@peyotecactus Because that aircraft doesn't have a sensor hooked up to its door. The black box has a data point for it, but if there is no actual physical sensor attached then hey, guess what? It'll never register that door opening or closing.
@Tinfoilnation A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.
Beyond exceptional "piloting" skills from an individual who, in addition to weighing 109 pounds at 5'4" and never having remotely been behind the wheel of any Boeing equipment, all the more anything commercial could drop 8,000 feet in a 330 degree descending maneuver that realized upwards of 5.6 negative G's all the while perfectly maintaining airspeed. Amazing. And then, ever so perfectly at beyond acceptable speed threshold, place the projectile, I mean craft against a five story building.
@death2pc A truther never lets facts get in the way of a kook theory. If the aircraft had pulled 5.6 negative Gs for even *one second* the pilot would have been at BEST blinded for life and more probably brain dead - this is of course assuming he could get to negative 5 before the wings ripped off (which would happen at about -2 to -3 on a big passenger jet)
The history of the Mossad is carrying out false flags and using arabs as patsies or framing arabs. The history of the CIA is also one of carrying out false flags and blaming others. The US military has a colorful history of false flags. Combined, these 3 groups had the means,the motive and methods to carry out a false flag. By doing this false flag on 911 when 7 other war games were underway, many folks stood down as they thought this was a drill. How did cave dwellers know about these drills?
there is no credible evidence 19 arabs flew as terrorists on 911. 7 of those persons were victims of stolen identify. None of the 19 names appear on passenger lists, they were never found in the wreckage, except for the passport of Mohammed Atta , a document that was found in perfect condition on the streets of NYC. That is called planting evidence. Bush and Cheney pulled out all stops to prevent a criminal investigation into 911. They know who did it.They do not want others to know.
AA70 was actually supposed to hit either the White House or the US Congress building. If you live anywhere near DC and/or fly in and out of Reagan National on a regular basis, then you know that it's blanking hard to SEE those things from overhead, much less actually hit them. OTOH, the Pentagon sits on a nice, flat, open bit of land and is REALLY easy to see, and this pilot's trying to swing a 767(?) down and in low enough to actually hit something of value.
The answer to your question "why not dive straight in?" is right there in your own video. They were still at 8000+ feet and he probably figured he was about to overshoot. The pilot isn't the *LEAST* bit concerned about intercept because prior to 9/11 an intercept wasn't even a consideration. Gawd I hate truthers.
Why we cant get any videomaterial that shows a plane crashing into the pentagon then? No cameras around the center of secret services and operations? Okay, maybe it "could" work to fly a boeing like this. But for a pilot with only MS-Flightsim-experience? No way! Your story works only in strange computer simulations. If i had seen anything that proofs a plane impact in the pentagon, i´d believe. Gawd, i hate stupids.
@Tinfoilnation This was the comment i was looking for, or was going to add. "Why not push the nose straight down into the pentagon?" Because he was at 8,000 ft.
@390bullitt1968 lol...no shit. i'll be honest. i never question anything until the pentagon stuff stood out. the plane flew over one of the mst traffic conjested areas in north va...over a military base/arlington cemetary....this mess is just too shady and i have never seen multiple witnesses
The previous comment is based on ignorance. The NTSB (not NTSC) Flight path report showed Flight 77's air speed at 460 knots (530 mph) upon impact at the Pentagon. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is what the government itself reported, and "ground effect" prevents an airliner from flying over 400 mph close to the ground.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
The conspiracy theory was wrong, the NTSC report is showing BETWEEN 240-300 KIAS Knots in True Airspeed and it is possible to perform these kinds of maneuver under this airspeed. Don't you think the Americana gov would have written the script before taking action
Flight 77’s cockpit door never opened during flight. The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) begins recording the flight door status once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
If the cockpit door never opened, how could the hijackers storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane? The data, which originated from the government, does not support the official story.
@infoseeker264 how does your pencil neck support your giant freeking brain?!? You're obviously the only one who could figure this out. were it not for you all us little lemmings would surely perish at the hands of our evil gov handlers. Good freaking greif kid. do normal shit in your room. jerk it to a JC Penny catalog or something. Stop being so freaking wierd.
@infoseeker264 you must feel pretty damned indestructable while you sit in your step daddy's big house and fluff your feathers all out like some baney rooster. I suspect that you don't really act so tough in the real world do you little guy?
The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulates a Boeing 757 crashing into the building.
Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.
w w w .usatoday .com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
"In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say."
What happened at the Pentagon to the best of my knowledge is this: At 8:20am EDT, Flight 77 (the decoy) took off from Dulles International Airport is to be involved in a drill (Global Guardian '01) demonstrating the anti-hijacking system -- the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot -- Canada was selling the USA. The goal of the drill ... to successfully, electronically "hijack" Flight 77 then land it safely to a predetermined location.
@OperationMockingbird It involved two teams -- red team attackers and blue team defenders. The "target" of this drill is simulating a 757 crashing into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was a member of red team attackers acting as the "suicide plane." The blue team defenders were inside the Pentagon.
@OperationMockingbird At 8:54am EDT, in the vicinity of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (which happened to be participating in the Global Guardian '01 war game,) red team "hijacks" Flight 77 electronically by the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot through KU bandwidth via Wide Area Augmentation System and starts to head south then east.
Red team turns Flight 77's transponder off at 8:56am EDT.
@OperationMockingbird As Flight 77 heads back east, while in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base airspace, a drone (a Raytheon A-3 Skywarrior in American Airlines 757 colors,) rendezvous behind Flight 77. Minutes later red team takes Flight 77 out and over Warning Area 386 (W-386) airspace and remotely detonates it.
The drone takes the place of the decoy (Flight 77.)
@OperationMockingbird Blue team is oblivious to the fact that red team switched planes. Thinking it was Flight 77, the plane got within three minutes of the Pentagon. Captain Gerald DeConto, a member of blue team, recognized that a double-cross had taken place as Flight 77 (really the drone,) was supposed to turn around fly back to land at a specific location.
@OperationMockingbird At around 9:37am EDT, DeConto was on the phone with Secretary of the Navy Gordon R. England attempting to get permission to launch defensive weapon(s) to defeat the A-3 as an AGM-12C missile flew through his window of the US Naval Command Center followed by the drone killing him instantly.
reagan controll.to in and outbound . traffic is a 757 not responding. pls report them insight........meanwhile ATC calls norad.ring ringg. hello is this norad...this is norad the most powerfull defense system...:ATC:yes norad we have a rouge 757 could u pls intercept...:norad. no wher to busy playing games with the rusians....
Right!! So i guess the NTSB spend their time drafting up reports on flight data recorders that really did not come from the Pentagon. One of the most meticulously trained agencies around.. No clue what they are doing!!! That ALONE should be enough proof the plane hit the building. But if you still have trouble with that perhaps the shredded metal on the front lawn that says. AMERICAN AIRLINES on it could help you!!!
@roquefortfiles Agreed, there are so many pictures of debris, landing gear, black boxes were found etc.. but they still believe a missile hit the pentagon...
I take what I said back: the animation's decent, but this vid was utterly *RUINED* by the dolt who cut it up in WinShit Dookie Maker and added the *stupidest*, most retarded fucking captions to it!
I wouldn't place this under my account, much less put my own *name* on it! It's THAT stupid!
If you think those final inputs are precise, you are smoking pot. Watch final approach videos of real pilots landing aircraft. Their movements on the yoke are fluid. Not jerky.
@johndoeXLC For some reason, I'm compelled to imagine that a small Cessna single-prop flies much differently than an aircraft engineered with an electronic flight deck that is designed to push the flight envelope of said aircraft to extremes. Ever seen the RNZAF 757 handling displays? You're right, I'm not. But that doesn't mean I lack credibility. You're trying to sell this video for financial gain, wouldn't that be a slap against your own credibility? Mr. Pilot?
@johndoeXLC Mhmm. I visited that website, that's why I'm at this channel. It's nice to see you're trying to sell an American 77 video, and several others. You must be making some pretty good cash. If your'e trying to expose a conspiracy wouldn't it make sense to make all that material free? Hmm.. financial gain.. sounds a lot like one of those MLM schemes.
@johndoeXLC Oh, you are a real pilot. Certified to fly KingAir 200's and Dornier 328's. My, how successful. The largest operator for the 328 is a charter airline, I'll just guess that you're a "real pilot" employed by one of those charter airlines. I don't know about you, but I've addressed your pilothood. Do you care to address anything else I've said? Oh, so typical for truthers like you. Only attacking what they know they can/
First, I flew the 328Jet for Delta Connection many years ago. I havent updated it since. Second, can you land that job? If not, why not? If you still think the Pentagon is 400 feet above sea level, it is clear you wont get past even your first solo. Finally, have you visited Pilots For 9/11 Truth yet? We cover every major airline, most regional, every branch of the military, many charter and fracs. 727/737/747/757/767/777/ DC-8/9/10/MD-11. Go read and learn.
@johndoeXLC Why not? Because I'm in school. I already ceded to you that that was an assumption. Finally, yes, I have. That is why I am on this channel, as I told you a few minutes ago. Just because your members fly every Boeing aircraft manufactured means nothing for you. What, by joining your website their knowledge is infused into your soul?
i just checked out this kid's channel. Why am i not surprised i'm arguing with a simmer. I wish i had a dime each time i ran across a simmer who thought they knew more than real pilots. The best was when I had a student in my CFI days thinking he knew more about flying due to Microsoft. That until he puked out the window of a 172 at 3000 feet after a spin. I also made him wash it off after landing. Needless to say, he didnt come back. He is safer in his computer chair.
Washington Dulles International Airport is... 313 feet above sea level. Assuming that the height of the ground of the Pentagon is relatively similar to the ground at KIAD, That would mean that if the aircraft was about 480 feet above sea level (your true altitude estimate) that it was roughly 180 feet above the ground level at the last readout. Pilots don't read above sea level readouts.
What do you mean actual altitude? You can adjust.. the altimeter on aircraft to display different altitudes. Sure, true altitude was 480 feet above sea level, but the Pentagon could have been on land 400 feet above sea level. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that's the case. Altimeters are adjustable. What sense is it for a pilot to be on the ground at an airport like Denver Int'l (elev: 5,431ft) with an altitude readout of 5,431ft! It's ADJUSTED.
I do believe 9/11 was at the very least allowed to happen, but I think stronger evidence for the Pentagon not being hit by a plane is required. If the plane didn't hit those poles, what knocked them over? Also, even rense.com which is otherwise a really hardcore conspiracy site has shown evidence of engines and landing gear inside the hole: rense.com/general32/phot.htm
@kenricashe landing gear and engine could 1. preplantted. 2. Could be from a small jet remote controlled in the pentagon. People also hear a missile. 3 Security cam video is not consistend with flight 77 plane. 4. Witnesses saw plane north of Citgo station and over the navy Anex and not on route of the lightpoles this is an established fact ! Pentagon empl . saw plane flew over the building. citizens investigation team.. So indeed no boeing flew into the pentagon.
@Misstorys the FPS of that security video is not fast enough to catch the plane moving as fast as it was. I've seen the same security video where it was shown that the video IS consistent with flight 77.
@soccerguy2433 If that videocam is good enough to catch a wing (smal) than also good enough to catch more fuselage of the plane. and what is that white streak ? cant not be from the boeing itself.. not on that level of flight. and by the way where can I bey a lawn like this I want the Pentalawn.. wink wink..
@Misstorys Is that a fact? Well you might want to explain that to 4 gentlemen who were there and had the jet go over their heads so low that one of them thought the engine was going to take his head off. Not too many people have trouble identifying a 767 at LESS than tree top level. Unless of course Stevie Wonder was also there. As well as firemen on the recovery team who ID'd passenger seats attached to flooring still. I was unaware missiles had seating. FAUCK!!
1:07 no F-16 or F-15? WTF Its not like we have them on 24/7 CAP or on alert standing by to launch. This isn't the movies where it takes 1 minute to scramble 5 jets. There's no way we would have been able to get jets in the air in time for anything that day.
@soccerguy2433 If you have seen te video where. and let see that video and who are you that have seen the sec video ... secondly CIT has encountered nummerous witnesses wich saw the plane comming from another direction than over the lightpoles so and one of person of pentagon itself saw it fly over.. and the flight recording data of 77 are not conssitent with the official flight path. do you homework.. and 3rd you see a wing on that video . too small for a 757 .
@Misstorys so a video camera CAN'T possibly capture a plane moving, but a person on the ground can positively identify a plane? I's amazing the things you grasp on to validate your thinking. You see the vertical stabilizer in the video, probably the largest surface area visible to the camera at that time and white streak would be consistent with a long fuselage. Wake up bro
You really should rename your site....Grasping at Straws! Did you not know anyone in flight school who was either really, really good from the get-go, or incredibly lucky? Is your theory that Dick Cheney was running around, laughing maniacally, cutting down the light poles with a chain saw?
Honestly, the maneuver isn't that hard. It could have been practiced in a home computer flight simulator until it was perfected. The difference between maneuvering a plane in a home computer simulator and real life isn't that different. I am not talking about taking off or landing though.
The point is once you understand some basics on what an airplane can do, apply them, and then practice it...it is simple. Again, I'm not talking about TO, landing, or shooting an ils to mins with a max xw.
this maneuver was necessary in order to hit the pentagon in the accounting section of the pentagon where the records & computers were kept of DOD expenditures which just happen to be $2.3 trillion short in their records
Yeah, me too. Remember, "Terrorists" are those who "hate our freedoms".
Who exactly is taking away those "Freedoms"?
Enjoy your next TSA probe at your next showtime..
Now Google "Airline Pilots Security Alliance".
So, tell me BarbieJet driver... can you control your CRJ at 150 knots over Vmo into a target with less than 25 feet margin for error? Ever heard of Dutch Roll?
@johndoeXLC Do you know what induces dutch roll? The rudders didn't even move. Besides he's got a hell of a whole lot bigger margin than 25 feet..he's not hitting the building head on..pretty big target if you ask me.
I'll elaborate on your first post to which I replied... "Amen"
The "best pilot" of the "Hijackers" is reported to not have been able to control a Cessna at 65 knots, but the 9/11 Commission expects real pilots to believe these o called "Hijackers" controlled 757/767's, with zero time in type, at more than 110 to 150 knots over Vmo with a margin for error of less than 25 feet?
As you said,
"that's like not being able to eat fruits, but eating fruit salad."
@johndoeXLC, 3 alirliners, 3500 peolpe is what it cost to legitimize a fight that will last till the end of time, but let me tell you, that muslims will kill you within a blink if they had the chance to, its in their koran, if a non believer doesnt convert, they are to kill that person, so ur murder is justified in the mind of a muslim, and thats what makes them (dangerous)!!!!
@johndoeXLC If you were a real pilot you would know that it is harder to control a small plane at a low speed, specially if there is wind. At 65KTS, a cessna is just about at MCA at a specified configuration (no flaps). That makes it very hard to control pitch and heading. Now, increase airspeed and you will get more control.
You people making conspiracy theories need to accept what happened and not be afraid about how easy it is to get killed.
@cesario7777 - If you were a real pilot, you would know why manufacturers set limits for their aircraft and that exceeding those limits can and will cause all kinds of control problems and even structural failure. The above 757 exceeded it's redline speed by 130 knots. See patriotsquestion911(dot)com(slash)pilots to see the real pilots.
@johndoeXLC All the brain hijackers passed commercial flight training on heavies. So this notion that they were all a bunch of retards unable to find the throttles is a bunch of Youtube garbage. And as far as operating outside the plane's safe boundaries. I think you need to put yourself in the mindset of a rabid extremist hell bent to hit the target. Not an AA capt worried about spilling a gin and tonic. One is rational. The other is anything BUT!!
" I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager."CBS News (5/10/02)
@roquefortfiles -Except there is no explanation for how two 8 ton engines went into the building and left no mark. Why would a hollow aluminum cockpit be able to punch a hole through 6 feet of reinforced steel and concrete, then go through more steel and concrete and then a third time, but somehow those engines just never become a part of the picture. There were 85 active cameras that photographed the object that hit the pentagon, why not release them to the public. A coverup is the reason
You are arguing talking points from almost 4 years ago. Google "Debunking FDR Debunking" and learn. Then view the Core Member list at Pilots For 9/11 Truth. They have several trained Aircraft Accident Investigators, FDR Experts, and Heavy Jet Capts who have analyzed the data provided by the NTSB. Its clear you have no training whatsoever and are just parroting 4 year old tired information provided by anonymous sources you found on the web. You need to study more.
@CarnivoreEschelon - The NTSB makes no such claim the data they are distributing through the FOIA to the public is incorrect or not complete. If they do, please show us where the NTSB makes such a claim. No such claim exists in their Flight Path Study nor FOIA Cover letters. The NTSB data does not support the govt story of an impact. The NTB/FBI refuse to comment.
At high speed it is much easier for a suicidal raghead to do a gradual descent in an orbit rather than 'point nose straight down'. The probably of missing if he had done a quick descent would have been much higher. Conspiracy theories are getting old and are really gay unless you are a fucking retard. Drugs are available to help with your delusions.
Pentagon flight required an extra complex maneuver. To sum up, Hani Hanjour, took a 757, with zero time in type, did a 400 knot 330 degree spiraling dive at 2500 fpm, only gaining 30 knots, then 30 knots more descending from 2200 feet at full power, with a very steady hand as to not overshoot or hit the lawn, inside ground effect, at 460 knots impact speed, but was refused to rent a Cessna 172 because he couldnt land it at 65 knots.
It's not that hard to pilot a plane. Last week, it was found out that a swedish guy in Holland had been flying for 10000 flight hours for the past 10 years, when all he had was an outdated flight license for a small plane.
It's not that hard to fly it once you're in the air... Harder to land and take off.
the whole world watched the second tower being hit at 9:03 - and everyone knew America was 'under attack'yet the president sat motionless , and no planes were scrambled from Andrews airforce base to protect the capitol when it was known that other planes were hijacked - completely unbelievable and at least criminal negligence - why not evacuate the pentagon? Why would this useless pilot be able to perform such moves? And why not hit where Rumsfeld was- common knowledge- was his map upside down?
Why use the rudder? His goal was to hit the Pentagon and he obviously was able to do that. I don't care what idiotic conspiracy theorists say, this plane was hijacked and flown into the Pentagon with Hani Hanjour at the controls.
Each question you ask was a joke. You know the answer to each, yet you ask. NEVER HAS A PLANE BEEN SHOT DOWN. Bush was asked about shooting it down, he said NO. You think we would shoot down a plane, you are on crack.
They had pilots license, john doe you really saying you didn't know that? DIPSHIT he told people he's going back to land to negotiate..don't you get it, everyone thought they were going to land and be hostages.
Funny you say its fake, yet you think he flew? WTF
LOVE the little comments added in by the "experienced Airline pilot"... as if anybody could actually apply logic and sense to this whole thing.
Whether 9/11 was an "inside job" or not makes no difference --- either way, it's still a senseless and useless set of acts that should never have happened.
Let me see. The soft body of the fuselage miraculously penetrates the hardened exterior, but the 20,000 pound titanium hardened engines just bounce right off. Come on. Get real!!
this video is awsome. First, student pilots would not have pulled it off. Second, student pilots would have never tried to do that, too hard a move. I am a student pilot. Third, yes it's true, they are not concerned with intercept, somthing that would of been 100% preplanned if mission was to be a success. There was no plane!!!
first off the turn only took like 2-3 mins stop complaning about intercept. and if the government were trying to pass a story. why not just nose down?
this video is awsome. First, student pilots would not have pulled it off. Second, student pilots would have never tried to do that, too hard a move. I am a student pilot. Third, yes it's true, they are not concerned with intercept, somthing that would of been 100% preplanned if mission was to be a success. There was no plane!!!
Look my friend, Truly I am not about argueing for the sake of argueing. I am not scornfull of anyone with a different view. It's not about wether 'terrorist' are concerned with 'hard moves'. It's wether they actually have the capability to peform them or not id the question. Considering 'they' did not fly straight it, is unexplainable. But, the real question is, where are the engines, landing gear, etc. And why such a small hole in the pentagon?
1:do 45 seconds of reserch and find engine photoes from the pentagon.
2:do 45 seconds of reserch and find landign gear photoes at the pentagon
3:loose change said a 16 foot hole. in reality the entire impact zone was about 75+ feet long. google "american airliens flight 77 - 911myths" and look at the "small hole"
I really should not even dignify your arragance. Of all the footage, and photos of that day, the only piece remotely resembling a plane is a small till looking part of what lloks like could be a cessna. And some kind of small rotary engine component. Again off of a small airplane.
I saw the "9/11 Debunked: Pentagon Flight 77 Photo Evidence" video. The video keeps showing most of the same little part of aluminum from different angles. And the "c" that is suppose to be from american, I think is a hoax. I have yet to see that picture anywhere else. Furthermore, to beleive that 80% of the airplane evaporated is completly ridiculous to me. You can beleive that if you want to, I don't give a damn really. That's on you. And for heaven sake. The hole is 16'. After the collapse.
@911letsroll who says engine and landing gear are from the boeing 757 flight 77..? Can not be because this plane flew OVER the building from direction north over the anex and left of Citgo station seen by several withnesses. Yea right and the lightpole was plunged trough the windshield of the cab without a scratch or bump on the hood of the car ? Secondly cab driver admitted it was a setup..
@911letsroll If you call that a debunking then your crazy the impact hole went a long way in to the pentagon! Your Photos came a long time later in the day and could easily been planted. Stop miss leading people!!
woooow, ntaht's just crazy, i want to know what really happened, i'm not blaming anyone but from this video this person seemed 2 be experienced, very experienced
see above...the relevant portions are posted. Youtube comment section is limited. If you would like to discuss this more, feel free to visit Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum.
You have been proven wrong regarding haze with DCA METAR, distance of turn with Commission report and NTSB Data, and wrong on Obriens statements. Your continued inaccurate comments which contain personal attacks will be removed.
Q4. Lt Col. O'Brien states he initially had a 'tough time picking out the target at 4 miles through east coast haze'. DCA was reporting 10 miles and clear. The whole east coast was severe clear that day.
*NOTE: While this is not covered in the BBC documentary, LtCol OBrien indicates:
A4. I remember it being a clear day in the DC area, but I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control. When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE and was trying to make it back to National Airport. It was a few more seconds on our eastbound heading before I saw that the aircraft had impacted the west side of the Pentagon.
feel free to contact Obrien yourself through his CO...
i specifically asked obrien why he said there was haze when DCA was reporting 10 miles and clear. Again, obrien was misquoted. He was also misquoted as saying he saw the impact. He never claimed to have sene the impact..
DCA SPECI METAR proves there was no haze in the air.. The NTSB and Commission report prove you wrong regarding your assumed distance at start of turn.
sorry, i hit remove by mistake on your below comment.
Let us know when you find an interview with Obrien in which he states he saw the aircraft enter the building. Hint - you wont find one.
He lost sight of the aircraft eastbound due to the sun shining off the potomac. He didnt even know the fireball came from the pentagon till he got closer.
According to the 9/11 Commission report, the turn started 5 miles SW of the pentagon. According to the NTSB, the turn started 3.5 miles. The Report sources the NTSB data, yet they conflict (speed, time of impact, also conflict)
I have personally had an email exchange with O'Brien, the C-130 pilot. He had a hard time picking out the aircraft due to the sun shining off the potamac into his eyes, not haze. He was misquoted. He was also misquoted as he never saw the impact either.
Also, be sure to view "Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77" as we cover the issue of visibility, landmarks and the descent rates if the "hijacker" didnt make the turn and instead went straight.
Expect to be called on it when you fail to provide actual facts.
I apologize if you feel a reply with facts is "confrontational" to your excuses, but i suppose thats a matter of opinion.
You too are free to think however you wish. You can even label people who question the govt story with your broad "Truther" brush and prejudice, however, we like to stick to actual data and facts, not arguments from incredulity.
the bottom line, it couldn't hit the light poles, it was too high. 480 feet. Just high enough to do a fly over.Who ever says fighter jets went to Ny and left the Pentagon unprotected, is an idiot. There were plenty of fighter planes in the area, we could've brought that plane down in minutes, nevermind the time it took to do that ridiculous maneuver.
i agree with 767Captain... did the "pilot" even use the rudder peddles at all in the last few minutes? I know that plane wasnt coordinated! Plus you ask where the f-15 and 16s are... i dont know for a fact but im guessing in new york! plus there was so much chaos after the towers were hit and Bush grounded all flights the skys were a mess with planes goin everywhere
true you dont NEED rudder to turn but without it you have whats called adverse yaw so the use is to keep the airplane coordinated. Its not just used for crosswind. But what im arguing is that no professional pilot would not use rudder in a turn. Trust me im a commercial pilot.
thats funny and hard to believe someone. for all we know I could be Bill Gates unknown son. I'm studying hard into commercail airlines and all that. And never have i heard about pilots using rudder in a turn. Maybe just a little. But its not needed very much at all. You bank it and it turns itself.
@tbmavengerstuka ...Actually, isn't this aircraft equipped with a yaw damper? When, except driving a Piper Cub would the rudder be necessary for normal attitude maneuvering?
grounding all planes doesn't mean jet fighters..jeez, that would be stupid. The only reason there was chaos, is because Cheney made it that way with his fucking training exercises on that very day, come on really? No fucking way, that is the biggest fucking lie.
JohnDoe....whew! Not even sure where to begin...I'll start with the stupid 'commentary, He was at 8000, saw the target, knew he had to turn and descend to run at it. And, yeah, I watched the 'yoke' in the last few seconds....he was all over the place, just aiming the damn thing. Did you not see the A/S increase??? AND, why is the time display on the simulation at 13 o'clock EDT??? On the morning of September 11????
@Joe22300 Yeah, good point.
MrStig691 5 days ago
FUNNY HOW THE BLACK BOX SHOWS THE COCKPIT DOOR WAS NEVER OPENED.
peyotecactus 1 month ago in playlist IX-XI
@peyotecactus Because that aircraft doesn't have a sensor hooked up to its door. The black box has a data point for it, but if there is no actual physical sensor attached then hey, guess what? It'll never register that door opening or closing.
Tinfoilnation 5 days ago
@Tinfoilnation A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.
peyotecactus 5 days ago
I also find it amazing that he stayed right on course after passing under his own wake. Quite impressive.
JoMamma0 1 month ago
What time was the Pentagon allegedly hit on 9/11? between 9:30 and !0am in the morning as I recall. So..........why the EDT of 13:30+?
dobberdoss 4 months ago
@dobberdoss cause you dont know military time dip shit!
pocomedy 1 month ago
Beyond exceptional "piloting" skills from an individual who, in addition to weighing 109 pounds at 5'4" and never having remotely been behind the wheel of any Boeing equipment, all the more anything commercial could drop 8,000 feet in a 330 degree descending maneuver that realized upwards of 5.6 negative G's all the while perfectly maintaining airspeed. Amazing. And then, ever so perfectly at beyond acceptable speed threshold, place the projectile, I mean craft against a five story building.
death2pc 5 months ago
@death2pc A truther never lets facts get in the way of a kook theory. If the aircraft had pulled 5.6 negative Gs for even *one second* the pilot would have been at BEST blinded for life and more probably brain dead - this is of course assuming he could get to negative 5 before the wings ripped off (which would happen at about -2 to -3 on a big passenger jet)
Tinfoilnation 2 months ago
The history of the Mossad is carrying out false flags and using arabs as patsies or framing arabs. The history of the CIA is also one of carrying out false flags and blaming others. The US military has a colorful history of false flags. Combined, these 3 groups had the means,the motive and methods to carry out a false flag. By doing this false flag on 911 when 7 other war games were underway, many folks stood down as they thought this was a drill. How did cave dwellers know about these drills?
390bullitt1968 6 months ago
there is no credible evidence 19 arabs flew as terrorists on 911. 7 of those persons were victims of stolen identify. None of the 19 names appear on passenger lists, they were never found in the wreckage, except for the passport of Mohammed Atta , a document that was found in perfect condition on the streets of NYC. That is called planting evidence. Bush and Cheney pulled out all stops to prevent a criminal investigation into 911. They know who did it.They do not want others to know.
390bullitt1968 6 months ago
this is supposed to be released by the ntsb? theres no way that plane hit any poles...if the graphic is 100% accurate
Bexly 6 months ago
AA70 was actually supposed to hit either the White House or the US Congress building. If you live anywhere near DC and/or fly in and out of Reagan National on a regular basis, then you know that it's blanking hard to SEE those things from overhead, much less actually hit them. OTOH, the Pentagon sits on a nice, flat, open bit of land and is REALLY easy to see, and this pilot's trying to swing a 767(?) down and in low enough to actually hit something of value.
scarletsmith 6 months ago
The answer to your question "why not dive straight in?" is right there in your own video. They were still at 8000+ feet and he probably figured he was about to overshoot. The pilot isn't the *LEAST* bit concerned about intercept because prior to 9/11 an intercept wasn't even a consideration. Gawd I hate truthers.
Tinfoilnation 7 months ago 2
@Tinfoilnation
Why we cant get any videomaterial that shows a plane crashing into the pentagon then? No cameras around the center of secret services and operations? Okay, maybe it "could" work to fly a boeing like this. But for a pilot with only MS-Flightsim-experience? No way! Your story works only in strange computer simulations. If i had seen anything that proofs a plane impact in the pentagon, i´d believe. Gawd, i hate stupids.
Stanley2009Cubic 6 months ago
@Tinfoilnation This was the comment i was looking for, or was going to add. "Why not push the nose straight down into the pentagon?" Because he was at 8,000 ft.
JoseJimeniz 4 months ago
This is exactly how it happened.
sharkbait8088 8 months ago
This took place in broad day light. Why is it nobody knows anything? It is bizarre.
390bullitt1968 8 months ago
@390bullitt1968 lol...no shit. i'll be honest. i never question anything until the pentagon stuff stood out. the plane flew over one of the mst traffic conjested areas in north va...over a military base/arlington cemetary....this mess is just too shady and i have never seen multiple witnesses
Bexly 6 months ago
The previous comment is based on ignorance. The NTSB (not NTSC) Flight path report showed Flight 77's air speed at 460 knots (530 mph) upon impact at the Pentagon. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is what the government itself reported, and "ground effect" prevents an airliner from flying over 400 mph close to the ground.
OneWorldForAll 8 months ago 2
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3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since the govt. committed 9/11, why arent truthers demanding the release of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who is on trial for his life for a crime truthers claim he did not commit?
If there was no flight 93, please explain how 95% of the plane debris was recovered?
If there was no flight 77, please explain how 130+ witnesses reported seeing a plane?
ctcole77 7 months ago
The conspiracy theory was wrong, the NTSC report is showing BETWEEN 240-300 KIAS Knots in True Airspeed and it is possible to perform these kinds of maneuver under this airspeed. Don't you think the Americana gov would have written the script before taking action
wuyunchi 8 months ago
Hmmm could it be that you're a douche bag? I think that's it!
javaxsqft 9 months ago
This video is complete horseshit. Yeah, I did visit your stupid website and all I saw was a tangled mess of guesses. Don't quit your day job.
metroid255 10 months ago
Flight 77’s cockpit door never opened during flight. The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) begins recording the flight door status once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
If the cockpit door never opened, how could the hijackers storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane? The data, which originated from the government, does not support the official story.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 - So, instead of admitting you're wrong you're now just copy pasting spam and acting like it never happened? Pussy.
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@nobraintheory LOL! Its good you are doing your research. You might actually learn something someday. You little sissy boi.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 how does your pencil neck support your giant freeking brain?!? You're obviously the only one who could figure this out. were it not for you all us little lemmings would surely perish at the hands of our evil gov handlers. Good freaking greif kid. do normal shit in your room. jerk it to a JC Penny catalog or something. Stop being so freaking wierd.
dayradio65 9 months ago
@dayradio65
LOL!!!
I think I hit a nerve. What a fucking baby. LOL!!!
infoseeker264 9 months ago
@infoseeker264 you must feel pretty damned indestructable while you sit in your step daddy's big house and fluff your feathers all out like some baney rooster. I suspect that you don't really act so tough in the real world do you little guy?
dayradio65 9 months ago
@dayradio65
Like I said before, I must have hit a nerve. LOL!!!
What a fucking baby.
infoseeker264 9 months ago
@dayradio65 LMAO@ Baney Rooster and fluff your feathers!!
PurePowerPunk 8 months ago
October 24th, 2000
The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulates a Boeing 757 crashing into the building.
Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
w w w .usatoday .com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
"In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say."
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
What happened at the Pentagon to the best of my knowledge is this: At 8:20am EDT, Flight 77 (the decoy) took off from Dulles International Airport is to be involved in a drill (Global Guardian '01) demonstrating the anti-hijacking system -- the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot -- Canada was selling the USA. The goal of the drill ... to successfully, electronically "hijack" Flight 77 then land it safely to a predetermined location.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
@OperationMockingbird It involved two teams -- red team attackers and blue team defenders. The "target" of this drill is simulating a 757 crashing into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was a member of red team attackers acting as the "suicide plane." The blue team defenders were inside the Pentagon.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
@OperationMockingbird At 8:54am EDT, in the vicinity of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (which happened to be participating in the Global Guardian '01 war game,) red team "hijacks" Flight 77 electronically by the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot through KU bandwidth via Wide Area Augmentation System and starts to head south then east.
Red team turns Flight 77's transponder off at 8:56am EDT.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
@OperationMockingbird As Flight 77 heads back east, while in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base airspace, a drone (a Raytheon A-3 Skywarrior in American Airlines 757 colors,) rendezvous behind Flight 77. Minutes later red team takes Flight 77 out and over Warning Area 386 (W-386) airspace and remotely detonates it.
The drone takes the place of the decoy (Flight 77.)
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
@OperationMockingbird Blue team is oblivious to the fact that red team switched planes. Thinking it was Flight 77, the plane got within three minutes of the Pentagon. Captain Gerald DeConto, a member of blue team, recognized that a double-cross had taken place as Flight 77 (really the drone,) was supposed to turn around fly back to land at a specific location.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
@OperationMockingbird At around 9:37am EDT, DeConto was on the phone with Secretary of the Navy Gordon R. England attempting to get permission to launch defensive weapon(s) to defeat the A-3 as an AGM-12C missile flew through his window of the US Naval Command Center followed by the drone killing him instantly.
OperationMockingbird 1 year ago
reagan controll.to in and outbound . traffic is a 757 not responding. pls report them insight........meanwhile ATC calls norad.ring ringg. hello is this norad...this is norad the most powerfull defense system...:ATC:yes norad we have a rouge 757 could u pls intercept...:norad. no wher to busy playing games with the rusians....
dogsofwarclan 1 year ago
Right!! So i guess the NTSB spend their time drafting up reports on flight data recorders that really did not come from the Pentagon. One of the most meticulously trained agencies around.. No clue what they are doing!!! That ALONE should be enough proof the plane hit the building. But if you still have trouble with that perhaps the shredded metal on the front lawn that says. AMERICAN AIRLINES on it could help you!!!
How fucking retarded can people be?
roquefortfiles 1 year ago
@roquefortfiles Agreed, there are so many pictures of debris, landing gear, black boxes were found etc.. but they still believe a missile hit the pentagon...
hceely 1 year ago
An a American Airlines plane? Yeah right!..... And my grandma was the pilot!
apa182 1 year ago
captions are total fail + have answers if he really wants to be bothered looking for them
cjnewson88 1 year ago
I take what I said back: the animation's decent, but this vid was utterly *RUINED* by the dolt who cut it up in WinShit Dookie Maker and added the *stupidest*, most retarded fucking captions to it!
I wouldn't place this under my account, much less put my own *name* on it! It's THAT stupid!
macgeek2004 1 year ago
Decent vid, except for that retard making hilariously stupid conspiracy theories in the captions, but otherwise, not bad.
macgeek2004 1 year ago
Another troll hunched over his keyboard trying to give his life purpose with cons[piracy theories....
tonyr1973 1 year ago
If you think those final inputs are precise, you are smoking pot. Watch final approach videos of real pilots landing aircraft. Their movements on the yoke are fluid. Not jerky.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
I am a real pilot. Clearly you are not.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC For some reason, I'm compelled to imagine that a small Cessna single-prop flies much differently than an aircraft engineered with an electronic flight deck that is designed to push the flight envelope of said aircraft to extremes. Ever seen the RNZAF 757 handling displays? You're right, I'm not. But that doesn't mean I lack credibility. You're trying to sell this video for financial gain, wouldn't that be a slap against your own credibility? Mr. Pilot?
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
Check pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)core to see what my work has done for my "credibility".
I'm listed at the top. And the time i made this video you see here, we had about 5 pilots. Go see the list now and watch it grow.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Mhmm. I visited that website, that's why I'm at this channel. It's nice to see you're trying to sell an American 77 video, and several others. You must be making some pretty good cash. If your'e trying to expose a conspiracy wouldn't it make sense to make all that material free? Hmm.. financial gain.. sounds a lot like one of those MLM schemes.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Oops. I'm sorry, I mean Mr. Balsamo. If that really is your name.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
it is. You can even see my pretty smile at patriotsquestion911 (dot) com (slash) pilots. :-)
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Oh, you are a real pilot. Certified to fly KingAir 200's and Dornier 328's. My, how successful. The largest operator for the 328 is a charter airline, I'll just guess that you're a "real pilot" employed by one of those charter airlines. I don't know about you, but I've addressed your pilothood. Do you care to address anything else I've said? Oh, so typical for truthers like you. Only attacking what they know they can/
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
First, I flew the 328Jet for Delta Connection many years ago. I havent updated it since. Second, can you land that job? If not, why not? If you still think the Pentagon is 400 feet above sea level, it is clear you wont get past even your first solo. Finally, have you visited Pilots For 9/11 Truth yet? We cover every major airline, most regional, every branch of the military, many charter and fracs. 727/737/747/757/767/777/ DC-8/9/10/MD-11. Go read and learn.
Secondly
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Why not? Because I'm in school. I already ceded to you that that was an assumption. Finally, yes, I have. That is why I am on this channel, as I told you a few minutes ago. Just because your members fly every Boeing aircraft manufactured means nothing for you. What, by joining your website their knowledge is infused into your soul?
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
By having 35 years of experience flying aircraft means they have more experience and knowledge in aviation than you ever will.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Wouldn't you have flown for Atlantic Coast Airlines? Delta Con is no more than a name.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
That is correct. ACA. Very good!
Are you saying that landing a job with ACA was easy? That anyone can do it? Clearly you cant.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
i just checked out this kid's channel. Why am i not surprised i'm arguing with a simmer. I wish i had a dime each time i ran across a simmer who thought they knew more than real pilots. The best was when I had a student in my CFI days thinking he knew more about flying due to Microsoft. That until he puked out the window of a 172 at 3000 feet after a spin. I also made him wash it off after landing. Needless to say, he didnt come back. He is safer in his computer chair.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
Washington Dulles International Airport is... 313 feet above sea level. Assuming that the height of the ground of the Pentagon is relatively similar to the ground at KIAD, That would mean that if the aircraft was about 480 feet above sea level (your true altitude estimate) that it was roughly 180 feet above the ground level at the last readout. Pilots don't read above sea level readouts.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
Dulles is 25 miles away from the Pentagon. Reagan National is less than 2 miles away.
Ground Elevation at the Pentagon is 35 feet. Reagan National is at 15 feet above sea level.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Regardless, the altitude readout was 180 feet.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation
Well, since it is clear you do not know how to adjust Pressure Altitude to True Altitude, 180 feet is also still too high to hit the Pentagon.
Ground elevation of Pentagon - 35 feet
Height of Pentagon - 77 feet
Total 112 feet.
You have another 68 feet to go Ace.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
What do you mean actual altitude? You can adjust.. the altimeter on aircraft to display different altitudes. Sure, true altitude was 480 feet above sea level, but the Pentagon could have been on land 400 feet above sea level. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that's the case. Altimeters are adjustable. What sense is it for a pilot to be on the ground at an airport like Denver Int'l (elev: 5,431ft) with an altitude readout of 5,431ft! It's ADJUSTED.
scaremengaviation 1 year ago
@scaremengaviation -
Ground elevation at the Pentagon is 35 feet above sea level. Reagan National Airport is 15 feet above sea level.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@Wawaron123 Cops saw it fly away, dufus...
po5166 1 year ago
I can't believe you sheep still debate the official lies of 9/11, wake up sheep. You are losing your democracy.
po5166 1 year ago
@Wawaron123
Tell us genius, what is the True Altitude when pressure altitude is 180 feet, and local pressure is 30.22?
Thats right Einstein, it's roughly 480 feet above sea level.
Now go and learn something from real experts.
pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)core
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@Wawaron123
You might want to do more research.
METAR KDCA 111251Z 35005KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A3021
SPECI KDCA 111341Z 33010KT 10SM CLR 23/14 A3022
METAR KDCA 111351Z 34009KT 10SM CLR 23/14 A3023
METAR KDCA 111451Z 32008KT 4SM HZ CLR 24/14 A3022
METAR KDCA 111551Z 33009G15KT 7SM CLR 26/14 A3021
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
Your video is bonerriffic.
Yup...bonerriffic.
slauzon11 1 year ago
Bloody hilarious.. "He sure is doing a good job.." when Hanjour was all over the place, as the animation show.
robotusch 1 year ago
lol ignorant before flight 77 hit the pentagon it was flying 6 meters away from the floor
MJ4ever911 1 year ago
I do believe 9/11 was at the very least allowed to happen, but I think stronger evidence for the Pentagon not being hit by a plane is required. If the plane didn't hit those poles, what knocked them over? Also, even rense.com which is otherwise a really hardcore conspiracy site has shown evidence of engines and landing gear inside the hole: rense.com/general32/phot.htm
kenricashe 1 year ago
@kenricashe landing gear and engine could 1. preplantted. 2. Could be from a small jet remote controlled in the pentagon. People also hear a missile. 3 Security cam video is not consistend with flight 77 plane. 4. Witnesses saw plane north of Citgo station and over the navy Anex and not on route of the lightpoles this is an established fact ! Pentagon empl . saw plane flew over the building. citizens investigation team.. So indeed no boeing flew into the pentagon.
Misstorys 1 year ago
@Misstorys the FPS of that security video is not fast enough to catch the plane moving as fast as it was. I've seen the same security video where it was shown that the video IS consistent with flight 77.
soccerguy2433 1 year ago
@soccerguy2433 If that videocam is good enough to catch a wing (smal) than also good enough to catch more fuselage of the plane. and what is that white streak ? cant not be from the boeing itself.. not on that level of flight. and by the way where can I bey a lawn like this I want the Pentalawn.. wink wink..
Misstorys 1 year ago
@Misstorys Is that a fact? Well you might want to explain that to 4 gentlemen who were there and had the jet go over their heads so low that one of them thought the engine was going to take his head off. Not too many people have trouble identifying a 767 at LESS than tree top level. Unless of course Stevie Wonder was also there. As well as firemen on the recovery team who ID'd passenger seats attached to flooring still. I was unaware missiles had seating. FAUCK!!
roquefortfiles 1 year ago
1:07 no F-16 or F-15? WTF Its not like we have them on 24/7 CAP or on alert standing by to launch. This isn't the movies where it takes 1 minute to scramble 5 jets. There's no way we would have been able to get jets in the air in time for anything that day.
soccerguy2433 1 year ago
@soccerguy2433 Sure the could !
Misstorys 1 year ago
@Misstorys okay prove it?
soccerguy2433 1 year ago
@soccerguy2433 If you have seen te video where. and let see that video and who are you that have seen the sec video ... secondly CIT has encountered nummerous witnesses wich saw the plane comming from another direction than over the lightpoles so and one of person of pentagon itself saw it fly over.. and the flight recording data of 77 are not conssitent with the official flight path. do you homework.. and 3rd you see a wing on that video . too small for a 757 .
Misstorys 1 year ago
@Misstorys so a video camera CAN'T possibly capture a plane moving, but a person on the ground can positively identify a plane? I's amazing the things you grasp on to validate your thinking. You see the vertical stabilizer in the video, probably the largest surface area visible to the camera at that time and white streak would be consistent with a long fuselage. Wake up bro
soccerguy2433 1 year ago
You really should rename your site....Grasping at Straws! Did you not know anyone in flight school who was either really, really good from the get-go, or incredibly lucky? Is your theory that Dick Cheney was running around, laughing maniacally, cutting down the light poles with a chain saw?
Sundogjeep 1 year ago
Honestly, the maneuver isn't that hard. It could have been practiced in a home computer flight simulator until it was perfected. The difference between maneuvering a plane in a home computer simulator and real life isn't that different. I am not talking about taking off or landing though.
The point is once you understand some basics on what an airplane can do, apply them, and then practice it...it is simple. Again, I'm not talking about TO, landing, or shooting an ils to mins with a max xw.
wankel7 1 year ago
You're supposed to be crying out for the USA to bomb Iran, not ask questions about the MOSSAD/CIA false flag of 9/11!
LeseMajeste 1 year ago
this maneuver was necessary in order to hit the pentagon in the accounting section of the pentagon where the records & computers were kept of DOD expenditures which just happen to be $2.3 trillion short in their records
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE WAKE UP AMERICA
bodkins01 1 year ago
This just doesn't look right, you have to be pretty skilled to pull this off
featheredmusic 1 year ago
It's fucking irritating that you constantly stop the video to add some inane comments. Just let the video play with subtitles douche.
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
@SkyWestCRJPilot
Yeah, me too. Remember, "Terrorists" are those who "hate our freedoms".
Who exactly is taking away those "Freedoms"?
Enjoy your next TSA probe at your next showtime..
Now Google "Airline Pilots Security Alliance".
So, tell me BarbieJet driver... can you control your CRJ at 150 knots over Vmo into a target with less than 25 feet margin for error? Ever heard of Dutch Roll?
Now google Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core Members.
:-)
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC Do you know what induces dutch roll? The rudders didn't even move. Besides he's got a hell of a whole lot bigger margin than 25 feet..he's not hitting the building head on..pretty big target if you ask me.
dyockey 1 year ago
@SkyWestCRJPilot
I'll elaborate on your first post to which I replied... "Amen"
The "best pilot" of the "Hijackers" is reported to not have been able to control a Cessna at 65 knots, but the 9/11 Commission expects real pilots to believe these o called "Hijackers" controlled 757/767's, with zero time in type, at more than 110 to 150 knots over Vmo with a margin for error of less than 25 feet?
As you said,
"that's like not being able to eat fruits, but eating fruit salad."
Amen
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC, 3 alirliners, 3500 peolpe is what it cost to legitimize a fight that will last till the end of time, but let me tell you, that muslims will kill you within a blink if they had the chance to, its in their koran, if a non believer doesnt convert, they are to kill that person, so ur murder is justified in the mind of a muslim, and thats what makes them (dangerous)!!!!
cubes887 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC If you were a real pilot you would know that it is harder to control a small plane at a low speed, specially if there is wind. At 65KTS, a cessna is just about at MCA at a specified configuration (no flaps). That makes it very hard to control pitch and heading. Now, increase airspeed and you will get more control.
You people making conspiracy theories need to accept what happened and not be afraid about how easy it is to get killed.
cesario7777 1 year ago
@cesario7777 - If you were a real pilot, you would know why manufacturers set limits for their aircraft and that exceeding those limits can and will cause all kinds of control problems and even structural failure. The above 757 exceeded it's redline speed by 130 knots. See patriotsquestion911(dot)com(slash)pilots to see the real pilots.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@johndoeXLC All the brain hijackers passed commercial flight training on heavies. So this notion that they were all a bunch of retards unable to find the throttles is a bunch of Youtube garbage. And as far as operating outside the plane's safe boundaries. I think you need to put yourself in the mindset of a rabid extremist hell bent to hit the target. Not an AA capt worried about spilling a gin and tonic. One is rational. The other is anything BUT!!
roquefortfiles 1 year ago
@roquefortfiles
" I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager."CBS News (5/10/02)
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@roquefortfiles -Except there is no explanation for how two 8 ton engines went into the building and left no mark. Why would a hollow aluminum cockpit be able to punch a hole through 6 feet of reinforced steel and concrete, then go through more steel and concrete and then a third time, but somehow those engines just never become a part of the picture. There were 85 active cameras that photographed the object that hit the pentagon, why not release them to the public. A coverup is the reason
390bullitt1968 6 months ago
@SkyWestCRJPilot
Amen...
Only real pilots understand the disconnect as told/dictated by the govt.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@CarnivoreEschelon
You are arguing talking points from almost 4 years ago. Google "Debunking FDR Debunking" and learn. Then view the Core Member list at Pilots For 9/11 Truth. They have several trained Aircraft Accident Investigators, FDR Experts, and Heavy Jet Capts who have analyzed the data provided by the NTSB. Its clear you have no training whatsoever and are just parroting 4 year old tired information provided by anonymous sources you found on the web. You need to study more.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
@CarnivoreEschelon - The NTSB makes no such claim the data they are distributing through the FOIA to the public is incorrect or not complete. If they do, please show us where the NTSB makes such a claim. No such claim exists in their Flight Path Study nor FOIA Cover letters. The NTSB data does not support the govt story of an impact. The NTB/FBI refuse to comment.
johndoeXLC 1 year ago
At high speed it is much easier for a suicidal raghead to do a gradual descent in an orbit rather than 'point nose straight down'. The probably of missing if he had done a quick descent would have been much higher. Conspiracy theories are getting old and are really gay unless you are a fucking retard. Drugs are available to help with your delusions.
Valkyriepure 1 year ago
PAPAVALIUM is simply doing his JOB!!!
his Job to propagate LIES!!
IT was a plane a
UAS (unmanned aircraft system)
UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle)
almao2006 2 years ago
Pentagon flight required an extra complex maneuver. To sum up, Hani Hanjour, took a 757, with zero time in type, did a 400 knot 330 degree spiraling dive at 2500 fpm, only gaining 30 knots, then 30 knots more descending from 2200 feet at full power, with a very steady hand as to not overshoot or hit the lawn, inside ground effect, at 460 knots impact speed, but was refused to rent a Cessna 172 because he couldnt land it at 65 knots.
sheeplehelper 2 years ago
It's not that hard to pilot a plane. Last week, it was found out that a swedish guy in Holland had been flying for 10000 flight hours for the past 10 years, when all he had was an outdated flight license for a small plane.
It's not that hard to fly it once you're in the air... Harder to land and take off.
But yeah, jews...
Jairion 2 years ago
the whole world watched the second tower being hit at 9:03 - and everyone knew America was 'under attack'yet the president sat motionless , and no planes were scrambled from Andrews airforce base to protect the capitol when it was known that other planes were hijacked - completely unbelievable and at least criminal negligence - why not evacuate the pentagon? Why would this useless pilot be able to perform such moves? And why not hit where Rumsfeld was- common knowledge- was his map upside down?
mooners40 2 years ago
Not even using rudder. Looks like an amateur pilot.
DelfinoDelphis 2 years ago
Why use the rudder? His goal was to hit the Pentagon and he obviously was able to do that. I don't care what idiotic conspiracy theorists say, this plane was hijacked and flown into the Pentagon with Hani Hanjour at the controls.
Yahoogler 2 years ago
@Yahoogler
Hani really did a good job...
apfaar 2 years ago
In these jets your feet tend to stay on the floor. Not much yaw in turns.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
seriously?
seatgurus 2 years ago
papavalium 73 posts in 48 hours? Calm the hell down. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time (or is this your job?;)
TrutherD1 2 years ago
Each question you ask was a joke. You know the answer to each, yet you ask. NEVER HAS A PLANE BEEN SHOT DOWN. Bush was asked about shooting it down, he said NO. You think we would shoot down a plane, you are on crack.
They had pilots license, john doe you really saying you didn't know that? DIPSHIT he told people he's going back to land to negotiate..don't you get it, everyone thought they were going to land and be hostages.
Funny you say its fake, yet you think he flew? WTF
papavalium 2 years ago
It looks like a roller coaster
yongsoo27 2 years ago
LOVE the little comments added in by the "experienced Airline pilot"... as if anybody could actually apply logic and sense to this whole thing.
Whether 9/11 was an "inside job" or not makes no difference --- either way, it's still a senseless and useless set of acts that should never have happened.
rangerbob 2 years ago
You conspiracy nuts are just that, NUTS!
O3Obvious 2 years ago
I thought they were all nuts, until I learnt of the many simple questions about the attacks that have been unanswered :)
Guitarded270 2 years ago
Let me see. The soft body of the fuselage miraculously penetrates the hardened exterior, but the 20,000 pound titanium hardened engines just bounce right off. Come on. Get real!!
ExtremeRecluse 2 years ago
@ExtremeRecluse = Right on !
390bullitt1968 8 months ago 2
please:all watch:DECONSTRUCTING THE PENTAGON ATTACK,here on YT.you will not argue anymore on the fact that this was a lie.................
aligoulou 2 years ago
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this video is awsome. First, student pilots would not have pulled it off. Second, student pilots would have never tried to do that, too hard a move. I am a student pilot. Third, yes it's true, they are not concerned with intercept, somthing that would of been 100% preplanned if mission was to be a success. There was no plane!!!
abraham1934 2 years ago
first off the turn only took like 2-3 mins stop complaning about intercept. and if the government were trying to pass a story. why not just nose down?
911letsroll 2 years ago
this video is awsome. First, student pilots would not have pulled it off. Second, student pilots would have never tried to do that, too hard a move. I am a student pilot. Third, yes it's true, they are not concerned with intercept, somthing that would of been 100% preplanned if mission was to be a success. There was no plane!!!
abraham1934 2 years ago
1: i dobt a suicidal hijacker gives a damn about a "hard move"
2:you lost all credibility when u said there was no plane.
911letsroll 2 years ago 2
Look my friend, Truly I am not about argueing for the sake of argueing. I am not scornfull of anyone with a different view. It's not about wether 'terrorist' are concerned with 'hard moves'. It's wether they actually have the capability to peform them or not id the question. Considering 'they' did not fly straight it, is unexplainable. But, the real question is, where are the engines, landing gear, etc. And why such a small hole in the pentagon?
abraham1934 2 years ago
1:do 45 seconds of reserch and find engine photoes from the pentagon.
2:do 45 seconds of reserch and find landign gear photoes at the pentagon
3:loose change said a 16 foot hole. in reality the entire impact zone was about 75+ feet long. google "american airliens flight 77 - 911myths" and look at the "small hole"
911letsroll 2 years ago 5
I really should not even dignify your arragance. Of all the footage, and photos of that day, the only piece remotely resembling a plane is a small till looking part of what lloks like could be a cessna. And some kind of small rotary engine component. Again off of a small airplane.
abraham1934 2 years ago
I saw the "9/11 Debunked: Pentagon Flight 77 Photo Evidence" video. The video keeps showing most of the same little part of aluminum from different angles. And the "c" that is suppose to be from american, I think is a hoax. I have yet to see that picture anywhere else. Furthermore, to beleive that 80% of the airplane evaporated is completly ridiculous to me. You can beleive that if you want to, I don't give a damn really. That's on you. And for heaven sake. The hole is 16'. After the collapse.
abraham1934 2 years ago
@911letsroll who says engine and landing gear are from the boeing 757 flight 77..? Can not be because this plane flew OVER the building from direction north over the anex and left of Citgo station seen by several withnesses. Yea right and the lightpole was plunged trough the windshield of the cab without a scratch or bump on the hood of the car ? Secondly cab driver admitted it was a setup..
Misstorys 1 year ago
@911letsroll If you call that a debunking then your crazy the impact hole went a long way in to the pentagon! Your Photos came a long time later in the day and could easily been planted. Stop miss leading people!!
BrotherGiles 1 year ago
woooow, ntaht's just crazy, i want to know what really happened, i'm not blaming anyone but from this video this person seemed 2 be experienced, very experienced
cjracer1000 2 years ago
see above...the relevant portions are posted. Youtube comment section is limited. If you would like to discuss this more, feel free to visit Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum.
You have been proven wrong regarding haze with DCA METAR, distance of turn with Commission report and NTSB Data, and wrong on Obriens statements. Your continued inaccurate comments which contain personal attacks will be removed.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
Q4. Lt Col. O'Brien states he initially had a 'tough time picking out the target at 4 miles through east coast haze'. DCA was reporting 10 miles and clear. The whole east coast was severe clear that day.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
*NOTE: While this is not covered in the BBC documentary, LtCol OBrien indicates:
A4. I remember it being a clear day in the DC area, but I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control. When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
cont below...
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE and was trying to make it back to National Airport. It was a few more seconds on our eastbound heading before I saw that the aircraft had impacted the west side of the Pentagon.
feel free to contact Obrien yourself through his CO...
Toniolli, John M. Maj ANG-NGB-PA
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
i specifically asked obrien why he said there was haze when DCA was reporting 10 miles and clear. Again, obrien was misquoted. He was also misquoted as saying he saw the impact. He never claimed to have sene the impact..
DCA SPECI METAR proves there was no haze in the air.. The NTSB and Commission report prove you wrong regarding your assumed distance at start of turn.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
PS. your personal attacks will be removed from this comment section.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
sorry, i hit remove by mistake on your below comment.
Let us know when you find an interview with Obrien in which he states he saw the aircraft enter the building. Hint - you wont find one.
He lost sight of the aircraft eastbound due to the sun shining off the potomac. He didnt even know the fireball came from the pentagon till he got closer.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
According to the 9/11 Commission report, the turn started 5 miles SW of the pentagon. According to the NTSB, the turn started 3.5 miles. The Report sources the NTSB data, yet they conflict (speed, time of impact, also conflict)
I have personally had an email exchange with O'Brien, the C-130 pilot. He had a hard time picking out the aircraft due to the sun shining off the potamac into his eyes, not haze. He was misquoted. He was also misquoted as he never saw the impact either.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
Also, be sure to view "Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77" as we cover the issue of visibility, landmarks and the descent rates if the "hijacker" didnt make the turn and instead went straight.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
He said he saw the fireball, he did not say he saw the impact.
That is pretty pathetic play on words on your part
flanksteak1 2 years ago
When you start a post with -
"OK, let me settle this once and for all.."
Expect to be called on it when you fail to provide actual facts.
I apologize if you feel a reply with facts is "confrontational" to your excuses, but i suppose thats a matter of opinion.
You too are free to think however you wish. You can even label people who question the govt story with your broad "Truther" brush and prejudice, however, we like to stick to actual data and facts, not arguments from incredulity.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
DCA was reporting 10 miles visibility, sky clear at the time of the "attack". There was no haze. Check your METARS.
On a clear day, you can see the Washington Monument from the eastern coast line and on approach into Dulles.
Your Haze excuse is just that, an excuse to hold onto your beliefs and the govt story.
There is no reason a "Commercial pilot" would need to use a turn to lose altitude on such a clear day with highly visible landmarks.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
the bottom line, it couldn't hit the light poles, it was too high. 480 feet. Just high enough to do a fly over.Who ever says fighter jets went to Ny and left the Pentagon unprotected, is an idiot. There were plenty of fighter planes in the area, we could've brought that plane down in minutes, nevermind the time it took to do that ridiculous maneuver.
sublimy99 2 years ago
who are you, huggy bear from the 70's?Who says jive ass..lol.lol
sublimy99 2 years ago
i agree with 767Captain... did the "pilot" even use the rudder peddles at all in the last few minutes? I know that plane wasnt coordinated! Plus you ask where the f-15 and 16s are... i dont know for a fact but im guessing in new york! plus there was so much chaos after the towers were hit and Bush grounded all flights the skys were a mess with planes goin everywhere
equlibrium06 2 years ago
Rudder isn't needed to turn a plane. Only used for crosswind if thats one of the things your arguing.
poopsyproductions 2 years ago
true you dont NEED rudder to turn but without it you have whats called adverse yaw so the use is to keep the airplane coordinated. Its not just used for crosswind. But what im arguing is that no professional pilot would not use rudder in a turn. Trust me im a commercial pilot.
equlibrium06 2 years ago
thats funny and hard to believe someone. for all we know I could be Bill Gates unknown son. I'm studying hard into commercail airlines and all that. And never have i heard about pilots using rudder in a turn. Maybe just a little. But its not needed very much at all. You bank it and it turns itself.
poopsyproductions 2 years ago
As a pilot, I can assert you the rudder is essential for making a coordinated turn. The poster above had it right. Adverse yaw will be present.
tbmavengerstuka 2 years ago 4
@tbmavengerstuka ...Actually, isn't this aircraft equipped with a yaw damper? When, except driving a Piper Cub would the rudder be necessary for normal attitude maneuvering?
Sundogjeep 1 year ago
grounding all planes doesn't mean jet fighters..jeez, that would be stupid. The only reason there was chaos, is because Cheney made it that way with his fucking training exercises on that very day, come on really? No fucking way, that is the biggest fucking lie.
sublimy99 2 years ago
JohnDoe....whew! Not even sure where to begin...I'll start with the stupid 'commentary, He was at 8000, saw the target, knew he had to turn and descend to run at it. And, yeah, I watched the 'yoke' in the last few seconds....he was all over the place, just aiming the damn thing. Did you not see the A/S increase??? AND, why is the time display on the simulation at 13 o'clock EDT??? On the morning of September 11????
767Captain 2 years ago 2
also a pilot. really bad flying. All the nutjobs say you have to be a good pilot to crash a plane.
taledarkside 2 years ago
turns out its probably harder then you think to crash it into a specific target though (70' tall wall)
crabtrap 2 years ago
Yea the video was ok until I realized it was just another idiot conspiracy video. Man all those guys are pathetic.
slyguy3129 2 years ago
every single 9/11 truther theory is easily debunked.
PLenty of evidence showing Al Qaeda did 9/11. None shwoing a missile hit Pentagon, none showing bombs in towers, none.
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amphibwarrior0321 3 years ago 4
there are also no videos of
the bush
brothers , at all the relevant corners of the story.
Realizalize 3 years ago
Using strawmen anything can be debunked. You can't debunk facts.
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
Lol you truthers are so annoying and pathetic.
I thought I was going to see something interesting when I clicked this vid. But now I see it's another so called "truther" video.
OMG it was a conspiracy!!! IT WAS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(
(But in reality, it wasn't.)
pashedmotatos 3 years ago
looks like the path of a remote controlled plane
bjm351 3 years ago
yup
james3244 3 years ago