I take my .40 caliber Hi Point JCP into the shower with me to guard against home invaders when I'm in the bathroom. No rust on the Zamak! Can't say the same form my Ruger P-97 and it's blued steel slide.
These are trash. I bought one tens years ago and it was a total waste of money. These guns will get you killed. C9's now run about $160-190. If you can't afford any more than that and you feel you need a gun now for defense of your home, PLEASE go to Walmart and buy a Mossberg Maverick pump action shotgun. No one makes a good pistol for under $200, but you can buy a hell of a decent shotgun for that price.
first off; you are a retard for bashing the gun itself and not the mags that through some basic research are the known culprits for the jamming issues. once the feed lips are widened a bit and the ramp is polished. out of about 800 rounds i think i have jammed 3 times and a few FtF. best ever " oh this gun is a piece of junk" then later on " its accurate and shoots nice" ; wtf ever......
@monkadelic13 First off, I did actually assign the majority of blame to the cheaply made magazines if you actually listened to what I said. Secondly, it IS a junk gun as far as being acceptable for a defensive pistol, but in the spirit of balance and honesty I think it's a great "toy" gun for plinking because it's easy-shooting. It's called giving both the pros and the cons.
@freepatriot1776 That's great. And as I've said, I think it would be a decent range gun. But I'm looking for more than that and I think a serious end-user should as well. Try running your C9 through a GunSite 250 or other intense course and let me know how it runs. I'd honestly be curious.
@floatingaxehead now that i dont think i would try not saying the c9 couldnt handle it but running it through a hardcore shooting course i probably wouldnt do. it is however a good gun for home defence.
watch?v=6TlXiK-g-HU&feature=related <---this guy competed with a Hi-Point C9 in a practical shooting course and placed 9 out 20 in his division so it seemed to run fine.
How likely is it that the gun will experience enough force to put a round in the chamber while also having the safety off?
It won't happen in a holster, only when you're holding the gun by the grip. Unless you're running around in a combat situation or trying to punch someone with the muzzle of your gun, I don't see that as being a likely enough occurrence to worry about with a civilian handgun?
Or, am I wrong? (There's a good chance of that, but I'm curious about how I'm wrong if I am.)
@MoriarFake2 No sir, you're not wrong at all. It's extremely unlikely. I was just pointing that out because I want a gun's action to lock up properly, and I exaggerated.
@floatingaxehead What do you mean by "lock up properly"? For just about all of the blow back pistols, this is an extremely unlikely but physically possible scenario, and the C9 is basically one of the pistols most vulnerable to it.
Wouldn't this be a gripe against all blowback pistols, not just the C9?
Do I ever actually need to worry about any of the cons you present in this video? I don't use Wolf for my carry loads, and I don't plan on punching people with the backside of my pistol.
@MoriarFake2 No, blowback pistols don't lock up at all. Though I will say all the quality blowback guns I've owned (Colt 1903, PPK, NAA Guardian) are heavier spring and made from steel. Much more difficult to press out of battery.
Worry about the cons I present? If it's a personal defense gun, in my opinion the answer is "yes". Poorly made magazines and followers, 50% failure on mag safety and slide lock, and a pot metal slide are nothing I could ever recommend.
I think you are correct about the ammo. I have a 40 cal HiPoint and when i use thecheaper ammo, it does jam after 4 rounds are fired. Like you said though, you get what you paid for. My only disagreement is that I feel it is a good home defense weapon. Opinions vary on the gun, reliability I feel is there for this weapon.
@SomewhatLiberal I believe you are exactly correct, and if you pay attention, that's exactly what I said. The magazines are the largest point of failure for any self-loading firearm, and the Hi Points have some of the worst, unfortunately.
Oh wolf? That stuff is SHIT! Failure to feed in most every auto gun I've heard of. I run CCI blazer 115gr FMJ. No issues at all...as reliable as a rock.
As for your locking it back...my carry M1911A1 racking it one handed either by your method or without shaking was just as easy with less waiving of the arms. Now consider that I am a left hander and the right hand bias doesn't bother me. I was taught to shoot with either hand. A skill all shooters should have.
@GrigoriZhukov The last class I attended (taught by Massad Ayoob) they made us shoot with our weak hand- and I actually shot better! LOL. But I've never had a problem with Wolf in any quality gun, and did a Glock vs. Wolf video just to reinforce that. You can fully cycle a 1911 with just inertia? I'd like to see that, honestly. For one-handed drills I use the rear sights on my belt.
@floatingaxehead Yep, then again the M1911A1 I was using was issued to me and iirc it wasn't a colt...pretty sure it was made by rand. Unrestored, suspect it had the original spring. =8^O Rattled enough it sounded like a bucket of bolts...dead reliable. I never did trust the M9 when it was issued with the changes they made it was MOSTLY safe by '99 (JMO)
I own a Hi-point C9 and it shoots FLAWLESSLY..well over 2000 rds and Counting. I also own other more expensive model pistols and I can tell you with certainty that the Hi Point C9 is an excellent personal defense weapon. I like them so much I bought two. People who claim this gun is no good don't know what they are talking about including the guy in this video. My suggestion is Buy one, use it then make a video. Its not a "service weapon" it is a personal defense weapon.
@89Ghostdog Even a personal defense weapon needs to be in a decent holster and be on one's person to be useful in that function. Ever seen a good holster for a Hi Point? But you're right, I must not not know what I'm talking about. I just get quoted by and keep company with guys like Kenn Blanchard (the black man with a gun) and Massad Ayoob by pure luck and chance. Companies offer me free product out of pity, not because of my podcast. How did I ever interview those gun company presidents? Hmm?
<----Hi point c9 owner 350 rds only 2 jams user error limped wrist-ed and did not seat the mag properly break in ammo Remington UMC 115gr fmj as well as Federal 115gr fmj carry ammo Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 147gr hollow points
@kingd3001 No offense, but when you put a few thousand rounds downrange each year, we'll talk more. Does it work? Yes. That doesn't mean it's not a P.O.S. 50% failure rate on slide lock and mag safety, and not a decent holster to be found anywhere. This is a range toy and nothing more. There's nothing wrong with that, either- it's just a matter of accepting it for what it is. BTW- my compliments on your channel. I'm not an airsoft fan, but I like your polite approach and lack of cussing.
@floatingaxehead hey to each his own whats works for you may not always work best for me but remember what Homer Simpson once said ""Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. BTW no offense taken i have shot my fair share of firearms in my life and have witness some crazy failures too and think about this too Mercy's Law is not biased about glock, hipoint, springfield , etc... any firearm can fail at one point or the other
@kingd3001 "Facts are meaningless"? LOL. I hope you realize you just quoted the stupid character who is always wrong... That's the kind of logic the Brady's use to justify their position...
While any gun can fail, it doesn't take a genius to see that hammer forged steel might be a little more durable than cast pot metal with a low melting point. Like I say, as a range toy it's fine- for a serious (read: defensive) pistol, you need something with a decent holster and better service record.
@floatingaxehead regardless of who said its true "fact are meaningless" without hard evidence to back them up and my c9 is not always going to my primary gun forever next purchase will be the Taurus Millennium Pro PT140 the point of a gun fight is have a gun in hand in the first place I believe a hi point in hand is better then a glock on lay away you are entitled to say what ever you want its a free country but the point is a hi point will put you in a grave just as fast as any gun will later
@kingd3001 It is NOT true that "facts are meaningless"! God, will you please think before posting? You say "hard evidence" and that is what facts are by definition! Geez! You are absolutely correct that a Hi Point in hand beats any gun on layaway- there we are in complete agreement. But please don't post anything representing an issue if the inane "facts are meaningless" is the best you have. Facts have built civilization, science, architecture, math... Facts are kinda important, actually.
@floatingaxehead thanks for the grammar check but the point is not everyone can afford a fancy handgun starting out you say buy a used Glock for $300 what if that person does have money right then and there still wants a handgun that why company's like hi point are around their the Cadillac of shit guns
@kingd3001 "the Cadillac of $#!t guns". ROFL! Well alright, then. If you're ever in AZ, gimme a shout. I'll take you out shooting if you school me on airsoft. Deal?
@kingd3001 Dont listen to this asshole! i took my C9 out of the box with walmart Federal ammo ($10 for 50 rounds) put 100 rounds thru it first time. by the end of the day I could hit a pop bottle at 25 yrds (with witnesses) and NO problems!
Here is my 2 cents on this subject who cares I know I do not if this guy thinks and says that hi point's are P.O.S's as long as the one you own works that should be good enough evidence for you in the end this guy opinion is like a trash can everyone has one and they stink that is the beauty of this country he can dislike what you and I love
Ok....Everyone should know the Hi-Points are blow-back design by now. There is nothing inherently dangerous about this design. The M3A1 Submachine gun (grease gun) used in WWII, Korea & Nam is also blow-back operation (& 45 ACP chambered). All of your popular .22 autos are blow-back operated as well.
Blow-back operated automatics are dependent on having a sufficiently powered cartridge to operate....a weak cartridge such as Wolf doesn't have enough power to cycle the mechanism.
Ok....Everyone should know the Hi-Points are blow-back design by now. There is nothing inherently dangerous about this design. The M3A1 Submachine gun (grease gun) used in WWII, Korea & Nam is also blow-back operation (& 45 ACP chambered). All of your popular .22 autos are blow-back operated as well.
Blow-back operated automatics are dependent on having a sufficiently powered cartridge to operate....a weak cartridge such as Wolf doesn't have enough power to cycle the mechanism.
@hotgunz Wolf doesn't have enough power...? Haha! Sir, it's all SAAMI spec ammunition- I assure you there's no difference in power. The same lot cycled through my Glock with nary an issue. Blowback design isn't the issue- look at all the old .32s like the Walther PPK or Colt 1903. Even modern stuff like the Seecamp or NAA Guardian line. But those are all actually steel and well-made, vs. cheaply cast pot metal. THAT is the difference.
@floatingaxehead Nope...Chrony the Wolf steel-cased loads, and you'll find they are underpowered. SAAMI sets maximum limits for pressure, not minimums. Pressure is a function of bullet weight & velocity.
@hotgunz Post some velocities, if you don't mind. I'd love to know if I could run Wolf in my Glock with an AAC can because it was subsonic and now I don't have to pay a premium for ammo labeled as such! LOL.
I think they're ugly, cheap pieces of junk. But for 150$ it's almost worth adding one to the collection. Maybe you should drag one behind your truck and see how it holds up.
I do own a Hi Point C9. It is a cheap gun. It is fun to shoot but I would not recommend using it as a CCW. It is very heavy and awkward to handle, especially for me, being a left handed shooter. The biggest turn-off is when using an IWB holster, the magazine release is triggered very easily. I have come very close to losing my magazine several times. Personally, I have not had a jam while firing, but I have used decent ammo. I thought your review was right on. Thanks for the video!
Cheap guns are for backwoods lunatics who have red and green fire tattoos on their wrists. I'm glad that floatingaxehead has enough decency to bash cheapo gun companies that put our safety in jeopardy.
I've owned a c9 for about three years now and the only time it ever jams is when I use the 10 rd magazine they make for it . Other than that its 100% reliable I keep beside my bed and trust my wife my son and my own lives with it.
I agree they are cheap. I've heard of them blowing apart. I would trust my life to even handle one while it is being fired. I'm sorry if that offends people but I would rather shoot a zip gun than one of those. I've never fired one and will never fire one, but when you hear reviews by those who have fired them, own them, and view videos of them exploding or jamming don't take a lot of brains to realize that the oven is hot don't touch.
I had a Hi point Comp 9 pistol and had zero jams from day one. The thing I didn't like and the reason I sold it was pain in the butt take down for cleaning.
The cocking with one hand like you demonstrated could be an option if a person only have one hand and needed to reload.
I love my Hi Point. Never, ever given me grief. Never jammed, ever. Use good ammo and you will not have any issues. I put the $500.00 I saved into a IRA and I am sitting pretty.
there is a very good reason that at any gun show, hi ponits are all the way in the front, not guarded or security wired, they just suck, cheap cheap cheap, it wont last more than a year, get ready to pay for shipping back and forth and all the aggravation, i rather spend the 100 bucks and get good ammo, I own almost 20 handguns, Glocks, sigs, Rugers, kimbers, Sw revolvers, colts and even the super expensive IMHO, HK's lots of money, no regrets, could easily buy hipoint,but refuse to waste money
wow. for being a professional gun dude, you think you would know that almost every gun manual in the world says: "NOT TO MIX DIFFERENT AMMUNITIONS IN THE SAME MAGAZINE." your a hater.
@crash1996 I am a hater specifically of bad ergonomics, unreliable magazines, and poor build quality. And I just went and reread through Glock, Sig, Ruger, Kimber, and an NAA manual after reading your post. Guess what? None of them say not to mix and match ammo in a magazine.
Why do Hi Point fans go straight to name-calling ("hater") or believe so much that isn't so? Little tip- if you want to be taken seriously, try using proper capitalization or learning the difference between your/you're.
@mandel395 Now that's just stupid. It's not the round in the chamber that jams- it's the follow up. And since the survival rate for handgun shootings is 85%, and 60% of home invasions have more than one intruder, it's the follow up capability that you're going to want.
Why do Hi Point owners take this video so personally?
" If this is all you can afford, you may find yourself spending the difference in cost for a nicer pistol in ammo anyway, as you search for a load that won't jam." Eric has such a way with words. The Hi-Point is a doctor gun! I say this with all accuracy, and honesty: A det. told me that at scenes of gang killings a lot of times this gun is found with coke powder on them, and sometimes jammed! This is so hilarious yet Hi-Point owners get very offended. I'd rather offend then to let you die.
2k rounds through my hi point 9 and hi point 45, I am in love with hi points. They aren't cheap, they are inexpensive. Well made!!!! I love the way you can rack the slide one handed, comes in handy if your ever in a fire fight and loose the use of one arm.... Man, your just drunk on the koolaid that if it doesn't cost a ton, then it can not be any good... Mine has never jammed at all....
@daywalker627 Your Kool-Aid statement couldn't be more untrue. It's obvious you've never actually listened to my show or bothered to read other comments here. I wouldn't recommend a Kimber or Para 1911 either, due to reliability concerns, and they're both expensive guns. Heck, a Sigma is only $300 and I think it's a perfectly serviceable gun. And I admitted that SHOOTING a Hi Point was a lot of fun. You suffer from selective hearing, sir.
@floatingaxehead No not selective hearing, I am talking about the hi point. This is the video that you show. I can not and will not comment on firearms that I have not shot, therefor, I will not comment on a Kimber, Para or Sigma. The Hi Point, I can comment on and have. Perhaps, just like any other firearm out there, if you have a problem, Hi Point would have taken care of the problem no questions asked. All firearm manufactures do this..
@daywalker627 Selective hearing meant you chose to ignore the positive things I said about the gun and simply get butt-hurt that I pointed out the negative aspects. And I don't care about a lifetime warranty- I want a gun I chose for defensive use to be reliable to the point that I never have to use the warranty. Do you really think telling an attacker "Just wait 'til my gun comes back from repair" is an acceptable solution?
What a narcissistic attitude to think you will not have warranty repair work on any firearm. It is a machine, it will eventually break or a part will wear out. Springs are a weak part of the system. Thats the way it is in the real world not in fantasy land...
@daywalker627 I'm a certified armorer- I'm well aware that springs get replaced at certain intervals of service. But that's maintenance, not warranty. Warranty work is done for defective workmanship.
I'm glad you're well-spoken and using words like narcissistic, but you're using the wrong words. I think you meant naive, since narcissism is directed at oneself, rather than an external object.
Ever run a Hi Point through a class like LFI or GunSite 250?
@floatingaxehead "Well I am not sure what being an armoror has to do with anything or running a hi point through a class does either. A class just teaches you drills and what to do if your firearm malfunctions which you do not need since you are able to find firearms that won't malfuntion. There are a lot of high end guns out there that have had parts failures and have put out lemons.
@daywalker627 Becoming an armorer taught me how the stuff works internally. Running through classes teaches you which guns fail, as well, since you tend to go through a lot of rounds. "Just teaches you drills" are words that sound like an excuse for not attending, but I may be mistaken since there's no tone of voice via text.
Yes, high end guns fail too. Specifically Kimber and Para. I'm not about the dollars spent, as you insist. I'm about the function. But pot metal doesn't cut it.
@floatingaxehead In your opinion it doesn't cut it. Hi Point is a fine firearm. Both Hi Points that I own, are flawless in every way. Never have they jammed nor have they ever let me down. I have put thousands of rounds both factory and handloads. Both jacketed bullets and casts.. I have shot Winchester, Federal and Blazer through them.
@daywalker627 I wouldn't say it's a "fine firearm", but it does work if the magazines are decent. Of course, the other thing we've never discussed is what the gun is used for. As a range toy, I love the thing. That heavy slide makes recoil a breeze! But its build quality/materials, physical profile, and lack of GOOD holsters rule it out for duty or concealed carry, which is my focus.
By the way, my compliments on your reloading videos, in case I forget later!
@floatingaxehead doesn't hurt to agree to disagree on the matter. I have shot mine to the point that I am confident that if it was the closest firearm to me and I needed it, it will not let me down. I do carry my Taurus PT1911 as my main CCW firearm and would not hesitate to carry the hi point. Thanks for the compliment, I am still trying to get better with my video's....
While I appreciate your opinion on this gun, I find your opinion very biased and it doesn't prove anything negative you said about the gun. I own this very gun, and what you did with the one-handed round chamber is pretty well a joke. It would take an extreme amount of pure LUCK to accidentally camber a round, and if you can't control your gun better than that, then you need to get rid of it. As far as the ammo, every gun has ammo it doesn't like. Even the almighty Glock will jam with wolf.
@xibowhunter Watch my Glock vs. Wolf video. A good gun functions. Period. And this was a balanced review- I gave the gun credit for shooting nicely, etc. But that doesn't change a magazine safety or slide stop that failed half the time, poorly designed controls, or cheap magazines and a bad follower design.
Find my opinion biased all you like- we handle our guns administratively way more than we shoot attackers, and this one failed in too many other ways.
All these people on youtube who bash Hi-Points saying that they are crap, that they blow up in your hand, they always jam....bla bla bla bla bla bla....
Where is the video proof? It's always; "well, my buddy has one and he says that it jams", or "i've read other reviews and they say that..."...
So what does your little video demonstration prove anyway? Nothing. What you demonstrated is just one of the idiosyncrasies of the gun. That is not indicative of a manufacturing defect in the gun.
@Hellsredeemer You can see it "blown up" quite easily in my follow up video. What concerns me is the WAY it failed. Because ANY gun will fail and have a blown chamber with a double charge of ammo- but the pot metal slide of the Hi Point gave out on the one I saw. We still aren't convinced it blew due to a double charge, either. Thing is, we just don't know. But we DO know zinc alloy isn't strong enough for a duty gun, nor are the magazines dependable enough to stake our lives on.
I agree with you, Hi-Point guns suck. I picked up a C9 after reading all of the good reviews, but this thing jams about every other round. I fed it Winchester, Magtech, and American Eagle and they all did the same. You can just forget about trying to put some hollow points through it, it's even worse! Thinking that it was the magazine that came with it I bought a few others and they all did the same thing! Just stay away, they're junk!
ShootingTimes gave the Hi-Point Rave reviews. They are a much more viable source of information than you. What kind of half assed gun reviewer uses nothing but JUNK ammo? An idiot trying to make a pistol malfunction! I have several Hi-Points, and have thousands of rounds through them with ZERO malfunctions! You never showed the gun jam, or even taped yourself shooting it for any period of time. You are a clueless idiot with a camera, not a qualified pistol evaluator. You really have no clue.
@kenny474 And you obviously didn't pay any attention to when I said the gun ran better with PMC (used more than just Wolf), haven't watched my Pt.2 to this video where I show the pictures, didn't listen to where I said the problem was mostly due to the bad magazine design, said the mag safety and slide lock fail half the time (not ammo related), or that a magazine NEVER prints a bad review because they can't risk offending advertisers. Good job thinking it through, Kenny.
@floatingaxehead PMC is JUNK, PERIOD. How about some Hornady, Federal, or another name brand of ammo? If the safety doesn't work, send it back under WARRANTY, then cry if it doesn't work. I had issues with my $200 LBC PPC Open Class when I first got it, and it's probably better than anything you have ever handled in your life. And Hi_Point DOESN'T advertise in Shooting Times, so who will they offend? I have read negative reviews from them, they call it how it is.
@floatingaxehead Again, you are nothing but an IDIOT with a camera who claims to know what he is talking about, contradicts himself every other word, and evaluates a pistol using junk ammo and acts like it's the guns fault you can't spend more than $5 on a box of ammo. And sorry for the typo, PMC IS JUNK! I have watched your video's, and I still feel your an idiot. I too am an armorer, along with a certified licensed FFL and gunsmith. I went to college to learn the inner workings of a firearm.
@kenny474 What's funny is you've said nothing technical to back up your assertions, have no videos of any of your firearms expertise, and have nothing but insults. If you want to converse like an adult, I'm more than willing. If all you're going to do is call names, then I'm lumping you in with the typical Hi Point trolls and your opinion doesn't matter anyway.
And let's be honest- people who only spend $120 on a C9 aren't likely to pony up for Golden Saber.
@floatingaxehead Maybe you should consider there are others out here far more knowledgeable than yourself before you publish your half assed ignorance. Big deal if your an armorer, which is says little other than you took a 3 day class on firearms. I am far more qualified than you, and have documentation to prove so. I am armorer for Glock, AR-15's, Sig, S&W, Springfield, and a few others. It says nothing other than I took a week long class to learn about specific weapons systems. Your clueless.
@kenny474 Clueless. Idiot. Again, all you have are insults. So here's an idea- how about you put up or shut up? If you're so awesome, let's see some videos. I'd like you to explain the differences between investment casting and hammer forging. I'd also like you to point out where I "contradicted" myself.
Quit your whining and do it better. Start acting like an adult before I simply block your trolling.
@mandel395 Mandel, I'm all for disagreeing but I don't tolerate rudeness.Beside, you called me an idiot but misspelled two words and used no punctuation- which just makes your posts comical and presents a really bad image of the "typical" Hi Point owner. Think before you type, man. And I know nothing at all, huh? Try looking up "ZAMAK-3", "zinc", and "pot metal" sometime. Then learn about casting vs. forging. Nice work getting yourself blocked, buddy.
@mandel395 What is wrong with you? Seriously even attempting to insult a former air force officer? Why cant you appreciate what he has done whether you think it's something that is worth HIS time or not you are not the one who took the time to make this video! Think about making a better video rather than complaining about someone else's work come on people i'm 16 I know better than this if a 16 year old knows better than to pull this crap shouldn't you?
@floatingaxehead Sorry, I meant $2000 Les Baer Custom PPC Open Class 1911, which had a feed issue when I received it, although it was more an issue of the ammo I use. It was fixed immediately, as they have excellent customer service. I didn't go on the Net and cry about it, as it was fixed for free. No need for bad press before trying to have it serviced. I could have done it, but I am a bit too busy with actual work and customers guns that I have little time for myself and personal projects.
@floatingaxehead Sorry, I meant $2000 Les Baer Custom PPC Open Class 1911, which had a feed issue when I received it, although it was more an issue of the ammo I use. It was fixed immediately, as they have excellent customer service. I didn't go on the Net and cry about it, as it was fixed for free. No need for bad press before trying to have it serviced. I could have done it, but I am a bit too busy with actual work and customers guns that I have little time for myself and personal projects.
The slide locking back is how Hi-Point designed their pistols to lock back on an empty magazine. You demonstrated that perfectly. I also liked the trick shooting with the one-handed cocking method. Try doing that with a Kimber. lol Plus, after the one-hand cocking, the C9 emptied the magazine with NO jams! Interesting...a pistol with a LRHO, can be cocked with one hand, and not jam even with your limp wrist...well worth $150!!
@wvnurse2007 The problem is the slide lock and magazine safety both failed half the time. And one magazine is hardly an example of reliable feeding, much like I've admitted my sample of one pistol shouldn't be representative of them all.
As a matter of fact, I can work my 1911 and Glock one-handed. Intentionally. Through practiced drills.
And that was far from a limp wrist, but thanks for being so classy as to keep your insults back-handed.
The limp wrist comment was directed to the most common cause of jamming in any blowback action pistol. You also stated that the cocking with one hand is the reason you didn't like the Hi-Point. Since you can do that with your 1911 and Glock, you don't like them either? Your words were bashing the gun, but the video showed the pistol doing exactly as designed. Now you are confusing.
@wvnurse2007 There's a BIG difference between one-hand drills on a pistol in a "manual of arms" fashion, and doing it in a manner like the Hi Point that requires you to have the muzzle pointed toward yourself. I assure you, it's not confusing at all if you think about it logically or take an actual training class.
@alexwheeler No, it was the follower in the cheap, crappy magazine. It functioned better with brass cased ammo, but still jammed, and I have the pictures in Pt.2 to show it.
you look like a monster. please dont kill me. ps,looking for cheap pistol for home defense. any suggestions? granted cheap is cheap, but a m16 is technically a cheap rifle, sports works fine
@TheKyla1981 And you leave nonsensical posts. A true M-16 goes for around $15K for a civilian buyer these days, so maybe you should qualify your question a little bit better if you think that's cheap. Proper punctuation and capitalization will go a long way to helping me understand what you're really asking. Do you want a long gun or pistol? What is the price point? Are we factoring cost of ammo?
I apologize for leaving opaque comments. Had I realized that this page was held to UCLA standards I would have been more concise. I realize now that my attempt at a layman's sense of humor was wasted on you. In any manner you did somewhat attempt to be nice and responded. OK, while you do have to pay a lot comparatively for an M-16 on the highly regulated civilian market, the people who designed the gun in the first place were the lowest bidders. Demand creates a high price.
@TheKyla1981 I'm still wondering what your price point is for a cheap pistol for home defense. Generally, I would say a Smith & Wesson Sigma (SW9VE) which can be had new for $299. A surplus SigSauer P6/225 goes for about $350, is a nicer gun, but reduces ammo capacity. Rugers can be had for a decent price, but it varies depending on the model.
Was the M-16 awarded because it was low bid, or are you just saying that? It's pricier than a Mini-14. I think it just passed the trials, personally.
had 'bout 4 jams on brand new C9 with the cheapest blazer rounds. using Federal and Remington since then have never had another jam in 300. i think it's a good choice for a first 9mm to experiment with and decide whether one wants to upgrade, which i plan to do after selling it.
i own this gun i fire full metal jacket 9mm rounds out of it never had it jam and i have fired over 1000 rounds through. yes it is a cheap gun and yes it has a heavy slide but i didn't have as many problems as you did with it. i think your just a little biased.
@lazyguy204 A little biased? Yes. See, you've overlooked the crappy magazines, ergonomics, and that I mentioned the slide lock and magazine safety both failed 50% of the time. That is unforgivable, and I have a bias against stuff that doesn't work well. It was more than just the jams- it's a poorly made firearm. Realistically, we handle our firearms administratively WAY more than we shoot- and the Hi Point design simply falls short for a serious carry choice.
It's interesting that you say that it is a jam-o-matic, and it shot flawlessly when you were displaying the blowback mechanism! But you summed it up, it is what it is. It is fun. Magazines cause them a lot of problems if they aren't broke in well, as well as the gun itself. Mine shot pretty much flawlessly after the break-in-period. I mainly use Blazer Brass rounds.
@luftwaffles1000 it's interesting to me that everybody wants to take ONE magazine and think that was representative of the time spent shooting. And you're the second person to mention magazine break-in... No offense, but I have NEVER heard of such a thing. None of my P-Mags, Wilson Combat 47Ds, Ruger, Butler Creek, or Glock factory mags "break-in". Magazines wear out with each spring cycle- not improve.
@FabioCrow07770 LOL! Growing up, I heard people say that to my Dad all the time! So I wondered if people thought I looked like Jake Busey... Never heard that about myself, and thanks for the laugh! Have a good one!
Sadly true. That's why I did my video on littering and we always take out extra trash bags for clean up. It's my time in the Boy Scouts at work- gotta leave it better than we found it!
I shot my friends high point and after 4 rounds the mag fell out of it. This was a new out of the box gun I handed it back to my buddy and pulled out my XD .45 and started putting rounds down range.If you want a defence gun save up to a good one if you can get $190 for the high point just hold off and get the $470 and buy a reliable gun.
I bought a Hi-Point .45 a few weeks ago - but have not yet shot it. Tried the trick you demoed in the video and could not get it to chamber one handed.
Now, I could feel the slide giving a hair when I really put some irish on it ... but not enough to make it go click. I'll have to try that again after I've put some rounds through it.
The .45 is sprung much heavier. Actually, we shot a JHP-45 as well (I thought I mentioned that) and I liked it quite a bit. The ergonomics still weren't great, but it was very smooth shooting!
Until the mag breaks in? Have you really thought about that?What is there to "break in"? If anything, a mag functions best when it is fresh and the spring has fewer compression cycles through it.
I literally cannot think of a single other firearm or magazine where somebody would say the magazine has to "break in". Think about it. If that were true, wouldn't that strike you as a red flag?
@floatingaxehead I've never shot a Hi-Point myself but I've heard other people say that. Besides, that's not really that crazy dude. I don't really know as much about guns as you do (just saying, not trying to be a sarcastic dick or anything) but it's probably not a super high quality mag and maybe some shit needs to loosen up or something. I don't know dude. Why don't you just try putting seven rounds in and see how it goes? Assuming you haven't already broken it.
good review and all but the issue here is like with most firearms cheap ammo will cause FTF FTE not to mention limp wristing and poor cleaning habits as well i have shot and know several people who own hi points c9 biggest complaint they have is poor ergonomics other then that they all sear by the gun being reliable also for good defense ammo check out corbon powerball 9mm
this is a good vid with alot of good info. i don't know why these people are knocking you for giving the facts about a less then great gun,but i for one enjoyed the review......the whole one-handed cocking thing looks cool and might even give some ideas for "fun" scenarios but if you think about it, it is a big time safety issue . thanks for the vid
im just sayin that if some one is in your house just shot em in the head and be done. this isnt the old west you are never going to have at the strike of noon gunfight with them in a building. and i use Hornady Critical Defense ammo 115 gr.
The head is a small, highly mobile target with fast twitch muscles in the neck. It's a very difficult target, which is why EVERY reputable trainer teaches to shoot center mass. That's also why your Critical Defense loads have the little rubber tip- to prevent clogging and help expansion when shooting through clothing- which is typically worn center mass.
Train more. Learn. Apply critical thinking skills. You're right, it's not at noon. It's at night, in your dark house, with an obscured target.
I own the hipoint 995 TS carbine, I have never had any jams. I only use brass cased ammo in it. I only run steel cased ammo through my AK-47's not my hand guns.Hipoint is like anything man made. There will be some defective ones in the bunch. If any hipoint owners have cosistant malfunctions with their Hipoint, send it back to the company. Thats what the lifetime warranty is for. Im sure they will be happy to adress your complaint. Fixing it would be good for the companys image.
Fixing it WOULD be good. The point is I never want to have to rely on the warranty service for a defensive pistol. That's a gun that gets a "range toy only" label hung on it. I want my defensive pistol to run so so well I never encounter the company's customer service desk.
ok well if someone is attacking you and you use this c-9 how many shots do you need id think one would do it for me. and for someone who shoots thousands of rounds each year id think you would have a good enough shot to get it done in one shot.? right?
One? One shot? Have you actually read any gunfight AARs?
You shoot until the fight is over. There is no "one shot stop" silliness in the real world, unless you've possibly dumped a 12 gauge round into the offender, and even that is no guarantee.
What kind of ammo do you use? What particular load, weight, bullet, powder, etc. will get you the best results? Have you put 200+ rounds of it through the gun as a function test? One shot could be fatal- for you, unless you think this through.
you keep compainin about it jammin every 3rd round but when you loaded it one handed it shot the whole clip. didnt it? and who the hell are you to knock hi point???
One magazine (not "clip") is hardly conclusive evidence. Who am I? Just a guy. Of course, I put thousands of rounds downrange each year, am an NRA certified instructor, Glock armorer, build my own ARs, AZ Dept Public Safety credentialed CCW instructor, and know James Yeager and Massad Ayoob personally. I think I might have an idea of what to look for in a dependable defense sidearm.
Listen to my podcast, I promise I'm not just full of bluster.
Because that's what the genius owner bought a case of 1000 of, before I could advise him otherwise. To be fair, we also ran brass ammo through it (PMC) and while it worked better, it still jammed way too often for defensive use/reliability.
The biggest problem was the inconsistency of the failures. They were all FTF, but some were nose up, some were nose down... If it were at least a consistent error so I knew what to fix I wouldn't think it was such junk.
No need to argue about HP quality. They can buy all the high points in the world for all I care. They should at least get them in sets of 2 so they will have one while the other is being repaired. Id rather have a crossman slingshot. airsoft glocks cost more than a High point.
I'll stick with my glocks, walthers , and 1911's (of most makes)
I have owned a C9 for 10 years but haven't put more than about 1,000 rounds through it. Anyone that says it is their most reliable weapon simply hasn't owned anything else. Mine doesn't jam frequently, but it does jam and all you have to do is remove the grips to see how crappy they are built. The trigger mechanism is all stamped, low quality steal. Great for a low cost gun, but lets not try to fool anyone...It's still junk as far as firearms are concerned.
Own one. Own many.....my most reliable weapon....jammed on the first clip. THATS IT....3000 rounds later.....it is the best gun out there. Best Nines reviews it in the top ALL 25 of all 9mm. Your another gun snob. I have four of them now. They are cheap enough to pepper all over the house. Your review is misleading and counter intuitive to everything posted all over the web.
@GrandAwakening right on dude...i got a c9 and it will kill just as well as any other 9mm...i'm gonna pick up a 40 cal carbine...these assholes are just a bore...floatingasshead loves this page because he can lift his nose at you...i like how hard the gun jammed when he shot it......what a fukktard...he's so pretty i don't know how he got the time to do this video between his manicures and going to abercrombie and fitch...
Alright, now you're just trolling. Again, thanks for displaying the kind of class Hi Point owners usually have.
"Rich families?" Ha! I'm an E-5, bud- just working for a living.
You really think my "trash talking" is keeping Hi Point from getting contracts, instead of their inferior quality?
When you refuse to listen to guys like UrbanKnight or myself, armorers, and trainers, there's no use debating with you. It's not snobbery to advise people to buy a better gun, like Ruger. See you, troll.
i own dozens of both hand guns and riffles as i am a military weapons specialist. i have a range from S&W to rug's and barretta also my hi-points and of all the guns from factory they need work. the jamming issue can be solved by light smoothing of the ramp that the shell slides in on. even my 1911 had this issue and it is one of the finest crafted hand guns of all time.
@ mustang2008s, i'm pretty sure you just made that whole speech up.I highly doubt you are a "Military Weapons Specialist" and you also spelled Beretta wrong. and not "All guns from factory need work" That's an ignorant statement. I can spot a BS're, and you reek of it.
well i am glad your the expert and if you ask any gunsmith they will tell you any gun needs modifications they are mass produced and little tweaks cam improve anything. but since my typing is not perfect i guess i dont know what i am talking about. but you know i dont really give a shit what you think 4 years of weapons training i think i got a grip on whats up. i would take my hi-point on the field with me any day of the week
4 Years of weapons training? I'm gunna have to see some proof of that, lolz I've been in the Army for 4 years, and i'm an armorer. (I could show you the certificate) I'm also a certified CCW, and am trained on more military and civilian weapon systems than you have fingers and toes. Please keep talking.
i just built an alter in worship of you urban...you are the coolest ccw certified guy i ever knew...when you fall off that pedestal let me know, i'll take down my shrine in honor of you.
u never owned one...everyone who has ever owned one has pride in the weapon...it's made in the u.s.a and its a good deal...people who never owned them hate them...it's just ignorance...but i guess ignorance is bliss huh?
"Another fact is Hi Point owners never debate on technical aspects"
Actually this is false. You claimed Hi Points are Jammo-matics ... you got a TON of Hi Point owners posting saying thats not been their experience. You then said Hi Points are dangerous because you can wildly jerk a round into the chamber. I pretty much destroyed that arguement by proving no one carries a pistol with an empty chamber. It's pretty much time to just admit you were wrong.
Ah, but you cut the latter part of my post where I point out how Hi Point owners take this as a personal affront to them (it's not, I just don't like the gun and they take it personally) and start with the name calling.
And I don't care if people claim to have all these rounds through the gun- they're still cheaply made, inconsistent, and unable to win agency contracts. What bubba thinks is a great gun ain't necessarily so.
floatingasshead... military contracts are a big business...maybe if you would'nt talk shit about an american company, hi-point could win people over, and keep making their product better...isn't that the american way? but colt and beretta arre monopolys...thats what you guys like...monopolys...it keeps your rich families at the top and the common man down...
If you were having problems with the magazine safety you can send it in for service. Not too many companies offer the no questions asked lifetime warranty. My c9 has never been fed aluminum casings so I cant comment on the jams but all brass I have fired was flawless. I love the c9 as a range gun because of the price. But the warranty is why I bought mine. And the jams are fixed easy enough with magazine lip tweeks and a ramp polish. Sorry you didnt like it.
Actually, lots of companies offer lifetime warranties. The point is, any gun worth carrying in a defensive role shouldn't have to rely on it's warranty as a selling point- because I should never have to use the warranty.
I remember people in 1974 defending their decision to purchase a Ford Pinto. Might have been a great car but would you want to drive your family around in a car that could explode if hit from behind.
There is no winning this arguement from either side. Love it or Hate it seems to be the legacy of the HP C9.
LOL wazzup floatingaxehead!!! Man this must be rough lol....I see that you debate everyday about this video through activity update LOL!!! I dont know ppl should just calm a bit I mean any good gun can be a P.O.S.....1 day it will jam rather its glock,beretta,springfield...no gun is flawless lol....peace man
At the end I heard you say you were going to get one. 600 rounds through my C9 with about 10 jams so far. Try the cheap Federal ammo from Wal-Mart. $9.97 a box and it might just change your opinion about the jams this gun has. I haven't had a jam now in about 5 boxes. As for your friend, any safety malfunctions could easily be fixed with Hi-Points lifetime warranty. More then likely they will throw in an extra mag for his troubles. Good shooting everyone, and be safe.
As I've said before- that's still too high a failure rate for defensive gun. And I want my gun to run to the point that I don't need warranty work- because a goblin won't wait for you to get your pistol back from the manufacturer.
I'll still likely pick one up, but only as a play toy and to torture test like I have my Glock, for all those who say it's "just as good as".
lol, dude, you're STILL trolling the hi points in comments? You have like 100 owners telling you here it's not a problem and certainly not the 3 to 1 jam ratio you claim. This is like when all those 1911 people would say Glocks were unsafe due to lack of safeties or what not even though Glock owners said they never had such a problem. You claim in the video still that you disliked hi points before you ever fired one ... ie- you seem to be biased.
Yeah, I was biased. And I still think they're junk. But nobody ever gives credit to the positive things I say about it's accuracy, and how shooting was enjoyable. Or that I said I would likely get one as a range toy. I would say that shows the gun changed my mind and was less crappy than I expected.
But no. Hi Point owners just get mad about the negative things I said. If you watch this impartially, it's more fair than people realize.
Actually, a .223 round or birdshot have less overpenetration through adjoining walls and may be considered far safer in a home defense situation. A 9mm or .45 round penetrate further when fired from just a pistol- to say nothing of accelerating their velocity through a longer barrel of a carbine. I'm just not a pistol caliber carbine fan...
I take my .40 caliber Hi Point JCP into the shower with me to guard against home invaders when I'm in the bathroom. No rust on the Zamak! Can't say the same form my Ruger P-97 and it's blued steel slide.
AR15fan 2 weeks ago
These are trash. I bought one tens years ago and it was a total waste of money. These guns will get you killed. C9's now run about $160-190. If you can't afford any more than that and you feel you need a gun now for defense of your home, PLEASE go to Walmart and buy a Mossberg Maverick pump action shotgun. No one makes a good pistol for under $200, but you can buy a hell of a decent shotgun for that price.
thenastiestnate 1 month ago
at 3:15 you went through an entire mag one handed with no jams. Were you using PMC?
rockstarr469 2 months ago
You were great in Back to the Future 1-3 dude.
098firechicken 2 months ago
first off; you are a retard for bashing the gun itself and not the mags that through some basic research are the known culprits for the jamming issues. once the feed lips are widened a bit and the ramp is polished. out of about 800 rounds i think i have jammed 3 times and a few FtF. best ever " oh this gun is a piece of junk" then later on " its accurate and shoots nice" ; wtf ever......
monkadelic13 4 months ago
@monkadelic13 First off, I did actually assign the majority of blame to the cheaply made magazines if you actually listened to what I said. Secondly, it IS a junk gun as far as being acceptable for a defensive pistol, but in the spirit of balance and honesty I think it's a great "toy" gun for plinking because it's easy-shooting. It's called giving both the pros and the cons.
floatingaxehead 4 months ago
my c9 has never jammed and i shoot it every weekend and have done so for years
freepatriot1776 1 year ago
@freepatriot1776 That's great. And as I've said, I think it would be a decent range gun. But I'm looking for more than that and I think a serious end-user should as well. Try running your C9 through a GunSite 250 or other intense course and let me know how it runs. I'd honestly be curious.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead now that i dont think i would try not saying the c9 couldnt handle it but running it through a hardcore shooting course i probably wouldnt do. it is however a good gun for home defence.
freepatriot1776 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead I don't know if you've seen this
watch?v=6TlXiK-g-HU&feature=related <---this guy competed with a Hi-Point C9 in a practical shooting course and placed 9 out 20 in his division so it seemed to run fine.
RedLion502 2 days ago
How likely is it that the gun will experience enough force to put a round in the chamber while also having the safety off?
It won't happen in a holster, only when you're holding the gun by the grip. Unless you're running around in a combat situation or trying to punch someone with the muzzle of your gun, I don't see that as being a likely enough occurrence to worry about with a civilian handgun?
Or, am I wrong? (There's a good chance of that, but I'm curious about how I'm wrong if I am.)
MoriarFake2 1 year ago
@MoriarFake2 No sir, you're not wrong at all. It's extremely unlikely. I was just pointing that out because I want a gun's action to lock up properly, and I exaggerated.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead What do you mean by "lock up properly"? For just about all of the blow back pistols, this is an extremely unlikely but physically possible scenario, and the C9 is basically one of the pistols most vulnerable to it.
Wouldn't this be a gripe against all blowback pistols, not just the C9?
Do I ever actually need to worry about any of the cons you present in this video? I don't use Wolf for my carry loads, and I don't plan on punching people with the backside of my pistol.
MoriarFake2 1 year ago
@MoriarFake2 No, blowback pistols don't lock up at all. Though I will say all the quality blowback guns I've owned (Colt 1903, PPK, NAA Guardian) are heavier spring and made from steel. Much more difficult to press out of battery.
Worry about the cons I present? If it's a personal defense gun, in my opinion the answer is "yes". Poorly made magazines and followers, 50% failure on mag safety and slide lock, and a pot metal slide are nothing I could ever recommend.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
I think you are correct about the ammo. I have a 40 cal HiPoint and when i use thecheaper ammo, it does jam after 4 rounds are fired. Like you said though, you get what you paid for. My only disagreement is that I feel it is a good home defense weapon. Opinions vary on the gun, reliability I feel is there for this weapon.
rprug 1 year ago
I believe most of the problems are with the magazines.
SomewhatLiberal 1 year ago
@SomewhatLiberal I believe you are exactly correct, and if you pay attention, that's exactly what I said. The magazines are the largest point of failure for any self-loading firearm, and the Hi Points have some of the worst, unfortunately.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
Oh wolf? That stuff is SHIT! Failure to feed in most every auto gun I've heard of. I run CCI blazer 115gr FMJ. No issues at all...as reliable as a rock.
As for your locking it back...my carry M1911A1 racking it one handed either by your method or without shaking was just as easy with less waiving of the arms. Now consider that I am a left hander and the right hand bias doesn't bother me. I was taught to shoot with either hand. A skill all shooters should have.
GrigoriZhukov 1 year ago
@GrigoriZhukov The last class I attended (taught by Massad Ayoob) they made us shoot with our weak hand- and I actually shot better! LOL. But I've never had a problem with Wolf in any quality gun, and did a Glock vs. Wolf video just to reinforce that. You can fully cycle a 1911 with just inertia? I'd like to see that, honestly. For one-handed drills I use the rear sights on my belt.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Yep, then again the M1911A1 I was using was issued to me and iirc it wasn't a colt...pretty sure it was made by rand. Unrestored, suspect it had the original spring. =8^O Rattled enough it sounded like a bucket of bolts...dead reliable. I never did trust the M9 when it was issued with the changes they made it was MOSTLY safe by '99 (JMO)
GrigoriZhukov 1 year ago
I own a Hi-point C9 and it shoots FLAWLESSLY..well over 2000 rds and Counting. I also own other more expensive model pistols and I can tell you with certainty that the Hi Point C9 is an excellent personal defense weapon. I like them so much I bought two. People who claim this gun is no good don't know what they are talking about including the guy in this video. My suggestion is Buy one, use it then make a video. Its not a "service weapon" it is a personal defense weapon.
89Ghostdog 1 year ago
@89Ghostdog Even a personal defense weapon needs to be in a decent holster and be on one's person to be useful in that function. Ever seen a good holster for a Hi Point? But you're right, I must not not know what I'm talking about. I just get quoted by and keep company with guys like Kenn Blanchard (the black man with a gun) and Massad Ayoob by pure luck and chance. Companies offer me free product out of pity, not because of my podcast. How did I ever interview those gun company presidents? Hmm?
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
<----Hi point c9 owner 350 rds only 2 jams user error limped wrist-ed and did not seat the mag properly break in ammo Remington UMC 115gr fmj as well as Federal 115gr fmj carry ammo Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 147gr hollow points
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 No offense, but when you put a few thousand rounds downrange each year, we'll talk more. Does it work? Yes. That doesn't mean it's not a P.O.S. 50% failure rate on slide lock and mag safety, and not a decent holster to be found anywhere. This is a range toy and nothing more. There's nothing wrong with that, either- it's just a matter of accepting it for what it is. BTW- my compliments on your channel. I'm not an airsoft fan, but I like your polite approach and lack of cussing.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead hey to each his own whats works for you may not always work best for me but remember what Homer Simpson once said ""Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. BTW no offense taken i have shot my fair share of firearms in my life and have witness some crazy failures too and think about this too Mercy's Law is not biased about glock, hipoint, springfield , etc... any firearm can fail at one point or the other
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 "Facts are meaningless"? LOL. I hope you realize you just quoted the stupid character who is always wrong... That's the kind of logic the Brady's use to justify their position...
While any gun can fail, it doesn't take a genius to see that hammer forged steel might be a little more durable than cast pot metal with a low melting point. Like I say, as a range toy it's fine- for a serious (read: defensive) pistol, you need something with a decent holster and better service record.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead regardless of who said its true "fact are meaningless" without hard evidence to back them up and my c9 is not always going to my primary gun forever next purchase will be the Taurus Millennium Pro PT140 the point of a gun fight is have a gun in hand in the first place I believe a hi point in hand is better then a glock on lay away you are entitled to say what ever you want its a free country but the point is a hi point will put you in a grave just as fast as any gun will later
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 It is NOT true that "facts are meaningless"! God, will you please think before posting? You say "hard evidence" and that is what facts are by definition! Geez! You are absolutely correct that a Hi Point in hand beats any gun on layaway- there we are in complete agreement. But please don't post anything representing an issue if the inane "facts are meaningless" is the best you have. Facts have built civilization, science, architecture, math... Facts are kinda important, actually.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead thanks for the grammar check but the point is not everyone can afford a fancy handgun starting out you say buy a used Glock for $300 what if that person does have money right then and there still wants a handgun that why company's like hi point are around their the Cadillac of shit guns
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 "the Cadillac of $#!t guns". ROFL! Well alright, then. If you're ever in AZ, gimme a shout. I'll take you out shooting if you school me on airsoft. Deal?
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead will do
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 Dont listen to this asshole! i took my C9 out of the box with walmart Federal ammo ($10 for 50 rounds) put 100 rounds thru it first time. by the end of the day I could hit a pop bottle at 25 yrds (with witnesses) and NO problems!
swineheart1 1 year ago
Here is my 2 cents on this subject who cares I know I do not if this guy thinks and says that hi point's are P.O.S's as long as the one you own works that should be good enough evidence for you in the end this guy opinion is like a trash can everyone has one and they stink that is the beauty of this country he can dislike what you and I love
kingd3001 1 year ago
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Ok....Everyone should know the Hi-Points are blow-back design by now. There is nothing inherently dangerous about this design. The M3A1 Submachine gun (grease gun) used in WWII, Korea & Nam is also blow-back operation (& 45 ACP chambered). All of your popular .22 autos are blow-back operated as well.
Blow-back operated automatics are dependent on having a sufficiently powered cartridge to operate....a weak cartridge such as Wolf doesn't have enough power to cycle the mechanism.
hotgunz 1 year ago
Ok....Everyone should know the Hi-Points are blow-back design by now. There is nothing inherently dangerous about this design. The M3A1 Submachine gun (grease gun) used in WWII, Korea & Nam is also blow-back operation (& 45 ACP chambered). All of your popular .22 autos are blow-back operated as well.
Blow-back operated automatics are dependent on having a sufficiently powered cartridge to operate....a weak cartridge such as Wolf doesn't have enough power to cycle the mechanism.
hotgunz 1 year ago
@hotgunz Wolf doesn't have enough power...? Haha! Sir, it's all SAAMI spec ammunition- I assure you there's no difference in power. The same lot cycled through my Glock with nary an issue. Blowback design isn't the issue- look at all the old .32s like the Walther PPK or Colt 1903. Even modern stuff like the Seecamp or NAA Guardian line. But those are all actually steel and well-made, vs. cheaply cast pot metal. THAT is the difference.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Nope...Chrony the Wolf steel-cased loads, and you'll find they are underpowered. SAAMI sets maximum limits for pressure, not minimums. Pressure is a function of bullet weight & velocity.
hotgunz 1 year ago
@hotgunz Post some velocities, if you don't mind. I'd love to know if I could run Wolf in my Glock with an AAC can because it was subsonic and now I don't have to pay a premium for ammo labeled as such! LOL.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
I think they're ugly, cheap pieces of junk. But for 150$ it's almost worth adding one to the collection. Maybe you should drag one behind your truck and see how it holds up.
BHarris25 1 year ago
Great video man! Very informative, I think I will stick with my Ruger though.
Scorpiuszeroone 1 year ago
I do own a Hi Point C9. It is a cheap gun. It is fun to shoot but I would not recommend using it as a CCW. It is very heavy and awkward to handle, especially for me, being a left handed shooter. The biggest turn-off is when using an IWB holster, the magazine release is triggered very easily. I have come very close to losing my magazine several times. Personally, I have not had a jam while firing, but I have used decent ammo. I thought your review was right on. Thanks for the video!
johnnylingo85 1 year ago
i want to see you do a video on the taurus pt111 millenium pro 9mm.
GunNut12680 1 year ago
I agree with you 100 percent !
SuperBmx54 1 year ago
Cheap guns are for backwoods lunatics who have red and green fire tattoos on their wrists. I'm glad that floatingaxehead has enough decency to bash cheapo gun companies that put our safety in jeopardy.
LoversFashion 1 year ago
I've owned a c9 for about three years now and the only time it ever jams is when I use the 10 rd magazine they make for it . Other than that its 100% reliable I keep beside my bed and trust my wife my son and my own lives with it.
dereks20lea 1 year ago
I agree they are cheap. I've heard of them blowing apart. I would trust my life to even handle one while it is being fired. I'm sorry if that offends people but I would rather shoot a zip gun than one of those. I've never fired one and will never fire one, but when you hear reviews by those who have fired them, own them, and view videos of them exploding or jamming don't take a lot of brains to realize that the oven is hot don't touch.
MrCntrybyWlkr 1 year ago
hi points BLOW! just wait a little longer and get a GLOCK. OR WAIT EVEN LONGER AND GET A 1911.
but i guess its better than nothing. lol
theARMORYchannel 1 year ago
I had a Hi point Comp 9 pistol and had zero jams from day one. The thing I didn't like and the reason I sold it was pain in the butt take down for cleaning.
The cocking with one hand like you demonstrated could be an option if a person only have one hand and needed to reload.
politicalsheepdog 1 year ago
I love my Hi Point. Never, ever given me grief. Never jammed, ever. Use good ammo and you will not have any issues. I put the $500.00 I saved into a IRA and I am sitting pretty.
bigphreaking 1 year ago
there is a very good reason that at any gun show, hi ponits are all the way in the front, not guarded or security wired, they just suck, cheap cheap cheap, it wont last more than a year, get ready to pay for shipping back and forth and all the aggravation, i rather spend the 100 bucks and get good ammo, I own almost 20 handguns, Glocks, sigs, Rugers, kimbers, Sw revolvers, colts and even the super expensive IMHO, HK's lots of money, no regrets, could easily buy hipoint,but refuse to waste money
JackSureshot 1 year ago
@JackSureshot FUCK U YOU PIECE OF SHIT BASHER
mandel395 1 year ago
@mandel395 If that's the most intelligent thing you have to say, I'll thank you to not comment anymore.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
Hi-Point says don't use wolf ammo.
doubledown109 1 year ago
wow. for being a professional gun dude, you think you would know that almost every gun manual in the world says: "NOT TO MIX DIFFERENT AMMUNITIONS IN THE SAME MAGAZINE." your a hater.
crash1996 1 year ago
@crash1996 I am a hater specifically of bad ergonomics, unreliable magazines, and poor build quality. And I just went and reread through Glock, Sig, Ruger, Kimber, and an NAA manual after reading your post. Guess what? None of them say not to mix and match ammo in a magazine.
Why do Hi Point fans go straight to name-calling ("hater") or believe so much that isn't so? Little tip- if you want to be taken seriously, try using proper capitalization or learning the difference between your/you're.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
Stand in front of my c9 and let me load a round and see if it jams .
mandel395 1 year ago
@mandel395 Now that's just stupid. It's not the round in the chamber that jams- it's the follow up. And since the survival rate for handgun shootings is 85%, and 60% of home invasions have more than one intruder, it's the follow up capability that you're going to want.
Why do Hi Point owners take this video so personally?
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Damn, fucking ownage.
MegaGewehr 1 year ago
wow thanks for the review. i was about to buy a hi point 9mm but instead found a kel tec and glad i got that instead
cordertl 1 year ago
" If this is all you can afford, you may find yourself spending the difference in cost for a nicer pistol in ammo anyway, as you search for a load that won't jam." Eric has such a way with words. The Hi-Point is a doctor gun! I say this with all accuracy, and honesty: A det. told me that at scenes of gang killings a lot of times this gun is found with coke powder on them, and sometimes jammed! This is so hilarious yet Hi-Point owners get very offended. I'd rather offend then to let you die.
AfroSchmuck 1 year ago
2k rounds through my hi point 9 and hi point 45, I am in love with hi points. They aren't cheap, they are inexpensive. Well made!!!! I love the way you can rack the slide one handed, comes in handy if your ever in a fire fight and loose the use of one arm.... Man, your just drunk on the koolaid that if it doesn't cost a ton, then it can not be any good... Mine has never jammed at all....
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 Your Kool-Aid statement couldn't be more untrue. It's obvious you've never actually listened to my show or bothered to read other comments here. I wouldn't recommend a Kimber or Para 1911 either, due to reliability concerns, and they're both expensive guns. Heck, a Sigma is only $300 and I think it's a perfectly serviceable gun. And I admitted that SHOOTING a Hi Point was a lot of fun. You suffer from selective hearing, sir.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead No not selective hearing, I am talking about the hi point. This is the video that you show. I can not and will not comment on firearms that I have not shot, therefor, I will not comment on a Kimber, Para or Sigma. The Hi Point, I can comment on and have. Perhaps, just like any other firearm out there, if you have a problem, Hi Point would have taken care of the problem no questions asked. All firearm manufactures do this..
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 Selective hearing meant you chose to ignore the positive things I said about the gun and simply get butt-hurt that I pointed out the negative aspects. And I don't care about a lifetime warranty- I want a gun I chose for defensive use to be reliable to the point that I never have to use the warranty. Do you really think telling an attacker "Just wait 'til my gun comes back from repair" is an acceptable solution?
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
What a narcissistic attitude to think you will not have warranty repair work on any firearm. It is a machine, it will eventually break or a part will wear out. Springs are a weak part of the system. Thats the way it is in the real world not in fantasy land...
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 I'm a certified armorer- I'm well aware that springs get replaced at certain intervals of service. But that's maintenance, not warranty. Warranty work is done for defective workmanship.
I'm glad you're well-spoken and using words like narcissistic, but you're using the wrong words. I think you meant naive, since narcissism is directed at oneself, rather than an external object.
Ever run a Hi Point through a class like LFI or GunSite 250?
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead "Well I am not sure what being an armoror has to do with anything or running a hi point through a class does either. A class just teaches you drills and what to do if your firearm malfunctions which you do not need since you are able to find firearms that won't malfuntion. There are a lot of high end guns out there that have had parts failures and have put out lemons.
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 Becoming an armorer taught me how the stuff works internally. Running through classes teaches you which guns fail, as well, since you tend to go through a lot of rounds. "Just teaches you drills" are words that sound like an excuse for not attending, but I may be mistaken since there's no tone of voice via text.
Yes, high end guns fail too. Specifically Kimber and Para. I'm not about the dollars spent, as you insist. I'm about the function. But pot metal doesn't cut it.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead In your opinion it doesn't cut it. Hi Point is a fine firearm. Both Hi Points that I own, are flawless in every way. Never have they jammed nor have they ever let me down. I have put thousands of rounds both factory and handloads. Both jacketed bullets and casts.. I have shot Winchester, Federal and Blazer through them.
daywalker627 1 year ago 4
@daywalker627 I wouldn't say it's a "fine firearm", but it does work if the magazines are decent. Of course, the other thing we've never discussed is what the gun is used for. As a range toy, I love the thing. That heavy slide makes recoil a breeze! But its build quality/materials, physical profile, and lack of GOOD holsters rule it out for duty or concealed carry, which is my focus.
By the way, my compliments on your reloading videos, in case I forget later!
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead doesn't hurt to agree to disagree on the matter. I have shot mine to the point that I am confident that if it was the closest firearm to me and I needed it, it will not let me down. I do carry my Taurus PT1911 as my main CCW firearm and would not hesitate to carry the hi point. Thanks for the compliment, I am still trying to get better with my video's....
daywalker627 1 year ago
While I appreciate your opinion on this gun, I find your opinion very biased and it doesn't prove anything negative you said about the gun. I own this very gun, and what you did with the one-handed round chamber is pretty well a joke. It would take an extreme amount of pure LUCK to accidentally camber a round, and if you can't control your gun better than that, then you need to get rid of it. As far as the ammo, every gun has ammo it doesn't like. Even the almighty Glock will jam with wolf.
xibowhunter 1 year ago
@xibowhunter Watch my Glock vs. Wolf video. A good gun functions. Period. And this was a balanced review- I gave the gun credit for shooting nicely, etc. But that doesn't change a magazine safety or slide stop that failed half the time, poorly designed controls, or cheap magazines and a bad follower design.
Find my opinion biased all you like- we handle our guns administratively way more than we shoot attackers, and this one failed in too many other ways.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
All these people on youtube who bash Hi-Points saying that they are crap, that they blow up in your hand, they always jam....bla bla bla bla bla bla....
Where is the video proof? It's always; "well, my buddy has one and he says that it jams", or "i've read other reviews and they say that..."...
So what does your little video demonstration prove anyway? Nothing. What you demonstrated is just one of the idiosyncrasies of the gun. That is not indicative of a manufacturing defect in the gun.
Hellsredeemer 1 year ago
@Hellsredeemer You can see it "blown up" quite easily in my follow up video. What concerns me is the WAY it failed. Because ANY gun will fail and have a blown chamber with a double charge of ammo- but the pot metal slide of the Hi Point gave out on the one I saw. We still aren't convinced it blew due to a double charge, either. Thing is, we just don't know. But we DO know zinc alloy isn't strong enough for a duty gun, nor are the magazines dependable enough to stake our lives on.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
I agree with you, Hi-Point guns suck. I picked up a C9 after reading all of the good reviews, but this thing jams about every other round. I fed it Winchester, Magtech, and American Eagle and they all did the same. You can just forget about trying to put some hollow points through it, it's even worse! Thinking that it was the magazine that came with it I bought a few others and they all did the same thing! Just stay away, they're junk!
clamytoe 1 year ago
ShootingTimes gave the Hi-Point Rave reviews. They are a much more viable source of information than you. What kind of half assed gun reviewer uses nothing but JUNK ammo? An idiot trying to make a pistol malfunction! I have several Hi-Points, and have thousands of rounds through them with ZERO malfunctions! You never showed the gun jam, or even taped yourself shooting it for any period of time. You are a clueless idiot with a camera, not a qualified pistol evaluator. You really have no clue.
kenny474 1 year ago
@kenny474 And you obviously didn't pay any attention to when I said the gun ran better with PMC (used more than just Wolf), haven't watched my Pt.2 to this video where I show the pictures, didn't listen to where I said the problem was mostly due to the bad magazine design, said the mag safety and slide lock fail half the time (not ammo related), or that a magazine NEVER prints a bad review because they can't risk offending advertisers. Good job thinking it through, Kenny.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead PMC is JUNK, PERIOD. How about some Hornady, Federal, or another name brand of ammo? If the safety doesn't work, send it back under WARRANTY, then cry if it doesn't work. I had issues with my $200 LBC PPC Open Class when I first got it, and it's probably better than anything you have ever handled in your life. And Hi_Point DOESN'T advertise in Shooting Times, so who will they offend? I have read negative reviews from them, they call it how it is.
kenny474 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Again, you are nothing but an IDIOT with a camera who claims to know what he is talking about, contradicts himself every other word, and evaluates a pistol using junk ammo and acts like it's the guns fault you can't spend more than $5 on a box of ammo. And sorry for the typo, PMC IS JUNK! I have watched your video's, and I still feel your an idiot. I too am an armorer, along with a certified licensed FFL and gunsmith. I went to college to learn the inner workings of a firearm.
kenny474 1 year ago
@kenny474 What's funny is you've said nothing technical to back up your assertions, have no videos of any of your firearms expertise, and have nothing but insults. If you want to converse like an adult, I'm more than willing. If all you're going to do is call names, then I'm lumping you in with the typical Hi Point trolls and your opinion doesn't matter anyway.
And let's be honest- people who only spend $120 on a C9 aren't likely to pony up for Golden Saber.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Maybe you should consider there are others out here far more knowledgeable than yourself before you publish your half assed ignorance. Big deal if your an armorer, which is says little other than you took a 3 day class on firearms. I am far more qualified than you, and have documentation to prove so. I am armorer for Glock, AR-15's, Sig, S&W, Springfield, and a few others. It says nothing other than I took a week long class to learn about specific weapons systems. Your clueless.
kenny474 1 year ago
@kenny474 Clueless. Idiot. Again, all you have are insults. So here's an idea- how about you put up or shut up? If you're so awesome, let's see some videos. I'd like you to explain the differences between investment casting and hammer forging. I'd also like you to point out where I "contradicted" myself.
Quit your whining and do it better. Start acting like an adult before I simply block your trolling.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead YOUR AN IDIOT YOU KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT HI-POINTS SO DON'T DO REVIEWS ON GUNS YOU REALLY NO NOTHING ABOUT
mandel395 1 year ago
@mandel395 Mandel, I'm all for disagreeing but I don't tolerate rudeness.Beside, you called me an idiot but misspelled two words and used no punctuation- which just makes your posts comical and presents a really bad image of the "typical" Hi Point owner. Think before you type, man. And I know nothing at all, huh? Try looking up "ZAMAK-3", "zinc", and "pot metal" sometime. Then learn about casting vs. forging. Nice work getting yourself blocked, buddy.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago 6
@mandel395 What is wrong with you? Seriously even attempting to insult a former air force officer? Why cant you appreciate what he has done whether you think it's something that is worth HIS time or not you are not the one who took the time to make this video! Think about making a better video rather than complaining about someone else's work come on people i'm 16 I know better than this if a 16 year old knows better than to pull this crap shouldn't you?
obertin16 1 year ago
@floatingaxehead Sorry, I meant $2000 Les Baer Custom PPC Open Class 1911, which had a feed issue when I received it, although it was more an issue of the ammo I use. It was fixed immediately, as they have excellent customer service. I didn't go on the Net and cry about it, as it was fixed for free. No need for bad press before trying to have it serviced. I could have done it, but I am a bit too busy with actual work and customers guns that I have little time for myself and personal projects.
kenny474 1 year ago
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@floatingaxehead Sorry, I meant $2000 Les Baer Custom PPC Open Class 1911, which had a feed issue when I received it, although it was more an issue of the ammo I use. It was fixed immediately, as they have excellent customer service. I didn't go on the Net and cry about it, as it was fixed for free. No need for bad press before trying to have it serviced. I could have done it, but I am a bit too busy with actual work and customers guns that I have little time for myself and personal projects.
kenny474 1 year ago
The slide locking back is how Hi-Point designed their pistols to lock back on an empty magazine. You demonstrated that perfectly. I also liked the trick shooting with the one-handed cocking method. Try doing that with a Kimber. lol Plus, after the one-hand cocking, the C9 emptied the magazine with NO jams! Interesting...a pistol with a LRHO, can be cocked with one hand, and not jam even with your limp wrist...well worth $150!!
wvnurse2007 1 year ago
@wvnurse2007 The problem is the slide lock and magazine safety both failed half the time. And one magazine is hardly an example of reliable feeding, much like I've admitted my sample of one pistol shouldn't be representative of them all.
As a matter of fact, I can work my 1911 and Glock one-handed. Intentionally. Through practiced drills.
And that was far from a limp wrist, but thanks for being so classy as to keep your insults back-handed.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
The limp wrist comment was directed to the most common cause of jamming in any blowback action pistol. You also stated that the cocking with one hand is the reason you didn't like the Hi-Point. Since you can do that with your 1911 and Glock, you don't like them either? Your words were bashing the gun, but the video showed the pistol doing exactly as designed. Now you are confusing.
wvnurse2007 1 year ago
@wvnurse2007 There's a BIG difference between one-hand drills on a pistol in a "manual of arms" fashion, and doing it in a manner like the Hi Point that requires you to have the muzzle pointed toward yourself. I assure you, it's not confusing at all if you think about it logically or take an actual training class.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
It was the wolf ammo... if you use the right ammo it hardly jams.
alexwheeler 2 years ago
@alexwheeler No, it was the follower in the cheap, crappy magazine. It functioned better with brass cased ammo, but still jammed, and I have the pictures in Pt.2 to show it.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
you look like a monster. please dont kill me. ps,looking for cheap pistol for home defense. any suggestions? granted cheap is cheap, but a m16 is technically a cheap rifle, sports works fine
TheKyla1981 2 years ago
@TheKyla1981 And you leave nonsensical posts. A true M-16 goes for around $15K for a civilian buyer these days, so maybe you should qualify your question a little bit better if you think that's cheap. Proper punctuation and capitalization will go a long way to helping me understand what you're really asking. Do you want a long gun or pistol? What is the price point? Are we factoring cost of ammo?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I apologize for leaving opaque comments. Had I realized that this page was held to UCLA standards I would have been more concise. I realize now that my attempt at a layman's sense of humor was wasted on you. In any manner you did somewhat attempt to be nice and responded. OK, while you do have to pay a lot comparatively for an M-16 on the highly regulated civilian market, the people who designed the gun in the first place were the lowest bidders. Demand creates a high price.
TheKyla1981 1 year ago
@TheKyla1981 I'm still wondering what your price point is for a cheap pistol for home defense. Generally, I would say a Smith & Wesson Sigma (SW9VE) which can be had new for $299. A surplus SigSauer P6/225 goes for about $350, is a nicer gun, but reduces ammo capacity. Rugers can be had for a decent price, but it varies depending on the model.
Was the M-16 awarded because it was low bid, or are you just saying that? It's pricier than a Mini-14. I think it just passed the trials, personally.
floatingaxehead 1 year ago
had 'bout 4 jams on brand new C9 with the cheapest blazer rounds. using Federal and Remington since then have never had another jam in 300. i think it's a good choice for a first 9mm to experiment with and decide whether one wants to upgrade, which i plan to do after selling it.
desirefirst 2 years ago
i own this gun i fire full metal jacket 9mm rounds out of it never had it jam and i have fired over 1000 rounds through. yes it is a cheap gun and yes it has a heavy slide but i didn't have as many problems as you did with it. i think your just a little biased.
lazyguy204 2 years ago
@lazyguy204 A little biased? Yes. See, you've overlooked the crappy magazines, ergonomics, and that I mentioned the slide lock and magazine safety both failed 50% of the time. That is unforgivable, and I have a bias against stuff that doesn't work well. It was more than just the jams- it's a poorly made firearm. Realistically, we handle our firearms administratively WAY more than we shoot- and the Hi Point design simply falls short for a serious carry choice.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
It's interesting that you say that it is a jam-o-matic, and it shot flawlessly when you were displaying the blowback mechanism! But you summed it up, it is what it is. It is fun. Magazines cause them a lot of problems if they aren't broke in well, as well as the gun itself. Mine shot pretty much flawlessly after the break-in-period. I mainly use Blazer Brass rounds.
luftwaffles1000 2 years ago
@luftwaffles1000 it's interesting to me that everybody wants to take ONE magazine and think that was representative of the time spent shooting. And you're the second person to mention magazine break-in... No offense, but I have NEVER heard of such a thing. None of my P-Mags, Wilson Combat 47Ds, Ruger, Butler Creek, or Glock factory mags "break-in". Magazines wear out with each spring cycle- not improve.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
you look like gary Busey
FabioCrow07770 2 years ago
@FabioCrow07770 LOL! Growing up, I heard people say that to my Dad all the time! So I wondered if people thought I looked like Jake Busey... Never heard that about myself, and thanks for the laugh! Have a good one!
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
@floatingaxehead lol Well Gary is awesomeness.
FabioCrow07770 2 years ago
Oh my god its a shotshell boneyard! I have never seen so many shells on the ground.
Letsmakeasamich 2 years ago
Sadly true. That's why I did my video on littering and we always take out extra trash bags for clean up. It's my time in the Boy Scouts at work- gotta leave it better than we found it!
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I shot my friends high point and after 4 rounds the mag fell out of it. This was a new out of the box gun I handed it back to my buddy and pulled out my XD .45 and started putting rounds down range.If you want a defence gun save up to a good one if you can get $190 for the high point just hold off and get the $470 and buy a reliable gun.
2ndamendmentmilitant 2 years ago
I bought a Hi-Point .45 a few weeks ago - but have not yet shot it. Tried the trick you demoed in the video and could not get it to chamber one handed.
Now, I could feel the slide giving a hair when I really put some irish on it ... but not enough to make it go click. I'll have to try that again after I've put some rounds through it.
briankdunbar 2 years ago
The .45 is sprung much heavier. Actually, we shot a JHP-45 as well (I thought I mentioned that) and I liked it quite a bit. The ergonomics still weren't great, but it was very smooth shooting!
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Put your gun in a smelter for the good of mankind.
dongmaster2 2 years ago
You're only supposed to put in 7 rounds until your mag breaks in.
ltgreatsocks 2 years ago
Until the mag breaks in? Have you really thought about that?What is there to "break in"? If anything, a mag functions best when it is fresh and the spring has fewer compression cycles through it.
I literally cannot think of a single other firearm or magazine where somebody would say the magazine has to "break in". Think about it. If that were true, wouldn't that strike you as a red flag?
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
@floatingaxehead I've never shot a Hi-Point myself but I've heard other people say that. Besides, that's not really that crazy dude. I don't really know as much about guns as you do (just saying, not trying to be a sarcastic dick or anything) but it's probably not a super high quality mag and maybe some shit needs to loosen up or something. I don't know dude. Why don't you just try putting seven rounds in and see how it goes? Assuming you haven't already broken it.
ltgreatsocks 2 years ago
My Glock shoots cheap ammo. It shoots expensive ammo, ammo I dropped in the dirt, home made reloads, and whatever else I put in it.
Is it really too much to ask for a gun to shoot the ammo it was designed to shoot, even if it is a couple bucks cheaper than average?
KurNorock 2 years ago
good review and all but the issue here is like with most firearms cheap ammo will cause FTF FTE not to mention limp wristing and poor cleaning habits as well i have shot and know several people who own hi points c9 biggest complaint they have is poor ergonomics other then that they all sear by the gun being reliable also for good defense ammo check out corbon powerball 9mm
kingd3001 2 years ago
this is a good vid with alot of good info. i don't know why these people are knocking you for giving the facts about a less then great gun,but i for one enjoyed the review......the whole one-handed cocking thing looks cool and might even give some ideas for "fun" scenarios but if you think about it, it is a big time safety issue . thanks for the vid
sevendeadly69 2 years ago
im just sayin that if some one is in your house just shot em in the head and be done. this isnt the old west you are never going to have at the strike of noon gunfight with them in a building. and i use Hornady Critical Defense ammo 115 gr.
jwick77 2 years ago
The head is a small, highly mobile target with fast twitch muscles in the neck. It's a very difficult target, which is why EVERY reputable trainer teaches to shoot center mass. That's also why your Critical Defense loads have the little rubber tip- to prevent clogging and help expansion when shooting through clothing- which is typically worn center mass.
Train more. Learn. Apply critical thinking skills. You're right, it's not at noon. It's at night, in your dark house, with an obscured target.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I must say the one handed slide cocking manuver looks pretty cool...LOL
darque29 2 years ago
And I won't lie- the thought of double-fisting two guns and going all John Woo is awfully funny!
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I own the hipoint 995 TS carbine, I have never had any jams. I only use brass cased ammo in it. I only run steel cased ammo through my AK-47's not my hand guns.Hipoint is like anything man made. There will be some defective ones in the bunch. If any hipoint owners have cosistant malfunctions with their Hipoint, send it back to the company. Thats what the lifetime warranty is for. Im sure they will be happy to adress your complaint. Fixing it would be good for the companys image.
darque29 2 years ago
Fixing it WOULD be good. The point is I never want to have to rely on the warranty service for a defensive pistol. That's a gun that gets a "range toy only" label hung on it. I want my defensive pistol to run so so well I never encounter the company's customer service desk.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
ok well if someone is attacking you and you use this c-9 how many shots do you need id think one would do it for me. and for someone who shoots thousands of rounds each year id think you would have a good enough shot to get it done in one shot.? right?
jwick77 2 years ago
One? One shot? Have you actually read any gunfight AARs?
You shoot until the fight is over. There is no "one shot stop" silliness in the real world, unless you've possibly dumped a 12 gauge round into the offender, and even that is no guarantee.
What kind of ammo do you use? What particular load, weight, bullet, powder, etc. will get you the best results? Have you put 200+ rounds of it through the gun as a function test? One shot could be fatal- for you, unless you think this through.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
you keep compainin about it jammin every 3rd round but when you loaded it one handed it shot the whole clip. didnt it? and who the hell are you to knock hi point???
jwick77 2 years ago
One magazine (not "clip") is hardly conclusive evidence. Who am I? Just a guy. Of course, I put thousands of rounds downrange each year, am an NRA certified instructor, Glock armorer, build my own ARs, AZ Dept Public Safety credentialed CCW instructor, and know James Yeager and Massad Ayoob personally. I think I might have an idea of what to look for in a dependable defense sidearm.
Listen to my podcast, I promise I'm not just full of bluster.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
"and who the hell are you to knock hi point???"
He is the guy who went out and shot a gun only to have it jam on him all the time.
It isn't "knocking" if it is the truth.
Also, people say glocks are ugly, but man... Hi Points are UUUUUGGGGGGGLLYY!
KurNorock 2 years ago
It kinda reminds me of the Spyderco one hand opening---Hey, all of my weapons have been defective for years.
Tardisius 2 years ago
Because that's what the genius owner bought a case of 1000 of, before I could advise him otherwise. To be fair, we also ran brass ammo through it (PMC) and while it worked better, it still jammed way too often for defensive use/reliability.
The biggest problem was the inconsistency of the failures. They were all FTF, but some were nose up, some were nose down... If it were at least a consistent error so I knew what to fix I wouldn't think it was such junk.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
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No need to argue about HP quality. They can buy all the high points in the world for all I care. They should at least get them in sets of 2 so they will have one while the other is being repaired. Id rather have a crossman slingshot. airsoft glocks cost more than a High point.
I'll stick with my glocks, walthers , and 1911's (of most makes)
magnum7mm 2 years ago
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magnum7mm 2 years ago
I have owned a C9 for 10 years but haven't put more than about 1,000 rounds through it. Anyone that says it is their most reliable weapon simply hasn't owned anything else. Mine doesn't jam frequently, but it does jam and all you have to do is remove the grips to see how crappy they are built. The trigger mechanism is all stamped, low quality steal. Great for a low cost gun, but lets not try to fool anyone...It's still junk as far as firearms are concerned.
smcnally75 2 years ago
Own one. Own many.....my most reliable weapon....jammed on the first clip. THATS IT....3000 rounds later.....it is the best gun out there. Best Nines reviews it in the top ALL 25 of all 9mm. Your another gun snob. I have four of them now. They are cheap enough to pepper all over the house. Your review is misleading and counter intuitive to everything posted all over the web.
GrandAwakening 2 years ago
@GrandAwakening right on dude...i got a c9 and it will kill just as well as any other 9mm...i'm gonna pick up a 40 cal carbine...these assholes are just a bore...floatingasshead loves this page because he can lift his nose at you...i like how hard the gun jammed when he shot it......what a fukktard...he's so pretty i don't know how he got the time to do this video between his manicures and going to abercrombie and fitch...
maciverandy 2 years ago
LOL......I have the 4095 Carbine and I put a red dot laser on it and I am deadly....I would take anyone on with a Hi-Point...any day!
GrandAwakening 2 years ago
Alright, now you're just trolling. Again, thanks for displaying the kind of class Hi Point owners usually have.
"Rich families?" Ha! I'm an E-5, bud- just working for a living.
You really think my "trash talking" is keeping Hi Point from getting contracts, instead of their inferior quality?
When you refuse to listen to guys like UrbanKnight or myself, armorers, and trainers, there's no use debating with you. It's not snobbery to advise people to buy a better gun, like Ruger. See you, troll.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Hi Points are garbage, I know this from first hand experiance. Guess that makes me a "Gun Snob" according to the HP society.
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
@UrbanKnight12
i own dozens of both hand guns and riffles as i am a military weapons specialist. i have a range from S&W to rug's and barretta also my hi-points and of all the guns from factory they need work. the jamming issue can be solved by light smoothing of the ramp that the shell slides in on. even my 1911 had this issue and it is one of the finest crafted hand guns of all time.
mustang2008s 2 years ago
@ mustang2008s, i'm pretty sure you just made that whole speech up.I highly doubt you are a "Military Weapons Specialist" and you also spelled Beretta wrong. and not "All guns from factory need work" That's an ignorant statement. I can spot a BS're, and you reek of it.
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
well i am glad your the expert and if you ask any gunsmith they will tell you any gun needs modifications they are mass produced and little tweaks cam improve anything. but since my typing is not perfect i guess i dont know what i am talking about. but you know i dont really give a shit what you think 4 years of weapons training i think i got a grip on whats up. i would take my hi-point on the field with me any day of the week
mustang2008s 2 years ago
4 Years of weapons training? I'm gunna have to see some proof of that, lolz I've been in the Army for 4 years, and i'm an armorer. (I could show you the certificate) I'm also a certified CCW, and am trained on more military and civilian weapon systems than you have fingers and toes. Please keep talking.
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
i just built an alter in worship of you urban...you are the coolest ccw certified guy i ever knew...when you fall off that pedestal let me know, i'll take down my shrine in honor of you.
maciverandy 2 years ago
@UrbanKnight12 this is the exact example of a gun snob..."you did'nt spell beretta right!!!" fukk you and your uppity attitude...
maciverandy 2 years ago
u never owned one...everyone who has ever owned one has pride in the weapon...it's made in the u.s.a and its a good deal...people who never owned them hate them...it's just ignorance...but i guess ignorance is bliss huh?
maciverandy 2 years ago
@maciverandy, I guess ingnorance is bliss, cause you make a lifestyle of it.
UrbanKnight12 2 years ago
"Another fact is Hi Point owners never debate on technical aspects"
Actually this is false. You claimed Hi Points are Jammo-matics ... you got a TON of Hi Point owners posting saying thats not been their experience. You then said Hi Points are dangerous because you can wildly jerk a round into the chamber. I pretty much destroyed that arguement by proving no one carries a pistol with an empty chamber. It's pretty much time to just admit you were wrong.
spamllpitdept 2 years ago
Ah, but you cut the latter part of my post where I point out how Hi Point owners take this as a personal affront to them (it's not, I just don't like the gun and they take it personally) and start with the name calling.
And I don't care if people claim to have all these rounds through the gun- they're still cheaply made, inconsistent, and unable to win agency contracts. What bubba thinks is a great gun ain't necessarily so.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
floatingasshead... military contracts are a big business...maybe if you would'nt talk shit about an american company, hi-point could win people over, and keep making their product better...isn't that the american way? but colt and beretta arre monopolys...thats what you guys like...monopolys...it keeps your rich families at the top and the common man down...
maciverandy 2 years ago
If you were having problems with the magazine safety you can send it in for service. Not too many companies offer the no questions asked lifetime warranty. My c9 has never been fed aluminum casings so I cant comment on the jams but all brass I have fired was flawless. I love the c9 as a range gun because of the price. But the warranty is why I bought mine. And the jams are fixed easy enough with magazine lip tweeks and a ramp polish. Sorry you didnt like it.
inthewerks 2 years ago
Actually, lots of companies offer lifetime warranties. The point is, any gun worth carrying in a defensive role shouldn't have to rely on it's warranty as a selling point- because I should never have to use the warranty.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I remember people in 1974 defending their decision to purchase a Ford Pinto. Might have been a great car but would you want to drive your family around in a car that could explode if hit from behind.
There is no winning this arguement from either side. Love it or Hate it seems to be the legacy of the HP C9.
dblgonzo 2 years ago
LOL wazzup floatingaxehead!!! Man this must be rough lol....I see that you debate everyday about this video through activity update LOL!!! I dont know ppl should just calm a bit I mean any good gun can be a P.O.S.....1 day it will jam rather its glock,beretta,springfield...no gun is flawless lol....peace man
Kalashnikov876 2 years ago
Hi Point = P.O.S
nativedjd 2 years ago
At the end I heard you say you were going to get one. 600 rounds through my C9 with about 10 jams so far. Try the cheap Federal ammo from Wal-Mart. $9.97 a box and it might just change your opinion about the jams this gun has. I haven't had a jam now in about 5 boxes. As for your friend, any safety malfunctions could easily be fixed with Hi-Points lifetime warranty. More then likely they will throw in an extra mag for his troubles. Good shooting everyone, and be safe.
dvogel1983 2 years ago
As I've said before- that's still too high a failure rate for defensive gun. And I want my gun to run to the point that I don't need warranty work- because a goblin won't wait for you to get your pistol back from the manufacturer.
I'll still likely pick one up, but only as a play toy and to torture test like I have my Glock, for all those who say it's "just as good as".
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
lol, dude, you're STILL trolling the hi points in comments? You have like 100 owners telling you here it's not a problem and certainly not the 3 to 1 jam ratio you claim. This is like when all those 1911 people would say Glocks were unsafe due to lack of safeties or what not even though Glock owners said they never had such a problem. You claim in the video still that you disliked hi points before you ever fired one ... ie- you seem to be biased.
spamllpitdept 2 years ago
Is it "trolling" to reply? Really?
Yeah, I was biased. And I still think they're junk. But nobody ever gives credit to the positive things I say about it's accuracy, and how shooting was enjoyable. Or that I said I would likely get one as a range toy. I would say that shows the gun changed my mind and was less crappy than I expected.
But no. Hi Point owners just get mad about the negative things I said. If you watch this impartially, it's more fair than people realize.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
"I would likely get one as a range toy"
Check out the 995ts in 45 or 40. Tons of fun as a range gun and better than an AR or Shotgun for home defence.
spamllpitdept 2 years ago
Actually, a .223 round or birdshot have less overpenetration through adjoining walls and may be considered far safer in a home defense situation. A 9mm or .45 round penetrate further when fired from just a pistol- to say nothing of accelerating their velocity through a longer barrel of a carbine. I'm just not a pistol caliber carbine fan...
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
.223 has less over penetration than a .45? dude, are you trolling or serious?
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