@21crosscheck21 Well if that was the case, you can praise God any day of the year that day is all about your daughter, witnesses are not commanded to not celebrate birthdays but the reason and purpose is brought into question, its totally up to your conscience to how you want to do it, I am not a Jehovah witness but when comparing their teachings with other churches they just stand out among them all, I also feel that any religion that promotes Xmas is false because God is no part of a lie.
@kingtraxz4life Actually you are quite wrong. If you get caught celebrating a birthday you will be disfellowshipped.... and that means you lose your salvation. Romans 14 gives people the liberty to set aside a "special day" as their conscience allows. The WT does not. That is clearly un biblical.
You made good point here and I noticed that there are some who are refuting this video you made and they are word dancing around the facts you brought to light. These leaders of the JW’s do seem to mimic the Pharisees and the followers don’t even know it but only repeat what their leaders have said and no thorough solo research has been done by any of them, or if they have they wont question it due to whatever reason (Making sure of all things like the Boreans is out the window for them).
The bible directly states that God urges people to avoid partying and instead reflecting of life, to use it for good because it can end anytime. Eccleciastes 7:1-4. Birthdays bring honor to the birthday person, and this is like a form of worship. It is important to be kind to people everyday, not just on their b-day. Birthday origins are of pagan beginnings. Research it and you will see the man of this video didn't complete all his research. He is presumptuous, and not using the bible enough.
I've been to parties that JW's hosted with dancing. I've been offered alcoholic drinks from witnesses. No one can be honored more than a visiting overseer except a guest speaker from bethel. I remember when a young man stated he was one of the 144,000 the sisters were so excited thinking that whoever married him would have a direct connection with God's kingdom. I don't celebrate birthdays but it's not forbidden in the Bible.
-You at one point(6:30) talk about the verse that speaks about not judging on someone that celebrates a day more then you do(or less).
Useless!! If God judges a certain thing(birthday in this case) that doesnt allows you to go right into Gods rules just on line of this verse in the Bible.
This only goes about things God DOES allow, not what he DOESNT allows also.
JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE WRONG IN THERE TEACHING IT IS VERY MUCH BRAIN WASHING MATERIAL THE CLAIM TO TEACH OUT OF THE BIBLE BUT IT IS THERE VERSION THEY ALSO HAVE THERE STUDY BOOK WITH THEM TO HELP THEM BACK UP THERE TEACHING ( THEY CAN TWIST A VERSE VERY EASILY ) THERE IS NOTHING WRONG BIRTHDAYS JOB HIMSELF CELEBRATED HIS SONS BIRTHDAYS AND I HAVE READ THE 10 COMMANDMENTS PUT IN TO SIMPLE WORDS( DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN ) I STUDY WITH THE JW UNTIL THEY SAID JESUS IS HERE ALREADY SPIRIT
@murderboytje you do not use different bibles.. you only use your version i study with a jw and he forbidden me to use my bible in our bible study and birthdays are not forbidden in the bible.. my mom is a jw and there is no scripture to back this up they simple choose not to celebrate birthdays they claim that they are unclean is the term they use in fact a true jw does not use the internet to associate with non believers. jesus is in heaven and will be our king and yes gods name is Jehovah
@xxsoutherncowboyxx I've been at a few different bible studies and we use up to 5 different bibles to look up the scriptures. Each bible study conductor may chose differently. I like to use as many different bibles as I can so it helps you understand the text better. I know alot of Witnesses cross-reference different bibles. The Watchtower Society quotes from different bibles all the time.
@murderboytje I wanted to tell you why i left the jw one of my co-workers told me you no jw believe that Jesus has already returned and i was like noway i study with them and they said jesus will return and raise they dead those who hear his voice will come forth. So when we had our bible study i told them that and he said that Jesus is already here guiding the watchtower organization and will not psychically ever return that we wont see him .. Find out for yourself dont take my word peace..
Eccleciastes 7:2-4, "Better is it to go to the HOUSE OF MOURNING than to the banquet house, because that is the end of all mankind; and the one alive should take (it) to his heart". verse 4, "The heart of the WISE ONES is in the HOUSE OF MOURNING, but the heart of the STUPID ONES IS IN THE HOUSE OF REJOICING." We do not TWIST scriptures as video claims. We simply chose to be WISE ONES, not stupid ones. We don't celebrate life every year. We Celebrate Jesus' DEATH, he told us to Luke 22:19..
CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.It never gives a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated birthdays.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing.""BIBLE IS TRUTH."
If Jesus wanted us to celebrate Birthdays, he would command it like he commanded us to celebrate his Memorial at Luke 22:19. The same people who
said Jesus was born on Dec. 25 (which he was not) said to celebrate his birthday...Jesus's cousin, John the baptist, was killed on King Herod's birthday (refer to Matthew 14:6, Mark 6:21). In Genesis 40:20 Pharoah killed his baker, on his birthday. These rulers on their birthdays killed people. Mark 7:13, men are obeyed, instead of God's word.
Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
to this video man: please, please stop saying bad things and untruths about jehovah's witnesses to the public. you are serously putting them in danger as they preach just as jesus commanded to go teach in public. please please please stop the untruths. i only have so much good to say about the witnesses. most loving group of people ive ever known. Will not kill another brother, another human being in war. Only peace, truth, and true love, certainly not for any money. ps bdays =pagen root
We go to baby showers. It is for the purpose to congratulate the new parents on their new arrival. Children are an inheritance from God, and this is a very special time in the parents life. A new life is ok to celebrate.
@praiseJah7 "But do you know what was considered a wedding among the Patriarchs?"
The bible doesn't tell us all the details of a typical wedding amongst the Israelites. All we can gather from the scriptures is how any particular person chose to celebrate it. We cannot say for certain what the minimum traditional practices of those ceremonies were.
@praiseJah7 Those accounts are only mentioned to show what happened to the baker (proving Joseph to be a prophet) and John the Baptist (which explains why people those Jesus was John raised from the dead). If it wasn't for this misconception the people had about Jesus, we never would have known John was killed. (Gen 40; Matt 14; Mk 6; Lk 9)
@praiseJah7 Praise ah please do not insult me or lie to my viewers. You know full well that the WT teaches that the ORGANIZATION is Gods channel of communication and the bible can only be understood by means of the organization. In addition people are disfellowshipped for not agreeing with WT dogmas or flip flops. If you have to lie and stretch the truth to defend these men that should be a red flag to you on many levels.
We don't have to LIE. We search out EVERY scripture used at our meetings and bible study literature. You are not seeing that we FOLLOW THE BIBLE. That the Watchtower Oranization is God's means to instruct Jesus' disciples today. He used prophets of old in times past. He always takes care of his people. ALL THE RULES WE FOLLOW ARE IN THE BIBLE. If you would take the time to look further, you would see this. You are blind to the truth, and instead, belittle those who use bible
Well he doesnt really lies also, Bible is Gods word and therefore a communication channel. Just like praying.
But yes you are right: the Watchtower organisation is Gods channel on earth, just look at everything they teached us!! No ordinary human can do that, compare it with the pope or so, and look what for ridicilous things the pope teaches. Way different then the Biblical lessons we get
3 ~ @praiseJah7 Pagan religions celebrated weddings, accomplishments, etc. So, should a believer not celebrate their wedding since pagan religions celebrated theirs? (There's nothing in scripture that shows a believer celebrating an anniversary nor going on a honeymoon.) Now, if it has to be within scriptural arrangement, how, then, should the honeymoon be celebrated? What would be the guideline?
2 ~ @praiseJah7 Also, those celebrations weren't mentioned to show WHO was celebrating, but to show HOW it related to key persons in the scriptures. If it wasn't for Joseph having the dream, would the birthday celebration of Pharaoh be mentioned (I'm pretty sure this wasn't the first and only time he celebrated his birthday)? If it wasn't for John the Baptist being killed, would the birthday celebration of Herod's daughter ever be spoken of?
1 ~ @praiseJah7 Yes, it would show that MOST originate with false worship, but not all. So, if candles, cakes, and gift giving originated with false worship, should a believer avoid these in ALL celebrations, or only if your celebration IS the celebration of those situations?
@praiseJah7 "the bible does not condemn the participation in celebrations in line with scriptural arrangements such as weddings,anniversaries and so forth."
3~@praiseJah7 So, true, there is not any recordings of a believer celebrating a birthday. Now, when Mary came to Jesus and told Him there was no wine at the wedding feast, was His response in reference to the wine, or the needs of the celebration? Was He willing to help out, or reluctant to participate?
2~@praiseJah7 Now, if you read a different translation, you will see that in Job 1:4, some commentators (and translators) render this as birthday celebrations that each son held. They based this on one other time Job used this word, and it was when he cursed the day he was born (or, rather, his birthday). Whether this is correct or not is to be debated, but...that's neither here nor there.
1~@praiseJah7 Good point. But, did you notice that both believers and non-believers in the Bible used altars? So, are altars ungodly because unbelievers used them? Non-believers celebrated weddings and anniversaries, too. Where is it recorded that a believer had a honeymoon, a baby shower, etc.? The only reason those two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible is because at one of them, John the Baptist died, and at the other one, Joseph's prophecy was fulfilled....
@praiseJah7 "why celebrate slavery and death!!???!!"
You know, the Passover is a celebration for release from slavery through death.....So, this feast, which almost every Christian honors, is worthless and meaningless without death....
Although there are no explicit references, it would appear that there is a possible implicit reference to birthday celebrations in Job (Job 1:4, 5).
If this is talking about birthday celebrations, they seem to be being spoken of favourably.
Job talks about Job's sons each holding a feast on "his day". In Job 3:1-4, the same Hebrew word for "day" (yowm) is used when Job curses the "day" of his birth.
Theres also a recording of Jesus' age when He was 12 when visited Jerusalem (Luke 2:42)
1~@urnzwayzmoove "he DID say to celebrate his death...not his birth so..."
He never said celebrate His death. The passover feast was to celebrate the freedom that came by the death of the first born. So, when Christians celebrate the Passover, we are celebrating liberty through the sacrifice of Jesus-not His death. Also, JW's don't celebrate, they mourn. Their passover celebrations, or "the memorial", is very solemn. There is not celebrating going on.
@rpierre777 Umm the definition of celebrate: to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites. He did say "keep doing this in remembrance of ME" Oh and I never noticed any "mourning" going on :p lol Have a nice day!
@urnzwayzmoove "He did say "keep doing this in remembrance of ME""
Exactly! We have to remember that it was by Him that we have our freedom. In order to understand what He was talking about, you have to understand what the passover was about.
2~@urnzwayzmoove "he DID say to celebrate his death...not his birth so..."
When Jesus said, "do in remembrance of me", He was talking about the celebration of freedom the Israelites celebrated because of their release from Egypt. (Lk 22:19) So, Jesus is saying we should celebrate our freedom, but do it in remembrance of Him and not that which was done in Egypt.
JW's simply drew a line about what they consider as pagan. Just for the record at one stage JW's or as they were then know as Bible Students they celebrated birthdays. Sorry we choose to draw the line we do but as you acknowledge that is our view. I believe that you are much to judgmental trying to keep you cake & eat it at the same time. ( just funning with you . By the way I gave up birthdays once I turned 30 after that I don't count. )
Hey buddy, did you know that when King Solomon let his pagan wives celebrate their beliefs he lost his kingdom? Birthday's are pagan, and like you put up on the screen, do n ot go beyond what is not written. Wedding rings are a protection, if a man see's a ring on a woman's finger he is less likely to hit on her. Rings weren't part of a religious ceremony, birthday's are, wedding cakes weren't part of a religious ceremony, birthday's are, get it?
@kindlyplease Hmm since when are birthdays part of a religious ceremony? Rings CAN be part of a religious ceremony if the couple gets married in a church. There is nothing pagan about birthdays. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Of course they're going to change their predictions. I assume you don't like scientist and geographers also. They're lying and untrustworthy. After all, they did say the earth was flat. How dare they! Don't you agree they should all be hanged? How dare astrolgers say the earth is the center of the universe. Filthy liars. Doesn't that upset you SPS?
@Iwant2Spoon The big difference would be that the people you mention do not claim to be "Gods channel of communication" nor do they shun people who disagree with them.
@21crosscheck21 What difference does it make? 21CrossCheck you fail to realize that they still do have opinions. JW's aren't angels or any perfect robot drone that's copied&pasted. They can have opinions as to whether the end will come. They never said those years will be in the bible, ex" the world will end on 2012 (Luke14:6)" All those predictions were based on what they saw and experienced, and they wanted to share that with their brothers and sisters.
@21crosscheck21 There's only shunning to those that deliberately come to fight and hackle against us. That goes with anyone, you'd do it do if someone has nothing to do but argue and debate against you, 'trolling' as it were. Unlike witnesses, who use research, evidence, scriptures, reasonings, rather just sitting there going, "Well I! fell that bla bla, well I! think that bla bla, well I just don't Think that," constantly badgering, no one wants that. An athiest doesn't want that.
1~@Iwant2Spoon " Unlike witnesses, who use research, evidence, scriptures, reasonings..."
That's a pet peeve of mines where JW's think they are the only ones who uses research and those other things. It is apparant that JW's only use this information when it supports them. (Continue...)
2~@Iwant2Spoon (Continue...) Examples: JW's will gather information from Catholic Encyclopedia when it supports their views, but then turn right around and say Catholics don't understand God nor the things of God. (If that's true, then why do you use their research to validate your claims?) JW's "praise" the fact that Arius was exiled by the Council of Nicene during the Trinity debate. Yet, they condemn the Catholic view of the Trinity, which was the beleifs that got Arius exiled!
3~@Iwant2Spoon (Continue...) (They ignore that little fact, though.) They stand behind "reasoning" that started by a few people accepting the commentation on the bible and not actual historical facts on the subject matter. (Is it a wonder how so many scholars disagree with JW's on the historical facts of Christianity?)
@21crosscheck21 99% they constantly talk and discuss eachothers opinions, they're called bible studies, you know, the thing you rediculed on another video? During those bible studies it's not just the witness reading from the book verbatim for 30 minutes then leaving. I've been to many and typically the witnesses that actually know what they're talking about hardly use the book. Sometimes it will take 4 days just to finish one chapter, and the chapters are usually 5 pages long.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf I'm pretty sure every witness has. So we don't know when armegedon will come. We can't guess? We can't see and go oh, all these wars, this world will end in 1914! What's wrong with saying that? World War I started. Did someone ever say, "In the Bible, it will end there!" No. You're saying that because people guessed based on the tradegies they saw, then everything they stand for is false.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf No I'm not a "GB", and there you go again with predictions, well maybe I didn't have this talk with you already, perhaps someone else. Jw's can't see the future, I know you want to believe that. Every guess was made based on what they saw. No Jehovah's Witness ever said, "In the bible the world will end on bla bla bla", the bible says that armegedon will come as a thief in the night. Have you ever read that scripture?
its something how jehovah witness dnt celebrate birthdays but yet have baby showers wow isnt a baby shower about the same thing as a birthday gifts cake celebrating the life of the unborn child who is soon to come in this world boy i tell u these people are so confused we are born sinners and thats a fact people do wrong all the time they are false prophets who preach in the church so does that mean we are not aloud to go to church for a few bad apples i dnt think so wake up people
Yes you where right in thinking i have become an Atheist ,although many scripture still make sense the sermon on the mound for instance, science has outdone the bible in every way shape and form and continues to discover more about the world we live in everyday .
In my humble opinion the bible is a relic that has become no more than a box to trap and control small minds the answers we are all seeking are inside oneself
a man who has no fears has no need of a god for guidance.
@FrankaDith How has science made the bible outdated? In what terms has it? And how does the bible trap the mind? You make it seem like the bible is nothing but a book full of " Don't's " And
You seem to devote a lot of time to this sort of thing ,its hard to change people who are deluding themselves and frankly i dont see the need of it ,all organized religions are in a sense stuck in the box they made saying this is our beliefs ,i think the better way is to go your own way leaving ones mind open as you go about living your life ,cause in my opinion there is no end to this kinda debate.
To many wars have already been fought on religion doctrine already.
@FrankaDith You have a point with the religious war things. Jevovah's Witness though have no part in wars, if that's what you were somewhat getting at, if not then nevermind. Still, the open mind thing isn't really rational, unless you're atheist. If so then I can see why you want an open mind. But it's always good to see the truth and backing inside of an organization before you join it. Because an organized faith makes more sense then just saying, "Do what makes you feel happy."
"The Governing Body publishes... not from men but from Jehovah"
Predictions made in publications/announcements of 1877, 1891, 1904, 1916, 1917, 1920, 1922, 1924, 1938, 1941, 1942, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1984, (predictions were for 1914, 1918,1925, 1941-2, 1975 and many more for a pre 2000 Armageddon) never come true.
2034 strongly hinted at, but 'Generation' teaching puts Armageddon up to 90 years from now
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Those were guesses, if you've read the bible then you'd know that no one knows when Armegedon is coming. Even Witnesses don't know. What's wrong with saying, 'Hey maybe this is the year?' You twist words around like a Devils Advocat, a true witness would understand that only Jesus and God know when Armegedon is coming. Witnesses never knew and will never know until that day arrives. Those were simply guesses based on what they say. Like personally I feel Armegedon~
@SpecialPioneerSmerf will come in a year or two, honestly. Maybe even 5 years but that's stretching it. And that's based on what I see. The "Great Tribulation" will come as a thief in the night. And the Governing Body knows that, those were just educated guesses. I'm assuming you dog out scientists for hypothosizing also?
@Iwant2Spoon yah I rember those days, my parents were floor'ed my first day of school, they always thought i'd never go to school in this system. AND highschool, I was told all my early school years i'd never see high school. I never dreamed I would have got married in this old system... but I did. And now my parents are old and divorced and remarried and moved away and puzzeled that Armageddon hasn't come yet. 4 generations in my family now have been told they would live to see the end. *sigh*
@SpecialPioneerSmerf That is confusing I know. My dad tells me all the time that I will never see 40. Does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses see the future? Does that mean only JW's know when Armegedon is coming..? No. Those are guesses, some JW's take it more serious than others. They're just getting you prepared so you won't go, "WHY NOW?" But no JW knows, no matter how many times my dad says, "Son!? D-DAY IS COMING TOMORROW! =]" That doesn't mean when Thursday comes~
@SpecialPioneerSmerf (cont.) I'm going to go. "Man, he lied. I guess this religion is false." Lolwhat? No one knows. Even if the old men in brooklyn making the magazines say, "In 2012 Armegedon is coming, so get prepared, quit your jobs, and pray to Jehovah!" When Jan 1 2013 rolls around, am I going to say, "Wow, they lied, I don't trust JW's anymore." Any JW would know that No One knows. Every JW made a guess based on what they saw. But the bible says D-day would come like a thief.
@Iwant2Spoon But the problem with this is the WatchTower says this comes from Jehovah and you have to accept it, that crosses the line.
WatchTower Sept 15th 2010 pg.13 /8
"The Governing Body publishes... not from men but from Jehovah"
Should they be getting it wrong at all, should they even hint at dates that wiz right on by. And most importantly should they be disfellowshiping and have people shunned when they don't agree. Sorry, but any other religion would be considered false prophet.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Okay, explain to me what's the deal, you're saying, because what they publish is entirely in the lord, and what they do is entirely in God's name. And they're the only ones fully and completely following all of God's laws, that they can't say it's from God? You're banishing an entire religion on not their actions, not how they tell you how to act, but because they know that what they give to use to feed us spiritually is from God, they're apostate?
@SpecialPioneerSmerf They're false prophets..? How in the world are they false prophets? Are they pretending to be God? Is it one person with a tall hat in his 80's coming out wanting to be the Messiah? Are they all-holy and have expensive houses and tv shows? Do they free helicopter rides and business contracts 'in the name of the lord'? They mean it's the word of God. I should know because I actually do truthful research on them and I go their meetings, believe me when I say I know.
@Iwant2Spoon Are you saying your one of the Governing Body? I am an active Jehovahs Witness right now, born and rasied for 35 years so, was an MS on my way to being an elder. I have talked to GB members and have friends and family who have serve (slave) in Bethel and i've been there many times, so what do you know that I don't? I have cross referenced every teaching past and present. They have yet to get one prediction right, you never know from one minute to the next what teaching WILL change.
@Iwant2Spoon You can't prove they were chosen from the bible. Would God chose someone to be his representative and get all predictions wrong? Oh and the GB do have a good life, a very good life, I have friends in the higher-up and my grandmother lived there for many years. Anyone who makes claims that "what they say is from God" you better be able to prove it and have a convincing tract record... both of which the Governing Body cannot do. If you did an honest evaluation like you said you did..
@Iwant2Spoon then you would have read the books Crisis of Conscience, Captives of a Concept, Gentile Times Reconsidered, Combatting Cult Mind Control. If you haven't read these then you haven't finished your research. Also google 'watchtower quotes'. My sister inlaws step dad was a MS and was having sex with her for years and he was promoted to an elder. My cousin was molested/raped by an elder and his son many time until she commited sucide a few years later for this. Look at silentlambs com
If it says, "he that regards one day as special, does so to the lord", how is it not obvious that it should be Memorial Day? The day we gave sacred appreciation to Jesus Christ and his ransom sacrifice? Birthdays have no sacred regards to the lord. Birthdays are simply to celebrate the human, so how is it "to the lord?"
@21crosscheck21 Romans 14:5-6 was taken out of context. He regards one day as special does so , to the lord', meaning Memorial Day, you just said "Does so to the lord". That scripture plainly states that if one man does make only one day special, it should be to the lord. Aren't birthdays to humans? Aren't birthdays about the human's special day? How is that in anyway about the lord? Can't athiest do birthdays? What's the difference between you and an athiest when it comes to birthdays?
@Iwant2Spoon So you are trying to attach astrology and sorcery to birthdays?Is this because a birthday is a certain day on a calendar? Do not forget God created
the day night and year. Gen1:4 The Lord has given us life on our day and it does not matter when we worship him. The fact is an anniversary or birthday used to thank the Lord could never be consided a sin.A birthday is nothing more than an anniversary of a special event. Abraham had a party for isaac when he was weaned 1st yr Gen21:8
@rhmarinos Am I trying to attach...? It's facts? Such up the origin of birthdays, anybody will tell you that knows. And I don't understand what You Are trying to attach? Yes God did event night and day, so how does that justify that celebrating your date of birth is alright? And when you look up the word weaned, it means to introduce your child to solid foods... weaning an infant is when you get it used to solid foods... In Genesis 21:8 Abraham gave a feast because Isaac started weaning.
@Iwant2Spoon I only go by the bible the word of God . The Bible does not condemn birthdays or advocate wedding anniversary but we still celebrate them.oh by the way the watchtower had no problem celebrating 100 years the birth of their organization lol.
@rhmarinos There's nothing wrong with celebrations. Witnesses celebrate things, celebrations aren't sins. Abraham was happy that Isaac grew up, to a certain degree. It had nothing to do with Isaac's birthday, Genesis 21:8 only says, "Now the child kept growing and came to be weaned; and Abraham then prepared a big feast on the day of Isaac’s being weaned." Look up the origin of birthdays anywhere, it'll tell you.
@Iwant2Spoon Yes your right celebrations are not a sin. weather birthday anniversary or wedding its not what you celebrate, it how you celebrate it. Christians are not to judge the practice of other Christians in respect to doubtful things Rom14:2-3 .
@rhmarinos That makes no sense. Based on what you say then there are no limits to what we can do as long as we arn't harming anybody. And plus, how does that benefit Christians? If christians aren't allowed to help others that go astray then what limits are there? Why can't a peaceful family roast around a campfire with marshmellows praying to a pig god that watches over crops? Or a little child have a golden lamb in his roam he speaks in tongues to on Sundays? They still go to church though.
@rhmarinos And based on your saying also just because it does not say it in the bible black and white, then there's no rule against it? That goes exactly to my illustration about the bear trap in every way, shape, and form. Do you know how endless the bible would be if it had to say every single rule black and white in a straight command Rhmarinos? The bible doesn't say anything about hacking someones account and using it from mself. The bible doesn't say I shouldn't use graffiti,
@Iwant2Spoon (cont.) the bible also doesn't say that when celebrating birthdays I can't do a celebration ritual infront of a fire with cooked pigs in order to bless out celebrations. I still go to church though? If based on what you say, you ignore principles and lessons, because in the bible it just does not say directly word-for-word, "Humans should not celebrate birthdays," then there will be a lot of low standards about what we can and can't do. Of course it's alright to help Christians.
@Rhmarinos (cont.) in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinner, and cursed God in their hearts. This did Job continually."
@Rhmarinos (Job 1:4) "And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. (Job 1:5) "And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early~
@Iwant2Spoon job 1-5 When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and consecrate them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said,( "Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.") Thus Job did continually.
" It is not a sin to have birthday Job was pious man fearing God. They MAY!! have have just dismissed God from their hearts but job permitted the birthdays yearly."
@rhmarinos He permitted the birthdays? Do you have proof of that? And answer me this, give me a yes or no? Out of respect, just a say or no. If the bible gives 3 examples of birthdays. 3 examples, all 3 of them having some negative outcome, whether it be Pharoah who did not believe in God or had faith in him, Herod with the death sentence of John, or Job's children, which he later pleaded for God to forgive. Are you honestly fighting hard to find a loophole through all three negative examples?
@Iwant2Spoon Yes he did . he never interrupted or try to stop the feast read Job 1-8 God said have you considered my servant Job? For there is one like him on earth,blameless and up right. If he permitted a pagan celebration he would not be blameless why did he wait or not stop it. Because it is not a sin to have a feast on your day .Burnt offerings in that time was a normal thing to do read leviticus
@rhmarinos Oh that's what you're trying to say. Still God commands us not to worship him and other Gods. Not only that but God disapproves of astrology, something birthdays are deeply rooted in. Noticed Isaiah 47:13-15, you can't get around the fact that birthdays are deeply rooted in the act of atrology and horoscopes, and also you can't get around the fact that God doesn't not like atrology and furtune telling and such. Plus putting two & two together, if God does not approve of birthdays~
@Iwant2Spoon (cont.) then what else would Job be making a burnt offering for? It must conclude to the celebration his sons and daughters made. And yes you were right. Burnt offerings were a practice before Jesus' death. I agree with you on that.
@Iwant2Spoon I hope the part of not worshiping God is a typo. (John 4:24) Worship God in spirit and truth. A birthday is a celebration of life, thanking God for each year he has given to you, it has nothing to do with sorcery. All our dates and time come from reading the sun, moon and stars (luke 21:25). In (Matt 2:1-11) you have all three 1: following a star 2: birthday gifts 3: true worship.
@rhmarinos And although you mean well Rhmarinos, but just because something is innocent doesn't make it right. Not every pagan ritual is evil and sacrifices babies like you think. I know bithdays are about celebrating God's gift of life, but the simple fact it's the wrong way to do it. Why else would you put one day on a calender to appreciate someone? Shouldn't you appreciate them everyday? Every morning appreciate life and God's thanks? Why do you only have to do it once a year?
@rhmarinos Notice what the Bible says about astrology and fortune telling at Isaiah 47:13-15: "You have grown weary with the multitude of your counselors. Let them stand up, now, and save you, the worshipers of the heavens, the lookers at the stars, those giving out knowledge at the new moons concerning the things that will come upon you. Look! They have become like stubble. A fire itself will certainly burn them up.
@rhmarinos They will not deliver their soul from the power of the flame. There will be no glow of charcoals for people to warm themselves, no firelight in front of which to sit down. Thus they will certainly become to you, with whom you have toiled as your charmers from your youth. They will actually wander, each one to his own region. There will be no one to save you."
@rhmarinos Also, The World Book Encyclopedia states: "The early Christians did not celebrate His ,Christs, birth because they considered the celebration of anyones birth to be a pagan custom."
@rhmarinos It was feared that evil spirits were particularly attracted to people on their birthdays. To protect them from harm, friends and family would to come be with the birthday person and bring good thoughts and wishes. Giving gifts brought even more good cheer to ward off the evil spirits. This is how birthday parties began. In ancient times, people prayed over the flames of an open fire. They believed that the smoke carried their thoughts up to the gods.
@rhmarinos Today, we believe, that if you blow out all your candles in one breath, your wish will come true. Thousands of years ago, when men looked up into the night sky and charted the stars, they invented calendars and calculated the birth dates, to the very hour, of kings, rulers and their successors. These ancient pagan astrologers meticulously examined horoscopes and birthday omens because they believed that the fate of the rich and powerful might affect an entire society.
@rhmarinos Actually, let me rephrase that, are you trying to say, that with all three examples, which did not turn out positive, you're still trying to find a loophole within them that allows you to continue to celebrate your date of birth? Why are you trying so hard to find a loophole? Are you that determined? Given the bible has 3 straight examples of birthday experiences? When birthdays are of a pagan origin?
There is a pagan god of 'Laughing', there is a pagan god for just about everything. Whats going on here is you are part of a high control religious cult that limits it's members in many ways to keep control of you.
Research your faith. You don't need a cult they need you. You have Jesus without a false prophet Organization telling you what to believe. Be careful, people want to take advantage of you.
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Right, you're not really saying anything of value because most of your accusations are inaccurate and false. High control? Just how much control do you they they have? And give me an example of this high control. Be careful, the satan loves a wondering mind.
@Iwant2Spoon Please by all means, go and tell your elders you are conversing with opposers and apostates on the internet, i'd love to hear how that turns out for you. Take it a step further and explain to them you reject the WT council and continual warning of talking online to apostates/opposers.. and let the fireworks begin. Feel free to look up images "Artemis of Ephesus". BUt please continue your pointless crusade against cakes, candles and children having fun. Peace
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Lol, what was that? Some kind of childish remark, followed by a sarcastic exit? If you wanted to do was say something then leave so you won't be responded to, then don't say anything at all. The 'peace' at the end was cute though. It showed that you use sarcasm then log off and leave so the other can't respond. What's with all the 'pleases?' do you want to be taken seriously?
@Iwant2Spoon Your reactions are entertaining, you seem afraid of the points I bring up. Birthdays are the least of your worries my friend. No matter, do what they tell you, believe only what they say, and enjoy your life under their control. I wish you the best.
@rhmarinos Author Ralph Linton reveals the underlying reason for this n their book The Lore of Birthdays, they write "Mesopotamia and Egypt, the cradles of civilization, were the first lands in which men remembered and honoured their birthdays. The keeping of birthday records was important in ancient times principally because a birth date was essential for the casting of a horoscope." Yet you try to corellate birthdays and God? Or do you think you can both worship God, and commit pagan customs?
@Rhmarinos, Keep reading. Job 1:5 is right after Job 1:4, when the sons and daughters were celebrating their birthdays Job the next day went to God and sacrificed a burnt offering saying that they have sinned.
Now, since the bible only gave TWO examples of birthday celebrations, and BOTH of them were bad, does that mean that a man would sit there and study it then go, ''Well? It doesn't say I can't... so, it's 'all good.' " If people (and they do nowadays) do something just because it's not written down in pen, then this world (and it is) would be in a terrible place. That's like seeing a bear trap & seeing broken legs around it and the blade is bloody, then going, "Well? It doesn't say keep off."
"Do not celebrate birthdays," that means that it's up to the person to consider the reasonings to whatever he likes. But that just isn't true, because consider 2 Timothy 3:16 from the New World Translation. "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" and in the King James, " All teaching is given by insperation of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction."
@Iwant2Spoon yall new world translation please and who is it written by oh yeah yall u going back and fourth with that person but yall are full of it like 21 cross said if u are not going to celebrate one thing then dnt celebrate the other and i saw that u type that god did not mention it in the bible god mention everything in the bible that he was against so trust me he would not leave that out if he was aginst it i would like to know whats the perpose of a baby shower because yall do have it
@2hottric Lol.. the NWT is exactly the same as every other bible version. I said God did not say it in black and white "Do not celebrate birthdays" but I know God is against it because he said not to be in astrology and pagan customs, which birthdays are both. When you put 2&2 together it's not that hard. A baby shower is the celebration that a baby is here.. what's your point? It has nothing to do with astrology, it has nothing to do with pagan customs, you're happy your baby is here because~
@Iwant2Spoon what are u serious it is the same thing what does birthdays have cake gifts food ballons and fun things u might add to it and what does baby showers have gifts ballons cake food and lil extra i ever u celebrate it, its both celebrating ur life or childs life same thing sweetie and no i read the nwt the stuff that they have in there is not the same thing as the holy bible esp the nkjv if thats was the cass what would they need what the nwt bible it would not be needed
@2hottric Lol... you're looking at only the fun part of birthdays. What's the difference between your excuse to celebrate birthdays and my excuse to have balloons and parties and cakes after sacrificing a cow and spreading the blood over my childs face and praying to Baal for a healthy corn season? No difference. Birthdays are just as pagan and wrong. But? You don't see that part. You just see the happy and funny-fun time you can have. :D?
@2hottric You're like a mouse looking at a mouse-trap and wondering why I'm not munching on that sweaty smelling mozerella chunk on the end. I see the lever in the background ready to snap, yet all you see is that melting dairy. Likewise, I know the truth and history of birthdays and it;'s pagan astrology, while you only see the balloons. What dark pagan ritual is in with baby showers? Are we blowing out candles so the smoke can carry our wishes to the gods? Or chanting a lullaby to please Zues?
@Iwant2Spoon and another thing what did the tree wise men bought to jesus gifts rite celebrating the life of gods creation some people believe it was when he was born but others believe when he was a child but regardless when the gifts were bought to him the were honoring the child of god like i said in my post we were born into sin and people are going to do things that is not pleasing to god but the ? is how are u going to serve him i have news for u they have pastors who are false prophets
@2hottric That entire story is faulty.. Pm to get the real situation, the "three wise men that came to the newborn Jesus"? Nowhere in the bible, I would really love for you to show me. And the NWT is for people in the 21st century to understand it. Because no one uses "thy, thou, whence, thouest" anymore. There are dozens of translations, but I'm assuming only the KJ is the right one? And give me examples of the NWT changing doctrines please. I really want to see 2Hottric.
@2hottric And those "3 wise men" weren't men of God. Interesting isn't it? Yes it was for his birthday or something like that. But whatever they did, it wasn't in God's name. So why follow their actions? It wasn't backed by God. And I'm not looking for pastors, all Churches don't teach fully in the Lord. I don't trust churches anymore. They only follow 63% of the bible.
@Iwant2Spoon well actually in the bible nkjv in the book of matthew it doesnt say how many wise men their were but the wise men were scholars and therefore had access to the writing of daniel prophecy the wise men were magi.the magi were ancient interpreters of dreams and were astrologers.And also remember that herod found out that they were on there way to see jesus and he had them come to him to find out were jesus was so he pretented to be as spirtual as the wise men and said to them-
@Iwant2Spoon once u find the child come back and tell me so that i may go and worship him to but God warned them in a dream against returning to herod so in defiance of the king they left judea by another route these gifts that the wise men were to bring were gold,frankincense and myrrh the reason why they knew what gifts to bring because they study this prophecy book of daniel and knew exactly the kind of gifts to bring to the king but of course they did not know how to get their-
@Iwant2Spoon so they rely on there faith and threw there faith God guided them by a star and they were joyful to see the son of God so rememeber paul speaks about a cheerful giver (2corintians 8:7-8) but jus as we excel in everything in faith in speech in knowledge in complete earnestness and in ur luv for us see that u also excel in this grace of giving i am not commanding u but i want to test the sincerity of ur luv by comparing it the earnestness of others
@Iwant2Spoon so the ? is do u evn know what pagan mean paganism has its roots of idolatrous,religious practices beliefs that are condemmed in the word of god and the two men who a lot of JW focus on were pharaoh of egypt and king herod its obvious these two men of record were observing a day associated with themselves and not an idol or pagan god so there birthdays had nothing to do with paganism.a lot of things are orgin from paganism but yet we use them we have them and we evn celebrate
@Iwant2Spoon it not to say we do for rituals and pagan practise rather u dnt know this or not wedding rings are pagan its a part of gold silver which many years ago they idolize and also known as the money we spend music they use music for pagan rituals funerals the egyptians use furnerals as pagan ritual but yet we have them food clothes a lot of pagan rituals use statues of different gods but yet we have statues of the virgin mary and jesus in the church god never spoke against us
@Iwant2Spoon us celebrating things but how we celebrate god wants us to live by his laws and he do say if we dnt live by his laws did we are sinning in his eyes yes god speak aganist people who practice paganism god said in his word blessed are those who do his commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city.but outside are dogs and sorceres and sexually immoral and murders and idolaters and whoever luvs and practices a lie
@2hottric You're going to need to pm me now. I'm going to flood this commentary section. Let me know you've read this by sending my a message on my profile.
@Iwant2Spoon and go around claiming to christ himself saying that they are jesus and leading millions of people to hell but do that stop us for going to church listing to our pastors no the same what the birthday regardless to there pagen ideal of birthdays that does not mean we are following along with there tradition when i wake up in the moring i think god i am here and i might treat myself to a nice lunch the same with b-days u are thinking god for the years u are still here on this earth.
Now, to go along with what you're saying, a Witness solely believes into the bible. Since most people who criticize Witnesses hardly understand them. It's easy to think that their rules and principles go after what other humans say. But Witnesses have no gain in making up false accusations. What they say is directly coming from the bible. Now- to go along with your statement that 'just because it's not in the bible, it means it's a 50/50' since of course it does not DIRECTLY say,
Everything that is in the Bible is there for a reason. ''The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of Christians of this period in general." - The history of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries by Augustus Neander. "The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birthdays as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common oberservances associated with these days." The Imperial Bible-Dictionary.
Mm, right, well for starters just to put this out there as a disclaimer: I am not a Jehovah's Witness, I am a deist and I study religions for the knowledge, and one of the things I have studied on Jehovah's Witnesses is this on birthdays~ Birthday: (Encylopedia Britanicca) The day of one's birth or the anniversary of that day. In some places the anniversary of one's birth, especially that of a child, is celebrated with a party and giving of gifts. Not a biblical practice.
@Iwant2Spoon look up Job 1-4 And his sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them if that not a birthday what is!
to jw's birthdays are wrong because you are putting your self over everything and evrybody that 1 day and in a since its kind of like your being worshiped which is wrong.
JWs are full of crap. You gotta look at their doctrine that totally does not make sense. Come on! Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ? Lol. Ok so Christ was going to come back in 1914 but he came invisibly??? OK, what about 1975. Such false prophesies that only an idiot would believe and only an idiot would be weak enough to fall into this cesspool of lies and misery. If you are a JW, you MUST REPENT and forsake that false religion that WAS FOUNDED BY THE DEVIL, THE FATHER OF ALL LIES!
Your comment about legalistic thinking seems to indicate you don't think Jehovah is legal! He IS legal. That doesn't mean he makes thousands of laws to cover everything..it means he is lawful. And Jehovah's laws are based on principles. We feel everything in the bible is written for a reason..we do not have to wrestle the fact that only two celebrations are mentioned..and those by pagan..or the fact that there is no mention of any worshipper of Jehovah celebrating their own birthday!
@brofun 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossian 2:16)
23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. (Colossians 2:23)
larry..context is always key when reading the bible. Paul was not speaking about celebrations, days, etc of pagan worship or practice. He was speaking to Jews who, some were judging their christian brothers for observing some of the jewish fesitvals etc..like the sabboth, fesitval of palms, etc etc. These 'days' were not sins to to observe..but, what WAS a sin was believing the God required the christians to observe those fesitvals or days..or that is was a sin to obs them
@brofun 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. (Romans 14:5-7)
I have to give you your due on this one. This is a very well made video. And looking at the comments I see that nobody has given you a satisfactory answer. I am not surprised. Do you need a scripture to make it clear; Or would even a scripture not do it for you? And the "Wrestling" the scriptures part is really ironic in that it is exactly what was done at the Council of Nicea.
i hink that everything in the bible has a purpose. it was written over a 1400 year span. so everything needs to make a point. the bible points out two birthdays. both men had there heads chopped off. if god wants us to celebrate birthdays, why not give us good examples not these ones? God must be stating that he does not approve of birthday celebrations
Thanks 21crosscheck for the vid but I wonder what doesn't Jehovah like about birthdays? Is it the recognition of the day itself or is it the cake, candles, presents or the party? If I had to guess I would say it has more to do with having TOTAL control over the sheep by the WT. Is it safe to assume that every bit of the average witness's life has to be controlled?
Romans 14 5 In the same way, some may think that one day is more holy then another, while others think that every day is alike. Each person should have a personel conviction about this matter
well everything in the bible has a purpose. so the mentioning of those two birthdays in the biblemust have a purpose. so was it meant for us to celebrate them? wouldn't seem like it. jesus family john the baptist was killed at a birthday celbration. Jesus birthday is never mentioned in the bible either. why? The bible also states that the day of our death is more important than the day of our birth. we are a clean slate at birth. what we do with our life is what is important
Why does it matter if a particular group like the JWs think it's wrong to celebrate birthdays? Every religion has its own restrictions that seem unreasonable to outsiders. It's no different than if a Jewish person thinks sinful to eat pork or if a Christian thinks its sinful to miss one day of church, which also the Bible doesn't explicitly require you to do. Many things like birthdays aren't wrong in and of themselves, but rather because it tends to distract you from serving God or others.
what's the point in celebrating then explain that in a video.
kingtraxz4life 3 weeks ago
@kingtraxz4life The point of celebrating (for instance) my daughters birthday is praising God for the wonderful gift of life that He has given.
21crosscheck21 3 weeks ago
@21crosscheck21 Well if that was the case, you can praise God any day of the year that day is all about your daughter, witnesses are not commanded to not celebrate birthdays but the reason and purpose is brought into question, its totally up to your conscience to how you want to do it, I am not a Jehovah witness but when comparing their teachings with other churches they just stand out among them all, I also feel that any religion that promotes Xmas is false because God is no part of a lie.
kingtraxz4life 3 weeks ago
@kingtraxz4life Actually you are quite wrong. If you get caught celebrating a birthday you will be disfellowshipped.... and that means you lose your salvation. Romans 14 gives people the liberty to set aside a "special day" as their conscience allows. The WT does not. That is clearly un biblical.
21crosscheck21 3 weeks ago
You made good point here and I noticed that there are some who are refuting this video you made and they are word dancing around the facts you brought to light. These leaders of the JW’s do seem to mimic the Pharisees and the followers don’t even know it but only repeat what their leaders have said and no thorough solo research has been done by any of them, or if they have they wont question it due to whatever reason (Making sure of all things like the Boreans is out the window for them).
2kAZss 4 months ago
The bible directly states that God urges people to avoid partying and instead reflecting of life, to use it for good because it can end anytime. Eccleciastes 7:1-4. Birthdays bring honor to the birthday person, and this is like a form of worship. It is important to be kind to people everyday, not just on their b-day. Birthday origins are of pagan beginnings. Research it and you will see the man of this video didn't complete all his research. He is presumptuous, and not using the bible enough.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever
I've been to parties that JW's hosted with dancing. I've been offered alcoholic drinks from witnesses. No one can be honored more than a visiting overseer except a guest speaker from bethel. I remember when a young man stated he was one of the 144,000 the sisters were so excited thinking that whoever married him would have a direct connection with God's kingdom. I don't celebrate birthdays but it's not forbidden in the Bible.
torrents4u2c 5 months ago
Also you mention the origin.
Well the origin of wedding rings is just that they holded it as the eternal ring,
while birthday has its origin in the astrology, reading of the starts and all.
Something God really really judges in the Bible.
Big difference!
Birthday only got mentioned 2 times in the Bible and always on a negative way,
sure this doesnt forbids it. But it does shows nothing positive about it and in combination with what the origin:
God obviously forbids it!
murderboytje 7 months ago
Reacting at this video:
-You at one point(6:30) talk about the verse that speaks about not judging on someone that celebrates a day more then you do(or less).
Useless!! If God judges a certain thing(birthday in this case) that doesnt allows you to go right into Gods rules just on line of this verse in the Bible.
This only goes about things God DOES allow, not what he DOESNT allows also.
murderboytje 7 months ago
JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE WRONG IN THERE TEACHING IT IS VERY MUCH BRAIN WASHING MATERIAL THE CLAIM TO TEACH OUT OF THE BIBLE BUT IT IS THERE VERSION THEY ALSO HAVE THERE STUDY BOOK WITH THEM TO HELP THEM BACK UP THERE TEACHING ( THEY CAN TWIST A VERSE VERY EASILY ) THERE IS NOTHING WRONG BIRTHDAYS JOB HIMSELF CELEBRATED HIS SONS BIRTHDAYS AND I HAVE READ THE 10 COMMANDMENTS PUT IN TO SIMPLE WORDS( DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN ) I STUDY WITH THE JW UNTIL THEY SAID JESUS IS HERE ALREADY SPIRIT
xxsoutherncowboyxx 7 months ago
@xxsoutherncowboyxx
Lol dude, get your facts straight:
-We also use other Bibles, we even point toward other versions in our books and all
Also pretty all of us have studied in different Bible versions, but they all approve our believes.
-Birthdays are forbidden according to Bible
-Jesus indeed is in heaven, as our King.
murderboytje 7 months ago
@murderboytje you do not use different bibles.. you only use your version i study with a jw and he forbidden me to use my bible in our bible study and birthdays are not forbidden in the bible.. my mom is a jw and there is no scripture to back this up they simple choose not to celebrate birthdays they claim that they are unclean is the term they use in fact a true jw does not use the internet to associate with non believers. jesus is in heaven and will be our king and yes gods name is Jehovah
xxsoutherncowboyxx 7 months ago
@xxsoutherncowboyxx I've been at a few different bible studies and we use up to 5 different bibles to look up the scriptures. Each bible study conductor may chose differently. I like to use as many different bibles as I can so it helps you understand the text better. I know alot of Witnesses cross-reference different bibles. The Watchtower Society quotes from different bibles all the time.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@murderboytje I wanted to tell you why i left the jw one of my co-workers told me you no jw believe that Jesus has already returned and i was like noway i study with them and they said jesus will return and raise they dead those who hear his voice will come forth. So when we had our bible study i told them that and he said that Jesus is already here guiding the watchtower organization and will not psychically ever return that we wont see him .. Find out for yourself dont take my word peace..
xxsoutherncowboyxx 7 months ago
@xxsoutherncowboyxx
I know what we believe in, dont worry!
Are you Jewish or so? that Jesus still will come back on earth?
Jesus is indeed already back, in 1914 he was crowned as the King! (research Biblical prophecy)
In that position he starts to reign over all of us, helping the slave(Watchtower society) with understading Gods word and leading us all.
This all started with Jesus as Michael, attacking the dragon or Satan.(Revelations)
murderboytje 7 months ago
Meh to each his own only pagans in the bible celebrated birthdays and revelries in the bible that's fact!!!
teflonfanatic 8 months ago
Eccleciastes 7:2-4, "Better is it to go to the HOUSE OF MOURNING than to the banquet house, because that is the end of all mankind; and the one alive should take (it) to his heart". verse 4, "The heart of the WISE ONES is in the HOUSE OF MOURNING, but the heart of the STUPID ONES IS IN THE HOUSE OF REJOICING." We do not TWIST scriptures as video claims. We simply chose to be WISE ONES, not stupid ones. We don't celebrate life every year. We Celebrate Jesus' DEATH, he told us to Luke 22:19..
eternityandforever 8 months ago in playlist False Doctrines & Religions
CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.It never gives a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated birthdays.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing.""BIBLE IS TRUTH."
eternityandforever 8 months ago
If Jesus wanted us to celebrate Birthdays, he would command it like he commanded us to celebrate his Memorial at Luke 22:19. The same people who
said Jesus was born on Dec. 25 (which he was not) said to celebrate his birthday...Jesus's cousin, John the baptist, was killed on King Herod's birthday (refer to Matthew 14:6, Mark 6:21). In Genesis 40:20 Pharoah killed his baker, on his birthday. These rulers on their birthdays killed people. Mark 7:13, men are obeyed, instead of God's word.
eternityandforever 8 months ago
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Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
eternityandforever 9 months ago
to this video man: please, please stop saying bad things and untruths about jehovah's witnesses to the public. you are serously putting them in danger as they preach just as jesus commanded to go teach in public. please please please stop the untruths. i only have so much good to say about the witnesses. most loving group of people ive ever known. Will not kill another brother, another human being in war. Only peace, truth, and true love, certainly not for any money. ps bdays =pagen root
arpeggios070590 10 months ago
@praiseJah7
How is it that Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to celebrate the birth of a child but not its birthday?
tommotian 11 months ago
@tommotian
We go to baby showers. It is for the purpose to congratulate the new parents on their new arrival. Children are an inheritance from God, and this is a very special time in the parents life. A new life is ok to celebrate.
eternityandforever 8 months ago in playlist False Doctrines & Religions
i love how jws do not respond to the fact that they too are doing pagan things.
kogamisamurai 11 months ago
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@praiseJah7 "And in my opinion honeymoons should be celebrated every night! ;) lol"
Tell my wife that...lol....i wish they were
rpierre777 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 "But do you know what was considered a wedding among the Patriarchs?"
The bible doesn't tell us all the details of a typical wedding amongst the Israelites. All we can gather from the scriptures is how any particular person chose to celebrate it. We cannot say for certain what the minimum traditional practices of those ceremonies were.
rpierre777 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 Those accounts are only mentioned to show what happened to the baker (proving Joseph to be a prophet) and John the Baptist (which explains why people those Jesus was John raised from the dead). If it wasn't for this misconception the people had about Jesus, we never would have known John was killed. (Gen 40; Matt 14; Mk 6; Lk 9)
rpierre777 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 Praise ah please do not insult me or lie to my viewers. You know full well that the WT teaches that the ORGANIZATION is Gods channel of communication and the bible can only be understood by means of the organization. In addition people are disfellowshipped for not agreeing with WT dogmas or flip flops. If you have to lie and stretch the truth to defend these men that should be a red flag to you on many levels.
21crosscheck21 11 months ago
@21crosscheck21
We don't have to LIE. We search out EVERY scripture used at our meetings and bible study literature. You are not seeing that we FOLLOW THE BIBLE. That the Watchtower Oranization is God's means to instruct Jesus' disciples today. He used prophets of old in times past. He always takes care of his people. ALL THE RULES WE FOLLOW ARE IN THE BIBLE. If you would take the time to look further, you would see this. You are blind to the truth, and instead, belittle those who use bible
eternityandforever 8 months ago in playlist False Doctrines & Religions
@21crosscheck21
Well he doesnt really lies also, Bible is Gods word and therefore a communication channel. Just like praying.
But yes you are right: the Watchtower organisation is Gods channel on earth, just look at everything they teached us!! No ordinary human can do that, compare it with the pope or so, and look what for ridicilous things the pope teaches. Way different then the Biblical lessons we get
murderboytje 7 months ago
3 ~ @praiseJah7 Pagan religions celebrated weddings, accomplishments, etc. So, should a believer not celebrate their wedding since pagan religions celebrated theirs? (There's nothing in scripture that shows a believer celebrating an anniversary nor going on a honeymoon.) Now, if it has to be within scriptural arrangement, how, then, should the honeymoon be celebrated? What would be the guideline?
rpierre777 11 months ago
2 ~ @praiseJah7 Also, those celebrations weren't mentioned to show WHO was celebrating, but to show HOW it related to key persons in the scriptures. If it wasn't for Joseph having the dream, would the birthday celebration of Pharaoh be mentioned (I'm pretty sure this wasn't the first and only time he celebrated his birthday)? If it wasn't for John the Baptist being killed, would the birthday celebration of Herod's daughter ever be spoken of?
rpierre777 11 months ago
1 ~ @praiseJah7 Yes, it would show that MOST originate with false worship, but not all. So, if candles, cakes, and gift giving originated with false worship, should a believer avoid these in ALL celebrations, or only if your celebration IS the celebration of those situations?
rpierre777 11 months ago
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@praiseJah7 "the bible does not condemn the participation in celebrations in line with scriptural arrangements such as weddings,anniversaries and so forth."
Nor does it honor it.
rpierre777 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 "It is the celebration customs of the pagan nations that are condemned,birthdays being a major one."
So, where in the bible are birthdays considered a custom only of pagan nations and is condemned?
rpierre777 11 months ago
3~@praiseJah7 So, true, there is not any recordings of a believer celebrating a birthday. Now, when Mary came to Jesus and told Him there was no wine at the wedding feast, was His response in reference to the wine, or the needs of the celebration? Was He willing to help out, or reluctant to participate?
rpierre777 1 year ago
2~@praiseJah7 Now, if you read a different translation, you will see that in Job 1:4, some commentators (and translators) render this as birthday celebrations that each son held. They based this on one other time Job used this word, and it was when he cursed the day he was born (or, rather, his birthday). Whether this is correct or not is to be debated, but...that's neither here nor there.
rpierre777 1 year ago
1~@praiseJah7 Good point. But, did you notice that both believers and non-believers in the Bible used altars? So, are altars ungodly because unbelievers used them? Non-believers celebrated weddings and anniversaries, too. Where is it recorded that a believer had a honeymoon, a baby shower, etc.? The only reason those two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible is because at one of them, John the Baptist died, and at the other one, Joseph's prophecy was fulfilled....
rpierre777 1 year ago
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@praiseJah7 "why celebrate slavery and death!!???!!"
You know, the Passover is a celebration for release from slavery through death.....So, this feast, which almost every Christian honors, is worthless and meaningless without death....
rpierre777 1 year ago
Although there are no explicit references, it would appear that there is a possible implicit reference to birthday celebrations in Job (Job 1:4, 5).
If this is talking about birthday celebrations, they seem to be being spoken of favourably.
Job talks about Job's sons each holding a feast on "his day". In Job 3:1-4, the same Hebrew word for "day" (yowm) is used when Job curses the "day" of his birth.
Theres also a recording of Jesus' age when He was 12 when visited Jerusalem (Luke 2:42)
SuperOZTV 1 year ago
Would Jesus celebrate birthdays?
urnzwayzmoove 1 year ago
@urnzwayzmoove Scripturally speaking, we don't know....
rpierre777 1 year ago
@rpierre777 Actually we do.... he DID say to celebrate his death...not his birth so.....
urnzwayzmoove 11 months ago
1~@urnzwayzmoove "he DID say to celebrate his death...not his birth so..."
He never said celebrate His death. The passover feast was to celebrate the freedom that came by the death of the first born. So, when Christians celebrate the Passover, we are celebrating liberty through the sacrifice of Jesus-not His death. Also, JW's don't celebrate, they mourn. Their passover celebrations, or "the memorial", is very solemn. There is not celebrating going on.
rpierre777 11 months ago
@rpierre777 Umm the definition of celebrate: to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites. He did say "keep doing this in remembrance of ME" Oh and I never noticed any "mourning" going on :p lol Have a nice day!
urnzwayzmoove 11 months ago
@urnzwayzmoove "Oh and I never noticed any "mourning" going on"
Well, as an insider, you wouldn't. However, as an outsider looking in, it is easier to see what's going on.
rpierre777 11 months ago
@urnzwayzmoove "He did say "keep doing this in remembrance of ME""
Exactly! We have to remember that it was by Him that we have our freedom. In order to understand what He was talking about, you have to understand what the passover was about.
rpierre777 11 months ago
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@urnzwayzmoove "to perform (a sacrament or solemn ceremony) publicly and with appropriate rites."
So, what are the "appropriate rites" of a wedding, honeymoon, etc. (scripturally speaking?
rpierre777 11 months ago
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2~@urnzwayzmoove "he DID say to celebrate his death...not his birth so..."
When Jesus said, "do in remembrance of me", He was talking about the celebration of freedom the Israelites celebrated because of their release from Egypt. (Lk 22:19) So, Jesus is saying we should celebrate our freedom, but do it in remembrance of Him and not that which was done in Egypt.
rpierre777 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 yikes
singapore7773 1 year ago
@praiseJah7 wow that is crazy. can u say Jansenism ..... sheeeesh
singapore7773 1 year ago
JW's simply drew a line about what they consider as pagan. Just for the record at one stage JW's or as they were then know as Bible Students they celebrated birthdays. Sorry we choose to draw the line we do but as you acknowledge that is our view. I believe that you are much to judgmental trying to keep you cake & eat it at the same time. ( just funning with you . By the way I gave up birthdays once I turned 30 after that I don't count. )
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
Do you believe in the Eternal Father?
knowfather1 1 year ago
Hey buddy, did you know that when King Solomon let his pagan wives celebrate their beliefs he lost his kingdom? Birthday's are pagan, and like you put up on the screen, do n ot go beyond what is not written. Wedding rings are a protection, if a man see's a ring on a woman's finger he is less likely to hit on her. Rings weren't part of a religious ceremony, birthday's are, wedding cakes weren't part of a religious ceremony, birthday's are, get it?
kindlyplease 1 year ago
@kindlyplease nice reasoning ;)
cashman2115 1 year ago
@kindlyplease Hmm since when are birthdays part of a religious ceremony? Rings CAN be part of a religious ceremony if the couple gets married in a church. There is nothing pagan about birthdays. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
LeftyBlue 1 year ago
@kindlyplease "Rings weren't part of a religious ceremony,"
So, what wedding ceremony held in a religion setting does not include the exchanging of rings?
rpierre777 1 year ago
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@kindlyplease "wedding cakes weren't part of a religious ceremony"
So, what wedding ceremony held in a religion setting does not include wedding cakes?
rpierre777 1 year ago
@kindlyplease When has birthdays been a part of a religious ceremony? In other words, what religious ceremony required the celebration of a birthday?
rpierre777 1 year ago
@kindlyplease "Hey buddy, did you know that when King Solomon let his pagan wives celebrate their beliefs he lost his kingdom?"
Their celebrations were of false gods, not birthdays....
rpierre777 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Of course they're going to change their predictions. I assume you don't like scientist and geographers also. They're lying and untrustworthy. After all, they did say the earth was flat. How dare they! Don't you agree they should all be hanged? How dare astrolgers say the earth is the center of the universe. Filthy liars. Doesn't that upset you SPS?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon The big difference would be that the people you mention do not claim to be "Gods channel of communication" nor do they shun people who disagree with them.
21crosscheck21 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 What difference does it make? 21CrossCheck you fail to realize that they still do have opinions. JW's aren't angels or any perfect robot drone that's copied&pasted. They can have opinions as to whether the end will come. They never said those years will be in the bible, ex" the world will end on 2012 (Luke14:6)" All those predictions were based on what they saw and experienced, and they wanted to share that with their brothers and sisters.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 There's only shunning to those that deliberately come to fight and hackle against us. That goes with anyone, you'd do it do if someone has nothing to do but argue and debate against you, 'trolling' as it were. Unlike witnesses, who use research, evidence, scriptures, reasonings, rather just sitting there going, "Well I! fell that bla bla, well I! think that bla bla, well I just don't Think that," constantly badgering, no one wants that. An athiest doesn't want that.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
1~@Iwant2Spoon " Unlike witnesses, who use research, evidence, scriptures, reasonings..."
That's a pet peeve of mines where JW's think they are the only ones who uses research and those other things. It is apparant that JW's only use this information when it supports them. (Continue...)
rpierre777 1 year ago
2~@Iwant2Spoon (Continue...) Examples: JW's will gather information from Catholic Encyclopedia when it supports their views, but then turn right around and say Catholics don't understand God nor the things of God. (If that's true, then why do you use their research to validate your claims?) JW's "praise" the fact that Arius was exiled by the Council of Nicene during the Trinity debate. Yet, they condemn the Catholic view of the Trinity, which was the beleifs that got Arius exiled!
rpierre777 1 year ago
3~@Iwant2Spoon (Continue...) (They ignore that little fact, though.) They stand behind "reasoning" that started by a few people accepting the commentation on the bible and not actual historical facts on the subject matter. (Is it a wonder how so many scholars disagree with JW's on the historical facts of Christianity?)
rpierre777 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 99% they constantly talk and discuss eachothers opinions, they're called bible studies, you know, the thing you rediculed on another video? During those bible studies it's not just the witness reading from the book verbatim for 30 minutes then leaving. I've been to many and typically the witnesses that actually know what they're talking about hardly use the book. Sometimes it will take 4 days just to finish one chapter, and the chapters are usually 5 pages long.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21
Thats called new light, its clearly in the bible that God will make it it brighter to see for us when the time advances.
murderboytje 7 months ago
@Iwant2Spoon name a scientist or geographer who said the world was flat? please
singapore7773 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf I'm pretty sure every witness has. So we don't know when armegedon will come. We can't guess? We can't see and go oh, all these wars, this world will end in 1914! What's wrong with saying that? World War I started. Did someone ever say, "In the Bible, it will end there!" No. You're saying that because people guessed based on the tradegies they saw, then everything they stand for is false.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf No I'm not a "GB", and there you go again with predictions, well maybe I didn't have this talk with you already, perhaps someone else. Jw's can't see the future, I know you want to believe that. Every guess was made based on what they saw. No Jehovah's Witness ever said, "In the bible the world will end on bla bla bla", the bible says that armegedon will come as a thief in the night. Have you ever read that scripture?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
its something how jehovah witness dnt celebrate birthdays but yet have baby showers wow isnt a baby shower about the same thing as a birthday gifts cake celebrating the life of the unborn child who is soon to come in this world boy i tell u these people are so confused we are born sinners and thats a fact people do wrong all the time they are false prophets who preach in the church so does that mean we are not aloud to go to church for a few bad apples i dnt think so wake up people
2hottric 1 year ago
Yes you where right in thinking i have become an Atheist ,although many scripture still make sense the sermon on the mound for instance, science has outdone the bible in every way shape and form and continues to discover more about the world we live in everyday .
In my humble opinion the bible is a relic that has become no more than a box to trap and control small minds the answers we are all seeking are inside oneself
a man who has no fears has no need of a god for guidance.
FrankaDith 1 year ago
@FrankaDith How has science made the bible outdated? In what terms has it? And how does the bible trap the mind? You make it seem like the bible is nothing but a book full of " Don't's " And
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@FrankaDith Forget the 'and'
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
You seem to devote a lot of time to this sort of thing ,its hard to change people who are deluding themselves and frankly i dont see the need of it ,all organized religions are in a sense stuck in the box they made saying this is our beliefs ,i think the better way is to go your own way leaving ones mind open as you go about living your life ,cause in my opinion there is no end to this kinda debate.
To many wars have already been fought on religion doctrine already.
FrankaDith 1 year ago
@FrankaDith You have a point with the religious war things. Jevovah's Witness though have no part in wars, if that's what you were somewhat getting at, if not then nevermind. Still, the open mind thing isn't really rational, unless you're atheist. If so then I can see why you want an open mind. But it's always good to see the truth and backing inside of an organization before you join it. Because an organized faith makes more sense then just saying, "Do what makes you feel happy."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@FrankaDith
JWs little more of a doomsday cult
WatchTower Sept 15th 2010 pg.13 /8
"The Governing Body publishes... not from men but from Jehovah"
Predictions made in publications/announcements of 1877, 1891, 1904, 1916, 1917, 1920, 1922, 1924, 1938, 1941, 1942, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1984, (predictions were for 1914, 1918,1925, 1941-2, 1975 and many more for a pre 2000 Armageddon) never come true.
2034 strongly hinted at, but 'Generation' teaching puts Armageddon up to 90 years from now
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Those were guesses, if you've read the bible then you'd know that no one knows when Armegedon is coming. Even Witnesses don't know. What's wrong with saying, 'Hey maybe this is the year?' You twist words around like a Devils Advocat, a true witness would understand that only Jesus and God know when Armegedon is coming. Witnesses never knew and will never know until that day arrives. Those were simply guesses based on what they say. Like personally I feel Armegedon~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf will come in a year or two, honestly. Maybe even 5 years but that's stretching it. And that's based on what I see. The "Great Tribulation" will come as a thief in the night. And the Governing Body knows that, those were just educated guesses. I'm assuming you dog out scientists for hypothosizing also?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon yah I rember those days, my parents were floor'ed my first day of school, they always thought i'd never go to school in this system. AND highschool, I was told all my early school years i'd never see high school. I never dreamed I would have got married in this old system... but I did. And now my parents are old and divorced and remarried and moved away and puzzeled that Armageddon hasn't come yet. 4 generations in my family now have been told they would live to see the end. *sigh*
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf That is confusing I know. My dad tells me all the time that I will never see 40. Does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses see the future? Does that mean only JW's know when Armegedon is coming..? No. Those are guesses, some JW's take it more serious than others. They're just getting you prepared so you won't go, "WHY NOW?" But no JW knows, no matter how many times my dad says, "Son!? D-DAY IS COMING TOMORROW! =]" That doesn't mean when Thursday comes~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf (cont.) I'm going to go. "Man, he lied. I guess this religion is false." Lolwhat? No one knows. Even if the old men in brooklyn making the magazines say, "In 2012 Armegedon is coming, so get prepared, quit your jobs, and pray to Jehovah!" When Jan 1 2013 rolls around, am I going to say, "Wow, they lied, I don't trust JW's anymore." Any JW would know that No One knows. Every JW made a guess based on what they saw. But the bible says D-day would come like a thief.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon But the problem with this is the WatchTower says this comes from Jehovah and you have to accept it, that crosses the line.
WatchTower Sept 15th 2010 pg.13 /8
"The Governing Body publishes... not from men but from Jehovah"
Should they be getting it wrong at all, should they even hint at dates that wiz right on by. And most importantly should they be disfellowshiping and have people shunned when they don't agree. Sorry, but any other religion would be considered false prophet.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Okay, explain to me what's the deal, you're saying, because what they publish is entirely in the lord, and what they do is entirely in God's name. And they're the only ones fully and completely following all of God's laws, that they can't say it's from God? You're banishing an entire religion on not their actions, not how they tell you how to act, but because they know that what they give to use to feed us spiritually is from God, they're apostate?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf They're false prophets..? How in the world are they false prophets? Are they pretending to be God? Is it one person with a tall hat in his 80's coming out wanting to be the Messiah? Are they all-holy and have expensive houses and tv shows? Do they free helicopter rides and business contracts 'in the name of the lord'? They mean it's the word of God. I should know because I actually do truthful research on them and I go their meetings, believe me when I say I know.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Are you saying your one of the Governing Body? I am an active Jehovahs Witness right now, born and rasied for 35 years so, was an MS on my way to being an elder. I have talked to GB members and have friends and family who have serve (slave) in Bethel and i've been there many times, so what do you know that I don't? I have cross referenced every teaching past and present. They have yet to get one prediction right, you never know from one minute to the next what teaching WILL change.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon You can't prove they were chosen from the bible. Would God chose someone to be his representative and get all predictions wrong? Oh and the GB do have a good life, a very good life, I have friends in the higher-up and my grandmother lived there for many years. Anyone who makes claims that "what they say is from God" you better be able to prove it and have a convincing tract record... both of which the Governing Body cannot do. If you did an honest evaluation like you said you did..
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon then you would have read the books Crisis of Conscience, Captives of a Concept, Gentile Times Reconsidered, Combatting Cult Mind Control. If you haven't read these then you haven't finished your research. Also google 'watchtower quotes'. My sister inlaws step dad was a MS and was having sex with her for years and he was promoted to an elder. My cousin was molested/raped by an elder and his son many time until she commited sucide a few years later for this. Look at silentlambs com
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
If it says, "he that regards one day as special, does so to the lord", how is it not obvious that it should be Memorial Day? The day we gave sacred appreciation to Jesus Christ and his ransom sacrifice? Birthdays have no sacred regards to the lord. Birthdays are simply to celebrate the human, so how is it "to the lord?"
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 Romans 14:5-6 was taken out of context. He regards one day as special does so , to the lord', meaning Memorial Day, you just said "Does so to the lord". That scripture plainly states that if one man does make only one day special, it should be to the lord. Aren't birthdays to humans? Aren't birthdays about the human's special day? How is that in anyway about the lord? Can't athiest do birthdays? What's the difference between you and an athiest when it comes to birthdays?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon So you are trying to attach astrology and sorcery to birthdays?Is this because a birthday is a certain day on a calendar? Do not forget God created
the day night and year. Gen1:4 The Lord has given us life on our day and it does not matter when we worship him. The fact is an anniversary or birthday used to thank the Lord could never be consided a sin.A birthday is nothing more than an anniversary of a special event. Abraham had a party for isaac when he was weaned 1st yr Gen21:8
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Am I trying to attach...? It's facts? Such up the origin of birthdays, anybody will tell you that knows. And I don't understand what You Are trying to attach? Yes God did event night and day, so how does that justify that celebrating your date of birth is alright? And when you look up the word weaned, it means to introduce your child to solid foods... weaning an infant is when you get it used to solid foods... In Genesis 21:8 Abraham gave a feast because Isaac started weaning.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon I only go by the bible the word of God . The Bible does not condemn birthdays or advocate wedding anniversary but we still celebrate them.oh by the way the watchtower had no problem celebrating 100 years the birth of their organization lol.
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos There's nothing wrong with celebrations. Witnesses celebrate things, celebrations aren't sins. Abraham was happy that Isaac grew up, to a certain degree. It had nothing to do with Isaac's birthday, Genesis 21:8 only says, "Now the child kept growing and came to be weaned; and Abraham then prepared a big feast on the day of Isaac’s being weaned." Look up the origin of birthdays anywhere, it'll tell you.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Yes your right celebrations are not a sin. weather birthday anniversary or wedding its not what you celebrate, it how you celebrate it. Christians are not to judge the practice of other Christians in respect to doubtful things Rom14:2-3 .
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos That makes no sense. Based on what you say then there are no limits to what we can do as long as we arn't harming anybody. And plus, how does that benefit Christians? If christians aren't allowed to help others that go astray then what limits are there? Why can't a peaceful family roast around a campfire with marshmellows praying to a pig god that watches over crops? Or a little child have a golden lamb in his roam he speaks in tongues to on Sundays? They still go to church though.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos And based on your saying also just because it does not say it in the bible black and white, then there's no rule against it? That goes exactly to my illustration about the bear trap in every way, shape, and form. Do you know how endless the bible would be if it had to say every single rule black and white in a straight command Rhmarinos? The bible doesn't say anything about hacking someones account and using it from mself. The bible doesn't say I shouldn't use graffiti,
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon (cont.) the bible also doesn't say that when celebrating birthdays I can't do a celebration ritual infront of a fire with cooked pigs in order to bless out celebrations. I still go to church though? If based on what you say, you ignore principles and lessons, because in the bible it just does not say directly word-for-word, "Humans should not celebrate birthdays," then there will be a lot of low standards about what we can and can't do. Of course it's alright to help Christians.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Rhmarinos (cont.) in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinner, and cursed God in their hearts. This did Job continually."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Rhmarinos (Job 1:4) "And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. (Job 1:5) "And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon job 1-5 When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and consecrate them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said,( "Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.") Thus Job did continually.
" It is not a sin to have birthday Job was pious man fearing God. They MAY!! have have just dismissed God from their hearts but job permitted the birthdays yearly."
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos He permitted the birthdays? Do you have proof of that? And answer me this, give me a yes or no? Out of respect, just a say or no. If the bible gives 3 examples of birthdays. 3 examples, all 3 of them having some negative outcome, whether it be Pharoah who did not believe in God or had faith in him, Herod with the death sentence of John, or Job's children, which he later pleaded for God to forgive. Are you honestly fighting hard to find a loophole through all three negative examples?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Yes he did . he never interrupted or try to stop the feast read Job 1-8 God said have you considered my servant Job? For there is one like him on earth,blameless and up right. If he permitted a pagan celebration he would not be blameless why did he wait or not stop it. Because it is not a sin to have a feast on your day .Burnt offerings in that time was a normal thing to do read leviticus
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Oh that's what you're trying to say. Still God commands us not to worship him and other Gods. Not only that but God disapproves of astrology, something birthdays are deeply rooted in. Noticed Isaiah 47:13-15, you can't get around the fact that birthdays are deeply rooted in the act of atrology and horoscopes, and also you can't get around the fact that God doesn't not like atrology and furtune telling and such. Plus putting two & two together, if God does not approve of birthdays~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon (cont.) then what else would Job be making a burnt offering for? It must conclude to the celebration his sons and daughters made. And yes you were right. Burnt offerings were a practice before Jesus' death. I agree with you on that.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon I hope the part of not worshiping God is a typo. (John 4:24) Worship God in spirit and truth. A birthday is a celebration of life, thanking God for each year he has given to you, it has nothing to do with sorcery. All our dates and time come from reading the sun, moon and stars (luke 21:25). In (Matt 2:1-11) you have all three 1: following a star 2: birthday gifts 3: true worship.
rhmarinos 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Yeah, I meant to say God commands us not to worship both him and other Gods. Meaning worship him along.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos And although you mean well Rhmarinos, but just because something is innocent doesn't make it right. Not every pagan ritual is evil and sacrifices babies like you think. I know bithdays are about celebrating God's gift of life, but the simple fact it's the wrong way to do it. Why else would you put one day on a calender to appreciate someone? Shouldn't you appreciate them everyday? Every morning appreciate life and God's thanks? Why do you only have to do it once a year?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Notice what the Bible says about astrology and fortune telling at Isaiah 47:13-15: "You have grown weary with the multitude of your counselors. Let them stand up, now, and save you, the worshipers of the heavens, the lookers at the stars, those giving out knowledge at the new moons concerning the things that will come upon you. Look! They have become like stubble. A fire itself will certainly burn them up.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos They will not deliver their soul from the power of the flame. There will be no glow of charcoals for people to warm themselves, no firelight in front of which to sit down. Thus they will certainly become to you, with whom you have toiled as your charmers from your youth. They will actually wander, each one to his own region. There will be no one to save you."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Also, The World Book Encyclopedia states: "The early Christians did not celebrate His ,Christs, birth because they considered the celebration of anyones birth to be a pagan custom."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos It was feared that evil spirits were particularly attracted to people on their birthdays. To protect them from harm, friends and family would to come be with the birthday person and bring good thoughts and wishes. Giving gifts brought even more good cheer to ward off the evil spirits. This is how birthday parties began. In ancient times, people prayed over the flames of an open fire. They believed that the smoke carried their thoughts up to the gods.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Today, we believe, that if you blow out all your candles in one breath, your wish will come true. Thousands of years ago, when men looked up into the night sky and charted the stars, they invented calendars and calculated the birth dates, to the very hour, of kings, rulers and their successors. These ancient pagan astrologers meticulously examined horoscopes and birthday omens because they believed that the fate of the rich and powerful might affect an entire society.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Actually, let me rephrase that, are you trying to say, that with all three examples, which did not turn out positive, you're still trying to find a loophole within them that allows you to continue to celebrate your date of birth? Why are you trying so hard to find a loophole? Are you that determined? Given the bible has 3 straight examples of birthday experiences? When birthdays are of a pagan origin?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon
"Ephesus of Artemis" Pagan God of the WatchTower.
Weddings are Pagan.
There is a pagan god of 'Laughing', there is a pagan god for just about everything. Whats going on here is you are part of a high control religious cult that limits it's members in many ways to keep control of you.
Research your faith. You don't need a cult they need you. You have Jesus without a false prophet Organization telling you what to believe. Be careful, people want to take advantage of you.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Right, you're not really saying anything of value because most of your accusations are inaccurate and false. High control? Just how much control do you they they have? And give me an example of this high control. Be careful, the satan loves a wondering mind.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Please by all means, go and tell your elders you are conversing with opposers and apostates on the internet, i'd love to hear how that turns out for you. Take it a step further and explain to them you reject the WT council and continual warning of talking online to apostates/opposers.. and let the fireworks begin. Feel free to look up images "Artemis of Ephesus". BUt please continue your pointless crusade against cakes, candles and children having fun. Peace
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf Lol, what was that? Some kind of childish remark, followed by a sarcastic exit? If you wanted to do was say something then leave so you won't be responded to, then don't say anything at all. The 'peace' at the end was cute though. It showed that you use sarcasm then log off and leave so the other can't respond. What's with all the 'pleases?' do you want to be taken seriously?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Your reactions are entertaining, you seem afraid of the points I bring up. Birthdays are the least of your worries my friend. No matter, do what they tell you, believe only what they say, and enjoy your life under their control. I wish you the best.
Peace
Agape
Christ Love
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@rhmarinos Author Ralph Linton reveals the underlying reason for this n their book The Lore of Birthdays, they write "Mesopotamia and Egypt, the cradles of civilization, were the first lands in which men remembered and honoured their birthdays. The keeping of birthday records was important in ancient times principally because a birth date was essential for the casting of a horoscope." Yet you try to corellate birthdays and God? Or do you think you can both worship God, and commit pagan customs?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Rhmarinos, Keep reading. Job 1:5 is right after Job 1:4, when the sons and daughters were celebrating their birthdays Job the next day went to God and sacrificed a burnt offering saying that they have sinned.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
Now, since the bible only gave TWO examples of birthday celebrations, and BOTH of them were bad, does that mean that a man would sit there and study it then go, ''Well? It doesn't say I can't... so, it's 'all good.' " If people (and they do nowadays) do something just because it's not written down in pen, then this world (and it is) would be in a terrible place. That's like seeing a bear trap & seeing broken legs around it and the blade is bloody, then going, "Well? It doesn't say keep off."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
"Do not celebrate birthdays," that means that it's up to the person to consider the reasonings to whatever he likes. But that just isn't true, because consider 2 Timothy 3:16 from the New World Translation. "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" and in the King James, " All teaching is given by insperation of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction."
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon yall new world translation please and who is it written by oh yeah yall u going back and fourth with that person but yall are full of it like 21 cross said if u are not going to celebrate one thing then dnt celebrate the other and i saw that u type that god did not mention it in the bible god mention everything in the bible that he was against so trust me he would not leave that out if he was aginst it i would like to know whats the perpose of a baby shower because yall do have it
2hottric 1 year ago
@2hottric Lol.. the NWT is exactly the same as every other bible version. I said God did not say it in black and white "Do not celebrate birthdays" but I know God is against it because he said not to be in astrology and pagan customs, which birthdays are both. When you put 2&2 together it's not that hard. A baby shower is the celebration that a baby is here.. what's your point? It has nothing to do with astrology, it has nothing to do with pagan customs, you're happy your baby is here because~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon Bah, the continued part didn't send and I lost my train of thought.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon what are u serious it is the same thing what does birthdays have cake gifts food ballons and fun things u might add to it and what does baby showers have gifts ballons cake food and lil extra i ever u celebrate it, its both celebrating ur life or childs life same thing sweetie and no i read the nwt the stuff that they have in there is not the same thing as the holy bible esp the nkjv if thats was the cass what would they need what the nwt bible it would not be needed
2hottric 1 year ago
@2hottric Lol... you're looking at only the fun part of birthdays. What's the difference between your excuse to celebrate birthdays and my excuse to have balloons and parties and cakes after sacrificing a cow and spreading the blood over my childs face and praying to Baal for a healthy corn season? No difference. Birthdays are just as pagan and wrong. But? You don't see that part. You just see the happy and funny-fun time you can have. :D?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@2hottric You're like a mouse looking at a mouse-trap and wondering why I'm not munching on that sweaty smelling mozerella chunk on the end. I see the lever in the background ready to snap, yet all you see is that melting dairy. Likewise, I know the truth and history of birthdays and it;'s pagan astrology, while you only see the balloons. What dark pagan ritual is in with baby showers? Are we blowing out candles so the smoke can carry our wishes to the gods? Or chanting a lullaby to please Zues?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon and another thing what did the tree wise men bought to jesus gifts rite celebrating the life of gods creation some people believe it was when he was born but others believe when he was a child but regardless when the gifts were bought to him the were honoring the child of god like i said in my post we were born into sin and people are going to do things that is not pleasing to god but the ? is how are u going to serve him i have news for u they have pastors who are false prophets
2hottric 1 year ago
@2hottric That entire story is faulty.. Pm to get the real situation, the "three wise men that came to the newborn Jesus"? Nowhere in the bible, I would really love for you to show me. And the NWT is for people in the 21st century to understand it. Because no one uses "thy, thou, whence, thouest" anymore. There are dozens of translations, but I'm assuming only the KJ is the right one? And give me examples of the NWT changing doctrines please. I really want to see 2Hottric.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@2hottric And those "3 wise men" weren't men of God. Interesting isn't it? Yes it was for his birthday or something like that. But whatever they did, it wasn't in God's name. So why follow their actions? It wasn't backed by God. And I'm not looking for pastors, all Churches don't teach fully in the Lord. I don't trust churches anymore. They only follow 63% of the bible.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon well actually in the bible nkjv in the book of matthew it doesnt say how many wise men their were but the wise men were scholars and therefore had access to the writing of daniel prophecy the wise men were magi.the magi were ancient interpreters of dreams and were astrologers.And also remember that herod found out that they were on there way to see jesus and he had them come to him to find out were jesus was so he pretented to be as spirtual as the wise men and said to them-
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon once u find the child come back and tell me so that i may go and worship him to but God warned them in a dream against returning to herod so in defiance of the king they left judea by another route these gifts that the wise men were to bring were gold,frankincense and myrrh the reason why they knew what gifts to bring because they study this prophecy book of daniel and knew exactly the kind of gifts to bring to the king but of course they did not know how to get their-
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon so they rely on there faith and threw there faith God guided them by a star and they were joyful to see the son of God so rememeber paul speaks about a cheerful giver (2corintians 8:7-8) but jus as we excel in everything in faith in speech in knowledge in complete earnestness and in ur luv for us see that u also excel in this grace of giving i am not commanding u but i want to test the sincerity of ur luv by comparing it the earnestness of others
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon gg
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon so the ? is do u evn know what pagan mean paganism has its roots of idolatrous,religious practices beliefs that are condemmed in the word of god and the two men who a lot of JW focus on were pharaoh of egypt and king herod its obvious these two men of record were observing a day associated with themselves and not an idol or pagan god so there birthdays had nothing to do with paganism.a lot of things are orgin from paganism but yet we use them we have them and we evn celebrate
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon it not to say we do for rituals and pagan practise rather u dnt know this or not wedding rings are pagan its a part of gold silver which many years ago they idolize and also known as the money we spend music they use music for pagan rituals funerals the egyptians use furnerals as pagan ritual but yet we have them food clothes a lot of pagan rituals use statues of different gods but yet we have statues of the virgin mary and jesus in the church god never spoke against us
2hottric 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon us celebrating things but how we celebrate god wants us to live by his laws and he do say if we dnt live by his laws did we are sinning in his eyes yes god speak aganist people who practice paganism god said in his word blessed are those who do his commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city.but outside are dogs and sorceres and sexually immoral and murders and idolaters and whoever luvs and practices a lie
2hottric 1 year ago
@2hottric You're going to need to pm me now. I'm going to flood this commentary section. Let me know you've read this by sending my a message on my profile.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon and go around claiming to christ himself saying that they are jesus and leading millions of people to hell but do that stop us for going to church listing to our pastors no the same what the birthday regardless to there pagen ideal of birthdays that does not mean we are following along with there tradition when i wake up in the moring i think god i am here and i might treat myself to a nice lunch the same with b-days u are thinking god for the years u are still here on this earth.
2hottric 1 year ago
Now, to go along with what you're saying, a Witness solely believes into the bible. Since most people who criticize Witnesses hardly understand them. It's easy to think that their rules and principles go after what other humans say. But Witnesses have no gain in making up false accusations. What they say is directly coming from the bible. Now- to go along with your statement that 'just because it's not in the bible, it means it's a 50/50' since of course it does not DIRECTLY say,
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
Everything that is in the Bible is there for a reason. ''The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of Christians of this period in general." - The history of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries by Augustus Neander. "The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birthdays as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common oberservances associated with these days." The Imperial Bible-Dictionary.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
Mm, right, well for starters just to put this out there as a disclaimer: I am not a Jehovah's Witness, I am a deist and I study religions for the knowledge, and one of the things I have studied on Jehovah's Witnesses is this on birthdays~ Birthday: (Encylopedia Britanicca) The day of one's birth or the anniversary of that day. In some places the anniversary of one's birth, especially that of a child, is celebrated with a party and giving of gifts. Not a biblical practice.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon look up Job 1-4 And his sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them if that not a birthday what is!
rhmarinos 1 year ago
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rhmarinos 1 year ago
to jw's birthdays are wrong because you are putting your self over everything and evrybody that 1 day and in a since its kind of like your being worshiped which is wrong.
e10ish 1 year ago
JWs are full of crap. You gotta look at their doctrine that totally does not make sense. Come on! Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ? Lol. Ok so Christ was going to come back in 1914 but he came invisibly??? OK, what about 1975. Such false prophesies that only an idiot would believe and only an idiot would be weak enough to fall into this cesspool of lies and misery. If you are a JW, you MUST REPENT and forsake that false religion that WAS FOUNDED BY THE DEVIL, THE FATHER OF ALL LIES!
crxracer805 1 year ago
Uncross your eyes and see the truth, Jehovah created the heavens and the earth.
What did you do that you deserve any glory ?
puakeazelda 1 year ago
Your comment about legalistic thinking seems to indicate you don't think Jehovah is legal! He IS legal. That doesn't mean he makes thousands of laws to cover everything..it means he is lawful. And Jehovah's laws are based on principles. We feel everything in the bible is written for a reason..we do not have to wrestle the fact that only two celebrations are mentioned..and those by pagan..or the fact that there is no mention of any worshipper of Jehovah celebrating their own birthday!
brofun 1 year ago
@brofun 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossian 2:16)
23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. (Colossians 2:23)
larry60mondello 1 year ago
@larry60mondello
larry..context is always key when reading the bible. Paul was not speaking about celebrations, days, etc of pagan worship or practice. He was speaking to Jews who, some were judging their christian brothers for observing some of the jewish fesitvals etc..like the sabboth, fesitval of palms, etc etc. These 'days' were not sins to to observe..but, what WAS a sin was believing the God required the christians to observe those fesitvals or days..or that is was a sin to obs them
brofun 1 year ago
@brofun 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. (Romans 14:5-7)
larry60mondello 1 year ago
in my opininion J.Ws are modern day pharesees.
isabellamurdock 1 year ago
I have to give you your due on this one. This is a very well made video. And looking at the comments I see that nobody has given you a satisfactory answer. I am not surprised. Do you need a scripture to make it clear; Or would even a scripture not do it for you? And the "Wrestling" the scriptures part is really ironic in that it is exactly what was done at the Council of Nicea.
ladivadivala 1 year ago
i hink that everything in the bible has a purpose. it was written over a 1400 year span. so everything needs to make a point. the bible points out two birthdays. both men had there heads chopped off. if god wants us to celebrate birthdays, why not give us good examples not these ones? God must be stating that he does not approve of birthday celebrations
shihtzufizzers 1 year ago
Thanks 21crosscheck for the vid but I wonder what doesn't Jehovah like about birthdays? Is it the recognition of the day itself or is it the cake, candles, presents or the party? If I had to guess I would say it has more to do with having TOTAL control over the sheep by the WT. Is it safe to assume that every bit of the average witness's life has to be controlled?
SuperDbob 1 year ago
NOTE: Jesus dose not hate nor shall anyone
MrBUDDYBOY26 1 year ago
Romans 14 5 In the same way, some may think that one day is more holy then another, while others think that every day is alike. Each person should have a personel conviction about this matter
kornrocksmyworld2005 1 year ago
well everything in the bible has a purpose. so the mentioning of those two birthdays in the biblemust have a purpose. so was it meant for us to celebrate them? wouldn't seem like it. jesus family john the baptist was killed at a birthday celbration. Jesus birthday is never mentioned in the bible either. why? The bible also states that the day of our death is more important than the day of our birth. we are a clean slate at birth. what we do with our life is what is important
shihtzufizzers 1 year ago
Why does it matter if a particular group like the JWs think it's wrong to celebrate birthdays? Every religion has its own restrictions that seem unreasonable to outsiders. It's no different than if a Jewish person thinks sinful to eat pork or if a Christian thinks its sinful to miss one day of church, which also the Bible doesn't explicitly require you to do. Many things like birthdays aren't wrong in and of themselves, but rather because it tends to distract you from serving God or others.
rery8889 1 year ago