@EdgemanLL2 Bingo. It appears that one requirement for believing a conspiracy theory is poor listening skills, poor reading skills, and abysmal reasoning skills, coupled with below average knowledge of math, science, and engineering. They seem unable to weigh the claims and counter claims and come up with the right answer, even after something as simple as a mathematical demonstration of the truth. It's a bit like playing Whack-a-Mole with the C- students.
This video Debunks nothing, and here is why. All fighters have friend or Foe ID signals. They knew the fighters location. They also knew the location of the Hijacked aircraft as it was coming to D.C. So why would the Male aid even ask about an order standing or not if there is no chance of the Fighter being able to execute the order? The aid would have told Cheney that the Fighter is not in range of the Hjkd aircraft. It can only be a stand down order because the pentigon was hit.
@EdgemanLL2 So you play the "smart ass- dumb ass" roll in the hit parade of ignorance on display daily with RKO's numerous trips on this treasonous train tour.
@MrNamblamanoflove an unaccounted for stansaction is NOT missing money. In fact its the exact opposite. Not that your GED-failing uneducated ass would know the difference.
Obama/Barry hires lawyers to block access to all of his basic background. His own family cannot get it right which hospital he was born in. His computer generated his birth certificates are reported to be 100% forgeries. The media protects him. The courts protect him. Politicians protect him. Who has that kind of power, none other than who JFK really tried to warn all of us about.
OMG!! The (HIDDEN SPEECH OF JFK) dire warning... /watch?v=pDe6QCqFu4c
@EdgemanLL2 No body cries & no body wins.It's just like I told him. The Government lied about 911 & he'd get to choose who to pin the lie on depending on how he choose to defend the lie. He chose to pin the lie on Mineta in 2004.But just like I said. He'd have to admit to a lie & pin it on someone. I'd say that's win for me.
Let's see,you expect us to believe that after the Pentagon was struck an unidentified & possibly hijacked plane came with in 10 miles of DC and no knows what it was?Rubbish.We'd all know the flight number because it would have been shot down.That's THE best,most unbelievable lie that anyone has come up with yet! Tell me then,what was this flight?
@waitew This is a simple straw man argument. You basically make stuff up. Pretend someone else said it, then argue against the non-existant comments that you made up.
you must not be motivated by the truth, or else you wouldnt resort to fallacies like this, What IS your motivation?
BTW, After the penty was struck, nothing else came to DC. For somone who claims to know it so well, you dont see to know much.
@EdgemanLL2 No strawman.If Mineta didn't arrive at 9:20 ,like he told the Commission,but later after the Pentagon had been struck,as he 'suddenly' just happened to remember years later,then the plane that was being tracked 50 miles out 30 & 10 must have been another craft they were concerned about being hijacked and if you expect us to believe that another aircraft came with 10 miles of DC AFTER the Pentagon was struck & it wasn't shot down or even known until now,I call BS.
@waitew Im sorry, but it is a 100% exact straw man. Any time you start a sentence with "So youre saying..." and then just make up something that no one ever said, that is a textbook strawman.
If you cant refute what I said, just admit it. No need to use logical fallacies. There is no shame in realizing there were things you didnt know, or never considered about this
@EdgemanLL2 LOL,either Mineta arrived before the Pentagon was struck & saw them tracking FL77 or he arrived after the Pentagon was struck & saw them tracking another plane that came withing 10 miles of DC AFTER the pentagon was struck. Either way you got a problem.
@EdgemanLL2 And round & round & round it goes,it was THE official story for 3 years that NORAD knew about it at 9:24. Prove the Government wasn't telling the truth from 2001-2004 but is telling the truth now.
@EdgemanLL2 As I said round & round it goes. You say," prove they tracked FL77" and I say,"They admitted to tracking FL77 for 3 years" and you say,"prove they tracked FL77" repeat for eternity.
According to the 911 Commission they didn't know about flight 77 until AFTER it hit the Pentagon.How then could they be tracking it from 50 miles out?Someone within this Government is lying and the fact the 911 'debunkers' aren't interested in such an important question PROVES that there not motivated by finding the Truth but only supporting the official story even when it can be proven to be a lie.They're intentionally helping to cover up 911.Patriots are afraid of they truth.They look for it.
@EdgemanLL2 Gee,maybe cos Mineta said they were tracking the,"plane that hit the Pentagon" 50miles out,30 miles out,10 miles out and the plane that hit the Pentagon was FL77.I know your official story better than you do.I know the only place you can go and going there will open doors for me.Someone in this Government is lying.You get to choose who to pin the lie on depending on how you choose to defend it.But 'the Governments telling the truth' aint an option here.I'll be back.
But Id first point out (in a 16 ton checkmate) Mineta also has always maintained 911 was an outside job. So if Norm is your trusted source, youve already lost.
However, Norm also admits that it was impossible for to have even been IN the PEOC before flight 77 even hit.
watch?v=mGI5BmNd7AE&feature=related
So given that he couldnt have been in the PEOC until well after 77 hit, how can he have witnessed them tracking 77 inbound?
@EdgemanLL2 Mineta seemed to be of the opinion in 2004 THREE YEARS AFTER,that not only could he have been but was there BEFORE the Pentagon was struck.So,for 3 years when it WAS THE OFFICIAL STORY that they knew about FL77 before the Pentagon was struck (Until the Commission changed the notification times) he said he was there before & that now the official story has changed ,so has Minetas?I think reasonable people will find that suspect.So,you're saying Mineta lied to the Commission in 2004?
@waitew Ill bypass yet another 16 ton checkmate, and NOT point out that Panetta is the Govt, and you sure seem certain that the govt is telling the truth this time. Funny. I thought that wasnt an option?
Huh ::shrugs:::
However, in the interview I referenced you to, Minetta confirms that he was still on West Exec Ave when the buildings were evacuated.
The evacuation was aprox 0940-0945, in response to the penty hit.
Unless Minetta can go back in time its doubtful he was there.
@EdgemanLL2 I take it then you are willing to admit that when Mineta told the Commission in 2004 he arrived at 9:20 AM (17 minutes before the Pentagon strike) that he was lying? Three years is a Long time to get you're story straight. Memories fade.It took the Commission 3 years to get their STORY straight.Meanwhile,Mineta was out telling the truth.When the Commission's fairy tale disagreed with The truth Mineta was forced to concoct a lie.No motive to lie 2001-2004 afterward motive
@waitew I dont know if he was lying. Since perception of time is the first thing to go when youre stressed, high, or in adrenalin situations, its perfectly believable that he took a guess, guessed 0920, and honestly believed it.
But the larger point is that you asked me to speak to the cotnradiction where the govt was tracking 77 inbound, then later denied that it did so. When asked why you believed they had tracked 77, you (so far) offered only a guy who gives us cause to believe he...
@EdgemanLL2 Actually,I do.Mineta's testamony isn't the only thing that has changed (pattern) according to both FAA & Norad they knew about FL77 at 9:24AM.THIS WAS THE OFFICIAL STORY FOR 3 YEARS.The Commission changed the notification times.So,it isn't just Mineta changing his story it's the entire story.I find it hard to believe that after having been evacuated because the Pentagon was hit,he'd go sit with Cheney & think it was BEFORE it was hit!Pentagon hit=BIG NEWS.Not easy forgot
@waitew "the govt is telling the truth" isnt an option, remember?
Also, knowing that the plane has been hijacked is NOT the same as knowing where it is. Flying low, as it did, without a transponder, its easily lost in ground clutter.
So, basically all you can do is repeat the claim, you cant show me that they actually DID track the plane.
@EdgemanLL2 Which plane flying low without a transponder?You do know the flight path of 77 don't you?It was at 7,000'-8,000' before it began it's spirling descent into the 'catchers mitt' (google that one) of the Pentagon.That was OVER DC not 50,30 or even 10 miles out.Both the original story (notification times) & Mineta's original testamony have them knowing about FL77 well in advance of the Pentagon strike.Why should we believe them now?
@waitew Sure, his original "story" might have. But we dont really know if his "origianl" was accurate, since (third time for the slower students in the class) he has given cause to believe he was still on West Exec ave at 0945.
Actually, it was never over DC. Penty is in VA, its not in the district itself. It approached from the West. VA is west of DC, btw.
Wow, for someone who claims to know the offical story better than anyone, you dont seem to know much. ::shrug::: Weird
@EdgemanLL2 It came within 2 miles of the White House which is how many seconds away from impact at 500= MPH? And there seems to be a bit a of controversy surrounding the exact flight path. And no way you slice it Muneta either lied in 2004 or he's lying now.He had NO motive to lie before the Commission changed the official story.Afterward he did.Why did it take him over 3 years to 'remember' he was evacuated because the Penty was struck? before he meet Cheney?Explain that.
@EATACOCK whats wrong with the VERY FEW fam members getting used by the kooks is that they are in the bargaining stage of grief.
The better question is "what is wrong with the kook movement, that they would stoke the grief of a fam member, denying them closure FOREVER, by promising them something the Kooks know is a lie--proof of an inside job."
Hey,what were doing doing tracking FL77 50 miles out when according to the official story of today (there's several you know) they didn't even know about it until after it crashed?Of course between 2001 & 2004 did know about it (Fl175 too) & scrambled fighter in time to stop it.But that's the 2nd official.According to the 1st no fighters were scrambled until after the Pentagon was struck.Which official story are you guys defending?Or do you just make it up as you go along?
@EdgemanLL2 Without the Patriot Act, the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq would have failed. Given normal due process, I would have shouted truth from the rooftops and exposed them all.
@EdgemanLL2 Cheney is NOT in the chain of command and has NO authority to either stand down or order a shoot down. I'll tell you this though. The 911 fighter pilots (Duffy etc.) all say they NEVER got shoot down authorization at any time that day. And the order that was issued at 10:00 AM wasn't relayed to the pilots by one conspirator we know Col. Robert Marr Commander at NEADS. Care to discuss Marr's other obstructions on that day?
@waitew Actually, he is in the chain of command. However, if your claim was correct, then obviously the Kookspiritards are FOS, and there was no stand down orders.
And of no shootdown order was ever given, then this would further prove that no stand down order would ever have been issues.
@EdgemanLL2 I agree Cheney didn't issue a stand down.However,no shoot down is a de-facto stand down. Actually,there was never any chance a fighter would incept any of the 911 planes.They had a man at NEADS delaying scrambles,keeping fighters on the ground & insuring they'd NOT get mission orders & decoy plane (phantom FL11) to lure the fighters away from DC in the event everything else failed.
@EdgemanLL2 The truth Movement has asked what the standing order was & has speculated it was a stand down.I don't suppose you know what that order was,do you?I don't run so please don't accuse me of that,but I notice you're very good at not answering questions I've ask of you. Why is that? So,what were they doing tracking FL77 50 miles out when according to the official that didn't even know about it until after it crashed? Can you answer that? Why are they lying about 911?
@waitew False. The 911 Treason movement has deliberately lied. They claimed, and you hear Bermass state it plainly, that Minetta testified that he heard a driect stand down order.
But, as you admit, this is an obvious lie because (if youre correct) 1) He couldnt be ordering ANYTHING, and 2) If no shoot down order was given, no stand down order was necc.
I notice you arent very good at answering my original question.
Why does the 911 shithead movement LIE and pretend a stand down??
@EdgemanLL2 Would you agree that it is a legitimate question to ask how they could be tracking FL77 (the plane that struck the Pentagon) from 50 miles out,when the 911 Commission claims they did not even know about FL77 until AFTER it crashed?Someone within this Government is lying and after 2 wars & the complete shredding of the Constitution we deserve to know who & why!You must NOT be motived by TRUTH is your not even interested in such an important question.What is your motivation
Actually the stand down order is not what's in question. What's in question is Norman's testimony establishes Dick C. in the bunker at 9:27 and he says he wasn't there until after 10. But Norman M watched this conversation take place with Dick C and this kid, but Dick says he wasn't there to have that conversation in the first place. Obviously someone is lying right? Most likely it's DICK.
wait a minute, the reality is that they saw the plane coming, and they didnt shoot it down, because it did hit the pentagon. so there must have been some order given to leave the plane alone, or cheney refused to give a shoot down order. either of these are the possibility unless he gave the order but planes didnt reach it in time, in which case he is to blame for incompetence!
This video doesn't change the fact that september 11th was an inside job meant to expand the military industrial complex and hide crimes that the American government was involved in.
@x30xSabresFan Reason? GOD. Guns, Oil, Drugs. We keep society in fear and slavery and watch the world burn to keep making money, as our society is unsustainable in the modus it operates.
So we're supposed to believe a foreign object was heading towards the Pentagon in the USA, a country that spends more money on defense than all other countries of the world combined, into restricted air space and Dick Cheney is fully aware of this fact and is asked, "Do the orders still stand?," and this is supposed to mean the orders to shoot them down? How about scrambling the fighter jets out into the Atlantic, which is what they did. Good going Dick! None of this is incriminating. Noooooooo!
@Moreofthesamez Your thinking way to hard. When a buildings top 15 floors fall onto a weakened structure, the shock and extra weight is going to break through the other floors.
@x30xSabresFan if your responce was in regards to the WTC situation, the designers calculated for over redundancy up to as stated in the reports from 1964 up to 2000% of load so the collapsing floors should have just poured over the sides or sat squished on the non collapsed area after all the floors below weren't structurally compramised in the slightest, unless...... :-)
@x30xSabresFan The top floors did not fall onto the lower flowers. They toppled over. Go take a physics class. The lower floors provided resistance. It's impossible for the building to proceed straight down that fast without extra help. Danish scientists already studied the dust and found nano-thermite. The secret is out.
@buzzybeemarketing The "Free fall theory" is incorrect. Which seems to seem like what your pointing at, It takes 9.22 seconds for the Towers (from the top to bottom) to hit the ground. Do you know how long it took the South tower? 19 Seconds. Do you know how long it took the North tower? 22 seconds. It is physicaly impossible. It is called physics, and I do know a thing or two ;)
Btw No Thermite bomb has ever been used to take down a building. CONTINUED NEXT COMMENT
@x30xSabresFan First of all, how do you know how long they took with all that dust in the way. All I can see is explosion charges going off just a little bit slower than free fall speed. Then there were horizontal ejections many floors below the supposed pancake zone, which would be even faster than free fall speed (9.2 m/s). That's impossible according to laws of physics if your pancake theory is true.
@buzzybeemarketing PS. just because youre too stupid to understand the laws of physics doesnt mean what happened on 911 violated them. Just some free advice.
@EdgemanLL2 I was building bread board when I was 7. Programming computers in assembly language. I slept through Physics class in High School and aced it. Your response is the unintelligent one. Not mine.
@buzzybeemarketing LOL. You can claim to be albert fuxing eistein if you want to. Wont change reality.
Reality is that just because youre too stupid to understand it isnt proof that it didnt happen.
Consequently, any proclamations you make about what "cant happen" are irrelevant. Especially in light of peer-reviewed science that proves it absolutely CAN happen, in perfect accordance with the understanding of physics.
@buzzybeemarketing You go by the sound and different shots of the buildings. The second falling tower was hard, but if you used the recording from inside the second tower that fell. Kind of simple.
Those "ejections" are puffs of air coming from the falling floors through the elevater shafts then out the weakest point (windows).
But remember, the only thing holding the building was the center column, as the outter walls were destroyed and cannot hold a building up, providing less resistence.
@x30xSabresFan Yep, the entire building was built around an incredibly strong core set of columns which should have stayed standing according to your theories. And those puffs of air were happening several several stories below any free fall speed rate. Concrete just doesn't explode into dust either. You saw concrete clouds almost immediately.
False. according to the guy who actually built the fuxing things, neither the core, nor the ext cols could stand alone. The floor trusses served a cross-bracing purpose that allowed each to support the other.
The "puffs" of air are exhausts, as air is compressed downward. Easily confirmed by the intensity of the exhausts increasing as the collapse wave compresses downward.
Did you analyze the cloud for composition? or just guess?
@EdgemanLL2 1. I watched the interview of the architect. He never said that. 2. The air didn't compress downwards. The air blew out the side of each floor as each floor collapsed hence the outward projections. 3. Scientists confirmed the dust was mostly concrete.
You are not making any progress. You just make me even more suspicious.
4) I dont have to make progess. The world already agrees with me. Youre the one who needs to change peoples views. not me.
Even if you argue "to a tie" and stubbornly refuse everything. the fact is when we both turn off our computers and go out into the real world, youre the kook that everyone laughs at, and no one takes seriously.
@EdgemanLL2 So there are 100's hundreds of interviews with the architect who designed the building? umm huh. You act like the entire top of the building compressed air downward which is just not true. Both building had spin and the tops fell off to an angle. The air did not compress. Each floor fell one at a time and the air was blown out the side hence the horizontal projections. You just don't know what you are talking about. Care to keep making up interviews and wild theories?
@buzzybeemarketing And you don't hear what you would normaly hear for bombs. No multiple explosions in consecutive order, as bombs in Buildings would go off. As no single bomb would be enough to take out this building, and complete unity is almost near impossible on this scale. and all of the evidence pointing to it being 100% true terroist attack.
Feel free to give me any theorys, im good at finding flaws ;)
@x30xSabresFan If complete unity is near impossible? Then how did the building fall down in complete unity? There were 3 different sets of core columns, all with different strengths. Yet, the building fell down synchronously without any sway or sideways momentum.
@buzzybeemarketing Easy. Physics. When steel, heated to the 880 degree temp that was in the building, weakens. That means it can no long hold the weight it used to be able to. This means that holding JUST the floors it used to would be a problem, adding a jet most likely didnt help. When one floor falls, the floor under it colapses with it, as it cannot hold Two floors (from both the weakening and regularly). When that falls, the one under it is carrying 2or more. Making a "pancake" effect
It ought to have been easy enough to clarify with testimony under oath and in public hearings with Cheney and Mineta both present. The name of the "young man" and his commanding officer, his job, his understanding of the situation should all have come out in a real investigation.
@Skeptard. Youve got about a week to get to ground zero for the 10 year anniversay of your Dad flying planes into the towers.
Why not be the big man in real life that you PRETEND to be online? Go up to the FDNY at ground zero and tell them how you KNOW they were part of the inside job, and cover up.
Be sure video it, and leave instructions for you next of kin to upload it.
@EdgemanLL2 Well, I see you can't address the substance of my comment! You must be a TINY little runt. Big men just do not think the way you do. I know!
@EdgemanLL2 Big men do not have the obsessions that this runt, Edgeman, has. Fifty years ago in elementary school nasty little runts would not leave me alone because I was the biggest guy in my class. I had to hurt them, which made me feel like a bully.
@Skeptic121 A big man would go to Ground Zero next week, and tell the FDNY that you know they are covering up the murder of 340 of their brothers. But, youre a tiny, tiny girly man.
BTW, in 1 week, it will be the 10 year anniversary of the last time you had an orgasm. Celebrate it by being the man in real life you pretend to be online. Go to Ground Zero. man-up. Set those firefighters straight.
Or, just be a pussy and cry about me some more. your choice
Do you mean 2 planes hit the WTC and DC was left unprotected? Did the 911 Commission ask who else was in the room,who the young man was? Why did Cheney meet with the Commission in a closed session? The plane not planes or fighter jets word was used..singular. Bush and Cheney admitted on 911 that they had to shoot down a plane and............I guess the govt was acting out the Keystone Cops that day. Bullshit
@EdgemanLL2 That's the point. Some orders were given for something. So either our jet fighters missed a commercial airliner (sarcasm) or they kept asking 3 times if we should still shoot down the planes. How close were they going to let the plane get before asking a 4th time if they should still shoot the plane down? 1 mile? come on. get real.
@EdgemanLL2 Then why didn't Cheney testify to the commission that the orders were to shoot down the plane(s)? He later admitted in an interview on TV he ordered a shoot down. Was it because he would be questioned why it took him so long to respond after 3 planes had already struck? And where was the plane 10 miles out from? Shanksville? Camp David was no where near the flight 93 crash site. That does not make sense. Did they think the target was some rural town in PA?
@EdgemanLL2 Mineta said he did not know what the order was for. So does your .0000001% chance actually apply. True probably would be 50/50. You do not sound analytical.
He said that at the time he first heard that exchange he didnt know what it was. But at the time of his testimony he knew what they were discussing. The shoot down order. He couldnt be clearer.
Q: Were you there when the shoot down order was given?
A" I was not. I became aware of it when....."
Note that he does NOT say "I still have no idea what they were talking about."
@EdgemanLL2 You are the one who is wrong. Go back and watch the testimony. He said he only knew the order was given around time of Pentagon event. He never said he knew conclusively what the order was for. He said he only concluded it was a shoot down order after seeing flight 93 crashed in PA. You are flat out wrong.
@buzzybeemarketing Simply a lie. He never said "I never knew conclusively what it was."
Fact remains unchanged. At some point AFTER hearing the exhange, and BEFORE the testimony, he found out what that order was. It was the shoot down order. And his testimony couldnt be clearer.
@EdgemanLL2 I am getting tired or rebutting you. You remind me of one those Fox/MSNBC interviewer who don't even listen and make stuff up. He clearly said he basically concluded it might have been a shoot down order. That is paraphrasing. I didn't quote him. I am going to find someone else to debate that actually listens and has some kind of critical and analytical thought process.
If by rebutting you mean "lying to" I can see your point.
You say "he basically says..." and then make up whatever you want? sorry, thats bullshit. He said what he said. you dont get to make up what you WISH he said.
Unless you think 1) hes too fuxing stupid to know what he lived through, youre just going to have to accept the FACT that b) it was a shoot down order.
@EdgemanLL2 1) You didn't watch the testimony. He did say mention possible shoot down after seeing flight 93: Paraphrased. Go back and watch. 2) Air would follow the path of least resistance. So I guess that's why the air decided to travel down multiple floors and skip all the other ones it could have found a window to blow out. And since it was so much air being compressed, it only needed 2-3 windows here and there to escape. I don't trust people who have to exaggerate to prove a point.
@buzzybeemarketing "I don't trust people who have to exaggerate to prove a point."
And I dont trust people who have to LIE about what Mineta said, to make a point. So what?
watch?v=QEhNLzN_q5k&feature=channel_video_title
When you watch that video, at the 00:22 mark you see the collapse. The dust could is created, WHY? Because the descending mass shoves air out of the way.
@buzzybeemarketing The easiest place is through an open elevater shaft. When the air hits, say an eleveter or some type of "clog" it goes out the side (the windows)
Do you mean 2 planes hit the WTC and DC was left unprotected? Did the 911 Commission ask who else was in the room,who the young man was? Why did Cheney meet with the Commission in a closed session? The plane not planes or fighter jets word was used..singular. Bush and Cheney admitted on 911 that they had to shoot down a plane and............
Debunking every single 9/11 conspiracy theory, one at a time. haha what a fucking joke you couldnt even debunk this so called conspiracy theory, never mind any of the others.
@ANDREWOFPR2 - This is what "truthers" put forward as proof of a stand down order. Clearly that is not the case. There is no mention of a stand down order or anything close to it. The truthers are the ones making the claim there was a stand down order therefore it falls to them to prove this. So prove it or accept the fact you have no proof whatsoever. You can not simply keep making claims without evidence.
@DARTHMOBIUS First off, right off the bat, your wrong. The job NORAD has is to prevent, and put together a Attack all at the same time, if we get hit with an WMD.
If you didnt know, Those planes, as the video said, were ten minutes away no possible shot for the Fighters.
Order still stands = Bushs shoot down order (because the Vice President cant overule bush ;) = No Time.
@x30xSabresFan, wrong no, over generalised yes lol press statements covered NORAD's 'upgrade' to covering civil to terrorist situations at that time, also changes to operational mandates by the creation of enhanced command structures where EL Prezidente can be bypassed, those responce Jets can & do carry Raytheon fire and forget missiles to strike targets in 120 miles if they hadn't been sent in the wrong direction they could have done the job they were set up to do.
@DARTHMOBIUS Raytheon also makes remote control tech for commercial airliners. A mysterious crash happened in Florida related to a Raytheon exec. around the time this all happened. It was reported in the news.
@x30xSabresFan 10 miles out. Not 10 minutes. Keep in mind an F 15 travels at Mach 2.5 It can fly 50 miles in the time it takes a commercial plane to travel 10 miles. And they knew the commercial plane was 50 miles out. That gave an F 15 200 miles margin. So there only excuse is they didn't have a radar lock on the commercial plane. Ok. Well, Mineta assumed Flight 93 was the plane they were talking about. ASSUMED. What target was the plane 10 miles out from? Shanksville PA?
@x30xSabresFan Yes, I see the 10 minute part. However, if they knew the plane was 80 miles out (stated in report) and orders were already given to shoot down, how did a fighter jet traveling at mach 2.5 not make it in time to protect the pentagon against an airliner/500mph? They must have missed. Pittsburgh Gazette reported mostly accountants/budget specialists were killed in that section of Pentagon. Did they ever find the missing 2+ trillion that Rumsfield reported?
@WillShakespeare2007 Actually the pentagon and its airspace any target which fails comms gets a tagged by NORAD to find out why its not talking, the F16's for this job were sent in the wrong direction and then were told not to shoot the plane down even when it was prevailant what was about to happen they had a 15 minute opportunity and could have dropped the plane out of the sky with in 6 minutes with out further colateral damage Cheney LIED ' Order still stands' = Do Nothing = Stand Down Order.
@WillShakespeare2007 There was an order to shoot down later admitted by Cheney. It took Cheney so long to respond that 3 planes struck by the time he got into the command room. And there excuse is, well, we aren't as organized as you think. Well, then how did they know how far the plane was out in terms of miles? Seems organized to me. But they took forever to respond.
@buzzybeemarketing - There is a very clear minute by minute timeline for events of 9/11. They had pass the information on from ground control to the military. The military then needs an order to intercept and shoot down the planes. They simply didn't manage to do this is time as you can see if you look at the timeline. The American government makes mistakes all the time - look at the mess they made over Katrina. Again there is no evidence of a stand down order.
@WillShakespeare2007 Actually, the minute by minute timeline is not clear. Mineta's testimony, wikipedias's timeline and the commission report all conflict. Mineta said the shoot down orders were given in reference to the pentagon attack. So our jet fighters must have missed Flight 77. And if you believe Flight 93 crashed, our jet fighters missed that plane too. But that would conflict with Cheney's admission of giving shoot down orders.
@buzzybeemarketing - But even if flight 93 was shot down this is not evidence of a stand down order. Failure to act quickly enough would certainly cause people to cover their tracks and pass the buck but again this points to nothing but poor management of the crises. I have seen no evidence whatsoever of anything but a terrorist attack.
@WillShakespeare2007 Exacty. Incompetence. They were practing multiple war games that day to deal with this exact threat. So it does not matter their intention. What matters is they failed the public. The #1 purpose for government is to protect from other organized aggressors. Instead most people have come to view the government as an excuse to transgress into other people's pockets. This is why the rich have come to view us as ants that only have the privilege to be protected.
@buzzybeemarketing - I certainly agree with that and I worked closely with one of the worlds billionaire and he was constructing a self contained site high above see level on solid rock to protect himself against what he one described as a coming catastrophe for mankind. So he certainly viewed others this way. Thought that might interest you.
@Edge: So if Mineta gave false testimony under oath before 9/11 commission you should press charges against the former minister of transportation, right?
@SertesLC So youre a pussified little bitch who was too terrified to hit "reply" because you knew weve had this exchange before, and you got bitch-slapped to Canberra for it.
Im not the one saying he gave a false statement. He confirms clearly and unambiguously that the discussion was the shoot down order. Its you pole-smokers who claim he lied, and he really heard a stand down.
so, really its YOU who needs to press charges. Or start suxing. Its all ur good for. =]
No stand down order was needed.All they needed was a few men in the 'right' places to prevent any of the planes from being intercepted on 911.Colonel Robert Marr (NEADS) orders prevented/delayed interception several times that morning.911 was an inside job.
We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. 16 What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.
@Kyles45Angel -Well its all a bit suspect - and whatever the truth is amongst all the theories. Knowing Concrete facts seems impossible in these sorts of dramas so lets listen to all the info and sieve through with open eyes. Might be nothing but on the other hand might be a major cover up?
it seems that everybody here already understand how Edgeshit is a COWARD,typical believer with no answers,only insults like a retard.
What's wrong with people who asks questions about 9/11?It seems that a lot of braiwasheds do not respect 9/11 victims and their families,they are asking for a new and real investigation,but believers don't want them to know the truth.
@bernuga It seems that every 911 kook like Bern is a cowardly pussified little bitch who wont hit "reply' before spewing her weeping vagina cowardly bullshit.
Because cowards like HER know the beatdown follows, if she tried it.
Yes edge, I'm sorry... I'm sorry for you: you just learnt that 9/11 Commission Report states something completely different than Mineta testimony before 9/11 Commission.
If you can accept either version, but if you accept 9/11CR you should strive to press charges against Mineta for false testimony, right?
@SertesLC Right. which means if Cheney was in the tunnel, he COULDNT have arrived at the PEOC yet. Which Means Mineta MUST have been mistaken in remembering this scenario as flight 77.
Since Cheney hadnt even BEEN to the PEOC (according to YOUR SOURCE) he wouldnt have been there to give ANY orders regarding 77.
Mineta confirms it. The discussion WAS the shoot down order. No getting around it. Sorry =]
In fact Cheney gave 2 orders. One: a Stand-down order (evidence: he was in command and aware when AA77 was 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out... at that time "did the order still stand?" "of course the order still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?" and THEN AA77 HIT THE PENTAGON).
Later that same day on UA93 was issued a Shoot-down order.
Point is 9/11 Commission Report on page 40 defies Mineta testimony (Cheney was outside PEOC when the difference on AA77 could be made)
I keep watching this vide oover and over. I still cant fidn the part where Mineta says "I heard cheney gve a stand down order.
Cany any Kook show me that?
EdgemanLL2 1 week ago
@EdgemanLL2 Bingo. It appears that one requirement for believing a conspiracy theory is poor listening skills, poor reading skills, and abysmal reasoning skills, coupled with below average knowledge of math, science, and engineering. They seem unable to weigh the claims and counter claims and come up with the right answer, even after something as simple as a mathematical demonstration of the truth. It's a bit like playing Whack-a-Mole with the C- students.
skysurfer5cva 14 hours ago
This video Debunks nothing, and here is why. All fighters have friend or Foe ID signals. They knew the fighters location. They also knew the location of the Hijacked aircraft as it was coming to D.C. So why would the Male aid even ask about an order standing or not if there is no chance of the Fighter being able to execute the order? The aid would have told Cheney that the Fighter is not in range of the Hjkd aircraft. It can only be a stand down order because the pentigon was hit.
spidermancereal 3 weeks ago
@spidermancereal Youre speaking well above your intellect.
1) Mode 4 IFF does nothing to locate the airplane.
2) Mineta is clear and unambigous that this discussion was the shootdown order.
So, it DOES 100% irrefutably debunk the retards who pretend Mineta tstified to a stand down order. He, in fact, confirmed the exact opposite,.
EdgemanLL2 3 weeks ago
@EdgemanLL2 So you play the "smart ass- dumb ass" roll in the hit parade of ignorance on display daily with RKO's numerous trips on this treasonous train tour.
MrNoblemanoflove 3 weeks ago
@MrNambla <---More crying!
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 3 weeks ago
@EdgemanLL2
This mythical CIA asset is now supposedly dead. I guess he won't be having anymore dinners with the military industrial complex.
CIA And Pentagon Asset Anwar Al Awlaki Dined At Pentagon Months After 9/11
MrNoblemanoflove 3 weeks ago
@MrNamblamanoflove Yeah, Id ask for proof of that.
But like the cams at the pentagon, and all the other lies youve peddled, you will just ignore the request, and lie about something else.
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 3 weeks ago
@EdgemanLL2 Missles and bombs at the Pentagon?...
See YT......911 TRUTH:Cheney/Rumsfeld Black Operation at Pentagon..15:00 long..
Those looking for the missing 2.3 trillion go missing...
and other loyal military men....
MrNoblemanoflove 3 weeks ago
@MrNamblamanoflove an unaccounted for stansaction is NOT missing money. In fact its the exact opposite. Not that your GED-failing uneducated ass would know the difference.
=]
EdgemanLL2 3 weeks ago
Obama/Barry hires lawyers to block access to all of his basic background. His own family cannot get it right which hospital he was born in. His computer generated his birth certificates are reported to be 100% forgeries. The media protects him. The courts protect him. Politicians protect him. Who has that kind of power, none other than who JFK really tried to warn all of us about.
OMG!! The (HIDDEN SPEECH OF JFK) dire warning... /watch?v=pDe6QCqFu4c
EATATROLL 1 month ago
Bush Caught Lying About September 11th
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
@EATACOCK More troll crying,
More Edge winning!
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
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@EdgemanLL2 After your mom gets it in the ass he calls it a win, LMFAO DESTROYER OF TROLLS LIKE THIS ONE I AM...
Nezello 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 No body cries & no body wins.It's just like I told him. The Government lied about 911 & he'd get to choose who to pin the lie on depending on how he choose to defend the lie. He chose to pin the lie on Mineta in 2004.But just like I said. He'd have to admit to a lie & pin it on someone. I'd say that's win for me.
waitew 1 month ago
NATGEO SPEWING LIES ABOUT 9/11...
/watch?v=VvXGnbsaRN0
DUMB BLONDE KNOWS 9/11 WAS AN (INSIDE JOB)...
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
EASILY MAKE AN ASS OUT OF TROLLS WATCH: Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
Let's see,you expect us to believe that after the Pentagon was struck an unidentified & possibly hijacked plane came with in 10 miles of DC and no knows what it was?Rubbish.We'd all know the flight number because it would have been shot down.That's THE best,most unbelievable lie that anyone has come up with yet! Tell me then,what was this flight?
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew This is a simple straw man argument. You basically make stuff up. Pretend someone else said it, then argue against the non-existant comments that you made up.
you must not be motivated by the truth, or else you wouldnt resort to fallacies like this, What IS your motivation?
BTW, After the penty was struck, nothing else came to DC. For somone who claims to know it so well, you dont see to know much.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 No strawman.If Mineta didn't arrive at 9:20 ,like he told the Commission,but later after the Pentagon had been struck,as he 'suddenly' just happened to remember years later,then the plane that was being tracked 50 miles out 30 & 10 must have been another craft they were concerned about being hijacked and if you expect us to believe that another aircraft came with 10 miles of DC AFTER the Pentagon was struck & it wasn't shot down or even known until now,I call BS.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew Im sorry, but it is a 100% exact straw man. Any time you start a sentence with "So youre saying..." and then just make up something that no one ever said, that is a textbook strawman.
If you cant refute what I said, just admit it. No need to use logical fallacies. There is no shame in realizing there were things you didnt know, or never considered about this
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 LOL,either Mineta arrived before the Pentagon was struck & saw them tracking FL77 or he arrived after the Pentagon was struck & saw them tracking another plane that came withing 10 miles of DC AFTER the pentagon was struck. Either way you got a problem.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew But that is YOUR conclusion. No one else said that YOU did.
The problem isnt mine. YOU have to prove the govt really did track 77. So far youve got nothing other than "the govt is telling the truth!"
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 And round & round & round it goes,it was THE official story for 3 years that NORAD knew about it at 9:24. Prove the Government wasn't telling the truth from 2001-2004 but is telling the truth now.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew The burden of proof is on the claiamnt.
If YOU claim tjhey tracked the plane, YOURE the only one who has to prove it. Demanding someone prove a negative is another logical fallacy.
If you tell me the metropolitarian area in whch you live, I could reccomend a nice Jr college for you
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 As I said round & round it goes. You say," prove they tracked FL77" and I say,"They admitted to tracking FL77 for 3 years" and you say,"prove they tracked FL77" repeat for eternity.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew OK they also admitted 911 was an outside job.
If "they" are your source, you lose.
Period.
What else you got?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@waitew search: Pentagon attack papers...
this stump edge is here for one reason...
FOR THOSE WHO STILL DOUBT....SEE YT: (2012 BRAND NEW) DEMOLITION OF THE WTC TOWERS- WHAT WAS USED? (MUST SEE)...23MIN. 39 SEC.
MrNoblemanoflove 3 weeks ago
And suddenly, the Kook goes silent.
Go figure.
lololol
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
According to the 911 Commission they didn't know about flight 77 until AFTER it hit the Pentagon.How then could they be tracking it from 50 miles out?Someone within this Government is lying and the fact the 911 'debunkers' aren't interested in such an important question PROVES that there not motivated by finding the Truth but only supporting the official story even when it can be proven to be a lie.They're intentionally helping to cover up 911.Patriots are afraid of they truth.They look for it.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew Right. so again the question.
Why assume they WERE tracking 77 inbound, if they saif they werent?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
tick tock...tick tock...
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Gee,maybe cos Mineta said they were tracking the,"plane that hit the Pentagon" 50miles out,30 miles out,10 miles out and the plane that hit the Pentagon was FL77.I know your official story better than you do.I know the only place you can go and going there will open doors for me.Someone in this Government is lying.You get to choose who to pin the lie on depending on how you choose to defend it.But 'the Governments telling the truth' aint an option here.I'll be back.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew OK, Progress.
But Id first point out (in a 16 ton checkmate) Mineta also has always maintained 911 was an outside job. So if Norm is your trusted source, youve already lost.
However, Norm also admits that it was impossible for to have even been IN the PEOC before flight 77 even hit.
watch?v=mGI5BmNd7AE&feature=related
So given that he couldnt have been in the PEOC until well after 77 hit, how can he have witnessed them tracking 77 inbound?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Mineta seemed to be of the opinion in 2004 THREE YEARS AFTER,that not only could he have been but was there BEFORE the Pentagon was struck.So,for 3 years when it WAS THE OFFICIAL STORY that they knew about FL77 before the Pentagon was struck (Until the Commission changed the notification times) he said he was there before & that now the official story has changed ,so has Minetas?I think reasonable people will find that suspect.So,you're saying Mineta lied to the Commission in 2004?
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew Ill bypass yet another 16 ton checkmate, and NOT point out that Panetta is the Govt, and you sure seem certain that the govt is telling the truth this time. Funny. I thought that wasnt an option?
Huh ::shrugs:::
However, in the interview I referenced you to, Minetta confirms that he was still on West Exec Ave when the buildings were evacuated.
The evacuation was aprox 0940-0945, in response to the penty hit.
Unless Minetta can go back in time its doubtful he was there.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 I take it then you are willing to admit that when Mineta told the Commission in 2004 he arrived at 9:20 AM (17 minutes before the Pentagon strike) that he was lying? Three years is a Long time to get you're story straight. Memories fade.It took the Commission 3 years to get their STORY straight.Meanwhile,Mineta was out telling the truth.When the Commission's fairy tale disagreed with The truth Mineta was forced to concoct a lie.No motive to lie 2001-2004 afterward motive
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew I dont know if he was lying. Since perception of time is the first thing to go when youre stressed, high, or in adrenalin situations, its perfectly believable that he took a guess, guessed 0920, and honestly believed it.
But the larger point is that you asked me to speak to the cotnradiction where the govt was tracking 77 inbound, then later denied that it did so. When asked why you believed they had tracked 77, you (so far) offered only a guy who gives us cause to believe he...
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
cont) ..cause to believe he was still on his way to the WH at 0945.
So, in matter of proving that the govt actually tracked 77 inbound, this is woefully insufficient.
Do you have anything else that can confirm the govt tracked 77 inbound? Or was Mineta all you had?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Actually,I do.Mineta's testamony isn't the only thing that has changed (pattern) according to both FAA & Norad they knew about FL77 at 9:24AM.THIS WAS THE OFFICIAL STORY FOR 3 YEARS.The Commission changed the notification times.So,it isn't just Mineta changing his story it's the entire story.I find it hard to believe that after having been evacuated because the Pentagon was hit,he'd go sit with Cheney & think it was BEFORE it was hit!Pentagon hit=BIG NEWS.Not easy forgot
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew "the govt is telling the truth" isnt an option, remember?
Also, knowing that the plane has been hijacked is NOT the same as knowing where it is. Flying low, as it did, without a transponder, its easily lost in ground clutter.
So, basically all you can do is repeat the claim, you cant show me that they actually DID track the plane.
Repeating the claim isnt proving the claim.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
Cont) so as the matter of proof the plane was tracked inbound, ALL you can to is repeat the claim and wish it was true.
So, to the answer of your question, its really not a legitimate question, because the premise of the question assumes facts not in evidence.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Which plane flying low without a transponder?You do know the flight path of 77 don't you?It was at 7,000'-8,000' before it began it's spirling descent into the 'catchers mitt' (google that one) of the Pentagon.That was OVER DC not 50,30 or even 10 miles out.Both the original story (notification times) & Mineta's original testamony have them knowing about FL77 well in advance of the Pentagon strike.Why should we believe them now?
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew Sure, his original "story" might have. But we dont really know if his "origianl" was accurate, since (third time for the slower students in the class) he has given cause to believe he was still on West Exec ave at 0945.
Actually, it was never over DC. Penty is in VA, its not in the district itself. It approached from the West. VA is west of DC, btw.
Wow, for someone who claims to know the offical story better than anyone, you dont seem to know much. ::shrug::: Weird
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 It came within 2 miles of the White House which is how many seconds away from impact at 500= MPH? And there seems to be a bit a of controversy surrounding the exact flight path. And no way you slice it Muneta either lied in 2004 or he's lying now.He had NO motive to lie before the Commission changed the official story.Afterward he did.Why did it take him over 3 years to 'remember' he was evacuated because the Penty was struck? before he meet Cheney?Explain that.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew. LOL, he has no motive to lie NOW. Sorry, but just because you want him to be lying now really doesnt prove that he us.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@waitew So, to first try to answer your question, we first need to unpack its basic premise, and establish if the underlying facts are correct.
On what basis are you insisting that they WERE tracking flight 77 inbound to DC?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
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@EdgemanLL2 OH NO YOU BETTER NOT CALL THE VICTIMS FAMILIES KOOKS WHO MADE THE COMMERCIAL:
WTC 7 — Remember Building 7 Commercial (9/11 Truth)
/watch?v=7TT016ORlxU
YOU POS TROLL....
EATATROLL 1 month ago
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EASILY MAKE AN ASS OUT OF TROLLS WATCH: Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
Bush Caught Lying About September 11th
/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60
EATATROLL 1 month ago
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
(((HOLY SHIT))) 9/11 victims’ families made a TV commercial asking for our help!!
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE FAMILY MEMBERS QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENTS OWN 9/11 CONSPIRACY STORY:
(((2))) planes knock down (((3))) skyscrapers (((molten metal furnaces'))) underneath all 3 trade center buildings of debris rubble for (((6 weeks))).
WTC 7 — Remember Building 7 Commercial (9/11 Truth)
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
@EATACOCK whats wrong with the VERY FEW fam members getting used by the kooks is that they are in the bargaining stage of grief.
The better question is "what is wrong with the kook movement, that they would stoke the grief of a fam member, denying them closure FOREVER, by promising them something the Kooks know is a lie--proof of an inside job."
Ooops
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 eatacocksuckingTROLL
Bush Caught Lying About September 11th
/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60
EASILY MAKE AN ASS OUT OF TROLLS WATCH: Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
EATATROLL 1 month ago
@EATATROLL <--Troll cries.
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
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EATATROLL 1 month ago
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@EdgemanLL2 After your mom gets it in the ass he calls it a win, LMFAO DESTROYER OF TROLLS LIKE THIS ONE I AM...
EATATROLL 1 month ago
Hey,what were doing doing tracking FL77 50 miles out when according to the official story of today (there's several you know) they didn't even know about it until after it crashed?Of course between 2001 & 2004 did know about it (Fl175 too) & scrambled fighter in time to stop it.But that's the 2nd official.According to the 1st no fighters were scrambled until after the Pentagon was struck.Which official story are you guys defending?Or do you just make it up as you go along?
waitew 1 month ago
Wow. Ive watched this vid at least a dozen times. Never once did I hear Norm say "I heard Cheney say "order the fighters to stand down!"
Why does the 911 treason movement lie so much?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Without the Patriot Act, the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq would have failed. Given normal due process, I would have shouted truth from the rooftops and exposed them all.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew So, you agree then. Cheney never really said to stand down the fighters, and the 911 treason movement lies.
Understood.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Cheney is NOT in the chain of command and has NO authority to either stand down or order a shoot down. I'll tell you this though. The 911 fighter pilots (Duffy etc.) all say they NEVER got shoot down authorization at any time that day. And the order that was issued at 10:00 AM wasn't relayed to the pilots by one conspirator we know Col. Robert Marr Commander at NEADS. Care to discuss Marr's other obstructions on that day?
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew Actually, he is in the chain of command. However, if your claim was correct, then obviously the Kookspiritards are FOS, and there was no stand down orders.
And of no shootdown order was ever given, then this would further prove that no stand down order would ever have been issues.
Congratulations. You debunked yourself.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 I agree Cheney didn't issue a stand down.However,no shoot down is a de-facto stand down. Actually,there was never any chance a fighter would incept any of the 911 planes.They had a man at NEADS delaying scrambles,keeping fighters on the ground & insuring they'd NOT get mission orders & decoy plane (phantom FL11) to lure the fighters away from DC in the event everything else failed.
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew "I agree Cheney didn't issue a stand down"
So, to my original question, why does the Kook movement lie, and pretend he did?
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
Oddly, the kooks are always silent right about now....
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 The truth Movement has asked what the standing order was & has speculated it was a stand down.I don't suppose you know what that order was,do you?I don't run so please don't accuse me of that,but I notice you're very good at not answering questions I've ask of you. Why is that? So,what were they doing tracking FL77 50 miles out when according to the official that didn't even know about it until after it crashed? Can you answer that? Why are they lying about 911?
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew False. The 911 Treason movement has deliberately lied. They claimed, and you hear Bermass state it plainly, that Minetta testified that he heard a driect stand down order.
But, as you admit, this is an obvious lie because (if youre correct) 1) He couldnt be ordering ANYTHING, and 2) If no shoot down order was given, no stand down order was necc.
I notice you arent very good at answering my original question.
Why does the 911 shithead movement LIE and pretend a stand down??
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
@EdgemanLL2 Would you agree that it is a legitimate question to ask how they could be tracking FL77 (the plane that struck the Pentagon) from 50 miles out,when the 911 Commission claims they did not even know about FL77 until AFTER it crashed?Someone within this Government is lying and after 2 wars & the complete shredding of the Constitution we deserve to know who & why!You must NOT be motived by TRUTH is your not even interested in such an important question.What is your motivation
waitew 1 month ago
@waitew OK, so you cant defend the lies of the kook movement. So you want to change the subject.
Understood.
EdgemanLL2 1 month ago
So wait, the pentagon can't scramble planes to protect itself when they know in advance that a plane is coming for them (at least 50 miles out) ?
idontfkinknow1234 1 month ago
Gee, still sounds exactly like a stand-down order to me.
Government shill videos.
Kill0Your0TV 3 months ago in playlist More videos from RKOwens4
it was stand-down order you prick
dxvxvx 3 months ago
RKOwens4, you're way off pal.
joescarafone 3 months ago
Actually the stand down order is not what's in question. What's in question is Norman's testimony establishes Dick C. in the bunker at 9:27 and he says he wasn't there until after 10. But Norman M watched this conversation take place with Dick C and this kid, but Dick says he wasn't there to have that conversation in the first place. Obviously someone is lying right? Most likely it's DICK.
AlwaysSomething 3 months ago
wait a minute, the reality is that they saw the plane coming, and they didnt shoot it down, because it did hit the pentagon. so there must have been some order given to leave the plane alone, or cheney refused to give a shoot down order. either of these are the possibility unless he gave the order but planes didnt reach it in time, in which case he is to blame for incompetence!
mikefan09 3 months ago
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American Fighter Pilot: There are hijacked planes on the loose, permission to shoot down.
Norman Mineta: STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN!
American Fighter Pilot: but...
Norman Mineta: NO "BUTS" DO NOT SHOOT DOWN THOSE PLANES!
RKOwens4: there was no stand down order.
MAKES TOTAL SENSE RIGHT?
theFunnierWill211187 4 months ago
Debunking 911 Shitheads. So easy, even a caveman can do it.
CavemanTruth 4 months ago in playlist Liked
This video doesn't change the fact that september 11th was an inside job meant to expand the military industrial complex and hide crimes that the American government was involved in.
ssnickelfritz 4 months ago
@ssnickelfritz Please, give me one reason we would kill thousands of our own people, and attack itself (penitgon)?
Btw, the number of people inlisted in the army hasnt gone up ;)
And what crimes if they havent done anything?
And "theorys" you have you would like me to break? Im good at that ;)
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan Reason? GOD. Guns, Oil, Drugs. We keep society in fear and slavery and watch the world burn to keep making money, as our society is unsustainable in the modus it operates.
DARTHMOBIUS 2 months ago
So we're supposed to believe a foreign object was heading towards the Pentagon in the USA, a country that spends more money on defense than all other countries of the world combined, into restricted air space and Dick Cheney is fully aware of this fact and is asked, "Do the orders still stand?," and this is supposed to mean the orders to shoot them down? How about scrambling the fighter jets out into the Atlantic, which is what they did. Good going Dick! None of this is incriminating. Noooooooo!
tadpoleposition 4 months ago
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North Tower: How do 15 stories of a building crush 95 stories below them in 100% opposition to Newton's Third Law?
Newton's Third Law in action, 50% of the building destroys the other 50%: watch?v=syzKBBB_THE
Moreofthesamez 4 months ago
@Moreofthesamez Your thinking way to hard. When a buildings top 15 floors fall onto a weakened structure, the shock and extra weight is going to break through the other floors.
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan Oh really? And what weakened the structure?
Moreofthesamez 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan if your responce was in regards to the WTC situation, the designers calculated for over redundancy up to as stated in the reports from 1964 up to 2000% of load so the collapsing floors should have just poured over the sides or sat squished on the non collapsed area after all the floors below weren't structurally compramised in the slightest, unless...... :-)
DARTHMOBIUS 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan The top floors did not fall onto the lower flowers. They toppled over. Go take a physics class. The lower floors provided resistance. It's impossible for the building to proceed straight down that fast without extra help. Danish scientists already studied the dust and found nano-thermite. The secret is out.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing The "Free fall theory" is incorrect. Which seems to seem like what your pointing at, It takes 9.22 seconds for the Towers (from the top to bottom) to hit the ground. Do you know how long it took the South tower? 19 Seconds. Do you know how long it took the North tower? 22 seconds. It is physicaly impossible. It is called physics, and I do know a thing or two ;)
Btw No Thermite bomb has ever been used to take down a building. CONTINUED NEXT COMMENT
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan First of all, how do you know how long they took with all that dust in the way. All I can see is explosion charges going off just a little bit slower than free fall speed. Then there were horizontal ejections many floors below the supposed pancake zone, which would be even faster than free fall speed (9.2 m/s). That's impossible according to laws of physics if your pancake theory is true.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing PS. just because youre too stupid to understand the laws of physics doesnt mean what happened on 911 violated them. Just some free advice.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 I was building bread board when I was 7. Programming computers in assembly language. I slept through Physics class in High School and aced it. Your response is the unintelligent one. Not mine.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing LOL. You can claim to be albert fuxing eistein if you want to. Wont change reality.
Reality is that just because youre too stupid to understand it isnt proof that it didnt happen.
Consequently, any proclamations you make about what "cant happen" are irrelevant. Especially in light of peer-reviewed science that proves it absolutely CAN happen, in perfect accordance with the understanding of physics.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing You go by the sound and different shots of the buildings. The second falling tower was hard, but if you used the recording from inside the second tower that fell. Kind of simple.
Those "ejections" are puffs of air coming from the falling floors through the elevater shafts then out the weakest point (windows).
But remember, the only thing holding the building was the center column, as the outter walls were destroyed and cannot hold a building up, providing less resistence.
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan Yep, the entire building was built around an incredibly strong core set of columns which should have stayed standing according to your theories. And those puffs of air were happening several several stories below any free fall speed rate. Concrete just doesn't explode into dust either. You saw concrete clouds almost immediately.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing "should have stayed standing"
False. according to the guy who actually built the fuxing things, neither the core, nor the ext cols could stand alone. The floor trusses served a cross-bracing purpose that allowed each to support the other.
The "puffs" of air are exhausts, as air is compressed downward. Easily confirmed by the intensity of the exhausts increasing as the collapse wave compresses downward.
Did you analyze the cloud for composition? or just guess?
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 1. I watched the interview of the architect. He never said that. 2. The air didn't compress downwards. The air blew out the side of each floor as each floor collapsed hence the outward projections. 3. Scientists confirmed the dust was mostly concrete.
You are not making any progress. You just make me even more suspicious.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing dude, there are hundreds of interviews. And its not really an item in dispute.
1) Its why they built it the way they did. Core advanced 1-2 floors up. Then set the premiter cols, then the floor trusses to brace it.
2) the descending mass MUST push the air beneath it out of the way. Physics 101. Hence, the compression and subsequent exhausts.
3) How were the scientists able to jump through their TVs, up 800 feet, and collect the samples to be analyzed?
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
4) I dont have to make progess. The world already agrees with me. Youre the one who needs to change peoples views. not me.
Even if you argue "to a tie" and stubbornly refuse everything. the fact is when we both turn off our computers and go out into the real world, youre the kook that everyone laughs at, and no one takes seriously.
Even if we "tie" I still win. =]
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 So there are 100's hundreds of interviews with the architect who designed the building? umm huh. You act like the entire top of the building compressed air downward which is just not true. Both building had spin and the tops fell off to an angle. The air did not compress. Each floor fell one at a time and the air was blown out the side hence the horizontal projections. You just don't know what you are talking about. Care to keep making up interviews and wild theories?
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Yeah. 100's might be a wee exaggeration. But certainly more than youll ever find on Y.
I never said the whole building compressed downward. But Gravity (duh) requires that the mass comes down. And it HAS to shove air out of the way.
You were HALF right. You did sleep through physics......
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing And you don't hear what you would normaly hear for bombs. No multiple explosions in consecutive order, as bombs in Buildings would go off. As no single bomb would be enough to take out this building, and complete unity is almost near impossible on this scale. and all of the evidence pointing to it being 100% true terroist attack.
Feel free to give me any theorys, im good at finding flaws ;)
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan If complete unity is near impossible? Then how did the building fall down in complete unity? There were 3 different sets of core columns, all with different strengths. Yet, the building fell down synchronously without any sway or sideways momentum.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Easy. Physics. When steel, heated to the 880 degree temp that was in the building, weakens. That means it can no long hold the weight it used to be able to. This means that holding JUST the floors it used to would be a problem, adding a jet most likely didnt help. When one floor falls, the floor under it colapses with it, as it cannot hold Two floors (from both the weakening and regularly). When that falls, the one under it is carrying 2or more. Making a "pancake" effect
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
It ought to have been easy enough to clarify with testimony under oath and in public hearings with Cheney and Mineta both present. The name of the "young man" and his commanding officer, his job, his understanding of the situation should all have come out in a real investigation.
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Skeptard. Youve got about a week to get to ground zero for the 10 year anniversay of your Dad flying planes into the towers.
Why not be the big man in real life that you PRETEND to be online? Go up to the FDNY at ground zero and tell them how you KNOW they were part of the inside job, and cover up.
Be sure video it, and leave instructions for you next of kin to upload it.
Dont puss out now, coward!
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Well, I see you can't address the substance of my comment! You must be a TINY little runt. Big men just do not think the way you do. I know!
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Skeptic121 OK, so youre going to puss out?
Understood.
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 What's it like going through life as a TINY little runt? Hating big men? It must be awful, you poor little mutant.
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Skeptic121 <--Cries about Edge. she HATES being exposed by better men than she. =]
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Big men do not have the obsessions that this runt, Edgeman, has. Fifty years ago in elementary school nasty little runts would not leave me alone because I was the biggest guy in my class. I had to hurt them, which made me feel like a bully.
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Skeptic121 A big man would go to Ground Zero next week, and tell the FDNY that you know they are covering up the murder of 340 of their brothers. But, youre a tiny, tiny girly man.
BTW, in 1 week, it will be the 10 year anniversary of the last time you had an orgasm. Celebrate it by being the man in real life you pretend to be online. Go to Ground Zero. man-up. Set those firefighters straight.
Or, just be a pussy and cry about me some more. your choice
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 DAMN, you ARE an evil dwarf!
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Tiny121 So you chose to pussy out and whine about instead?
Understood.
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
Do you mean 2 planes hit the WTC and DC was left unprotected? Did the 911 Commission ask who else was in the room,who the young man was? Why did Cheney meet with the Commission in a closed session? The plane not planes or fighter jets word was used..singular. Bush and Cheney admitted on 911 that they had to shoot down a plane and............I guess the govt was acting out the Keystone Cops that day. Bullshit
muttkat 5 months ago
@muttkat Where does Mineta say "I heard Cheney stand down the fighters?"
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 If anyone wants to know what Dick Cheney meant then all they have to do is ask Dick Cheney what Dick Cheney meant.
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@Skeptic121 Translation: Twoofers LIE when they claim Mineta testified to a stand down order.
EdgemanLL2 4 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 That's the point. Some orders were given for something. So either our jet fighters missed a commercial airliner (sarcasm) or they kept asking 3 times if we should still shoot down the planes. How close were they going to let the plane get before asking a 4th time if they should still shoot the plane down? 1 mile? come on. get real.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Exactly. Thats the point. No where does Mineta ever say "I heard cheney stand down the fighters."
Therefore, given context of the question, on a fuxing MORON would pretend Mineta's testimony is even 0.000001% proof of one.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Then why didn't Cheney testify to the commission that the orders were to shoot down the plane(s)? He later admitted in an interview on TV he ordered a shoot down. Was it because he would be questioned why it took him so long to respond after 3 planes had already struck? And where was the plane 10 miles out from? Shanksville? Camp David was no where near the flight 93 crash site. That does not make sense. Did they think the target was some rural town in PA?
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."
Fact, the question was 100% umistakeable. Norm was asked when he became aware of the SHOOT DOWN ORDER. PERIOD.
FACT: Norm was clear and unambiguous in that he was testifying to when he bacame aware of the SHOOT DOWN ORDER. PERIOD.
FACT: He never refers to a stand down order. PERIOD.
Asking "then why this?" or "Why that?" is meaningless and does ZERO to refute the FACTS.
PERIOD.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 You aren't making any logical sense.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Mineta said he did not know what the order was for. So does your .0000001% chance actually apply. True probably would be 50/50. You do not sound analytical.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing "Mineta said he did not know what the order was for"
Wrong again. Poor girl. =[
He said that at the time he first heard that exchange he didnt know what it was. But at the time of his testimony he knew what they were discussing. The shoot down order. He couldnt be clearer.
Q: Were you there when the shoot down order was given?
A" I was not. I became aware of it when....."
Note that he does NOT say "I still have no idea what they were talking about."
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 You are the one who is wrong. Go back and watch the testimony. He said he only knew the order was given around time of Pentagon event. He never said he knew conclusively what the order was for. He said he only concluded it was a shoot down order after seeing flight 93 crashed in PA. You are flat out wrong.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Simply a lie. He never said "I never knew conclusively what it was."
Fact remains unchanged. At some point AFTER hearing the exhange, and BEFORE the testimony, he found out what that order was. It was the shoot down order. And his testimony couldnt be clearer.
Really. It couldnt be.
Really. =]
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 I am getting tired or rebutting you. You remind me of one those Fox/MSNBC interviewer who don't even listen and make stuff up. He clearly said he basically concluded it might have been a shoot down order. That is paraphrasing. I didn't quote him. I am going to find someone else to debate that actually listens and has some kind of critical and analytical thought process.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing "I am getting tired or rebutting you"
If by rebutting you mean "lying to" I can see your point.
You say "he basically says..." and then make up whatever you want? sorry, thats bullshit. He said what he said. you dont get to make up what you WISH he said.
Unless you think 1) hes too fuxing stupid to know what he lived through, youre just going to have to accept the FACT that b) it was a shoot down order.
Decide once and for all. A or B?
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 1) You didn't watch the testimony. He did say mention possible shoot down after seeing flight 93: Paraphrased. Go back and watch. 2) Air would follow the path of least resistance. So I guess that's why the air decided to travel down multiple floors and skip all the other ones it could have found a window to blow out. And since it was so much air being compressed, it only needed 2-3 windows here and there to escape. I don't trust people who have to exaggerate to prove a point.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing
1) parphrased = "I made up what I wished he really meant." Irrelevant
2) Yes. so it WOULD be squirted out any opening it could find, as the descending mass comes down.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing "I don't trust people who have to exaggerate to prove a point."
And I dont trust people who have to LIE about what Mineta said, to make a point. So what?
watch?v=QEhNLzN_q5k&feature=channel_video_title
When you watch that video, at the 00:22 mark you see the collapse. The dust could is created, WHY? Because the descending mass shoves air out of the way.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing The easiest place is through an open elevater shaft. When the air hits, say an eleveter or some type of "clog" it goes out the side (the windows)
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 He doesn't. But he also says he didn't know what the order was for. So you are equally making an assumption.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Wrong, He said "at the time I didnt know...."
But, when asked by Lee Hamilton, he is CLEAR what the order was. 100% unmistakeable. It was the shoot down order.
Period.
EdgemanLL2 2 months ago
Do you mean 2 planes hit the WTC and DC was left unprotected? Did the 911 Commission ask who else was in the room,who the young man was? Why did Cheney meet with the Commission in a closed session? The plane not planes or fighter jets word was used..singular. Bush and Cheney admitted on 911 that they had to shoot down a plane and............
muttkat 5 months ago
Debunking every single 9/11 conspiracy theory, one at a time. haha what a fucking joke you couldnt even debunk this so called conspiracy theory, never mind any of the others.
ANDREWOFPR2 5 months ago
@ANDREWOFPR2 - This is what "truthers" put forward as proof of a stand down order. Clearly that is not the case. There is no mention of a stand down order or anything close to it. The truthers are the ones making the claim there was a stand down order therefore it falls to them to prove this. So prove it or accept the fact you have no proof whatsoever. You can not simply keep making claims without evidence.
WillShakespeare2007 4 months ago
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DARTHMOBIUS 3 months ago
@DARTHMOBIUS First off, right off the bat, your wrong. The job NORAD has is to prevent, and put together a Attack all at the same time, if we get hit with an WMD.
If you didnt know, Those planes, as the video said, were ten minutes away no possible shot for the Fighters.
Order still stands = Bushs shoot down order (because the Vice President cant overule bush ;) = No Time.
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan, wrong no, over generalised yes lol press statements covered NORAD's 'upgrade' to covering civil to terrorist situations at that time, also changes to operational mandates by the creation of enhanced command structures where EL Prezidente can be bypassed, those responce Jets can & do carry Raytheon fire and forget missiles to strike targets in 120 miles if they hadn't been sent in the wrong direction they could have done the job they were set up to do.
DARTHMOBIUS 2 months ago
@DARTHMOBIUS Raytheon also makes remote control tech for commercial airliners. A mysterious crash happened in Florida related to a Raytheon exec. around the time this all happened. It was reported in the news.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan 10 miles out. Not 10 minutes. Keep in mind an F 15 travels at Mach 2.5 It can fly 50 miles in the time it takes a commercial plane to travel 10 miles. And they knew the commercial plane was 50 miles out. That gave an F 15 200 miles margin. So there only excuse is they didn't have a radar lock on the commercial plane. Ok. Well, Mineta assumed Flight 93 was the plane they were talking about. ASSUMED. What target was the plane 10 miles out from? Shanksville PA?
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing Excuse my misstakes, typing quick as im doing this on many comments :)
They were talking about how far the plane was from the pentigon btw
and the order he was talking about was Bushs "Shoot Down" order, which said that any COMFIRMED aircraft hijacked was able to be shot down.
And if say he was talking about a "Do not shoot"
Why would our government attack its self? Answer me that.
x30xSabresFan 2 months ago
@x30xSabresFan Yes, I see the 10 minute part. However, if they knew the plane was 80 miles out (stated in report) and orders were already given to shoot down, how did a fighter jet traveling at mach 2.5 not make it in time to protect the pentagon against an airliner/500mph? They must have missed. Pittsburgh Gazette reported mostly accountants/budget specialists were killed in that section of Pentagon. Did they ever find the missing 2+ trillion that Rumsfield reported?
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
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@WillShakespeare2007 Actually the pentagon and its airspace any target which fails comms gets a tagged by NORAD to find out why its not talking, the F16's for this job were sent in the wrong direction and then were told not to shoot the plane down even when it was prevailant what was about to happen they had a 15 minute opportunity and could have dropped the plane out of the sky with in 6 minutes with out further colateral damage Cheney LIED ' Order still stands' = Do Nothing = Stand Down Order.
DARTHMOBIUS 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 There was an order to shoot down later admitted by Cheney. It took Cheney so long to respond that 3 planes struck by the time he got into the command room. And there excuse is, well, we aren't as organized as you think. Well, then how did they know how far the plane was out in terms of miles? Seems organized to me. But they took forever to respond.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing - There is a very clear minute by minute timeline for events of 9/11. They had pass the information on from ground control to the military. The military then needs an order to intercept and shoot down the planes. They simply didn't manage to do this is time as you can see if you look at the timeline. The American government makes mistakes all the time - look at the mess they made over Katrina. Again there is no evidence of a stand down order.
WillShakespeare2007 2 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Actually, the minute by minute timeline is not clear. Mineta's testimony, wikipedias's timeline and the commission report all conflict. Mineta said the shoot down orders were given in reference to the pentagon attack. So our jet fighters must have missed Flight 77. And if you believe Flight 93 crashed, our jet fighters missed that plane too. But that would conflict with Cheney's admission of giving shoot down orders.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing - But even if flight 93 was shot down this is not evidence of a stand down order. Failure to act quickly enough would certainly cause people to cover their tracks and pass the buck but again this points to nothing but poor management of the crises. I have seen no evidence whatsoever of anything but a terrorist attack.
WillShakespeare2007 2 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Exacty. Incompetence. They were practing multiple war games that day to deal with this exact threat. So it does not matter their intention. What matters is they failed the public. The #1 purpose for government is to protect from other organized aggressors. Instead most people have come to view the government as an excuse to transgress into other people's pockets. This is why the rich have come to view us as ants that only have the privilege to be protected.
buzzybeemarketing 2 months ago
@buzzybeemarketing - I certainly agree with that and I worked closely with one of the worlds billionaire and he was constructing a self contained site high above see level on solid rock to protect himself against what he one described as a coming catastrophe for mankind. So he certainly viewed others this way. Thought that might interest you.
WillShakespeare2007 2 months ago
The dislikes on this video is proof that you havent proved fucking nothing
ANDREWOFPR2 5 months ago
how the fuck does this Video debunk anything
ANDREWOFPR2 5 months ago
@Edge: So if Mineta gave false testimony under oath before 9/11 commission you should press charges against the former minister of transportation, right?
SertesLC 6 months ago
@SertesLC So youre a pussified little bitch who was too terrified to hit "reply" because you knew weve had this exchange before, and you got bitch-slapped to Canberra for it.
Im not the one saying he gave a false statement. He confirms clearly and unambiguously that the discussion was the shoot down order. Its you pole-smokers who claim he lied, and he really heard a stand down.
so, really its YOU who needs to press charges. Or start suxing. Its all ur good for. =]
EdgemanLL2 6 months ago
No stand down order was needed.All they needed was a few men in the 'right' places to prevent any of the planes from being intercepted on 911.Colonel Robert Marr (NEADS) orders prevented/delayed interception several times that morning.911 was an inside job.
waitew 6 months ago
We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. 16 What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.
ZZ0rr0 6 months ago
@ZZ0rr0 Yeah there were war games going On? So what? Wtf do you think the military does to train LMAO. You guys are so funny and entertaining.
Kyles45Angel 6 months ago
@Kyles45Angel -Well its all a bit suspect - and whatever the truth is amongst all the theories. Knowing Concrete facts seems impossible in these sorts of dramas so lets listen to all the info and sieve through with open eyes. Might be nothing but on the other hand might be a major cover up?
ZZ0rr0 6 months ago
it seems that everybody here already understand how Edgeshit is a COWARD,typical believer with no answers,only insults like a retard.
What's wrong with people who asks questions about 9/11?It seems that a lot of braiwasheds do not respect 9/11 victims and their families,they are asking for a new and real investigation,but believers don't want them to know the truth.
bernuga 6 months ago
@bernuga It seems that every 911 kook like Bern is a cowardly pussified little bitch who wont hit "reply' before spewing her weeping vagina cowardly bullshit.
Because cowards like HER know the beatdown follows, if she tried it.
Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 6 months ago
@SertesLC Right, YOU just learned that (based on YOUR TRUSTED SOURCE) Minetta could not POSSIBLY have heard a stand down order regarding flight 77.
1) Im not a prosecutor, so I cant press charges on ANYONE
2) False testimony contemplates that the person is intending to be deceptive, not just that they have a bad memory.
Swing and a miss!
EdgemanLL2 6 months ago
Yes edge, I'm sorry... I'm sorry for you: you just learnt that 9/11 Commission Report states something completely different than Mineta testimony before 9/11 Commission.
If you can accept either version, but if you accept 9/11CR you should strive to press charges against Mineta for false testimony, right?
SertesLC 6 months ago
Am I making it up? Read 9/11 Commission Report page 40-41, then: "[The V.P.] He learned in the tunnel that the pentagon has been hit"
Then get back and comment
SertesLC 6 months ago
@SertesLC Right. which means if Cheney was in the tunnel, he COULDNT have arrived at the PEOC yet. Which Means Mineta MUST have been mistaken in remembering this scenario as flight 77.
Since Cheney hadnt even BEEN to the PEOC (according to YOUR SOURCE) he wouldnt have been there to give ANY orders regarding 77.
Mineta confirms it. The discussion WAS the shoot down order. No getting around it. Sorry =]
EdgemanLL2 6 months ago
In fact Cheney gave 2 orders. One: a Stand-down order (evidence: he was in command and aware when AA77 was 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out... at that time "did the order still stand?" "of course the order still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?" and THEN AA77 HIT THE PENTAGON).
Later that same day on UA93 was issued a Shoot-down order.
Point is 9/11 Commission Report on page 40 defies Mineta testimony (Cheney was outside PEOC when the difference on AA77 could be made)
SertesLC 6 months ago
@SertesLC In fact youre simply making ship up, with zero foundation for what you claim.
911 Truth <--Delusions of adequacy. =]
EdgemanLL2 6 months ago
Post the entire quote, then we'll see.
SertesLC 6 months ago