!
EricBBrandon1 1 year ago
He should try the Czech ammo out... HUGE fireball! Love my Mosin! the stock finally stopped sweating cosmoline when I'd shoot it! Awesome rifle! I love letting people shoot it for the first time....they never expect how much recoil there is!
EricBBrandon1 1 year ago
if i was a rusian, ill kill a german with my rifle and take his, because the mosins bolt is shit. but i love my mosin to death.
88pie88 1 year ago
NAGANTS FOR LIFE!!!! Long Live x54!!!!
Hugh33h 1 year ago
@Hugh33h It certainly is lmao since 1891 isn't it?
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
That is a nice M44 I am looking to buy one where did you buy it?
cokeslo 1 year ago
whats the diffrence between a M44 and 91/30? anybody?
xXdEaThSeQuEnCeXx 1 year ago
@xXdEaThSeQuEnCeXx M44 has a 20in barrel, the 91/30 has a 27in
OhshitPositive 1 year ago
@OhshitPositive cool thx
xXdEaThSeQuEnCeXx 1 year ago
yeah cool
i have a mosin nagant of 1942 have the communist simbol and the communist star on the rifle
RUDEBOY0094 1 year ago
good stance and its pretty cool you can see the heat waves off your rifle i have two m9130s and one m44
disturbingimage2000 1 year ago
The "Chicken wing" is actually OK, and more stable.
Erindee22 1 year ago
how are we supposed to see the fireballs when you zoom in to the bolt and not see the barrel. lol just saying
xBloodfatherx 1 year ago
do i have a mosin nagant m44 that my great gramps snagged coming out of world war 2 he gave it to me and i love the rifle it even has talley marks on it for you that know what that means
Kawinerd12 1 year ago
damn that has a beautiful stock on it
MrIceBrick 1 year ago
Bring that chicken wing back KFC. (:
mrkyleabc 1 year ago
jesus thats a really nice stock you have for that rifle
GoldsCovers 1 year ago
In Soviet Russia, gun shoot you!!! Is that a bayonet?
xxReaverXXCerberusxx 1 year ago
My husband has this carbine and when he shoots it ,it sounds like a cannon! That,s what the other guy's said at the range(LOL)
nilda1947 1 year ago
I bet that kick hurts your shoulder a bit.
ResisTooClicK 1 year ago
Chicken wing? That's proper posture.
klesmer 1 year ago
@klesmer no it's not. why would you stick your arm out like that? it makes you a bigger target. not trying to sound like a tool or anything, but you want to keep everything tight and in.
reallydumbhorse 1 year ago
@reallydumbhorse Dude, I was taught to shoot by a Marine drill instructor over 40yrs ago, that is military posture. Plus the elbow ain't near as big a target as your torso.
klesmer 1 year ago
@klesmer ok... Dude. I spent two and a half YEARS (07-09) as a Marine small arms instructor at Camp Lejeune and at a few places in the DC area (I'll just let your imagination take you places here). Not to mention tours overseas. I don't care how small your elbow is, sticking extra crap out increases the chance of extra extremities getting hit (trust me... I know), hence increasing the chances of you becoming a less effective trigger puller when everyone else needs you to be.
reallydumbhorse 1 year ago
@reallydumbhorse My how things change over the years. I guess if I am being shot at I will keep my elbow tucked for sure. The old bastard who taught me to shoot is probably rolling over in his grave.
klesmer 1 year ago
@klesmer maybe they have changed some. i wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything by the way. if you search "usmc cqb instructors" or "us army cqb training" the first videos that come up have some good examples of steady compact shooting posture. i like the army also, they get it right as well, as shown in the army video i just recommended. happy shooting.
reallydumbhorse 1 year ago
chicken wing. Put the stock in the meaty part of your shoulder. ya it'll hurt but it's worth it
mcgeehanclanfam 1 year ago
Chickenwing is inexperienced? Thats standard U.S. Military training
epicnova13 1 year ago
jesus boy.. put your arm down
Hairyballzach 1 year ago
elbow to the sky
darkfishy87 1 year ago
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armedandready72 1 year ago
Teach your friend a shooting stance. Hahaha hes alright. With Mosin Nagants, it is really helpful to rest forward wood on something and then lean forward, one hand on the trigger and the other on the stock with you cheek against that hand.
Sanford63 1 year ago
Anyone care to tell me what the term "chicken-wing" means? Is it the way he holds his arms or something? 'Cause I don't really see him doing anything wrong... :?
jackfrosty399 1 year ago
I see you've got some mosin slap going on there, need to get the rest of the cosmolene out of the barrel. Use a drill and wire brush, just don't get into the rifling, worked great on mine, made the action much smoother. Almost needed to work the bolt with a mallet the first time I shot my mosin.
BHarris25 1 year ago
they kick like a mule with 205 grains
WVliberty 1 year ago
@WVliberty there the rifle of the prolatariat
WVliberty 1 year ago
What the HELL is a chicken wing? I been shooting for 38 years, I DO not hold my arm up like that, is that a chicken wing?
prettyvacant2007 1 year ago
@prettyvacant2007 yeah
landronics 1 year ago
are the 203 grain good in the mosins???
IKEFOOTBALL77 1 year ago
i hav a mosin nagant carbine but its not as short as this gun, are there different sizes of carbines?
Woozle401 1 year ago
@Woozle401 Maybe you have a M1891/30 with a 27 inch barrel. Mine is a M44 with a 20 inch barrel. The bayonet is extended in my video. The only other carbine Mosin is the M38 which is the same as the M44 except without the integral bayonet.
coupequattro 1 year ago
you forgot the 91/59 witch is a 91/30 cut down
IKEFOOTBALL77 1 year ago
@coupequattro
M-44...Did you guy have STICKING BOLT when the rifle get hotter? or after 200 rounds?
-In this case, go home and cook HOT water and clear the bolt and barrel first before Oil and cleaning stuff, LAST I lubricated bolt area with AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION DEXTRON ii WORK EXCELLENT!!! so the SKS and AK-47 (NOT AMERICAN GUNS!)
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
You have a 91/30 this is the m44 vrs. there isnt a big differnce ony the size and the m44 has the baynett right on it and (like a sks) the 91/30s baynett was used like a screwdriver and to impale people but thats about it same round size and all
b52goats 1 year ago
@b52goats kk That screwdriver bayoneta can go thru 2 NAZI boys..not kidding!
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
m44 is short barrel version of the m91/30.
They were made shorter for more practical use and easier manueverability. The barrel is just shorter, the bolt and bore and everything is the same
baconator490 1 year ago
@Woozle401 Yes the M44 is that short! and it..pardon the pun is a blast to shoot. The 7.62x54r is a hell of a cartridge. They sent a lot of Nazis to hell with all variants of the Russian "Three Line"!
WAQWBrentwood 1 year ago
@Woozle401 P.S The M44 is designed to be fired with bayonet extended. Folding it makes it easier to stow.
WAQWBrentwood 1 year ago
@Woozle401
Your rifle is better, I mean less kick and accuracy is a plus!
M-44 is the short version, easy to put in the back of pick up truck for deers ....
I had 1 and very accuracy with bayonet out, I hear M-44 in order to shoot good must used bayonet in prepare to kill position! (sorry bad English,but understandable)? $69.00 at BIG 5 Phoenix,AZ on sale now and then!
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
I know the differnce now people thanks any way :P in fact i own a 91/30 now to
b52goats 2 years ago
@b52goats no problemo
gpfordstang302 2 years ago
can some one tell me the diff. between a m 44 and a 91/30?
b52goats 2 years ago
@b52goats from wat I have heard/read the 91/30 was designed in 1891 and the m44 in 1944...other than that i dont know but i think the 91/30 is longer lol.
gpfordstang302 2 years ago
thanks do you think 119 for the 91/30 would be good?
b52goats 2 years ago
@b52goats u mean the price? then yea if its in good condition sounds like a good deal to me.
gpfordstang302 2 years ago
sweet thanks agin :D
b52goats 2 years ago
91/30 has a longer barrel the m44 is a carbine so it has a shorter barrel
baconator490 1 year ago
m44 is the short version of the 91/30
soixe1997 2 years ago
91/30 are the 1891 model of Mosin Nagants. They have a long barrel. M44 is the Model 1944 Carbine version of a Mosin Nagant.
91/30 long barrel Better accuracy.
M44 Shorter barrel.
IronLion27 2 years ago
Very nice video! Loved seeing the muzzle flash on the second to last shot.
Midgetgirl05 2 years ago
Get that elbow down!
wardog1960 2 years ago
Nope elbow up makes the cup...it's a battle rifle from WW2, not an AR!
MacHamish 2 years ago
awesome video
buy it does no justice to how loud those things really are! :P
once again, awesome vid
imthbst 2 years ago
correct me if wrong but this gun has a very small barrel so that must mean that the gun doesn't have that much accuracy as a mosin nagant m91/30 since the gun has huge barrel?
your dead wrong.i have a m44 that if you leave the bayonet out it is a tack driver.i put a scout scope on it and can get moa accuracy.i have been shooting nagants for 30 years now and eaither the 38/44/91-30 all have dam good accuracy.the 44/38 were carbines. good accuracy out to 400 or so
highcountry74 2 years ago
The M44 carbine has a 20" barrel. The M1891/30 has a 27" barrel. Neither of those are short barrels by .30 cal rifle standards.
coupequattro 2 years ago
m1 carbine has an 18" barrel, m44 is close, but 2" in the carbine world may as well be a mile
rifleslol 2 years ago
@coupequattro Makes sense, the original model bolt action rifles a lot of countries were using at the same were designed for volley fire at targets over 600 meters away. Nobody really grasped until during the First World War that repeating rifles and machine guns had made Infantry Line tactics obsolete. Even then, a lot of old design cliches continued in late bolt action designs.
CaptHawkeye 1 year ago
@CaptHawkeye Yep, gotta remember the infantry officers of WW-I were products of the mid 19th century!
coupequattro 1 year ago
@highcountry74 yea right, the bayonet makes the rifle shoot better, that is a good one.
prettyvacant2007 1 year ago
@highcountry74 Barrel length doesn't decrease or increase accuracy.
IceMakKneeGrows 1 year ago
@highcountry74 I have had the privilige of shooting the raw power of the M91/30 however I made a bone headed move back 4-5 months ago and i sold it, I was getting tired of cleaning it. Anyway my rationale tells me to get a yugo 24/47 which is only a bit more expensive, can get one for about 170-180 in VG condition + 10 handselect. Should I go back to a Mosin, or get me a Yugo? I have an unissued checz VZ-24, perfect bore and crown, wood work is A++ but that piece is to nice to fire it, opinion?
SSSDiaz7 1 year ago
@SSSDiaz7 between the 2 i have had some yugos that would shoot circles around any mosin nagant.the guns are better made and you cant go wrong with 8mm .the ammo may be a bit more expensive than the 7.62x54r.i would also not shoot the vz-24 to have one in that good of shape is a rarity most are shot out mismatched shooter grades.i would pick up a 24/47 over a mosin anyday. usaully you can get some that look unissued.i have 2 that look brand new and didnt even have hand pick.go with yugo mauser
highcountry74 1 year ago
@highcountry74
You're right about the bayonet. Unlike most rifles, the Nagants are sighted in the factory with the bayonet attatched, because the Soviet infantry doctrine of the time was to always have your bayonet fixed. Hence you'll get more accuracy firing with the bayonet than without it.
bibblebob 1 year ago
@highcountry74
WRONG! not small barrel, SKS,AK-47 or even small anti-aircraft ALL Russian guns made the wall thickness are VERY THIN but THEY WORKED!
-Just short version to use easy at Stalingrad battle field....even M-44 you can chase deers,water buffalo, hippo and up to elephants! 7.62x54R rounds no kidding..This caliber can shoot thru M-113 (American light tanks) even helicopter fly low too (VIETNAM) NO JAMS ..NO WHATSOEVER!
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
correct me if wrong but this gun has a very small barrel so that must mean that the gun doesn't have that much accuracy as a mosin nagant m91/30 since the gun has huge barrel?
devil55122 2 years ago