Goddamn Viper really is free after 1 knockdown! FZ played so well and then was destroyed basically for free... matchups like this should be evened out a little, imo.
Wow, ghoulisator is terrible. He's clearly a random scrub that decided to pick up SFIV. lol @ following up banishing flat with throw EVERYTIME. Sad, scrub, l2p.
i honestly think itabashi is not top level the man misses 50% of hes combos and stuff and he plays way to obvious of what hes gonna do but that my opinion....zangitan and aloha to me are the best giefs around no one even close
I play a successful Gief myself and I will attest to this. Itabashi has faster reactions and more experience, but Aloha for one has a much more intelligent and varying wake-up/crossover game which means his potential is far greater as a player. I have to say though, neither capitalize on interrupting unchained combos with LSPD as much as they can though which upsets me.
Oh no, not during blocking. I meant as a way of interrupting the opponent's own combo when they don't properly chain. I just see Itabashi and Aloha move back or simply block rather than punish things that seem like no-brainers as far as I still understand.
Zangief is just OP, if u play both characters and u will figure viper need to work 5 times harder to beat a same level zangief, nothing really worth to cheer about when a zangief won...
No you don't understand. At a high level where the layers of mindgames are very high, it is not a good idea to just ultra the moment you think you are in range to hit an ultra or 360 because the opponent can easily just get out at the last moment...instead you have wait for their reaction and act accordingly.
At the time of this upload, this Zangief was probably the best one in the world and I clearly see why. I haven't seen anything recent of him so there are probably better Giefs now.
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Dude I watched hundreds of Jap and asian tournaments, my team mate just went to Hong Kong to study top players, so please do not think you're better placed to judge this.
Maybe you've never played Z too ? cause in this match he had obvious occasions to pass the ultra.
By the way, "the moment you think you are in range" lol. Dude, you know it or not, you don't guess in match. Gamblers are beginners, pros don't try : they just do it.
Anyway, it's amazing what people can think today. ++
No you got it backwards. Doing the ultra or spd the moment you get into range is a mistake that beginners do, because they aren't thinking ahead that the opponent would obviously jump out in the last moment and so they don't risk it.
You can't watch the match afterwards and say Zangief had opportunities to land an ultra, because if he attempted it there, it would be a guess. How would hte Zangief know that the opponent would or wouldn't jump out? It's a prediction.
It's all part of the mindgame as to whether the opponen twill move away out of Zangief's range in the last moment. This is why some pro players just walk right up to Zangief and attack him, because they know that the Zangief player knows that the trying to spd/ultra in that situation is a risk. Of course it's also a risk to just stand in front of gief, that's where the mindgames start.
Just watch Kaqn vs. Shadow, it's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. You'll find many situations where the Giefplayer jumps and lands in front of Kaqn and does NOT try to throw/ultra because he assumes that Kaqn might be baiting him.
And LOL at standing light kick into 720 being what makes a good zangief. Anyone can do that, but it isn't exactly useful. In fact, it's very easy to avoid in this game (this isn't ST). Chaining grabs after green hands is also not useful.
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Man you don't seem to play Zangief as I suggested before.
Jump in the last moment ? you mean jump before 'cause once launched the ultra has the highest priority in the game (except for a few special moves like fei long has). So tyin' to jump when the ultra is already launched is meaningless.
Landing a 720° after a light kick is easy as hell with no pressure, try to do that in a real tournament dude, and then we'll talk again.
Chaining after GG is not useful ? omfg.You mean it's a BASIC attack?
This has nothing to do with playing Zangief himself, what I talked about is general common sense with any grappler in any fighting game with the exception of SF2 because of the way Gief's throws work there.
Your conclusions are very faulty because 1) you aren't taking into account that at high level play there is a lot of baiting, and standing there until the last moment before a throw will come out, is one basic example of it and 2) you don't seem to have watched Aloha's other matches
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Any grappler in any fighting game ? Quite amusing. Compare things comparable dude, don't speak of too general things, it looses it sense (why don't we speak about the weather then ?).
My conclusions are those of a true Z player, that just know by experience when & what can be done, what has to be done, and what has been done. I don't need to see other games from Aloha (your idol ?), 'cose there are just better Z players around. Like you instantly see the differences between a child and an adult
No, Aloha isn't my idol, I don't even like Zangief. However, this was considered (at the time) the best Zangief player, and he was in the top 20 world BP, beating the best players. But anyway, since you fail to grasp the basics of what I was saying, I'll just let you stay misinformed.
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Indeed you should stop saying bullshit like "having a cancer in final stage is not dangerous for your health".
I guessed from the beginning that you weren't a regular Z player, so this sounds odd to me to judge things like you do without practicing them.
Maybe you're right for his amount of BP, but we're commenting the video on this page man, not all his life. & what he showed was not "this good" as I read earlier that's the point. Maybe on another games does he show greater skill & game reading
Dude you don't have to be a zangief player to know what you're talking about, otherwise yhou could argue that the pro players that don't play Zangief, wouldn't know what to do against him.
Everything I said still stands - in the highest level of gameplay, you should not always (in fact, hardly ever) go for throws the moment you get into range because the opponent would easily get out int he final moments. You have to think a head.
I didn't say he didn't commit errors...errors are in all matches by all players. However, you were pointing "errors" that were unreasonable and I mentioned why. And the thing is, those same "errors" that you mention, are committed by practically all the top players, including Itabayashi.
@boicrazi93 Itabashi is not top player,is that a joke couse it is not funny.
obrad79 2 years ago
and lol at 2:25
andrewenson 2 years ago
damn FZ i feel ur pain
bvlil 2 years ago
Goddamn Viper really is free after 1 knockdown! FZ played so well and then was destroyed basically for free... matchups like this should be evened out a little, imo.
terbocheez 2 years ago
Aloha uses SPD + K instead of SPD + P to get closer to enemy on wakeup.
His choose game is really strong, his execution perfect.
rsacchi 2 years ago
C. Viper sounds like she's being raped when she's KO'd.
TrunkJunky 2 years ago 3
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That's why she's a mum now.
doraemonrox 1 year ago
viper pride!
st3v3n3ss 2 years ago
god damn thats a dope c viper
demetriorex 2 years ago 2
I could see FZ getting more and more impatient and bored as the fight went on.
loveandpeace1 2 years ago
He just got caught, that's all.
GoldSamuraiArmor 2 years ago
I agree that this match-up is pretty boring. FZ manages too make it a little more entertaining than the way I manage this match-up though.
Shindrah09 2 years ago
Wow, ghoulisator is terrible. He's clearly a random scrub that decided to pick up SFIV. lol @ following up banishing flat with throw EVERYTIME. Sad, scrub, l2p.
kyuketsukiii 2 years ago 3
See thats why Zangief is so good (overpowered) because his crossups are the best in the game.
Not only that but lariat means only a madman would dare attempt to crossup him.
Sucks C.viper lost, lets face it compared to Viper Gief is an incredibly straightforward character.
autumn999 2 years ago
aloha is the best sf4 gief player....and hes bp point aint that high cause he hasnt played so many matches like those like daigo and mago
therealfmb 2 years ago
what about itabashi?
Cajunx2001 2 years ago
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boicrazi93 2 years ago
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boicrazi93 2 years ago
i honestly think itabashi is not top level the man misses 50% of hes combos and stuff and he plays way to obvious of what hes gonna do but that my opinion....zangitan and aloha to me are the best giefs around no one even close
boicrazi93 2 years ago 2
I play a successful Gief myself and I will attest to this. Itabashi has faster reactions and more experience, but Aloha for one has a much more intelligent and varying wake-up/crossover game which means his potential is far greater as a player. I have to say though, neither capitalize on interrupting unchained combos with LSPD as much as they can though which upsets me.
arla61 2 years ago
Mashing SPD during people's blockstrings is generally a scrub tactic and at this level of play, it's generally accepted as being risky to do..
Emillll 2 years ago
Oh no, not during blocking. I meant as a way of interrupting the opponent's own combo when they don't properly chain. I just see Itabashi and Aloha move back or simply block rather than punish things that seem like no-brainers as far as I still understand.
arla61 2 years ago
@boicrazi93 I think aloha and itabashi are close but after seeing what he did against the US team I've got to give it to aloha.
bmagsalan 1 year ago
last round was beautiful
therealfmb 3 years ago
viper did her job in round 1 and 3 but she's in big trouble once he makes it in.
ashjudd 3 years ago
Zangief is just OP, if u play both characters and u will figure viper need to work 5 times harder to beat a same level zangief, nothing really worth to cheer about when a zangief won...
PaulT3s 3 years ago
Beautiful. Such play by zangief brought tears to my eyes. I want to be this good.
BadAssBlackOverlord 3 years ago
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You must be kidding ?
"this good" ? This Z. is such a newbee...
Can you tell me if he only knows how to place Z's ultra ? He just got ONE combo that he repeats forever.
Boring to watch, very low pressure when opponents gets up, almost NO 360°... And he just never chain a green glove with a grab afterwards. Pityfull.
Watch some good Z players like Itabashi or YellowS.
These guys are able to ultra after just a standing light kick. This is what is called a good Zangief level man.
ghoulisator 2 years ago
No you don't understand. At a high level where the layers of mindgames are very high, it is not a good idea to just ultra the moment you think you are in range to hit an ultra or 360 because the opponent can easily just get out at the last moment...instead you have wait for their reaction and act accordingly.
At the time of this upload, this Zangief was probably the best one in the world and I clearly see why. I haven't seen anything recent of him so there are probably better Giefs now.
Emillll 2 years ago
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Dude I watched hundreds of Jap and asian tournaments, my team mate just went to Hong Kong to study top players, so please do not think you're better placed to judge this.
Maybe you've never played Z too ? cause in this match he had obvious occasions to pass the ultra.
By the way, "the moment you think you are in range" lol. Dude, you know it or not, you don't guess in match. Gamblers are beginners, pros don't try : they just do it.
Anyway, it's amazing what people can think today. ++
ghoulisator 2 years ago
No you got it backwards. Doing the ultra or spd the moment you get into range is a mistake that beginners do, because they aren't thinking ahead that the opponent would obviously jump out in the last moment and so they don't risk it.
You can't watch the match afterwards and say Zangief had opportunities to land an ultra, because if he attempted it there, it would be a guess. How would hte Zangief know that the opponent would or wouldn't jump out? It's a prediction.
Emillll 2 years ago
It's all part of the mindgame as to whether the opponen twill move away out of Zangief's range in the last moment. This is why some pro players just walk right up to Zangief and attack him, because they know that the Zangief player knows that the trying to spd/ultra in that situation is a risk. Of course it's also a risk to just stand in front of gief, that's where the mindgames start.
Emillll 2 years ago
Just watch Kaqn vs. Shadow, it's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. You'll find many situations where the Giefplayer jumps and lands in front of Kaqn and does NOT try to throw/ultra because he assumes that Kaqn might be baiting him.
And LOL at standing light kick into 720 being what makes a good zangief. Anyone can do that, but it isn't exactly useful. In fact, it's very easy to avoid in this game (this isn't ST). Chaining grabs after green hands is also not useful.
Emillll 2 years ago
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Man you don't seem to play Zangief as I suggested before.
Jump in the last moment ? you mean jump before 'cause once launched the ultra has the highest priority in the game (except for a few special moves like fei long has). So tyin' to jump when the ultra is already launched is meaningless.
Landing a 720° after a light kick is easy as hell with no pressure, try to do that in a real tournament dude, and then we'll talk again.
Chaining after GG is not useful ? omfg.You mean it's a BASIC attack?
ghoulisator 2 years ago
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0'47 nonsense to not launch the ultra, even if countered. Look at their energy bars man...
"Who dares wins".
At 2'44 he even dashes forward (viper crouched) [...]
stay with your conclusions, pal. Or try to play Z at a high level, then come again.
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ghoulisator 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with playing Zangief himself, what I talked about is general common sense with any grappler in any fighting game with the exception of SF2 because of the way Gief's throws work there.
Your conclusions are very faulty because 1) you aren't taking into account that at high level play there is a lot of baiting, and standing there until the last moment before a throw will come out, is one basic example of it and 2) you don't seem to have watched Aloha's other matches
Emillll 2 years ago
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Any grappler in any fighting game ? Quite amusing. Compare things comparable dude, don't speak of too general things, it looses it sense (why don't we speak about the weather then ?).
My conclusions are those of a true Z player, that just know by experience when & what can be done, what has to be done, and what has been done. I don't need to see other games from Aloha (your idol ?), 'cose there are just better Z players around. Like you instantly see the differences between a child and an adult
ghoulisator 2 years ago
No, Aloha isn't my idol, I don't even like Zangief. However, this was considered (at the time) the best Zangief player, and he was in the top 20 world BP, beating the best players. But anyway, since you fail to grasp the basics of what I was saying, I'll just let you stay misinformed.
Emillll 2 years ago
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Indeed you should stop saying bullshit like "having a cancer in final stage is not dangerous for your health".
I guessed from the beginning that you weren't a regular Z player, so this sounds odd to me to judge things like you do without practicing them.
Maybe you're right for his amount of BP, but we're commenting the video on this page man, not all his life. & what he showed was not "this good" as I read earlier that's the point. Maybe on another games does he show greater skill & game reading
ghoulisator 2 years ago
Dude you don't have to be a zangief player to know what you're talking about, otherwise yhou could argue that the pro players that don't play Zangief, wouldn't know what to do against him.
Everything I said still stands - in the highest level of gameplay, you should not always (in fact, hardly ever) go for throws the moment you get into range because the opponent would easily get out int he final moments. You have to think a head.
Emillll 2 years ago
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You're improving, but still have a despicable way of presenting your observations.
You find yourself cool just because you post many fighting vids and hope that in some sort it legitimate what you think ?
Meta gaming is smart, I agree, and in fact did not say anything against its principles in general.
But you try to apply large concepts to this vid, but do not understant/admit that he has commited errors on this match. Willingly or not.
And you're metagaming analyse just don't fit HERE. ++
ghoulisator 2 years ago
I didn't say he didn't commit errors...errors are in all matches by all players. However, you were pointing "errors" that were unreasonable and I mentioned why. And the thing is, those same "errors" that you mention, are committed by practically all the top players, including Itabayashi.
Emillll 2 years ago
that was epic XD
ShiningNegro 3 years ago
That Zangief rocked
Eastsid3 3 years ago
very nice play. good enemy studying from first game.
messitup 3 years ago