Even if you don't like noise music, saying that it's "not music" is one of the easiest ways to make yourself look completely retarded in a conversation. It's ridiculous people still don't know what the word "music" means today.
QUE MIERDA ES ESOOOOOO..... NO ENTIENDO POR Q LO APLAUDEN.... Q VERGUENZA....!!!! Q DOLOR DE ODIDOS. NO HAY ARMONIA, NO HAY NADA.!!!! SOLO INSOLENCIA,!!
I couldn't help but notice that 100 different people don't like this, I am not going to make a generic statement about them. However I bet if I spoke with them for just a moment about why I love this music so much that might understand a little better what this all about. Would it shock anyone if I said I find enjoyment in anything that comes across my path, for the sheer fact that it's the easiest way to get through life? This music makes me happy, so do alot of different things. That is all.
is it weird that im thinking this would actually sound good in small doses over some speed metal shit??? i think its weird. i wanna write a song to this.
Damn this is fucking ridiculous!!! I cant believe this guy has fans. I was searching for cool avant garde music and guitar solos and I have to face this. Damn!
See I don't think noise fans are all that pretentious because you could literally play anything you fucking want and they will clap for you. That's like the opposite of pretentious if you ask me.
Also, I doubt this guy is making any sort of serious living doing this. This is just a good release. If you've ever played noise music as a style then you'll know it feels good, and it has nothing to do with "making fun" of anybody.
@DjembeSauce Actually Otomo Yoshihide is quite an accomplished and successful musician, although nowadays he is more 'jazz' in his approach. I'd imagine he certainly makes a living (if not a handsome one) from what he does (although of course, he does so much more nowadays than play noise guitar in big boots). This video is pretty old!
@DjembeSauce exactly. I love making noise, it's the biggest release of emotion you will ever have. Since I don't do heroin, and I don't beat my head into the floor, and I'm not a serial arsonist and I don't have a wife to beat, I have my noise.
See I don't think noise fans are the pretentious seeing as how you could literally play anything you fucking want and they'll clap for you. That's like the opposite of pretentious if you ask me.
Noise can be as beautiful/entertaining as you find any other traditional taste because Noise is a sound and a taste and really a acquired taste actually that comes by Experimenting.
Noise can be as beautiful/entertaining as you find any other traditional taste because Noise is a sound and a taste and really a acquired taste actually that comes by Experimenting.
okay okay... i am really trying to have an open mind, and i am listening to this and honestly making an effort to find something in all of this.
you can come all fart-ass with the attitude of "who can defy what music really is?"
and let this dude make a living by coming up this stage and act like a retard.
but if you try to be a little honest with yourself... deep down inside, you know that this is crossing the line between art and... well... bullshit. he is making fun of you all.
@neomilem idont think he´s making fun of anything and it isnt bullshit at all.it´s simply a way of shouting, rythmically smart. everybody who knows just a little of musik or plays an instrument has to recognize this an artistic act.
@gerdnickel It isn' t bullshit at all if you assume bullshit isn' t bullshit at all but you just happen to think it is... Artistic act made me laugh though, thank you :) Expression, fine... Art? Nah..
I guess there's some emotion (anger, I suppose?) to it, but in all honesty, this sounds like technical wank in it's absolute ugliest form, as if he's fist-fucking his guitar while it screams in agonizing pain.
If I want wank, I'll go for Psyopus, but not this.
this is the most creative work that I've seen in a while... brilliant execution and just watching all this is so beautiful. That is, if you have an open mind..
This noise is beyond good and bad, so you can't rate this "music" if you don't get it actually or even think about it . The point is, you have to understand what he's trying to transmit with it. He's an allrounder.
I heard loads of bands/projects in that kind of so i can gladly say that he's doing great stuff btw. It's not even NOISE just for you "Uneasy listening"
It truly seems to me that even the people who fucking LOVE Yoshihide: most of them hardly even can get a grasp on how good he really is. He is so good that even his appearance is even good on a superficial level. All I mean to say is this cat is reALLLYY FUCKIN GOOOOODD. HEAVEN!
the guitar, the tuning, the effects (possibly harmonizer?) the physicality of attack.
there is sometimes a verticality in terms of seperation of registers.. the open sound of the guitar vs the higher almost altissimo-like screaming .. and obvious overtone series manipulation.
there is order in this piece.. there are a limited number of compositional devices he's working with here. the result may be unpleasing to your ear but there is method in this.
sound is the basis of music. just because we've imposed order on sound doesnt make it any more or less appealing. essentially music is the conduit to the experience of sound.
and thats besides the point.. there is order and composition in this clip. just because it isnt fixed to a 12 tone tempered grid doesnt make it any less or more musical. interpretation and appreciation is subjective and very individualistic. this is very much music.
I guess we're talking about two different perspectives. You're right. Sound only has physical parameters (frequency, amplitude, volume, etc.) and does not require syntax or context. Of course there is beauty in sound. But music must have parameters/rules/order so that it can be interpreted by the listener, same as language. Otherwise everyone's "interpretation" will be different and not what the "musician" wants to convey. You are talking about sound, I am talking about music.This is not music.
@outled If you believe nothing has meaning, you must lead an entirely vacuous existence. I really pity you. But then, if nothing has meaning, then the notion of "opinion" can't exist either. And you've just expressed an opinion. I suggest moving on to Chapter 2 of your "Philosophy for Dummies" book before trying to come across as a deep-thinker. You've just posted yet another example of the kind of bullshit rhetoric that "freeform" art attracts.
num8andy i meet your kind all the time, so you think opinion=meaning. Wow you do have a god complex. I mean it actually seems to frighten you that people can absorb that which is culturally abstract, man i hate the term deepthinker, now that really is a term only idiots use. Your sequential assessment shows more of your negative space than your substance which is your own internal monologue. I hope you can realise how blissful the futility is before your pride totally usurps you. thank you.
@outled My "kind"? Who has the "god complex" here!? Who of the two of us is oppressing the other with bombastic rhetoric and sheer ad hominem, patronising bullshit! My "sequential assessment" is what makes me human. By definition, you must be cursed by your own "internal monologue" if you don't accept "meaning" as an external influence. Futiliy of what? What has "pride" to do with it? You're spouting utter shit and you continue to show your vacuous life with your vacuous statements. I pity you.
And look at you suck up now that the big boys have had their fight, you snivelling little creep. Fail? I'm tired of justifying myself to that utter twat outled. By "inviting" me to have the last word to "seal" my failure just highlights his need to divert attention from his entire lack of basis for argument and abstract ramblings. I'm better than to respond to his goading. You on the other hand, are just a total dick.
@outled Oh, and if nothing has meaning, why would you use " :D " to emote your post. Were you trying to "transfer" meaning to me using a generally accepted method? LMAO!! (There's another one)
binary sequential num8andy getting his knickers in a twist because i claim there is no meaning, instantly claims i am vacuous and an idiot. What fear based kneejerking, what programmed diagnostics, what a tit. Even if you dont agree, to entertain a different notion should be stimulating not stereotyping, but alas youve fallen at the first. goodbibe. oh and :) doesnt really mean a damn thing does it neither does this or you or me so calm thy little petals my delicate wide eyed flower xxxx lol
@outled I love being considered a wide-eyed flower - accepting and growing in my environment and being taken where the wind takes me! My "progamming" is only a desire to understand. I never said you were an idiot? You are however, quite a pathetic figure with a superiority complex like I've rarely seen outside this Comments board. If :) doesn't mean a damn thing, why use it? You have no basis for your argument so you revert to playground mentality. I pity you.
oh my gosh its all the fun of the fayre with you. Well i revel in it my friend, idiocracy or not, your well considered objectivity should hence forth be exalted. Your mirrored fortress is a sight to behold but enough ramming of horns. I'm not here to convert like your good self, i will stay floating in my hopeless vacuum of subsistance and dream of attaining your level of acceptance. I'm quite sure you would like the last word now, please be my guest.
there is order in sound. there is order outside the parameters of our chosen methods of 'control'. order is all pervasive. just because we impose an 'order' on sound it doesnt mean sound has its own. and even in this case with otomo... there is clearly order in terms of physical execution, his choice of sound generation and even timbral/tonal areas.
the thing is.. breaking this down in such an intellectual manner is funny.. because the visceral appeal of this music is the key.
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Because I'm a guitarist and I enjoy watching all the talented amateurs on here as much as my famous heroes. I love music and I love the guitar. It annoys me that this guy and others like Derek Bailey can command audiences (and probably a great deal of money) playing random, offensive noise to people who think they are intellectually superior to those who "don't understand" it, when in fact they are too weak to question it for fear of looking stupid themselves. Emperor's New Clothes...
Otomo Yoshihide did not get famous doing things like this so much as he got famous doing things like his New Jazz Orchestra or whatever it's called which is a whole lot more organized and he composed stuff for that I'm sure he's a totally legitamite musician. As for Derek Bailey, I prefer it when musicians do both experimental/atonal work along with tonal work to show all sides of their musicianship but Derek brought the guitar a new vocab so he's totally legit.
Derek Bailey was an accomplished working big band guitar player before he went all far out on us and beat out the guitar free improv trail. He just got bored doing what he was doing and he said in an interview on youtube that the biggest appeal was being able to play with anyone he wanted. If you are truly a musician like you say you should find that totally inspiring at least that part.
Now as for the pretensions involved with the avant-garde fanbase thinking they are smarter than everyone else, I can't speak for everyone (but neither can you) but I know that among me and my friends it was somewhat of a learning process and that we hated noise at first too. I don't think that it's an intelligence thing but it certainly is a learning thing. By all means though hate it, you have a right to do anything, but don't do it here because we aren't all like the egos you speak of.
p.s. it does however make you look stupid when you assume that we all are full of ourselves . . . some people just like weird off-center sounding instrumental work.
Also, not in the case of Otomo since he mostly uses feedback (which gets boring after a while but like I said New Jazz Orchestra, he does stuff with Jun Togawa who I love) but in Derek Bailey's case he had to know how to play the guitar to do what he does because he never repeats himself. He may not be the fastest or the loudest or the best but he can play his instrument and instead of wanking off to how good he is like some of the great rock guitarists of the 70s and 80s he makes music.
I hope nothing I said offended you it's not the intent it's just that like Yehudi Menuhin said to Glenn Gould on a video where they played Schoenberg's Fantasie he said something along the lines of despite his ill feelings towards the music of Schoenberg he was somehow able to enjoy what they were doing because he learned from Gould and the main point he made was that he always thought that someone who enjoys a certain type of music innevitably understands it better than someone who doesn't.
I'm kinda replying to all of your posts (500 characters not enough sometimes huh!):
THANK YOU! For taking the time to explain all this as a genuine fan and not in a condescending or patronizing way. I still stand by my opinion that some of the other "fans" of this art-form are "full of themselves" in the way they respond and reply on here. But what would really change my opinion here is to see Bailey, Otomo, et al playing their instruments in the "normal" way, to prove they can. Got anything?
Well I mentioned New Jazz Orchestra already. Some of it is still free Jazz but I know that that Jun Togawa song is pretty normal since they're backing a pop star and I'm sure they have others like it. I'm pretty new to Derek Bailey but I'm sure you can find a discography of his somewhere that lists the albums he played straight on as a sessions guy, if any exist. I was just saying that Bailey performed as a big band guitar that's all I know.
I forgot also that Otomo Yoshihide has performed with another pop star and Jim O'Rourke idk where it is but there was some video here on youtube and he was playing straight in that. Plus, Otomo is a turntabilist too and we all know that while that is still noises it takes major precision to pull off which is just what playing an instrument is anyway.
Also, I'll tell you what I told someone on a different Yoshihide video (though in a nicer way since you've been nicer) I don't think it really matters that he's playing the guitar. It seems to matter to you that this music is being played on the guitar and I don't think it matters. The guitar is an instrument just like any other and guitarists tend to put it on a pedastel, that's as annoying to me as pretentious noise fans are to you. 500 Characters is never enough for me, haha.
A song called Dreams with the New Jazz Ensemble is the specific song that I mentioned from Yoshihide. His guitar playing is simple but the point is he is the band leader and I suppose the composer.
"At the end of the 1990s he founded Ōtomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Ensemble, a group that played more traditional jazz (albeit with added sine waves from Sachiko M and noisy passages), which released Flutter and Dreams on the Tzadik label. In Japan, a more consistent lineup of the group, using the name Ōtomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet . . ."
the ratio to posts from ignorant assholes claiming these people dont know how to play music to those from 'fans who are full of themselves' is much higher in respect to the former.
why shoud any of these people need to play their instruments in a 'normal' way? otomo's music is more concernedd with sound generation than it is with the imposition of intellectual concepts and bailey is exposing the tonal possibilities of the guitar. its not part of their mission. like it or hate it.
btw.. what i mean by tonal possiblities is actually a much more of an intellectual proposition for bailey and dare i say 'conventional' in comparison to otomo's guitar playing.
if yer to listen to bailey's standards album and read some info on him.. you'd see that he's coming from a pre-bop continium of jazz combined with post serialism. so essentially he's experimenting with the tonal or atonal potential of the guitar.. also in relation to harmonics and behind the bridge/nut sounds as well.
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Did you like my "free improvised " text earlier? Would you read a whole book written like that? Why should I be bound by rules of language and use skill to make it beautiful? Does that make one an ignorant asshole?
Shall I translate it? It's an extract from "The Emperor's New Clothes" about those too scared to look stupid by questioning what is clearly wrong.
Music is an art, a language that has rules if we are to communicate it and understand its beauty. Music without order is just noise.
if you dont like what you hear... theres no point in debating this.
text is symbolic.. sound is not symbolic. music does not have any general or absolute rules. in order to achieve a specific effect one needs to understand the form of a particular idiom. not everyone wants to paint by numbers though.
nothing is wrong here.
everyone is attuned to different vibrations in different ways.
If you mean strings and magnetism, isn't that what an electric guitar does anyway? Nothing pioneering there. If he uses thicker strings it's because he's not that reliant on string-bends, is he! Plus the thicker strings will take the abuse he gives them.
It might well be a homemade guitar. Who cares. It could be a piece of 2 x 4 marine ply with a pickup on it for all the requirement of tone, timbre and sustain he needs. But I'm learning now that that's not the point anyway...
I was referring to the thick coils that he was using just above his strings. He plays them as well as the traditional strings. Also, I think that you're missing the point slightly; it is about tone, perhaps you just don't like the sound of it.
again why are you here if you hate it but also it did change the sound to make a nice clean feedback noise for a moment either you're deaf or dumb but gtfo if you're just gonna blab about shit
In the same way as the "art" that was made by a troupe of chimpanzees was appreciated and critically acclaimed by a whole bunch of art critics until they were made to look stupid when told of its origin, you arrogant, pretentious twat!
LOL! An informed and articulate art critic! You must have been to one of my "Barbie meets Captain America" progressive dance shows. Hope you enjoyed it.
It might be the artist's perogative, but isn't it mine to challenge something I disagree with? I'm sure you enjoy painting with human faeces and photographs of landmine victims too...
那把琴是我一直没找到的那种。
wolowoi1 2 months ago
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as long as you're not thinking about it as 'guitar' music then you'll get it
freejazzfree 3 months ago
I don't get it, but...Alright.
I should look into this more.
amazemeplz 3 months ago 4
Even if you don't like noise music, saying that it's "not music" is one of the easiest ways to make yourself look completely retarded in a conversation. It's ridiculous people still don't know what the word "music" means today.
d4nd34c0n 3 months ago
QUE MIERDA ES ESOOOOOO..... NO ENTIENDO POR Q LO APLAUDEN.... Q VERGUENZA....!!!! Q DOLOR DE ODIDOS. NO HAY ARMONIA, NO HAY NADA.!!!! SOLO INSOLENCIA,!!
KGERARDITOK 3 months ago
I couldn't help but notice that 100 different people don't like this, I am not going to make a generic statement about them. However I bet if I spoke with them for just a moment about why I love this music so much that might understand a little better what this all about. Would it shock anyone if I said I find enjoyment in anything that comes across my path, for the sheer fact that it's the easiest way to get through life? This music makes me happy, so do alot of different things. That is all.
SOADownsnubs 4 months ago
@SOADownsnubs How does that joke makes you happy? Why do you love that noise? P.S. '.... I love this music so much...'. This ISN'T MUSIC!
aindrikovs 3 months ago
Does he have the overcoat on because his playing is so COLD?
MrRoycam 5 months ago
@MrRoycam worst joke ever
Osthropek 4 months ago
Iai of the guitar.
coulddone 8 months ago
This guy taught herman li how to shred
extremesoul666 9 months ago
abrasive
Hazeon777 9 months ago
master
babaZbazaru 10 months ago
Anyone got the tab for this?
sludgefingers 10 months ago 7
This is badassery at its best.
TheFigueroa007 11 months ago
how do you get this kind of sound exactly?
andybarone1984 11 months ago
@andybarone1984
Its easy to get this tone and sound.
1) turn your gain on max, treb max, bass off, mid off
2) tune your guitar to open gsus 3 octaves below standard
3) take a dewalt 18 volt impact driver or a vibrating dildo and smash it into guitar strings and or pickups with ample force
4) bend neck and try to dismantle guitar while shoving it against the speaker while fretting 4 and 7 on the d simultaneously
then ultimately you got your killer static-diarrhea noise sound
extremesoul666 11 months ago 5
Fucking incredible. Love Otomo
GarethSTC 11 months ago
cool music - wish it was longer.
jing479 11 months ago
太坑爹了吧……
ArthurDeBisu 1 year ago
Worst solo evar.
Ralvera 1 year ago
is it weird that im thinking this would actually sound good in small doses over some speed metal shit??? i think its weird. i wanna write a song to this.
mrdouchefags 1 year ago 2
I guess everything a guitarist does qualifies it as a solo now. Bravo
extremesoul666 1 year ago
@extremesoul666 well he IS playing by himself.
andybarone1984 11 months ago
@andybarone1984
hahhahaha nice
extremesoul666 11 months ago
Wow i thought i made the most annoying video ever. I didn't even know this was around. I fail.
extremesoul666 1 year ago
This video made me think of nuclear fuzz-grunge.
Turagalover 1 year ago 2
ne 1 got tabs 4 this?! lol i am newb at guitar nd i want to lern this solo!
fryBASS 1 year ago 2
no fair why does Japan get all the cool musicians ...
oldlampsfornew 1 year ago
Herman lee was his student lol
rixxxer 1 year ago 2
@mattdavgra JUST A DIFFERENCE IN TASTE I LOVE IT
17205513 1 year ago
a good performance! very related to jimi hendrix´ "star spanled banner"...
that´s a statement!
felix4019 1 year ago
name of the song: mandatory medical treatment
qwfwq2 1 year ago 2
0:47 Oh shit, yeah, i forgot than song was in dropped D
nickter 1 year ago 43
tatakuiri, with jon rose, is i think his best
blefusku 1 year ago
he stole that riff from eugene chadbourne.
kensho3 1 year ago
"how to kill your guitar" or your cat...
anfegori91 1 year ago
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this guy used to do wedding gigs
boogster123321 1 year ago
Damn this is fucking ridiculous!!! I cant believe this guy has fans. I was searching for cool avant garde music and guitar solos and I have to face this. Damn!
DeadlyLord5000 1 year ago
See I don't think noise fans are all that pretentious because you could literally play anything you fucking want and they will clap for you. That's like the opposite of pretentious if you ask me.
Also, I doubt this guy is making any sort of serious living doing this. This is just a good release. If you've ever played noise music as a style then you'll know it feels good, and it has nothing to do with "making fun" of anybody.
DjembeSauce 1 year ago 22
@DjembeSauce Actually Otomo Yoshihide is quite an accomplished and successful musician, although nowadays he is more 'jazz' in his approach. I'd imagine he certainly makes a living (if not a handsome one) from what he does (although of course, he does so much more nowadays than play noise guitar in big boots). This video is pretty old!
cheekymonkey1979 1 year ago
@DjembeSauce exactly. I love making noise, it's the biggest release of emotion you will ever have. Since I don't do heroin, and I don't beat my head into the floor, and I'm not a serial arsonist and I don't have a wife to beat, I have my noise.
wordupassholes 7 months ago
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sitarnut 3 months ago
See I don't think noise fans are the pretentious seeing as how you could literally play anything you fucking want and they'll clap for you. That's like the opposite of pretentious if you ask me.
DjembeSauce 1 year ago
that was incredible...
ShaunMikeAudio 1 year ago
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Noise can be as beautiful/entertaining as you find any other traditional taste because Noise is a sound and a taste and really a acquired taste actually that comes by Experimenting.
Craiglend 1 year ago
Noise can be as beautiful/entertaining as you find any other traditional taste because Noise is a sound and a taste and really a acquired taste actually that comes by Experimenting.
Craiglend 1 year ago
okay okay... i am really trying to have an open mind, and i am listening to this and honestly making an effort to find something in all of this.
you can come all fart-ass with the attitude of "who can defy what music really is?"
and let this dude make a living by coming up this stage and act like a retard.
but if you try to be a little honest with yourself... deep down inside, you know that this is crossing the line between art and... well... bullshit. he is making fun of you all.
neomilem 1 year ago
@neomilem idont think he´s making fun of anything and it isnt bullshit at all.it´s simply a way of shouting, rythmically smart. everybody who knows just a little of musik or plays an instrument has to recognize this an artistic act.
gerdnickel 1 year ago
@gerdnickel It isn' t bullshit at all if you assume bullshit isn' t bullshit at all but you just happen to think it is... Artistic act made me laugh though, thank you :) Expression, fine... Art? Nah..
frankmontis 1 year ago
@gerdnickel that is not true because i play both guitar and piano
and i like avant guard music very much (maudlin of the well, sleepytime gorilla museum etc)
and believe it or not, i even got "ground zero - red" on my ipod (wich is this dude right here) and listened to it many times.
i gotta say it was more interesting then this video, but still, even if i am able to find some points that i enjoy it, it remains controversial to me.
a man can fart on a microphone and still people will call it art
neomilem 1 year ago
@neomilem ok, say it isn't music - does that mean it should be impossible for people to enjoy?
i'm not trying to be an asshole here, but it's hard to have an open mind about something when you haven't taken the time to educate yourself about it.
kitchen867 1 year ago
Good historical document as music of the past music from the mid 90s.
dorukc 1 year ago
It's not so much music as a soundscape he's creating.
JazzmanJibilla 1 year ago
@JazzmanJibilla
music, soundscape, noise, its just semantics. one persons idea of music is anothers noise and vice versa
i just finished listening to the latest Beyonce song. now I am watching this.
oldlampsfornew 1 year ago
so fucking epic! i don't care what anybody says, that was badass
gijimmbo 1 year ago
@ zollman 90. I have an open mind, but this was shit!!!!!
Absolutely NO musical use whatsoever.
r5t6y12 1 year ago
@r5t6y12 what the fuck do you mean by "musical use"?
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@kerry221 "sounds like a 3 year old got ahold of a guitar"
No, it don't. You got no idea.
TaterGumfries 1 year ago
This is Sweet!
lazzile 1 year ago
I guess there's some emotion (anger, I suppose?) to it, but in all honesty, this sounds like technical wank in it's absolute ugliest form, as if he's fist-fucking his guitar while it screams in agonizing pain.
If I want wank, I'll go for Psyopus, but not this.
guy12343456 1 year ago
IT WAS A FIREFIGHT
MassiveCrab 1 year ago
feel the pain
uyutupseven 1 year ago
HELL YEAH!
Syncopat1oN 1 year ago
Ah... The Mindfucking brilliance of this music >=D
xxXDamnationXxx 1 year ago
this is the most creative work that I've seen in a while... brilliant execution and just watching all this is so beautiful. That is, if you have an open mind..
zollman90 1 year ago
マジでカッコイイ！！たまらん！！！
47830819 1 year ago
これこそ現代Ｒｏｃｋ！！！
47830819 1 year ago
本当にスゴイし最高だと思う！！！
天国のヴァレーズも聴いてると思う！！
47830819 1 year ago
what a crap...
adriancunanan 1 year ago
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sogabehidekazu 1 year ago
This noise is beyond good and bad, so you can't rate this "music" if you don't get it actually or even think about it . The point is, you have to understand what he's trying to transmit with it. He's an allrounder.
I heard loads of bands/projects in that kind of so i can gladly say that he's doing great stuff btw. It's not even NOISE just for you "Uneasy listening"
Runatysik 2 years ago 2
It truly seems to me that even the people who fucking LOVE Yoshihide: most of them hardly even can get a grasp on how good he really is. He is so good that even his appearance is even good on a superficial level. All I mean to say is this cat is reALLLYY FUCKIN GOOOOODD. HEAVEN!
Heltir 2 years ago
なんかいいな
なにかを表現してるな
Unravel100 2 years ago
i saw him yesterday... i'd not give him my guitar ever in my life xDDDD
pordiosero80 2 years ago 2
hahahaha...i guess..."it" is an artist?
hahahaha holy shit!
sseguro 2 years ago
NUM8ANDY and outled are a bunch of faggots,i can feel it in my bones...their faggotry.
now that im in the deep discussion,shall we discuss pogs?
alucardisdumb 2 years ago
I love the way he gets into it. Awesome!
gsogoz 2 years ago 3
this is bad ass
encoded0 2 years ago 3
Excellent playing, thanks for the vid
tshhtf 2 years ago
This guy just blows me away, where does music like this take place?
jeffbeck147087 2 years ago 3
all over the place. possibly in your city as well.
senselessstudios 2 years ago 2
@jeffbeck147087 Music? lol
1Ice1 2 years ago 3
@jeffbeck147087
your head
doodalseenpier 2 years ago
Nice!!!
Petfal 2 years ago
some of the parameters of this piece are..
the guitar, the tuning, the effects (possibly harmonizer?) the physicality of attack.
there is sometimes a verticality in terms of seperation of registers.. the open sound of the guitar vs the higher almost altissimo-like screaming .. and obvious overtone series manipulation.
there is order in this piece.. there are a limited number of compositional devices he's working with here. the result may be unpleasing to your ear but there is method in this.
freejazzfree 2 years ago 2
sound is the basis of music. just because we've imposed order on sound doesnt make it any more or less appealing. essentially music is the conduit to the experience of sound.
and thats besides the point.. there is order and composition in this clip. just because it isnt fixed to a 12 tone tempered grid doesnt make it any less or more musical. interpretation and appreciation is subjective and very individualistic. this is very much music.
freejazzfree 2 years ago 2
sound is not bound by something like language.
it is much more anomalous in nature.
it does not require syntax or associations to be understood. a sound is a sound regardless of its associations or context.
beauty is an affirmation of being..
the excellence/essence of truth and originality.
freejazzfree 2 years ago 2
I guess we're talking about two different perspectives. You're right. Sound only has physical parameters (frequency, amplitude, volume, etc.) and does not require syntax or context. Of course there is beauty in sound. But music must have parameters/rules/order so that it can be interpreted by the listener, same as language. Otherwise everyone's "interpretation" will be different and not what the "musician" wants to convey. You are talking about sound, I am talking about music.This is not music.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
@NUM8ANDY you keep clinging to the notion that meaning exists let alone can be transferable :D
outled 2 years ago
@outled If you believe nothing has meaning, you must lead an entirely vacuous existence. I really pity you. But then, if nothing has meaning, then the notion of "opinion" can't exist either. And you've just expressed an opinion. I suggest moving on to Chapter 2 of your "Philosophy for Dummies" book before trying to come across as a deep-thinker. You've just posted yet another example of the kind of bullshit rhetoric that "freeform" art attracts.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
num8andy i meet your kind all the time, so you think opinion=meaning. Wow you do have a god complex. I mean it actually seems to frighten you that people can absorb that which is culturally abstract, man i hate the term deepthinker, now that really is a term only idiots use. Your sequential assessment shows more of your negative space than your substance which is your own internal monologue. I hope you can realise how blissful the futility is before your pride totally usurps you. thank you.
outled 2 years ago
@outled My "kind"? Who has the "god complex" here!? Who of the two of us is oppressing the other with bombastic rhetoric and sheer ad hominem, patronising bullshit! My "sequential assessment" is what makes me human. By definition, you must be cursed by your own "internal monologue" if you don't accept "meaning" as an external influence. Futiliy of what? What has "pride" to do with it? You're spouting utter shit and you continue to show your vacuous life with your vacuous statements. I pity you.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
lol look at you fail.
Questpeace 2 years ago
And look at you suck up now that the big boys have had their fight, you snivelling little creep. Fail? I'm tired of justifying myself to that utter twat outled. By "inviting" me to have the last word to "seal" my failure just highlights his need to divert attention from his entire lack of basis for argument and abstract ramblings. I'm better than to respond to his goading. You on the other hand, are just a total dick.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
@outled Oh, and if nothing has meaning, why would you use " :D " to emote your post. Were you trying to "transfer" meaning to me using a generally accepted method? LMAO!! (There's another one)
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
binary sequential num8andy getting his knickers in a twist because i claim there is no meaning, instantly claims i am vacuous and an idiot. What fear based kneejerking, what programmed diagnostics, what a tit. Even if you dont agree, to entertain a different notion should be stimulating not stereotyping, but alas youve fallen at the first. goodbibe. oh and :) doesnt really mean a damn thing does it neither does this or you or me so calm thy little petals my delicate wide eyed flower xxxx lol
outled 2 years ago
@outled I love being considered a wide-eyed flower - accepting and growing in my environment and being taken where the wind takes me! My "progamming" is only a desire to understand. I never said you were an idiot? You are however, quite a pathetic figure with a superiority complex like I've rarely seen outside this Comments board. If :) doesn't mean a damn thing, why use it? You have no basis for your argument so you revert to playground mentality. I pity you.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
oh my gosh its all the fun of the fayre with you. Well i revel in it my friend, idiocracy or not, your well considered objectivity should hence forth be exalted. Your mirrored fortress is a sight to behold but enough ramming of horns. I'm not here to convert like your good self, i will stay floating in my hopeless vacuum of subsistance and dream of attaining your level of acceptance. I'm quite sure you would like the last word now, please be my guest.
outled 2 years ago
there is order in sound. there is order outside the parameters of our chosen methods of 'control'. order is all pervasive. just because we impose an 'order' on sound it doesnt mean sound has its own. and even in this case with otomo... there is clearly order in terms of physical execution, his choice of sound generation and even timbral/tonal areas.
the thing is.. breaking this down in such an intellectual manner is funny.. because the visceral appeal of this music is the key.
freejazzfree 2 years ago
roll over beethoven!
joehillhere 2 years ago 2
oh shit
epic
soundomaso 2 years ago
He is intending a new direction.
takeoutyuki 2 years ago
Alright, who let the crazy homless guy on stage?
iutri 2 years ago 2
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i dont know if this is a joke or not
pelhayek 2 years ago
this guy makes what i do seem normal or familiar ^^
aviatoreyes 2 years ago 8
That for sharing, I knew yoshide's name but had never heard him. Nice video
trojanlol 2 years ago 3
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The Emperor's new clothes!
jeperstone 2 years ago
Qué boludés, por dios. Hermano, a mi me gustan algunas cosas raras, pero esto se fue de escala.
guscir 3 years ago
Is that G string a bit flat?
FENDIN10 3 years ago 3
How in the name of fuck does he do this!It's awesome
JamieBarnes11 3 years ago
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1)Take a cheap guitar. Hack most of the wood from the body to show your anarchic personality. Don't worry about tonal quality for this.
2)Take a solid-state amp (IMPORTANT: Not a valve amp as this might give some nice warm feedback), turn volume and gain knobs to maximum.
3)Use a distortion pedal, (hey maybe even two!) to supply even more distorted signal to the amp.
4)Rub a metal object against the strings over the pickups while facing the amp for maximum feedback.
5)Kill Yourself. Please.
NUM8ANDY 3 years ago
why are you here if you hate it?
findingusernamesucks 3 years ago 4
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Because I'm a guitarist and I enjoy watching all the talented amateurs on here as much as my famous heroes. I love music and I love the guitar. It annoys me that this guy and others like Derek Bailey can command audiences (and probably a great deal of money) playing random, offensive noise to people who think they are intellectually superior to those who "don't understand" it, when in fact they are too weak to question it for fear of looking stupid themselves. Emperor's New Clothes...
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
Otomo Yoshihide did not get famous doing things like this so much as he got famous doing things like his New Jazz Orchestra or whatever it's called which is a whole lot more organized and he composed stuff for that I'm sure he's a totally legitamite musician. As for Derek Bailey, I prefer it when musicians do both experimental/atonal work along with tonal work to show all sides of their musicianship but Derek brought the guitar a new vocab so he's totally legit.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Derek Bailey was an accomplished working big band guitar player before he went all far out on us and beat out the guitar free improv trail. He just got bored doing what he was doing and he said in an interview on youtube that the biggest appeal was being able to play with anyone he wanted. If you are truly a musician like you say you should find that totally inspiring at least that part.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Now as for the pretensions involved with the avant-garde fanbase thinking they are smarter than everyone else, I can't speak for everyone (but neither can you) but I know that among me and my friends it was somewhat of a learning process and that we hated noise at first too. I don't think that it's an intelligence thing but it certainly is a learning thing. By all means though hate it, you have a right to do anything, but don't do it here because we aren't all like the egos you speak of.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
p.s. it does however make you look stupid when you assume that we all are full of ourselves . . . some people just like weird off-center sounding instrumental work.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Also, not in the case of Otomo since he mostly uses feedback (which gets boring after a while but like I said New Jazz Orchestra, he does stuff with Jun Togawa who I love) but in Derek Bailey's case he had to know how to play the guitar to do what he does because he never repeats himself. He may not be the fastest or the loudest or the best but he can play his instrument and instead of wanking off to how good he is like some of the great rock guitarists of the 70s and 80s he makes music.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I hope nothing I said offended you it's not the intent it's just that like Yehudi Menuhin said to Glenn Gould on a video where they played Schoenberg's Fantasie he said something along the lines of despite his ill feelings towards the music of Schoenberg he was somehow able to enjoy what they were doing because he learned from Gould and the main point he made was that he always thought that someone who enjoys a certain type of music innevitably understands it better than someone who doesn't.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I'm kinda replying to all of your posts (500 characters not enough sometimes huh!):
THANK YOU! For taking the time to explain all this as a genuine fan and not in a condescending or patronizing way. I still stand by my opinion that some of the other "fans" of this art-form are "full of themselves" in the way they respond and reply on here. But what would really change my opinion here is to see Bailey, Otomo, et al playing their instruments in the "normal" way, to prove they can. Got anything?
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
Well I mentioned New Jazz Orchestra already. Some of it is still free Jazz but I know that that Jun Togawa song is pretty normal since they're backing a pop star and I'm sure they have others like it. I'm pretty new to Derek Bailey but I'm sure you can find a discography of his somewhere that lists the albums he played straight on as a sessions guy, if any exist. I was just saying that Bailey performed as a big band guitar that's all I know.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I forgot also that Otomo Yoshihide has performed with another pop star and Jim O'Rourke idk where it is but there was some video here on youtube and he was playing straight in that. Plus, Otomo is a turntabilist too and we all know that while that is still noises it takes major precision to pull off which is just what playing an instrument is anyway.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Also, I'll tell you what I told someone on a different Yoshihide video (though in a nicer way since you've been nicer) I don't think it really matters that he's playing the guitar. It seems to matter to you that this music is being played on the guitar and I don't think it matters. The guitar is an instrument just like any other and guitarists tend to put it on a pedastel, that's as annoying to me as pretentious noise fans are to you. 500 Characters is never enough for me, haha.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago 14
@findingusernamesucks clever!
suiseisekiryu 1 year ago
A song called Dreams with the New Jazz Ensemble is the specific song that I mentioned from Yoshihide. His guitar playing is simple but the point is he is the band leader and I suppose the composer.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
"At the end of the 1990s he founded Ōtomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Ensemble, a group that played more traditional jazz (albeit with added sine waves from Sachiko M and noisy passages), which released Flutter and Dreams on the Tzadik label. In Japan, a more consistent lineup of the group, using the name Ōtomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet . . ."
-wikipedia
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
num8andy
the ratio to posts from ignorant assholes claiming these people dont know how to play music to those from 'fans who are full of themselves' is much higher in respect to the former.
why shoud any of these people need to play their instruments in a 'normal' way? otomo's music is more concernedd with sound generation than it is with the imposition of intellectual concepts and bailey is exposing the tonal possibilities of the guitar. its not part of their mission. like it or hate it.
freejazzfree 2 years ago 4
btw.. what i mean by tonal possiblities is actually a much more of an intellectual proposition for bailey and dare i say 'conventional' in comparison to otomo's guitar playing.
if yer to listen to bailey's standards album and read some info on him.. you'd see that he's coming from a pre-bop continium of jazz combined with post serialism. so essentially he's experimenting with the tonal or atonal potential of the guitar.. also in relation to harmonics and behind the bridge/nut sounds as well.
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NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
Did you like my "free improvised " text earlier? Would you read a whole book written like that? Why should I be bound by rules of language and use skill to make it beautiful? Does that make one an ignorant asshole?
Shall I translate it? It's an extract from "The Emperor's New Clothes" about those too scared to look stupid by questioning what is clearly wrong.
Music is an art, a language that has rules if we are to communicate it and understand its beauty. Music without order is just noise.
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
you are clearly confused.
if you dont like what you hear... theres no point in debating this.
text is symbolic.. sound is not symbolic. music does not have any general or absolute rules. in order to achieve a specific effect one needs to understand the form of a particular idiom. not everyone wants to paint by numbers though.
nothing is wrong here.
everyone is attuned to different vibrations in different ways.
your absolutism is ridiculous and fascistic.
freejazzfree 2 years ago
"Take a cheap guitar. Hack most of the wood from the body to show your anarchic personality. Don't worry about tonal quality for this"
Surely you can see that he is using a homemade guitar. It's not just been hacked away at, he's using thick springs and magnetism to generate tone.
starcorea 2 years ago 3
If you mean strings and magnetism, isn't that what an electric guitar does anyway? Nothing pioneering there. If he uses thicker strings it's because he's not that reliant on string-bends, is he! Plus the thicker strings will take the abuse he gives them.
It might well be a homemade guitar. Who cares. It could be a piece of 2 x 4 marine ply with a pickup on it for all the requirement of tone, timbre and sustain he needs. But I'm learning now that that's not the point anyway...
NUM8ANDY 2 years ago
I was referring to the thick coils that he was using just above his strings. He plays them as well as the traditional strings. Also, I think that you're missing the point slightly; it is about tone, perhaps you just don't like the sound of it.
starcorea 2 years ago 3
turns out you can't read
timdrage 2 years ago
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Ah yes he has to adjust his amp. I guess he wasn't getting the right quality of shit out of his guitar. Now it sounds so much better.
GordonCSA 3 years ago
I love Otomo but this really made me laugh
conchettas 3 years ago 2
again why are you here if you hate it but also it did change the sound to make a nice clean feedback noise for a moment either you're deaf or dumb but gtfo if you're just gonna blab about shit
findingusernamesucks 3 years ago
gorgeous. mottomo otomo おねがいします！
coolmodf 3 years ago
HOW!?
mytoeismissindarnit 3 years ago
and that is how the meat gets onto your mcdonalds hamburger
nelly5721 3 years ago 3
well...this sounds like a banshee getting raped by a mutilated pig with AIDS
instantprincewhippit 3 years ago 2
And that's a good thing =D
Great solo... love most of these comments too =D
Shalud 3 years ago 2
It sounds like hes hitting kittens with his guitar
wtf?
dude018219293 3 years ago
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xfunereal 3 years ago
This reminds me of Edgar Varese!
Awesome stuff.
apollodesign 3 years ago
I think he forgot to pack his tuner to this gig.
jdeertick 3 years ago
Sounds like my local guitar center.
poploser555 3 years ago
hahahaha
dude018219293 3 years ago
It's no wonder he kept his coat on. I can't believe he wasn't chased outside and lynched!
I've watched some Derek Bailey clips and thought it couldn't get any worse. It has.
Like speaking in tongues, my friends - the more you believe it, the more the evil weirdos get away with it...
CliffyByr0 3 years ago
sometimes this guy sounds like albert ayler , is really great i never heard someone play the guitar in that way , it's really cool
siangets 3 years ago
I think he doesen't know what a guitar is made for.
Y0pbe 3 years ago
He knows quite well what the guitar is made for Sparky. Try it some time.
MKULTRA63 3 years ago
I love it - but I would definitely bring earplugs! I hope Otomo was wearing some too...
knucmo 3 years ago
he sure dont play guitarhero;)
greatgreat OTOMO!!!
djladro 3 years ago 3
this definately wins my wtf of the day award
rbj1313 3 years ago 2
it's all about deliverance at the time of performing an instrument. Art. it speaks for itself... Sound.
which basically means: more listening less talking.
sit down nicely & quietly and let a great artist shape a piece of art for you to appreciate!
tofuCKYOU 3 years ago
In the same way as the "art" that was made by a troupe of chimpanzees was appreciated and critically acclaimed by a whole bunch of art critics until they were made to look stupid when told of its origin, you arrogant, pretentious twat!
CliffyByr0 3 years ago
Art is the perogative of the artist.
Go play with your dolls and comic books dipshit.
MKULTRA63 3 years ago
LOL! An informed and articulate art critic! You must have been to one of my "Barbie meets Captain America" progressive dance shows. Hope you enjoyed it.
It might be the artist's perogative, but isn't it mine to challenge something I disagree with? I'm sure you enjoy painting with human faeces and photographs of landmine victims too...
CliffyByr0 3 years ago
I am working on a series of paintings using goat entrails. I find that I have much more control over shadow detail than I would using doo doo.
Art if the perogative of the artist.
Go play with your dolls and comic books dipshit.
MKULTRA63 3 years ago
Visual/literal representation of the "music" you enjoy. Nice touch.
Oh, and repetition is the perogative of those with a weak arguement. Or Autism.
CliffyByr0 3 years ago
No one called it music, Einstein. It is a performance. Those who can do. Those who cannot criticize or teach.Art is the perogative of the artist.
MKULTRA63 3 years ago
That was differnt. Though I did kind of enjoy it...which is strange. He's very good at what he does.
thegreyfox 3 years ago
strange stuff...
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danielhl22 3 years ago
difficult is life this is piece of cake un pedazo de pastel camarada
danielhl22 3 years ago