Pavarotti/Ghiaurov- Verdi Requiem 1967

[konticsjozsef]

Egy másik felvételen 1970-es dátum van írva,most melyik a valós???

[Sunflowers159]

Incredible - made me cry!

[janejones11]

Fantastic singing by both !

[Baritanist]

This is shit. Pavarotti has a small constricted voice. Ghiaurov blows him away.

[TommyHaegin]

Nobody can sing "Voca me cum benedictis" come Nicolai the Great!

[aletibet]

I like it better...I love the mistake at 2:14... It's delightful...

[zaurtrien]

@aletibet the mistake began at 0:07, just kidding

[animumaurarium]

1:37 What the heck is the orchestra doing?

[GuitarBill13]

@animumaurarium it's not the orchestra but the signal from the TV that transmits the programme

[dana1981rf]

esta metiendo un ki, tramposillo

[capricornmonik]

Nikolai Ghiaurov was one of the best Bulgarian opera singers!Here he is "a teenager" in opera singing but already famous more than Pavarotti:)

[sopranosd]

Isn't this the same video that is posted as being from 1970?

[maxhansendk]

Strange how much Pavarotti looks like "the great Jussi bjorling" here. Even the singing is up to par! Which is no small feat...

This version and Jussi Bjorlings "Ingemisco" are the best for me.

[sopranosd]

@maxhansendk - You're right. They sound alike, especially on the high notes. Pav. is at his sweetest and most technically authoritative here. I wish he had not gone on to sing the 'big' roles. They gave his voice a little edge that detracted from the beauty of his sound. Bjorling was more consistent, I think, but of course he died young, and thus did not have the chance to demonstrate whether his sound or technique would deteriorate.) And this Ghiaurov character is terrific! Gorgeous sound

[maxtanz]

miHi quoque.

[Catholicsmoker]

@maxtanz Actually, Pavarotti is pronounces the word "mihi" correctly. Even though it has an "h," it is pronounced like a "k" in Ecclesiastical Latin. It is very rare that you find tenors pronouncing this word correctly in this piece. I assume the tenors are told to pronounce it as it would be said in Italian, since the rest of Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced identically to Italian. It is quite refreshing.

[maxtanz]

@Catholicsmoker esattamente.

[goldenthroat86]

@Catholicsmoker Quite true...Also the word nihil=neekeel.

[dermie12]

he is so great he looks at his score then at the conductor like the smallest of us must.

[peterpan0018]

Ghiaurov voice is so deep, only Cristoff is better than him..

[A7madeus]

@peterpan0018 listen to Talvela singing this

[QuiRan82]

@ 302MarkVII

That was Pavarotti :) He wanted to begin earlier :) I think, it is nice, makes him human. And I just love that tenor :) He is my hero!!

[QuiRan82]

Oh how I love that... QUANTO E BELLA!! :)

[302MarkVII]

What was that @ 2:13?!

[kacourse]

Bravissimo

[davisbone]

in 2:13 he enters 1 bar too early!!

[JordanQueipo]

Nearly perfict. To opine otherwise is churlish!

[lelecoloco]

opinons, opinions, opinions!!!!

[fiercejarret]

I still say the definitive Verdi Requiem is with Price, Cossotto, Pavarotti, and Ghiaurov!!

[Pollione88]

Wonderful! However, he messes up a 2:13 when his entrance comes to soon! :)

[fiercejarret]

wow i could barely hear that! :)

[bodiloto]

Ghiaurov Sublime ! Pavarotti aveva una bellissima voce di tenore lirico leggero,dal vivo per me la voce di Pavarotti non era Verdiana .

[AleBro83]

@bodiloto Pavarotti aveva una voce meravigliosa DONIZETTIANA. Chi definisce Pavarotti una voce verdiana non è MAI entrato in un teatro. Saluti carissimo

[bodiloto]

@AleBro83 parole sante amico mio,parole sante ! Con molta stima carissimo.

[ludwigna78]

@AleBro83 Sì, sì, infatti! Il Riccardo di Pavarotti non vale niente! Ma per favore! Non diciamo eresie!

[AleBro83]

@ludwigna78 Riccardo di Pavarotti è uno dei migliori della storia, come è anche il miglior Duca di Mantova della storia, uno dei migliori Rodolfo della storia, il miglior Nemorino in assoluto....AMO PAVAROTTI ho qualsiasi cosa su di LUI dai CD ai DVD, tutte le registrazioni di quando era ospite nelle trasmissioni. LUI STESSO DEFINI' LA SUA VOCE DONIZETTIANA, non lo dico Io.....lo disse da BRUNO VESPA per i suoi 40anni di carriera. Saluti.

[86rish]

The subito piano on the first repetition of "dextra" is magical. After the power of "statuens in parte," the control he shows with that little melodic ornament is just hair-raisingly stunning...also, look at the control in his face from 2.30-2.40 (ish) - just stunning!

[Chutson353]

Heaven Heaven Heaven -

[jackylen57]

Merveilleux tous les deux mais j'ai une préférence pour Pavarotti !

Dommage que la vidéo s'arrête si vite !

[fabouw]

The greatest tenor and bass together!!

[ludwigna78]

@ bodiloto: ma hai mai ascoltato Pavarotti dal vivo? Da quello che scrivi non credo proprio....

[bodiloto]

@ludwigna78 se avete ascoltato dal vivo Pavarotti con la sua voce enorme,scura, drammatica Verdiana che impotanza ha per lei quello che scrivo ?Per me Ghiaurov aveva una bellissima voce Verdiana,Pavarotti aveva una bella voce di tenore lirico leggero e spesso microfonato Per me l'ultimo vero tenore Verdiano si chiamava Giuseppe Giacomini ,dopo lui e finita ...

[AleBro83]

@ludwigna78Pavarotti aveva una voce meravigliosa DONIZETTIANA. Chi definisce Pavarotti una voce verdiana non è MAI entrato in un teatro. Saluti carissimo

[angeldelosilaos]

¡Qué dos auténticos portentos!

[phako09]

hermoso

[DesignerFreak]

NOOO!!! How can it stop just before the Dies Irae section?!

[OperaBaritoneJoe]

thats youtube for ya

[tCrOMez1990]

@DesignerFreak i was so disappointed

[DesignerFreak]

Does anyone know where this was recorded?

I'm guessing an Italian (possibly Tuscan?) church/cathedral, as I spotted the Medici coat of arms about half way through.

[wattever333]

who is conducting? why are the soloists having trouble with the rhythm? which church is this? I can't find anything about this 1967 in google. the only one I find is karajan. Could this be 1970? that would be Abbado at the Vatican.

[dolicimani]

pavarotti as his vocal best

[ombramaifu]

se è quello con abbado e la horne io sapevo che era del 1970..

[ahmad123987]

i think u can find this in color on youtube

[CONTESTAR]

The doubtable artistic interventions of the director showing us details of the cathedral's architecture when these divine voices sing their most beautiful lines really gets me.

The only video that bits that is Karajan's self enamored filming of the same work! with the same male principals.

[meo2imma]

Thanks, Mooorhe, for that information. What a quartet ! I just wish I could have been there.

[meo2imma]

I hesitate to intrude on the private grief of the duologue about perfect pitch, but may I simply return to the video? Pavarotti looks quite nervous at the beginning so the early entry at 2.14 is perhaps not surprising, but how marvellous to hear the delicacy of his performance, such beautiful variation in shading and colour, perhaps not so prevalent in his later work. And, of course, the inimitable Ghiaurov. Does anyone know who were the women soloists in this performance?

[Mooorhe]

Renata Scotto and Marilyn Horne were the female artists in this artistic triumph.

[ellocoleche]

gande ghiarov

[operabuff23]

It is a proven fact that Pavarotti had perfect pitch. There are numerous interviews and shows during which he demonstrates his ability as pianist and conductor Richard Bonynge and others play single notes on the piano and Pavarotti always identifies the note exactly. Also, he could barely read any sheet music, which is why he relied on listening to records to learn his parts. All the major biographies and interviews with collaborators confirm this.

[ILoveTobin]

cornificius - and how do you think he knew it was a F scale without seeing the piano keys? A wild guess turned out to be lucky? No. He had the perfect pitch, that's why he recognized the tone. And by the way - he asked if he had made and open F or covered, because he knew it was open, but he checked if everybody else noticed. So who's crawling back to his rock now? Not me and certainly not Inquisitive.

[cornificius22vain]

The answer is that he did not know. Have you seen the video? He ASKS Bonynge: "did I touch the F?". Why would he ask, if he had perfect pitch? Don't waste my time, do crawl back under your rock if you don't get lost in the way.

[ILoveTobin]

So how did he know that it was the F that he did or didn't touch? Think with your head. You're trying to refute things that had already been proved.

[cornificius22vain]

You seem to have a problem with your listening (&reading) comprehension. Once again: he did not know it was F. That is why he asks: did I touch the F?

Consider the analogous situation: someone listen and asks: Mr. Pavarotti, have you sung the F? That means: did you reach the F or not? Ony a person with relative pitch can ask this.

[ILoveTobin]

Jesus, I feel there's no point of an argument with such an ignorant person who apparently knows nothing about music.

[cornificius22vain]

Yet you haven't produced any valid criticism of my views. You have just misinterpreted a video where Pavarotti clearly shows he has no perfect pitch (since he asks whether a certain chord has just been played on the piano or not). Admit it: you are simply wrong.

[ILoveTobin]

corn - umm... maybe you could watch my latest Pav video, somewhere in the middle there's an interview with him about his pitch. You could also read his biography and some other articles about him.. maybe then you'll understand at least a little something about what we're having this argument.

[cornificius22vain]

And maybe you should think correctly and address the evidence without trusting mere testimony. Pavarotti also said about himself that he could read music (which is false, as can also be shown quite unambiguously).

Now stop wasting my time and apologize.

[ILoveTobin]

Well, he didn't read the orchestra score, but he read his parts. He definitely knew how to read music, it's a myth, that he didn't.

[cornificius22vain]

tobin...ywan, I watched your video. Pava says in the middle he realised that a harp was flat. Perfect pitch is not necessary to detect flat notes, and a person with relative pitch can have an extremely sensitive ear. Enough.

[ILoveTobin]

God, why am I doing this? Ok, as I said, you need to read more before you start throwing around with nonsense. You're point is incorrect as far as it is about Pav, but about other things you can consider yourself as a point-head.

[cornificius22vain]

1) You don't know if I need to read more, since you don't know what I have read.

2) If you think I need to correct something, just point it out.

3) My point about Pavarotti is simply PROVEN by the video in question, which you evidently misinterpreted.

4) When no argument is available, zealots resort to ad hominems. A true constant of human behaviour.

[ILoveTobin]

That video doesn't prove anything. I don't know, why do you have that silly fanciful conception in your mind, that it does.

[eduardcastroriadis]

I have already said why it does, you just haven't paid attention. Oncd again: nobody with perfect pitch can ask whether he has or hasn't sung an F, esp. when he is being accomoanied by a pianist who plays simple major chords one after the other. Why is this so difficult to understand?

[eduardcastroriadis]

sorry, this was me from another computer

[cornificius22vain]

Thus "you are trying to 'prove' things that have already been refuted", if I may add this kind of redundant comment of which you are so fond.

[ILoveTobin]

Pavarotti looked better with a beard, that's for sure. He had a perfect pitch (I read someone' s in argument about that) and this was something incredible to listen! Bravi!

[tauromaniac]

who would be filming the ceilling of the church instead of shooting the singers?

[MonoRec88]

Does he come in at 2:14 by mistake?

Great performance nonetheless!

[tauromaniac]

yes a little bit...very good! good ear

[MARISOLDELMONACO]

Bravo Luciano. uno dei piu grandi tenori del secolo scorso.Ghiaurov ecezionale voce.

[Hannan68]

PURE MAGIC !!!! RIP

[maciney]

La perfection, tout simplement la perfection!

[sagalat]

Sensational.  Off the charts. BRAVI

[juliewittman]

The standard!! Pitch, accent, timming !! All Tenors Listen and learn!!

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Corn-The problem is you as you suffer from an inferiority complex for you're a nobody! Now be a good boy a live with it.

[drawdem]

Let's not forget the quality of Ghiaurov ;)

[steinway1901]

Love Pavarotti's use of head voice, sounds so sensitive. The director of this video must have thought much of the the conductor who is barely pictured.

[liquidfreak]

He got very handsome when he got older

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Joele-How do you know as a 18 yo clueless fiddlestick? Just because you've read it somewhere it does NOT make it a fact. And to which phase of his career are you referring! Run Joele, run! Try find that article which you cluelessly recited here. Maybe you'll find another answer to memorize and spit out here! Nice going Sherlock! lol

[esfuenza]

I am curious as to if Pavarotti would ever sing the bass part, and how low could he sing? (Just to sing it for fun, not in concert.)

[jppooch]

Um, funny you should muse on that. I joked around with the Confutatis in a rehearsal when the bass soloist missed a train connection. Just hot air on the the last bit of the maledictus. It was good for a laugh from the chours though....

[Joeleole]

Pavarotti did not have a particularly strong lower register. However he had terrific high notes so more than compensated! :D

[verdi37]

very nice thankyou.

[terronissimo]

Di pavarotti non mi é mai troppo piaciuto

il personaggio ... ma la sua voce é incomparabile.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Saod-I was referring to the rarity of tenor voices among the male population in comparison to the baritone and bass voices. It's a statistical matter. In terms of education, some people would strongly disagree with your comment, however.

[soadfannumeroone]

actually tenor voices are more easy to tune because you either have it or you dont so true tenors dont have to go thru the training required to be a bass because ur vocal chords need to be trained to go deep in the low frequency range so in reality yes tenors are rare but they are overpaid because they have less work to do then bass and baritones in perfecting their voices

[Nater389]

Lol! Man, you have no idea what you're talking about. 4ever, was right.

[dibeling]

HAHAHAHAHA

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

IlMaschio-You might want to consult with your physician about the male anatomy. Tenor voices of operatic quality are rareRRR than other voice types. The reason they have more weight in any opera is to showcase what's rareRRR..note the emphasis on the RRR.

[ilmaschio]

... tenors are a dime-a-dozen what are you talking about? There USUALLY paid more cause they USUALLY have bigger roles than basses and baritones.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Basses and baritones are always overshadowed (and paid less) because the natural supply of tenor voices is much more rare. The male voice usually falls into the baritone range because the make vocal chords tend to be thicker. The demand exceeds the supply for tenors as compared to Basses and Baritones. Note that this has no bearing on the artistic quality or value.

[jonroth999]

So unbelievably beautiful. I don't understand a word but my throat is closing up.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

People are still studying Pava's singing with high-tech acounto-electronic analysis to understand how he produced his glorious and superb sound.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

A point that most "partially informed" opera lovers miss is that Pavarotti was the ONLY tenor of his time who had a seamless transition in the passaggio, and perhaps the only one in known recorded history. Furthermore, his legato line excellent, clarity of diction superb, especially vowel formation, shading unique (as someone else mentioned)and had PERFECT pitch. Give these merits, Carreras and Domingo have SQUAT over him.

[cornificius22vain]

"and had PERFECT pitch": he did not have perfect pitch. Try a better encyclopaedia to copy from.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

I didn't know one could copy and paste something that was said by a faculty at Manhattan's finest music school. lol...but of course you know better. What an idiot!

[cornificius22vain]

The 'inquisitive': either way, you are, for your shame, relying on authority instead of thinking for yourself. That Pavarotti did not have perfect pitch is evident from the video (available on yt) on 'how to sing bel canto'. Bonynge plays three succesive major chords on the piano with Pava singing. Pavarotti immediately asks: did I touch the F? Now think this out and crawl back under your rock.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Consulting with even more knowledgeable people is considered "seeking more light" from where I come.

[cornificius22vain]

"even more knowledgeable people" ("even": what an arrogant ass you are!) can make and do make mistakes, and anyway their advice shoud be accepted critically if at all. And again: how does this further noise of yours answer my specific criticism about your mistaken view that Pavarotti had perfect pitch?

[Nater389]

He did have perfect pitch. You're an idiot. Haven't you learned yet not to engage an arguement with Inquisitive? He'll use you own inexperience against you and beat you down with it.

[cornificius22vain]

He did not have perfect pitch. But you see, the difference between you and me is that I give specific (and decisive) evidence for my assertion (see my reply to the 'inqisitive'), while you and the likes of the 'inquisitive' don't, since you lack musical culture (and general culture).

[ILoveTobin]

And how do you think he knew it was a F scale without seeing the piano keys? A wild guess turned out to be lucky? No. He had the perfect pitch, that's why he recognized the tone. And by the way - he asked if he had made and open F or covered, because he knew it was open, but he checked if everybody else noticed. So who's crawling back to his rock now? Not me and certainly not Inquisitive.

[TheInquisitive4Ever]

Hilovanov is right. Negate him all you want but he is RIGHT. Enough of Carreras revering with his throaty voice, feeble to top and that big gulp as he moves through his passaggio. It's not considered "good singing" no matter how popular he was. No negate this comment to with a Pavlovian reflex!

[wooshywoo]

I do not think Pavarotti's voice has ever sounded more beautiful. Thank you so much for posting this!

[plasticPlaystation]

timbre

[hologramlink108]

Very interesting to hear such a young Ghiaurov indeed and compare with later recording to see how well the voice matured!

[QuiRan82]

Both are just great... great singers of their time. Maybe even more than that.

[Dragonianfire]

Pavarotti was a class act, brilliant, but basses like Ghiaurov don't get enough credit, always overshadowed by tenors, it's quite sad.

[hologramlink108]

You're right, it's an incredibly difficult job to make a bass sing so subtly and yet powerfully as Ghiaurov did!

[puiut3mic]

R.I.P.dear luciano

[lyonellelion]

that doesn't look like pavarotti

[hologramlink108]

...cause he doesn't have his beard yet!!!:)

[mrtyles]

no beard!

[Mredsal]

For sure, Pavarotti in his prime could hold a true pure note better than anyone. He also had great expression. and His physique was a great benefit in projecting his voice without apparent effort. As someone once said 'you can't fire cannons from canoes!.

As for Ghiaurov - the best bass ever. Giulini's 1964 recording with Elizabeth Schwarzkopf, Christa Ludwig and Nicolai Ghedda is my absolute favourite. The Lacramosa {Ludwig especially) is sublime.

[maxhansendk]

Jussi Bjorling has done the definite version of Ingemisco!!

Any professional critic will say the same.

But still, this is excellent! Too bad Bjorlings version is absolutely divine!!

[chemistryprofessor]

I love this rendition. Both voices are exquisite.

I have heard a recording of Jon Vickers performing this requiem. His voice is absolutely superb!!

[dntpntr]

In my humble opinion, the greatest rendition of Verdi's Requiem is Karajan's 1984 one, with Anna Tomowa, Agnes Baltsa, Jose Carreras and Jose van Dam, with an extraordinary Vienna Philharmonic. There are fragments of it posted on Youtube as well, just watch and compare! Incredible Dies Irae and Libera me!

[cestkoko]

You have no manners, and are clearly too full of yourself to speak respectfully to others politely expressing their opinion.

For what it's worth, I agree about Carreras. That doesn't change my opinion of you in the slightest.

[althen]

Pavarotti got a mistake at 02:13

It seems that he had miscalculated the resting and came out half a measure earlier.

[Giovannifabuloso]

Mistake or not. This is flawless singing. He has beautiful line, diction. He was a poet.There is not any tenor out there today that touch him. I am including Domingo as well. Pavarotti was a natural tenor. Listen to how he shades the voice with such beautiful colors. I will take him any day of the week.

[trem0lo]

Truth. He is a tenor that best represents the bel canto tradition.

Siepi ain't too bad either ;)

[operadoc]

this is breathtaking

[zurriuss]

Bravo to them both!!!

Pavarotti's voice seems unfinishable here. It somehow makes you feel how freely he would take top C, D, E, F... with no end.

Bravo again.

[jpedrocp]

magnificent, brilliant singers!

[jppooch]

I love this! Those two gentlemens voices inspired me to persue singing.

How interesting to hear them so young. It must have been one of Pavarotti's first performances, for you can hear his oborted early entrance at the oboe solo before the "inter oves." It gave me chills to hear and feel his vulnerability. Thank you Operabeauty for this beautiful clip.

[hologramlink108]

Ghiaurov's voice has always been the best for that part, there's something that none of the famous basses got in his voice: spirituality.

[APhantomPhan]

Agreed. His voice has such a seductive quality to it. None of the other bass voices I've heard have satisfied me half as much as Ghiaurov's does. It's so powerful. Amazing... Absolutely amazing.

[smartsteve]

beutiful,pls everyone install more of early pavarotti if you have.

[manumaltes]

The conductor is Abbado. I just don;t have words for this. it is beyond perfect.

[JeanDeMeung]

Are you sure? I ask because I've got a CD with Pavarotti/Ghiaurov, recorded the same year in La Scala, conducted by Karajan.

But it is magnificent.

[marioj34]

thousand mercy, that always given pleasure!

[Antoanet562002]

The famous Bulgarian basso Giaurov( the husband of Mirella Freni) and the most famous lyric tenor of all the times-Pavarotti in a great concerto. The American TV should show a little more classical music and opera instead their Hollywood stories. The public doesn't know anything about the art of the opera and two most famous countries as per their voices in Europe- Italy and Bulgaria.

[APhantomPhan]

Yes, yes, yes, YES! The last time I heard classical music on anything other than the opera channel was when Paul Potts won Britain's Got Talent. And his voice pales in comparison to Pavarotti and Domingo. I really wish people would promote their work more so there wouldn't be quite so many people who haven't the slightest clue who I'm talking about when I mention Pavarotti.

[Kacika21]

The feeling of perfectness.

[m0e4g2]

I listen to this beautiful singing and it is for all the international singers who joined Luciano this summer -a sad one for opera lovers all over the world.

[HellasItalia4]

Abbiamo perso due GRANDISSIMI!!!!

[BillyBudd56]

I think the conductor is Karajan. Isn't the comercial video from La Scala.

[Madamina1]

Brilliant! who's the conductor - Abbado? And could we have more, please!

[herminestover]

If one has been aware of a singer for the WHOLE of his career, it is easy to forget how that singer sounded forty years ago, and it was pure, simple, and divine. so few of the mannerisms we came to expect, so clean and FEARLESS!

[freespiritQC]

You're so right! I've been listening to this aria for 20 minutes and just keep putting it back to the beginning. Makes me sad in a way that this Luciano did not live lunger....

[WeicheWotan]

Exquisite singing from both soloists. I had forgotten how much control Pavarotti had over his voice in those days. To listen to him singing the Requiem today, the day of his own funeral, is very moving.