Beethoven 'Appassionata' Sonata Mvt 3 - Dimitris Sgouros

[soundzgreg]

Sgouros is still active and rock the crowd all over the world

[alejandrothefader]

the last part (coda) is amazing

ta teleutaia metra (konta) einai gamata XD

[JacobRudduck]

I love the way he shreds up the end of the coda. He makes the piece sound like it's tumbling down the stairs into oblivion :p

[UlfenDaddy]

@JacobRudduck Yes, it's a very interesting "take" on the approach, and the coda itself, isn't it? I really like the little dynamic thing, fading down to p at 5:17. I'd never considered such a radical diminuendo at that moment, quite beautiful!

[irynski]

@JacobRudduck Truly stunning, isn't it! I actually came across a German virtuoso - many, many years ago - whose interpretation was virtually identical. I can't remember the pianist's name (I'm old and addled). It influenced me so much that I ended up emulating him (well, my pedestrian attempt to emulate him, as I felt it to be exactly what Beethoven would have felt to have done justice to the integrity). Lovely! I haven't heard the tempest rolling to off into the distance like that since.

[koreeda090]

かなりたくさんの熱情を聞きましたがDimitris Sgouros が一番最高にいい。何度も聞いています。鳥肌がたちます｡

[AkaMouTinn]

So a serious beethoven expert KNOWS perfectly that this sonata is about furious pessimistic feelings. And SPEED is essential for this. So this is a HINT for you to start thinking what beethoven intended. There is no passion in this music and Sgouros made a big mistake to experiment at this slow speed.

[AkaMouTinn]

this movement was not meant to be played at this slow speed. Sgouros is a great pianist but his choice to performe this music at this slow speed totally destroyed the feeling. Check Richters performance to see what beethoven intended.

[CSPlayerDamon]

@AkaMouTinn Never say WHAT BEETHOVEN intended..God..

[AkaMouTinn]

@CSPlayerDamon it is possible to speculate what beethoven intended when you study his music very deep and accurately. Even in sheet music ALL the comments below the notes talk about what the maestro intended ...... So before you say a comment try to study more about HOW we come to a position to KNOW aproximately what a composer intended. And that is by studying every single note comparing it with each other working backwards to the composers mind. That is what all serious musicians do.

[CSPlayerDamon]

@AkaMouTinn In some pieces, the dynamics were written by the editors and not by Beethoven...And..still, never say what Beethoven intended..Otherwise, if Beethoven, Mozart, Liszt, Bach, Chopin and all those great composers would not have gone forward if they were "serious" musicians..All in all..this is a good interpretation..

[AkaMouTinn]

@CSPlayerDamon your answer says nothing more than your previous comment. Read again and try to find some reasonable argument to answer to mine. I dont count on it thought as you proved 100% ignorant of what i said :) cya

[CSPlayerDamon]

@AkaMouTinn (The dynamics probably aren't from Beethoven..?) And...the way you think you seperate musicians into mostly two types.Performers, who must do the exact thing the composers asked and composers, who are free to do anything they like. This way of thinking concludes into Sgouros not being able to play differently, but Beethoven or any other composer for the matter can do anything freely.What if I said to jazz the Appassionata? Would I not do what Beethoven wanted? No, but why is it wrong

[CSPlayerDamon]

@AkaMouTinn It's a different way of approaching the piece..And..forget about the dynamics thing..I'm not sure about that..Although I doubt that the editors didn't mess up with them...

[CSPlayerDamon]

@AkaMouTinn You know that you didn't show any valuable argument..right? But, anyway, that is your opinion and I respect it..I just don't comply with it.

[julito1452]

muy buenos toques y solos,grande la calides musical

[nickolaus11]

das jahrhundergenie !!

[gonzal0999]

friedrich gulda best appassionata

[B337h0v3n]

Παρα πολυ καλη εκτελεση με πολυ χρωμα!

Ειναι μεσα στις καλυτερες που εχω ακουσει!

[eythymios77]

@B337h0v3n Κοίτα δεξιά την εκτέλεση του Rubinstein.....το δεξί χέρι σε μερικά σημεία είναι αργό, χάνει λίγο σε ρυθμό..λίγο αλλά αρκετά για να το καταλάβει ένα μουσικό αυτί..φιλικά...

[alejandrothefader]

@eythymios77 NAI, alla mhn ksexname thn hlikia kai thn parwdikh tuflwsh tou rubinstein... an epaize etsi otan htan sxedwn tuflos tote fantasou pws epaize sta kalutera tou... h mousikothta tou rubinstein einai aparamillh gia mena... oute o sgouros den ton ftanei se concept tou ergou... h sfairikh apopsh kai h mousikothta tou rubinstein einai eksopragmatikh... o sgouros to paizei me polu metries dunamikes se krisima shmeia, o rubinstein parola ta lathi klp, exei thn "apoluth" ekfrastikothta ;)

[eythymios77]

@alejandrothefader Σωστή η παρατήρησή σας...όντως ο Rubinstein είναι μέσα στο top-3 των πιανιστών με απαράμιλλη εκφραστικότητα...πρέπει όμως να καταλάβουμε οτι ο Σγουρός έπαιζε με τις μεγαλύτερες ορχήστρες του κόσμου σε ηλικία 11, 12 ή 13-14 ετών!!!! Αυτός είναι ο ορισμός του ταλέντου. Φυσικά, δεν παραγνωρίζω το γεγονός οτι ένα παιδί, όσο ταλέντο και να είναι, δε μπορεί ενδεχομένως να αποδόσει εκφραστικά αυτό που μπορεί να αποδόσει ένας έμπειρος και τέλεια τεχνικά καταρτισμένος πιανίστας.....

[eythymios77]

@alejandrothefader ...όπως ο Rubinstein (ο οποίος έχει γράψει και πολύ δύσκολα κομμάτια για πιάνο). Για έναν συνομήλικο σχεδόν του Σγουρού, όπως εγώ, και ερασιτέχνη πιανίστα και μουσικό (έχοντας απειροελάχιστα λίγα χιλιοστά γνώσεων σε σχέση και με το Σγουρό και τον Rubinstein) ήταν πραγματικά ανατριχιαστικό να βλέπω ένα παιδί-ταλέντο να εκτελεί τόσο ωραία δύσκολα έργα με μεγάλες ορχήστρες παγκοσμίως, ενώ τα άλλα παιδιά της ηλικίας μας πηγαίναμε απλά σχολειο! .....

[eythymios77]

@alejandrothefader ...Τελειώνοντας, δεν τίθεται θέμα σύγκρισης των δύο, είναι φανερό οτι αντιπροσωπεύουν δύο διαφορετικές σχολές τεχνικής απόδοσης και εκφραστικότητας (με αρκετά κοινά σημεία) χωρίς αυτό να σημαίνει οτι κάποιος είναι καλύτερος ή χειρότερος. Για εναν μουσικόφιλο (όπως είμαστε όλοι μας πιστεύω) ειναι πραγματική ευλογία να ακούμε τόσο μεγάλους μουσικούς και η μουσική που παίζουν να μας εξυψώνει. Φιλικά....

[alejandrothefader]

@eythymios77 file mou, sumfonw ektos apo ekei pou eipes gia to sxoleio, den kserw ti hlikia eisai, alla egw kserw oti ta "paidia thamuata" kai idiaitera o sgouros trabane polla kai xanon polla ap th zwh tous... mia fusiologikh paidikh ilhkia einai "must" sth psuxologikh kai sugkinhsiakh poreia tou anthrwpou... o sgouros dn thn eixe, kai gi auto exei meinei ekei pou htan otan htan mikros isws kai pio katw...

[alejandrothefader]

@eythymios77 to "talento" einai mia uposuneidhth katanohsh enos antikeimenou, den paei na pei oti rpepei na skotoseis th paidikh sou hlikia kai ta efhbika sou xronia prin kan kala kala mporeseis na katalabeis ean auto ontos theleis gia poreia zwhs, uponomeuontas to einai sou sta xeria epitidiwn kai mias piestikhs manas opws o sgouros... ean eixe mia fusiologhkh poreia talantouxou paidiou kai apofasize o idios na diaprepsei, twra tha mporouse na ginei sugkrish me korufaious opws o rubinstein ;)

[alejandrothefader]

@eythymios77 alla, den anairw to talento tou kai th douleia poy ekane gia na ftasei ws ekei, antitithomai sth prohmh "ksepeta" analwsimwn paidiwn... auto pou eipes gia to sxoleio mou thimise kati, den prepei na anagkazetai kaneis na dialeksei panw se ti tha doulepsei kai me ti tha asxolhthei s pou na xei o idios mia orimh krish na katalbei ti kai giati to thelei.

sth telikh kai emeis sto sxoleio, anagkazomaste na dialeksoume polu noris mia kathodhgomenh poreia, apla oci toso noris oso o sgouros

[Ellinidara]

Pragmatika apisteytos,amazing.

[andawayshegoes]

i think its a-m-azing he can play without movieng! wish i could do that!! :P lol naw hes good

[ianislios]

Bravo!

[sissichopin91]

outstanding but i think that Valentina Lisitsa plays this better

[thetrojan01gr]

Τέλειο.

[koreeda090]

すごい

[koreeda090]

ﾌﾞｰﾆﾝの熱情よりうまいですね

[grigorserg2005]

super