Thanks for open carrying but i thought that you let the cops go thinking that they won. The AG of UTAH said that his office will not prosecute ANY person for open carrying. The cops need to know this and If you do get in trouble by an uneducated PO then you are advised to call the AG office.
Look up "Open carry cases produces new charges" which is in Madison, Wisconsin. This is how your state laws can get changed. This is how lawyers can win cases they would otherwise lose by citing other states that have ruled on similar laws and get the laws changed. The cops are not being sued and there is a piece of legislation that was ruled back in 2009 that states that carrying a weapon is not "disorderly conduct".
yeah. this is a case where the interpretation of the law comes into effect. they could have cited you with disorderly conduct had you kept open carrying because they believed you intended to cause alarm in a public place even though those were not your intentions.
The cops right he can arrest you for disorderly but you know i conceal carry everyday even with my cpl but its just important to coperate with police cause like he said dont cause problems that anti gun fucks can constantly use against gun enthusists to take away open carry. You shouldnt be open carrying in a school thats just gonna cause problems be it right or wrong. In this case your wrong by the way.
am from england we aint allowed no guns on us but this cop is stupid conseald or open carry he still has a gun and people will see he has a gun on him either open carry or not peoplel are so stupid lol not matter what he will have that gun lol
that is just so lame. you have fact and yet another cop twists it again to get his way. i understand who in there right mind wants to deal with alot of problems (in this case people complaining) then to just deal with "one" that isnt a true problem to fix the mass. disturbing how we as a better word species choose to deal with things
I like how you handled the situation to an extent. I understand that your in school and debates are frequent in that environment. However, I think it would have been better handled if you had immediately complied and courteously informed the officers that you would be in touch with there department and local media about the event. I think the officers impression of you would have been a better one. But that's just my opinion. Other than that I think you handled it very well. good on ya! :)
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no person should be able to carry a gun on campus. The USA is backwards on its gun laws. Unless you are under threat, no civilian should carry a gun, concealed or not. Why do you need it? To protect yourself from a criminal? Most of the time the guy\girl carrying such a weapon becomes the criminal. Guns are meant for sport (target/hunting) or military or police. No reg civilian chould ever, ever carry a concealed weapon.
@ALPHADOG3 just shut up...plz god sake stfu..... YOU'VE never had a gun pointed to your face SOO plz SHUT UP! Ive been robed at gunpoint in my own F***ing home. I carry 24/7 i dont trust the other 10 billion people out there god knows what there up too. Again STFU! COPS cant do shiet for u after u been robed.. decide for ur self
@ALPHADOG3 the second amendment states "a well regulated militia is necessary to secure a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we are gaurenteed the right to carry. Average response time of a cop is 8 min. It takes on average from the moment a criminal enters the home 1min to get to the master bedroom. When seconds matter the cops are minutes away thats why we as civilians must carry, simply to defend ourseleves and those around us.
Cool cop for sure! CUDOS!!....BUT keep your personal opinion to yourself in the same sentance.....If everybody opened carried their firarm, pussys would get use to it!!!!!....It's the criminals that have something to hide!!!
You have a real lack of respect for your fellow students by open carrying. Those cops have a duty to ensure safety on that campus. You are disrupting the learning environment, even if something that is legal. That's why we have disturbing the peace laws.
Stop being an attention whore and conceal the goddamn pistol, before you scare enough people into voting in bills to ban concealed carry too.
I don't open carry (in Texas i cannot anyway) but if more people did, then people would not be 'alarmed', because they would be used to it. political correctness is destroying this country.
Cops are so stupid. They dont study the laws that they constantly accuse others of violating. Guess thats what happens when the only requirements for being a cop are the ability to fog a mirror and a high school diploma.
Well I live in NJ so atleast you know you can protect yourself whether it be open or concealed. I have to hope that a police officer will respond in time to save me and my family. I hate to see things like this happen, but atleast in your state you have some rights.
I just wanted to say that I thought you handled it very well. Did you comply their request and stop pressing your argument because you realized you weren't getting anywhere, or because the stress became overwhelming and you wished to end the confrontation? Or both? Well done either way.
@tacticalteabagger I complied because I figured I would garner more support for the "cause" if I didn't get arrested or charged. (and it worked) I was all over the local news for days afterwords with the support of my local legislators and the Bureau of Criminal Investigation (they regulate CC laws in UT) behind me 100%.
The government will never respect our Natural Rights and the Constitution until elected officials and their enforcers, like this nazi, are hung by the neck from sea to shining sea.
It's only disorderly conduct if the police officer treats it is like disorderly conduct. For example, he should responded to the callers and said, "It's completely legal" and hung up the phone. How it's disorderly conduct is only if you're intentionally slowing business down at the college. The students, because they're uneducated, are only slowing the response time down. The two issues are completely seperate from each other, and there is no crime.
@MajorNickmo You didn't inform anyone of importance, like the Utah Attorney General, about this disparity of past incidences did you? If so, any update?
Causing an alarm or annoyance... so is chewing gum and being black in an all white neighborhood disorderly conduct? A lot of things offend and annoy people. They could censor free speech all they want using disorderly conduct.
open carry is our rights but when idios do it that dont know the law they become ineffective against the police. know the pc codes so when they stop you you can give it to them and shut them up.
I am going to have to side with the cop on this one bro. When I hear the cop, I hear a lot of wisdom and common sense. Despite what you say in your summary blurb, when I listen to you I get the sense you are trying to prove a point or make a statement. From a defensive standpoint, it is not a good idea to open carry, and it is not your job to 'educate' the public. Be wise my friend.
@tdo79 Why is it not his job to educate the public? It's important to have people like this who will inform the ignorant populace. No one's rights are infringed because he wants to exercise his right to open carry. Personally i would conceal it just cause i dont want to be bothered trying to prove something but i appreciate him taking a stand for what's right under the law.
Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. Your business is your business, but may not be someone elses. The very way you phrase your question is why I have a problem with it. You assume just because people don't want to carry guns, want to own guns, want to see guns etc, they are ignorant. You somehow hold yourself above those that are not gun people? It is a right, not an mandate. Keep it in your pants; use it for self defense, not as a political statement.
@tdo79 Woah hold up there, dont accuse me of holding myself above other ppl. stick to the point. My point is he has the right to try educate other people if he wants to if he's not infringing on anyones rights, so your statement lacks logic in that reguard. and im not using the word ignorant in a derogatory way, im just saying that a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge.
I'll try this again. The premise of being an educator assumes a dominant position over that of the student. The tone it gives off is that he is the big man on campus here to educate all the peons. It is offensive, and is not productive. I am not saying he can't do what he is doing, just that he shouldn't. If people want to learn about gun rights they will get a book and read up. Why do you assume people need or want to learn? Live and let live, it is not your job to educate.
@tdo79 "Why do you assume people need or want to learn?"
ITS A UNIVERSITY LOL!. and he said himself he's been open carrying for a while and that was the first time anyone said anything. Its not like he purposely set this up to educate ppl. He's trying to state his rights, that is all.
"The premise of being an educator assumes a dominant position over that of the student."
What???? id have to disagree but thats a whole other subject.
Yeah, a University, where they choose what classes they take. Freedom of Speech also gives you the right to say whatever you like. However, exercising that right can piss a lot of people off, and you can become very annoying. Westboro Baptist Church is the prime example of this, and they defend their actions the same way. If you really want to make a statement, carry an AR-15 around, that is also legal.
Nice job not being confrontational, you managed it well. Man, I am so jealous of your guys rights in the U.S. We don't have it so good up here in Canada :(
It's just as unsafe for the cop to be carrying around his gun as you. Just because he has badge doesn't mean he couldn't go psycho and shoot up a school. I hate Utah cops!
such BS, you are not a "gun nut" and you are taking rights away from Open Carry people. The disorderly thing is crap, I can't believe the officers did more then talk to you about what your doing and then go along their way.
I can understand what the cop is saying as far as people getting scared....... but if it was me, i would open carry my license, get a conceal handgun licensed badge and open carry and sue the hell out of them if they tried to take away my rights. In a case like this i would probably just conceal it and walk away...... if they tried to take my gun........... that's where we would have a problems. Good job man, thanks for the video.
so what's the verdict? do you still open carry or do they make you conceal? I prefer CCW for myself since I'll have the element of surprise, but wouldn't mind if everyone around me open carried.....
Oregon law is worded well I think I'll add this one to my pocket carry of Oregon law.
Disorderly conduct: A person commits the crime of disorderly conduct in the first degree if, WITH INTENT to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or knowingly creating a risk thereof, the person initiates or circulates a report, knowing it to be false
wow this LEO is a dick. Just because people offend you by not doing anything illegal does not be you can be arrested. If people are racist and alarmed by a black person that would mean they could be arrested for disorderly conduct and being black at scool.
You handled yourself in an excellent fashion. This whole thing could have been avoided if when the officer received the phone call and he was asked if it was legal for you to carry open on campus, since it didn't sound as if the person was scared, all the officer had to do was say yes it is legal and clarify that you were not doing anything threatening. End of story.
I know to each his own and I am not criticizing this man's choice to avoid the hassle he's confronted with but I wouldn't have budged with the threat of arrest when you aren't committing any crime. People's irrational fear just isn't enough to get someone convicted. People are scared of black men, people dressed in biker garb and may be frightened of police officers. It doesn't make them criminal.
As much as I am for our rights, I also agree that its better to provide the people the "safe" feeling. You and I carry our guns as a way to keep ourselves and others around us safe. If my openly carried gun started causing someone uneasy feelings then I would say okay, and then cover the gun, maybe give it some time then open carry it again.
To me its like when the gay parade is going on, i know that there are homosexuals all around me, but i am disturbed to see people wearing those outfits and displaying their beliefs in that manner. If i was open carrying and someone felt uncomfortable I would conceal the weapon, and then say there you can feel safer now. Then let a cop try and threaten you with removal.
Also...lol the cop was WAY wrong... and you were right, you are only prohibited from carrying a gun within and on a school grounds unless you have a CCW permit. And the permit exempts you from that law, hence it permits you to carry you gun in any manner you wish where you are legally aloud to carry. Only exemptions being places that prohibit firearms completely.
@Supacrazy82 If you were black and someone felt uneasy about it because they fear black people, would you then go try and scrub your skin off to help ease their concerns?
@Stink808 you see there are some things that cant be changed, and there are some things that can be, its like when im at a local fair and there is some guy smoking. If his smoke is getting in my face or the face of my family I ask the guy to put it out or if he could move a bit. Now he can choose to say "F you" or he might just be nice and understand how his actions are making others uncomfortable. There is no need to be belligerent every time someone asks you to think about others.
@Supacrazy82 If the officers had told the guy to remove his gun and not bring it back to school that would have been a different story, but asking him to conceal it is a nice way of saying that they understand his rights, but they also understand the people who are not as gun friendly have a right to "feel" safe. Even though those students are much safer when this young man is wearing his weapon openly.
The cops were making a terrible argument for their reasons he should conceal it, oh well.
In Alabama for a disorderly conduct charge to hold water you have to show "intent". Good job bro, not sure I would have the brfass to argue as long as you did.
All you people who say that this guy is recording for attention, did you notice that he had a FREAKING LADDER IN HIS HAND? He wasn't waiting on these cops to approach him, he was minding his own business. He stated that he had carried for three previous semesters with no problems. Think people! it's obvious this wasn't done for attention. I would have recorded this too, I hope he freaking sues them!
I wish you would have taken the citation and sued the university or the campus police to prevent what happened to you here from happening to anyone else on your campus.
"Hi there I make up laws/rules that don't exist and threaten you with possible force/legal consequences for following the law!" Comparatively, you don't have it too bad. Come to chicago where only the thugs have guns, you're surrounded by violence and the politicians sell the honest guys out at every turn. sorry man. Unfortunately, you have to be a lawyer these days to survive on the 2nd A. front. an armed society is a polite society.
Wow. This is sad. So what happens if I call the cops and say that that the hot chick in the hip huggers is disturbing the peace by distracting people who should otherwise be driving their car? Are they going to arrest her if she doesn't hide her hotness? What a joke.
Because if he did not comply with they're REQUEST that he conceal the firearm, they could have decide to take him to jail for disorderly conduct, they would confiscate his firearm, possibly waiting months to get it back (sometimes damaged on purpose). But because he did comply, he is able to post this video for all to see, and this officers supervisor or the DA can re-educate the officer on what the CCW permits the carrier to do. IE open carry on a campus.
Tuff decision to make, if you don't have the financial backing to prove a point. Roll the legal dice get a criminal record that will destroy future employment possibilitys. Shouldn't be that way. The NRA needs to send a straw man in to take a ticket. Nice Video
Officer was quite reasonable, but still wrong. Conversation was very respectful on both sides. My response would be to comply with whatever the officer says at the moment, and conceal. But let him know he is wrong, and set a time to sit down with the officer and the proper school leaders, and attorney general if possible, and discuss the issue, because you win.
disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct the ......the threat of choice for all pigs when they have no other reason to charge you. so a student paying fees for college is now trespassing on the campus? god, cops are dumb
you pussy. if you say you are legally allowed to carry on campus why'd you back down. they shoved a load of crap down your throat about disorderly conduct and losing yor academics. the 2nd amendment supercedes the inconveinence of a citizen if there is no legal reason to stop you just because someone sees a gun on your hip). let them arrest you and sew them for false arrest and harrassment. get the point accross. or are you trying to make a point without a point, u gave in ~live free or die NH
Like Nick said, he has been OCing for three semesters and wasn't out to prove a point or be a martyr. He handled it in his own way and you are welcome to handle it in yours. At least he dealt with the problem and intelligently explained his rights to the officers, have you EVER done anything close to that?
These LEO do not know what their talking about. Understand your rights and the law and standby your understanding. These guys are the King's soldiers and are only interested in a disarmed populace. The threat of a disorderly conduct charge is because they know you are in the right! Sometimes you must take a stand!
No sence arguing with a cop...just ask if you can leave and leave if they are don't with you. The Cop sounds like an Oathkeeper. That is a good thing. You should have had one of Sheriff Mack's books and handed him it and went on your way.
I have no intention of spoon-feeding you what you could easily get for yourself. You have outright refused for this long in order to support your agenda, what good would it do?
It is a very amateur debate tool. Bait me into getting the information you won't get on your own, then you just flat out deny it. I wasn't born yesterday.
If you were interested in truth, you would have obtained this information on your own already. It isn't hard to find. You just don't want to find it.
You just aren't worth the trouble. You've taken a stance of citing a law that clearly doesn't say what you repeatedly insist it says. You're a waste of time. I only reply to let you know your taunting isn't working... You claim to have access to the very information that proves your position is horseshit, and still want me to spoon feed you what you already have... I could better spend my time talking to a tree or a wall.
You already know full well how valid it is, you're just being an outright liar wasting peoples' time. You can't goad or provoke me be denying what you've already admitted you know. I don't need to make you eat your words, you did it yourself! Your posts have become increasingly inflammatory since I articulated how I trapped you in your own amateur tactics. You keep trying to drag me back to a point that has already been made, and you're frustrated that I got you to do it yourself!
Hahaha! Wow, the displacement is getting so deep, I'll need to put on my boots...
I can back it up, but with your behavior, I see no reason to. You DO know damn well what the truth is, you've claimed to already know it, yet still deny it.
You were blinded with hate and fell for my ruse. You hung yourself with the rope I gave you. And now that you can see it, you're fuming pissed!
I don't need to cite something that is common knowledge. Grow up.
You already proved it for me by citing law and trying to read a meaning into it that isn't there. After that, it was all downhill for you. Declaring that you think I'm ignorant does not make it so.
I CAN back up my claims, I simply choose not to. I don't have to, you defeated yourself.
You hold in your hands mountains of proof that I don't have to back up. It's so common, it isn't even proper to call it 'my' claim. Just me standing here pointing at a giant heap of information that you are pretending doesn't exist, after saying you have it already....
This is laughable to a point of insanity! and you still try to goad me with "can't?" Whatever!
You made a claim, cited a statue that in no way supports it, yet you keeps screaming that it does.
And the kicker, even if you were right, it still wouldn't matter because the 911 caller WASN'T COMPLAINING!!!! The 911 caller was merely ASKING IF IT WAS LEGAL!!!! The Police then proceeded to behave like this for no damn reason at all!!!!
You are the biggest compound fail in the history of teh interwebz!
No way in hell two of you will goad me into spoon-feeding common-knowledge to you. Denial does not generate a need for a citation. You could spend 30 seconds on google and find a mountain of data, yet you refuse to lift a finger and do the 'cite please' crap instead. You do not seek an answer, you seek juvenile mind games. It really doesn't matter. The evidence surrounds you, you pretend it isn't there to hold you ridiculous stance.
Oh, and you should learn to use "Your" and "You're" properly. It's very hard for you to talk about someone else's level of intelligence, or ignorance, when you can't even use proper grammar and spelling.
In order to remove a splinter from someone's eye, you must first remove the logjam from your own. After which, if you're mature enough, you may realize they had no splinter to begin with......
Kinley1978 can you agree that under Utah state law 76-10-504 and 76-10-505 we all know where a fire arm cannot be taken? and also can you agree that under state law 76-10-523 persons with a CCW are exempt from 76-10-504 and 76-10-505? Can you also agree that whether prudent or not the student in question was obeying the law when the officers approached? With this knowledge do you feel that someone obeying the law should give up their right to do so based on the opinion of another?
There is no point talking to Kinley1978. He/She/It has already shown a propensity to lie and distort to try to fabricate support for his/her/its position. This is a matter of being too immature to accept a belief as a falsehood and discard it in favor of plainly available fact. It takes guts and maturity to walk away from a position when you believe in it. Kinley1978 hasn't got any of either, just cowardly clinging to a dead horse trying desperately to breathe life into it...
Wow, now that is grand! You just spent 3 days eating yours, falling for my ruses to let you hang yourself, and now you say I'm the one who is pissed off and angry.
I'm laughing my ass off every time you do it. This is some of the best entertainment I've ever had!
Also, gentlemen let us refrain from resorting to name calling, it is not a very persuasive debate tactic. Thus far this has been a fairly intelligent debate to which I am thankful. Everyone's opinion is welcome but please base it on sound logic.
And you further diminish your position by posturing without providing any references or sources to your comments.
Look up the link the author provided which has current CC laws. You lack any understanding of Utah CC law. I on the other hand have a current CC as does my wife and most of my family. We have guns, ammo and are very familiar with the laws regarding their legal use, storage and handling.
Thank you for your time. Now I think I'll go play some Counterstrike Source :-)
I already told you two kids from the beginning, I'm not going to cite a damn thing! It doesn't do any good anyway! You two cite things and pretend it has meaning that isn't there. I could cite anything I want and you'd deny it or make up a totally different meaning... It's pointless to argue with someone so intent on lying and distorting. Facts mean nothing to you, why cite them? I no longer have any point I feel the need to make. Beating a horse that has been dead so long it's a fossil?
You did nothing wrong here. I have a CC and have re-read the statues. I don't see the problem but then again I think cops in general don't understand the law as written by our legislature as well as they should.
let me set you straight you self righteous piece of crap, i live in Utah, i carry open 7 days a week. I've never been stopped by a cop in the 10 years I've carried open. that's reality you dense moron. you don't have to like it, but you will learn to live with it. your a sad human being.
@Kinley1978 unless there is a posted sign on the premises, i am not breaking any laws. the 21 year old adult in question did not break any law. he complied with a request from a police officer. clearly your to dense to comprehend the difference. nothing you say will change the fact that your ignorant when it comes to this situation. get the facts, or shut the hell up.
@Kinley1978 hey you pathetic self righteous douchebag. your the most ignorant piece of shit moron that I've ever seen on yt. your head is so far up your ass that your looking out of your own mouth. take your uneducated, ignorant opinion and fuck off.
@Kinley1978 keep living your delusion moron. not you or any other moron will stop me from carrying open. your pathetic and ignorant. those aren't names moron ( that's a name ) those are words that describe your lack of understanding.
Thanks for posting the video. I agree 100% with the poster and applaud his willingness to open carry and "push the issue" as the cop stated. I agree with your quote in the video of a right not excersized is not a right. I wish more states/schools would adopt the laws currently in place in Utah about carrying on campus'; I live in Oregon where hell will freeze over before anything like that would pass (unfortunately!) and it's really too bad. Good for you for knowing your rights!
"Am I free to go?" That is the best thing you could have said!!
When they're threatening you with aggression, it's ok to cave. Aggression by its very nature leaves you with no choice. To resist is still valid and admirable of course.
Open carry is not for education IMHO. That's misguided. Open carry for self-defense and the fastest draw - that's why I do it.
What is happening here is that Kinley is just like these cops. He wants to use the LAW to enforce his OPINION. That is fascist. People like him will throw law abiding citizens in jail because he disagrees with them.
It's pretty simple. Okay, you're within your legal rights. But it's still incredibly foolish. Is it NECESSARY to open-carry. I mean, really, what's the purpose. I know you claim that it's NOT to make a point or anything, but what else is it? And don't give me that bullshit about it being for quicker access in case some nut job comes on campus and starts shooting people.
Guns make me nervous. So just put it away, for my sake. Not a big deal.
@ ZacharyOlpin Im afraid that the law is on the side of the CCW holder even when he chooses to OC. The possibility of making another person "nervous" while in compliance of the law does not mean that he is in the wrong. If you don't like to see guns then move to Kalifornia and every one will be happier.
I'm entirely aware that he's within his rights -- I made that clear. I'm only bothered by the fact that a person would insist on carrying a gun in plain sight where it can make people like me, who deserve to live in Kalifornia, apparently, nervous.
All of us panic-ridden folk COULD move to California. That's a solution. But don't you think it would be a lot easier to just hide your weapons. Honestly, which is more difficult? Exporting a buncha people to California, or hiding some guns?
I don't see critical comments getting deleted, just useless ones based on hate-speech, propaganda, and basic mis-information.
Is it NECESSARY to wear clothes? I mean, you could strip down naked and make me look at your winky at any moment, without warning! You walking around with clothes on makes me nervous, I just never know when you've going to spontaneously get naked for no reason. I don't want to see that! And it makes me nervous! I'm scared! WHAAA!!!!!
I've heard Nick say multiple times that he 'couldn't delete comments fast enough' on these videos (and I paraphrase that).
Well, nothing is NECESSARY sir. LIVING isn't necessary. But things like wearing clothes we do because it brings comfort to ourselves and does so NOT at the expense of anothers'. I wear clothing to stay warm, and cover my body. And it doesn't bother anyone else. Some people carry guns openly because. . . why? And they do it at MY expense. BTW, let's not act like children.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here for you with a crazy hair-brained solution to this dilemma that is causing you soooooo much pain and suffering... pay attention, here it comes...
[ If you don't want to see the gun, don't look at the gun. ]
WHOA! I just concealed the gun for ya, just like you wanted! Isn't magic cool???
Then you claim that 'let's not act like children.' after making up a lie like that?
Did you have to buy the gun for him? Did he shoot you with it? Where is the 'expense' you are paying for? Where is the torture and suffering you are facing?
Please, don't be a child and then accuse others of it, that is soooo transparent, like totally...
When I say "let's not act like children" I'm referring to the juvenile sarcasm and the "I just never know when you've going to spontaneously get naked" and "WHAAA!!!" remarks.
Guns in open light are disconcerting to me. It's as simple as that. It's not "torture." But it is unsettling. I understand that you probably think it should make people feel MORE safe, but it doesn't do that for me. It makes me feel less safe.
It's perfectly okay and natural for people to derive fear from circumstances. Especially beyond our control. However our system of government and laws, especially in Utah, do not allow us to force other individuals to apease our fears.
Some people may be genuinely afraid of guys with a nose ring (because of some past event) that doesn't allow us to force people with nose rings to take them off.
@MrEgoonmyhip whether or not that is in fact the case the debate is still over whether or not a law was broken by the OP. After extensive research on Utah gun law I would submit that the OP was within his legal right to open carry. However after being asked to conceal so as not to "annoy" another student the will full disregard could be construed as Disorderly conduct, which we all know is a BS catch all charge open to any persons own interpretation.
Thanks for open carrying but i thought that you let the cops go thinking that they won. The AG of UTAH said that his office will not prosecute ANY person for open carrying. The cops need to know this and If you do get in trouble by an uneducated PO then you are advised to call the AG office.
jrodrowley 1 month ago
Look up "Open carry cases produces new charges" which is in Madison, Wisconsin. This is how your state laws can get changed. This is how lawyers can win cases they would otherwise lose by citing other states that have ruled on similar laws and get the laws changed. The cops are not being sued and there is a piece of legislation that was ruled back in 2009 that states that carrying a weapon is not "disorderly conduct".
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yeah. this is a case where the interpretation of the law comes into effect. they could have cited you with disorderly conduct had you kept open carrying because they believed you intended to cause alarm in a public place even though those were not your intentions.
forcedexile1 3 months ago
This cop is gay, I cant stand to see stupid cops like this
Pilot135R 5 months ago
So scaring idiots is an offence? How about on Holloween? Is that illegal too?
Do they even have the authority to ban you from campus for -any- reason?
RetSquid 5 months ago
The cops right he can arrest you for disorderly but you know i conceal carry everyday even with my cpl but its just important to coperate with police cause like he said dont cause problems that anti gun fucks can constantly use against gun enthusists to take away open carry. You shouldnt be open carrying in a school thats just gonna cause problems be it right or wrong. In this case your wrong by the way.
jeboyer318443 6 months ago
am from england we aint allowed no guns on us but this cop is stupid conseald or open carry he still has a gun and people will see he has a gun on him either open carry or not peoplel are so stupid lol not matter what he will have that gun lol
Kizerboy444 6 months ago
that is just so lame. you have fact and yet another cop twists it again to get his way. i understand who in there right mind wants to deal with alot of problems (in this case people complaining) then to just deal with "one" that isnt a true problem to fix the mass. disturbing how we as a better word species choose to deal with things
FoxF8 6 months ago
so since the rent a pigs are causing an alarm and annoyance, can they be charged with disordely conduct
michaelf1900 9 months ago
I like how you handled the situation to an extent. I understand that your in school and debates are frequent in that environment. However, I think it would have been better handled if you had immediately complied and courteously informed the officers that you would be in touch with there department and local media about the event. I think the officers impression of you would have been a better one. But that's just my opinion. Other than that I think you handled it very well. good on ya! :)
GonzoSarge 9 months ago
This cop isn't very bright. He says, "the academic part of the school gets involved..."
Aren't all parts of the school academic?
1GodOnlyOne 10 months ago
"you're not breaking the law, but we're going to charge you with a crime." LOL only in the U.S.
chieftp 10 months ago 2
LOL The author of this video is an asshat. I guarantee he doesn't have any friends.
Some some respect to your fellow students.
HecklerBlog 10 months ago
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no person should be able to carry a gun on campus. The USA is backwards on its gun laws. Unless you are under threat, no civilian should carry a gun, concealed or not. Why do you need it? To protect yourself from a criminal? Most of the time the guy\girl carrying such a weapon becomes the criminal. Guns are meant for sport (target/hunting) or military or police. No reg civilian chould ever, ever carry a concealed weapon.
ALPHADOG3 11 months ago
@ALPHADOG3 just shut up...plz god sake stfu..... YOU'VE never had a gun pointed to your face SOO plz SHUT UP! Ive been robed at gunpoint in my own F***ing home. I carry 24/7 i dont trust the other 10 billion people out there god knows what there up too. Again STFU! COPS cant do shiet for u after u been robed.. decide for ur self
s14duma 11 months ago
@ALPHADOG3 the second amendment states "a well regulated militia is necessary to secure a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we are gaurenteed the right to carry. Average response time of a cop is 8 min. It takes on average from the moment a criminal enters the home 1min to get to the master bedroom. When seconds matter the cops are minutes away thats why we as civilians must carry, simply to defend ourseleves and those around us.
jasontrussle 11 months ago
i would beat that cops ass and have him write up something
FirearmsTechnician 11 months ago
Cool cop for sure! CUDOS!!....BUT keep your personal opinion to yourself in the same sentance.....If everybody opened carried their firarm, pussys would get use to it!!!!!....It's the criminals that have something to hide!!!
FlatheadSteve 1 year ago
In a way, I gotta like the one cop that said: "help the poor bastard that tries taking that away from me."
reptile202 1 year ago
You have a real lack of respect for your fellow students by open carrying. Those cops have a duty to ensure safety on that campus. You are disrupting the learning environment, even if something that is legal. That's why we have disturbing the peace laws.
Stop being an attention whore and conceal the goddamn pistol, before you scare enough people into voting in bills to ban concealed carry too.
bankypunk 1 year ago
I don't open carry (in Texas i cannot anyway) but if more people did, then people would not be 'alarmed', because they would be used to it. political correctness is destroying this country.
MakeReadySupply 1 year ago
You are folding to the police state in this country!! WASH, RINSE, REPEAT, THE FOLLOWING:
WHY AM I BEING DETAINED? AM I FREE TO GO?
DO NOT FOLD TO THESE NAZI PRICKS!!
DrKennethNoizewater 1 year ago
Way to bitch out.
Schlitz 1 year ago
Cops are so stupid. They dont study the laws that they constantly accuse others of violating. Guess thats what happens when the only requirements for being a cop are the ability to fog a mirror and a high school diploma.
jbp4182 1 year ago
Thank you for open carrying if I went to school with you I would feel much safer, again Thank you for stressing your rights.
18iscoming4you 1 year ago
Well I live in NJ so atleast you know you can protect yourself whether it be open or concealed. I have to hope that a police officer will respond in time to save me and my family. I hate to see things like this happen, but atleast in your state you have some rights.
vinman1983 1 year ago
I just wanted to say that I thought you handled it very well. Did you comply their request and stop pressing your argument because you realized you weren't getting anywhere, or because the stress became overwhelming and you wished to end the confrontation? Or both? Well done either way.
tacticalteabagger 1 year ago
@tacticalteabagger I complied because I figured I would garner more support for the "cause" if I didn't get arrested or charged. (and it worked) I was all over the local news for days afterwords with the support of my local legislators and the Bureau of Criminal Investigation (they regulate CC laws in UT) behind me 100%.
MajorNickmo 1 year ago
I will say as i have said many times, i will carry, and if this situation happened to me would be miiiiighty different, all it takes is that one time
VoiceofSelf 1 year ago
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PaladinMC8 1 year ago
The government will never respect our Natural Rights and the Constitution until elected officials and their enforcers, like this nazi, are hung by the neck from sea to shining sea.
chadestevens 1 year ago
It's only disorderly conduct if the police officer treats it is like disorderly conduct. For example, he should responded to the callers and said, "It's completely legal" and hung up the phone. How it's disorderly conduct is only if you're intentionally slowing business down at the college. The students, because they're uneducated, are only slowing the response time down. The two issues are completely seperate from each other, and there is no crime.
This is coming from a police officer.
td84 1 year ago 4
@td84 excellent points thanks for posting.
MajorNickmo 1 year ago
@MajorNickmo You didn't inform anyone of importance, like the Utah Attorney General, about this disparity of past incidences did you? If so, any update?
td84 1 year ago
These guys aren't gun nuts, they're just nuts.
clarke7703 1 year ago
Cops in Utah County always have to measure their dicks.
toshroberts 1 year ago
don't give in to those that would suppress your rights.
C00Ltuber 1 year ago
These cops are morons. Trying to charge someone with a crime when they're not doing anything illegal.
naughtyfeline 1 year ago 6
every time i see a police officer carrying a gun i will call the police and report that their is an armed man that is making me uncomfortable
BALJIT147 1 year ago
@BALJIT147 LOL
ComptonCJ 1 year ago
Thank you for open carrying on campus, making us more secure. Liberals live in a imaginary world.
TheASEmaster 1 year ago 2
Causing an alarm or annoyance... so is chewing gum and being black in an all white neighborhood disorderly conduct? A lot of things offend and annoy people. They could censor free speech all they want using disorderly conduct.
safewaysecurity 1 year ago 2
open carry is our rights but when idios do it that dont know the law they become ineffective against the police. know the pc codes so when they stop you you can give it to them and shut them up.
verncurry 1 year ago
I am going to have to side with the cop on this one bro. When I hear the cop, I hear a lot of wisdom and common sense. Despite what you say in your summary blurb, when I listen to you I get the sense you are trying to prove a point or make a statement. From a defensive standpoint, it is not a good idea to open carry, and it is not your job to 'educate' the public. Be wise my friend.
tdo79 1 year ago
@tdo79 Why is it not his job to educate the public? It's important to have people like this who will inform the ignorant populace. No one's rights are infringed because he wants to exercise his right to open carry. Personally i would conceal it just cause i dont want to be bothered trying to prove something but i appreciate him taking a stand for what's right under the law.
jovanbiljon 1 year ago
@jovanbiljon
Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. Your business is your business, but may not be someone elses. The very way you phrase your question is why I have a problem with it. You assume just because people don't want to carry guns, want to own guns, want to see guns etc, they are ignorant. You somehow hold yourself above those that are not gun people? It is a right, not an mandate. Keep it in your pants; use it for self defense, not as a political statement.
tdo79 1 year ago
@tdo79 Woah hold up there, dont accuse me of holding myself above other ppl. stick to the point. My point is he has the right to try educate other people if he wants to if he's not infringing on anyones rights, so your statement lacks logic in that reguard. and im not using the word ignorant in a derogatory way, im just saying that a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge.
jovanbiljon 1 year ago
@jovanbiljon
I'll try this again. The premise of being an educator assumes a dominant position over that of the student. The tone it gives off is that he is the big man on campus here to educate all the peons. It is offensive, and is not productive. I am not saying he can't do what he is doing, just that he shouldn't. If people want to learn about gun rights they will get a book and read up. Why do you assume people need or want to learn? Live and let live, it is not your job to educate.
tdo79 1 year ago
@tdo79 "Why do you assume people need or want to learn?"
ITS A UNIVERSITY LOL!. and he said himself he's been open carrying for a while and that was the first time anyone said anything. Its not like he purposely set this up to educate ppl. He's trying to state his rights, that is all.
"The premise of being an educator assumes a dominant position over that of the student."
What???? id have to disagree but thats a whole other subject.
jovanbiljon 1 year ago
@jovanbiljon
Yeah, a University, where they choose what classes they take. Freedom of Speech also gives you the right to say whatever you like. However, exercising that right can piss a lot of people off, and you can become very annoying. Westboro Baptist Church is the prime example of this, and they defend their actions the same way. If you really want to make a statement, carry an AR-15 around, that is also legal.
tdo79 1 year ago
Nice job not being confrontational, you managed it well. Man, I am so jealous of your guys rights in the U.S. We don't have it so good up here in Canada :(
BrandonEclipse 1 year ago
It's just as unsafe for the cop to be carrying around his gun as you. Just because he has badge doesn't mean he couldn't go psycho and shoot up a school. I hate Utah cops!
cog33dog 1 year ago
such BS, you are not a "gun nut" and you are taking rights away from Open Carry people. The disorderly thing is crap, I can't believe the officers did more then talk to you about what your doing and then go along their way.
ZombieReady556 1 year ago
I understand their point but i think they were a lil out of line.
564955charlie 1 year ago
Is being black in Utah considered disorderly conduct? What about sagging your pants? Alot of things make people feel unsafe...
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
Not to get away from the subject but why is this video sideways?
Lawmtho 1 year ago
@Lawmtho IPhone recorded it sideways
MajorNickmo 1 year ago
your being too nice to this fuckin guy
RunsWitGuns 1 year ago
this is fuckin badass
RunsWitGuns 1 year ago
I can understand what the cop is saying as far as people getting scared....... but if it was me, i would open carry my license, get a conceal handgun licensed badge and open carry and sue the hell out of them if they tried to take away my rights. In a case like this i would probably just conceal it and walk away...... if they tried to take my gun........... that's where we would have a problems. Good job man, thanks for the video.
Eslamizar 1 year ago
u should have never given in i would of made those dicks look like the dumb shits that they are in court
BDBakaJR 1 year ago
Since when does a college have a right to make people feel safe?
g8rjosh 1 year ago
so what's the verdict? do you still open carry or do they make you conceal? I prefer CCW for myself since I'll have the element of surprise, but wouldn't mind if everyone around me open carried.....
PANT3RA 1 year ago
Good job man!!!! I'm proud of you and thank you for being a good ambassador for our 2nd Amendment right.
hickstim 1 year ago
Oregon law is worded well I think I'll add this one to my pocket carry of Oregon law.
Disorderly conduct: A person commits the crime of disorderly conduct in the first degree if, WITH INTENT to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or knowingly creating a risk thereof, the person initiates or circulates a report, knowing it to be false
ithouston 1 year ago
I feel bad the the gun owner he is in a situation he cannot win. eventually it will be you can own the gun but you cannot take it out of the house.
subysuby 1 year ago
You fought the good fight MajorNickmo
wrongfulleaf 1 year ago
Man that sucks.
The college has a right to make people feel safe? BS. As someone that used to teach at NIU feeling safe hasn't saved anyone's lives.
tyhouston5 1 year ago
wow this LEO is a dick. Just because people offend you by not doing anything illegal does not be you can be arrested. If people are racist and alarmed by a black person that would mean they could be arrested for disorderly conduct and being black at scool.
GenitalGrinder69 1 year ago
"causing an alarm or annoyance to somebody"
Aren't the police is doing that to the student?
BooSFla 1 year ago
Your community involvement is probably the only thing that saved you from prosecution? Wow.
tuvoca 1 year ago
You handled yourself in an excellent fashion. This whole thing could have been avoided if when the officer received the phone call and he was asked if it was legal for you to carry open on campus, since it didn't sound as if the person was scared, all the officer had to do was say yes it is legal and clarify that you were not doing anything threatening. End of story.
chainslaughter231 1 year ago
I know to each his own and I am not criticizing this man's choice to avoid the hassle he's confronted with but I wouldn't have budged with the threat of arrest when you aren't committing any crime. People's irrational fear just isn't enough to get someone convicted. People are scared of black men, people dressed in biker garb and may be frightened of police officers. It doesn't make them criminal.
Stink808 1 year ago
As much as I am for our rights, I also agree that its better to provide the people the "safe" feeling. You and I carry our guns as a way to keep ourselves and others around us safe. If my openly carried gun started causing someone uneasy feelings then I would say okay, and then cover the gun, maybe give it some time then open carry it again.
Supacrazy82 1 year ago
@Supacrazy82
To me its like when the gay parade is going on, i know that there are homosexuals all around me, but i am disturbed to see people wearing those outfits and displaying their beliefs in that manner. If i was open carrying and someone felt uncomfortable I would conceal the weapon, and then say there you can feel safer now. Then let a cop try and threaten you with removal.
Supacrazy82 1 year ago
@Supacrazy82
Also...lol the cop was WAY wrong... and you were right, you are only prohibited from carrying a gun within and on a school grounds unless you have a CCW permit. And the permit exempts you from that law, hence it permits you to carry you gun in any manner you wish where you are legally aloud to carry. Only exemptions being places that prohibit firearms completely.
Supacrazy82 1 year ago
@Supacrazy82 If you were black and someone felt uneasy about it because they fear black people, would you then go try and scrub your skin off to help ease their concerns?
Stink808 1 year ago
@Stink808 you see there are some things that cant be changed, and there are some things that can be, its like when im at a local fair and there is some guy smoking. If his smoke is getting in my face or the face of my family I ask the guy to put it out or if he could move a bit. Now he can choose to say "F you" or he might just be nice and understand how his actions are making others uncomfortable. There is no need to be belligerent every time someone asks you to think about others.
Supacrazy82 1 year ago
@Supacrazy82 If the officers had told the guy to remove his gun and not bring it back to school that would have been a different story, but asking him to conceal it is a nice way of saying that they understand his rights, but they also understand the people who are not as gun friendly have a right to "feel" safe. Even though those students are much safer when this young man is wearing his weapon openly.
The cops were making a terrible argument for their reasons he should conceal it, oh well.
Supacrazy82 1 year ago
In Alabama for a disorderly conduct charge to hold water you have to show "intent". Good job bro, not sure I would have the brfass to argue as long as you did.
monkeytown1 1 year ago
All you people who say that this guy is recording for attention, did you notice that he had a FREAKING LADDER IN HIS HAND? He wasn't waiting on these cops to approach him, he was minding his own business. He stated that he had carried for three previous semesters with no problems. Think people! it's obvious this wasn't done for attention. I would have recorded this too, I hope he freaking sues them!
mst37 1 year ago
I wish you would have taken the citation and sued the university or the campus police to prevent what happened to you here from happening to anyone else on your campus.
Fluke3535 1 year ago
"Hi there I make up laws/rules that don't exist and threaten you with possible force/legal consequences for following the law!" Comparatively, you don't have it too bad. Come to chicago where only the thugs have guns, you're surrounded by violence and the politicians sell the honest guys out at every turn. sorry man. Unfortunately, you have to be a lawyer these days to survive on the 2nd A. front. an armed society is a polite society.
YesMyNameIsColt 1 year ago
Wow. This is sad. So what happens if I call the cops and say that that the hot chick in the hip huggers is disturbing the peace by distracting people who should otherwise be driving their car? Are they going to arrest her if she doesn't hide her hotness? What a joke.
Forsaken294349 1 year ago
@jademonkey0123
Because if he did not comply with they're REQUEST that he conceal the firearm, they could have decide to take him to jail for disorderly conduct, they would confiscate his firearm, possibly waiting months to get it back (sometimes damaged on purpose). But because he did comply, he is able to post this video for all to see, and this officers supervisor or the DA can re-educate the officer on what the CCW permits the carrier to do. IE open carry on a campus.
kinney2040 1 year ago
Tuff decision to make, if you don't have the financial backing to prove a point. Roll the legal dice get a criminal record that will destroy future employment possibilitys. Shouldn't be that way. The NRA needs to send a straw man in to take a ticket. Nice Video
Buster2058 1 year ago
Officer was quite reasonable, but still wrong. Conversation was very respectful on both sides. My response would be to comply with whatever the officer says at the moment, and conceal. But let him know he is wrong, and set a time to sit down with the officer and the proper school leaders, and attorney general if possible, and discuss the issue, because you win.
American556 1 year ago
The Cops are gun guys, but you shouldn't be--typical.
Mikevdog 1 year ago
Cop does not know the law.
Mikevdog 1 year ago
disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct the ......the threat of choice for all pigs when they have no other reason to charge you. so a student paying fees for college is now trespassing on the campus? god, cops are dumb
XXXXXpimptaddyone 1 year ago
you pussy. if you say you are legally allowed to carry on campus why'd you back down. they shoved a load of crap down your throat about disorderly conduct and losing yor academics. the 2nd amendment supercedes the inconveinence of a citizen if there is no legal reason to stop you just because someone sees a gun on your hip). let them arrest you and sew them for false arrest and harrassment. get the point accross. or are you trying to make a point without a point, u gave in ~live free or die NH
jademonkey0123 1 year ago
Like Nick said, he has been OCing for three semesters and wasn't out to prove a point or be a martyr. He handled it in his own way and you are welcome to handle it in yours. At least he dealt with the problem and intelligently explained his rights to the officers, have you EVER done anything close to that?
uvlax22 1 year ago 10
Ok. I guess Utah CC law means nothing to this kids. Sending his messages to /dev/null.
Chow.
u235sentinel 1 year ago
These LEO do not know what their talking about. Understand your rights and the law and standby your understanding. These guys are the King's soldiers and are only interested in a disarmed populace. The threat of a disorderly conduct charge is because they know you are in the right! Sometimes you must take a stand!
californiaflash 1 year ago 11
No sence arguing with a cop...just ask if you can leave and leave if they are don't with you. The Cop sounds like an Oathkeeper. That is a good thing. You should have had one of Sheriff Mack's books and handed him it and went on your way.
GunClingingPalin 1 year ago 4
I have no intention of spoon-feeding you what you could easily get for yourself. You have outright refused for this long in order to support your agenda, what good would it do?
It is a very amateur debate tool. Bait me into getting the information you won't get on your own, then you just flat out deny it. I wasn't born yesterday.
If you were interested in truth, you would have obtained this information on your own already. It isn't hard to find. You just don't want to find it.
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
I can. But I'm not falling for the "you're inept' goading stunt either.
If you have access to case law on this subject, then you already knew from the beginning that your argument was a steaming load of giraffe guano.
And that, sir/ma'am, is how you give someone enough rope to hang themselves.
You just admitted to failing your own position.
THAT was MY goal. Historical case law isn't going to change, so I have no need to debate it or feed it to you. I just wanted you to expose yourself.
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You've made such a jackass of yourself, I just don't care anymore.
77camosoul 1 year ago 2
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You just aren't worth the trouble. You've taken a stance of citing a law that clearly doesn't say what you repeatedly insist it says. You're a waste of time. I only reply to let you know your taunting isn't working... You claim to have access to the very information that proves your position is horseshit, and still want me to spoon feed you what you already have... I could better spend my time talking to a tree or a wall.
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You already know full well how valid it is, you're just being an outright liar wasting peoples' time. You can't goad or provoke me be denying what you've already admitted you know. I don't need to make you eat your words, you did it yourself! Your posts have become increasingly inflammatory since I articulated how I trapped you in your own amateur tactics. You keep trying to drag me back to a point that has already been made, and you're frustrated that I got you to do it yourself!
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
Hahaha! Wow, the displacement is getting so deep, I'll need to put on my boots...
I can back it up, but with your behavior, I see no reason to. You DO know damn well what the truth is, you've claimed to already know it, yet still deny it.
You were blinded with hate and fell for my ruse. You hung yourself with the rope I gave you. And now that you can see it, you're fuming pissed!
I don't need to cite something that is common knowledge. Grow up.
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
Yay, I read it again!
I can count to potato!
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You already proved it for me by citing law and trying to read a meaning into it that isn't there. After that, it was all downhill for you. Declaring that you think I'm ignorant does not make it so.
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
We were at a dead lock a long time ago!
I CAN back up my claims, I simply choose not to. I don't have to, you defeated yourself.
You hold in your hands mountains of proof that I don't have to back up. It's so common, it isn't even proper to call it 'my' claim. Just me standing here pointing at a giant heap of information that you are pretending doesn't exist, after saying you have it already....
This is laughable to a point of insanity! and you still try to goad me with "can't?" Whatever!
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You made a claim, cited a statue that in no way supports it, yet you keeps screaming that it does.
And the kicker, even if you were right, it still wouldn't matter because the 911 caller WASN'T COMPLAINING!!!! The 911 caller was merely ASKING IF IT WAS LEGAL!!!! The Police then proceeded to behave like this for no damn reason at all!!!!
You are the biggest compound fail in the history of teh interwebz!
77camosoul 1 year ago
I'm still digging through all your posts and am waiting to FIND a single post where you are backing up your claims.
Cite reference/claims please.
u235sentinel 1 year ago
No way in hell two of you will goad me into spoon-feeding common-knowledge to you. Denial does not generate a need for a citation. You could spend 30 seconds on google and find a mountain of data, yet you refuse to lift a finger and do the 'cite please' crap instead. You do not seek an answer, you seek juvenile mind games. It really doesn't matter. The evidence surrounds you, you pretend it isn't there to hold you ridiculous stance.
77camosoul 1 year ago
Oh, and you should learn to use "Your" and "You're" properly. It's very hard for you to talk about someone else's level of intelligence, or ignorance, when you can't even use proper grammar and spelling.
In order to remove a splinter from someone's eye, you must first remove the logjam from your own. After which, if you're mature enough, you may realize they had no splinter to begin with......
77camosoul 1 year ago
Kinley1978 can you agree that under Utah state law 76-10-504 and 76-10-505 we all know where a fire arm cannot be taken? and also can you agree that under state law 76-10-523 persons with a CCW are exempt from 76-10-504 and 76-10-505? Can you also agree that whether prudent or not the student in question was obeying the law when the officers approached? With this knowledge do you feel that someone obeying the law should give up their right to do so based on the opinion of another?
Bluewidowr1 1 year ago
There is no point talking to Kinley1978. He/She/It has already shown a propensity to lie and distort to try to fabricate support for his/her/its position. This is a matter of being too immature to accept a belief as a falsehood and discard it in favor of plainly available fact. It takes guts and maturity to walk away from a position when you believe in it. Kinley1978 hasn't got any of either, just cowardly clinging to a dead horse trying desperately to breathe life into it...
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
Wow, now that is grand! You just spent 3 days eating yours, falling for my ruses to let you hang yourself, and now you say I'm the one who is pissed off and angry.
I'm laughing my ass off every time you do it. This is some of the best entertainment I've ever had!
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
At least we can agree on how retarded it is...
77camosoul 1 year ago
Also, gentlemen let us refrain from resorting to name calling, it is not a very persuasive debate tactic. Thus far this has been a fairly intelligent debate to which I am thankful. Everyone's opinion is welcome but please base it on sound logic.
Bluewidowr1 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
If you want to be cruel, tell Kinley1978 that the tooth fairy/santa claus/easter bunny isn't real...
77camosoul 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
since when?
;-)
u235sentinel 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
And you further diminish your position by posturing without providing any references or sources to your comments.
Look up the link the author provided which has current CC laws. You lack any understanding of Utah CC law. I on the other hand have a current CC as does my wife and most of my family. We have guns, ammo and are very familiar with the laws regarding their legal use, storage and handling.
Thank you for your time. Now I think I'll go play some Counterstrike Source :-)
u235sentinel 1 year ago
I already told you two kids from the beginning, I'm not going to cite a damn thing! It doesn't do any good anyway! You two cite things and pretend it has meaning that isn't there. I could cite anything I want and you'd deny it or make up a totally different meaning... It's pointless to argue with someone so intent on lying and distorting. Facts mean nothing to you, why cite them? I no longer have any point I feel the need to make. Beating a horse that has been dead so long it's a fossil?
77camosoul 1 year ago
You did nothing wrong here. I have a CC and have re-read the statues. I don't see the problem but then again I think cops in general don't understand the law as written by our legislature as well as they should.
Thanks for sharing!
u235sentinel 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
let me set you straight you self righteous piece of crap, i live in Utah, i carry open 7 days a week. I've never been stopped by a cop in the 10 years I've carried open. that's reality you dense moron. you don't have to like it, but you will learn to live with it. your a sad human being.
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
@Kinley1978 unless there is a posted sign on the premises, i am not breaking any laws. the 21 year old adult in question did not break any law. he complied with a request from a police officer. clearly your to dense to comprehend the difference. nothing you say will change the fact that your ignorant when it comes to this situation. get the facts, or shut the hell up.
mdjbm 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
@Kinley1978 hey you pathetic self righteous douchebag. your the most ignorant piece of shit moron that I've ever seen on yt. your head is so far up your ass that your looking out of your own mouth. take your uneducated, ignorant opinion and fuck off.
mdjbm 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
@Kinley1978 keep living your delusion moron. not you or any other moron will stop me from carrying open. your pathetic and ignorant. those aren't names moron ( that's a name ) those are words that describe your lack of understanding.
mdjbm 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
Kinley won't be back.
solomon8833 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
Thanks for posting the video. I agree 100% with the poster and applaud his willingness to open carry and "push the issue" as the cop stated. I agree with your quote in the video of a right not excersized is not a right. I wish more states/schools would adopt the laws currently in place in Utah about carrying on campus'; I live in Oregon where hell will freeze over before anything like that would pass (unfortunately!) and it's really too bad. Good for you for knowing your rights!
amcardon 1 year ago
"Am I free to go?" That is the best thing you could have said!!
When they're threatening you with aggression, it's ok to cave. Aggression by its very nature leaves you with no choice. To resist is still valid and admirable of course.
Open carry is not for education IMHO. That's misguided. Open carry for self-defense and the fastest draw - that's why I do it.
georgedonnelly 1 year ago
What is happening here is that Kinley is just like these cops. He wants to use the LAW to enforce his OPINION. That is fascist. People like him will throw law abiding citizens in jail because he disagrees with them.
solomon8833 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
You should stop deleting critical comments.
It's pretty simple. Okay, you're within your legal rights. But it's still incredibly foolish. Is it NECESSARY to open-carry. I mean, really, what's the purpose. I know you claim that it's NOT to make a point or anything, but what else is it? And don't give me that bullshit about it being for quicker access in case some nut job comes on campus and starts shooting people.
Guns make me nervous. So just put it away, for my sake. Not a big deal.
ZacharyOlpin 1 year ago
@ ZacharyOlpin Im afraid that the law is on the side of the CCW holder even when he chooses to OC. The possibility of making another person "nervous" while in compliance of the law does not mean that he is in the wrong. If you don't like to see guns then move to Kalifornia and every one will be happier.
Bluewidowr1 1 year ago
I'm entirely aware that he's within his rights -- I made that clear. I'm only bothered by the fact that a person would insist on carrying a gun in plain sight where it can make people like me, who deserve to live in Kalifornia, apparently, nervous.
All of us panic-ridden folk COULD move to California. That's a solution. But don't you think it would be a lot easier to just hide your weapons. Honestly, which is more difficult? Exporting a buncha people to California, or hiding some guns?
ZacharyOlpin 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
I don't see critical comments getting deleted, just useless ones based on hate-speech, propaganda, and basic mis-information.
Is it NECESSARY to wear clothes? I mean, you could strip down naked and make me look at your winky at any moment, without warning! You walking around with clothes on makes me nervous, I just never know when you've going to spontaneously get naked for no reason. I don't want to see that! And it makes me nervous! I'm scared! WHAAA!!!!!
77camosoul 1 year ago
I've heard Nick say multiple times that he 'couldn't delete comments fast enough' on these videos (and I paraphrase that).
Well, nothing is NECESSARY sir. LIVING isn't necessary. But things like wearing clothes we do because it brings comfort to ourselves and does so NOT at the expense of anothers'. I wear clothing to stay warm, and cover my body. And it doesn't bother anyone else. Some people carry guns openly because. . . why? And they do it at MY expense. BTW, let's not act like children.
ZacharyOlpin 1 year ago
I'm gonna go out on a limb here for you with a crazy hair-brained solution to this dilemma that is causing you soooooo much pain and suffering... pay attention, here it comes...
[ If you don't want to see the gun, don't look at the gun. ]
WHOA! I just concealed the gun for ya, just like you wanted! Isn't magic cool???
MajorNickmo 1 year ago
How can it possibly be 'at my expense?'
Then you claim that 'let's not act like children.' after making up a lie like that?
Did you have to buy the gun for him? Did he shoot you with it? Where is the 'expense' you are paying for? Where is the torture and suffering you are facing?
Please, don't be a child and then accuse others of it, that is soooo transparent, like totally...
77camosoul 1 year ago
When I say "let's not act like children" I'm referring to the juvenile sarcasm and the "I just never know when you've going to spontaneously get naked" and "WHAAA!!!" remarks.
Guns in open light are disconcerting to me. It's as simple as that. It's not "torture." But it is unsettling. I understand that you probably think it should make people feel MORE safe, but it doesn't do that for me. It makes me feel less safe.
ZacharyOlpin 1 year ago
@ZacharyOlpin That is because you are ignorant. Sorry, but it is true.
solomon8833 1 year ago
I'm simply pointing out how juvenile and sarcastic your own commentary is.
How you FEEL is irrelevant. There is no law against making you feel a certain way, because it's all in your head, as you admitted.
Your FEELINGS are counter-intuitive, and not grounds for stripping someone of their rights, or actually BEING safe.
Do Black people or Gay people make you 'FEEL' a certain way? Then why do Armed people?
It's all in your head. Hate is still hate, no matter the target.
77camosoul 1 year ago
@ZacharyOlpin
It's perfectly okay and natural for people to derive fear from circumstances. Especially beyond our control. However our system of government and laws, especially in Utah, do not allow us to force other individuals to apease our fears.
Some people may be genuinely afraid of guys with a nose ring (because of some past event) that doesn't allow us to force people with nose rings to take them off.
Nuttycomputer 1 year ago 2
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
thank you very much for being well informed on the subject and for having the balls to actually open carry when so many others are afraid to do so!
hills214 1 year ago 3
This cop is a traitor.
77camosoul 1 year ago
Strong words, but considering he is a self proclaimed "Gun nut" I would be compelled to agree.
Bluewidowr1 1 year ago
@MrEgoonmyhip whether or not that is in fact the case the debate is still over whether or not a law was broken by the OP. After extensive research on Utah gun law I would submit that the OP was within his legal right to open carry. However after being asked to conceal so as not to "annoy" another student the will full disregard could be construed as Disorderly conduct, which we all know is a BS catch all charge open to any persons own interpretation.
Bluewidowr1 1 year ago
I agree with you. But after my extensive research I think it was a attention ploy.
MY opinion.
MrEgoonmyhip 1 year ago
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Kinley1978 1 year ago
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