In short, it is unlikely that anything like what is described in this video would have happened. Abuses by slave owners -- rape, whipping, beating, murder, to say nothing of depriving other human beings of their freedom -- this we know happened, and we must never forget it. But this guy's story? The fact that the guy in the video is selling "artifacts" says it all. A piece of junk with a "history" attached can be sold for thousands of dollars. The history he attaches here does not add up.
Think it through. Alligator hunters' bread and butter depended on catching alligators, period. Dogs/chickens were cheap bait. 19th century and 18th century existence was hard. People lived a far shorter lifespan. The mid-30s was middle-aged, and by then most were hobbling through life burdened by the result of various injuries and incurable illnesses. Slave quarters were crowded. Slaves were the valuable property of their owners. Anyone attempting to steal a slave could be shot on sight.
Slavery was not illegal. It was a thoroughly documented enterprise vis-a-vis business and law. Rough treatment of slaves, lashings, rape, murder were not hidden. Any slave theft was documented. The video claims slave babies were stolen by hunters, then caged, drowned, fed to alligators. No record of it. Stealing slaves was a capital crime in most southern states. You could also be shot on the spot for stealing a slave. Hunters used cheap and plentiful chickens, dogs and cats as bait.
I don't understand why there'd be paintings, artifacts, and racial slurs describing this just for fun. If you think drawing it is fun, then obviously theirs others that take it lightly enough to actually do it. In a time where there were castrations on Black Male Genatalia, Sarah Baartman who they considered to be eqaul to Cattle, and cut her body in peices to display at museums for 160 years.
@ConciousEcho "Gator bait" is a joke insult appellation applied to white people too. The only documentation remotely related to this is the 1923 Time magazine article about black mothers willingly renting out their babies @ $2 head to splash about in shallow water while hunters (white or black not specified) shot any approaching alligators. Easy to see how this practice would spawn a host of jokes, images, expressions. The other atrocities you mention were documented. Why not this one?
@bjocelot In the Book Copper Sun written about slavery, "gator bait" was a racial slur used towards slaves. I think blacks were 2 busy being slaves to hunt alligators at the time, even the 1923 Time article was written by peoples personal accounts, and I C nothing about slaves being payed, but u kno what if they were paid then they werent really slaves, so u just uncovered the truth slavery never really happened, wat were people talking about this whole time? Ok allswell, good job man.
@ConciousEcho "Copper Sun" is a novel written in 2006. Novel means work of fiction. A novel can be historical in nature, but its reliability in terms of factual material depends on the research skills and intentions of the author. This author concocts a tale of white people hunting slaves in the African bush -- capturing the strong young males of a village and slaughtering the rest. We know from history that rival tribes captured each other and sold each other to European slave traders.
@bc9021010001 What I know is, White men came into Africa under false pretenses, and gave guns to certain kingdoms, when neighboring kindoms tried to purchase weapons, they required slaves instead. What I got from africans was based on their history books many slaves were kidnapped, I know what American history books say but Y wud they tell me anything accurate. Tell u what if u walk into a house with pictures of people kidnapped, tortured and killed u wait there for documentation
@bjocelot I definitely believe the people who, believed blacks were equivalent to cattle mutilated black men and women, raped black women as they felt like. Cut up a black womans body to display at museums for 160 years until 1974, definitely believed in fair trade with blacks or anything remotely close to it. Yeah these people are completely equal to garbage until! we want to use their babys to catch alligators for profit, that's where we draw the line!
@ConciousEcho The fact that there is account after account of the atrocities inflicted on black people during the African holocaust attests to the fact that slavery, being a legal enterprise, was thoroughly documented in detail. No accounts of alligator hunters risking death to break into slave quarters, steal babies, cage them, drown them, feed them to alligators. None. All we have a 1923 Time magazine report of black mothers renting out their toddlers @ $2 a head to splash in shallow water.
@bc9021010001 Since u need absolute full proof evidence 2 C wats right in your face. post cards, a museum in florida, paintings all portray the same story. That's Ok it wont be hidden from me, there were 100s of stories lost during slavery. There's alot of things people may take from me even history, but it's up to me to find it, I have and I'll continue. You get yours from the people opress blacks I get it from the source, in the end you believe what u want I'll find the truth.
@ConciousEcho Do you believe in Santa Claus? Why not, with so many Santa Claus paintings and stories? Do you believe black people are monkeys? Why not, with so many cartoons of black people as monkeys? This "gator bait" fiction sounds like any other racist claptrap, concocted to dehumanize the race.
@walterglanz We have no reason to believe in Santa Claus, but if every christmas, there was a present left in ur home no sign of forcible entry, theres only 1 key, and there are deer footprints on your roof. Wud something seem fishy to u. People have no idea wat the slavery was, Whites never believed Blacks were human, defamation was unnecessary. Ever heard the details of slavery? it was like butchers to butcher meat. What other torturous Myths turned out to be fake, from slavery?
@ConciousEcho You stated that drawings and stories of an event is proof that it actually happened in fact. If that is so, then everything in every Hollywood film really happened, everything we see on television really happened, everything depicted on the internet really happened. I agree with those who have pointed out that since slavery was legal, we have extensive detailed documentation of slavery. Making up ridiculous horror stories is not necessary, the real events were horrible enough.
@joh9ny I addressed this basically in my last 2 posts.There are plenty stories from slavery/slave trade never documented, ask an African, surprisingly their history books have a different story. Not every crime of humanity was governmentally sanctioned, the poor used poor methods as always. Castrating a mans genitalia wud be a ridiculous horror story if it wasnt documented right? This story is irrelevent, today this country continues the holocaust, lemme guess ridiculous horror story?
@ConciousEcho The artifact seller in the video says alligator hunters would sneak into slave quarters and steal slave babies, cage them, drown and/or feed them to alligators -- a ridiculous story on the face of it. Alligator hunters used dogs and chickens as bait -- still do to this day in some places. Stealing a slave could get you the death penalty, or beaten/shot on the spot. Honor the real victims of the African holocaust for their real sufferings, don't make up shit to make a buck.
@bc9021010001 The salient point: the person making this claim is an "artifact seller." Take a worthless bundle of sticks and chicken wire, concoct a provocative fiction tinged with racist atrocity and -- voila -- you have a priceless antique! LOL
@bc9021010001 That was 1826, slavery began in the 1500s. nd people still get the death penalty 2day. I look around nd find way 2 many post cards, statuetes, racial slurs etc. 2B naive and dismiss it, nd these actions R way 2 parable 2 the ither trends to say its ridiculous. People play defense as every detail uncovers, and deny as the holocaust continues. People will keep denying until blacks R extinct. Truth is ugly, but icant worry about sparing feelings, with life in the balance
@ConciousEcho There are postcards and statuettes of leprechauns and fairies, of jackalopes and dragons. Do they exist? There are postcards of African people as apes. Is it true? There are books that say African people are innately less intelligent than other races. Is it true? You seem to think because somebody says something or draws a picture of something it is automatically a fact. Let us honor those who really suffered in the African holocaust, not make shit up to make a buck.
@bc9021010001 As I said before wit santa clause, we have no reason to believe those things, they're not plausible, these governmental/federal office issued/approved product is very plausible. You can believe/not believe what you like, your opinion is yours. I get all the other, jokes or riducules that came out of slavery, how would this be that? Are they saying Slaves should be fed to gators andwe wish so badly, that we're juste gonna create a statuette?
@ConciousEcho Should we believe then that because of the plethora of white women raped by black men that all back men want to rape white women? Racist interpretations of the scientific work of Noble-prize winner William Shockley stated the blacks are less intelligent than other races & should be sterilized. True? Ideas seem plausible when attached to facts that are not necessarily related. The fiction in this video is implausible - hunters used cheap bait like chickens and dogs, no babies.
@bc9021010001 All the statistics I Look at show whites doubling blacks in rape cases, aswell as other cases of violence. Wherer u getting ur info? There was a woman claiming she was raped by black men and branded with a B on her face, for obama turned out she was lying the whole time, how many black men would of went to jail and suffered for that? This is America, be careful what you read/hear/ especially about blacks that's the point Ive been trying to make the whole time.
@bc9021010001 and i didnt say anything about a race, just because I brlieve its plausible that some people did thid in florida doesnt mean I think all white people did it.
@ConciousEcho I think the point was lots of people say lots of things, draw pictures of lots of things, make jokes about lots of things, write books and articles about lots of things, but they does not necessarily make them true, even if couched in unrelated facts. The undisputed facts of the African slavery holocaust are horrifying in and of themselves. The story in this video sounds like a crock.
@bc9021010001 I understand where you're coming from, and I understand why. Only if you understood how much this Black History this country tries to hide, and how much that matters, and how much people try to deny the holocaust continues today. You don't know how many people have never heard of the Gullah wars black or white. We have 2 totally different concerns, It's your life, I respect your opinion do and believe as you want.
@ConciousEcho Even pop culture has shown the atrocities of slavery. If black history is being hidden it is being hidden by black historians, and I just do not think they are doing that. Refusal to be educated on a subject is not the fault of anybody except those who refuse to be educated. Once a person can read the responsibility is on them. Education is what makes me reject the hooey in this shameful video. It is an insult to those who really suffered & died in the real African holocaust.
@ConciousEcho What on earth is being hidden about slavery? It was considered a legitimate enterprise, thus meticulous business and legal records were kept. "Roots" as a book and TV event, along with hundreds of other books, plays and films concerning slavery have been produced and widely disseminated. You even find it the subject for exploitation flicks like the "Mandingo" movies. The guy in this video does not seem to be telling any kind of truth.
@walterglanz Read the Willie Lynch Letters, for a long time no one knew alot of those things described in those letters. Im pretty much done discussing this subject. There's too much injustice going on today for me too invest this much time in what;s passed.
@ConciousEcho You seem to be making the longest farewell tour in history. You keep referring to well-known sources that have nothing to do with the subject of this video. Extravagant claims need strong evidence. Slaves were kidnapped, chained, tortured, raped, beaten, whipped, murdered, worked to death. They were also prized, cared for, respected, loved, all while kept from their dignity & freedom. No evidence for the fiction in this video. It smells like B.S. calculated to make a buck.
@ConciousEcho Letters, diaries must be analysed for the author's intent, capacity for objective accuracy. I could write today that you are a provocateur propagandist and a pathological liar. I have no evidence for that now, and 200 years from now there would be less chance of proving that statement. The WIllie Lynch speech has been debunked as fraud by a number of prominent historians, including at Spelman College (the oldest university for black women in the US) for its numerous anachronisms.
@walterglanz Yeah but even if the Letters were fake, doesn't discredit the authenticity of the method or the effects the letter outlined. As is reinforced by Harriet Tubman's " I've Freed a thousand Slaves, I would of Freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Quote. Obviously this quote and many other stories like it describe a psycholgical brainwashing due to conditioning, or in the least conditions.
@ConciousEcho This is sophistry of type used for centuries by racists to prove Africans were worthy of slavery. A fraud is a fraud is a fraud. When claiming historical fact the proof has to at least smell of authenticity. It is better that people keep writing novels and singing songs about the facts we really know than to make shit up. The victims and heroes of the African holocaust deserve better than for hucksters to invent more shocking atrocities than those that really happened.
@ConciousEcho Nazis committed genocide, did horrible experiments on human subjects, enslaved groups of people and worked them to death. Holocaust enough. There were claims for a while that they made soap from human fat and shrunk heads and made lampshades from human skin -- claims made to shock the world but later debunked. No need to exaggerate or make shit up. It sends the message that the suffering of the real victims was somehow not enough. The real African holocaust too was enough.
We are having a discussion about how you torture and kill kittens. If it didn't happen, then how did it become a discussion? Slavery was legal, its atrocities were documented. No record of slave babies being stolen, caged, drowned, eaten by alligators. Most slave states had the death penalty for stealing slaves. Why would some ignorant 'gator hunters sneak into a slave quarters, steal babies, risk getting shot or the death penalty, when dogs and chickens work better and were cheap?
1923 -- Time magazine reports one instance of some black mothers renting their toddlers out at $2 a head to splash about in shallow swamp water while hunters shoot any approaching alligators. No mention of the race of the hunters. No casualties or even suffering occurred. How this got turned into "terrible white people stole black slave babies and dragged them in cages where they were drowned or eaten by alligators" can only be explained by Al Sharpton or Tawana Brawley having a hand in it.
As others have said time and again here, it is offensive to the memory of those who really suffered and died in the African holocaust to say in effect their ordeal was not enough, but now hucksters have to make shit up because the real victims were not victimized enough. And all in effort to sell some cheesy DVDs and fake antiques. Despicable.
Follow the money. Huckster in the video is selling videos. Synthetic controversy and gratuitous provocation sell. News flash: the president of the U.S. is a black man, and has proven, as if we needed it proved, that a black man can be just as evil and hypocritical as any white man. Obama has ordered drone strikes killing little brown babies in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Slavery today flourishes in Africa among black people. Depravity knows no race.
Selling DVDs, "artifacts," and tickets to a roadside "museum" that all appeal to racist fear and hatred of white people appears to be part of the profit motive behind this ridiculous video. Documented atrocity of the slavery holocaust isn't sufficient to attract big bucks, so inflammatory fictions need to be invented. This insults the memory of those millions who really suffered under many slave owners: white, black, American indian.
Terrible!!!! U are the Hebrew Israelites, this all happened, its predicted in the bible. The slaveperiod is almost over. U shall overcome it all and walk with Jesus Yahushuah in the end time. U are the chosen ones.
I don't understand why some people think he is lying. If you know enough lynching stories and stories of how they made examples of slaves in front of others you will realize that this is not too far off in terms of brutality.
@BellaPanamena Must we then assume, to name but one example, that the men who raped, tortured, and murdered Channon Christian and her boyfriend Chris Newsom, also raped, tortured, and slaughtered kittens? At present Sudanese slave traders rape and murder little boys and girls - do we also need to assume they eat them alive? A couple of years ago in Liberia, Joshua "General Butt Naked" Blahyi would sacrifice a toddler before battle and eat its little heart. Isn't documented depravity enough?
@walterglanz No because no one came forward saying that any of those things were true. This man claimed that someone came to him and told him this. that is the difference. Yes documented depravity is more than enough. Covering up some of the sickness of the world because we feel that we have heard enough is unfair to those who have suffered from it
@BellaPanamena We do have documentation of black mothers in 1923 renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No deaths, no torture, no slaves, no cages -- therefore no pricey "artifact" to sell, no cheap attention-getting device to stir up fresh hatred for white people. At present slavery atrocity seems to be the provenance of Africans and Southeast Asians. Respect those who actually suffered -- don't make shit up.
@joh9ny I didn't make up anything. And I am sure the man's intention wasn't to stir up fresh hatred for white people. He simply felt like sharing what he was told. Just because there is documentation for black mothers renting out their kids doesn't mean that this man's story is a lie. I really do not see the point in him lying or how he would benefit
@BellaPanamena If this story was "made up" then where does the idea for the postcards and artifacts come from? When Blacks suffer every people group is included somewhere just to saturate the after effects. Why can't we document and discuss "our" suffering?
@arkansoul I answered that question for you 2 weeks ago: "We do have documentation of black mothers in 1923 renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No deaths, no torture, no slaves, no cages -- therefore no pricey "artifact" to sell, no cheap attention-getting device to stir up fresh hatred for white people." You can find it in Time Magazine's archives. Anecdotes of white babies used similarly are ubiquitous.
@joh9ny First off, to me, this is not to stir up hatred towards whites. That's ridiculous to do so. Secondly, I'm talkling about the fact that black babies were used, PERIOD. If black mothers did rent out their own babies, why wasn't there any decency to tell them "No ma'am. We wouldn't dare use a human being for that purpose." And just because there were no deaths, torture or cages doesn't mean it was humane. Gators shouldn't be worth more than ANY human being.
@arkansoul Words have meaning. Words are important. Of course mothers in 1923 putting their children at risk in exchange for money is horrifying to us. Of course it strikes us as remarkably immoral on the part of the mothers taking the money and the hunters offering it. But the ridiculous claim in the video, the topic of our discussion btw, is that slave babies in the Old South were stolen by white hunters, caged, and dragged in the water where they were drowned or eaten by alligators.
@arkansoul Do you indeed torture and kill kittens? Somebody said that somebody told somebody else who told them. So the question is ... do you indeed torture and kill kittens?
@bc9021010001 Nope. I've never tortured or killed a single kitten, to answer your question. So help me understand this: you simply don't believe that this actually happened, right? Because if you don't believe that it happened, what else can anyone say?
@joh9ny If this is some type of joke, then I'm the only one in the room that doesn't get it. You can type that however you wish. So, I guess this ends the discussion. Nice chat.
@bc9021010001 Where's my proof of what? That it happened? If it didn't happen, then how did it become a discussion in the first place? Just google it and see for yourself. I understand many lies have survived history, but This isn't far-fetched to say it never happened. I'm no racist at all, but look at what DID take place back in those days. It's highly possible that it's true. Do you believe that this took place?
@BellaPanamena OK, I say they are true. You don't believe me? So why believe any random guy who says something to give value to an "artifact." Oldest trick in the book -- ask any antiques dealer.
* Nigger* Apparently Nigger isn't a word if my phone had to auto-correct it. It's just something that was made up thousands of years ago by heartless bastards
Commentmutant, you're an ignorant piece of shit. Maybe you should use your head and look up the definition of bigger, seems to me that you are the only one that's on here, or would you prefer to be called a honky or a cracker? Dumb ass.
As we speak slavery proliferates worldwide. What is this huckster profiteering from farfetched historical fictions doing to end slavery now? Mmhmm thought so.
How is asking for proof for the unsubstantiated claims in this video tantamount to denying the slavery holocaust or denying racism? To the contrary, making wild accusations and concocting fantasy atrocities demeans those who really suffered, as if their real pain was not enough. This video is racist, exploiting the real victims and heroes to sell some bootleg dvds.
Time Magazine reported that in 1923 black mothers rented out their babies @ $2 a head to splash about in shallow swamp water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. It is easy to see how this incident would provoke a number of racist jokes and curios. I have heard legends and jokes of white babies being used for the same purpose. People with no academic credentials who sell artifacts for a living are not the most reliable when it comes to the actual provenance of their merchandise.
@BC9021010001 You also mentioned "why would a crowded slave quarters be entered and not go undetected"? Well, he never said that in this video, so you must be White or a White apologist they have a tendency to "lie" (or deny). He said that when the mother would take her eye off her child, that's when White gator hunters made their move. So yes is "true"...Nothing, no laws, by-laws, no gov't could stop (or would stop) a determined White man from committing these atrocities in the above video....
@ bc9021010001...Why did White people not use their own children as "bait"?? Because White folks didn't see any value in Black life, so it was easy to use a Black baby as gator bait. Black people (in White eyes) were considered "chattel", like a cat, or a dog, or a chicken, like you mentioned in a earlier post, NOT HUMAN BEINGS !!! As far as death penalty, please there was NO DEATH PENALTY for White folks killing Black folks!! So what are you talking about?!?! Now THAT IS "ILLOGICAL" THINKING!!
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@funboy7979...Conflict diamonds did fund the war in Liberia. My point was White folks were the 'hidden hand" in all of this. White folks are the main profiteers from these diamonds. The White man's greed--regardless of the humanity and suffering of the people--is insatiable. As far as Africans invading Europe, Africans didn't do anything that Europeans themselves didn't do. Western nations were built on the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Once again the White man is at the "root" of it all....
@glorifiedgee The sum total of your ramblings appears to agree with the observation that evil is a human trait that freely crosses racial boundaries in all directions. When and where black people have power, then and there black people perpetrate evil on a par with white people. None of this proves the ridiculous claims in this video, that alligator hunters "stole slave babies, caged them, dragged them in swamp water where they were drowned and/or eaten by alligators."
@funboy7979 Like I said before, White folks and their apologists deny, deny, deny...I'm not surprised you're doing the same thing. White folks have that history of viciousness, they were owners of slaves, for CENTURIES!! And then "free" the slaves to "re-enslave" them thru the judicial system..i.e. convict labor, chain gangs. Yes, the White man is very capable of the above crimes against Black men, women and children. What would make the White man "incapable" of doing this???...NOTHING!!!
@funboy7979 Like I said before, White folks and their apologists deny, deny, deny...I'm not surprised you're doing the same thing. White folks have that history of viciousness, they were owners of slaves, for CENTURIES!! And then "free" the slaves to "re-enslave" them thru the judicial system...e.g. convict labor, chain gangs. Yes, the White man is very capable of the above crimes against Black men, women and children. What would make the White man "incapable" of doing this???...NOTHING!!!
@glorifiedgee The Liberian civil war was a white conspiracy and black people were just unwitting pawns? White people made black soldiers eat raw the hearts and livers of their slain enemies? Not likely. The potential for savagery is a human trait, regardless of race.
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@funboy7979 I guarantee you, White folks are somewhere, somehow involved in this civil war. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are funding "both" sides of this war with weapons to kill each other so they can reap the benefits of the land...i.e. "natural resources". The White man has NEVER given a damn about human life. Look at Columbus' history . The White man has a vicious history like no other the world over no other race of people have done a much damage as the White man NO COMPARISON!!
@glorifiedgee You speak of the Liberian civil war in the present tense -- while recent, it ended some years ago. Your assertion that black on black savagery must have at its roots a white instigator is in and of itself paternal racism; you believe nothing a black person or people try to do is generated by their own volition, but their ""white masters" always pull the strings. Inter-tribal warfare in Africa, the Americas, Asia was a fact of life long before the arrivals of various Europeans.
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@funboy7979 Once again, White folks and their apologists want to try and equate Black savagery (more than likely instigated by White folks) and White savagery ( upholding White supremacy)...Please! White savagery is explained in the video above. If Whites are incapable of this, why would they make trinkets and artifacts of Black babies in the mouths of gators? Why?? I'll tell you why, b/c White folks DID what the video says they did! By-the-way, STAY ON TOPIC (the above video)!!
@glorifiedgee Sorry, the claims in the video are illogical on their face. Who would risk the death penalty to steal slave babies for use as alligator bait when chickens, dogs, cats were cheap/plentiful, & used to this day? How would hard-scrabble guys hunting alligators for a living go about invading a crowded slave quarters undetected? 20th C. reports of black mothers renting out their babies to splash about while hunters shot "gators" appears to be the source of the racist jokes/trinkets.
@bc9021010001 Name me 5 White men that received the death penalty for killing a Black man, woman or child between 1605-1950? There's a book called Without Sanctuary. White folks lynching, mutilating, castrating Black men, women or children. Yes, the White man is VERY CAPABLE of commiting the atrocities in this video. In many cases, slave masters had their slaves "insured", so the loss wasn't as devastating. What is the mind-set of a White person using a child as "bait", why not their own child?
@bc9021010001 Who would risk the "death penalty" to steal babies??? WHITE FOLKS!!! The "death penalty" didn't apply to White folks for killing Black men, women and BABIES!!! Name me 5 White men who were executed for killing Black men, women and BABIES b/t 1605-1950??? Just 5!!! Hard to do is it !! The book "Without Sanctuary" showed me what White folks are capable of...That book showed "dozens" of lynchings, castrations, mutilations...so yes, White folks risked the "DEATH PENALTY"!!!
@glorifiedgee The topic, as you occasionally beg to enforce when it serves your rhetorical tricks, is the claim in the video that during slavery alligator hunters kidnapped slave babies, caged them, dragged them in swamp water, where they were drowned and/or eaten by alligators. No proof of it, no sense for doing it, no way to visualize it in the practical imagination. The horrors of slavery have been well-documented. This bullshit concocted to sell race-baiting dvds is despicable.
@funboy7979 Deny, Deny, Deny...White folks have NEVER wanted to face the truth of their atrocities towards Black folk in this country! Just b/c you deny it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The proof is the video. How interesting, White folks have the NERVE to call someone RACIST!!! WOW!!! The reason you can't visualize it is b/c you don't WANT to...White folks do that quite often when truth is being told to them by a Black man...Come to grips w/the truth in the video, you'll feel much better....
@glorifiedgee Sorry, but the death penalty for stealing slaves was not enacted to altruistically protect slaves, but to enforce the racist institution of slavery by protecting slave owners, white and black. There are libraries filled with legal documents about the slave trade and slave ownership. Please show me documentation about slave theft, slave kidnapping, or anything remotely connected to the topic. Your emphatic irrationality and ad hominems are not convincing proof, oddly enough.
@funboy7979 Like I said earlier, there was NO DEATH PENALTY for White folks who killed Black men, women and children!! What are you talking about!!! That "DEATH PENALTY" was lip-service, just like The Declaration Of Independence said "All men are created equal"...lip-service that's all it was/is. As far as "proof", go to Sanford, FL to that pawn shop, you'll get your proof. Well, you'll deny that too...nothing new. That's the White man's history...DENY DENY DENY!!
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@funboy7979 And as far as "proof", I'm sure if you talk to your grandparents, they'll tell you some the "fun" that they know about or participated in...in brutality against Black men, women and BABIES!! Look at a book called "Without Sanctuary", that's the White man's history. If you look at the book, you'll DENY that (book) too....
@glorifiedgee So many presumptions in your screed. You do not know who here is black, and if black whether they are descended from slaves, and if white whether their ancestors owned slaves, or immigrated to the US after slavery in the late 19th or 20th or 21st C., nor is it relevant to the topic. Questioning the unsubstantiated claim in this video is not the same as denying the slavery holocaust. The more irrational and antagonistic your argument is, the less convincing it becomes.
@funboy7979 I said "White(s) or their "apologists"...that covers EVERY RACE of people. So you're in there somewhere. Most Whites did not "own' slaves, HOWEVER the Whites that didn't own slaves ENFORCED the institution of slavery...e.g. (overseers, sherriffs, constables, judges, prosecutors, etc,etc), so they were NO BETTER than the Whites who were slavemasters...If you ENFORCE the institution of slavery, then you're just as bad as the slavemaster....
@glorifiedgee Keep sputtering and grabbing at straws. You have no proof for the outrageous claims made by the race-baiting huckster in this video. Noted. With Barack, Oprah, Tavis, Cornell, Will, Jada, Halle, Tyra, Bill, Chris, every star black athlete, performer, CEO, executive, mayor, entrepreneur, teacher, author, intellectual, it's getting harder and harder to convince young black people they have an excuse to fail, isn't it?
@funboy7979 Every one that you named ALL answer to White folks in some "way", "shape" or "form". The president's running White folks affairs, that's all. He's affraid to even say the word "BLACK", while his people suffer w/16.2% unemployment, levels unseen since The Depression b/c he's afraid of what White folks think. Those "stars" you named, how many are speaking out about the 16.2% Black unemployment?? 2?? I'm not surprised. As far as "proof", listen to the video, there's your "proof"....
@glorifiedgee Black stars, & legions of executives, authors, educators, entrepreneurs, mothers and good old fashioned hard working skilled laborers are making it. Can't just snap your fingers, or indicate righteous anger and growl, "my people have suffered enough, where's mine?" You got to get the training and do the hard work. The recession has hit everybody hard -- official unemployment stats understate the enormity of the crisis -- your 16% black unemployment figure is on the low side.
@glorifiedgee "Every one that you named ALL answer to White folks ..."
Barack, Oprah, Cosby, & just about every black executive have always had white staff answering to them. When you're at the top you can afford to hire the best and sometimes the best person for the job is black, white, asian, latino, foreign-born, etc. With 13% of the US population saying they are black, it is logical that ~87% of the time the boss will not be black. Everybody answers to somebody, or are you "special?"
@funboy7979 Please...I'm not talking about the (White) "peons" that work FOR them, I'm talking about the Whites THEY work for. As far as "everybody answers to somebody"...yes, we answer to "somebody", HOWEVER White folks have ALWAYS had "issues" with Black authority. You know it, I know it and everyone reading this post knows it! No president (like Barack) has EVER faced the sort of opposition (White supremacist) Barack has faced...NONE!!
@glorifiedgee None of which proves the ridiculous claims in this video. The more you try to misdirect and deflect from the topic, the more you prove my point. As to your other concerns, I very much doubt that any white professional who applies to for a six- or seven-figure job under any black entrepreneur or executive is going to "have issues with black authority," whether it be Barack, Oprah. Cosby, or the increasing legions of other black leaders. Sounds like you're stuck in the 1960s.
@funboy7979 Please...me misdirecting and deflecting? You should take your own advice. You were the one that started talking about Oprah, Obama, Cosby. I just answered you. Once again, you're lying to yourself. White folks have an issue w/Black authority! Stop lying to yourself saying it doesn't happen. As far as the video, (before you became distracted by truth) YES it is very true!! And as far as being "stuck in an era"...please, you're stuck in that ERA of DENIAL!! Many White folks are....
@glorifiedgee "I said "White(s) or their "apologists"...that covers EVERY RACE of people."
Actually no. An apologist offers arguments in defense of controversial opinions. White people are not an opinion but a fact.
"If you ENFORCE the institution of slavery, then you're just as bad as the slavemaster...."
Granted, but relatively few had the courage to risk death being abolitionists or runaway slaves. With slavery the law of the land, a large business without slaves could not compete.
@funboy7979 Actually..."YES"...Non-Whites want White folks to feel slavery (and the atrocities toward Black people) was/is a "footnote" in American history. "Apologists" try and "mitigate" slavery, Jim Crow, Sun-Down towns, lynchings, burnings, "laughing barrels"...etc, etc, etc...as if it is an "after-thought" (like you) in American history, but those of us that know our history will not allow you or those "apologist" to "cover-up" history...NO WAY!! Like you're doing to this video....
@glorifiedgee To reiterate: as slavery was lawful business, there is plentiful proof, documentation, evidence for the atrocities of the US slavery holocaust, but none for the outrageous claims in this huckster's video. The horrors of slavery need not be embellished, as if the suffering of its real victims were not enough. A fitting memorial to those subject to slavery in the past would be to work assiduously to end slavery as it exists right now & bring slave owners of all races to justice.
@funboy7979 I'm sure you can ask your grandparents about "undocumented" atrocities that never made a headline of any kind. I'm sure they have some good stories for you. There's a book called "Without Sanctuary", that tells me the White man's history is saturated in blood. As far as "bringing slave owners of all races to justice", your forefathers had a chance to right a wrong in America, but they didn't, they chose a very familiar pattern you yourself have chosen...it's called DENIAL.
@funboy7979 As far as your comment you made about a "relative few had the courage to risk death being abolitionists or runaway slaves"...John Brown had that courage, but yet White folks do not consider John Brown a American hero...why??? Because John Brown killed White folk to free Black folk from the institution of slavery,but yet he is considered a pariah in America? WOW...White people! Once again, White folks will DENY Whites who would take such measures to free Black folk from bondage....
@glorifiedgee White freedom riders knowingly risked death and some did die, yet they are not heroes to you as you hate all white people. Noted. Black people are 13% of the US population. Civil rights legislation in the1960s was passed by a white Congress and funded mostly by white tax payers. Affirmative action programs have successfully bolstered the black middle class. John Brown and abolitionists are studied in schools, as are the facts of slavery. Study and hard work lead to success.
@joh9ny Yes, White Freedom Riders did risk death, HOWEVER White folks should have been out there from the start, if they're truly for "freedom" and "justice" for "all". They were the ones that created Jim Crow, sundown "towns", Black Codes, "laughing barrels", White "Only" ...etc...etc. So, YES they should've been out there fighting against an unjust system White folks created! So they should receive "special treatment" for something they should've been doing all alone?? Please...spare me!
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@joh9ny As far as Civil Right's legislation in the 1960's, White folks should have passed it, they are the "guilty" ones here. As far as Affirmative Action programs, as soon as they "GAVE" Black folks something, they were already thinking of a way to take it back. When it comes to John Brown, that must be in college, that is definitely not being taught in middle schools. As far as "studying slavery", it's a "milquetoast" version which is to make White folk feel no guilt about White Supremacy.
@joh9ny It is pointless to discuss this matter with a dogmatic hate monger. Slavery exists at this moment in the US -- in Florida there are many court cases involving migrant farm workers held under slave conditions. In Africa little boys and girls are forced into slave labor and raped daily. Sex slavery proliferates throughout south Asia and around the world. Any concerned about the horrors of slavery should be working to end it.
@funboy7979 I didnt do it lol.Your guilt or whatever you are feeling from watching this video may have something to do with yourself or maybe your own ancestors.The bible explains the whole story.What im doing about it?Spreading the truth instead of hiding it.Your stored lies since birth cant open your mind to believe such a thing.Funboy,theres nothing fun about whats going on and only a man with truth knows that.These are my ancestors who suffered and we still suffer.Study the bible son.
@funboy7979 Ignorance isnt determined by sound,its determined by your knowledge of the book.Its obvious you dont have it.But you know the dirt behind closed doors.Thats why your hiding lol.REPENT!
@dmshoes Why do you think that demanding proof for the ridiculous claims in this video are the same as rejecting the documented history of the slavery holocaust? You cheapen the truth and the the real victims and heroes of slavery with your madness.
@walterglanz I seen that you were on here a year ago.Why do you keep watching this?You sick freaks are in trouble.Learn about the chosen seed of abraham,yes these children,the people with no nationality called african like the true HAM but are not,called black,negro,colored,ect.You ever seen the movie the matrix?Thats whats going on.You idiots are sleep.This isnt a black and white issue.The bible talks about all this.Use your brain PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dmshoes You appear to believe that deranged rambling is important if it contains moments of emphasis. The fairy tale in this video insults the intelligence; your nonsensical defense of it is pointless. The slavery holocaust claimed millions of real victims through real atrocity. Making shit up to sell a few videos is reprehensible.
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@funboy7979 Talk to him about the video sales not me.I have nothing to do with that but you keep bringing it up.What are you a dolt?Instead of being stuck in your mental dead zone,research this subject instead of thinking this is all this mans made up lies.This stuff is not new and can be found when researched.I will not reply after this.You dont want to learn the importance of the video.Instead you want to make yourself believe its lies and we live in a happy peaceful world.Wake up.
@dmshoes Previous in this discussion was a citing of the single contemporaneous documentation remotely related to this: a 1923 Time Magazine report of black mothers willingly renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No casualties, no cages, no drowning, no slaves. Easy to see how such an incident would spawn racist jokes and cartoons. What else you got?
@glorifiedgee And please, urging others to stay on topic while they try to respond to your undisciplined ramblings demonstrates your lack of willingness to engage in intelligent conversation here. Where is proof for anything claimed in the video?
@bc9021010001 Deny, deny, deny...White folks and their apologists. As far as the proof, you heard the video. Now, where is your proof it did not happen?? Just b/c White folks deny something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Thomas Jefferson's White decendents denied Sally Hemings' family, come to find out, that was a lie! Strom Thurman's family denied he had a Black child, that was a lie! Point is, just b/c you deny something doesn't mean it didn't happen...White people DO DENY AND LIE!!!
@funboy7979...To every Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, there's a Emmett Till and "4 Little Girls". To try and compare 2 White lives (though tragic) to thousands of Black folk who NEVER received justice is disingenuous. I guarantee some Black folk went down for it, unlike Emmett Till's murderers. Scottsboro Boys...no justice, Isaac Woodard...no justice, Tuskeegee victims...no justice...and so on and so forth...Try looking at a book called "Without Sanctuary"...that's White folks history....
@funboy7979...Robert Mugabe isn't any worse than George Bush. Mugabe have not killed anymore people than George Bush, Ian Smith, Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, LBJ, P.W. Botha...the list goes on and on...who many of those men White folks call heroes. The White man's history throughout the world towards people of color is demonic. That's the White man's history! Like I said earlier, White folks always try and justify their evil by saying Blacks are as bad as they are...NO WAY, not even close!
I got a message from a person but umm I really do not watch it. I was crying and very sad. Not only black babies were killed by alligator in years ago but in east Africa, I think it was either Egypt or other Arab countries, they used to throw baby boys to feed alligators. It was very long time ago. Very sad.
There is no scientific basis for race; world populations have been migrating/mixing since there have been humans. We can no more judge all European people by Hitler than we can judge all Asian people by Pol Pot, or all African people by the boy soldiers of Liberia who in recent memory were killing and eating, raw the hearts and livers of their enemies. Slavery survives to this day in Africa, free black people in the Old South who could afford it owned slaves, esp. in New Orleans.
@funboy7979 As far as boy soldiers in Liberia, "conflict diamonds" are funding these soldiers. White diamond companies are the benefactors and the real profiteers here, not the boy soldiers. As far as blacks owning slaves during slavery, that is true. However, no matter how rich Black folk were, they could NEVER OWN a White person under ANY circumstances! So White lives still had MORE value (no matter HOW POOR Whites were) than Black lives in the America. That's the history here and it is true.
@glorifiedgee Nope. Those boy soldiers are no longer living that life since the Liberian civil war ended, and while it was in progress, it was not funded by diamond proceeds. Source of funding had nothing to do with their penchant for eating, raw, the hearts and livers of their slain enemies. The topic was the human capacity for atrocity, which appears to cut across any imagined boundaries of race. In eras past, African slavers raided coastal villages of Europe for slaves. So?
We can blame white people all we want, and ascribe to them satanic qualities good black people don't share. How then do we explain such incidents as the rape and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom?
It's funny how Whites or White apologists' deny, deny, deny. I tried to play devil's advocate and ask myself :"No, no one would do such a thing!!", but then American history tells me otherwise. What would stop White ppl from doing such a thing??? I came to the conclusion...NOTHING!! So that's why I believed it happened. This country's history of mutilations, castrations, brutality towards Black men, women and children...So yes, I'm sure it happened....
Currently Barack Obama, a self-identified black man and commander-in-chief of the most powerful war machine in history, sends robot drones over Pakistan and Afghanistan to kill brown people. Hundreds of innocents have been killed and maimed including children. Atrocity is atrocity and is in our midst, we finance it. No need to concoct embellishments to history to find horror-- human beings are warring apes, no matter how you dress them up.
@funboy7979 You're right about Barack Obama sending robot drones over Pakistan and Afghanistan. You're right about everything (except "concoting" embellishment) you have said in this paragraph. However, Pres.Obama is regulating WHITE AFFAIRS! White people are the ones who benefit most (monetarily) from all the atrocities you just mentioned in this paragraph. Once again, we're talking about American history. Yes, the White man did this! Look at a book called "Without Sanctuary"...he's capable.
I've lived in Florida all my life and I have to say this is a fact. They used to hook the black babies in the mouth just like a fish and tow them in boats until a gator bit them. Some times a smaller gator would bite, only ripping off the infant's legs prolonging the experience.
It's funny how someone stated that killing a black baby in the South will get you the death penalty. You can't honestly believe that so killing a black man would not. Also the theory of them paying black mothers $2 is false if they wanted the babies they did not have to pay them. It's not like they did not steal. You stole Africans freedom, indian's(or should I say native Americans u falsely called them that)land, Parts of Mexico were stolen
@Redskinsfan12609 Woman willingly renting out their babies to play in shallow water to lure alligators in 1923 with no casualties is far different from the claim in the video -- "slave babies were kidnapped, caged, drowned/eaten by alligators." The racist laws in most Southern states were against stealing slaves from slave owners, not against a slave owner killing a slave. The real atrocities were enough. Making shit up to sell dvds insults the memory of the millions who really suffered.
i believe this story 110% it is typical of whites who now feel embarrased by the actions of their so called "great" ancestors,it is very much inline with whites attitudes and views which are still prevalant today,now u whites want to say theres no proof so it didnt happen,I am sure there are thousands more things which werent documented because slave did not have a voice,does that mean it never happened,the white people are,with their sick racist attitudes i have no doubt about this happnening
In the 1800s and early 1900s all white children that went missing (approximately 100,000) was a result of being kidnapped and eaten by blacks. Prove it didn't happen.
@MrMrMayonnaise wat kind of stupid idiotic statement is that,has their been documented proof or even anyone else apart from ur stupid self making this claim,this claim is inline with white people previous actions and attitudes today,black people dont have any history regarding kidnapping white babies,this very attitude which u have trying to make a joke about this situation,this really happened,all the memorobillia just is an example of art imitating life,so go fuck urself u devil
@okonla24 *Woosh*, right over your head. Can't say I'm surprised.
Lol, it really is ironic. I make a claim of some event happening merely as a means of making a point - you want documented proof. Some black prick in a video claims an event based on what he supposedly heard from one shop owner - well, that's plenty enough for you. It doesn't take much to satisfy your preconceived notions that white = guilty / evil. No evidence required.
@okonla24 I do however have plenty of documented evidence of atrocities committed by blacks though I'm sure you're content in basking in your blissful ignorance and don't want to hear it.
@carlousmagnus Repeat: cease and desist. Stalking, threatening, harassing is a criminal violation in all fifty US states and the EU. Now then, you have provided no proof for the outrageous claims made in this video, and have instead attacked anybody asking you for proof. Noted.
I love how people are sooooo very sure this never happened. Were you there? Whose to say it didn't??? Why the hell would they make so much memorabilia then, what sick person would think " Hey lets make up all this sick shit about alligators eating black babies, that's fun!" Some one "eloquently" explain that to me please......
@allsoladarity Well, if it really happened, and it wasn't illegal just like all the other shit they did to slaves, why is there no record of it like there is of every other atrocity perpetrated upon slaves? Pretty thin story this guy is selling here -- "some guy in a store said he heard some guy say to another guy ..." Pretty thin.
In short, it is unlikely that anything like what is described in this video would have happened. Abuses by slave owners -- rape, whipping, beating, murder, to say nothing of depriving other human beings of their freedom -- this we know happened, and we must never forget it. But this guy's story? The fact that the guy in the video is selling "artifacts" says it all. A piece of junk with a "history" attached can be sold for thousands of dollars. The history he attaches here does not add up.
bumpyjjeans 2 weeks ago 5
Think it through. Alligator hunters' bread and butter depended on catching alligators, period. Dogs/chickens were cheap bait. 19th century and 18th century existence was hard. People lived a far shorter lifespan. The mid-30s was middle-aged, and by then most were hobbling through life burdened by the result of various injuries and incurable illnesses. Slave quarters were crowded. Slaves were the valuable property of their owners. Anyone attempting to steal a slave could be shot on sight.
bumpyjjeans 2 weeks ago 6
Slavery was not illegal. It was a thoroughly documented enterprise vis-a-vis business and law. Rough treatment of slaves, lashings, rape, murder were not hidden. Any slave theft was documented. The video claims slave babies were stolen by hunters, then caged, drowned, fed to alligators. No record of it. Stealing slaves was a capital crime in most southern states. You could also be shot on the spot for stealing a slave. Hunters used cheap and plentiful chickens, dogs and cats as bait.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago 2
I don't understand why there'd be paintings, artifacts, and racial slurs describing this just for fun. If you think drawing it is fun, then obviously theirs others that take it lightly enough to actually do it. In a time where there were castrations on Black Male Genatalia, Sarah Baartman who they considered to be eqaul to Cattle, and cut her body in peices to display at museums for 160 years.
ConciousEcho 3 weeks ago
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bjocelot 2 weeks ago
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@ConciousEcho "Gator bait" is a joke insult appellation applied to white people too. The only documentation remotely related to this is the 1923 Time magazine article about black mothers willingly renting out their babies @ $2 head to splash about in shallow water while hunters (white or black not specified) shot any approaching alligators. Easy to see how this practice would spawn a host of jokes, images, expressions. The other atrocities you mention were documented. Why not this one?
bjocelot 2 weeks ago
@bjocelot In the Book Copper Sun written about slavery, "gator bait" was a racial slur used towards slaves. I think blacks were 2 busy being slaves to hunt alligators at the time, even the 1923 Time article was written by peoples personal accounts, and I C nothing about slaves being payed, but u kno what if they were paid then they werent really slaves, so u just uncovered the truth slavery never really happened, wat were people talking about this whole time? Ok allswell, good job man.
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho "Copper Sun" is a novel written in 2006. Novel means work of fiction. A novel can be historical in nature, but its reliability in terms of factual material depends on the research skills and intentions of the author. This author concocts a tale of white people hunting slaves in the African bush -- capturing the strong young males of a village and slaughtering the rest. We know from history that rival tribes captured each other and sold each other to European slave traders.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago
@bc9021010001 What I know is, White men came into Africa under false pretenses, and gave guns to certain kingdoms, when neighboring kindoms tried to purchase weapons, they required slaves instead. What I got from africans was based on their history books many slaves were kidnapped, I know what American history books say but Y wud they tell me anything accurate. Tell u what if u walk into a house with pictures of people kidnapped, tortured and killed u wait there for documentation
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@bjocelot I definitely believe the people who, believed blacks were equivalent to cattle mutilated black men and women, raped black women as they felt like. Cut up a black womans body to display at museums for 160 years until 1974, definitely believed in fair trade with blacks or anything remotely close to it. Yeah these people are completely equal to garbage until! we want to use their babys to catch alligators for profit, that's where we draw the line!
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho The fact that there is account after account of the atrocities inflicted on black people during the African holocaust attests to the fact that slavery, being a legal enterprise, was thoroughly documented in detail. No accounts of alligator hunters risking death to break into slave quarters, steal babies, cage them, drown them, feed them to alligators. None. All we have a 1923 Time magazine report of black mothers renting out their toddlers @ $2 a head to splash in shallow water.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago
@bc9021010001 Since u need absolute full proof evidence 2 C wats right in your face. post cards, a museum in florida, paintings all portray the same story. That's Ok it wont be hidden from me, there were 100s of stories lost during slavery. There's alot of things people may take from me even history, but it's up to me to find it, I have and I'll continue. You get yours from the people opress blacks I get it from the source, in the end you believe what u want I'll find the truth.
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho Do you believe in Santa Claus? Why not, with so many Santa Claus paintings and stories? Do you believe black people are monkeys? Why not, with so many cartoons of black people as monkeys? This "gator bait" fiction sounds like any other racist claptrap, concocted to dehumanize the race.
walterglanz 2 weeks ago 2
@walterglanz We have no reason to believe in Santa Claus, but if every christmas, there was a present left in ur home no sign of forcible entry, theres only 1 key, and there are deer footprints on your roof. Wud something seem fishy to u. People have no idea wat the slavery was, Whites never believed Blacks were human, defamation was unnecessary. Ever heard the details of slavery? it was like butchers to butcher meat. What other torturous Myths turned out to be fake, from slavery?
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho You stated that drawings and stories of an event is proof that it actually happened in fact. If that is so, then everything in every Hollywood film really happened, everything we see on television really happened, everything depicted on the internet really happened. I agree with those who have pointed out that since slavery was legal, we have extensive detailed documentation of slavery. Making up ridiculous horror stories is not necessary, the real events were horrible enough.
joh9ny 2 weeks ago 2
@joh9ny I addressed this basically in my last 2 posts.There are plenty stories from slavery/slave trade never documented, ask an African, surprisingly their history books have a different story. Not every crime of humanity was governmentally sanctioned, the poor used poor methods as always. Castrating a mans genitalia wud be a ridiculous horror story if it wasnt documented right? This story is irrelevent, today this country continues the holocaust, lemme guess ridiculous horror story?
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho The artifact seller in the video says alligator hunters would sneak into slave quarters and steal slave babies, cage them, drown and/or feed them to alligators -- a ridiculous story on the face of it. Alligator hunters used dogs and chickens as bait -- still do to this day in some places. Stealing a slave could get you the death penalty, or beaten/shot on the spot. Honor the real victims of the African holocaust for their real sufferings, don't make up shit to make a buck.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago 3
@bc9021010001 The salient point: the person making this claim is an "artifact seller." Take a worthless bundle of sticks and chicken wire, concoct a provocative fiction tinged with racist atrocity and -- voila -- you have a priceless antique! LOL
walterglanz 2 weeks ago 3
@bc9021010001 That was 1826, slavery began in the 1500s. nd people still get the death penalty 2day. I look around nd find way 2 many post cards, statuetes, racial slurs etc. 2B naive and dismiss it, nd these actions R way 2 parable 2 the ither trends to say its ridiculous. People play defense as every detail uncovers, and deny as the holocaust continues. People will keep denying until blacks R extinct. Truth is ugly, but icant worry about sparing feelings, with life in the balance
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho There are postcards and statuettes of leprechauns and fairies, of jackalopes and dragons. Do they exist? There are postcards of African people as apes. Is it true? There are books that say African people are innately less intelligent than other races. Is it true? You seem to think because somebody says something or draws a picture of something it is automatically a fact. Let us honor those who really suffered in the African holocaust, not make shit up to make a buck.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago 2
@bc9021010001 As I said before wit santa clause, we have no reason to believe those things, they're not plausible, these governmental/federal office issued/approved product is very plausible. You can believe/not believe what you like, your opinion is yours. I get all the other, jokes or riducules that came out of slavery, how would this be that? Are they saying Slaves should be fed to gators andwe wish so badly, that we're juste gonna create a statuette?
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho Should we believe then that because of the plethora of white women raped by black men that all back men want to rape white women? Racist interpretations of the scientific work of Noble-prize winner William Shockley stated the blacks are less intelligent than other races & should be sterilized. True? Ideas seem plausible when attached to facts that are not necessarily related. The fiction in this video is implausible - hunters used cheap bait like chickens and dogs, no babies.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago 4
@bc9021010001 All the statistics I Look at show whites doubling blacks in rape cases, aswell as other cases of violence. Wherer u getting ur info? There was a woman claiming she was raped by black men and branded with a B on her face, for obama turned out she was lying the whole time, how many black men would of went to jail and suffered for that? This is America, be careful what you read/hear/ especially about blacks that's the point Ive been trying to make the whole time.
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@bc9021010001 and i didnt say anything about a race, just because I brlieve its plausible that some people did thid in florida doesnt mean I think all white people did it.
ConciousEcho 2 weeks ago
@ConciousEcho I think the point was lots of people say lots of things, draw pictures of lots of things, make jokes about lots of things, write books and articles about lots of things, but they does not necessarily make them true, even if couched in unrelated facts. The undisputed facts of the African slavery holocaust are horrifying in and of themselves. The story in this video sounds like a crock.
bc9021010001 2 weeks ago
@bc9021010001 I understand where you're coming from, and I understand why. Only if you understood how much this Black History this country tries to hide, and how much that matters, and how much people try to deny the holocaust continues today. You don't know how many people have never heard of the Gullah wars black or white. We have 2 totally different concerns, It's your life, I respect your opinion do and believe as you want.
ConciousEcho 1 week ago
@ConciousEcho Even pop culture has shown the atrocities of slavery. If black history is being hidden it is being hidden by black historians, and I just do not think they are doing that. Refusal to be educated on a subject is not the fault of anybody except those who refuse to be educated. Once a person can read the responsibility is on them. Education is what makes me reject the hooey in this shameful video. It is an insult to those who really suffered & died in the real African holocaust.
bc9021010001 1 week ago 2
@bc9021010001 We could talk forever, Im just gonna say peace to you my friend, and I wish you the best.
ConciousEcho 1 week ago
@ConciousEcho What on earth is being hidden about slavery? It was considered a legitimate enterprise, thus meticulous business and legal records were kept. "Roots" as a book and TV event, along with hundreds of other books, plays and films concerning slavery have been produced and widely disseminated. You even find it the subject for exploitation flicks like the "Mandingo" movies. The guy in this video does not seem to be telling any kind of truth.
walterglanz 5 days ago
@walterglanz Read the Willie Lynch Letters, for a long time no one knew alot of those things described in those letters. Im pretty much done discussing this subject. There's too much injustice going on today for me too invest this much time in what;s passed.
ConciousEcho 5 days ago
@ConciousEcho You seem to be making the longest farewell tour in history. You keep referring to well-known sources that have nothing to do with the subject of this video. Extravagant claims need strong evidence. Slaves were kidnapped, chained, tortured, raped, beaten, whipped, murdered, worked to death. They were also prized, cared for, respected, loved, all while kept from their dignity & freedom. No evidence for the fiction in this video. It smells like B.S. calculated to make a buck.
bc9021010001 4 days ago
@bc9021010001 Cool
ConciousEcho 4 days ago
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walterglanz 4 days ago
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@ConciousEcho Letters, diaries must be analysed for the author's intent, capacity for objective accuracy. I could write today that you are a provocateur propagandist and a pathological liar. I have no evidence for that now, and 200 years from now there would be less chance of proving that statement. The WIllie Lynch speech has been debunked as fraud by a number of prominent historians, including at Spelman College (the oldest university for black women in the US) for its numerous anachronisms.
walterglanz 4 days ago
@walterglanz Yeah but even if the Letters were fake, doesn't discredit the authenticity of the method or the effects the letter outlined. As is reinforced by Harriet Tubman's " I've Freed a thousand Slaves, I would of Freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Quote. Obviously this quote and many other stories like it describe a psycholgical brainwashing due to conditioning, or in the least conditions.
ConciousEcho 4 days ago
@ConciousEcho This is sophistry of type used for centuries by racists to prove Africans were worthy of slavery. A fraud is a fraud is a fraud. When claiming historical fact the proof has to at least smell of authenticity. It is better that people keep writing novels and singing songs about the facts we really know than to make shit up. The victims and heroes of the African holocaust deserve better than for hucksters to invent more shocking atrocities than those that really happened.
walterglanz 4 days ago 2
@ConciousEcho Nazis committed genocide, did horrible experiments on human subjects, enslaved groups of people and worked them to death. Holocaust enough. There were claims for a while that they made soap from human fat and shrunk heads and made lampshades from human skin -- claims made to shock the world but later debunked. No need to exaggerate or make shit up. It sends the message that the suffering of the real victims was somehow not enough. The real African holocaust too was enough.
joh9ny 2 weeks ago
LOL "Over the years I've been collecting artifacts ..." Oh lord there's a sucker born every minute.
walterglanz 4 weeks ago 3
@walterglanz Didn't you know that TYPING SOMETHING IN ALL UPPER-CASE makes it true?
joh9ny 3 weeks ago
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We are having a discussion about how you torture and kill kittens. If it didn't happen, then how did it become a discussion? Slavery was legal, its atrocities were documented. No record of slave babies being stolen, caged, drowned, eaten by alligators. Most slave states had the death penalty for stealing slaves. Why would some ignorant 'gator hunters sneak into a slave quarters, steal babies, risk getting shot or the death penalty, when dogs and chickens work better and were cheap?
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bc9021010001 1 month ago
1923 -- Time magazine reports one instance of some black mothers renting their toddlers out at $2 a head to splash about in shallow swamp water while hunters shoot any approaching alligators. No mention of the race of the hunters. No casualties or even suffering occurred. How this got turned into "terrible white people stole black slave babies and dragged them in cages where they were drowned or eaten by alligators" can only be explained by Al Sharpton or Tawana Brawley having a hand in it.
bc9021010001 1 month ago 3
Hmmm... speechless.
lotuswombman19 1 month ago in playlist Gator Bait
As others have said time and again here, it is offensive to the memory of those who really suffered and died in the African holocaust to say in effect their ordeal was not enough, but now hucksters have to make shit up because the real victims were not victimized enough. And all in effort to sell some cheesy DVDs and fake antiques. Despicable.
joh9ny 1 month ago 2
Follow the money. Huckster in the video is selling videos. Synthetic controversy and gratuitous provocation sell. News flash: the president of the U.S. is a black man, and has proven, as if we needed it proved, that a black man can be just as evil and hypocritical as any white man. Obama has ordered drone strikes killing little brown babies in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Slavery today flourishes in Africa among black people. Depravity knows no race.
walterglanz 1 month ago 15
Selling DVDs, "artifacts," and tickets to a roadside "museum" that all appeal to racist fear and hatred of white people appears to be part of the profit motive behind this ridiculous video. Documented atrocity of the slavery holocaust isn't sufficient to attract big bucks, so inflammatory fictions need to be invented. This insults the memory of those millions who really suffered under many slave owners: white, black, American indian.
joh9ny 1 month ago 9
Terrible!!!! U are the Hebrew Israelites, this all happened, its predicted in the bible. The slaveperiod is almost over. U shall overcome it all and walk with Jesus Yahushuah in the end time. U are the chosen ones.
dienaarvanYahuah 2 months ago
I don't understand why some people think he is lying. If you know enough lynching stories and stories of how they made examples of slaves in front of others you will realize that this is not too far off in terms of brutality.
BellaPanamena 2 months ago
@BellaPanamena Must we then assume, to name but one example, that the men who raped, tortured, and murdered Channon Christian and her boyfriend Chris Newsom, also raped, tortured, and slaughtered kittens? At present Sudanese slave traders rape and murder little boys and girls - do we also need to assume they eat them alive? A couple of years ago in Liberia, Joshua "General Butt Naked" Blahyi would sacrifice a toddler before battle and eat its little heart. Isn't documented depravity enough?
walterglanz 2 months ago 6
@walterglanz No because no one came forward saying that any of those things were true. This man claimed that someone came to him and told him this. that is the difference. Yes documented depravity is more than enough. Covering up some of the sickness of the world because we feel that we have heard enough is unfair to those who have suffered from it
BellaPanamena 2 months ago
@BellaPanamena We do have documentation of black mothers in 1923 renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No deaths, no torture, no slaves, no cages -- therefore no pricey "artifact" to sell, no cheap attention-getting device to stir up fresh hatred for white people. At present slavery atrocity seems to be the provenance of Africans and Southeast Asians. Respect those who actually suffered -- don't make shit up.
joh9ny 2 months ago 7
@joh9ny I didn't make up anything. And I am sure the man's intention wasn't to stir up fresh hatred for white people. He simply felt like sharing what he was told. Just because there is documentation for black mothers renting out their kids doesn't mean that this man's story is a lie. I really do not see the point in him lying or how he would benefit
BellaPanamena 2 months ago
@BellaPanamena If this story was "made up" then where does the idea for the postcards and artifacts come from? When Blacks suffer every people group is included somewhere just to saturate the after effects. Why can't we document and discuss "our" suffering?
arkansoul 1 month ago 2
@arkansoul Exactly. I am not one of the people saying that it isn't true. I believe it. Ask them
BellaPanamena 1 month ago
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@arkansoul I answered that question for you 2 weeks ago: "We do have documentation of black mothers in 1923 renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No deaths, no torture, no slaves, no cages -- therefore no pricey "artifact" to sell, no cheap attention-getting device to stir up fresh hatred for white people." You can find it in Time Magazine's archives. Anecdotes of white babies used similarly are ubiquitous.
joh9ny 1 month ago
@joh9ny First off, to me, this is not to stir up hatred towards whites. That's ridiculous to do so. Secondly, I'm talkling about the fact that black babies were used, PERIOD. If black mothers did rent out their own babies, why wasn't there any decency to tell them "No ma'am. We wouldn't dare use a human being for that purpose." And just because there were no deaths, torture or cages doesn't mean it was humane. Gators shouldn't be worth more than ANY human being.
arkansoul 1 month ago
@arkansoul Words have meaning. Words are important. Of course mothers in 1923 putting their children at risk in exchange for money is horrifying to us. Of course it strikes us as remarkably immoral on the part of the mothers taking the money and the hunters offering it. But the ridiculous claim in the video, the topic of our discussion btw, is that slave babies in the Old South were stolen by white hunters, caged, and dragged in the water where they were drowned or eaten by alligators.
bc9021010001 1 month ago 2
@bc9021010001 Didn't you know that something is true as long as somebody TYPES IN ALL UPPER-CASE LETTERS that it is true?
joh9ny 1 month ago
@bc9021010001 So the question is...were they indeed stolen and used for that purpose?
arkansoul 1 month ago
@arkansoul Do you indeed torture and kill kittens? Somebody said that somebody told somebody else who told them. So the question is ... do you indeed torture and kill kittens?
bc9021010001 1 month ago
@bc9021010001 Type it in all UPPER CASE letters a few times, then it will magically become true.
joh9ny 1 month ago
@bc9021010001 Nope. I've never tortured or killed a single kitten, to answer your question. So help me understand this: you simply don't believe that this actually happened, right? Because if you don't believe that it happened, what else can anyone say?
arkansoul 1 month ago
@arkansoul Why do you say you never TORTURED AND KILLED KITTENS when everybody is typing in upper case letters that YOU TORTURE AND KILL KITTENS. LOL
joh9ny 1 month ago 3
@joh9ny If this is some type of joke, then I'm the only one in the room that doesn't get it. You can type that however you wish. So, I guess this ends the discussion. Nice chat.
arkansoul 1 month ago
@arkansoul Where's your proof?
bc9021010001 1 month ago
@bc9021010001 Where's my proof of what? That it happened? If it didn't happen, then how did it become a discussion in the first place? Just google it and see for yourself. I understand many lies have survived history, but This isn't far-fetched to say it never happened. I'm no racist at all, but look at what DID take place back in those days. It's highly possible that it's true. Do you believe that this took place?
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bc9021010001 1 month ago
@bc9021010001 do your research.....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE SINS OF YOUR FATHER.
malcolmbenjamin28 1 month ago
@malcolmbenjamin28 Where's your proof?
bc9021010001 1 month ago
@BellaPanamena OK, I say they are true. You don't believe me? So why believe any random guy who says something to give value to an "artifact." Oldest trick in the book -- ask any antiques dealer.
joh9ny 1 month ago 2
* Nigger* Apparently Nigger isn't a word if my phone had to auto-correct it. It's just something that was made up thousands of years ago by heartless bastards
aglenn826 2 months ago
Commentmutant, you're an ignorant piece of shit. Maybe you should use your head and look up the definition of bigger, seems to me that you are the only one that's on here, or would you prefer to be called a honky or a cracker? Dumb ass.
aglenn826 2 months ago
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you dumb niggers should be happy we brought you here, you would be dying off like an animal on the endangered species list..
commentmutant 2 months ago
Mane dis shit whack! Wen yall gon gibez me a check fo dis?
Kadeem51jr 3 months ago
As we speak slavery proliferates worldwide. What is this huckster profiteering from farfetched historical fictions doing to end slavery now? Mmhmm thought so.
joh9ny 5 months ago 8
OMG!!!!! I speechless.
barbara10d 5 months ago
dem devils did it they doing it now
greatbrutus 5 months ago
How is asking for proof for the unsubstantiated claims in this video tantamount to denying the slavery holocaust or denying racism? To the contrary, making wild accusations and concocting fantasy atrocities demeans those who really suffered, as if their real pain was not enough. This video is racist, exploiting the real victims and heroes to sell some bootleg dvds.
bc9021010001 6 months ago 2
Time Magazine reported that in 1923 black mothers rented out their babies @ $2 a head to splash about in shallow swamp water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. It is easy to see how this incident would provoke a number of racist jokes and curios. I have heard legends and jokes of white babies being used for the same purpose. People with no academic credentials who sell artifacts for a living are not the most reliable when it comes to the actual provenance of their merchandise.
funboy7979 6 months ago 3
@BC9021010001 You also mentioned "why would a crowded slave quarters be entered and not go undetected"? Well, he never said that in this video, so you must be White or a White apologist they have a tendency to "lie" (or deny). He said that when the mother would take her eye off her child, that's when White gator hunters made their move. So yes is "true"...Nothing, no laws, by-laws, no gov't could stop (or would stop) a determined White man from committing these atrocities in the above video....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@ bc9021010001...Why did White people not use their own children as "bait"?? Because White folks didn't see any value in Black life, so it was easy to use a Black baby as gator bait. Black people (in White eyes) were considered "chattel", like a cat, or a dog, or a chicken, like you mentioned in a earlier post, NOT HUMAN BEINGS !!! As far as death penalty, please there was NO DEATH PENALTY for White folks killing Black folks!! So what are you talking about?!?! Now THAT IS "ILLOGICAL" THINKING!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
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@funboy7979...Conflict diamonds did fund the war in Liberia. My point was White folks were the 'hidden hand" in all of this. White folks are the main profiteers from these diamonds. The White man's greed--regardless of the humanity and suffering of the people--is insatiable. As far as Africans invading Europe, Africans didn't do anything that Europeans themselves didn't do. Western nations were built on the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Once again the White man is at the "root" of it all....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee The sum total of your ramblings appears to agree with the observation that evil is a human trait that freely crosses racial boundaries in all directions. When and where black people have power, then and there black people perpetrate evil on a par with white people. None of this proves the ridiculous claims in this video, that alligator hunters "stole slave babies, caged them, dragged them in swamp water where they were drowned and/or eaten by alligators."
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 Like I said before, White folks and their apologists deny, deny, deny...I'm not surprised you're doing the same thing. White folks have that history of viciousness, they were owners of slaves, for CENTURIES!! And then "free" the slaves to "re-enslave" them thru the judicial system..i.e. convict labor, chain gangs. Yes, the White man is very capable of the above crimes against Black men, women and children. What would make the White man "incapable" of doing this???...NOTHING!!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@funboy7979 Like I said before, White folks and their apologists deny, deny, deny...I'm not surprised you're doing the same thing. White folks have that history of viciousness, they were owners of slaves, for CENTURIES!! And then "free" the slaves to "re-enslave" them thru the judicial system...e.g. convict labor, chain gangs. Yes, the White man is very capable of the above crimes against Black men, women and children. What would make the White man "incapable" of doing this???...NOTHING!!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee The Liberian civil war was a white conspiracy and black people were just unwitting pawns? White people made black soldiers eat raw the hearts and livers of their slain enemies? Not likely. The potential for savagery is a human trait, regardless of race.
funboy7979 6 months ago 13
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@funboy7979 I guarantee you, White folks are somewhere, somehow involved in this civil war. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are funding "both" sides of this war with weapons to kill each other so they can reap the benefits of the land...i.e. "natural resources". The White man has NEVER given a damn about human life. Look at Columbus' history . The White man has a vicious history like no other the world over no other race of people have done a much damage as the White man NO COMPARISON!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee You speak of the Liberian civil war in the present tense -- while recent, it ended some years ago. Your assertion that black on black savagery must have at its roots a white instigator is in and of itself paternal racism; you believe nothing a black person or people try to do is generated by their own volition, but their ""white masters" always pull the strings. Inter-tribal warfare in Africa, the Americas, Asia was a fact of life long before the arrivals of various Europeans.
funboy7979 6 months ago 13
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@funboy7979 Once again, White folks and their apologists want to try and equate Black savagery (more than likely instigated by White folks) and White savagery ( upholding White supremacy)...Please! White savagery is explained in the video above. If Whites are incapable of this, why would they make trinkets and artifacts of Black babies in the mouths of gators? Why?? I'll tell you why, b/c White folks DID what the video says they did! By-the-way, STAY ON TOPIC (the above video)!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee Sorry, the claims in the video are illogical on their face. Who would risk the death penalty to steal slave babies for use as alligator bait when chickens, dogs, cats were cheap/plentiful, & used to this day? How would hard-scrabble guys hunting alligators for a living go about invading a crowded slave quarters undetected? 20th C. reports of black mothers renting out their babies to splash about while hunters shot "gators" appears to be the source of the racist jokes/trinkets.
bc9021010001 6 months ago 31
@bc9021010001 Name me 5 White men that received the death penalty for killing a Black man, woman or child between 1605-1950? There's a book called Without Sanctuary. White folks lynching, mutilating, castrating Black men, women or children. Yes, the White man is VERY CAPABLE of commiting the atrocities in this video. In many cases, slave masters had their slaves "insured", so the loss wasn't as devastating. What is the mind-set of a White person using a child as "bait", why not their own child?
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@bc9021010001 Who would risk the "death penalty" to steal babies??? WHITE FOLKS!!! The "death penalty" didn't apply to White folks for killing Black men, women and BABIES!!! Name me 5 White men who were executed for killing Black men, women and BABIES b/t 1605-1950??? Just 5!!! Hard to do is it !! The book "Without Sanctuary" showed me what White folks are capable of...That book showed "dozens" of lynchings, castrations, mutilations...so yes, White folks risked the "DEATH PENALTY"!!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee The topic, as you occasionally beg to enforce when it serves your rhetorical tricks, is the claim in the video that during slavery alligator hunters kidnapped slave babies, caged them, dragged them in swamp water, where they were drowned and/or eaten by alligators. No proof of it, no sense for doing it, no way to visualize it in the practical imagination. The horrors of slavery have been well-documented. This bullshit concocted to sell race-baiting dvds is despicable.
funboy7979 6 months ago 2
@funboy7979 Deny, Deny, Deny...White folks have NEVER wanted to face the truth of their atrocities towards Black folk in this country! Just b/c you deny it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The proof is the video. How interesting, White folks have the NERVE to call someone RACIST!!! WOW!!! The reason you can't visualize it is b/c you don't WANT to...White folks do that quite often when truth is being told to them by a Black man...Come to grips w/the truth in the video, you'll feel much better....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee Sorry, but the death penalty for stealing slaves was not enacted to altruistically protect slaves, but to enforce the racist institution of slavery by protecting slave owners, white and black. There are libraries filled with legal documents about the slave trade and slave ownership. Please show me documentation about slave theft, slave kidnapping, or anything remotely connected to the topic. Your emphatic irrationality and ad hominems are not convincing proof, oddly enough.
funboy7979 6 months ago 15
@funboy7979 Like I said earlier, there was NO DEATH PENALTY for White folks who killed Black men, women and children!! What are you talking about!!! That "DEATH PENALTY" was lip-service, just like The Declaration Of Independence said "All men are created equal"...lip-service that's all it was/is. As far as "proof", go to Sanford, FL to that pawn shop, you'll get your proof. Well, you'll deny that too...nothing new. That's the White man's history...DENY DENY DENY!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
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@funboy7979 And as far as "proof", I'm sure if you talk to your grandparents, they'll tell you some the "fun" that they know about or participated in...in brutality against Black men, women and BABIES!! Look at a book called "Without Sanctuary", that's the White man's history. If you look at the book, you'll DENY that (book) too....
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funboy7979 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee So many presumptions in your screed. You do not know who here is black, and if black whether they are descended from slaves, and if white whether their ancestors owned slaves, or immigrated to the US after slavery in the late 19th or 20th or 21st C., nor is it relevant to the topic. Questioning the unsubstantiated claim in this video is not the same as denying the slavery holocaust. The more irrational and antagonistic your argument is, the less convincing it becomes.
funboy7979 6 months ago 8
@funboy7979 I said "White(s) or their "apologists"...that covers EVERY RACE of people. So you're in there somewhere. Most Whites did not "own' slaves, HOWEVER the Whites that didn't own slaves ENFORCED the institution of slavery...e.g. (overseers, sherriffs, constables, judges, prosecutors, etc,etc), so they were NO BETTER than the Whites who were slavemasters...If you ENFORCE the institution of slavery, then you're just as bad as the slavemaster....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee Keep sputtering and grabbing at straws. You have no proof for the outrageous claims made by the race-baiting huckster in this video. Noted. With Barack, Oprah, Tavis, Cornell, Will, Jada, Halle, Tyra, Bill, Chris, every star black athlete, performer, CEO, executive, mayor, entrepreneur, teacher, author, intellectual, it's getting harder and harder to convince young black people they have an excuse to fail, isn't it?
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 Every one that you named ALL answer to White folks in some "way", "shape" or "form". The president's running White folks affairs, that's all. He's affraid to even say the word "BLACK", while his people suffer w/16.2% unemployment, levels unseen since The Depression b/c he's afraid of what White folks think. Those "stars" you named, how many are speaking out about the 16.2% Black unemployment?? 2?? I'm not surprised. As far as "proof", listen to the video, there's your "proof"....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee Black stars, & legions of executives, authors, educators, entrepreneurs, mothers and good old fashioned hard working skilled laborers are making it. Can't just snap your fingers, or indicate righteous anger and growl, "my people have suffered enough, where's mine?" You got to get the training and do the hard work. The recession has hit everybody hard -- official unemployment stats understate the enormity of the crisis -- your 16% black unemployment figure is on the low side.
freestuffffff 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee "Every one that you named ALL answer to White folks ..."
Barack, Oprah, Cosby, & just about every black executive have always had white staff answering to them. When you're at the top you can afford to hire the best and sometimes the best person for the job is black, white, asian, latino, foreign-born, etc. With 13% of the US population saying they are black, it is logical that ~87% of the time the boss will not be black. Everybody answers to somebody, or are you "special?"
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 Please...I'm not talking about the (White) "peons" that work FOR them, I'm talking about the Whites THEY work for. As far as "everybody answers to somebody"...yes, we answer to "somebody", HOWEVER White folks have ALWAYS had "issues" with Black authority. You know it, I know it and everyone reading this post knows it! No president (like Barack) has EVER faced the sort of opposition (White supremacist) Barack has faced...NONE!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee None of which proves the ridiculous claims in this video. The more you try to misdirect and deflect from the topic, the more you prove my point. As to your other concerns, I very much doubt that any white professional who applies to for a six- or seven-figure job under any black entrepreneur or executive is going to "have issues with black authority," whether it be Barack, Oprah. Cosby, or the increasing legions of other black leaders. Sounds like you're stuck in the 1960s.
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 Please...me misdirecting and deflecting? You should take your own advice. You were the one that started talking about Oprah, Obama, Cosby. I just answered you. Once again, you're lying to yourself. White folks have an issue w/Black authority! Stop lying to yourself saying it doesn't happen. As far as the video, (before you became distracted by truth) YES it is very true!! And as far as being "stuck in an era"...please, you're stuck in that ERA of DENIAL!! Many White folks are....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee "I said "White(s) or their "apologists"...that covers EVERY RACE of people."
Actually no. An apologist offers arguments in defense of controversial opinions. White people are not an opinion but a fact.
"If you ENFORCE the institution of slavery, then you're just as bad as the slavemaster...."
Granted, but relatively few had the courage to risk death being abolitionists or runaway slaves. With slavery the law of the land, a large business without slaves could not compete.
funboy7979 6 months ago 9
@funboy7979 Actually..."YES"...Non-Whites want White folks to feel slavery (and the atrocities toward Black people) was/is a "footnote" in American history. "Apologists" try and "mitigate" slavery, Jim Crow, Sun-Down towns, lynchings, burnings, "laughing barrels"...etc, etc, etc...as if it is an "after-thought" (like you) in American history, but those of us that know our history will not allow you or those "apologist" to "cover-up" history...NO WAY!! Like you're doing to this video....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee To reiterate: as slavery was lawful business, there is plentiful proof, documentation, evidence for the atrocities of the US slavery holocaust, but none for the outrageous claims in this huckster's video. The horrors of slavery need not be embellished, as if the suffering of its real victims were not enough. A fitting memorial to those subject to slavery in the past would be to work assiduously to end slavery as it exists right now & bring slave owners of all races to justice.
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 I'm sure you can ask your grandparents about "undocumented" atrocities that never made a headline of any kind. I'm sure they have some good stories for you. There's a book called "Without Sanctuary", that tells me the White man's history is saturated in blood. As far as "bringing slave owners of all races to justice", your forefathers had a chance to right a wrong in America, but they didn't, they chose a very familiar pattern you yourself have chosen...it's called DENIAL.
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@funboy7979 As far as your comment you made about a "relative few had the courage to risk death being abolitionists or runaway slaves"...John Brown had that courage, but yet White folks do not consider John Brown a American hero...why??? Because John Brown killed White folk to free Black folk from the institution of slavery,but yet he is considered a pariah in America? WOW...White people! Once again, White folks will DENY Whites who would take such measures to free Black folk from bondage....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee White freedom riders knowingly risked death and some did die, yet they are not heroes to you as you hate all white people. Noted. Black people are 13% of the US population. Civil rights legislation in the1960s was passed by a white Congress and funded mostly by white tax payers. Affirmative action programs have successfully bolstered the black middle class. John Brown and abolitionists are studied in schools, as are the facts of slavery. Study and hard work lead to success.
joh9ny 5 months ago 21
@joh9ny Yes, White Freedom Riders did risk death, HOWEVER White folks should have been out there from the start, if they're truly for "freedom" and "justice" for "all". They were the ones that created Jim Crow, sundown "towns", Black Codes, "laughing barrels", White "Only" ...etc...etc. So, YES they should've been out there fighting against an unjust system White folks created! So they should receive "special treatment" for something they should've been doing all alone?? Please...spare me!
glorifiedgee 5 months ago
@glorifiedgee spare you? as if your worth anyone's time lmfao.
commentmutant 2 months ago
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@joh9ny As far as Civil Right's legislation in the 1960's, White folks should have passed it, they are the "guilty" ones here. As far as Affirmative Action programs, as soon as they "GAVE" Black folks something, they were already thinking of a way to take it back. When it comes to John Brown, that must be in college, that is definitely not being taught in middle schools. As far as "studying slavery", it's a "milquetoast" version which is to make White folk feel no guilt about White Supremacy.
glorifiedgee 5 months ago
@joh9ny It is pointless to discuss this matter with a dogmatic hate monger. Slavery exists at this moment in the US -- in Florida there are many court cases involving migrant farm workers held under slave conditions. In Africa little boys and girls are forced into slave labor and raped daily. Sex slavery proliferates throughout south Asia and around the world. Any concerned about the horrors of slavery should be working to end it.
funboy7979 5 months ago 48
@funboy7979 I didnt do it lol.Your guilt or whatever you are feeling from watching this video may have something to do with yourself or maybe your own ancestors.The bible explains the whole story.What im doing about it?Spreading the truth instead of hiding it.Your stored lies since birth cant open your mind to believe such a thing.Funboy,theres nothing fun about whats going on and only a man with truth knows that.These are my ancestors who suffered and we still suffer.Study the bible son.
dmshoes 3 months ago
@dmshoes You sound ignorant. No proof or hint here that I am not black nor that you are.
funboy7979 3 months ago 3
@funboy7979 Ignorance isnt determined by sound,its determined by your knowledge of the book.Its obvious you dont have it.But you know the dirt behind closed doors.Thats why your hiding lol.REPENT!
dmshoes 3 months ago
@dmshoes Why do you think that demanding proof for the ridiculous claims in this video are the same as rejecting the documented history of the slavery holocaust? You cheapen the truth and the the real victims and heroes of slavery with your madness.
walterglanz 3 months ago 4
@walterglanz You know whats going on.Thats why your hiding lol.REPENT!
dmshoes 3 months ago
@walterglanz I seen that you were on here a year ago.Why do you keep watching this?You sick freaks are in trouble.Learn about the chosen seed of abraham,yes these children,the people with no nationality called african like the true HAM but are not,called black,negro,colored,ect.You ever seen the movie the matrix?Thats whats going on.You idiots are sleep.This isnt a black and white issue.The bible talks about all this.Use your brain PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dmshoes 3 months ago
@dmshoes You appear to believe that deranged rambling is important if it contains moments of emphasis. The fairy tale in this video insults the intelligence; your nonsensical defense of it is pointless. The slavery holocaust claimed millions of real victims through real atrocity. Making shit up to sell a few videos is reprehensible.
funboy7979 3 months ago 7
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@funboy7979 Talk to him about the video sales not me.I have nothing to do with that but you keep bringing it up.What are you a dolt?Instead of being stuck in your mental dead zone,research this subject instead of thinking this is all this mans made up lies.This stuff is not new and can be found when researched.I will not reply after this.You dont want to learn the importance of the video.Instead you want to make yourself believe its lies and we live in a happy peaceful world.Wake up.
dmshoes 3 months ago
@dmshoes Previous in this discussion was a citing of the single contemporaneous documentation remotely related to this: a 1923 Time Magazine report of black mothers willingly renting out their toddlers at $2 a head to splash about in shallow water while hunters shot any approaching alligators. No casualties, no cages, no drowning, no slaves. Easy to see how such an incident would spawn racist jokes and cartoons. What else you got?
funboy7979 3 months ago 15
@glorifiedgee And please, urging others to stay on topic while they try to respond to your undisciplined ramblings demonstrates your lack of willingness to engage in intelligent conversation here. Where is proof for anything claimed in the video?
bc9021010001 6 months ago 3
@bc9021010001 Deny, deny, deny...White folks and their apologists. As far as the proof, you heard the video. Now, where is your proof it did not happen?? Just b/c White folks deny something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.Thomas Jefferson's White decendents denied Sally Hemings' family, come to find out, that was a lie! Strom Thurman's family denied he had a Black child, that was a lie! Point is, just b/c you deny something doesn't mean it didn't happen...White people DO DENY AND LIE!!!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@funboy7979...To every Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, there's a Emmett Till and "4 Little Girls". To try and compare 2 White lives (though tragic) to thousands of Black folk who NEVER received justice is disingenuous. I guarantee some Black folk went down for it, unlike Emmett Till's murderers. Scottsboro Boys...no justice, Isaac Woodard...no justice, Tuskeegee victims...no justice...and so on and so forth...Try looking at a book called "Without Sanctuary"...that's White folks history....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@funboy7979...Robert Mugabe isn't any worse than George Bush. Mugabe have not killed anymore people than George Bush, Ian Smith, Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, LBJ, P.W. Botha...the list goes on and on...who many of those men White folks call heroes. The White man's history throughout the world towards people of color is demonic. That's the White man's history! Like I said earlier, White folks always try and justify their evil by saying Blacks are as bad as they are...NO WAY, not even close!
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
I got a message from a person but umm I really do not watch it. I was crying and very sad. Not only black babies were killed by alligator in years ago but in east Africa, I think it was either Egypt or other Arab countries, they used to throw baby boys to feed alligators. It was very long time ago. Very sad.
missexi718 6 months ago
Whites are the most evil people to walk the earth. They even put babies in stoves in Germany..
whayes8084 6 months ago
There is no scientific basis for race; world populations have been migrating/mixing since there have been humans. We can no more judge all European people by Hitler than we can judge all Asian people by Pol Pot, or all African people by the boy soldiers of Liberia who in recent memory were killing and eating, raw the hearts and livers of their enemies. Slavery survives to this day in Africa, free black people in the Old South who could afford it owned slaves, esp. in New Orleans.
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 As far as boy soldiers in Liberia, "conflict diamonds" are funding these soldiers. White diamond companies are the benefactors and the real profiteers here, not the boy soldiers. As far as blacks owning slaves during slavery, that is true. However, no matter how rich Black folk were, they could NEVER OWN a White person under ANY circumstances! So White lives still had MORE value (no matter HOW POOR Whites were) than Black lives in the America. That's the history here and it is true.
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
@glorifiedgee Nope. Those boy soldiers are no longer living that life since the Liberian civil war ended, and while it was in progress, it was not funded by diamond proceeds. Source of funding had nothing to do with their penchant for eating, raw, the hearts and livers of their slain enemies. The topic was the human capacity for atrocity, which appears to cut across any imagined boundaries of race. In eras past, African slavers raided coastal villages of Europe for slaves. So?
funboy7979 6 months ago
We can blame white people all we want, and ascribe to them satanic qualities good black people don't share. How then do we explain such incidents as the rape and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom?
funboy7979 6 months ago
If only "white" people are evil, how do we explain the mass murders perpetrated by Robert Mugabe?
funboy7979 6 months ago
It's funny how Whites or White apologists' deny, deny, deny. I tried to play devil's advocate and ask myself :"No, no one would do such a thing!!", but then American history tells me otherwise. What would stop White ppl from doing such a thing??? I came to the conclusion...NOTHING!! So that's why I believed it happened. This country's history of mutilations, castrations, brutality towards Black men, women and children...So yes, I'm sure it happened....
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
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funboy7979 6 months ago
Currently Barack Obama, a self-identified black man and commander-in-chief of the most powerful war machine in history, sends robot drones over Pakistan and Afghanistan to kill brown people. Hundreds of innocents have been killed and maimed including children. Atrocity is atrocity and is in our midst, we finance it. No need to concoct embellishments to history to find horror-- human beings are warring apes, no matter how you dress them up.
funboy7979 6 months ago
@funboy7979 You're right about Barack Obama sending robot drones over Pakistan and Afghanistan. You're right about everything (except "concoting" embellishment) you have said in this paragraph. However, Pres.Obama is regulating WHITE AFFAIRS! White people are the ones who benefit most (monetarily) from all the atrocities you just mentioned in this paragraph. Once again, we're talking about American history. Yes, the White man did this! Look at a book called "Without Sanctuary"...he's capable.
glorifiedgee 6 months ago
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funboy7979 6 months ago
another reason why this so-called white man is the devil
DrIzZeY1 6 months ago
I've lived in Florida all my life and I have to say this is a fact. They used to hook the black babies in the mouth just like a fish and tow them in boats until a gator bit them. Some times a smaller gator would bite, only ripping off the infant's legs prolonging the experience.
gibememoni 6 months ago
@gibememoni I've lived in Florida all my life and I have to say this is false. The burden of proof is on you. Let's see it.
MrMrMayonnaise 6 months ago
Oh yeah and Time magazine contradicts the story right. Well how many stories do you know are in magaInes that aren't true. Disney is proof of this
Redskinsfan12609 6 months ago
It's funny how someone stated that killing a black baby in the South will get you the death penalty. You can't honestly believe that so killing a black man would not. Also the theory of them paying black mothers $2 is false if they wanted the babies they did not have to pay them. It's not like they did not steal. You stole Africans freedom, indian's(or should I say native Americans u falsely called them that)land, Parts of Mexico were stolen
Redskinsfan12609 6 months ago
@Redskinsfan12609 Woman willingly renting out their babies to play in shallow water to lure alligators in 1923 with no casualties is far different from the claim in the video -- "slave babies were kidnapped, caged, drowned/eaten by alligators." The racist laws in most Southern states were against stealing slaves from slave owners, not against a slave owner killing a slave. The real atrocities were enough. Making shit up to sell dvds insults the memory of the millions who really suffered.
funboy7979 6 months ago
i believe this story 110% it is typical of whites who now feel embarrased by the actions of their so called "great" ancestors,it is very much inline with whites attitudes and views which are still prevalant today,now u whites want to say theres no proof so it didnt happen,I am sure there are thousands more things which werent documented because slave did not have a voice,does that mean it never happened,the white people are,with their sick racist attitudes i have no doubt about this happnening
okonla24 6 months ago
@okonla24 I can play this game too.
In the 1800s and early 1900s all white children that went missing (approximately 100,000) was a result of being kidnapped and eaten by blacks. Prove it didn't happen.
MrMrMayonnaise 6 months ago
@MrMrMayonnaise wat kind of stupid idiotic statement is that,has their been documented proof or even anyone else apart from ur stupid self making this claim,this claim is inline with white people previous actions and attitudes today,black people dont have any history regarding kidnapping white babies,this very attitude which u have trying to make a joke about this situation,this really happened,all the memorobillia just is an example of art imitating life,so go fuck urself u devil
okonla24 6 months ago
@okonla24 *Woosh*, right over your head. Can't say I'm surprised.
Lol, it really is ironic. I make a claim of some event happening merely as a means of making a point - you want documented proof. Some black prick in a video claims an event based on what he supposedly heard from one shop owner - well, that's plenty enough for you. It doesn't take much to satisfy your preconceived notions that white = guilty / evil. No evidence required.
MrMrMayonnaise 6 months ago
@okonla24 I do however have plenty of documented evidence of atrocities committed by blacks though I'm sure you're content in basking in your blissful ignorance and don't want to hear it.
Fuck you too, black devil.
MrMrMayonnaise 6 months ago
@carlousmagnus Repeat: cease and desist. Stalking, threatening, harassing is a criminal violation in all fifty US states and the EU. Now then, you have provided no proof for the outrageous claims made in this video, and have instead attacked anybody asking you for proof. Noted.
funboy7979 6 months ago 4
I love how people are sooooo very sure this never happened. Were you there? Whose to say it didn't??? Why the hell would they make so much memorabilia then, what sick person would think " Hey lets make up all this sick shit about alligators eating black babies, that's fun!" Some one "eloquently" explain that to me please......
allsoladarity 6 months ago
@allsoladarity Well, if it really happened, and it wasn't illegal just like all the other shit they did to slaves, why is there no record of it like there is of every other atrocity perpetrated upon slaves? Pretty thin story this guy is selling here -- "some guy in a store said he heard some guy say to another guy ..." Pretty thin.
aaaavedon 6 months ago 2