WTH are u guys talking about "which is true" ??!!?! im a muslim and in the QURAN it says u cannot b a muslim without believing in jesus and the bible and the torah and moses SO U DUMB HEADS ALL THREE RELIGION ARE TRUE!!@! wth is wrong with u people WE WILL ONLY WIN WHEN THERE IS UNITY!!!
@amazingmred I see you responded to my comment, I was just wondering if you can explain how "a mystery of faith and logically makes a lot of sense" can make any sense at all...please explain, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING IS A MYSTERY OF FAITH TO SOMEONE IT IMPLIES, THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IF IT MAKES "LOGICAL SENSE" THEN IT IS NOT A MYSTERY OF FAITH...a mystery of faith is blind faith and blind faith is not logical...please explain
@amazingmred God is self sufficient, this is what seperates God from the rest of the creation. God is unique, God cannot be compared to anything in his creation.
he didnt commit suicide. youre twisting the truth. he came to be delivered by his people as a lamb to be slain for the forgiveness of sins. dont trust this man. do not be deceived. God bless
The trinity makes no sense and is a mystery, so why try to explain some thing that you cannot understand, it just makes no sense. Watch Shabir Ally and Jay Smith debate. Jay Smith tries to make sense of the trinity and the more he tries to explain it to the audience and Shabir Ally, the more confused he sounds...even the Christianss were laughing. Shabir arguments are logical and simple to understand, Jay Smith describes God like Chinese Arithmatic using pig latin and heiroglyphs...come on.
@mia919100 I understand t trinity .Its u who cant see it .Its an article of faith n belief.I belief to know that i see God through Jesus.Unlike ur book,which is a summary neither here nor there and without the bible ,ur book will never make sense.The full narration is in the bible.Leaving this aside.there is only ONE GOD.Unlike ur book ,GOD directly speaks 2 his prophets,Jesus is t embodiement of God in t physical works of GOD EXCLUSIVE TO BEING GOD,,then we have t HOLY SPIRIT of GOD.--continue
@Lancerlot100 The bible reveals all the miracle nature of GOD .So , the bible is written as it is where God actually has a part to a historical event as t invisible GOD..Then Where God actually comes in human form to dwell among people in t physical form ,there is also t part of GOD which is T HOLY SPIRIT.Unlike ur book ,U dont have a sequel.So ,u cant see t work of GOD in other ways .GOD ,JESUS N HOLY SPIRIT are one n t same .ITS VERY CLEAR.ALL GOD'S ROLE
@Lancerlot100 GOD blew his breathe into adam ,God's spirit into man,T holy spirit is the giver of life n death.JESUS did t same like GOD blew his breathe into his disciples n were filled with t HOLY SPIRIT.All those who are in spirit with GOD ie worship truly ,will b guided by t spirit to t right path.Look at those who worship truly n those who dont n u will see unGODLY behaviour.!And GOD is t figure head ,t judge ,t compassionate ,t merciful .t ALMIGHTY GOD.,99 NAMES BEFIT HIM. OPEN ur heart !
@Lancerlot100 Dont go with shabir ,or deedat or zakir .They are just like u .Just becos they do alot of reading doesnt make them right nor jay smith for that matter .GOD wants all of us to have a simple heart .He says in t bible as jesus "HAPPY ARE THOSE YOUNG AT HEART FOR THEIRS IS T KINGDOM OF GOD ' What did he mean by that--stop rattling ur mind ,n b ready to open ur heart.READ t bible with an open n sincere heart n u will see GOD through jesus.GOD of t bible truly change ur life ! ask t exs
@Lancerlot100 Thanks. But, you did not answer one of my questions. I said, "If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
Please respond in a logical manner to this statement...so I can understand how and where I am wrong. Thank you
There are no 3 beings, but only 3 roles in different forms.Neither is greater than t other cos they are one n t same .I quote Jesus own words " T FATHER N I ARE ONE N T SAME " .He also said "HE WAS THERE BEFORE ABRAHAM ,FROM T BEGINING OF TIME " .Why did jesus say these verses / could said ,something else but ti accert such a statement openly angered t jews who claimed jesus BLASPHEMED -" AS HE CLAIMED TO B GOD ".They took stones to hit him but jesus slips away.
@Lancerlot100 I listened sincerely to what you said, but lets set aside the believe and look at the facts. First, what is the criteria one must use to find out if a book is truely from God? I will wait for your reply, to see if we are consistent and on the same page.
As far as you saying your other comments, you failed to realize that Jesus said "The Father is Greater than I" you say in 2011 no he is not greater, who should I believe, you or Jesus?
Hi Mia, here's an analogy that might help, after all we are humans with human resoning & logic. By the way Lancelot100 wouldnt have convinced me with his explanations either. The trinity is 3 devine persons in 1 devine being or omnipotent GOD. Just so we understand logically how this may be a possibilty, lets look at Fire. Fire+colour +heat = FIRE, However GOD of course doesnt need to be 3 devine persons to exist like fire needing the 3 components to exist.
Humans debating God like they have the answers will never cease @11.10 Jesus indeed concedes he in less than the Father. This makes sense in all aspects if you slow down and think about it. Jesus is God in the flesh.John 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
That is to say tha GOD loves us so much that he would manifest himself as one of us to show us the way.
How humbling is it to know that our creator humbled himself so much as to become one of us, he was by the way always devine but allowed himself a human will to live as one of us (ie) open to our feelings of temptations,anger,greed etc.All the evil inclinations that dont come from him(GOD) just to feel what we feel AS a human so he could feel the pressures involved with gaining heaven. It makes sense than that as a human he conforms to his father being greater as MOST humans do.
I could do deeper on this topic however being a keyboard warrior doesnt interest me so much. JESUS however is definitely GOD as is the HOLY GHOST who is equally as big a topic. Just know that GOD manifests himself for reasons that attribute to OUR salvation and we dont need to know exactly what & why they are to believe. Live by the 10 commandments (GOD LAW) and pray for strength in doing so and you will maximise your chances of salvation whilst we liveout our vapour on this earth.
one more thing: If there was a titanium ball the size of earth & every 1million years a dove flew past it and brushed its wing against the ball.In the time it takes for the ball to whittle away to nothing from all the brushes by the wing, constitutes the begining of eternity.Times that time by 1billion and still Eternity has only just begun.Make sure you find answers to the truth because truth never changes. Like the saints tell us "Life on earth is but a vapour" God bless you all.
Hmmm.... Honestly, I can tell you that Fire+colour+heat=brighter warmer Fire
and that heat energy + light energy= Fire, any 5th grader would know that.
You can make all of this claims about trinity about god, with your bible being the source
of information. But your bible was proven to be altered by man, dude,doesn't that make your claims and beliefs irrelevant. And btw, it doesn't interest you much? 5 really long post, you're starting to look paranoid. Come at me Bro.
you said:Hmmm.... Honestly, I can tell you that Fire+colour+heat=brighter warmer Fire.
WOW thats a cosey way of putting it mmmmmm bright warm fire with a marino rug and my mommys hot chocolate, oh and definitely some marshmellows...oh the pink ones YUUUUUMMMMY M M!
Well i would totally agree with you if infact i was using lowsey fire as an "example" of GOD....sheeesh people are the hardest of all creatures to please Period!! I was merely using fire as an "analogy" to help people understand the Trinity (Analogy not example.)
Tell me, can you explain the Divine Trinity in a more acceptable way??
now u listen to jesus words what when he tells you my father is greater than i, when he said he does not know when the last day is,you only listen when it suits you if you truly listen to all his WORDS youll see hes saying he is not equal to god ur actualyy listening to pauls rantings. u say u follow jesus are you circumcised , do you eat pork do you put ur face in the ground to pray , jesus did you dont why
which dedat guy, why do you think protestants broke off from church and made there own religion and bible cos they knew ... i know of 6 versions of that bible not translation on the cover it says version still you say erm same bible chunks taken out whenever you cant answer any question or sumat that is nonsense still u say same bible as 325ad.
we HAVE original quran in istanbul same as any quran as for bible not changed you are joking right word BEGOTTEN taken out the ascention taken out , for there are 3 that bear record in heaven taken out becos your christian people found that these ARNOT the word of god just got put in there so rightly taken out bible not changed you really are blind
nice try by your logic what was jesus , jehovah .yahweh called before old testament . go to allah wikipedia. tower of babel god said lets see what mans doing god scared man will reach him so made many languages to confuse people this ur concept of god.
christians usa troops raped a iraqi girl 12 year old killed her and her family yet you dont mention that its on youtube church says they believe so go to heaven tell me retards when she asks god for justice you think these christian vermin will go heaven or will god throw these vermin in hell with the rest who will eventually forget there even human or that there is an outside of hell for eons in there theyll truly be non human demons forever
Quran says check out all religions compare them to quran see the truth urselves. we HAVE no religious leaders that can orderus like pope. imams are merely muslims that have more study knowledge that we can ask about but ever since qurans been translated we can check out ourselves now. we dont really need imams . as for questioning quran where does it say you cant doubt PLEASE QUOTE as for quran errors please tell me just one error unlike bible hundreds
@sajakram1 Firstly ,check ur sperm story.check ur blld clot story of how adam was crested.Check that haman was never in the time od Pharoah, check if it was mary or mariyam who is her father ? There are lots of errors which i can show .One greatest error is that God's language is arabic .If so then he need not have many lanuages .Saying all this ,arabic lanuage didnt exist during abraham to jesus time .But ur book insist they called god allah. Now u tell me ,is this not an error.
@sajakram1 Without t bible ur book will not make sense .Where did abraham come 4m ,u book doesnt explain .So in short its unfinished and there is no sequel .Its all jumbled up.U need to refer to t bible 2 understand ur quran.Besides ,ur book tells u to read t bible .But then it contradicts that its corrupted .So ,pls go check ur facts.
every honkey iv met is calling me terrorist until i kick em in swear at the guilty why swear at our prophet whos been dead long time we NEVER swear at jesus cos muhammed told us not to did ur jesus say swear at some1 whos been dead long time why blame him or islam he stopped old arabs killing female new borns ect ect yet u swear him JESUS said if any1 claims prophethood he is if he verifies ME. so why dont u no OTHER religion on earth does. so how u following jesus words answers HIM
when jesus on cross he said elah alah lama sabak tani meaning god why forsake me does that sound like allah or yahweh why forsake , revelations angels saying alalujah alalujah does that sound like ALLAH or yahweh yahweh.... muhammeds name is in hebrew bible song solomon 5 yet you even translated his name a proper noun to fool people from seeing the truth when you get trappd you RE-TRANSLATE bible to avoid questions you cant answer fooling ppl always why keep changing just answer if true
@sajakram1 Firstly ,elah lama sabathani is in aramaic.As for mohamad name is not mentioned cos if i translate the whole song of solomon ,it is a joke if we insert his name.It is ur book that has been corrupted by those guys after mohamad, cos that is why there is no book or any evidence during mohamd life .Only socuments u have is after his death .But t bible has all original verses .So ,in order to make their work authentic ,they conjure up the bible is corrupted.
@sajakram1 T song of songs ! hmm ,u people choose to believe just cos that dead deedat said his name is in t bible .The song is a love song .So ,mohamad was serenading to jews girls is it .Pls add his name in it ur u see for ur self.As for t perfect one is also mentioned in other psalms and its so rediculous and so hillarious if replaced with mohamd name.HOW DESPERATE CAN U PEOPLE B TO PROVE T BIBLE .We christians need not condemn ur book to talk abt t kingdom of God ,We stick 2 our book only
retard u dont believe our book so dont quote from it. as for jesus coming back hes the only prophet that has been made a god so hes coming to correct you as it says in your bible that he will tell his followers piss off explain that as for mohammed greatness not mentioned in the quran it is many times if he wrote it why he biging up jesus a jew and angering the arbs of old more explain this retard
@sajakram1 So if ur ignorant blind as what jesus said u are cos all th question u muslims ask have been answered by jesus in the bible .He said ,the truth will set ur free .My sheep will recognise my voice and my children will b persecuted for bearing my name ie christians .Are muslims today,in modern 21st century not dark ages being tortured ,persecuted for ur religion .NO ! but christians are in this modern 21st century are killed ,tortured ,prisoned and serving death sentences !So ,ur wrong
bible say s god will shave peoples legs with razor billions of them . he will ride little girl angels cherubim, he and judah cud not defeat people of lowlands cos they had metal chariots almighty ran away...... and it says gods chosen prophets like lot commited incest it also says in the geneology that JESUS great grand parents where paris and sara of tamar children of incest insult after insult against god thats why you will all burn 4ever you want his heaven but worship a human
@sajakram1 U blaspheme alot in ur ignorance .Its better u follow ur religion and dont insult the very figure that is pure and holy and nearness to God as ur book claims .But this distinction is never applied to mohamad and yet u call him greater and yet Jesus comes in the end to judge the good n the bad in ur book not mohamad not even God is mention in the last days .U will never see him.But in the bible we know who he is cos every knee will bow n every tongue WILL CONFESS that JESUS IS GOD
Just type muslim rapists and u got a whole list of articles .
Here is proof of ur muslim rapists.GANG rape of innocent coptic christians in Egypt and forced conversions .Kidnap and gang rape in Egypt .SO PLS ,TALK BLANK BULLETS. WISDOM is when u have Godly thoughts and fair judgement.U are twisted and totally brainwashed into an body of evil thoughts and negative exposure.Many muslims i know do not share ur thoughts and agressive and unhealthy attitude.
as for god being called yahweh show me in bible dont say yhwh cos that has no vowels so where you get the vowels bible doesnt say yahweh. or jehovah muslims say ya allah hu have you heard allah lu ya........
How old are u? If u talk abt religion ,u better have some knowledge on it rather than shoot ut mouth.It is in hebrew and it is obvious there are no vowels.This is a known fact .Pls go and check when arabic language was formed and then tell me how canur book claim that all the prophets called god ,allah.Please prove this
you dont like xtians being labelled rapist dont you call all muslims terrorists . not nice is it. as for xtians check it up see how many per cent of them commit rape and incest then try denying it and when you xtians sin new trick you say err he not true xtian when day before you call him brother why this ghost abandon you when you sin facft is them priests are xtian wheteher you try to say err they not true xtian that trick doesnt fool the wise only the retards be deluded all u want
@sajakram1- you dont like xtians being labelled rapist dont you
Look ,u dont assume i think all muslims are terrorists.I dont ,pls read what i wrote on labelling.That is a fair and clear statement i made.It is u who are bitter ,angry and blind to think this way.I can prove to u muslim rape and commit incest.U people like to count numbers into ur sect even though they dont believe in it and if they want to leave it ,u call them apostate.God doesnt want this.U are so blind and lost brother
what do you mean only imam can interprete WHERE did you get that nonsense. thats a new one. you read your bible do you tell then why do you IGNORE when it says the father wont pay for his sons sin and vice versa meaning adam sin nothing do do with us and our sins nought to do with him you ignore that and skip 500years forward to new testament and complete this verse with all have sinned why this trick so how do you read bible says almighty and judah were defeated by men in chariots
@sajakram1 what do you mean only imam can interprete WHERE did you get that nonsense.
Firstly ,are u allowed to interprete and question ur book ? 2 - I really dont understand what ur talking abt.Pls quote the chapter in the bible .U are not to interpret or question .Pls check with ur imam .I am correct in saying this.U are not to question ur book eventhough there are numerous errors which u people will deny .So ,pls go check it out
god says be and jesus was born a billion jesus no problem he doesnt need some unholy poltergeist to force mary to give birth to it self. these sick fucks . these pagans are told sinning does not matter some innocent guy already paid for it thats why xtians are always raping children no morals they kill rape do what ever and its paid for by blood. what sick perverted teaching they sin and some1 else pays for it hitler cost 40mil lives and its paid for by some1 else pay for ur OWN sins
@sajakram1 Whose religion is pagan ?Arent u circle a hindu shrine and bowing down and kissing it .Who are u to call us pagans.Its our religion that u have hijacked .Kufur language such as parsi n aramaic was spoken b4 islam.No arabic language was invented .So ,how can u say that abraham ,moses ,jesus all the prophets called god allah.G_D IS YWH. or we use ELAH or EL .or ELAHI OR ELOHIM or ADONAI never allah.
@sajakram1 U must be so shallow to catogories people .People who sin by doin evil things such as rape .murder ,killing in the name of God do not practise their religion.ie a religion of TRUE G-D is LOVE for love doesnt recognise evil.So if a man who has a christian name or a man with a muslim name nor a a man with a hindu name and does not practise his faith and abide by its teaching ,who rapes ,molest ,murder ,cant hold and label that all christians ,hindus,muslims are rapists !
@sajakram1 Ur eyes are blinded by the evil in ur heart and thus u will never see the truth for jesus said the truth will set u free.U think ,after 2000 over yrs ,we dont know how to read .Christians can scrutinise the bible unlike Islam .U are not allowed to question and only a imam can interprete and look whats happening around the world.So ,dont give me crap talk.We understand our bible .no one have brainwash us .U are zombified people ,robotically doing what God said not to do. U FIGURE THAT
human worshipping retards. this is the most sick perverted pagan cult ever conceived. u can tell a bunch of perverted insane child molesters wrote the bible. look a xtian pagan barking like a RABID dog cant take the truth you do rape choir boys fact retard if jesus part of the 3 then the unholy poltergeist is also jesus right so it made mary pregnant WITHOUT HER PERMISSION and she gave birth to jesus so INCEST simple he impregnated his own mum. unless your concept of his creation is WRONG
if the holy poltergeist is jesus then did he come over mary and be born to her too incest.... the poltergeist did he get mary permission bible doesnt say yes plus he had a child [himself] with a woman who WAS NOT his WIFE so did he do it with his own mother christiashitty loves incest bile full of incest and christians RAPE boys and there own children cos they got this filthy thoughts from bible you are simply HUMAN WORSHIPPING pagan cult your god only 1 to be VOTED AS A GOD IN 325ad
@sajakram1 U ARE SO IDIOTIC AND FULL OF SHIT IN UR OWN SENSE OF THE WORD .PERHAPS U SHOULD DEEP INTO UR SHIT AND SEE THE SHIT STUCK .U BLASPHEME .UIF U DONT LIKE CHRISTIANITY ,U NEED NOT HAVE TO INSULT .THAT IS THE PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD .DONT KNOW ID UR A MUSLIM OR A HINDU .BUT WHAT EVER U ARE UR GOING TO REGRET WHAT U SAID.UR TONGUE IS GOING TO BE TWISTED SOON.
Jesus is the son of GOD,"because God's children are human beings-made of flesh n blood-the son also became flesh n blood.For only as a human being cud he die,n only by dying cud he break the power of the devil..Hebrew 1,2...yall need to stop attacking one another,or do you not serve the same God??
How is islam truth if it rejects the prophets islam contradicts christ and the prophets from moses to isaiah. Islam contradicts God and is an attack against everything God almighty said. God said in the old scriptures that he would send his son to live with us who would die for our sins and make it possible for us to be saved by his sons blood, and the lord jesus did this mohhamed rejects this so mohhamed is from satan. who says God has no son is from satan and does not belong to God
If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
How can god ascend to hisself, be greater than hisself and FORESAKE HISSELF. When Jesus was dieing on the cross and said "why have you foresaken me?" Did Jesus know he was talking to hisself? This cannot be God, because God is not skitzophrenic.
@mia919100 How can god ascend to hisself, be greater than hisself and FORESAKE HISSELF
Jesus said What GOD THINK is not as Man would think.If jesus came forth and said "hey ,gals ,I AM GOD ,COME FOLLOW N WORSHIP ME " What would the reaction.? Why is it hard to accept that GOD can come in any form cs God is HOLY and he has no form .THUS he is THE HOLY SPIRIT.not mohamad earth man.If hindu n greek myths n even chinese have gods coming down n having demi gods,just think where this concept came 2 b?
@Lancerlot100 Thanks. But, you did not answer one of my questions. I said, "If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
Please respond in a logical manner to this statement...so I can understand how and where I am wrong. Thank you
@mia919100 There are no 3 beings just one being in 3 different role.IST COMMANDMENT SAYS "I AM THE LORD UR GOD ,THOU SHALL NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS B4 ME ".So ,why would u think we christians believe in 3 gods.?Cos ur book says so.God got it wrong in ur book or was it mohamad who wrote it got confused as his own followeres used to think he was dellusional.Anyway,Isnt it not a man ,can be a husband ,a father ,a grandfather and still b the same man.
@Lancerlot100 thats not what you christians mean when you say 3 in 1 you say 3 PERSONS with there own minds not father husband ect bull fact is your worshipping god and jesus seperately when you pray and you know it thats why god said they are deluded going on wishful thinking conjecture and vain desires but in the end your human worship will send you to hell so change bibles all u want eat drink anything dont pray fast makes no difference
@Lancerlot100 I never said you believe in 3 Gods, I SAID THREE BEINGS, The father, the son, AND the holy spirit. If you said father son holy spirit, then you could argue one being and not three. I don't have a problem with you believing in one God, I have a problem with the way you describe that one God. You said, "Isnt it not a man ,can be a husband ,a father ,a grandfather and still b the same man" Yes, but if any of those three men get slaughered and die under capital punishment, then all
@mia919100 ---I never said you believe in 3 Gods, I SAID THREE BEINGS
Ur book ,says that clearly ,say not 3 but one.WHERE DID THEY GET T TRINITY NOTION ,,FRIEND / Its not in bible ,concerning t word 3,so how did it get there b4 t council of nicea, while mohamad was alive.T answer is that it was written after his death,by his successor ,who burnt t arcticles he didnt aprove n this can b proven.There is no scripture of mohamad 's quran during his time .if its a sacred parchment ,where is it?
@Lancerlot100 3 beings or 3 gods .There are 3 persons and tht is what the word "being " means.GOD is all of t 99 names.,JESUS -t sacrificial lamb and t flesh must return in spirit to where it came.
Why did God ask for a sacrifice of Abram? why do u do t ritual of blood sacrifice ? Our creator God who created everything out of love ,had to KILL an INNOCENT animal to cloth adam n eve's shame. becos they disobeyed.Jesus ,is t final SACRIFICIAL LAMB who took our sins away n gave us new life
@Lancerlot100 continued from below - then all are infact dead and God does not die, therefore your example of comparing a man to God doesn't work, this is why God is 1 because God is unique and you cannot compare God to anything of his creation, God is far above what you associate with him.
@mia919100 Do u agree taht GOD IS GOD cos he is all knowing.But makes GOD TRULY GOD is his power over life n death.Prophets prophecy, but have no power to blow life into the dead.JESUS brought t deas to life but by God's power who gave him tat.Elijah was tinstructed by God to lie over elisa but God didnt instruct Jesus.Mnay times ,Jesus never refuted t rabbis when " they asked are "u GOD."Jesus could have easily said "no" .
@Lancerlot100 To answer you next question, yes I beleive God is God, and one of his unique qualities is he is all knowing and Jesus Christ was not all knowing, therefore he is not God. Next, I agree that Jesus could give life to the dead if God GAVE HIM THE POWER TO DO SO and that is God doing it not Jesus, therefore again, Jesus is not God.
@mia919100 As u mentioned abt Jesus not being God.n it was God's giving jesus t power 2 raise t dead .HELLO BRO ,! THAT POWER IS WHY GOG IS GOD.IF Jesus was given such power being so called earthman ,what do u think will happen.So ,where will any person turn to GOD.If u say GOD gave this power ,he would have given muhamad t power 2 read n write,2 heal 2,if he is t last messenger.But hedidnt speak 2 God .READ T BIBLE N U WILL SEE GOD DIRECTLY INSTRUCTS THEM NOT AN ANGEL BRO! U MUST OPEN UR EYES
@mia919100 If one soldier died to save another .T soldier who survived will always give tx s n remember that today ,he alive with great grand children becos of one man who gave his life .Why is it unbelievable for jesus to die on t cross n save millions.I really believe that i am saved cos i remember how my jesus suffered n was disfigured so that i not sin.Its t consciense that speaks .If u dont believe in jesus ,u would go one sining.HISTORY RECORDS AFTER JESUS ,T WORLD WAS INDEED SAVED.
God is all knowing, God does not have to become an undercover humanbeing, to understand a humanbeing because he is the creator of them. A police man that goes undercover as a "mere man" in reality is still a mere man, for both of them are still defined as men and both must submitt and live under the same laws of nature. God on the other hand doesnot, So I suggest you rethink your questions, examples, and conclusions because it is making you sound like an unreasonable person.
@MsYaya101 Do you except my point, that God cannot be immortal with no beginning and no ending, then later become mortal with a beginning and a ending. The reason is because it is impossible and improbable, mathematically, scientifically, and logically. You understand
I think we must understand this point before we go on, that an immortal being becoming mortal, then going back to being immortal again, is an improbable and impossible act.
@mia919100 you dare not limit God, his ways are not our ways, God can do anything....if God can create heaven and earth, he is well able to do anything.....a day is like thousands to him, mathematically that is wrong but in God's maths that is possible.....so you can not prove God by using men's theory and knowledge..
@MsYaya101 Be patient sister, I will answer your question. But first we have to establish certain facts and realize that words have meanings. Again, I will answer your question. I must ask the question, is there such thing as a square circle? Do words have meanings to you? First, you must understand that God cannot do anything. Can God create another God with no beginning and no end? You see my point, it is impossible for God to do that, and that is not limiting God, that is just pure logic.
Ms YAYA, Does God Have certain Qualities? If so is Knowledge one of them? IF God is all knowledgeable in the beginning then at no point in time can or will he become ignorant. Jesus was ignorant of the seasons and stated that no creation of God knows the hour, not even hisself. God would never make the statement about not knowing when the day of judgement is, this is not the quality of God to not know. God cannot go from all knowing, to ignorant, back to all knowing. So Jesus cannot be God.
@mia919100 can i borrow your words for a sec if you dont mind. in the korah S. 3:140-142 Shakir is talking about Allah not ye knowing, God should know the future, does this make him ignorant or less of a god? or this for e.g And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves; (16:15)?. like you said God is knowledgeable all that he says should be mathematically & scientifically correct.
@MsYaya101 with all do respect, you are not using the intellect the Allah swt has given you. An immortal being cannot be conscidered immortal if any time in their existense they became mortal, as soon as they become mortal, they cannot , I repeat they cannot go back to being immortal again because the chain of immortality is forever broke. Alpha and Omega means that in no time of that beings existence will they ever seize to exist, not even for a millisecond let alone for 3 day and 3 nights.
@mia919100 so just out of interest, what do you picture God to be, man, spirit or what? there is no where in the bible where it says God heaven..God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate beings who are one in purpose.ok i know u dont understand the trinity, but look beyond that, the God that has raise Christ from the died, he is different to all gods, no god has ever raised his people, no not one but the God of the bible. no name but Jesus heals and no Spirit but the holy spirit can lead.
@MsYaya101 Now, back to the subject at hand. I must know that I am speaking to a reasonable person before I answer your question. Why? Because if I am not, nomatter what answer I give you, it will not matter you will disagree with it whether it is true or not, for the sake of holding on to your believe. For example, if I said my transformer Toy is God, your logic would not allow you to believe it, even if I said God can do anything.Understand. God is limited to being God and God alone.
@MsYaya101 Let me answer your question first posed to me. First you have to give me a reasonable example, because the police man and a mere men, are both men and only can do what men do. It is a false analogy. The situation between God and his creation is totally different situation. Because God is unique and there is nothing like God, NOTHING COMPARES TO GOD. A police man undercover or not, can only do what a man can do, he cannot behave as a God. cont
Look Jesus said we can become sons of god too so what da hell did he mean by that? He meant that you can become a spiritual creation by god in the second coming. Jesus was not god he became a son of god after he died this is common sense and I dont even believe in Jesus.
The answer to all this is that WE ARE ALL GOD! THAT WAS JESUS' MESSAGE. RELIGION IS BULLSHIT. WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME SPIRITUAL ENTITY GIVEN PHYSICAL BODIES AS VESSELS! GOD LIVES INSIDE ALL OF US AND UNTIL WE CAN TRULY CONNECT WITH THE GODLINESS IN OURSELVES WE WILL NEVER TRULY BE FREE. WE WERE MADE IN HIS IMAGE - THIS DOES NOT REFER TO OUR CLAY BODIES. IT IS OUR SPIRIT; AS ONE. STUDY DEEPER THAN RELIGION
@MPVII *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] and NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
how come atheists always argue againsts christians they should do an atheist vs muslim battle they would surely lose since the muslim faith and beliefs actually make logical mathmatical sence.
@emporroll134 cos human worship some1 else dying to pay for your wrongs is a retarded pagan belief thats why xtians always get clobbered by everyone including mr atheist
The Christian presenter is getting angry with the Christian because he is not showing Christianity as the "truth" and cannot fight back with the Muslim's clear consistent points.
@saravideox i think the christian is frustrated by the muslim guy cos his arguments are foolish and u can not argue with a fool......what clear about the muslim guy's consistent points? maybe im watching a wrong video to you, the guy just accepted the birth of Jesus as being different to all birth,
PEOPLE THE TRUTH IS NOT IN QURAN, OR TORAH OR THE BIBLE. ( They are reptilian books ) IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE YOUR GOD, OR ALLAH AND WANTS TO BE WORSHIPPED, BY YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN - WITHOUT BEEN SEEN - THIS IS"" SLAVERY "". People''please weak up'' at once please search on youtube for. - Alaje777 - if you are ready for the truthful truth........ or search for - Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians - if you want to know who you really are....
Oh, and that Sheikh is totally right! Islam is the right religion and is the word of god. Worship allah otherwiise you will not enter paradise -- ALLAH HU AKBAR!
@svp2010 Only for dumb muslims like yourself who are too stupid to understand the three devine natures of God. Thankfully, we Christians are far more intelligent which is why we can fly planes without crashing into buildings. ; )
@BloodOfRayne And you are stupid enough to believe that you insulted me LOL. Typical Christian; when you cant prove your point you revert to insults and name calling. Youre like a child refusing to grow up and need to believe in things that dont exist
@svp2010 Well, I actually agrre with you that maybe I have some growing up to do but that's why I except Christianity that teaches that we are all imperfect. But you would never ever even consider that you might be wrong, and it's this very dogmatism of Islam that disturbs me.
@BloodOfRayne Actually, Islam teaches us that ALL of us INCLUDING Jesus, Muhammad (pbuh) are imperfect because we're human beings; only ALLAH is perfect and because of that worthy of worship. Could I be wrong? If you look at how I practice my faith, yes because I am not perfect; I struggle with prayer and other things required in Islam but believing that God is ONE (as mentioned in the Torah, the book Jesus taught from) is not wrong and WE ALL know it.
@svp2010 I struggle too! As a Christian I will admit that actually you Muslims have a lot of things right! But, you have to admit that your religion is based on a doctrine of murder and violence! Our Christian faith is based on humility and peace! Not killing people because they won't simply follow us, unlike Islam! The Quran itself teaches... kill all those who WON'T believe!!! Explain to me the meaning of this?!
@BloodOfRayne Our religion is based on murder and violence? Can you give me the chapter and verse where it says this so I can explain it to you? I have plenty of friends who are Muslim, do you see me slaughtering them one by one? No, do you know why? Because when the People of the town of Ta’if had mocked Prothet Muhammad (SAW) and chased him out of the city whilst throwing stones at him, and Allah made the angel of mountain descend to destroy the people at Prophet's (SAW) word he said
@BloodOfRayne “No, I hope that Allah will let them produce children who will worship Allah alone, and will worship nothing but Him.” SO in other words we shouldn't kill people you aren't only denying them life, you're denying them the chance to convert to Islam later in life (If God wills) and you are also denying there children the chance to convert and there children's, children. In the Qur'an Allah says that "Killing one person is equivalent to killing the whole of mankind."
@zarina321 You are such a liar! The quran does not teach your friendly version of Islam! If that was the case then there wouldn't be any point to your Mahammed! The Quran specifically says to destroy all infidels who don't except Allah as the one true god! Stop lying about your own religion! What I hate is not muslims or your religion as such... I hate how you are trying weave your faith insidiously into our countries! We don't mind you but we DON'T and WON'T ever accept your religion!
Tell me, have you read the whole Qur'an cover to cover? If you haven't, don't bother commenting on this video acting as if you know your stuff, because serious, no one needs your ignorant and generalized comments.
No one wants Islam? Really? Is that why it is the fasted growing Religion? Is that why there are 20 000 coverts yearly just in America? Is that why there are 50 000 convert is in France yearly? Finally, there are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world. Obviously your wrong
@zarina321 No, I haven't havent! So teach me why it is that so many followers of YOUR religion are willing to go out and kill not only themselves but other people in the name of Allah! Is THIS what Allah wants? Have the fundamentalist Muslims got it wrong and you are willing to stand up against them, or do you support them? What IS your position? Teach me!!!
No brother Shiek, JESUS & THE FATHER are not the same PERSON. Jesus is a distinct being from God the Father. IT WAS THE BIBLE WHO DECLARED JESUS CHRIST'S DIVINITY. AND JESUS BY HIS OWN LIFE, WORKS, AND TEACHINGS, EVEN HIS OWN WORDS CONVEY THE MESSAGE THAT HE IS INDEED DIVINE AND WHO CAME TO BECOME A MAN. THAT HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN BY NATURE UPON ADOPTING HUMANITY TO BECOME PART OF HIS NATURE. TO EXPRESS IT SPIRITUALLY HE WAS THE SECOND "ADAM" THOUGH THE "FIRST ADAM" WAS AT AN ADVANTAGE.
The Muslim brother Shiekh Al Faisal read the Bible but did not study them all in proper context, it seems that he did not set aside the prejudice and preconceived opinions he held upon making an approach in studying or reading the Bible. If people want to understand what the Bible says they must come in full surrender to the Bible as AUTHORITY, not as men in authority. IT IS SUCH A DANGEROUS THING TO BE AN AUTHORITY OVER THE BIBLE. You can learn it truths and choose to accept or reject them.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Bro. Bible has thousands of Contradictions and scientfic Errors.Since the CREATOR does not Contradict in his Message to Humanity and contradict to Scientfic Facts, as the GOD created this world..Than the authonocity of the Bible come in to Question. If it is True word of GOD or some people sit togather and wrote this BOOK, who do not have Divinity.
@shahjee273 Bro. the Bible if properly studied will reveal ALL TRUTH. In fact, it speaks a lot about your side of the family (Ismael's posterity) as part of God's providence in revealing His purposes in the plan of mankind's redemption. Example, it was the Children of the East that brought Joseph to Egypt that made possible God's purposes to save His people from famine. In proper context we see how God is never exclusive about the plan of Salvation. The Bible speaks of blessing Ismael too.
"BLESS ARE THE PEACE MAKER FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SHILDREN OF GOD" MATTHEW. THE BROTHER ON THE LEFT IS THE MEANING OF THE VERSE A GREAT PEACE MAKER IS NOT ONLY BRINGING PEACE BETWEEN MAN BUT WITH GOD BY MAKING PEOPLE TURN FROM SINS AND RECONCILE TO GOD BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR. REMEMBER JESUS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITNESS SO WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM MIRICLES. WHO MUSLIMS DO THAT.
"BLESS ARE THE PEACE MAKER FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SHILDREN OF GOD" MATTHEW. THE BROTHER ON THE LEFT IS THE MEANING OF THE VERSE A GREAT PEACE MAKER IS NOT ONLY BRINGING PEACE BETWEEN MAN BUT WITH GOD BY MAKING PEOPLE TURN FROM SINS AND RECONCILE TO GOD BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR. REMEMBER JESUS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITNESS SO WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM MIRICLES. WHO MUSLIMS DO THAT.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! - Gal 1:8 "..even satan is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Cor 11:14
The angel that spoke to muhammed was SATAN not gabriel.
I hope you haven't forgotten the disaster in Indonesia few years ago. Majority of people there are Muslim (at least 95%). Guess who was in the front line for helping people? Christians, yes Christians always are ready to help others regardless of their religon. Amoung all Muslem countries only Saudi Arabia sent one or two containers drinking water and that was all. Yes brother, we always have supported you and in response you are trying to kill us
God is immortal, this is what makes him God. Man is mortal, this is what makes him man. If Jesus a.s. is God, was he mortal, immortal, or was he both?
@mia919100 You are limiting God! God is immortal yes and Christ proved his immortality (Godliness) by raising himself from the dead! In the bible the deity (Godliness of Christ) is proven many times in the bible.
There are many flaws in your argument. First, an immortal being cannot die. If Jesus "raised himself from the dead" then he died and at one point he was dead. I don't have to go further than that, but this is entertaining to me. Secondly, something that is dead is dead and cannot raise itself, BECAUSE DEAD BEINGS ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING! Last and final, all of us will be raised after death and live on does that make us all immortal. God cannot die nor was he ever dead, he is immortal!
The quran says Allah is Al-Qādir (ie the All-Able), this is also 1 of his 99 supposed names. If he is all-able, he can do whatever he wants. If he wants to die and can choose to do so because he is al-qadir.
If you're saying Allah cannot die, then ur denying that he is al-qadir. If you deny any one of hte 99 names of allah ur not a muslim.
@Tw4tz0r Allah SWT has limits. Allah swt is limited to be Allah swt. You must know Arabic to understand the full meaning of his names. Allah describes his nature in the Quran. Listen - The translation2 of Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) is:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
Find out what the meaning of this is, then we can further discuss Allah swt and his qualities. 1) Who is he?
@Tw4tz0r I will like to know if you think allah is able to be a G.I. joe or a washing machine or able to become a creation like a rock ect. Is this what you think the meaning is of Al-Qadir?
@mia919100 i have a simple question 4 you, if a police men is sent to another town to be an under cover cop, in which way is the man gonna act (as a police man or mere man)? if he act as a mere man and in the process he is subjected to what mere man go through, is he still a police man or not? if he goes there and still act like a police man will he be able to experience what mere man do? please do answer my question/s
@mia919100 he is/was immortal before birth and after his Resurrection, but was mortal when he was man....and the reason why he was this way is so he can experience all that men do, as a man not as God, therefore has a right to judge because he has risen above all the temptations and has not sin....if Jesus didnt come down to earth how done would he judge us?? now are you gonna answer my question.
@MsYaya101 with all do respect, you are not using the intellect the Allah swt has given you. An immortal being cannot be conscidered immortal if any time in their existense they became mortal, as soon as they become mortal, they cannot , I repeat they cannot go back to being immortal again because the chain of immortality is forever broke. Alpha and Omega means that in no time of that beings existence will they ever seize to exist, not even for a millisecond let alone for 3 day and 3 nights.
@mia919100 i just want you to ponder on this, the name Jesus-messiah-the one to die for his people, ok now Jesus was given this name at birth, who on earth can give their son this name? and indeed the son dies for people? dont you this is well too planned to be a mistake. its either Jesus is a liar, deluded or telling the truth, which of this 3 do you think is true of him? you claim to believe in Jesus, but if u do, believe in the true Jesus not the 1 you have created, believe what he says, pls
@MsYaya101 God is limited to doing Godly things. For example, can God make a mistake? Can God switch places with one of his creations? Can God be over powered by another God? Can God forget? Can God not know that he is God? Remeber God said he has no beginning and no end and he is all knowledgeable? That means that God cannot become mortal nor can he become ignorant. You must think!!!! You can't be immortal and mortal at the same time, nor be all knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.
@MsYaya101 Now, about you example with God can do anything using time. It to is an illogical example. Because their is such thing as relativity and it is not unreasonable for a God with no beginning and no end, not to be subjugated by the laws of time, because to a God with no beginning and no end...Time doesn't exist>
YOU STATED "i just want you to ponder on this, the name Jesus-messiah-the one to die for his people..." Stop right there. Listen, If Jesus like you say, is God and he died, then you are saying God died and that is blasphemy, because GOD CANNOT DIE. Now, on to your next question: You said believe what Jesus says and Jesus in the Bible said "The father is greater than I". My question is, if Jesus is God than how can he be greater than himself? He also said "I can of my own accord do nothing" cont.
If the father is greater than jesus, then how can Jesus be God?
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amouwafi 6 days ago
@Aaliyah19ify Good question .. :)
amouwafi 6 days ago
WTH are u guys talking about "which is true" ??!!?! im a muslim and in the QURAN it says u cannot b a muslim without believing in jesus and the bible and the torah and moses SO U DUMB HEADS ALL THREE RELIGION ARE TRUE!!@! wth is wrong with u people WE WILL ONLY WIN WHEN THERE IS UNITY!!!
ammijani 1 week ago
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Mental patients fighting over who's god is better. LMFAO
luxfair 1 week ago
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@amazingmred I see you responded to my comment, I was just wondering if you can explain how "a mystery of faith and logically makes a lot of sense" can make any sense at all...please explain, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING IS A MYSTERY OF FAITH TO SOMEONE IT IMPLIES, THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IF IT MAKES "LOGICAL SENSE" THEN IT IS NOT A MYSTERY OF FAITH...a mystery of faith is blind faith and blind faith is not logical...please explain
mia919100 2 weeks ago
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@amazingmred God is self sufficient, this is what seperates God from the rest of the creation. God is unique, God cannot be compared to anything in his creation.
mia919100 3 weeks ago
he didnt commit suicide. youre twisting the truth. he came to be delivered by his people as a lamb to be slain for the forgiveness of sins. dont trust this man. do not be deceived. God bless
DaBroskiBro 1 month ago
The trinity makes no sense and is a mystery, so why try to explain some thing that you cannot understand, it just makes no sense. Watch Shabir Ally and Jay Smith debate. Jay Smith tries to make sense of the trinity and the more he tries to explain it to the audience and Shabir Ally, the more confused he sounds...even the Christianss were laughing. Shabir arguments are logical and simple to understand, Jay Smith describes God like Chinese Arithmatic using pig latin and heiroglyphs...come on.
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 I understand t trinity .Its u who cant see it .Its an article of faith n belief.I belief to know that i see God through Jesus.Unlike ur book,which is a summary neither here nor there and without the bible ,ur book will never make sense.The full narration is in the bible.Leaving this aside.there is only ONE GOD.Unlike ur book ,GOD directly speaks 2 his prophets,Jesus is t embodiement of God in t physical works of GOD EXCLUSIVE TO BEING GOD,,then we have t HOLY SPIRIT of GOD.--continue
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 The bible reveals all the miracle nature of GOD .So , the bible is written as it is where God actually has a part to a historical event as t invisible GOD..Then Where God actually comes in human form to dwell among people in t physical form ,there is also t part of GOD which is T HOLY SPIRIT.Unlike ur book ,U dont have a sequel.So ,u cant see t work of GOD in other ways .GOD ,JESUS N HOLY SPIRIT are one n t same .ITS VERY CLEAR.ALL GOD'S ROLE
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 GOD blew his breathe into adam ,God's spirit into man,T holy spirit is the giver of life n death.JESUS did t same like GOD blew his breathe into his disciples n were filled with t HOLY SPIRIT.All those who are in spirit with GOD ie worship truly ,will b guided by t spirit to t right path.Look at those who worship truly n those who dont n u will see unGODLY behaviour.!And GOD is t figure head ,t judge ,t compassionate ,t merciful .t ALMIGHTY GOD.,99 NAMES BEFIT HIM. OPEN ur heart !
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 Dont go with shabir ,or deedat or zakir .They are just like u .Just becos they do alot of reading doesnt make them right nor jay smith for that matter .GOD wants all of us to have a simple heart .He says in t bible as jesus "HAPPY ARE THOSE YOUNG AT HEART FOR THEIRS IS T KINGDOM OF GOD ' What did he mean by that--stop rattling ur mind ,n b ready to open ur heart.READ t bible with an open n sincere heart n u will see GOD through jesus.GOD of t bible truly change ur life ! ask t exs
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 Thanks. But, you did not answer one of my questions. I said, "If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
Please respond in a logical manner to this statement...so I can understand how and where I am wrong. Thank you
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 Concerning trinity!
There are no 3 beings, but only 3 roles in different forms.Neither is greater than t other cos they are one n t same .I quote Jesus own words " T FATHER N I ARE ONE N T SAME " .He also said "HE WAS THERE BEFORE ABRAHAM ,FROM T BEGINING OF TIME " .Why did jesus say these verses / could said ,something else but ti accert such a statement openly angered t jews who claimed jesus BLASPHEMED -" AS HE CLAIMED TO B GOD ".They took stones to hit him but jesus slips away.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
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mia919100 1 month ago
@Lancerlot100 I listened sincerely to what you said, but lets set aside the believe and look at the facts. First, what is the criteria one must use to find out if a book is truely from God? I will wait for your reply, to see if we are consistent and on the same page.
As far as you saying your other comments, you failed to realize that Jesus said "The Father is Greater than I" you say in 2011 no he is not greater, who should I believe, you or Jesus?
But please tell me the criteria...
mia919100 1 month ago
@mia919100
Hi Mia, here's an analogy that might help, after all we are humans with human resoning & logic. By the way Lancelot100 wouldnt have convinced me with his explanations either. The trinity is 3 devine persons in 1 devine being or omnipotent GOD. Just so we understand logically how this may be a possibilty, lets look at Fire. Fire+colour +heat = FIRE, However GOD of course doesnt need to be 3 devine persons to exist like fire needing the 3 components to exist.
amazingmred 1 month ago
Humans debating God like they have the answers will never cease @11.10 Jesus indeed concedes he in less than the Father. This makes sense in all aspects if you slow down and think about it. Jesus is God in the flesh.John 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
That is to say tha GOD loves us so much that he would manifest himself as one of us to show us the way.
amazingmred 1 month ago
How humbling is it to know that our creator humbled himself so much as to become one of us, he was by the way always devine but allowed himself a human will to live as one of us (ie) open to our feelings of temptations,anger,greed etc.All the evil inclinations that dont come from him(GOD) just to feel what we feel AS a human so he could feel the pressures involved with gaining heaven. It makes sense than that as a human he conforms to his father being greater as MOST humans do.
amazingmred 1 month ago
I could do deeper on this topic however being a keyboard warrior doesnt interest me so much. JESUS however is definitely GOD as is the HOLY GHOST who is equally as big a topic. Just know that GOD manifests himself for reasons that attribute to OUR salvation and we dont need to know exactly what & why they are to believe. Live by the 10 commandments (GOD LAW) and pray for strength in doing so and you will maximise your chances of salvation whilst we liveout our vapour on this earth.
amazingmred 1 month ago
one more thing: If there was a titanium ball the size of earth & every 1million years a dove flew past it and brushed its wing against the ball.In the time it takes for the ball to whittle away to nothing from all the brushes by the wing, constitutes the begining of eternity.Times that time by 1billion and still Eternity has only just begun.Make sure you find answers to the truth because truth never changes. Like the saints tell us "Life on earth is but a vapour" God bless you all.
amazingmred 1 month ago
@amazingmred
Hmmm.... Honestly, I can tell you that Fire+colour+heat=brighter warmer Fire
and that heat energy + light energy= Fire, any 5th grader would know that.
You can make all of this claims about trinity about god, with your bible being the source
of information. But your bible was proven to be altered by man, dude,doesn't that make your claims and beliefs irrelevant. And btw, it doesn't interest you much? 5 really long post, you're starting to look paranoid. Come at me Bro.
hoo1227 1 month ago
@hoo1227
UR full of ironies assumptions & clich'e.
Ironic because i neva mentioned the bible once.YOU did Bro'
Ironic because all you have to refute the trinity is derived from man ie philosophy,math,physics
Assumption:You assume the bible is my source of knowledge
Assumption:that i am a 5th grader when i am 2years away from 5th grade bro.
clich'e:any 5th grader would know that.
Ironic:This 3rd grader says come back at me bro.
PS:ur arguments have no real depth at all keyboard warrior
amazingmred 1 month ago
@hoo1227
you said:Hmmm.... Honestly, I can tell you that Fire+colour+heat=brighter warmer Fire.
WOW thats a cosey way of putting it mmmmmm bright warm fire with a marino rug and my mommys hot chocolate, oh and definitely some marshmellows...oh the pink ones YUUUUUMMMMY M M!
amazingmred 1 month ago
@hoo1227
I cant stop bugging u now. About me saying i wasnt interested..well i fibbed
IM CAPTIVATED!!
Just one thing i must ask u. What do i look like when i'm paranoid???
like that bully Bobby Taylor that sits next to me and elbows me at every chance he gets cause if so thats real ugly with a capitol (U.G.L.WHY)
amazingmred 1 month ago
@amazingmred Can fire exist without oxygen?
mia919100 1 month ago
@mia919100
No it cant. definitely needs th O2 to continue burning.
amazingmred 3 weeks ago
@amazingmred Then if that is in fact true, that fire needs O2 to exist, then we cannot and should not use it as an example of God.
mia919100 3 weeks ago
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mia919100 3 weeks ago
@mia919100
Well i would totally agree with you if infact i was using lowsey fire as an "example" of GOD....sheeesh people are the hardest of all creatures to please Period!! I was merely using fire as an "analogy" to help people understand the Trinity (Analogy not example.)
Tell me, can you explain the Divine Trinity in a more acceptable way??
amazingmred 3 weeks ago
@amazingmred No, because logically it doesn't make sense...it is a mystery!
mia919100 3 weeks ago
@mia919100 Its a mystery of faith and logically makes a lot of sense to sum.
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mia919100 3 weeks ago
now u listen to jesus words what when he tells you my father is greater than i, when he said he does not know when the last day is,you only listen when it suits you if you truly listen to all his WORDS youll see hes saying he is not equal to god ur actualyy listening to pauls rantings. u say u follow jesus are you circumcised , do you eat pork do you put ur face in the ground to pray , jesus did you dont why
sajakram1 2 months ago
which dedat guy, why do you think protestants broke off from church and made there own religion and bible cos they knew ... i know of 6 versions of that bible not translation on the cover it says version still you say erm same bible chunks taken out whenever you cant answer any question or sumat that is nonsense still u say same bible as 325ad.
sajakram1 2 months ago
we HAVE original quran in istanbul same as any quran as for bible not changed you are joking right word BEGOTTEN taken out the ascention taken out , for there are 3 that bear record in heaven taken out becos your christian people found that these ARNOT the word of god just got put in there so rightly taken out bible not changed you really are blind
sajakram1 2 months ago
nice try by your logic what was jesus , jehovah .yahweh called before old testament . go to allah wikipedia. tower of babel god said lets see what mans doing god scared man will reach him so made many languages to confuse people this ur concept of god.
sajakram1 2 months ago
christians usa troops raped a iraqi girl 12 year old killed her and her family yet you dont mention that its on youtube church says they believe so go to heaven tell me retards when she asks god for justice you think these christian vermin will go heaven or will god throw these vermin in hell with the rest who will eventually forget there even human or that there is an outside of hell for eons in there theyll truly be non human demons forever
sajakram1 2 months ago
Quran says check out all religions compare them to quran see the truth urselves. we HAVE no religious leaders that can orderus like pope. imams are merely muslims that have more study knowledge that we can ask about but ever since qurans been translated we can check out ourselves now. we dont really need imams . as for questioning quran where does it say you cant doubt PLEASE QUOTE as for quran errors please tell me just one error unlike bible hundreds
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Firstly ,check ur sperm story.check ur blld clot story of how adam was crested.Check that haman was never in the time od Pharoah, check if it was mary or mariyam who is her father ? There are lots of errors which i can show .One greatest error is that God's language is arabic .If so then he need not have many lanuages .Saying all this ,arabic lanuage didnt exist during abraham to jesus time .But ur book insist they called god allah. Now u tell me ,is this not an error.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Without t bible ur book will not make sense .Where did abraham come 4m ,u book doesnt explain .So in short its unfinished and there is no sequel .Its all jumbled up.U need to refer to t bible 2 understand ur quran.Besides ,ur book tells u to read t bible .But then it contradicts that its corrupted .So ,pls go check ur facts.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
every honkey iv met is calling me terrorist until i kick em in swear at the guilty why swear at our prophet whos been dead long time we NEVER swear at jesus cos muhammed told us not to did ur jesus say swear at some1 whos been dead long time why blame him or islam he stopped old arabs killing female new borns ect ect yet u swear him JESUS said if any1 claims prophethood he is if he verifies ME. so why dont u no OTHER religion on earth does. so how u following jesus words answers HIM
sajakram1 2 months ago
when jesus on cross he said elah alah lama sabak tani meaning god why forsake me does that sound like allah or yahweh why forsake , revelations angels saying alalujah alalujah does that sound like ALLAH or yahweh yahweh.... muhammeds name is in hebrew bible song solomon 5 yet you even translated his name a proper noun to fool people from seeing the truth when you get trappd you RE-TRANSLATE bible to avoid questions you cant answer fooling ppl always why keep changing just answer if true
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Firstly ,elah lama sabathani is in aramaic.As for mohamad name is not mentioned cos if i translate the whole song of solomon ,it is a joke if we insert his name.It is ur book that has been corrupted by those guys after mohamad, cos that is why there is no book or any evidence during mohamd life .Only socuments u have is after his death .But t bible has all original verses .So ,in order to make their work authentic ,they conjure up the bible is corrupted.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@sajakram1 T song of songs ! hmm ,u people choose to believe just cos that dead deedat said his name is in t bible .The song is a love song .So ,mohamad was serenading to jews girls is it .Pls add his name in it ur u see for ur self.As for t perfect one is also mentioned in other psalms and its so rediculous and so hillarious if replaced with mohamd name.HOW DESPERATE CAN U PEOPLE B TO PROVE T BIBLE .We christians need not condemn ur book to talk abt t kingdom of God ,We stick 2 our book only
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
retard u dont believe our book so dont quote from it. as for jesus coming back hes the only prophet that has been made a god so hes coming to correct you as it says in your bible that he will tell his followers piss off explain that as for mohammed greatness not mentioned in the quran it is many times if he wrote it why he biging up jesus a jew and angering the arbs of old more explain this retard
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 So if ur ignorant blind as what jesus said u are cos all th question u muslims ask have been answered by jesus in the bible .He said ,the truth will set ur free .My sheep will recognise my voice and my children will b persecuted for bearing my name ie christians .Are muslims today,in modern 21st century not dark ages being tortured ,persecuted for ur religion .NO ! but christians are in this modern 21st century are killed ,tortured ,prisoned and serving death sentences !So ,ur wrong
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
bible say s god will shave peoples legs with razor billions of them . he will ride little girl angels cherubim, he and judah cud not defeat people of lowlands cos they had metal chariots almighty ran away...... and it says gods chosen prophets like lot commited incest it also says in the geneology that JESUS great grand parents where paris and sara of tamar children of incest insult after insult against god thats why you will all burn 4ever you want his heaven but worship a human
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 U blaspheme alot in ur ignorance .Its better u follow ur religion and dont insult the very figure that is pure and holy and nearness to God as ur book claims .But this distinction is never applied to mohamad and yet u call him greater and yet Jesus comes in the end to judge the good n the bad in ur book not mohamad not even God is mention in the last days .U will never see him.But in the bible we know who he is cos every knee will bow n every tongue WILL CONFESS that JESUS IS GOD
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100
Just type muslim rapists and u got a whole list of articles .
Here is proof of ur muslim rapists.GANG rape of innocent coptic christians in Egypt and forced conversions .Kidnap and gang rape in Egypt .SO PLS ,TALK BLANK BULLETS. WISDOM is when u have Godly thoughts and fair judgement.U are twisted and totally brainwashed into an body of evil thoughts and negative exposure.Many muslims i know do not share ur thoughts and agressive and unhealthy attitude.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
as for god being called yahweh show me in bible dont say yhwh cos that has no vowels so where you get the vowels bible doesnt say yahweh. or jehovah muslims say ya allah hu have you heard allah lu ya........
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1- as for god being called yahweh
How old are u? If u talk abt religion ,u better have some knowledge on it rather than shoot ut mouth.It is in hebrew and it is obvious there are no vowels.This is a known fact .Pls go and check when arabic language was formed and then tell me how canur book claim that all the prophets called god ,allah.Please prove this
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
you dont like xtians being labelled rapist dont you call all muslims terrorists . not nice is it. as for xtians check it up see how many per cent of them commit rape and incest then try denying it and when you xtians sin new trick you say err he not true xtian when day before you call him brother why this ghost abandon you when you sin facft is them priests are xtian wheteher you try to say err they not true xtian that trick doesnt fool the wise only the retards be deluded all u want
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1- you dont like xtians being labelled rapist dont you
Look ,u dont assume i think all muslims are terrorists.I dont ,pls read what i wrote on labelling.That is a fair and clear statement i made.It is u who are bitter ,angry and blind to think this way.I can prove to u muslim rape and commit incest.U people like to count numbers into ur sect even though they dont believe in it and if they want to leave it ,u call them apostate.God doesnt want this.U are so blind and lost brother
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
what do you mean only imam can interprete WHERE did you get that nonsense. thats a new one. you read your bible do you tell then why do you IGNORE when it says the father wont pay for his sons sin and vice versa meaning adam sin nothing do do with us and our sins nought to do with him you ignore that and skip 500years forward to new testament and complete this verse with all have sinned why this trick so how do you read bible says almighty and judah were defeated by men in chariots
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 what do you mean only imam can interprete WHERE did you get that nonsense.
Firstly ,are u allowed to interprete and question ur book ? 2 - I really dont understand what ur talking abt.Pls quote the chapter in the bible .U are not to interpret or question .Pls check with ur imam .I am correct in saying this.U are not to question ur book eventhough there are numerous errors which u people will deny .So ,pls go check it out
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
god says be and jesus was born a billion jesus no problem he doesnt need some unholy poltergeist to force mary to give birth to it self. these sick fucks . these pagans are told sinning does not matter some innocent guy already paid for it thats why xtians are always raping children no morals they kill rape do what ever and its paid for by blood. what sick perverted teaching they sin and some1 else pays for it hitler cost 40mil lives and its paid for by some1 else pay for ur OWN sins
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Whose religion is pagan ?Arent u circle a hindu shrine and bowing down and kissing it .Who are u to call us pagans.Its our religion that u have hijacked .Kufur language such as parsi n aramaic was spoken b4 islam.No arabic language was invented .So ,how can u say that abraham ,moses ,jesus all the prophets called god allah.G_D IS YWH. or we use ELAH or EL .or ELAHI OR ELOHIM or ADONAI never allah.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@sajakram1 U must be so shallow to catogories people .People who sin by doin evil things such as rape .murder ,killing in the name of God do not practise their religion.ie a religion of TRUE G-D is LOVE for love doesnt recognise evil.So if a man who has a christian name or a man with a muslim name nor a a man with a hindu name and does not practise his faith and abide by its teaching ,who rapes ,molest ,murder ,cant hold and label that all christians ,hindus,muslims are rapists !
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Ur eyes are blinded by the evil in ur heart and thus u will never see the truth for jesus said the truth will set u free.U think ,after 2000 over yrs ,we dont know how to read .Christians can scrutinise the bible unlike Islam .U are not allowed to question and only a imam can interprete and look whats happening around the world.So ,dont give me crap talk.We understand our bible .no one have brainwash us .U are zombified people ,robotically doing what God said not to do. U FIGURE THAT
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
human worshipping retards. this is the most sick perverted pagan cult ever conceived. u can tell a bunch of perverted insane child molesters wrote the bible. look a xtian pagan barking like a RABID dog cant take the truth you do rape choir boys fact retard if jesus part of the 3 then the unholy poltergeist is also jesus right so it made mary pregnant WITHOUT HER PERMISSION and she gave birth to jesus so INCEST simple he impregnated his own mum. unless your concept of his creation is WRONG
sajakram1 2 months ago
if the holy poltergeist is jesus then did he come over mary and be born to her too incest.... the poltergeist did he get mary permission bible doesnt say yes plus he had a child [himself] with a woman who WAS NOT his WIFE so did he do it with his own mother christiashitty loves incest bile full of incest and christians RAPE boys and there own children cos they got this filthy thoughts from bible you are simply HUMAN WORSHIPPING pagan cult your god only 1 to be VOTED AS A GOD IN 325ad
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 U ARE SO IDIOTIC AND FULL OF SHIT IN UR OWN SENSE OF THE WORD .PERHAPS U SHOULD DEEP INTO UR SHIT AND SEE THE SHIT STUCK .U BLASPHEME .UIF U DONT LIKE CHRISTIANITY ,U NEED NOT HAVE TO INSULT .THAT IS THE PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD .DONT KNOW ID UR A MUSLIM OR A HINDU .BUT WHAT EVER U ARE UR GOING TO REGRET WHAT U SAID.UR TONGUE IS GOING TO BE TWISTED SOON.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@sajakram1 Mary was well aware and as the bible said "BE IT ACCORDING TO UR WILL "
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
LOL the host is too funny.. LOOOL nice debate...
Khorasanai 3 months ago
Jesus is the son of GOD,"because God's children are human beings-made of flesh n blood-the son also became flesh n blood.For only as a human being cud he die,n only by dying cud he break the power of the devil..Hebrew 1,2...yall need to stop attacking one another,or do you not serve the same God??
manaseful1 3 months ago
@manaseful1 Spiritual Children, not physical.
mia919100 3 months ago
@mia919100 The Spirit lives in the body,so we are Spiritual and Physical beings.But you are right.
manaseful1 3 months ago
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How is islam truth if it rejects the prophets islam contradicts christ and the prophets from moses to isaiah. Islam contradicts God and is an attack against everything God almighty said. God said in the old scriptures that he would send his son to live with us who would die for our sins and make it possible for us to be saved by his sons blood, and the lord jesus did this mohhamed rejects this so mohhamed is from satan. who says God has no son is from satan and does not belong to God
vladimirkovalski 3 months ago
If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
How can god ascend to hisself, be greater than hisself and FORESAKE HISSELF. When Jesus was dieing on the cross and said "why have you foresaken me?" Did Jesus know he was talking to hisself? This cannot be God, because God is not skitzophrenic.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 How can god ascend to hisself, be greater than hisself and FORESAKE HISSELF
Jesus said What GOD THINK is not as Man would think.If jesus came forth and said "hey ,gals ,I AM GOD ,COME FOLLOW N WORSHIP ME " What would the reaction.? Why is it hard to accept that GOD can come in any form cs God is HOLY and he has no form .THUS he is THE HOLY SPIRIT.not mohamad earth man.If hindu n greek myths n even chinese have gods coming down n having demi gods,just think where this concept came 2 b?
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 Thanks. But, you did not answer one of my questions. I said, "If God is manifested in 3 beings and all three beings are infact 1 in the same, If any one of them claims that another one of the 3 beings is greater than their self...
Then the first statement cannot be true and can never be true, end of story.
Please respond in a logical manner to this statement...so I can understand how and where I am wrong. Thank you
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 There are no 3 beings just one being in 3 different role.IST COMMANDMENT SAYS "I AM THE LORD UR GOD ,THOU SHALL NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS B4 ME ".So ,why would u think we christians believe in 3 gods.?Cos ur book says so.God got it wrong in ur book or was it mohamad who wrote it got confused as his own followeres used to think he was dellusional.Anyway,Isnt it not a man ,can be a husband ,a father ,a grandfather and still b the same man.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 thats not what you christians mean when you say 3 in 1 you say 3 PERSONS with there own minds not father husband ect bull fact is your worshipping god and jesus seperately when you pray and you know it thats why god said they are deluded going on wishful thinking conjecture and vain desires but in the end your human worship will send you to hell so change bibles all u want eat drink anything dont pray fast makes no difference
sajakram1 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 I never said you believe in 3 Gods, I SAID THREE BEINGS, The father, the son, AND the holy spirit. If you said father son holy spirit, then you could argue one being and not three. I don't have a problem with you believing in one God, I have a problem with the way you describe that one God. You said, "Isnt it not a man ,can be a husband ,a father ,a grandfather and still b the same man" Yes, but if any of those three men get slaughered and die under capital punishment, then all
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 ---I never said you believe in 3 Gods, I SAID THREE BEINGS
Ur book ,says that clearly ,say not 3 but one.WHERE DID THEY GET T TRINITY NOTION ,,FRIEND / Its not in bible ,concerning t word 3,so how did it get there b4 t council of nicea, while mohamad was alive.T answer is that it was written after his death,by his successor ,who burnt t arcticles he didnt aprove n this can b proven.There is no scripture of mohamad 's quran during his time .if its a sacred parchment ,where is it?
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 3 beings or 3 gods .There are 3 persons and tht is what the word "being " means.GOD is all of t 99 names.,JESUS -t sacrificial lamb and t flesh must return in spirit to where it came.
Why did God ask for a sacrifice of Abram? why do u do t ritual of blood sacrifice ? Our creator God who created everything out of love ,had to KILL an INNOCENT animal to cloth adam n eve's shame. becos they disobeyed.Jesus ,is t final SACRIFICIAL LAMB who took our sins away n gave us new life
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 continued from below - then all are infact dead and God does not die, therefore your example of comparing a man to God doesn't work, this is why God is 1 because God is unique and you cannot compare God to anything of his creation, God is far above what you associate with him.
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 Do u agree taht GOD IS GOD cos he is all knowing.But makes GOD TRULY GOD is his power over life n death.Prophets prophecy, but have no power to blow life into the dead.JESUS brought t deas to life but by God's power who gave him tat.Elijah was tinstructed by God to lie over elisa but God didnt instruct Jesus.Mnay times ,Jesus never refuted t rabbis when " they asked are "u GOD."Jesus could have easily said "no" .
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@Lancerlot100 To answer you next question, yes I beleive God is God, and one of his unique qualities is he is all knowing and Jesus Christ was not all knowing, therefore he is not God. Next, I agree that Jesus could give life to the dead if God GAVE HIM THE POWER TO DO SO and that is God doing it not Jesus, therefore again, Jesus is not God.
mia919100 2 months ago
@mia919100 As u mentioned abt Jesus not being God.n it was God's giving jesus t power 2 raise t dead .HELLO BRO ,! THAT POWER IS WHY GOG IS GOD.IF Jesus was given such power being so called earthman ,what do u think will happen.So ,where will any person turn to GOD.If u say GOD gave this power ,he would have given muhamad t power 2 read n write,2 heal 2,if he is t last messenger.But hedidnt speak 2 God .READ T BIBLE N U WILL SEE GOD DIRECTLY INSTRUCTS THEM NOT AN ANGEL BRO! U MUST OPEN UR EYES
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
@mia919100 If one soldier died to save another .T soldier who survived will always give tx s n remember that today ,he alive with great grand children becos of one man who gave his life .Why is it unbelievable for jesus to die on t cross n save millions.I really believe that i am saved cos i remember how my jesus suffered n was disfigured so that i not sin.Its t consciense that speaks .If u dont believe in jesus ,u would go one sining.HISTORY RECORDS AFTER JESUS ,T WORLD WAS INDEED SAVED.
Lancerlot100 2 months ago
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How can God make such statements, for no one is greater than God and God can do everything. Think!!!!
mia919100 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
God is all knowing, God does not have to become an undercover humanbeing, to understand a humanbeing because he is the creator of them. A police man that goes undercover as a "mere man" in reality is still a mere man, for both of them are still defined as men and both must submitt and live under the same laws of nature. God on the other hand doesnot, So I suggest you rethink your questions, examples, and conclusions because it is making you sound like an unreasonable person.
mia919100 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 Do you except my point, that God cannot be immortal with no beginning and no ending, then later become mortal with a beginning and a ending. The reason is because it is impossible and improbable, mathematically, scientifically, and logically. You understand
I think we must understand this point before we go on, that an immortal being becoming mortal, then going back to being immortal again, is an improbable and impossible act.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 you dare not limit God, his ways are not our ways, God can do anything....if God can create heaven and earth, he is well able to do anything.....a day is like thousands to him, mathematically that is wrong but in God's maths that is possible.....so you can not prove God by using men's theory and knowledge..
MsYaya101 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 Be patient sister, I will answer your question. But first we have to establish certain facts and realize that words have meanings. Again, I will answer your question. I must ask the question, is there such thing as a square circle? Do words have meanings to you? First, you must understand that God cannot do anything. Can God create another God with no beginning and no end? You see my point, it is impossible for God to do that, and that is not limiting God, that is just pure logic.
mia919100 4 months ago
Ms YAYA, Does God Have certain Qualities? If so is Knowledge one of them? IF God is all knowledgeable in the beginning then at no point in time can or will he become ignorant. Jesus was ignorant of the seasons and stated that no creation of God knows the hour, not even hisself. God would never make the statement about not knowing when the day of judgement is, this is not the quality of God to not know. God cannot go from all knowing, to ignorant, back to all knowing. So Jesus cannot be God.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 can i borrow your words for a sec if you dont mind. in the korah S. 3:140-142 Shakir is talking about Allah not ye knowing, God should know the future, does this make him ignorant or less of a god? or this for e.g And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves; (16:15)?. like you said God is knowledgeable all that he says should be mathematically & scientifically correct.
MsYaya101 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 with all do respect, you are not using the intellect the Allah swt has given you. An immortal being cannot be conscidered immortal if any time in their existense they became mortal, as soon as they become mortal, they cannot , I repeat they cannot go back to being immortal again because the chain of immortality is forever broke. Alpha and Omega means that in no time of that beings existence will they ever seize to exist, not even for a millisecond let alone for 3 day and 3 nights.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 so just out of interest, what do you picture God to be, man, spirit or what? there is no where in the bible where it says God heaven..God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate beings who are one in purpose.ok i know u dont understand the trinity, but look beyond that, the God that has raise Christ from the died, he is different to all gods, no god has ever raised his people, no not one but the God of the bible. no name but Jesus heals and no Spirit but the holy spirit can lead.
MsYaya101 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 Now, back to the subject at hand. I must know that I am speaking to a reasonable person before I answer your question. Why? Because if I am not, nomatter what answer I give you, it will not matter you will disagree with it whether it is true or not, for the sake of holding on to your believe. For example, if I said my transformer Toy is God, your logic would not allow you to believe it, even if I said God can do anything.Understand. God is limited to being God and God alone.
mia919100 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 Let me answer your question first posed to me. First you have to give me a reasonable example, because the police man and a mere men, are both men and only can do what men do. It is a false analogy. The situation between God and his creation is totally different situation. Because God is unique and there is nothing like God, NOTHING COMPARES TO GOD. A police man undercover or not, can only do what a man can do, he cannot behave as a God. cont
mia919100 4 months ago
somehow the bishop's answers were inefficient to explain everything.
yenzery 4 months ago
from 1:15 the Christian dude wins it for me,once one start the ermmms and the ahhhhhs he lost the argument......thank you Christ
MsYaya101 4 months ago
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Searcher4Heaven 4 months ago
As an atheist, this is interesting to watch. But if I had to pick, I'd say Islam is more convincing in this debate.
tjonestoday 4 months ago 9
Look Jesus said we can become sons of god too so what da hell did he mean by that? He meant that you can become a spiritual creation by god in the second coming. Jesus was not god he became a son of god after he died this is common sense and I dont even believe in Jesus.
Blacknemisis 4 months ago
The answer to all this is that WE ARE ALL GOD! THAT WAS JESUS' MESSAGE. RELIGION IS BULLSHIT. WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME SPIRITUAL ENTITY GIVEN PHYSICAL BODIES AS VESSELS! GOD LIVES INSIDE ALL OF US AND UNTIL WE CAN TRULY CONNECT WITH THE GODLINESS IN OURSELVES WE WILL NEVER TRULY BE FREE. WE WERE MADE IN HIS IMAGE - THIS DOES NOT REFER TO OUR CLAY BODIES. IT IS OUR SPIRIT; AS ONE. STUDY DEEPER THAN RELIGION
GOD BLESS
MPVII 5 months ago
@MPVII *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] and NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
how come atheists always argue againsts christians they should do an atheist vs muslim battle they would surely lose since the muslim faith and beliefs actually make logical mathmatical sence.
emporroll134 5 months ago 4
@emporroll134 cos human worship some1 else dying to pay for your wrongs is a retarded pagan belief thats why xtians always get clobbered by everyone including mr atheist
sajakram1 2 months ago
The Christian presenter is getting angry with the Christian because he is not showing Christianity as the "truth" and cannot fight back with the Muslim's clear consistent points.
saravideox 5 months ago
@saravideox i think the christian is frustrated by the muslim guy cos his arguments are foolish and u can not argue with a fool......what clear about the muslim guy's consistent points? maybe im watching a wrong video to you, the guy just accepted the birth of Jesus as being different to all birth,
MsYaya101 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
I like this: "You are looking at this with an intellectual interpretation." 4:38
mirnesalic 5 months ago
Christianity owned....fuck christians
ancientastronautt 6 months ago
This is so biased toward Islam. They are basically ganging up on this dude, and they aren't making any sense at all
rgatlin04 6 months ago
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the presentator is a Christian!!!!
But the guy is honest that all...
Logia1978 6 months ago
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TOMISLAV6608 7 months ago
The Bishop is incredibly hard headed and idiotic.
AllahKingOfUniverse 7 months ago 13
I have the same laptop! xD
Oh, and that Sheikh is totally right! Islam is the right religion and is the word of god. Worship allah otherwiise you will not enter paradise -- ALLAH HU AKBAR!
TheInuyashaFan917 7 months ago
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TheInuyashaFan917 7 months ago
6:42-7:35 ended the entire debate
svp2010 8 months ago
@svp2010 Only for dumb muslims like yourself who are too stupid to understand the three devine natures of God. Thankfully, we Christians are far more intelligent which is why we can fly planes without crashing into buildings. ; )
BloodOfRayne 8 months ago
@BloodOfRayne And you are stupid enough to believe that you insulted me LOL. Typical Christian; when you cant prove your point you revert to insults and name calling. Youre like a child refusing to grow up and need to believe in things that dont exist
svp2010 8 months ago
@svp2010 Well, I actually agrre with you that maybe I have some growing up to do but that's why I except Christianity that teaches that we are all imperfect. But you would never ever even consider that you might be wrong, and it's this very dogmatism of Islam that disturbs me.
BloodOfRayne 7 months ago
@BloodOfRayne Actually, Islam teaches us that ALL of us INCLUDING Jesus, Muhammad (pbuh) are imperfect because we're human beings; only ALLAH is perfect and because of that worthy of worship. Could I be wrong? If you look at how I practice my faith, yes because I am not perfect; I struggle with prayer and other things required in Islam but believing that God is ONE (as mentioned in the Torah, the book Jesus taught from) is not wrong and WE ALL know it.
svp2010 7 months ago
@svp2010 I struggle too! As a Christian I will admit that actually you Muslims have a lot of things right! But, you have to admit that your religion is based on a doctrine of murder and violence! Our Christian faith is based on humility and peace! Not killing people because they won't simply follow us, unlike Islam! The Quran itself teaches... kill all those who WON'T believe!!! Explain to me the meaning of this?!
BloodOfRayne 7 months ago
@BloodOfRayne I sent the explanation to your email because there's not enough space here, good question though
svp2010 7 months ago
@BloodOfRayne Our religion is based on murder and violence? Can you give me the chapter and verse where it says this so I can explain it to you? I have plenty of friends who are Muslim, do you see me slaughtering them one by one? No, do you know why? Because when the People of the town of Ta’if had mocked Prothet Muhammad (SAW) and chased him out of the city whilst throwing stones at him, and Allah made the angel of mountain descend to destroy the people at Prophet's (SAW) word he said
zarina321 6 months ago
@BloodOfRayne “No, I hope that Allah will let them produce children who will worship Allah alone, and will worship nothing but Him.” SO in other words we shouldn't kill people you aren't only denying them life, you're denying them the chance to convert to Islam later in life (If God wills) and you are also denying there children the chance to convert and there children's, children. In the Qur'an Allah says that "Killing one person is equivalent to killing the whole of mankind."
zarina321 6 months ago
@zarina321 You are such a liar! The quran does not teach your friendly version of Islam! If that was the case then there wouldn't be any point to your Mahammed! The Quran specifically says to destroy all infidels who don't except Allah as the one true god! Stop lying about your own religion! What I hate is not muslims or your religion as such... I hate how you are trying weave your faith insidiously into our countries! We don't mind you but we DON'T and WON'T ever accept your religion!
BloodOfRayne 6 months ago
@BloodOfRayne
Tell me, have you read the whole Qur'an cover to cover? If you haven't, don't bother commenting on this video acting as if you know your stuff, because serious, no one needs your ignorant and generalized comments.
No one wants Islam? Really? Is that why it is the fasted growing Religion? Is that why there are 20 000 coverts yearly just in America? Is that why there are 50 000 convert is in France yearly? Finally, there are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world. Obviously your wrong
zarina321 6 months ago
@zarina321 No, I haven't havent! So teach me why it is that so many followers of YOUR religion are willing to go out and kill not only themselves but other people in the name of Allah! Is THIS what Allah wants? Have the fundamentalist Muslims got it wrong and you are willing to stand up against them, or do you support them? What IS your position? Teach me!!!
BloodOfRayne 6 months ago
Cristian always need free interpretation!!
sigimex 8 months ago
the host is hilarious lol, i love his accent, but he interrupts too much.
QandahaarIsTheBomb 8 months ago
the presenter is proper funny
dontforgetwat 8 months ago
not a muslim but the christian bredda didnt hold it up for the faith.
never had an response to nothing brought to him,make you think!
TheBrowndon 8 months ago
No brother Shiek, JESUS & THE FATHER are not the same PERSON. Jesus is a distinct being from God the Father. IT WAS THE BIBLE WHO DECLARED JESUS CHRIST'S DIVINITY. AND JESUS BY HIS OWN LIFE, WORKS, AND TEACHINGS, EVEN HIS OWN WORDS CONVEY THE MESSAGE THAT HE IS INDEED DIVINE AND WHO CAME TO BECOME A MAN. THAT HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN BY NATURE UPON ADOPTING HUMANITY TO BECOME PART OF HIS NATURE. TO EXPRESS IT SPIRITUALLY HE WAS THE SECOND "ADAM" THOUGH THE "FIRST ADAM" WAS AT AN ADVANTAGE.
iiiEMOTIONiii 8 months ago
The Muslim brother Shiekh Al Faisal read the Bible but did not study them all in proper context, it seems that he did not set aside the prejudice and preconceived opinions he held upon making an approach in studying or reading the Bible. If people want to understand what the Bible says they must come in full surrender to the Bible as AUTHORITY, not as men in authority. IT IS SUCH A DANGEROUS THING TO BE AN AUTHORITY OVER THE BIBLE. You can learn it truths and choose to accept or reject them.
iiiEMOTIONiii 8 months ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Bro. Bible has thousands of Contradictions and scientfic Errors.Since the CREATOR does not Contradict in his Message to Humanity and contradict to Scientfic Facts, as the GOD created this world..Than the authonocity of the Bible come in to Question. If it is True word of GOD or some people sit togather and wrote this BOOK, who do not have Divinity.
shahjee273 8 months ago
@shahjee273 Bro. the Bible if properly studied will reveal ALL TRUTH. In fact, it speaks a lot about your side of the family (Ismael's posterity) as part of God's providence in revealing His purposes in the plan of mankind's redemption. Example, it was the Children of the East that brought Joseph to Egypt that made possible God's purposes to save His people from famine. In proper context we see how God is never exclusive about the plan of Salvation. The Bible speaks of blessing Ismael too.
iiiEMOTIONiii 6 months ago
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"BLESS ARE THE PEACE MAKER FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SHILDREN OF GOD" MATTHEW. THE BROTHER ON THE LEFT IS THE MEANING OF THE VERSE A GREAT PEACE MAKER IS NOT ONLY BRINGING PEACE BETWEEN MAN BUT WITH GOD BY MAKING PEOPLE TURN FROM SINS AND RECONCILE TO GOD BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR. REMEMBER JESUS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITNESS SO WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM MIRICLES. WHO MUSLIMS DO THAT.
younggprince 8 months ago
"BLESS ARE THE PEACE MAKER FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SHILDREN OF GOD" MATTHEW. THE BROTHER ON THE LEFT IS THE MEANING OF THE VERSE A GREAT PEACE MAKER IS NOT ONLY BRINGING PEACE BETWEEN MAN BUT WITH GOD BY MAKING PEOPLE TURN FROM SINS AND RECONCILE TO GOD BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND PERSONAL SAVIOR. REMEMBER JESUS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITNESS SO WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM MIRICLES. WHO MUSLIMS DO THAT.
younggprince 8 months ago
more stories in new-muslims . com
learnislam00 9 months ago
The way the bishop talks and explains things is reflecting todays christianity; confusing, vague and not making sense...
MoreFiyaa 9 months ago
@MoreFiyaa true stories!
come in like the shiekh had him all over the place.
TheBrowndon 8 months ago
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PROOF MUHAMMED GOT THE QURAN FROM SATAN
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! - Gal 1:8 "..even satan is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Cor 11:14
The angel that spoke to muhammed was SATAN not gabriel.
quran137 9 months ago
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I hope you haven't forgotten the disaster in Indonesia few years ago. Majority of people there are Muslim (at least 95%). Guess who was in the front line for helping people? Christians, yes Christians always are ready to help others regardless of their religon. Amoung all Muslem countries only Saudi Arabia sent one or two containers drinking water and that was all. Yes brother, we always have supported you and in response you are trying to kill us
vartatoosh 9 months ago
no religion is true.btw im not athiest, i believe we are all god!
CelestialHeretic 9 months ago
"Maybe god put the universe on Auto-pilot" looooool
007kash007 10 months ago
the bishops just confusing, hes making no sense even though i want to understand him lol
alilmutaqaat 10 months ago
God is immortal, this is what makes him God. Man is mortal, this is what makes him man. If Jesus a.s. is God, was he mortal, immortal, or was he both?
mia919100 10 months ago 20
@mia919100 You are limiting God! God is immortal yes and Christ proved his immortality (Godliness) by raising himself from the dead! In the bible the deity (Godliness of Christ) is proven many times in the bible.
SuperDominicd 9 months ago
There are many flaws in your argument. First, an immortal being cannot die. If Jesus "raised himself from the dead" then he died and at one point he was dead. I don't have to go further than that, but this is entertaining to me. Secondly, something that is dead is dead and cannot raise itself, BECAUSE DEAD BEINGS ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING! Last and final, all of us will be raised after death and live on does that make us all immortal. God cannot die nor was he ever dead, he is immortal!
mia919100 9 months ago
@mia919100
4:26 "how can God die?"
The quran says Allah is Al-Qādir (ie the All-Able), this is also 1 of his 99 supposed names. If he is all-able, he can do whatever he wants. If he wants to die and can choose to do so because he is al-qadir.
If you're saying Allah cannot die, then ur denying that he is al-qadir. If you deny any one of hte 99 names of allah ur not a muslim.
simple as that.
Tw4tz0r 9 months ago
@Tw4tz0r Immortal beings cannot die by definition. A being that dies cannot be Allah swt. It is as simple as that.
mia919100 9 months ago
@mia919100
Then you have denied Allah as being Al-Qadir.
Tw4tz0r 9 months ago
@Tw4tz0r Allah SWT has limits. Allah swt is limited to be Allah swt. You must know Arabic to understand the full meaning of his names. Allah describes his nature in the Quran. Listen - The translation2 of Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) is:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
Find out what the meaning of this is, then we can further discuss Allah swt and his qualities. 1) Who is he?
mia919100 9 months ago
@Tw4tz0r I will like to know if you think allah is able to be a G.I. joe or a washing machine or able to become a creation like a rock ect. Is this what you think the meaning is of Al-Qadir?
mia919100 9 months ago
@mia919100 i have a simple question 4 you, if a police men is sent to another town to be an under cover cop, in which way is the man gonna act (as a police man or mere man)? if he act as a mere man and in the process he is subjected to what mere man go through, is he still a police man or not? if he goes there and still act like a police man will he be able to experience what mere man do? please do answer my question/s
MsYaya101 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 First, answer my question.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 he is/was immortal before birth and after his Resurrection, but was mortal when he was man....and the reason why he was this way is so he can experience all that men do, as a man not as God, therefore has a right to judge because he has risen above all the temptations and has not sin....if Jesus didnt come down to earth how done would he judge us?? now are you gonna answer my question.
MsYaya101 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 with all do respect, you are not using the intellect the Allah swt has given you. An immortal being cannot be conscidered immortal if any time in their existense they became mortal, as soon as they become mortal, they cannot , I repeat they cannot go back to being immortal again because the chain of immortality is forever broke. Alpha and Omega means that in no time of that beings existence will they ever seize to exist, not even for a millisecond let alone for 3 day and 3 nights.
mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 i just want you to ponder on this, the name Jesus-messiah-the one to die for his people, ok now Jesus was given this name at birth, who on earth can give their son this name? and indeed the son dies for people? dont you this is well too planned to be a mistake. its either Jesus is a liar, deluded or telling the truth, which of this 3 do you think is true of him? you claim to believe in Jesus, but if u do, believe in the true Jesus not the 1 you have created, believe what he says, pls
MsYaya101 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 God is limited to doing Godly things. For example, can God make a mistake? Can God switch places with one of his creations? Can God be over powered by another God? Can God forget? Can God not know that he is God? Remeber God said he has no beginning and no end and he is all knowledgeable? That means that God cannot become mortal nor can he become ignorant. You must think!!!! You can't be immortal and mortal at the same time, nor be all knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.
mia919100 4 months ago
@MsYaya101 Now, about you example with God can do anything using time. It to is an illogical example. Because their is such thing as relativity and it is not unreasonable for a God with no beginning and no end, not to be subjugated by the laws of time, because to a God with no beginning and no end...Time doesn't exist>
mia919100 4 months ago
YOU STATED "i just want you to ponder on this, the name Jesus-messiah-the one to die for his people..." Stop right there. Listen, If Jesus like you say, is God and he died, then you are saying God died and that is blasphemy, because GOD CANNOT DIE. Now, on to your next question: You said believe what Jesus says and Jesus in the Bible said "The father is greater than I". My question is, if Jesus is God than how can he be greater than himself? He also said "I can of my own accord do nothing" cont.
mia919100 4 months ago
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mia919100 4 months ago
@mia919100 i have answer all your question but i have no reply from you, typical muslim.....
MsYaya101 4 months ago