German Mi-24 Hind - Evaluation flights

[Udonis1989]

was würde ich dafür geben, wenn ich mal in der vorderen kabine mitfliegen dürfte, dem bordschützensitz...

[EugeneVanDerMill]

wegen seiner Hässlichkeit ist das für mich einer der coolsten Maschinen die es gibt... angeblich waren sie aber nicht besonders "komfortabel" ... komisch... obwohl das ein russisches Design ist... ;o)

[BIGKINGRUSSAK]

@EugeneVanDerMill Hässlichkeit? ich finde das teil sieht geil aus..

[EugeneVanDerMill]

@BIGKINGRUSSAK ich finde das ja auch... aber zugeben muss man schon, dass es nicht im klassischen sinn "schön" ist... ;)

[83nav]

Großartiges Video, und vielen, vielen, vielen Dank, dass es nicht mit einem Ton "Musik" versaut wurde.

[natsplit]

@bluesbox57

Nö. Die Franzosen haben 14% stärkere Triebwerke drin. Das ist schon ziemlich viel mehr an Leistung.

Die deutschen Tiger waren fürs Norddeutsche Flachland gebaut und haben daher schwächere Triebwerke, da die dort reichen würden.

Von den insgesamt 80 bestellten Tigern wurden jetzt aber die letzten 16 mit den französischen MTR-390-E-Triebwerken Triebwerken bestellt, damit man diese auch in heißen und hohen Einsätzen nutzen kann.

[maltej1982]

das teil würde bei den ziegenhirten am hindukusch gut aufräumen! :)

[SpotterXY]

@maltej1982 Die Ziegenhirten waren ganz gut darin die Dinger vom Himmel zu holen.

[HosenmatzUltra]

@SpotterXY Sind ja auch Riesenklötze.

[SovietBear91]

@SpotterXY tja im gegensatz zu früher hätten sie aber keine stinger und russland ist kein schlampen-staat wie die USA, sie unterstützen keine islamisten

[saraswati666]

@SpotterXY Stimmt, sie waren ganz gut darin. Allerdings auch nur dank ihrer Stinger, die mittlerweile jedoch zum Großteil übers Verfallsdatum sind. Ohne Flachs, ich glaube auch, dass dieses Gerät in Afghanistan durchaus sinnvoll wäre. Die Afghanische Armee setzt sie ja auch mit gutem Erfolg ein.

[SpotterXY]

@saraswati666 Stingers wurden massive überbewertet. Diesbezüglich mal folgendes Video angucken in dem Scheich al-Adnani über die Effektivität von Stingers in Afghanistan spricht.

watch?v=BdDYIKMuGlg

[RoyFokker1974]

@SpotterXY...das stimmt...haben sie schließlich 10 Jahre lang gegen die Sowjets auch geschafft. Dennoch eine Schande, dass man div. russ. Waffensysteme, die in der BW eine Lücke hätten schliessen können, schnellstmöglich unter Wert vertickt hat und man bis heute nicht im Stande ist eigene Truppen mit Luftnahunterstützung zu decken :(

[Talshet]

@maltej1982 Die Stinger waren nur bedingt erfolgreich und sind heute nur ab 500 metern überhaupt nutzbar gegen Helicopter zumindestens gegen die meisten wie Mi-24,Mi28,Tiger und meisten Europäischen Helicopter. Der Apache verursacht trotz seines kühlungssystems doppelt so viel Hitze wie die meisten anderen Helicopter.

[Speedless73]

na ja, jetzt gibt es ja den tiger... den kampfhubschrauber für pussys und weicheier.

[natsplit]

@Speedless73

Nur doof das die Triebwerke von Tigern nicht für Afghanistan geeignet sind. Selbst wenn die Bundeswehr das Ding hätte könnte sie es dort nicht einsetzten.

[Speedless73]

@natsplit

na klar, es wurde natürlich die "kalter Krieg"-spar-Version beschafft... fast vollkommen nutzlos heutzutage.

Na ja, von Nutzen ist der Tiger nur für die Schmiergeld einstecker und für die Bonzen von Eurocopter.

[SpotterXY]

@Speedless73 Das habe ich einem von den Eurocopter-Leuten auch so ähnlich auf der ILA gesagt. Fand er garnicht gut.

Die Franzosen fliegen den Tiger in Afghanistan. Ist auch schon einer ohne Fremdeinwirkung vom Himmel gefallen.

[armoredtuktuk]

These German hinds used to belong to the East Germans or DDR. They now longer have them because they are replaced by the euro copter when Germany unified.

[jaja1818]

out of all the attack heli's out there..the hind is the one that looks the most badass

[indendunklenschatten]

Ein Hind mit ner Gattlingkanone?

[Suyamu]

@indendunklenschatten

Ja.

Wahrscheinlich eine Hind-D

[indendunklenschatten]

@Suyamu Trotzdem ungewöhnlich...

[Suyamu]

@indendunklenschatten

Die sind durchaus üblich :)

Neure Modelle kommen meist mit Zwillingskanonen 30mm oder 23mm.

Hind-D mit ihren 12,7mm gatling sind aber durchaus weit verbreitet.

[indendunklenschatten]

@Suyamu Dann weißt du besser Bescheid als ich ^.^

[rakgitarmen]

Looks truly evil and badass, my favourite gunship ever. Too bad it's really outdated by today's standarts.

[TheUSAK47]

Iraq had the Mi-24 hind around the time of the first Gulf war back in 1991 , we destroyed all but 129 of them and brought them back to the United States and there now sitting in a storage warehouse ! A good helicopter indeed .

[RevitalizedVessel]

i thought the Mi-24 HIND were Russian.

[Bezzze1988]

@RevitalizedVessel they are

[RevitalizedVessel]

One Day I Will Fly One Of Those Babies!

[xiso]

Wir hätten ihn behalten sollen..

Behalten und von Süd Afrika upgraden lassen.

Dann wären wir jetzt nicht auf den Tiger Pannenhubschrauber angewiesen. So hätten unsere Infanteristen auch mal eine vernünftige Unterstützung.

[jozeaphe]

The title is disrespectful, this is a Raussian war machine, the title could have been something like "Germany Democratic Republic - Mil-24 Evalutaion" not "German Mil-24"

[gvb17]

Aha. Und?

[gvb17]

Gab es eigentlich verbuergte Luftkaempfe zwischen Mi24 und Helis westlicher Herkunft? Gibt es Aussagen bezueglich Kampfwert? Gruss

[SpotterXY]

@gvb17 Nö und ja.

[Bazgatow87]

@gvb17 ja, aber nur zwischen dem Irak und Iran im ersten wirklichen Golfkrieg. -> wiki ;)

[DisposableWarrior]

do the germans still have these Mi-24?

[SpotterXY]

@DisposableWarrior No, they were never introduced into armed service in the united Germany. Most were given away mainly to former Warsaw Pact countries which already operated Hinds or needed them to build up their armed forces and some were given to museums.

[UpgradeMiChI]

@DisposableWarrior no we don´t have. but our helicopter stock in the development.so we haven´t a combat helicopter currently.but by 2014 the helicopter will hopefull be finished. it will called "tieger".

[pflaumenmehl]

@DisposableWarrior

no, they don`t.

[Icarusdecending82]

@druddock Firstly, I dont know any fighter that would be afraid of any helicopter. All a helicopter can do against a modern fighter is hide or hope to get lucky with an infrared missile. I will sort of agree with you, this aircraft is preferable to a military with a tight budget but if you have the money for specialized aircraft, like an Apache, Chinook, or A10, why not prefer them? The blackhawk is better in the utility mission, apache in the fire support role, and A10 as an attack platform.

[Icarusdecending82]

I dont get it. It fights like a fixed wing aircraft, why not just have a fixed wing aircraft? Im sure they could purchase some old A10s from the US. Would be pretty neat seeing an iron cross on the warthog. 

[TheALB2]

german?

[Mindtfreak]

the russian vehicle are very rough and sometimes a time to old but there always working! always ;)

[09GTAplayer]

russia offers lots of things for many countries

[jankorni]

nach der wende hatte die bundeswehr diesen hubschrauber bis 94 oder 95 übernommen

[dudvova]

отличная машина! на счету ми24 есть сбитый самалёт!

[DaveStarr4]

cool............love the cockpit veiw

[MayrN]

Beeindruckendes Video... Hab ich so noch nie gesehen!

[geoago]

with this exhaust attracts the MANPADS like bees to honey .....

[Altair554]

Russian helicopter - the power!

[germany2010ful]

why german ? isnt this russia helicopter?

[Fr4Ged]

@germany2010ful Und weil es ein russischer Hubschrauber ist, fliegen ihn nur Russen?^^ Nein...schon mal was von der DDR oder der NVA gehört? Die NVA wurde mit russischen Kriegsgerät ausgestattet, weil sie die DDR halt der Genosse der Sowjetunion war! ;)

[louiscarr899]

such a beautifull heli! it's faster than the apache, it can hold lots of crew, it's much more cheaper than an apache, it can also serve as an attack helicopter and it looks sexy as hell! ;D but so is the apache, the apache is better than the hind in some ways and the hind is better than the apache in other ways

[Shayne007Gilmar]

I love how they still slap the iron cross on everything

[MegaFubar44]

and i tought tanks can't fly...

[Alexei55555]

mi-35 love

[pR05t0]

in the modern warfare there is no need in aa guns.... there will only be missiles

[SergeMotor]

Русское оружие самое бодрое!!!!!!!!!!

[94Bluefire94]

What does it mean?

[SergeMotor]

а может ты на хер пойдешь?

[wilatemodel]

how much?....

[66mra]

Finally a video without music and I can listen to the sound of the engines. Thanks!

[95predator]

looks like a huge gunship, whereas our tiger is small and agile, and good amored. and fast.

[EliteGhost001]

if the tiger is well armored, this is inpenetrable. But like all aircraft: it only takes 1 good shot to bring them down. Nevertheless: this is a flying tank. Another advantage is that this thing can carry a few soldiers.

Its only drawback is its weight which makes it a little hard to manouvre.

[95predator]

well the tiger is armored up to 23mm shilka bullets. you have to see its less armored space and more modern armor.

but yes this is the real flying fortress

[94Bluefire94]

Isnt that a little too small for modern day aerial defense? The Gepard is using a bigger caliber.

[95predator]

there are still plenty shilkas in development countries.

[94Bluefire94]

Im just sayin.

[michaw73]

The Germans should have kept some.

[Halonkata]

I like the why it start tha angine :)

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[BulgarianTuber]

historically old technology for the museum or for private collectors. Chopers that remind Russia of its affair in Afganistan. Nice historical value. Memories of the soviet union and its greatness.

[nickman912]

Finally a video of a Hind that doesnt have music added to it! I love the sound fo these babys!

[ComboSlicer]

@nickman912

INDEED!

[hellcatdave1]

Well, there are versions with NO weapons at all, but, seeing as its a military gunship, its needs the weapons.

[JFFReaper]

now i have a quick question I've noticed that some models have a side mounted cannon and some have a turret mounted chaingun now is there a model that has both guns or no, "its a waste of bullets" kinda thing

[SlayerViperPL]

Nope, only Mi-24 P (Hind F) has got two barreled 30mm cannon without turret chaingun, the rest of Hinds have 12.7 mm Jak-B four barreled machinegun

[Suyamu]

wasn't it that only Hind D has the chin mounted chaingun?

I think most versions have the twin autocannon.

[SlayerViperPL]

@Suyamu

Mi-24V has this chaingun as well, but from what I know modern Hinds have twin autocannon placed instead of 14.7 Yak-B to the right or under the fuselage.

[SlayerViperPL]

@SlayerViperPL

Sorry, 12.7mm

[MOLOKAIBO1]

BEAST

[trouble455]

Reminds me of my ex-wife.

[ichbinsdoch]

Lol, trouble455. A little dangerous like most women.

[Paparachu]

@trouble455 ahahaha LOL

[hellcatdave1]

@trouble455 Then your username matches you. I pitty you.

[zeking0302]

@trouble455 was she that big?

[Militarija]

@zeking0302 She was that noisy xD

[rakgitarmen]

Totally a beauty.

[lavolvo]

I saw 2 of those beasts a few years ago. They are fucking HUGE!!!

[95predator]

he's right they can transport troops, look it up if you dont believe it.

[94Bluefire94]

The German Army schould have kept all their equipment from the GDR.

[Uberaoshi]

Exactly what I thought too!

But they would that also mean that they would have needed to recaliber the East German rifles(Ak74 or 47 to 5.56 nato?)

[94Bluefire94]

^^ Dont know. Maybe.

I did not mean that they schould have been kept in active service but maybe in museums or for the pilot schools.

[Scoopy4444]

Can i be in front !! ... please ! : )

[ichbinsdoch]

Dass man das noch erleben darf, eine deutsche Mi-24 in Aktion. Klasse!

[alfred024]

Ja fantastisch leider nur mit den falschen Hoheitsabzeichen. Da muss das der NVA dran sonst wirkt es nicht

[scwarzewaffe85]

@alfred024 ja das hind ist zehr fantastisch,mein freunde

[bec1422]

I would be scared shitless if i saw one of them flying toward me, just its profile alone shows its not something you would wanna have to fight against

[Denta92]

Wow, I wish I'd fly one of them, even if it's just for once.

[ffrswrc02]

No GDR it calls NVA (National Volks Armee) this was the army of the DDR

[SpotterXY]

GDR means German Democratic Republic (Englisch für DDR) while West-Germany was called the FRG (Federal Republic of Germany) during this time.

[Ripperbat]

Actually, FRG is the english equivalent of BRD (BundesRepublik Deutschland)

[pilotossss]

i love that :)

[Phazon88]

Thanks for posting this video, great stuff. Its nice to see a video of this amazing chopper without corny music.

[parazitlive]

Good video!

[lst1195]

Did the German Military Continue to fly the Hinds? or retire them?

[SpotterXY]

They did retire them. Some are in German and other aircraft museums now, while some were sold/donated to former Warsaw Pact countries (Hungary, Poland, Mazedonia etc.). I'm not sure but I think two of them are also used as OPFOR helicopters by the US military.

[lst1195]

What attack Chopper Did united Germany go with instead? BO-105? It's just hard to see the reasoning behind not keeping the MI-24

[SpotterXY]

I guess the Tiger was on the horizon and some other issues like further support with spareparts, integration of the weaponsystems etc.

It may also didn't fit to the "defensive" German Army doctrines. ;)

[lst1195]

Ah, I see.

Did they keep any of the Russian aircraft in opperation?

[SpotterXY]

Yes, the Mig-29 for a longer time. You can find videos of them here, too. Just search for "German Mig-29".

[lst1195]

Will do :)

[56LC]

@SpotterXY, that is right th e main reason was that the German military did not need an attack helicopter like the Hind. The issue of spare parts is valid too but to a lesser degree. putting behind the Comunist period also meant doing away with all reminders of it.

[Suyamu]

@56LC

The Mig-29 was kept around until year 2003.

Also I've got posters from the 90ies issued in official Bundeswehr magazine with several Russian made weapon systems along with western stuff on them advertising their capabilities - it certainly didn't seem like the Bundeswehr was trying to get rid of them or hide them from public view because of the past... :)

[Palatine420]

SpotterXY, that's 'Macedonia' thank you.