Thats fucking overkill. Most HEAT missiles kill the guys inside with scorching heat, metal fragments, and overpressure. Not by dismantling the turret from the fucking tank.
Shit yeah!!!! My favourite bit was where all the armchair munitions experts anal-ised every part of this footage. Fucken hell morons just enjoy the BOOM! Fucken nerds!!!!
If only there was some kind of nerd seeking munition.
Stick to Warcraft or actually destroy anything nearly as impressive as a main battle tank first hand.
@DisgorgeNUKEusa 115 wasn't so feasible on the T-55, that is why they went with a larger turret ring on the T-62. Plus the 105mm "NATO" standard gun works fine on the T-55.
Quote from the boeing avenger article about the test in 2007. the laser burned a hole through the casing of artillery and mortar rounds, detonating them more or less instantly
Maybe I got the thel videos confused with somethign else, I cant recall since it was a few years ago that I saw the demo's, but the undeniable fact remains, their is laser interceptors on humvees, used for shooting things out of the sky, unlike just being used for ied's like you proclaimed. If it has the power to kill a UAV then with the right tracking/targetting system it can take out mortar and arty rounds also, THEL is overkill, only good for protecting bases n shit, not out in the field.
Also, the UK starstreak missile, its a laser guided G2A missile but also can be used as a G2G missile targetting vehicles, not tanks tho, they are supposedly making or were making a dedicated ground version.
Each missile contains 3 tungsten alloy darts, they split up and hit the target over a wide area, so the aps would find it very difficult to kill all 3, it would get one probably, but the other 2 it wouldnt since the darts split up, one of these in the dedicated AT role would be killer.
Its easy to defeat active missile protection systems with a missile, russians have already done it, all you need is to fire one missile and then milli seconds later fire another missile, the active defensive system will target the first missile but wont target the second because its so close to the first and its the second missile that destroys the target.
So a system like losat that would contain 2 projectiles within one launcher would easily defeat APS, its already been proved.
@cr9527 in that case just make the gap a few milliseconds longer before the second rocket/missile is fired. The rocket/missile WILL ALWAYS get through in the end. Its one big game of cat and mouse, the tank gets the aps, then newer rockets/missiles come out with a way to defeat the aps then the aps gets upgraded again etc.
Also, APS's that use an excessive explosive blast cannot be used in urban areas or near friendly troops, as it will either end up killing your own people or civilians
APS is a good idea in theory, but in practise at the moment it isnt all that its cracked up to be, maybe in 10-20 years it will have matured enough to be a viable solution to the rocket/missile threat in any arena, but at the moment there is trade offs which doesnt make it a viable weapon system for large scale deployment, a better system would be a high powered laser on a tank that could destroy an incoming round within .5 of a second, thats the way to go if you were to ask me.
1stly, typically the shockwave caused by an impact from an RPG, or Tank round would kill friendly troops within blast radius of an APS.
2nly, APS systems Can be designed to intelligently choose targets, much like the SM-3 Missiles, except on way smaller scale.
lastly, Lasers will cause damage to explosive projectiles, it will have no effect on a Sabbot Round. Plus, Lasers require immense amounts of power that few vehicles can provide.
@cr9527 Obviously the shockwave/frag from either aps projectile or incoming round will kill/injure anyone in the immediate area.
We know they can pick and choose what targets to go for, but I wouldnt exactly call that intelligent, I would call that a trade off between letting the tank get hit or killing your own men who maybe in the danger zone of where the aps projectile detonates.
As for lasers, they are getting smaller all the time, they are now mounted on humvees to take out artillery
Oct 2007 - Boeing conducted a series of tests at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama with a 1-kw laser mounted on the back of a converted anti-aircraft Humvee. Shooting an invisible beam just a few centimeters in diameter and 20 times hotter than an electric stovetop, the laser burned a hole through the casing of artillery and mortar rounds, detonating them more or less instantly.
There is videos of those tests, and the incoming rounds are destroyed in flight, and its a humvee based vehicle doing it. I am sure the videos are on youtube ? you see the mortars and shells being targetted and basically within 1-2 seconds being destroyed, 10 years from now that thing will be smaller and more powerful.
Now keep trying to tell me that there ISNT a humvee based laser capable of shooting things down out of the SKY, whether it be UAV, mortar or arty, if it can do a UAV then it can do the others also, but maybe needs a better targettign system.
and mortars experimentally, so the lasers are getting smaller as each year goes by, ok a heavy saboted DU tank shell isnt likely to be affected by a laser but APS isnt designed for that, APS is designed for rockets/missiles, not for a saboted tank shell.
As before, we are only on the cusp of a true APS, today it isnt a really viable system, but in 10-20 years it will be, simply because technology will have advanced to a stage where they are truly effective time after time.
@hoplite1766 The Israeli Merkava 4 and german Leoaprd 2A7 can survive this because they have APS (Active Protection system) which can defeat and destroy incoming missiles.
everyone who thinks a cheap missile can destroy a modern MBT that is protected by APS has to be dumb.
It's a huge fucking rocket with a tungsten rod penetrator traveling at 5000 fps. Essentially, a hit is a guaranteed K-kill until they invent something that essentially negates the impact of penetrators. Too bad the project's dead.
And the reason the M60 got fucked up is because the penetrator rod on that rocket's the size of a Louisville Slugger and traveling three times as fast as a normal AT sabot round. Not much you can do against that.
To answer an old question posted here: CKEM stood for Compact Kinetic Energy Missile, an attempt to make a smaller version of LOSAT. 1.5m in length, Mach 6.5 for speed, stated impact energy of 10MJ. Last test I'm aware of was down in Eglin AFB back in '07 against a target with ERA. Haven't heard much since then. Figure the project is more or less on hold right now.
@Bullzeye95 there is already a system that makes missiles ineffective - Active Protection systems can destroy a incoming missile beore it hits the tank's armour. thus the missile is not effective anymore against modern MBTS like the Leoaprd 2 and israeli Merkava 4.
It's amongst the fastest missile in the world travelling at 5,000 feet per second penetrating armor with a tungsten rod rather than high explosive charge. It's cancelled in 2004, but a better more compact predecesor is in developement by Lockheed Martin. That explains the bullet like sound.
I love this thing. It's so fast it sounds like a fucking laser from star wars!
MrJackCanard 3 months ago
fuck i want to see the motorcycle version
datzfast 7 months ago
Thats fucking overkill. Most HEAT missiles kill the guys inside with scorching heat, metal fragments, and overpressure. Not by dismantling the turret from the fucking tank.
razorback497 8 months ago
Shit yeah!!!! My favourite bit was where all the armchair munitions experts anal-ised every part of this footage. Fucken hell morons just enjoy the BOOM! Fucken nerds!!!!
If only there was some kind of nerd seeking munition.
Stick to Warcraft or actually destroy anything nearly as impressive as a main battle tank first hand.
I haven't.
greg313662 9 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa
@DisgorgeNUKEusa 115 wasn't so feasible on the T-55, that is why they went with a larger turret ring on the T-62. Plus the 105mm "NATO" standard gun works fine on the T-55.
Sismiques 10 months ago
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@DisgorgeNUKEusa
For it's day it was ok, but this video just shows newer tech being used against an old tank.
Now an Abrams, Leo 2, T-80 against the LOSAT would be better depictions.
Sismiques 10 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa
@DisgorgeNUKEusa
For it's day it was ok, but this video just shows newer tech being used against an old tank.
Now an Abrams, Leo 2, T-80 against the LOSAT would be better depictions.
Sismiques 10 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa
The T-55 has a smaller gun than the M-60.
Chieftan, weighs more, and was produced later.
The Leo 1's armour is lighter.
T-62, eh....
M-60 pretty good optics.
The thing about the M-60 is, while it is roomy inside, it sits rather high, also it is a bit on the heavy side.
Sismiques 10 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa
It doesn't it is just an old tank.
Sismiques 10 months ago
Fatality
Flaggedagain 1 year ago
Raped...
deadeyeselh 1 year ago
awesome sounds and power...
rolex427sc 1 year ago
Quote from the boeing avenger article about the test in 2007. the laser burned a hole through the casing of artillery and mortar rounds, detonating them more or less instantly
mehstfu 1 year ago
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mehstfu 1 year ago
Maybe I got the thel videos confused with somethign else, I cant recall since it was a few years ago that I saw the demo's, but the undeniable fact remains, their is laser interceptors on humvees, used for shooting things out of the sky, unlike just being used for ied's like you proclaimed. If it has the power to kill a UAV then with the right tracking/targetting system it can take out mortar and arty rounds also, THEL is overkill, only good for protecting bases n shit, not out in the field.
mehstfu 1 year ago
@mehstfu
It took THEL some 3 seconds to kill a mortar, at 100kw, how long do you think it will take a humvee with 1kw laser to kill one?
cr9527 1 year ago
just add the begining of the link and change the 0 to a o to get the link to work
mehstfu 1 year ago
Also, the UK starstreak missile, its a laser guided G2A missile but also can be used as a G2G missile targetting vehicles, not tanks tho, they are supposedly making or were making a dedicated ground version.
Each missile contains 3 tungsten alloy darts, they split up and hit the target over a wide area, so the aps would find it very difficult to kill all 3, it would get one probably, but the other 2 it wouldnt since the darts split up, one of these in the dedicated AT role would be killer.
mehstfu 1 year ago
google RPG 30, that is all you need to know about APS defeating rounds.
mehstfu 2 years ago
Its easy to defeat active missile protection systems with a missile, russians have already done it, all you need is to fire one missile and then milli seconds later fire another missile, the active defensive system will target the first missile but wont target the second because its so close to the first and its the second missile that destroys the target.
So a system like losat that would contain 2 projectiles within one launcher would easily defeat APS, its already been proved.
mehstfu 2 years ago
@mehstfu
That only works if the APS uses Physical contact to destroy incoming missile.
With APS systems in the horizon such as the Quick Kill, where it use explosive blast from another missile, it would destroy both decoy and Warhead.
cr9527 1 year ago
@cr9527 in that case just make the gap a few milliseconds longer before the second rocket/missile is fired. The rocket/missile WILL ALWAYS get through in the end. Its one big game of cat and mouse, the tank gets the aps, then newer rockets/missiles come out with a way to defeat the aps then the aps gets upgraded again etc.
Also, APS's that use an excessive explosive blast cannot be used in urban areas or near friendly troops, as it will either end up killing your own people or civilians
mehstfu 1 year ago
@cr9527
APS is a good idea in theory, but in practise at the moment it isnt all that its cracked up to be, maybe in 10-20 years it will have matured enough to be a viable solution to the rocket/missile threat in any arena, but at the moment there is trade offs which doesnt make it a viable weapon system for large scale deployment, a better system would be a high powered laser on a tank that could destroy an incoming round within .5 of a second, thats the way to go if you were to ask me.
mehstfu 1 year ago
@mehstfu
1stly, typically the shockwave caused by an impact from an RPG, or Tank round would kill friendly troops within blast radius of an APS.
2nly, APS systems Can be designed to intelligently choose targets, much like the SM-3 Missiles, except on way smaller scale.
lastly, Lasers will cause damage to explosive projectiles, it will have no effect on a Sabbot Round. Plus, Lasers require immense amounts of power that few vehicles can provide.
cr9527 1 year ago
@cr9527 Obviously the shockwave/frag from either aps projectile or incoming round will kill/injure anyone in the immediate area.
We know they can pick and choose what targets to go for, but I wouldnt exactly call that intelligent, I would call that a trade off between letting the tank get hit or killing your own men who maybe in the danger zone of where the aps projectile detonates.
As for lasers, they are getting smaller all the time, they are now mounted on humvees to take out artillery
mehstfu 1 year ago
@mehstfu
A tank is a far more valuable asset in the battlefield, as the logistics required to bring a tank to that location is vast.
Lasers on Humvees are used to take out IEDs, and even that it would take some 30 seconds. Far too low powered for killing an incoming explosive.
A laser big enough for this task would be something like MTHEL, but that thing will NEVER be able to be placed on a humvee or tank.
cr9527 1 year ago
@cr9527
Oct 2007 - Boeing conducted a series of tests at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama with a 1-kw laser mounted on the back of a converted anti-aircraft Humvee. Shooting an invisible beam just a few centimeters in diameter and 20 times hotter than an electric stovetop, the laser burned a hole through the casing of artillery and mortar rounds, detonating them more or less instantly.
mehstfu 1 year ago
@cr9527
There is videos of those tests, and the incoming rounds are destroyed in flight, and its a humvee based vehicle doing it. I am sure the videos are on youtube ? you see the mortars and shells being targetted and basically within 1-2 seconds being destroyed, 10 years from now that thing will be smaller and more powerful.
mehstfu 1 year ago
@mehstfu
1stly, 1kw isnt near powerful enough to destroy incoming rounds, MTHEL ues some 100kw, and that takes some 2-3 seconds.
Also, link or it never hppened
cr9527 1 year ago
.hightech-edge.c0m/boeing-anti-aircraft-laser-avenger-successful-test-destroy-uav-unmanned-ariel-vehicle/3418/
Humvee based laser shooting down UAV
Now keep trying to tell me that there ISNT a humvee based laser capable of shooting things down out of the SKY, whether it be UAV, mortar or arty, if it can do a UAV then it can do the others also, but maybe needs a better targettign system.
mehstfu 1 year ago
@cr9527 cont.
and mortars experimentally, so the lasers are getting smaller as each year goes by, ok a heavy saboted DU tank shell isnt likely to be affected by a laser but APS isnt designed for that, APS is designed for rockets/missiles, not for a saboted tank shell.
As before, we are only on the cusp of a true APS, today it isnt a really viable system, but in 10-20 years it will be, simply because technology will have advanced to a stage where they are truly effective time after time.
mehstfu 1 year ago
super weapon!
SHUKVI 2 years ago
Impressive, what could survive that!
hoplite1766 2 years ago
@hoplite1766 The Israeli Merkava 4 and german Leoaprd 2A7 can survive this because they have APS (Active Protection system) which can defeat and destroy incoming missiles.
everyone who thinks a cheap missile can destroy a modern MBT that is protected by APS has to be dumb.
tanker1408 2 years ago
Oh dammit! Not more M-60s! My dad drove those in the early 60s. I want some to be left around!
blownglasslide 3 years ago
Sooo....UH.... who picks up all the scrap metal, I might cut my foot when I'm trespassing this weekend looking for paioati.
lookn4thepowpow 3 years ago
Where do i get mine?
666HellKnight 3 years ago
Ah wtf lol? Where have I been? I never saw such a rocket blowing the tanks up like that. Now I awake.
Paganist666 3 years ago
damn that thing was movin.
cnknguyen 3 years ago
WOW...that was fucking awesome...luv that shit..:D
dougeagle 3 years ago
It's a huge fucking rocket with a tungsten rod penetrator traveling at 5000 fps. Essentially, a hit is a guaranteed K-kill until they invent something that essentially negates the impact of penetrators. Too bad the project's dead.
And the reason the M60 got fucked up is because the penetrator rod on that rocket's the size of a Louisville Slugger and traveling three times as fast as a normal AT sabot round. Not much you can do against that.
Bullzeye95 4 years ago
Not necessarily: CKEM replaced LOSAT; it's more compact.
boobtuber06 3 years ago
whats the CKEM
ihateforigners 3 years ago
To answer an old question posted here: CKEM stood for Compact Kinetic Energy Missile, an attempt to make a smaller version of LOSAT. 1.5m in length, Mach 6.5 for speed, stated impact energy of 10MJ. Last test I'm aware of was down in Eglin AFB back in '07 against a target with ERA. Haven't heard much since then. Figure the project is more or less on hold right now.
MorganKeyes 2 years ago
Yeah I eventually found out. Looks almost as if there gonna cancel the project
ihateforigners 2 years ago
@Bullzeye95 there is already a system that makes missiles ineffective - Active Protection systems can destroy a incoming missile beore it hits the tank's armour. thus the missile is not effective anymore against modern MBTS like the Leoaprd 2 and israeli Merkava 4.
wow everyone seems to live in the past....
tanker1408 2 years ago
Active protection system, I have heard of them but what exactly are they, a CIWS system for tanks, explain.
hoplite1766 2 years ago
it's a system that can destroy missiles and counterattack an incoming threat by destroying its warhead.
there's a video on youtube that shows you how it works, here you can see it better:
/watch?v=H8KLISCMDrk
tanker1408 2 years ago
Wow, that's really something, can't wait to see how effective these systems are in actual combat.
hoplite1766 2 years ago
It cracks me up how this guy is named sweetsonsofliberty, yet he has Bush 41 and Nixon in the Background :)
In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of
persons with something to sell.
- H. L. Mencken
gosciu555 4 years ago
*land
gosciu555 4 years ago
It's amongst the fastest missile in the world travelling at 5,000 feet per second penetrating armor with a tungsten rod rather than high explosive charge. It's cancelled in 2004, but a better more compact predecesor is in developement by Lockheed Martin. That explains the bullet like sound.
ChuckManiac 4 years ago
what was that? :)
gamemakerman100 4 years ago
holyshit!
palaciopalermo12 4 years ago
Since when are tanks made out of cardboard? That thing was ripped to shreds!
BarneySaysHi 4 years ago
Tanks became really useless
celpabedn 4 years ago
toast.
danielj1489 5 years ago
:D :D
KIZILSUNGUR 4 years ago
if only they were used for the right reasons.
gosciu555 4 years ago
which are...?
XentLP 3 years ago
defense.
gosciu555 3 years ago