Apple IIc versus IBM PCjr commercial

[PtrOBrn]

apple IIc was the first computer I ever used in Jr High... thats right Jr high... not this piddly middle school stuff.

[padistedor]

I still have my IBM PCjr. It was a cool toy at the time but the software library sucked. My C64 was way better. I still have them both.

[Shicky256]

The Apple IIc. The mouse works even if it's not plugged in.

[MyAppleSpaceCOM]

wow ! I shared this with the Apple community on MyAppleSpace com !

[ImperialProductions]

@RetroShinigami It's not Commodore. Just some buy who bought the rights to use the name.

[ImperialProductions]

Comparing a ][c with an PCjr is like comparing a NES with a Playstation. There's no contest. Close the door on your way out, Apple.

[Commodorian]

@ImperialProductions You're kidding right ? The PCjr was one of IBMs biggest failures. It had nothing on the Apple 2c

[ImperialProductions]

@Commodorian The PCjr had VASTLY superior hardware. The ][ was pure 8-bit, whereas the PCjr was 16-bit. Faster CPU, more RAM, more colours, better sound. Need I say more?

[Commodorian]

@ImperialProductions Superior?It suffered design flaws that came from artificially limiting the performance and bringn it into the market at a different price.It was less compatible than PC clones & canceled in less than two years while the Apple //c enjoyed years of success, it outsold the Jnr by 10 to 1 and had a much more "efficient" design. The Jnr had no DMA capability at all. It needed to use the CPU to read the disk drive grinding the machine to a halt everytime the floppy disk was used.

[ImperialProductions]

@Commodorian Technically not. The PCjr lived on as the Tandy 1000 series, which was a incredibly successful machine. And I was not talking about popularity or system "quality" as you were no doubt referring to. I was talking about pure specification, in that department the jr has the ][ by the balls.

[Commodorian]

@ImperialProductions The 1000 is irrelevant here. Tandy fixed the aforementioned design flaws and it had several enhancements so it isn't technically identical to the PCJnr.

[pioneerz450]

this movie was presented In ADHD

[ZXRulezzz]

MSX2 and Amiga FTW :D

x86 was shit back then, and it's still shit nowadays. The only difference is that you had choice back then...

[davelister2005]

@Athos523 I think starting a post with "lol" says it all, you waste of space. The shift key doesn't work on your keyboard? Hahah, so you're poor as well. Why am I talking to poor people? Don't you have a Wal-Mart to suspiciously loiter about?

[wisteela]

Nice little dig at IBM ads with the Chaplin cane there.

I've got a IIc, but I don't have the proper monitor for it.

[dogzer]

lol, apple was bullshit since the very begining

[teknokrat1]

this makes me nostalgic for the days when there were SEVERAL competing computer companies and platforms. you had true competition and innovation going on. now it's just microsoft copying whatever apple does, and ibm could give a shit less about the platform they created.... so a software company, microsoft, has to be the sales force behind pcs. it's ridiculous.

oh, and commodore wins.

[RottenRroses]

And even the screen is smaller.

[davelister2005]

@disneya380 Macs are worthless. And for faggots.

[Athos523]

@davelister2005 kinda like you huh, worthless and a faggot. :D

[davelister2005]

@Athos523 HURRR shut up you piece of human garbage. Lose some weight.

[Athos523]

@davelister2005 coming from a person who's calling others name i think you're the human trash. but i weigh 120lbs, if i lose weight anymore wait i'll end up like your anorexic mother. :D

[davelister2005]

@Athos523 Learn how to read and write English, you illiterate detritus. Mix in a shift key. Or kill yourself. Either way works. You're still reading this and haven't killed yourself yet. Why?

[Athos523]

@davelister2005 lol, if i had a problem reading and writing english. it would look something like this, haha u stupd nub lrn 2 do smthng els thn sckin COX!!! but alas i spell my words correctly. sorry shift key doesn't work on my keyboard, and suicide is for fail trolls like you.

[Commodorian]

That machine was a catastrophic failure.

Bill Sydnes was the guy behind the PCJnr, he went on to work at Commodore and contributed to the major turn around of the company ( from over a billion dollars a year in sales to bankruptcy ).

[NigoNI60]

"even the price is smaller"

at least, THAT changed :)

[camaradedefrance]

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[tripjet999]

Apple is crapple.

[davelister2005]

Hahaha, in what universe could an Apple ever run more programs than a PC.

[disneya380]

@davelister2005 in a universe where macs run windows in addition to os x

[davelister2005]

@disneya380 HURRR Christ there's some stupid fuckers on here. If you're going to count shitty emulation, then you still lose, because nobody has had more emulators written for it than the PC. Dumbfuck. Don't post again in this thread.

[disneya380]

@davelister2005 Who said that I was counting emulators? I thought we were trolling about content ;)

[disneya380]

@davelister2005 Don't let the Reality Distortion Field piss you off like that by the way—it tends to do that. And the next time you want to sound like a resenting hater, use some more unintelligible words like "Cactus Prick" or "Fanboy." They'll make you seem more like who you are. Then we can all can move on and not dwell over this Sisyphean squabble.

[davelister2005]

@disneya380 Shut up and kill yourself.

[DD2225]

The cane doesn't help with this commercial.

To me it looks like they're pulling it out of there because it is rejected like in an old cartoon when a character would be removed from the stage with a large cane.

They should have used the cane to remove the other computer.

[teknokrat1]

@DD2225 the cane is a reference to charlie chaplin, which ibm used in their ads. it's a joke you didn't get.

[Membrane556]

Come to think of it both machines were a rip off by 1985 as you could get a C128 and disk drive for less then half the price or an Amiga 1000 for around the same price.

[millymoo6000]

didn't ibm make apples processors back then?

[guyvf]

no. Commodore did.

[millymoo6000]

i thort it was the motorola chip, then later it was the power pc by ibm

[guyvf]

You are confusing the Apple II series with the Macintosh. they are not related. The Apple II ran on variants of the MOS(read: commodore) 6502.

[Dms12444]

No, the Apple II ran off the MOS 6502 processor at 1 mhz, Apple III off the Synertek 6502A (2 Mhz), the LISA off the Motorola 68000 (5 Mhz). The first Imac (G3 series) ran off the Power PC 750 (233 MHz).

IBM didn't have any involvement with Apple until Mac OS 7 came out in 1997.

[Scioneer]

the IIc was a slick little system back then. It was basically a semi-portable Apple IIe. Its competitor in this ad was the forerunner of the Tandy 1000 series. Both are cool little collectors items today.

[Jemonster]

Even back then, Apple was doing the "bash the competitor" marketing. They suck.

[guyvf]

EVERYONE does that, silly.

[Jemonster]

Yeah. And everyone who does that sucks. This type of marketing turns me off to the product that should be able to sell using its own merits. Maybe I just like to cheer for the underdog who is being put down despite its accomplishments.

[AY3EIGHTYNINE10]

The Commodore 64 ads were even more merciless.

[rwagoner]

your audio is out of sync

[poopskinTheLiar]

...neglecting to consider that the ii had been out for several years before the JR.

[FutureiMacuser]

THE DUDE WITH A CANE IS RETARDED!

He didnt take the mouse o.o

[mikeabundo]

Hi, I'm a Mac...

[klunymaster]

and hi,im a pC

rofl

[SCPH77004]

And i'm Linux

[nicolunacba]

Hmmm .. so, where's AmigaOS? =(

[slugnbozo]

@nicolunacba Yeah where is it? Not yet invented that's where.

[EweToobUsername]

@nicolunacba This was a year before the Amiga hit the market. Also, 3 years before the Amiga 500.

[slugnbozo]

@SCPH77004 One is not a Mac. The other is not a real PC. And Linux would not be invented for another seven years.

[Heaney5551]

@SCPH77004

Linux didn't exist back then...

[davocreative]

hi! im a commodore 64!

[poopskinTheLiar]

Eh, i like both apple and microsoft.

[Keikofromelbow]

WHAT?! they're expecting us to fuck a mac?

[littlesht2]

lol and now its the exact opposite these days

[wangermuller]

Exactly!

[PowerExpress]

Last time I checked the Apple Macs has the ability to run Windows and all kind of Windows software. That's nothing new, there has been solutions to do that since the 80's but now they can run it native.

[littlesht2]

well the price is still too high for macs

[arnor]

It isn't that macs are inherently expencive; it's just that Apple doesn't make real low-end computers... (Or, as Steve Jobs said: "We don't ship crap.")

More often than not, I've found that if you compare specs, Apple doesn't fare as badly as rumor has it. And, there is the benefits of good design, everything tied together by the common maker, which makes it more stable, the ability to run both Windows and Mac OS (and Linux). Those are features that for many are worth the extra cost.

[littlesht2]

yeah well if u wanna run windows just buy a pc and save money

[metasuperhyper]

yeah but what if you dont wanna run windows? what if you want to run Mac OS X?

[m1omg]

"specs" "specs", you windows fanboys all belive your beloved intel's mhz myth.

see video on youtube how 300 mhz imac g3 32 MB RAM thats 10 yers old starts faster than hyper duper windows vista computer with 2.5 ghz dualcore CPU and 1 GB RAM

[RABBIDGamfan]

In that case, I think that the difference between startup times would be much more attributed to poor OS design and efficiency rather than the efficiency of the processor. A 2.5 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo would probably perform much faster than a 300 Mhz PowerPC G3 if the same version of Linux were tested on both chips. Bus speed, RAM quantity and speed, and Hard drive speed should also be taken into account.

[Lumotaku]

The C 64 was better than them both.

[TheMCMXXL]

@MACOSXSL Incorrect. The //c was introduced in 1984, while the C64 was introduced in 1982. Even the PcJr appeared a few months later on the market.

[MACOSXSL]

@TheMCMXXL It's been a while---I did forget the timeline. The C64 was definitely a more people (and price) friendly home computer than the rest. I remember the C128 as well. I had an atari 400 (ugh) then an Amiga...because the only thing on the market that was close to an amiga was a high end ($7,000) mac quadra. I did mess with the c64 a little. Had to play "Impossible mission" "Stay a while...stay forever!"

[TheMCMXXL]

@MACOSXSL I had them all- Apple, Amstrad, Commdore, Sinclair, whatever. Its all about "what to do with it" - a gamer would not care about a GUI, if this thing does its Job - playing games; because of that are consoles all in all sucessfull. The C64 was not a working horse, but it was also not made for this; commercials which show that were only a easing for the parents, that this thing is being able to do useful things, while the childrens, wich want to have that thing,did not care.

[MACOSXSL]

@Lumotaku The C64 was more affordable, but no where near as easy to use as the GUI based mac.

[Lumotaku]

@MACOSXSL Never mentioned the mac in my comment This is a video about the apple 2 and the ibm pc jr and with geos yes the commodore was as easy to use as a mac but why would i buy a mac when i could have bought an Amiga :)

[ImantaBabite]

@MACOSXSL "Apple II" was not yet a "mac" and had no GUI.

[Norway2011]

@Lumotaku This apple fan can't argue :)

[TigerRaptorFX]

LOL. Even back then Apple was bashing PC's.

[wbroz]

classic

[higashi001]

LMAO!! the NEW apple IIc! XD