John Howard was a fucking bastard, who changed a lot of laws in favor of the the big companies, in the process ruining a lot of people's life's, and now this retard Tony Abbott wants to continue making changes to things that you and I have always been entitled, I honestly don't know what is wrong with people this days, because they seem to be blind to all of this
What the fuck were Australians smoking when they voted in another labor government? Well, thank you for contributing greatly to the ass-fucking our country has taken over the past three years. I can not believe some of you dumb cunts are still thrashing Howard. Please go and educate yourselves. And thanks again! Looking forward to the $2 a liter of petrol next year. Looking forward to the one world government, and the price of everything is rising dramatically? Nice! Thanks labor voters!
@nobodygetsmyusername Not everyone. Some people don't like either party which is fair enough. One problem with the 07 election was that not everyone who voted Labor ncessarily did it because they wanted Rudd to win. It was more of a case where they just wanted Howard out.
wowwww gettin a bit defensive there buddy, shows me your taking offense.It's not my fault your fucken overpopulated country has shit human and animal rights you cat eating sling eyed fuck, go farm me some rice you dumb yellow slave
To conclude: The country needs Asians because too many kids are brought up stupid. Chinese culture has some impressive features that people ought to pick up: parents taking interest in their kids education explicitly.
As someone who has grown up with openly racist parents, I've often heard complaints about all the Asian doctors. Racism or not, would you rather have an asian doctor who knows his stuff or either no doctors at all or a doctor that spins a wheel to determine what medicine to give.
@Krazed2Kraze I agree that growing ignorance and under-education is a problem in Australia (largely due to degradent American influenced 'culture'), bringing in hoardes of Asian immigrants is merely a quick cheap solution to an ever greater social issue. The current Labor government doesn't want to take responsibility for these issues so they use the quick fix solution of immigrants. We need to be working towards strenthening the AUSTRALIAN community and helping OUR next generation do well.
Aussie Polyticks: FACT: It stems from the dead bower of an English Garden Way. FACT: A small Nation hardly needs to be divided and fought over by Overgrown Old School Bullease & Prefects. FACkT: John Howard was the Best Prime Minister Ever, apart from all the others. KhOOOL!
We need howard back, he was the best PM we've had. Rudd and the ranga let all the boats in, while howard told em to fuck off, and its true about asians... tomorrow when your out, count how many u walk past, then compare with the amount of aussis u see. May as well call our fucking country china...
@smithiy69 What's wrong with Asians? I'm Aussie, anglo-saxon, since it seems to matter so terribly much to you, and ~50% of my friends are Asian. Why? Because white people are fucking stupid. Even as I was in school, the distinguishment was there in black and white, white kids did nothing, about 75% just partied and did drugs, while all asians had a solid work ethic, as well as being far more civilised.
People bitch about education systems, when an Asian works hard, they scorn them. Retards.
AussiePolitics, i mean, conservative deadshit. FACT: Work for the dole covers up true unemployment figures. FACT: Workchoices stripped away basic workers rights and conditions. Resulting in your little desiccated coconut friend losing his seat. I think its time you got over it! LOOOOL!
@EnarPilrith stupid cunt if you're going make a comment having a go to be have the balls to actually REPLY TO ME. first of all I am not a conservative deadshit, i liked the hawke and keating government. just because i understand a good economic policy does not make me a party hack you fool.
do you know what workchoices did? FACT: unemployment went DOWN, DISMISSALS went to a 20 year LOW, and AVERAGE WAGES WENT UP.
Religious politics involve forcing religious law on people who don't follow them.
Social conservatism is something from old men who are afraid of change and have this idiotic idea that in the 1950s, everything was perfect, it sets back social development as a result.
And as a FYI, Jesus was a socialist, he told people to share their wealth and pay taxes. Rather than the me me me selfish conservative culture.
@cerelilqt im an atheist but i know enough about religion to know that jesus wasn't a socialist. there is a difference between people GIVING money to the poor of their own free will because it is right and the government socialising wealth and using the threat of force to take it from some people to give to others.
Tony , uh, Abbot is a raving, uh, nutter - he's a fanatic neo-liberal , uh, extremist - a fascist even - he's as crazy as, uh, Hitler - if the Mad Monk becomes PM , uh, we are all in , uh deep deep , uh, shit!
Another war crime is white washed by America, the nicest smelling army lol
Court dismisses murder conviction of Calif. Marine Sgt. Larry Hutchins.
A military appeals court Thursday threw out the murder conviction of Sgt. Larry Hutchins serving 11 years in connection with the 2006 kidnapping and murder of a 52 year old civilian.
There is no doubt that some workers did well from AWAs. People in the mining sector did very well and there are many others. Market wages in those industries are much higher than the Award. However, lots of people did a lot worse, such as employees in the retail, hospitality and security industries.
WorkChoices allowed businesses to offer employment agreements such as AWAs and non-union collective agreements that took away Award entitlements such as penalty rates, overtime, etc and they didn't need to provide a higher rate to compensate them for it. Just the minimum wage and the 5 employment standards were required. The Fairness Test tried to stop that. However, for new employers (post WC), they weren't required to pay Award conditions or provide compensation (even after the Fairness Test).
WorkChoices was introduced because the Coalition won control of the Senate in 2004 and it was an opportunity to go beyond the 1996 reforms. They negotiated the 1996 reforms with the Australian Democrats. WorkChoices was an attempt to make the Award system irrelevant, make small AND MEDIUM sized businesses exempt from unfair dismissal, increase regulation of union activity and to encourage enterprise based agreements, especailly AWAs.
also its not about wanting to have it both ways, its just how it works, employers did what suits them under Howards I R laws in most cases without considering what was ethical or fare as they tend to have too many things going on in their business & their own lives to worry about much else hence why employees need protection.
e.g. an employee working full time 38 hrs may get more money but this is because they are working many more hrs and often late at night and weekends. The other employee who was working a 38 hr week would work 15 hrs with a bit more pay per hr but all over the place including nights weekends etc
In other words if you get retrenched from a fulltime job with a decent wage & then get a shitty job with far less hrs and crappy wage because centerlink forces you to take any job under Howard earning less than the dole in some cases, instead of something suitable, then people are more likely to commit robbery or sell drugs to feed their family & pay their mortgege.
if so many people were working so few hours then why did wages go up? i doubt it was because employers started paying employees 3-4x their normal hourly rates.
all you have is a load of conjecture and labor propaganda. you keep on making things up to justify your points and changing your story. the fact of the matter is that wages went up after workchoices and unemployment went down. now find me proof of how workchoices was detrimental or dont bother replying.
As if the majority of employers wouldn't tell you to work longer hrs if it meant no overtime pay and no penalty rates and threaten to cut your hrs big time or get someone else to work for them instead, regardless of whether or not you had kids to pick up from school or were also studying a course at Uni etc
Andrew Wilkie a former soldier and intelligence analyst resigned from an Australian intelligence agency, in March 2003 over lies by Prime Minister Howard that Saddam possessed WMDs.
It is beyond depute Howard is a liar and guilty of an illegal war.
how was howard a racist prick? immigration from asian countries under howard was the highest it had ever been under any prime minister. now this is just a hunch but if i was a racist and in control of immigration i wouldn't increase the number of people from different races coming here.
obama is a fucking idiot and is just bush in a different shade. iraq war continues, gitmo still open, he's ordering kills on people and america owes trillions of dollars to china. america is fucked.
@AussiePolitics So I could get rid of u without giving a reason or notice, who cares if u have a family to feed right ? Your contract now is weekends, late night shifts, double shifts in one day etc without extra pay, who needs to see their kids anyway ? do you really think young people or parents in low skilled jobs are goin to get a fair deal by siggning an A W A one on one with the employer rather than collectively ?
Did the Labor voters really want open borders run by economic people smugglers and high debt with all of the burrowed cash and deficits with China and Asia and Russia? You see I can understand why some Green voters would vote Green because their stupid and want this shit,but what I cant understand is the Australian losers and fat overweight single mums and dolebludgers who all claim their true blue Aussies when they voted for Rudd,was Rudd really believable? Has Rudd delivered anything?
stuff Rudd for turning this country into a 3rd world ghetto of African and Middle Eastern losers,all this 3rd world shit coming in to this country,and bankrupting the country we'll be foreever indebted to China and perish when the Asian army's land in the topend while the drunken Abos are pissin up all of Howards surplus
Andrew Wilkie a former soldier and intelligence analyst who resigned from an Australian intelligence agency, in March 2003 over lies that Saddam possessed WMDs. We now know that he was right.
kevin rudd said that it was beyond doubt that saddam had WMDs when he was labor's shadow foreign affairs minister. so apparently when its rudd he's misinformed but when its howard he's a liar right? you're nothing but a hypocrite.
fuck off john howard introduced the piss weak immigration laws hence why all the gangs started in the early 90s
we need to bring extradition into the penaltys for poeple who arent of australian herritage eg the lebanese anyone who uses a weapon in a fight should be sent back to ruin their own country not australia
@mrtranswiser Howard signed the refugee quota, so why do that & then treat them much worse than crininals when they seek asylum for their kids instead of waiting a year which would mean certain death. The U N was in his ear & it was all going to ocme out so he finaly made some changes & work cover inspectors needed councelling afterwards, that's how bad it was.
@mrtranswiser U r given a number, not told how long or anything at all. Those rioters were about 15 people out of 1000 who weren't meant to be in the same place as they were criminals Peop in detention centres were never let out until the changes happend or, maybe after 10 yrs, hence all kinds of mental ilness wheh they get out & opinion of Austrians shatted. think that keeps us safe ?
@mrtranswiser Anyway the navy intercepts the boats & they don't jump the qcue at all, from overcrowded chrismas island to the mainland means from one detention on christmas island to another detention centre on the mainland.The British came by boat too & took over by force so who are the real Australians ? hmm.
and when Pauline Hanson was getting all the media attention about being a racist that just made her a martyr in the eyes of millions of australians who believed that their politicians had betrayed them. do you know what would have been the result of howard condemning hanson? it would have been front page news across the nation - more free coverage for hanson and her racist views.
@AussiePolitics Howard came to power when our economy was in the growth stage & doing well and China was beginning to boom. Under Howard we had one of the highest tax systems including tarriffs in the world, we certainly didn't need the G S T (extra 10%) or for the government to stop contributing to the funds for universities & decrease funds for public school.
@AussiePolitics Yes Howard may have let many people into Australia but mainly because of the skills shortage here & they work harder than most of us Ausies lol but then they have to do their qualifications here again anyway in many cases and charged through the roof for their courses while working 12 hrs a day getting paid $10 an hr in a shitty job that most locals won't do.
@AussiePolitics There isn't enough competition here e.g. monopolised supermarkets and petrol stations, small population & people are prepared to pay more for the latest in technology or new products hence clever marketing, the reserve bank is full of shit as land lords just put their prices up anyway when interest rates rise.
after the worst recession since the second world war and an extremely weak economy that howard took over, it would have been impossible for the economy to go anywhere but up from there. what needed good management was ensuring that the economy stayed strong for a decade. the mining boom only took off towards the end of howards time in power and as the state labor governments have shown you still have to manage effectively - nsw and qld labor for example.
yet again its obvious that most of the labor supporters have no understanding of economics, but then if they did they wouldn't be supporting people in the first place.
the reserve bank's primary job is to control inflation. if inflation goes to high it undermines the entire australian economy and scares off investment as it means money is losing its value. if you think inflation is not a problem then it is obvious you do not understand economics at all.
@AussiePolitics so why is it that the cost of living has not been effected regardless of inflation as it just keeps increasing. Of course the minors are going to want the A W A as they have lots of bargaining power because they are so needed ! They have always been paid a shit load of money.
@AussiePolitics It's across the bored dude, my cousin worked for the fare work ombedsman as one of the investigators for the fairness test which was only investigated after rudd took power. Howard lost the election mainly due to his unfair I R laws, do you really think that would have happended if it was mainly minors on A W A's who actually prefered them ? lol
@AussiePolitics Also as if the majority of organisations wouldn't want to put there employees on new contracts when they knew there would be more flexibility/profit for the employer and less basic rights & money for the employee. Yes wages has some effect on the cost of living but not compared with several other factors.
@AussiePolitics The minimum wage was lower under Howard. The fact is that under work/"employer" choices the most vulnerable people were not protected e.g. fired for no reason, workers not allowed to strike for better conditions or join the union for protection etc (can you imagine how intimidating it would be for a worker in a factory or at Pizza Hut etc to try to bargain with their employer alone ?
@AussiePolitics Sure there's some effect but I don't believe inflation & interest rates have as much effect on our cost of living as the R B a makes out hence competition, wall street/shareholders, monoplolies, increased advertising, increased materialism etc The economy is cyclical.
"Howard lost the election mainly due to his unfair I R laws"
no, he lost it because the unions ran a scare campaign because they wanted to keep their money and members. only a tiny percentage of people were on workchoices and almost all of them were miners. after workchoices was implemeneted wages went UP and unemployment went DOWN. that is PROOF it was a good thing.
"Yes wages has some effect on the cost of living but not compared with several other factor"
Well DUH - of course there are other factors at play in the economy, but raising wages across the board creates inflation because it raises the cost of EVERYTHING.
the recession in the early 80s was caused by the unions forcing wage increases across all industries in the economy which was massively increased inflation.
@AussiePolitics and no it was allot more than mainly the mining industry with work choices, e.g. call centres, retail, factories, warehouses, banks etc That fareness test was only implemented after Howard was gone and many employers had to pay employees back as they screwed them big time. Howard only did that near the election because of the massive pressure put on him regarding work choices.
that's just pathetic. the level of immigration is proof howard was not a racist. if he was more concerned with race he would have lowered asian immigration. oh and the unis have always charged foreign students more REGARDLESS OF RACE, because aussie students are subsidized by the government.
@AussiePolitics If they didn't sign the new contract that the employer devised they were out the door & had less rights. Do you know how many employers made perm staff casuals and changed the contract ? How is this ethical ? If more people were employed this is because they lost their job they had done for many yrs without notice & doing a casual part time cleaning job with minimum wage while paying off a mortgage & kids to feed or hrs had been cut to part- time or casual etc
inflation and interest rates are linked - the RBA raises interest rates so people spent more money on their repayments and less on consumer items which brings inflation down. if you do not have an inflationary target then it would be like going back to the messed up aussie economy of the 70s and 80s. high inflation has two negative effects: it undermines the value of the dollar as it loses value, and it undermines confidence in the australian economy, weakening us and investment.
@AussiePolitics There was something wrong with our economy if we kept needing the R B A to intervene, its called government not spending money where its needed e.g. hospitals, schools, roads, transport, agecare etc simply to preach "a good economy" as they didn't do anything else for Australia and left a lot of shit for Rudd to fix.
at least you've stopped trying to lie and realized that the vast majority of the jobs were only in the mining sector where people were better off.
i never said every single person was better off under workchoices, but it is a FACT that wages went up and unemployment went down so they were a good thing for the vast majority. there is no IR system that does not have its flaws - there are already a fair few sob stories about rudds current system.
@AussiePolitics You are missing the point, I'm saying if the R B A kept having to intervene so regularly under Howard then something wasn't quite right.
If A W A's are so good then why did zero polititions under the Howard government go on one ! hmmm
yep, and thats the reason the economy was screwed over last time labor was in - they implement so many "fair" workplace laws that they're afraid to hire anyone new and as a result the economy stagnates and people stay on the dole. but hey, so long as its fair when they never get the job right? the statistics are all against you unemployment went down and wages went up. but hey if the facts dont prove your point why not make up an emotive argument?
" There was something wrong with our economy if we kept needing the R B A to intervene"
do you have any clue at all? both labor and liberal governments recognise that setting inflationary targets is the ONLY way for the economy to remain stable and promote investment. the worst recessions in our history occurred when inflation went out of control. the RBA was created by the government to put downward pressure on interest rates. that is its purpose.
@AussiePolitics Nobody has ever forced anybody to join the Union, it has been an option, do you even work ? Yes there is a tiny fee if you want to join e.g. about $5 per fortnight in retail at the time which is fair enough.
@AussiePolitics Do you really think small businesses enjoy the award or enterprise agreement (collective bargained agreement) wages, regualatioins, paperwork & penalty rates etc rather than a 2 page document with practically whatever the employer wants want ? Even most large businesses would prefer their employees to be on an A W A as it benefitws the employer more than the emplyee. You've gota be smarter than that !
you're really making the claim there were no strikes under howard except government transport? LMAO you just completely lost all credibility mate. there were many strikes under howards - tell me when howard passed a law making strikes illegal. you wont find it because NO SUCH LAW EXISTS.
@AussiePolitics i didn't say "under Howard", I said under Howard after his I R laws took affect, read my posts properly, no Howard didn't pass the law that strikes were illegal as he didn't need to because this was in the new A W A contracts and bosses would get rid of employees who joined a union if the union had any power at all in that industry, but one thing Howard did do was pass a law that employees didn't need to be paid while on strike.
@AussiePolitics I know inflation does not stay exactly the same but if the government is not spending money (less on hospitals, education & transport) then the so called strong economy is a total farse.Yes theres paperwork in the awards and enterprise agreement but who said running a business would be easy ?
obviously running a business is not easy but when labor is in power they make it virtually impossible. labor's "fair" IR legislation just creates recessions because bosses are too afraid to hire anyone. tell me, how willing would you be to hire someone new for your company if you knew labor's legislation was going to make it a pain in the ass to fire them if they didnt turn out to be suitable? labor's laws mean thousands of people never get a chance at finding a job.
@AussiePolitics Taking the easy way out and denying employees of their basic rights is simply unethical. Under Howard the workforce became much more casualised/less hours than under the Keating & Halk governments making the unemployment rate look lower than it really was.
actually howard spent more money on health than any other federal government in australian history. the difference is that he actually MANAGED the money well, unlike all the state labor governments who were billions of dollars in debt. its a balancing act - sure you can go spend billions of dollars on huge spending initiatives but in the end that just hurts people when inflation goes way up.
the welfare agencies have ALWAYS tried to get people jobs. thats their purpose.
lmao the only reason we came out of the GFC so strongly is because of the strength of the australian economy that HOWARD left rudd and confidence in our economic institutions, another product of us having a strong economy.
these are the things the liberals do, but they get hated by people like you because they dont go around wasting billions like labor.
@AussiePolitics Enough about Howard, Abbot doesn't stand a chance in the election against Rudd hehe and I think Guilard will be Prime Minister in the election after Rudd wins the one coming up.
Howard loved blaming the state governments but the liberal states had shitty health care as well
really? care to name them? what you can't? could it be because for the majority of howards time in parliament every single state was run by LABOR. do you think its little wonder why so many people think the states are so shitty they want to abolish them?
you have no proof that workchoices resulted in people being put on 5 hours a week. what there is proof for is WAGES GOING UP which contradicts this
inflation does not stay stay exactly the same all the time - thats the job of the RBA to balance inflation while not causing a recession. under labor interest rates went up in excess of 17% - thats what happenes when a government doesnt know how to spend money and has to lower inflation by punishing homeowners.
"Under Howard the workforce became much more casualised/less hours than under the Keating"
and your proof for this is?
under hawke and keating we experienced the worst recession in decades - now that hurts employees.
you're not even being logical about it. if i went up to anyone on the street and asked would they support a law that LOWERED unemployment and brought UP wages then I'm pretty sure 90% of people would be in favour of it. if people were working so few hours why did wages go up?
for the past 60 years or so there's been a trade imbalance, and that holds true for the rest of the world who buy most of their crap from china. the expense of some items grow at a greater rate than inflation, and the expense of others at the same or less. house prices in just two years under hawke between 87-89 increased by 56% and over that time interest rates were in excess of 17%. now that is an increase far higher thaninflation.
first of all only a tiny % of the workers were ever on the 2005 workchoice legislation. second of all it was OVERWHELMINGLY taken up by the miners who got paid MORE. that is a load of shit that it was used that much across the australian workfore.
@AussiePolitics Why the hell does our cost of living keep increasing at a faster rate regardless of how strong our dollar is if inflation is such a huge issue ! We import more than we export anyway.
"so why is it that the cost of living has not been effected regardless of inflation as it just keeps increasing"
WTF??? that is the most incredibly stupid comment I have heard in my life. I cannot even by bothered replying to someone who has no understanding of the most fundamental principles of economics.
No it wasn't. the last coalition government did not lower the minimum wage - it always goes up each year (last year being the exception because of the GFC) the reason the majority of people who went on workchoices were miners is because they knew they've be better off negotiating. YOU DID NOT HAVE TO GET A WORKCHOICE AGREEMENT and there was NOTHING stopping someone from joining a union.
"If they didn't sign the new contract that the employer devised they were out the door & had less rights"
Now you're just buying into the bullshit union campaign. people were not forced to sign the agreement - you can see it by the fact that HARDLY ANYONE SIGNED ONE OUTSIDE OF THE MINING SECTOR.
@AussiePolitics You obviously don't know people who are in the "vulnerable" category or have heard about their situation, H P M, Pizza Hut Teletech are good examples of organisations which put new workers on A W A's and H P M for one (friend works there) converted most of their permanent employees to casuals & then told them to sign an A W A so everybody felt their job was in jeaperty and quite a few were out the door at the drop of a hat.
@zzsharka The Union was powerless if workers weren't allowed to strike and could not influence the creation of an unfair A W A contract. Under Howard the cost of living in Australia was at its highest ever e.g. transport, healthcare, education, petrol, groceries etc regardless of how high or low our wages were, the cost of living has kept increasing at a higher rate so keeping wages lower is bullshit.
the union was powerless if they can't strike? last time i checked unions were still doing a lot of striking under howard. if you want to know what is unfair, is when labor governments forced workers to pay to be a part of a union otherwise they were not allowed to work in that industry at all. There are a fair few tradies who did their apprenticeships in the 70s and 80s who hate labor because they had to give a chunk of their pay to the unions.
@AussiePolitics I didn't say the vast majority (or even majority) of A W A's were in the mining industry, that was your own creation, There weren't union strikes under Howard after A W As took affect and if there were any it was government transport (one of the few industries that didn't go on an A W A)
@AussiePolitics I supose you believed the children overboard lies too ! Mainly the mining industry lol why would the unions deliver a scare campaign if it was just the mining industry as that is not a large enough portion of the workforce to greatly effect union membership anyway.
actually back in the 80s people who worked in industries such as the building industry were only allowed to work if they were a part of a union. being a part of a union has never been banned, but it has been made compulsory by the labor party. that was the most extreme form under hawke, under whitlam he gave workers an extra 3 weeks holiday a year if they joined a union.
@AussiePolitics Also centerlink & the job neworks started puting people into any job such as cleaning or house keeping even if it was 5 hrs per week or the hrs were when mothers had to look after their young chinldren after school and ouldnt afford after school care instead of spending a little time matching their skills or have their benefits cut if they refused & the unemployment rate under Rudd now is pret damn low considering we have just come out of a recession.
then stop going on about this crap there were no strikes under howard because strikes were NEVER MADE illegal. I still think its so amusing how only a tiny % of people were on the 2005 legislated workchoices but apparently its responsible for everything bad with the economy.
@AussiePolitics Again, like I said there were no strikes under Howard after A W As came into affect except maybe transport which is government run, hence shitty A W A's, how hard is that to understand ?
"they won't hire loads more staff just because they are easier to fire "
if an employer is scared shitless by ridiculous dismissal laws then obviously they're only going to hire the bare bones of staff necessary to run the business. the problem is that this slows down our economy and means people go without work - two traits of the last labor government when unemployment went above 10%. the fact that employment went up after workchoices proves that employers were more likely to employ more staff
@AussiePolitics The economy is cyclical hence recessions and Howard came in when Australia was in a good economic position and Rudd came in when Australias economy was in a recession, so who do you think has a tougher job ? Do the math !
do you know what that means? the company was FORCED to employ this man because he was UNEMPLOYABLE. this is what excessive workplace regulation does. what message do you think that sends to businesses? it says "dont hire anyone unless you have absolutely no alternative. fuck growth or risks, because if an employee doesn't work out you just cant get rid of them" no wonder under labor gave us the worse recession in decades and howard's was an era of growth.
@AussiePolitics No I said they forced some to work much longer hrs & some to work much shorter hrs. If this fool hurts himself because he didn't wear the safety equipment provided after being repeatedly told to wear it then that's his problem & the employers insurance company will pay for it.
no it was one of the cases that this new legislation is contributing to screwing up the economy. the law basically says that even if you have an employee who ignores instructions or you are justified for any reason to dismiss them, then "fair work australia" can force the company to rehire them if the person is unemployable. thats what labor does - force companies to continue to employ the unemployable. and you think that doesn't affect an employer's desire to hire more people?
@AussiePolitics I pointed that out the other end of the spectrum later because after you made that point i could see that this wasn't obvious to you, I know people who have experienced this and it should be obvious that employers would make employees work longer hrs there are no penalty rates at night or weekends and others working less hrs hence casual instead of fulltime. .
@AussiePolitics and why wouldn't many of them increase the hrs of that hot blonde that worked just as well as you and cut your hrs in half if they knew they'd get away with it.
from your earlier comments where you seem to think that all employers are out to screw over employees its pretty obvious you've got the view that politics is a war between employers and employees and if employers win they'' a) make people work 5 hours a week or b) make them work 60 hours a week.
you have the ideological point of view that humans are not intelligent individuals but stupid and needy who require the paternal influence of the government to tell them what to do.
@AussiePolitics It's a known fact that the Liberal government is for business, so yes Howard is for the employers as that's where most of his votes & money/lobiests come from i.e. rich people and business owners.
stuck on old comments? your previous comments make you uncomfortable don't they since you have completely changed your claims about workchoices. first the thing wrong with them was bosses making their employees work 5 hours a week, now what's wrong with them is they were making them work too many hours a week. make up your mind.
do you have any evidence for these claims? as i keep saying, the statistical facts show that overall workchoices was very beneficial for workers.
@AussiePolitics I said 5 hrs may have been an exageration, wow what a tragedy, this means maybe its often 10 or 15 hrs, big deal ! still the same point and no I never said there was anything wrong with the comment about working more hrs.
@AussiePolitics It's pretty simple, employers make many work too many hrs and many others work too few hrs hence casual with no restrictions or penalty rates & being casual of course the wages will be higher on average but not high compared with what is lost ie sholiday leave & working civilised hrs.
now you want to have it both ways. you're clutching at straws mate
you know why workchoices were implemented? because unemployment was so long at the time that employees were able to negotiate BETTER WAGES for themselves - as you can see from the actual FACTS. if unemployment was at 10% like it was under labor then you would be right, it would have been bad since employers had no shortage of people to hire and could treat them like shit. but when unemployment gets so long, workers are valuable.
@AussiePolitics Work choices was Howards idiology for a long time. After it was braught in, Howard said if employees didn't like the conditions they could just get another job.
No, it was good for those who had difficulty getting hired. when unemployment was running in excess of 10% when labor was last in and we had "fair" workplace laws it was these people who were unable to find a job at all. If you didn't do well in an interview, tough no job because it isn't worth taking risks that you won't work out. under howard these people were given a chance - as you can tell by the unemployment rate going DOWN.
@AussiePolitics Like I said the casualised workforce didn't reflect the true nature of the unemployment rate (at all) & these people were probably still out of work or working less hrs than they were in their previous jobs & many of the good workers were working far more hrs including nights & weekends & according to you they could just a better job or negotiate.
@AussiePolitics But the problem is every employer had this flexibility & there were enough emplyees who had to work these hrs going around because the dole was ruthless e.g. no help with matching or improving skills, take this job or your off the dole.
again, as I said the unemployment rate was so low that trained workers were a COMMODITY. it would not have been in the interest of employers to treat their employees like shit as they needed them. you have no proof whatsoever of your claims. when you realized that your original claim of workers working hardly any time didnt work with pay going up you changed your story.
show me proof in your reply - hard evidence not just union scare tactics.
statistics recorded by the ABS labour mobility survey found that under workchoices people who lost their job involuntarily through redundancy, dismissal or lack of work FELL to 1.8% of all people who had held a job in that time period, estimated to be the LOWEST EVER. more evidence that workchoices was BENEFICIAL to workers. i have still not seen a shred of evidence from you however, just emotive arguments spurred on by labor propaganda.
@AussiePolitics There are greater factors in the labour market than legislation, remember that. Not that I completely disagree, it's just that these numbers don't account for everything by any means.
@BlackLabelEric of course, i was merely illustrating the fact that despite all the lies of the unions and labor who would have you believing workchoices instantly led to lower wages and more dismissals, the opposite happened
@AussiePolitics That's great for those who are easily hired but there are many who suck at interviews & creating resumes hence not good at using resources to improve on this but they could do the job allot better than those who know how to sell themselves in the job hunting process, which isn't surprising since school encourages following rather than thinking & teaches us nothing about the real workd so many can't just walk into another job so easily like Howard said.
mate now you're just spewing labor and union propaganda. I would like to see some proof that this really happened. you do realize that if employers started treating employees like that they'd soon find they didn't have too many people wanting to work for them. people do have a choice when accepting a job you realize. unemployment was so low that employers were desperate for workers and it was going down because they werent afraid to hire more people. SHOW ME PROOF OR SHUT UP.
@AussiePolitics The employer did everything it could including trying to sack him so if he refuses to wear the safety equipment & hurts himself then he faces the concequences. That's the best example you could come up with ?
@AussiePolitics Employers tend to be greedy & only concerned about maximising profits, they won't hire loads more staff just because they are easier to fire hence organisations tend to be understaffed regardless of I R laws as employers will try to maximise profits no matter what.
@AussiePolitics Howard loved blaming the state governments but the liberal states had shitty health care as well. Hospitals and education were at the worst in Australias history under Howard. Where's my proof that the workforce became more casualised ? Well if you paid attention to journalists interviewing Howard you'd see that he never denied this when they brought it up although he did try to side step the question like a good little politition.
when howard came into power the asian financial crisis ruined all the economies in our region - the oz economy had been viewed as the white trash of asia. after 9/11 the US slipped into recession and australia almost did as well. dont pretend there were no challenges during howards time, he rebuilt our economy and ensured that it was strong enough to face the GFC. rudd should thank his lucky stars he inherited a liberal economy and not a labor one.
@AussiePolitics Like I said the workforce became far more casualised reflecting a B S employment rate. So your solution is to make employment as unfair as possible for employees so that empoyers hire more staff e.g. late nights, weekends killing any family time or put them on part-time so they have to work 2 or 3 jobs killing family time or recreational time again, what sort of life is that ?
tell me, if all of a sudden all the bosses in australia started putting thousands of workers on 5 hour shifts a week why was there not a massive decline in the average wage? You see that's the big hole in your theory about workchoices being so terrible - AVERAGE wages went up. if average wages go up and employment went down then most people with any common sense would say that the laws were enormously beneficial to australians.
@AussiePolitics Ok so 5 hrs per week is an exageration, so in many cases it was its either part time/casual or 60 hrs instead of 40 and when casual there is no holiday leave or sick leave so their wages may have gone up a little but not equal to the holiday & sick leave lost or even the penalty rates, hence why so many business failed even John Howards fairness test so he ended up screwing the employers as well in the end as he only told them about the fairness test afterwards..
oh i see now, you've stopped claiming that workchoices led to employers massively cutting back working hours and instead forcing them to work MORE hours lol. you've been so emotionally sucked in by the union campaign you're grasping at straws mate - you're making up every single reason under the sun with no evidence at all. what evidence there is clearly shows that thousands of australians were better off and found work as a result of this legislation.
no originally you claimed workchoices had resulted in people being forced to work fewer hours and lower unemployment was just because employees were being counted who had to work a few hours a week. when i pointed out this made no sense since wages you went up you started claiming that workchoices had made employees work excessive hours and that was why their pay had gone up. do you have any proof for this? all the evidence points to workchoices being a good thing.
@AussiePolitics If the now unemployable get fired without going through the formal 3 written warning process then too bad for the boss. If they end up on the street too easily then crime goes up dramatically. Check the crime stats under Howard after work choices took affect.
crime increased under howard? really that's funny because they'd be LOWER considering more people had jobs since unemployment was at its lowest points in decades. i made the point that the rudd government has effectively means tested being fired. that's going to scare the shit out of every employer in the nation.
you just flip flop any way you can - making things up and when they're wrong you try to claim something else. the only evidence available is that statistically workchoices benefitted oz
@AussiePolitics You see things in black and white and fail to read between the lines or see grey areas, hence why you are stuck on past comments and cant adapt & can't see that "lower unemployment" was a complete farse if the work is far more casulised, in other words the stats don;t relect the true nature of emploment or wages, who the hell wants to be a caual with hrs all over the place & not knowing if you will work 10 hrs or 60 hrs that week when they have a family to feed & mortgage.
actually during the liberal years the majority of the voters who earned between 20,000 to 40,000 a year - BELOW THE AVERAGE WAGE - voted for the liberal party. so not, it is not a well known fact, it is left-wing propaganda that you have bought into.
@AussiePolitics No if you go from a reasonably good fulltime wage to a minim wage part time or casual wage & can't pay your bills then robbery or selling drugs might seem more attractive to many people..
"No if you go from a reasonably good fulltime wage to a minim wage part time or casual wage & can't pay your bills"
if so many people lost so much pay then WHY DID WAGES GO UP??????? face it, the results of workchoices were more people were employed and getting paid MORE. unemployment was the lowest in decades and the australian economy was the strongest it had ever been.
Howard sucks
gotrollyourself 3 weeks ago
John Howard was a fucking bastard, who changed a lot of laws in favor of the the big companies, in the process ruining a lot of people's life's, and now this retard Tony Abbott wants to continue making changes to things that you and I have always been entitled, I honestly don't know what is wrong with people this days, because they seem to be blind to all of this
viewsonicplastic2222 1 month ago
haha winston
unopinionated 1 month ago
I raise my glass to John W Howard for keeping Costello out! If Costello had gotten into power there would have been hell to pay!
Doctor699 3 months ago
@FoetusInYouNoodles,
Where do you get this one world government bullshit from? Gillard will be out of here in no time!
sparkly21 4 months ago
What the fuck were Australians smoking when they voted in another labor government? Well, thank you for contributing greatly to the ass-fucking our country has taken over the past three years. I can not believe some of you dumb cunts are still thrashing Howard. Please go and educate yourselves. And thanks again! Looking forward to the $2 a liter of petrol next year. Looking forward to the one world government, and the price of everything is rising dramatically? Nice! Thanks labor voters!
FoetusInYourNoodles 6 months ago
Why are there people posting comments complaining about Howard's reign?
You people should be looking at yourselves for voting him again THREE MORE TIMES!
nobodygetsmyusername 7 months ago
@nobodygetsmyusername Mate my parents never voted for him.... and the first time I voted in a federal election, Labor won in a landslide :-D
anna0conda 1 month ago
@anna0conda
Then I'm assuming all the people hating on Howard are, and have always been, Labor voters?
nobodygetsmyusername 1 month ago
@nobodygetsmyusername Not everyone. Some people don't like either party which is fair enough. One problem with the 07 election was that not everyone who voted Labor ncessarily did it because they wanted Rudd to win. It was more of a case where they just wanted Howard out.
anna0conda 1 month ago
I miss JOHNNY HOWARD
:(
qantas8888 7 months ago
Chaser lost its charm after they put a leash on them.
Now its just biased smartass stuff. Pretty obvious who they vote for and the audience theyre trying to get to vote the same....
jimeh123 8 months ago
Hahaha this is fucking awesome
anna0conda 10 months ago
wowwww gettin a bit defensive there buddy, shows me your taking offense.It's not my fault your fucken overpopulated country has shit human and animal rights you cat eating sling eyed fuck, go farm me some rice you dumb yellow slave
smithiy69 11 months ago
To conclude: The country needs Asians because too many kids are brought up stupid. Chinese culture has some impressive features that people ought to pick up: parents taking interest in their kids education explicitly.
As someone who has grown up with openly racist parents, I've often heard complaints about all the Asian doctors. Racism or not, would you rather have an asian doctor who knows his stuff or either no doctors at all or a doctor that spins a wheel to determine what medicine to give.
Krazed2Kraze 11 months ago 2
@Krazed2Kraze I agree that growing ignorance and under-education is a problem in Australia (largely due to degradent American influenced 'culture'), bringing in hoardes of Asian immigrants is merely a quick cheap solution to an ever greater social issue. The current Labor government doesn't want to take responsibility for these issues so they use the quick fix solution of immigrants. We need to be working towards strenthening the AUSTRALIAN community and helping OUR next generation do well.
Schredder222 10 months ago
Aussie Polyticks: FACT: It stems from the dead bower of an English Garden Way. FACT: A small Nation hardly needs to be divided and fought over by Overgrown Old School Bullease & Prefects. FACkT: John Howard was the Best Prime Minister Ever, apart from all the others. KhOOOL!
Lieu3C4 11 months ago
This. Is. Fucking. Perfect.
NichtNacht 11 months ago
@smithiy69 FACT - you are a knob - FACT
MrDotFriend 1 year ago
We need howard back, he was the best PM we've had. Rudd and the ranga let all the boats in, while howard told em to fuck off, and its true about asians... tomorrow when your out, count how many u walk past, then compare with the amount of aussis u see. May as well call our fucking country china...
smithiy69 1 year ago
@smithiy69 Countries aren't about colour, you sad fuck.
BIuejay 11 months ago 2
@BIuejay You know it's true, i bet your probly asian too,you over fucking populated cunt
smithiy69 11 months ago
@smithiy69 No, I'm not. I'm just intelligent.
I'm pretty sure you're a troll. Anybody who says 'let all the boats in' is either trolling, or very, very stupid.
Look up 'children overboard scandal' while you're busy singing Howard's praises on immigration, by the way.
BIuejay 11 months ago
@smithiy69 What's wrong with Asians? I'm Aussie, anglo-saxon, since it seems to matter so terribly much to you, and ~50% of my friends are Asian. Why? Because white people are fucking stupid. Even as I was in school, the distinguishment was there in black and white, white kids did nothing, about 75% just partied and did drugs, while all asians had a solid work ethic, as well as being far more civilised.
People bitch about education systems, when an Asian works hard, they scorn them. Retards.
Krazed2Kraze 11 months ago
@smithiy69
hey retard.
seeing as most of those asians are australian, i would suggest you shut the fuck up, you stupid fucking slack jawed hillbilly cunt.
and we need boat people, so they outbreed families like yours. that are no use to this country whatsoever.
stupid fail cunt.
yandiggles 11 months ago
@smithiy69
Typical Aussie bogan scum
nobodygetsmyusername 1 month ago
Howard was the worst PM we ever had.
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago 3
I'm sorry for that.
EnarPilrith 1 year ago
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EnarPilrith 1 year ago
fuck i hate it when ppl put FACT before they say shit
MrNottsCounty 1 year ago
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EnarPilrith 1 year ago
@EnarPilrith yup well i've been on the end of alot of youtube comment wars before, and dont use that word fag - im gay and FACT it kinda offends me
MrNottsCounty 1 year ago
JOHN WINSTON HOWARD WE HARDLY KNEW YE
IDGeneratorS 1 year ago
Worst Prime Minister in Australian history bar none. Makes G W Bush look like a combination of Mother Theresa, Einstein and Jesus.
mlawren7 1 year ago
@mlawren7
Very True! The sad thing is Howard is sentient being, whereas Dubya is merely a puppet.
cityviagranville 1 year ago
how can anyone vote for that little fuck face?
alek100 1 year ago 3
The only thing to thank him for is at the end.
Doctor699 1 year ago
walkabout09. So true mate.
EnarPilrith 1 year ago
AussiePolitics. You took 2 months to reply! You're a FUCKING RETARD BOY! I must be correct, i have the thumbs up fucko.
EnarPilrith 1 year ago 13
Oh yes, John Howard. I think of him every time I step in dog shit.
mlawren7 1 year ago 2
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John Howard was Australia's best ever prime minister, he had wisdom and respect internationally.
12 good years, with the Liberal/National government.
They contributed to my wealth today, l will always have high respect for Mr Howard.
MRMILO57 1 year ago
Howard, as an Australian, I have one thing to say to you: Rot in hell, you braindead, mealymouthed, lying scumsack.
novamist 1 year ago 5
whaats work choices?
tupacsomething69 1 year ago
@tupacsomething69 It's when your boss can tell you to sleep with him, and if you say no, you get the sack.
mlawren7 1 year ago
AussiePolitics, i mean, conservative deadshit. FACT: Work for the dole covers up true unemployment figures. FACT: Workchoices stripped away basic workers rights and conditions. Resulting in your little desiccated coconut friend losing his seat. I think its time you got over it! LOOOOL!
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@EnarPilrith stupid cunt if you're going make a comment having a go to be have the balls to actually REPLY TO ME. first of all I am not a conservative deadshit, i liked the hawke and keating government. just because i understand a good economic policy does not make me a party hack you fool.
do you know what workchoices did? FACT: unemployment went DOWN, DISMISSALS went to a 20 year LOW, and AVERAGE WAGES WENT UP.
workchoices left people BETTER OFF YOU FOOL.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
Funny Yes, but What I would give to have Mr Howard and Mr Costello leading this Nation right now!!
KRudd may be gone, Gillard is even more Communist/Socialist/Godless than Rudd!!
UriahHeep100 1 year ago
@UriahHeep100 godless?
grubyub 1 year ago
@UriahHeep100
No one cares about your god
toby099 1 year ago 3
@UriahHeep100 Who gives a shit about Godless?
Religious politics involve forcing religious law on people who don't follow them.
Social conservatism is something from old men who are afraid of change and have this idiotic idea that in the 1950s, everything was perfect, it sets back social development as a result.
And as a FYI, Jesus was a socialist, he told people to share their wealth and pay taxes. Rather than the me me me selfish conservative culture.
cerelilqt 1 year ago 2
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@cerelilqt im an atheist but i know enough about religion to know that jesus wasn't a socialist. there is a difference between people GIVING money to the poor of their own free will because it is right and the government socialising wealth and using the threat of force to take it from some people to give to others.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
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Tony , uh, Abbot is a raving, uh, nutter - he's a fanatic neo-liberal , uh, extremist - a fascist even - he's as crazy as, uh, Hitler - if the Mad Monk becomes PM , uh, we are all in , uh deep deep , uh, shit!
dmcguire70 1 year ago 5
Yay 99,000th veiwer :)
rohaanrulz 1 year ago
My favourite quote of John Howard, the legend: "We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come!"
ACSeesIt 1 year ago
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Todays news April 23
Another war crime is white washed by America, the nicest smelling army lol
Court dismisses murder conviction of Calif. Marine Sgt. Larry Hutchins.
A military appeals court Thursday threw out the murder conviction of Sgt. Larry Hutchins serving 11 years in connection with the 2006 kidnapping and murder of a 52 year old civilian.
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago
There is no doubt that some workers did well from AWAs. People in the mining sector did very well and there are many others. Market wages in those industries are much higher than the Award. However, lots of people did a lot worse, such as employees in the retail, hospitality and security industries.
tootys46 1 year ago
WorkChoices allowed businesses to offer employment agreements such as AWAs and non-union collective agreements that took away Award entitlements such as penalty rates, overtime, etc and they didn't need to provide a higher rate to compensate them for it. Just the minimum wage and the 5 employment standards were required. The Fairness Test tried to stop that. However, for new employers (post WC), they weren't required to pay Award conditions or provide compensation (even after the Fairness Test).
tootys46 1 year ago
WorkChoices was introduced because the Coalition won control of the Senate in 2004 and it was an opportunity to go beyond the 1996 reforms. They negotiated the 1996 reforms with the Australian Democrats. WorkChoices was an attempt to make the Award system irrelevant, make small AND MEDIUM sized businesses exempt from unfair dismissal, increase regulation of union activity and to encourage enterprise based agreements, especailly AWAs.
tootys46 1 year ago
also its not about wanting to have it both ways, its just how it works, employers did what suits them under Howards I R laws in most cases without considering what was ethical or fare as they tend to have too many things going on in their business & their own lives to worry about much else hence why employees need protection.
zzsharka 1 year ago
e.g. an employee working full time 38 hrs may get more money but this is because they are working many more hrs and often late at night and weekends. The other employee who was working a 38 hr week would work 15 hrs with a bit more pay per hr but all over the place including nights weekends etc
zzsharka 1 year ago
In other words if you get retrenched from a fulltime job with a decent wage & then get a shitty job with far less hrs and crappy wage because centerlink forces you to take any job under Howard earning less than the dole in some cases, instead of something suitable, then people are more likely to commit robbery or sell drugs to feed their family & pay their mortgege.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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"maybe its often 10 or 15 hrs"
if so many people were working so few hours then why did wages go up? i doubt it was because employers started paying employees 3-4x their normal hourly rates.
all you have is a load of conjecture and labor propaganda. you keep on making things up to justify your points and changing your story. the fact of the matter is that wages went up after workchoices and unemployment went down. now find me proof of how workchoices was detrimental or dont bother replying.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
As if the majority of employers wouldn't tell you to work longer hrs if it meant no overtime pay and no penalty rates and threaten to cut your hrs big time or get someone else to work for them instead, regardless of whether or not you had kids to pick up from school or were also studying a course at Uni etc
zzsharka 1 year ago
Andrew Wilkie a former soldier and intelligence analyst resigned from an Australian intelligence agency, in March 2003 over lies by Prime Minister Howard that Saddam possessed WMDs.
It is beyond depute Howard is a liar and guilty of an illegal war.
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago
@lesdoyle2000 Yep and the children overbored saga was so low ! He's a clever politition but has no ethics or morals.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@liber8me
Howard was a racist prick, Fuck the economy
Australia should be a more socially progressive country like how Obama is trying to turn America into
ChunkyTomster53 1 year ago
how was howard a racist prick? immigration from asian countries under howard was the highest it had ever been under any prime minister. now this is just a hunch but if i was a racist and in control of immigration i wouldn't increase the number of people from different races coming here.
obama is a fucking idiot and is just bush in a different shade. iraq war continues, gitmo still open, he's ordering kills on people and america owes trillions of dollars to china. america is fucked.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics So I could get rid of u without giving a reason or notice, who cares if u have a family to feed right ? Your contract now is weekends, late night shifts, double shifts in one day etc without extra pay, who needs to see their kids anyway ? do you really think young people or parents in low skilled jobs are goin to get a fair deal by siggning an A W A one on one with the employer rather than collectively ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
Did the Labor voters really want open borders run by economic people smugglers and high debt with all of the burrowed cash and deficits with China and Asia and Russia? You see I can understand why some Green voters would vote Green because their stupid and want this shit,but what I cant understand is the Australian losers and fat overweight single mums and dolebludgers who all claim their true blue Aussies when they voted for Rudd,was Rudd really believable? Has Rudd delivered anything?
megadak123 1 year ago
stuff Rudd for turning this country into a 3rd world ghetto of African and Middle Eastern losers,all this 3rd world shit coming in to this country,and bankrupting the country we'll be foreever indebted to China and perish when the Asian army's land in the topend while the drunken Abos are pissin up all of Howards surplus
megadak123 1 year ago 2
Andrew Wilkie a former soldier and intelligence analyst who resigned from an Australian intelligence agency, in March 2003 over lies that Saddam possessed WMDs. We now know that he was right.
It is beyond dispute that Howard is a liar.
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago
kevin rudd said that it was beyond doubt that saddam had WMDs when he was labor's shadow foreign affairs minister. so apparently when its rudd he's misinformed but when its howard he's a liar right? you're nothing but a hypocrite.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
fuck off john howard introduced the piss weak immigration laws hence why all the gangs started in the early 90s
we need to bring extradition into the penaltys for poeple who arent of australian herritage eg the lebanese anyone who uses a weapon in a fight should be sent back to ruin their own country not australia
johnosandra 1 year ago
far better entertainment/economy wise
rapes rudd, literally wid his perverse eyebrows
gpappyavnub 1 year ago
i went for rudd. but fuck, im starting to miss howard. he was a bald jerk but at least he inforced some proper immigration laws.
mrtranswiser 2 years ago 6
@mrtranswiser of course thats the big issue. Clown.
BornskiAECC 1 year ago
@mrtranswiser Howard signed the refugee quota, so why do that & then treat them much worse than crininals when they seek asylum for their kids instead of waiting a year which would mean certain death. The U N was in his ear & it was all going to ocme out so he finaly made some changes & work cover inspectors needed councelling afterwards, that's how bad it was.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@mrtranswiser U r given a number, not told how long or anything at all. Those rioters were about 15 people out of 1000 who weren't meant to be in the same place as they were criminals Peop in detention centres were never let out until the changes happend or, maybe after 10 yrs, hence all kinds of mental ilness wheh they get out & opinion of Austrians shatted. think that keeps us safe ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
@mrtranswiser Anyway the navy intercepts the boats & they don't jump the qcue at all, from overcrowded chrismas island to the mainland means from one detention on christmas island to another detention centre on the mainland.The British came by boat too & took over by force so who are the real Australians ? hmm.
zzsharka 1 year ago
and when Pauline Hanson was getting all the media attention about being a racist that just made her a martyr in the eyes of millions of australians who believed that their politicians had betrayed them. do you know what would have been the result of howard condemning hanson? it would have been front page news across the nation - more free coverage for hanson and her racist views.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Howard came to power when our economy was in the growth stage & doing well and China was beginning to boom. Under Howard we had one of the highest tax systems including tarriffs in the world, we certainly didn't need the G S T (extra 10%) or for the government to stop contributing to the funds for universities & decrease funds for public school.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Yes Howard may have let many people into Australia but mainly because of the skills shortage here & they work harder than most of us Ausies lol but then they have to do their qualifications here again anyway in many cases and charged through the roof for their courses while working 12 hrs a day getting paid $10 an hr in a shitty job that most locals won't do.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics There isn't enough competition here e.g. monopolised supermarkets and petrol stations, small population & people are prepared to pay more for the latest in technology or new products hence clever marketing, the reserve bank is full of shit as land lords just put their prices up anyway when interest rates rise.
zzsharka 1 year ago
after the worst recession since the second world war and an extremely weak economy that howard took over, it would have been impossible for the economy to go anywhere but up from there. what needed good management was ensuring that the economy stayed strong for a decade. the mining boom only took off towards the end of howards time in power and as the state labor governments have shown you still have to manage effectively - nsw and qld labor for example.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
"the reserve bank is full of shit"
yet again its obvious that most of the labor supporters have no understanding of economics, but then if they did they wouldn't be supporting people in the first place.
the reserve bank's primary job is to control inflation. if inflation goes to high it undermines the entire australian economy and scares off investment as it means money is losing its value. if you think inflation is not a problem then it is obvious you do not understand economics at all.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics so why is it that the cost of living has not been effected regardless of inflation as it just keeps increasing. Of course the minors are going to want the A W A as they have lots of bargaining power because they are so needed ! They have always been paid a shit load of money.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics It's across the bored dude, my cousin worked for the fare work ombedsman as one of the investigators for the fairness test which was only investigated after rudd took power. Howard lost the election mainly due to his unfair I R laws, do you really think that would have happended if it was mainly minors on A W A's who actually prefered them ? lol
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Also as if the majority of organisations wouldn't want to put there employees on new contracts when they knew there would be more flexibility/profit for the employer and less basic rights & money for the employee. Yes wages has some effect on the cost of living but not compared with several other factors.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics The minimum wage was lower under Howard. The fact is that under work/"employer" choices the most vulnerable people were not protected e.g. fired for no reason, workers not allowed to strike for better conditions or join the union for protection etc (can you imagine how intimidating it would be for a worker in a factory or at Pizza Hut etc to try to bargain with their employer alone ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Sure there's some effect but I don't believe inflation & interest rates have as much effect on our cost of living as the R B a makes out hence competition, wall street/shareholders, monoplolies, increased advertising, increased materialism etc The economy is cyclical.
zzsharka 1 year ago
"Howard lost the election mainly due to his unfair I R laws"
no, he lost it because the unions ran a scare campaign because they wanted to keep their money and members. only a tiny percentage of people were on workchoices and almost all of them were miners. after workchoices was implemeneted wages went UP and unemployment went DOWN. that is PROOF it was a good thing.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
"Yes wages has some effect on the cost of living but not compared with several other factor"
Well DUH - of course there are other factors at play in the economy, but raising wages across the board creates inflation because it raises the cost of EVERYTHING.
the recession in the early 80s was caused by the unions forcing wage increases across all industries in the economy which was massively increased inflation.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics and no it was allot more than mainly the mining industry with work choices, e.g. call centres, retail, factories, warehouses, banks etc That fareness test was only implemented after Howard was gone and many employers had to pay employees back as they screwed them big time. Howard only did that near the election because of the massive pressure put on him regarding work choices.
zzsharka 1 year ago
that's just pathetic. the level of immigration is proof howard was not a racist. if he was more concerned with race he would have lowered asian immigration. oh and the unis have always charged foreign students more REGARDLESS OF RACE, because aussie students are subsidized by the government.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics If they didn't sign the new contract that the employer devised they were out the door & had less rights. Do you know how many employers made perm staff casuals and changed the contract ? How is this ethical ? If more people were employed this is because they lost their job they had done for many yrs without notice & doing a casual part time cleaning job with minimum wage while paying off a mortgage & kids to feed or hrs had been cut to part- time or casual etc
zzsharka 1 year ago
inflation and interest rates are linked - the RBA raises interest rates so people spent more money on their repayments and less on consumer items which brings inflation down. if you do not have an inflationary target then it would be like going back to the messed up aussie economy of the 70s and 80s. high inflation has two negative effects: it undermines the value of the dollar as it loses value, and it undermines confidence in the australian economy, weakening us and investment.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics There was something wrong with our economy if we kept needing the R B A to intervene, its called government not spending money where its needed e.g. hospitals, schools, roads, transport, agecare etc simply to preach "a good economy" as they didn't do anything else for Australia and left a lot of shit for Rudd to fix.
zzsharka 1 year ago
at least you've stopped trying to lie and realized that the vast majority of the jobs were only in the mining sector where people were better off.
i never said every single person was better off under workchoices, but it is a FACT that wages went up and unemployment went down so they were a good thing for the vast majority. there is no IR system that does not have its flaws - there are already a fair few sob stories about rudds current system.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics You are missing the point, I'm saying if the R B A kept having to intervene so regularly under Howard then something wasn't quite right.
If A W A's are so good then why did zero polititions under the Howard government go on one ! hmmm
zzsharka 1 year ago
wages, regualatioins, paperwork & penalty rates
yep, and thats the reason the economy was screwed over last time labor was in - they implement so many "fair" workplace laws that they're afraid to hire anyone new and as a result the economy stagnates and people stay on the dole. but hey, so long as its fair when they never get the job right? the statistics are all against you unemployment went down and wages went up. but hey if the facts dont prove your point why not make up an emotive argument?
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
" There was something wrong with our economy if we kept needing the R B A to intervene"
do you have any clue at all? both labor and liberal governments recognise that setting inflationary targets is the ONLY way for the economy to remain stable and promote investment. the worst recessions in our history occurred when inflation went out of control. the RBA was created by the government to put downward pressure on interest rates. that is its purpose.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Nobody has ever forced anybody to join the Union, it has been an option, do you even work ? Yes there is a tiny fee if you want to join e.g. about $5 per fortnight in retail at the time which is fair enough.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Do you really think small businesses enjoy the award or enterprise agreement (collective bargained agreement) wages, regualatioins, paperwork & penalty rates etc rather than a 2 page document with practically whatever the employer wants want ? Even most large businesses would prefer their employees to be on an A W A as it benefitws the employer more than the emplyee. You've gota be smarter than that !
zzsharka 1 year ago
you're really making the claim there were no strikes under howard except government transport? LMAO you just completely lost all credibility mate. there were many strikes under howards - tell me when howard passed a law making strikes illegal. you wont find it because NO SUCH LAW EXISTS.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics i didn't say "under Howard", I said under Howard after his I R laws took affect, read my posts properly, no Howard didn't pass the law that strikes were illegal as he didn't need to because this was in the new A W A contracts and bosses would get rid of employees who joined a union if the union had any power at all in that industry, but one thing Howard did do was pass a law that employees didn't need to be paid while on strike.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I know inflation does not stay exactly the same but if the government is not spending money (less on hospitals, education & transport) then the so called strong economy is a total farse.Yes theres paperwork in the awards and enterprise agreement but who said running a business would be easy ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
obviously running a business is not easy but when labor is in power they make it virtually impossible. labor's "fair" IR legislation just creates recessions because bosses are too afraid to hire anyone. tell me, how willing would you be to hire someone new for your company if you knew labor's legislation was going to make it a pain in the ass to fire them if they didnt turn out to be suitable? labor's laws mean thousands of people never get a chance at finding a job.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Taking the easy way out and denying employees of their basic rights is simply unethical. Under Howard the workforce became much more casualised/less hours than under the Keating & Halk governments making the unemployment rate look lower than it really was.
zzsharka 1 year ago
actually howard spent more money on health than any other federal government in australian history. the difference is that he actually MANAGED the money well, unlike all the state labor governments who were billions of dollars in debt. its a balancing act - sure you can go spend billions of dollars on huge spending initiatives but in the end that just hurts people when inflation goes way up.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
the welfare agencies have ALWAYS tried to get people jobs. thats their purpose.
lmao the only reason we came out of the GFC so strongly is because of the strength of the australian economy that HOWARD left rudd and confidence in our economic institutions, another product of us having a strong economy.
these are the things the liberals do, but they get hated by people like you because they dont go around wasting billions like labor.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Enough about Howard, Abbot doesn't stand a chance in the election against Rudd hehe and I think Guilard will be Prime Minister in the election after Rudd wins the one coming up.
zzsharka 1 year ago
Howard loved blaming the state governments but the liberal states had shitty health care as well
really? care to name them? what you can't? could it be because for the majority of howards time in parliament every single state was run by LABOR. do you think its little wonder why so many people think the states are so shitty they want to abolish them?
you have no proof that workchoices resulted in people being put on 5 hours a week. what there is proof for is WAGES GOING UP which contradicts this
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
inflation does not stay stay exactly the same all the time - thats the job of the RBA to balance inflation while not causing a recession. under labor interest rates went up in excess of 17% - thats what happenes when a government doesnt know how to spend money and has to lower inflation by punishing homeowners.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
"Under Howard the workforce became much more casualised/less hours than under the Keating"
and your proof for this is?
under hawke and keating we experienced the worst recession in decades - now that hurts employees.
you're not even being logical about it. if i went up to anyone on the street and asked would they support a law that LOWERED unemployment and brought UP wages then I'm pretty sure 90% of people would be in favour of it. if people were working so few hours why did wages go up?
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
for the past 60 years or so there's been a trade imbalance, and that holds true for the rest of the world who buy most of their crap from china. the expense of some items grow at a greater rate than inflation, and the expense of others at the same or less. house prices in just two years under hawke between 87-89 increased by 56% and over that time interest rates were in excess of 17%. now that is an increase far higher thaninflation.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
first of all only a tiny % of the workers were ever on the 2005 workchoice legislation. second of all it was OVERWHELMINGLY taken up by the miners who got paid MORE. that is a load of shit that it was used that much across the australian workfore.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Why the hell does our cost of living keep increasing at a faster rate regardless of how strong our dollar is if inflation is such a huge issue ! We import more than we export anyway.
zzsharka 1 year ago
"so why is it that the cost of living has not been effected regardless of inflation as it just keeps increasing"
WTF??? that is the most incredibly stupid comment I have heard in my life. I cannot even by bothered replying to someone who has no understanding of the most fundamental principles of economics.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
"The minimum wage was lower under Howard"
No it wasn't. the last coalition government did not lower the minimum wage - it always goes up each year (last year being the exception because of the GFC) the reason the majority of people who went on workchoices were miners is because they knew they've be better off negotiating. YOU DID NOT HAVE TO GET A WORKCHOICE AGREEMENT and there was NOTHING stopping someone from joining a union.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
"If they didn't sign the new contract that the employer devised they were out the door & had less rights"
Now you're just buying into the bullshit union campaign. people were not forced to sign the agreement - you can see it by the fact that HARDLY ANYONE SIGNED ONE OUTSIDE OF THE MINING SECTOR.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics You obviously don't know people who are in the "vulnerable" category or have heard about their situation, H P M, Pizza Hut Teletech are good examples of organisations which put new workers on A W A's and H P M for one (friend works there) converted most of their permanent employees to casuals & then told them to sign an A W A so everybody felt their job was in jeaperty and quite a few were out the door at the drop of a hat.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@zzsharka The Union was powerless if workers weren't allowed to strike and could not influence the creation of an unfair A W A contract. Under Howard the cost of living in Australia was at its highest ever e.g. transport, healthcare, education, petrol, groceries etc regardless of how high or low our wages were, the cost of living has kept increasing at a higher rate so keeping wages lower is bullshit.
zzsharka 1 year ago
the union was powerless if they can't strike? last time i checked unions were still doing a lot of striking under howard. if you want to know what is unfair, is when labor governments forced workers to pay to be a part of a union otherwise they were not allowed to work in that industry at all. There are a fair few tradies who did their apprenticeships in the 70s and 80s who hate labor because they had to give a chunk of their pay to the unions.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I didn't say the vast majority (or even majority) of A W A's were in the mining industry, that was your own creation, There weren't union strikes under Howard after A W As took affect and if there were any it was government transport (one of the few industries that didn't go on an A W A)
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I supose you believed the children overboard lies too ! Mainly the mining industry lol why would the unions deliver a scare campaign if it was just the mining industry as that is not a large enough portion of the workforce to greatly effect union membership anyway.
zzsharka 1 year ago
actually back in the 80s people who worked in industries such as the building industry were only allowed to work if they were a part of a union. being a part of a union has never been banned, but it has been made compulsory by the labor party. that was the most extreme form under hawke, under whitlam he gave workers an extra 3 weeks holiday a year if they joined a union.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Also centerlink & the job neworks started puting people into any job such as cleaning or house keeping even if it was 5 hrs per week or the hrs were when mothers had to look after their young chinldren after school and ouldnt afford after school care instead of spending a little time matching their skills or have their benefits cut if they refused & the unemployment rate under Rudd now is pret damn low considering we have just come out of a recession.
zzsharka 1 year ago
then stop going on about this crap there were no strikes under howard because strikes were NEVER MADE illegal. I still think its so amusing how only a tiny % of people were on the 2005 legislated workchoices but apparently its responsible for everything bad with the economy.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Again, like I said there were no strikes under Howard after A W As came into affect except maybe transport which is government run, hence shitty A W A's, how hard is that to understand ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
"they won't hire loads more staff just because they are easier to fire "
if an employer is scared shitless by ridiculous dismissal laws then obviously they're only going to hire the bare bones of staff necessary to run the business. the problem is that this slows down our economy and means people go without work - two traits of the last labor government when unemployment went above 10%. the fact that employment went up after workchoices proves that employers were more likely to employ more staff
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics The economy is cyclical hence recessions and Howard came in when Australia was in a good economic position and Rudd came in when Australias economy was in a recession, so who do you think has a tougher job ? Do the math !
zzsharka 1 year ago
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do you know what that means? the company was FORCED to employ this man because he was UNEMPLOYABLE. this is what excessive workplace regulation does. what message do you think that sends to businesses? it says "dont hire anyone unless you have absolutely no alternative. fuck growth or risks, because if an employee doesn't work out you just cant get rid of them" no wonder under labor gave us the worse recession in decades and howard's was an era of growth.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics No I said they forced some to work much longer hrs & some to work much shorter hrs. If this fool hurts himself because he didn't wear the safety equipment provided after being repeatedly told to wear it then that's his problem & the employers insurance company will pay for it.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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no it was one of the cases that this new legislation is contributing to screwing up the economy. the law basically says that even if you have an employee who ignores instructions or you are justified for any reason to dismiss them, then "fair work australia" can force the company to rehire them if the person is unemployable. thats what labor does - force companies to continue to employ the unemployable. and you think that doesn't affect an employer's desire to hire more people?
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I pointed that out the other end of the spectrum later because after you made that point i could see that this wasn't obvious to you, I know people who have experienced this and it should be obvious that employers would make employees work longer hrs there are no penalty rates at night or weekends and others working less hrs hence casual instead of fulltime. .
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics and why wouldn't many of them increase the hrs of that hot blonde that worked just as well as you and cut your hrs in half if they knew they'd get away with it.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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from your earlier comments where you seem to think that all employers are out to screw over employees its pretty obvious you've got the view that politics is a war between employers and employees and if employers win they'' a) make people work 5 hours a week or b) make them work 60 hours a week.
you have the ideological point of view that humans are not intelligent individuals but stupid and needy who require the paternal influence of the government to tell them what to do.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics It's a known fact that the Liberal government is for business, so yes Howard is for the employers as that's where most of his votes & money/lobiests come from i.e. rich people and business owners.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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stuck on old comments? your previous comments make you uncomfortable don't they since you have completely changed your claims about workchoices. first the thing wrong with them was bosses making their employees work 5 hours a week, now what's wrong with them is they were making them work too many hours a week. make up your mind.
do you have any evidence for these claims? as i keep saying, the statistical facts show that overall workchoices was very beneficial for workers.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I said 5 hrs may have been an exageration, wow what a tragedy, this means maybe its often 10 or 15 hrs, big deal ! still the same point and no I never said there was anything wrong with the comment about working more hrs.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics It's pretty simple, employers make many work too many hrs and many others work too few hrs hence casual with no restrictions or penalty rates & being casual of course the wages will be higher on average but not high compared with what is lost ie sholiday leave & working civilised hrs.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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now you want to have it both ways. you're clutching at straws mate
you know why workchoices were implemented? because unemployment was so long at the time that employees were able to negotiate BETTER WAGES for themselves - as you can see from the actual FACTS. if unemployment was at 10% like it was under labor then you would be right, it would have been bad since employers had no shortage of people to hire and could treat them like shit. but when unemployment gets so long, workers are valuable.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Work choices was Howards idiology for a long time. After it was braught in, Howard said if employees didn't like the conditions they could just get another job.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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"That's great for those who are easily hired"
No, it was good for those who had difficulty getting hired. when unemployment was running in excess of 10% when labor was last in and we had "fair" workplace laws it was these people who were unable to find a job at all. If you didn't do well in an interview, tough no job because it isn't worth taking risks that you won't work out. under howard these people were given a chance - as you can tell by the unemployment rate going DOWN.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Like I said the casualised workforce didn't reflect the true nature of the unemployment rate (at all) & these people were probably still out of work or working less hrs than they were in their previous jobs & many of the good workers were working far more hrs including nights & weekends & according to you they could just a better job or negotiate.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics But the problem is every employer had this flexibility & there were enough emplyees who had to work these hrs going around because the dole was ruthless e.g. no help with matching or improving skills, take this job or your off the dole.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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"there were enough employees"
again, as I said the unemployment rate was so low that trained workers were a COMMODITY. it would not have been in the interest of employers to treat their employees like shit as they needed them. you have no proof whatsoever of your claims. when you realized that your original claim of workers working hardly any time didnt work with pay going up you changed your story.
show me proof in your reply - hard evidence not just union scare tactics.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
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statistics recorded by the ABS labour mobility survey found that under workchoices people who lost their job involuntarily through redundancy, dismissal or lack of work FELL to 1.8% of all people who had held a job in that time period, estimated to be the LOWEST EVER. more evidence that workchoices was BENEFICIAL to workers. i have still not seen a shred of evidence from you however, just emotive arguments spurred on by labor propaganda.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics There are greater factors in the labour market than legislation, remember that. Not that I completely disagree, it's just that these numbers don't account for everything by any means.
BlackLabelEric 1 year ago
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@BlackLabelEric of course, i was merely illustrating the fact that despite all the lies of the unions and labor who would have you believing workchoices instantly led to lower wages and more dismissals, the opposite happened
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics That's great for those who are easily hired but there are many who suck at interviews & creating resumes hence not good at using resources to improve on this but they could do the job allot better than those who know how to sell themselves in the job hunting process, which isn't surprising since school encourages following rather than thinking & teaches us nothing about the real workd so many can't just walk into another job so easily like Howard said.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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mate now you're just spewing labor and union propaganda. I would like to see some proof that this really happened. you do realize that if employers started treating employees like that they'd soon find they didn't have too many people wanting to work for them. people do have a choice when accepting a job you realize. unemployment was so low that employers were desperate for workers and it was going down because they werent afraid to hire more people. SHOW ME PROOF OR SHUT UP.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics The employer did everything it could including trying to sack him so if he refuses to wear the safety equipment & hurts himself then he faces the concequences. That's the best example you could come up with ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Employers tend to be greedy & only concerned about maximising profits, they won't hire loads more staff just because they are easier to fire hence organisations tend to be understaffed regardless of I R laws as employers will try to maximise profits no matter what.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Howard loved blaming the state governments but the liberal states had shitty health care as well. Hospitals and education were at the worst in Australias history under Howard. Where's my proof that the workforce became more casualised ? Well if you paid attention to journalists interviewing Howard you'd see that he never denied this when they brought it up although he did try to side step the question like a good little politition.
zzsharka 1 year ago
when howard came into power the asian financial crisis ruined all the economies in our region - the oz economy had been viewed as the white trash of asia. after 9/11 the US slipped into recession and australia almost did as well. dont pretend there were no challenges during howards time, he rebuilt our economy and ensured that it was strong enough to face the GFC. rudd should thank his lucky stars he inherited a liberal economy and not a labor one.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Like I said the workforce became far more casualised reflecting a B S employment rate. So your solution is to make employment as unfair as possible for employees so that empoyers hire more staff e.g. late nights, weekends killing any family time or put them on part-time so they have to work 2 or 3 jobs killing family time or recreational time again, what sort of life is that ?
zzsharka 1 year ago
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tell me, if all of a sudden all the bosses in australia started putting thousands of workers on 5 hour shifts a week why was there not a massive decline in the average wage? You see that's the big hole in your theory about workchoices being so terrible - AVERAGE wages went up. if average wages go up and employment went down then most people with any common sense would say that the laws were enormously beneficial to australians.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics Ok so 5 hrs per week is an exageration, so in many cases it was its either part time/casual or 60 hrs instead of 40 and when casual there is no holiday leave or sick leave so their wages may have gone up a little but not equal to the holiday & sick leave lost or even the penalty rates, hence why so many business failed even John Howards fairness test so he ended up screwing the employers as well in the end as he only told them about the fairness test afterwards..
zzsharka 1 year ago
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oh i see now, you've stopped claiming that workchoices led to employers massively cutting back working hours and instead forcing them to work MORE hours lol. you've been so emotionally sucked in by the union campaign you're grasping at straws mate - you're making up every single reason under the sun with no evidence at all. what evidence there is clearly shows that thousands of australians were better off and found work as a result of this legislation.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
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no originally you claimed workchoices had resulted in people being forced to work fewer hours and lower unemployment was just because employees were being counted who had to work a few hours a week. when i pointed out this made no sense since wages you went up you started claiming that workchoices had made employees work excessive hours and that was why their pay had gone up. do you have any proof for this? all the evidence points to workchoices being a good thing.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics If the now unemployable get fired without going through the formal 3 written warning process then too bad for the boss. If they end up on the street too easily then crime goes up dramatically. Check the crime stats under Howard after work choices took affect.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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crime increased under howard? really that's funny because they'd be LOWER considering more people had jobs since unemployment was at its lowest points in decades. i made the point that the rudd government has effectively means tested being fired. that's going to scare the shit out of every employer in the nation.
you just flip flop any way you can - making things up and when they're wrong you try to claim something else. the only evidence available is that statistically workchoices benefitted oz
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics You see things in black and white and fail to read between the lines or see grey areas, hence why you are stuck on past comments and cant adapt & can't see that "lower unemployment" was a complete farse if the work is far more casulised, in other words the stats don;t relect the true nature of emploment or wages, who the hell wants to be a caual with hrs all over the place & not knowing if you will work 10 hrs or 60 hrs that week when they have a family to feed & mortgage.
zzsharka 1 year ago
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actually during the liberal years the majority of the voters who earned between 20,000 to 40,000 a year - BELOW THE AVERAGE WAGE - voted for the liberal party. so not, it is not a well known fact, it is left-wing propaganda that you have bought into.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics No if you go from a reasonably good fulltime wage to a minim wage part time or casual wage & can't pay your bills then robbery or selling drugs might seem more attractive to many people..
zzsharka 1 year ago
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"No if you go from a reasonably good fulltime wage to a minim wage part time or casual wage & can't pay your bills"
if so many people lost so much pay then WHY DID WAGES GO UP??????? face it, the results of workchoices were more people were employed and getting paid MORE. unemployment was the lowest in decades and the australian economy was the strongest it had ever been.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago