Day[9] Daily #408 P2 - Grubby Never Gives Up in PvT!

[TRIX88X]

Never quit just hold out ... This game a perfect example

[killer2744]

why has husky not cast this game

[NickDBaker]

Sean, never apologize for alliteration. It's pretty potent, when paired with your particularly poignant perusals through possibly the best game ever. Period.

[BlueCasts]

What a fkn wicked game. Can we get a link to download the reply by anychance <3?

[ihgeipgahafe]

<3 Grubby, from your home country!

[crimsonlink310]

Late game has become so hard for Terran thanks to Ghost emp nerf. Where Protoss deathball was manageable thanks to Ghost emp radius before, now it is not reliable unless the units are standing still. I'm not saying the emp radius should go back to 2 but 1.7 or something above 1.5 would be good IMO. That or make storm last a shorter time or reduce it's radius.

[MyPolarbear69]

8:19 lightning -drools-

[walterd132]

demired a.l.

[1212ofomyzrc]

hahahah dur i hate you your a jerk storm is so imba ROFL!

[TheXeledus]

am i the only one who reads his lips, then waits to see if im right?

[blartheflarg]

that probe at 3:15 was so close

[Nitropanda16]

What in the fuck is this "and im a mormon" commercial shit

[MattisseWH]

This is a rare moment... Both the top comment and reply to the top comment are top comments. No more sifting through the comments!!

[Soulkattii]

21:26 that templar is a baller.

[slbaaron]

@ArmenSur Actually probably below 70 and around 60s which still means Protoss do have upper hand late game. But no where near easy as u think.

[slbaaron]

@ArmenSur Different match up is different. PvT yes Protoss do have upper hand late game. What I said was a reply to someone who said Protoss should automatically won all late games. Even in pro games and really late game, Protoss aren't winning more than 80% of games in those situation.

[phedden97]

16:48. Talk about a hero zealot fighting for his life.

[hegemoniaicztery]

I'm drunk more than ever

[livingdragonn]

Sean, do a daily with your brother! :D

[up97]

Y the fouk is the sound out of sink ?????

[Humance]

only me see the video not synchronized with audio?

[neofrankyboy1988]

i would like to see : more nydus worms, meer hallicinations and more nukes ! 

[ArmenSur]

dunno why but this game made me lose all respect for grubby and this MU :(

[PsychopoisonXproton]

day[9] you need a haircut XD

[omgwicked1]

its toss why youd he give up xdd

[Lunji]

i thought it was a changling as well... -_-

[SilentShotV]

Grubby is such a champ.In my eyes the only thing worse than dropships are cheese builds. Grubby wins my vote in this one.

[zhayi031]

this is why i hate terran dropships!!!



[redstreams]

spoiler: protoss wins

[TheKylefreeman]

What is that can of pedobear up on the shelf?

[IceMaverickCold]

@TheKylefreeman Its a soft drink that Day 9 had on one of his previous dailys. He liked the can so he kept it.

[Timmyvirus111]

Where were the cannons?

[Person62]

lol @ video start talking about lag but not being in sync with audio

[TIMMIAY]

Wow that is a crazy game

[MrCJudd]

combining medics with dropships in SC2 , so fkn OP

[AlcoEdu]

this is hard to masturbate as protoss

[HouseofHobo]

Did I just watch a daily on turtling?

[brippie]

@HouseofHobo Not really. On a good turtle you don't even try to expand or take an expansion only when you are very very safe. Grubby wanted to expand, but his third was killed/cancelled umpteen times.

So if Grubby was turtling it was totally forced by Sonkie.

And lol about obligatory balance whine in other comments.

[nintynomreader]

@EnkiduV3 Well Protoss has always been op imo.

[innerbeast415]

GRUBBY FIGHTING!

[PUR3BLO0D]

<3 Day9... Knowledge launch detected!

[LimosRock1]

I'm wonderful, sexy, and suave

[hapayboy]

Anyone else get an add about 2 cats playing Starwars that wasn't actually an ad at all?

[ItBeTurtle]

@hapayboy Whats adds? I have adblocker Plus :)

[AtheylStarcraft]

imagine if they got rid of the dropship and just brought back the medic

[MrKitty773]

@AtheylStarcraft that would be a change of pace but that would make Terran the only race that couldn't use drops. (correct me if i'm wrong)

[ErwinRommelsBattles]

@AtheylStarcraft They would get rid of Medivacs, add drop ships and medics. Terran would be too powerful early game because you can get medics very fast since they are barracks units.

[Cherrybloodsyrup]

@ErwinRommelsBattles Medics would cut into your Marauder production, since they would have to be built with the Tech Lab. You could also rename the 'Ghost Academy' to 'Academy' to put them higher up the tech tree. But Medics would make bio so much better no matter what you did to them.

[ErwinRommelsBattles]

@Cherrybloodsyrup It depends, sometimes in a TvZ or TvT you don't need Marauders early game, but yes you would need an academy, but you could still get medics much earlier and faster then Medivacs.

[Mrwar1992]

@AtheylStarcraft MMM will stay alive no big deal

[idleeidolon]

@AtheylStarcraft you mean, get rid of the medivac and bring back the dropship and the medic...

[EnkiduV3]

@idleeidolon I believe it was a dig on Terran saying that it would be more fair to drop the medivac and bring back the medic, taking away the drop play. Obviously this is a ridiculous idea.

[powerc9000]

@AtheylStarcraft Don't get rid of dropship get rid of the medic ability on it becasue how would terran do drops every other race would have that ability but them at that point

[CouLesKy]

@AtheylStarcraft yea that way Terran would have another overpowered tier 1-1.5 unit. Now they don't even need to get a Starport. Great plan! ^_^

I've thought about it too, but them getting it that much faster makes it even worse than it currently is I think. But hey, you never know!

[Shaeress]

@AtheylStarcraft Obviously blizzard wanted to add abilities to the tranporter units, to promote playing with them, since they're adding further, positive, gameplay mechanics. In BW there were "pure" transporters, that could do nothing but carry units, so teching that way was an idea ONLY when building your play around it. Now you can get transporters regardless. Terran can heal, 'toss can and zerg gets them anyway. It seems it worked, doesn't it?

[Syncopation24]

@AtheylStarcraft but... s1 had dropships >_> they just didn't heal, what sense does it make to talk about getting rid of the medvac but bringing back the medic without bringing back the original dropship?

[thesneaker247]

@AtheylStarcraft

People would hear ...

Terran UP!

medic too weak.

I no can drop no more

[twistard]

woah!!!! did u see at 8:30 the tripy dancing lightning from the storm?? get ur jiggle on!!!

[burningmonkey91]

Grubby knows that mass zealots is really hard to deal with as terran.  He know if he could get to right composition with upgrades, he could win.

[Capeau]

love day9 brainfarts

[TrashMinky]

Sean, I implore you to either shave or wax your upper arms.

[LordXilos]

@TrashMinky We should set up a charity box so that if we collect enough Sean would do it.. lol

[GraveRobberXL]

@TrashMinky why would he do that? why do you care? im not trying to be rude but seriously who cares?

[Rocko0]

@TrashMinky nooo lol! LEAVE DAY9 UPPER ARMS ALONE ! (chris crocker style)

[IgotsThisDubstep]

@TrashMinky Just asking how would you know this??

[poldiri]

@TrashMinky No, this is the real Sean.

[ArcaneWaif]

@TrashMinky Never! He's a nice little cub :3

[jerryfor2012]

@TrashMinky Men don't shave their arms.

[SuperMegaJew]

That almost made me cry to watch as a protoss player, those drops can be so fustrating :(

[theoffspring0001]

i love day9, but i feel like hes talking to a group of 5 year olds.

[JPern721]

i never know how to stop the storms once they get high templars in pvt

[SnipedaWhoOp]

@JPern721 One word answer: Ghosts. EMP and Snipe are your friends =)

Most of the time, protoss players don't have observers following their army around, so you can just waltz a cloaked ghost up and EMP those templars. If observers become a problem, just scan or incorporate a raven into your build to spot the observer, take it out from a distance with vikings, which you'll probably have already, then use those ghosts.

[USMBfrij]

@JPern721 ghosts with cloak and snipe/emp the fuck outta them.

[mitko1251]

I feel so good after watching this :) Thank you Sean!

[Rocklobster888888]

Ralph's is a strip club where I live.

[Tysoncampbell69]

8:14

thats awesome you can see a lightning bolt or something coming down when the storm hits

[avruler1]

how you counter late game roach broodlord



[PikerBrosef]

lmfao, protoss is over powered dumb fucks

[sheller125]

The best way to win as anyone its worker kills and harassing if u got 4 base vs someone's two-three base and u lose if army then u can win

[larrysupersport]

AND Nevermind there's week 2....lol

[PuGitGames]

Interesting game that. I'll not be so quick to gg from now on!

[penguinsonsteroids]

lmao infinity pronged attack

[zag8712]

Go watch LAGTV people. Day[9]'s videos are way too long...

[GreenlandicNerd]

@zag8712 There is a difference between entertainment videos and improvement videos.

[larrysupersport]

I know Day[9] NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER reads these comments. Where's the love? ANYway where is the AHGL week 2??? It's Friday.

[ArcticusWH]

@larrysupersport Check his canal. Zynga vs Epic games are there. And I think it's on Blip.tv too.

[TheOmniusX]

Owt of shync!

[ingo007]

Soooo Good, OMG soooo GOOD!!! Oh wait.... I forgot, Its Protoss -.-'!!!

[daadboy]

@ingo007 whats wrong with toss?

[PownagePlay]

@daadboy He think it's OP... And he probably plays Terran :/

[daadboy]

@PownagePlay Just pathetic i play all 3 races, if he says stuff like that it only shows he hasn't played other races, or only for a few times. All races are equal, you just gotta know what to do, which is different in every match. You cant just have one build and think you ll make it. Thats why its a RTS, if he can't even figure that out he should stop playing right away...

[the3bigreddevils]

@daadboy all 3 races are =??? for real??

[PownagePlay]

@daadboy I know, this was super well played by Grubby. Saying that being Protoss helped him win is just offensive to Grubby. With his hard work in increasing his skill level and training hard everyday of his life, he totally deserved that win how he played it out.

[eazymethod01]

@ingo007 Protoss have to work harder than Terran in PvT since day one of beta, sorry.

[duto009]

@eazymethod01 Lol

[DaltonDod]

I miss the amulet upgrade

[sztuu3]

You gonna be bold in couple years:)

[SigtunaStarcrafters]

i know why he dont give up cause every 1 knows toss can win everything!

[Car1ll]

@SigtunaStarcrafters due to the very nature of the game... anyone can win in any matchup.

[SirEdgar2nd]

@SigtunaStarcrafters he was the same in Warcraft III... :/ He'd look for any tiny possible advantage and abuse it.

[tjald84]

such a nice game from grubby

[raja1057]

Out of sync... i blame youtube loading somewhat

[Harm1Harm1Harm]

Out of sync.

[shisukii]

day[9] made me watch

[markyboyb32ify]

storms are op

[AproxVI]

Someone know sweet starcraft or some name:o?

[iiGUNN3R]

This is why SC2 > CoD community. 85% of the CoD community are the herpderp kind of guys/girls.

[chesssjakk]

@iiGUNN3R :( you shouldn't look down on people like that :(

[ThomasBruceClayton]

Thumbs up if you saw the title and thought you were about to get rickrolled by Day9

[dokuxs]

patience is the key and not lose control :) big leson

and manage exapa importan :)

tnx day 9

[exonerator]

grubby on live stream: =O

[LockheedC130]

7:45 - 7:55 Troll Marine

[nintynomreader]

Normally I would claim Protoss op but it was plain to see that Grubby made alot of conscious decisions that won him the game. Impressive stuff!

[EnkiduV3]

@nintynomreader I literally laughed out loud at the thought of someone claiming Protoss is OP in a PvT.

[the3bigreddevils]

@EnkiduV3 they talking about end game when they say op... and they are, blizzard is working on this atm

[Capeau]

@the3bigreddevils

Exactly and Grubby knows this, thats why he kept waiting patiently, knowing his army would be more powerfull

[EnkiduV3]

@the3bigreddevils If Blizzard is "fixing" the late game OP-ness of Protoss, I sure hope they fix the "OP-ness" of the Terran early game to balance it out.

Bottom line: Zerg and (especially) Terran should know that they need to beat the Protoss before it gets to the late game, and have the ability to do that. Sure, they are good late game, but the Protoss early game isn't as good as the other races. That's where the balance is. Kind of like Undead in Warcraft 3.

[PowerofJohras]

@EnkiduV3 Word! This is completely true. I've been thinking the same many times as Marauders stim up my ramp and I'm like, oh well, bad micro by me.. terran are a LIL OP! But I think that people complaining about protoss being OP with storm and Collosus is really bad manners. We're not OP, we're just good late game with all our strong but expensive units. Zerg and terran are cheap and mediocre.

[EnkiduV3]

@PowerofJohras I wouldn't go that far, because I feel bad manners isn't a good counter to bad manners :P

Gaming communities have devolved into forum whining instead of training to get better. It happens everywhere, from MMOs to fighting games.

Perfect balance is hard to attain, but I feel Blizzard did well enough with the ways that they balanced the 3 races. There are some things that I feel could be adjusted, but it's all subjective and my opinion may actually break the game's balance.

[the3bigreddevils]

@EnkiduV3 Whats so imba about terran early aggression??? It can all be held off.....

5base toss vs 5 base any race and the toss should always win..... Thats not balanced. Please don't comment on balance if you started playing the game 3 days ago.........................

[slbaaron]

@the3bigreddevils Not exactly. In terms of highest tech, zerg is strongest as is, and terran still have things left to explore. The thing about highest protoss tier is it always NEED back up units. A *pure* broodlord + corruptor + infestor is a legit scary composition, where as a pure HT + voidray + collosi is not. Granted zerg have hard time getting there, and terran do still win late games against toss. Not saying imba, but toss doesn't automatically win late games.

[ArmenSur]

@slbaaron actually PvT late game when toss max out with mothership-archons-HT and one vortex is a joke. Zerg needs 20 spines with their BL-Corruptor-Infestor army

[CakeySoupy]

@the3bigreddevils Assuming 5v5base PvT w/max supply with the CURRENT Korean metagame its pretty much GG for P. Why? Mass ghosts.

Also all early aggression can be held off if scouted. What peeps call imba may be how many options T have for early harass/aggression relative to other races that are not considered all ins. 2raxx rine bunker, reactor hellion, 1 reaper exp, triple reaper, cloaked banshee, proxies, stim/combat shield timings, concussive timing, vanilla MM timings, reactor hellion drops

[ArmenSur]

@CakeySoupy that is why in every late game korean terran progamers (in code S and code A) gets owned by protoss?....mass ghost or not. You are clearly an extremely biased toss player. Hope for the protoss to do some silly all in or the terran himself tries to cripple the toss early on to make mid-late game possible. If u watch how toss players lose its certainly not any late game! lol

[phedden97]

@ArmenSur I agree with you but as a toss I can say that getting to the late game against terran is unbelievably difficult.

[jerryfor2012]

@ArmenSur I've seen terrans hold their own against protoss late game. PvT is a battle of micro, also late mid game terrans who lose tend to stick to mmm with ghosts while the winning protoss tend to stretch their tech trees. Such as building air like the mothership, and there is one very underused unit in the game... the battlecruiser...

[CakeySoupy]

@ArmenSur latest(completed) GSL codeS race spread - T-19 Z-8 P-5, RO8 T-5 P-2 Z-1 finals TvZ. Though watching through them again I can agree IF P made it to 5v5base they had an advantage - though T has an advantage early/mid game.

For lategame play PvT that is not just MMM+ghost look up some games of Thorzain's mech ghosts which is probs where the new late-metagame will go.

I guess I don't have a problem when P has to use archon/col/HT+gateway to kill off tier1+ghosts+vikings T.

[ArmenSur]

@CakeySoupy It has been shown time and time again that mech is not viable and yet we have protoss players everywhere saying herp derp go mech against us it's so good. Even the terrans who occasionally do mech builds like Thorzain do not consider them viable in general. Terrans have the semi-viable bio-ball vs protoss in the late-game and are stuck with it. As time will show.....

[CakeySoupy]

@ArmenSur but yeah... I'm still under the belief that if a race is considered OP in the current metagame, its no problem. Restating - there's still so much left to explore in SC2 that the metagame is changing all the time - literally new tactics coming out every 2-3 months that makes one new race 'OP' for a short time before someone counters that tactic, and with HOTS coming out soon - it will probs go to shit anyway.

[CakeySoupy]

@the3bigreddevils I say the CURRENT Korean metagame specifically. I don't believe SC2 is imba, just many different ideas have not been explored yet and the metagame will change overtime. eg. a cool thing for a pro Z to do vs a mid game marine tank push is to sneak an Overlord behind and nydus when T have commited too far. Funnel half their banes/lings to the back and completely surround the push from the front/back and with mutas. Of course Z has to have a nydus to go and probs overlord speed

[Capeau]

@EnkiduV3

yeah, because its so obvious

[VideoSk8Rs34]

@EnkiduV3 i just started playing sc2 a couple days ago and even i found that funny.

[buldren0101]

@EnkiduV3 Well then, you should see the SC2 Forums. It's hilarious how much Terran QQ there is about Protoss xD

[MacEpic]

@EnkiduV3 haha obviously that person has never heard of emp

[FalkonX3000]

@EnkiduV3 Protos is not OP in a PvT. But High Templar is really strong. I'm pretty sure that most Terran rather have HT than Ghost in a PvT match up.

[EnkiduV3]

@FalkonX3000 I don't think they would. Instant half death of every enemy unit over an aoe attack? I'll take Ghosts.

[Wolferenful]

@EnkiduV3 Alot of Day9 fans are protoss players I can see.

[EnkiduV3]

@Wolferenful No, Sean just helps us become more intelligent. I'm actually a Zerg player most of the time, and I find talk of which race is OP a laughable conversation from the start. The game is balanced enough that the slight differences are almost non-existent at the highest levels of play.

If you feel that Protoss is OP, then you should probably find a Protoss training partner to better learn the match-up. Maybe this is just my fighting game background talking, but... player skill > choice

[ezgftt]

Match turned around at 14:50, that's all I got out of this vid, it's like ZvT except here it's T that can't finish the enemy and eventually one attack goes wrong

[Sniff4eg]

could someone tell me why ghosts cant snipe zealots?

[510YOLO]

@Sniff4eg they can

[Python162]

@Sniff4eg err...they can.

[funzjake]

@Sniff4eg they can >_>

[TheRealPoOlp]

@Sniff4eg Zealots aren't bio

[Ltb0b]

@TheRealPoOlp ? yes they are

[AzzaradinBT]

@TheRealPoOlp Uhh yea. Yea they are.

[Sniff4eg]

@TheRealPoOlp 06:41. they are...

[elleeott]

@Sniff4eg No, no they can definitely snipe zealots, they are bio

[XtraXtable]

such a bad liar. he probably had a date. nobody that calls himself a hardcore gamer would choose food over SC2! ;)

[FauvenToTV]

Nice to see PvT is balanced... Hope someday PvZ will be too, I think thats actually the only match up where it's impossible to come back for the zerg when you are behind. If someone saw a game where he saw a zerg who win when he is behind in supply and bases. :P I dont think I have already seen that at a pro lvl since the beta.

[suckieduckie]

@FauvenToTV well the thing is that you have to fck up pretty bad to get behind in bases as zerg, and even then in drones. I mean the toss probably did a crap ton of damage to get you behind, if he just took bases its bad scouting and reacting on your part idd say.

[FauvenToTV]

@suckieduckie Wasnt talking at all about myself, thats just a fact, every race can come back if they are behind in all match up, the only match up where you can't come back is ZvP. But obv you are a protoss player and you dont know other races.

[unglaublichRodario]

@FauvenToTV PvZ is the most favouring match up that there is. Claiming that it was *so* difficult for the favoured race to get back into the game in a situation where no race has an easy time sounds somewhat bias.

[suckieduckie]

@FauvenToTV obviously I am a zerg player myself, and I dont have trouble with toss. 4 gates are kinda easy nowadays, and as long as your ahead in expos, you can afford to lose one. Keep in mind that 3base vs 3base is behind for a zerg.

[Znuffle]

Haha dont storm your own templar :P Best tip ever

[Psch4ck]

Audio not in sync.

[firesoccer55]

saw a bit of lag :P

plz try fix

[ItBeTurtle]

@firesoccer55 He will always have some lag, He streams AND records audio and Video at the same time...

[TheAdrenacide]

Audio not in synch again :/

[WeItenspinner]

@TheAdrenacide

Your Audi is not in synch!

[TheAdrenacide]

@WeItenspinner Totally.

[KnightOfAmarCostume]

@TheAdrenacide yup



[kazuri3]

dont storm your own templars :((

[MrBurningburger]

Hahahahhaha 17:08 I see what you did there.

[davjacques01]

man that was a great game. well... 5:34 am, time for sleepz :/

[VanguardZen]

Grubby doesn't afraid of anything!

[NickBigsmoke]

how does one sleep while drunk