@ktyday OMG are you serious? Do you honestly believe that urban legend about cats suffocating people in their sleep? If you do then I can't take anything else you say seriously and you probably shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision. Also, nowhere did I say or imply that cats of any kind can be "trained not to hunt"---hell, my pet Burmese will catch anything from snakes to gophers so is not allowed to roam free outside. Did you completely miss my point on purpose?
I think a lot of people who have posted here don't seem to realise that these big cats can't go in to the wild. Yes its easier for them to say "release them back in to the wild if that's where they belong" but they weren't born for that reason. They weren't born in' a live or die environment where they start learning as soon as they open their eyes they were bred for money making purposes. Thank you BCR for looking after these cats that don't belong in back yards or sadly, even in the wild.
I live in alberta and there's alot of wildlife here x3there's always a deer in are backyard x3 i look forward to watching them they are soooo cute ^-^ and they dont bother us sometimes for a treat me and my sister give them a slice of a apple :)
I must say after reading months worth of back and forth, BCR is truly unbelievable. You can't just spout out made up statistics and pass them off as fact. I mean where do you people get the brass balls to be the only people to know what's good for an exotic pet. These people remind me of the horse in family guy that argues that kevin Bacon was not in Footloose. Lol. Or the people that made reefer madness.
I appreciate the basic tenets orginizations such as yours follow and agree with them to an extent. I however personally would urge education regarding behavior, natural habitat, and cost associated with owning/careing for an animal for its lifespan. Not to mention the risks to safety involved, over out right baning ownership. If you have the education and sustainable income to care for and provide a suitable environment to one of these beautiful creatures I see no reason to forbid doing so
Servals are dangerous? Not in any sense are they as potentially dangerous as the average Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Doberman, Pit Bull etc. Do you get my point? There are far more large dogs in shelters than any other type of domestic animal---most of them are euthanized simply because of their size. People want little "pocket dogs" for pets more than the larger breeds so they are "disposable". Come on people---let's tell the whole story here.
@Kiangagirl We're not playing the compare game here, were just stating a fact that yes servals are wild animals and can be dangerous. Obviously they're not as dangerous as tigers and lions which people can own legally in the USA either.
@Kiangagirl Rottweiler? German Shepards? Most of these dogs are in no way naturally aggressive, nor are they natural hunters. They are domesticated dogs that can be perfect family dogs. Most aggressive dogs that cause severe damage are either dogs trained to be aggressive or dogs that have been treated very badly.
Even though servals might not always pose a danger to you most people can't care for the animals. It's not always a question if the animal is dangerous or not, it's about their needs.
Whether you define this as a placement or rescue the cat is in a much better situation to live out her remaining days. Her environment her at Big Cat Rescue with plants, fresh air, climbing locations, enrichment is far superior to any apartment set up.
Call it what it is. It is a placement, not a rescue. In addition, African Servals are not considered to be a large cat, they are called a "lesser cat" due to the fact that they are one of the smaller wildcats. They have been domesticated at least from the time of the Pharaohs. There is a huge difference between a rescue and a placement.
well when you did your physical on Servie was there any indication that she was abused or malnourished or had slight mis-growth due to being in a cage 24/7. If you answer "no" to all these questions this cat was probably just fine. . what I'm saying is you can take the Serval away and give it a good life but don't make up accusations about common ownership of them.
@cartergirl3of3 We believe that any WILD species of cat confined to a small apartment for life is wrong/abusive, these cats roam hundreds of square miles in the wild.
@BigCatRescue So putting them in a age is better? Besides, who says that all people who own servals live in apartments? What if they have a huge backyard and take them for walks everyday?
I know someone that has owned a serval as a pet for over 15 years. She never sprays anywhere and is pretty much just a very big cat, on steroids, heck she's as affectionate if not more than my own domestic cat. You are not the ultimate authority on the matter, even though what you do is admirable. If you want to put yourselves out of business, stop giving the impression to people that it's impossible to care for a Serval except in the way you do it.
@Nocturnae80 Sure it's possible, but the fact remains it's not usually that way. To think that anyone can take a wild animal and provide for it is just not right. I have an internet 'friend' who has a Serval in her home, but this woman has NO LIFE because she has dedicated every moment to taking care of her cat, making sure she's happy and healthy. Most people CANNOT take on the responsibility REQUIRED and should not own a wild animal just because they have money or they want to have it.
so... you keep all of these animals... you take "care" of them... and yet, you believe that no one else should be allowed to? you are a fake. if you can care for these animals, no one else has the ability to? so you people are the only ones on this planet that actually care for exotic animals? fake. you care for all of these animals to the best of your ability, why cant one person care for their animal to the best of their ability? just because you represent a "cause", it is ok? YOU ARE A FAKE.
@StrawberryMooses Our ultimate goal is to put ourselves out of business, we wish we didn't have to exist but we do and without us our residents would be in far worse situations or dead.
@BigCatRescue I've raised this point before, but it bares repeating... you do yourselves a dis-service by giving such obviously biased "information". Give a fair, honest and true summary of the situation and people will be much more likely to respect and follow your advice. Your summary of Savannah cats was reprehensible, and tried to give the impression that a SBT pet savannah cat is every bit as wild, and un-sociable as an un-socialised Serval... Nothing could be further from the truth.
@StrawberryMooses Any animal can be domesticated without mentally harming them, yet people like this think that it's as bad as pit bulls fighting for human profit. Good thing that they take them from fur farms? Yes. But, taking away a pet? ANYTHING, can be domesticated. If it loves its master there should be no problem. A tiger as a pet in an apartment I can understand as it's huge, but put it into a farm sized environment, it's fine.
But, people like this will never understand how things are.
@BigCatRescue I'm sorry that my favorite animals are lynxes. And no I wouldn't keep one as a pet, but still. It's possible, but apparently to, -ANIMAL KEEPERS- That makes absolutely no sense at all, now doesn't. Imposible.
A friend of mine in Nova Scotia (Canada) has a pet duck because it just had a liking to the guy, it's a WILD animal that was "domesticated"
A friend from there also has a pet Squirrel.
But nope. No wild animals are able to be domesticated.
@AleuLeighLyco jelly of what? what were you responding to? i cant find the comment that you replied to. so right now idk what i'm jelly of. please specify so i know what i am jelly of.
@AleuLeighLyco oh no i said it because if others cant own them in a "right" way then why can they? depending on where you live, you can own exotic animals. it's just that bcr feels that it is more "just" if THEY own the animals instead of private owners. most private owners are well able to care for their animals and their animals are very happy. brc tells people the most sad and unlikely of stories about rescued animals. the majority of exotic animal owners care and bcr doesn't tell you that.
@kozmon0t Servals or any wild cat species will never be truly domesticated, they will always have their wild instincts. Servals in the wild are solitary, they like their own space and Servie as lots of room to roam around in, we provide her with enrichment to play with and she's very happy at BCR :)
@BigCatRescue That's ridiculous. It's been recently proven that through selective breeding for tameness, any animal breed can be domesticated in just a short number of generations. Have you never heard of those Dogs? Oh, that's right, Gray Wolf. Oh, and there's that little 'silver fox experiment' that after less than half a century produced floppy eared, playful, multicolored happy foxes that act like dogs?
I can't believe so many people are trying to defend the people who stuff exotic cats in apartments. That's not what they were designed for. Notice that the professionals at BCR don't event TOUCH the cats unless they're sedated. And that is what you want as a pet? Because people can't just settle with a regular cat (because that's too mainstream) thousands of cats go without homes and BCR has to take care of cats like this one who will never be able to have a full life.
@MightBeMaybeME They don't even touch the cats regardless of the cat's desire for attention, because they are most unfortunately so stuck in their beliefs as to think an animal raised with human care and attention is still better off without it. Next you'll see them mass murdering dogs because their lives were ruined by contact with people (see PETA) and/or trying to force legislation down well-meaning people's throats to confiscate their loved "wild" animals and killing them too.
@MightBeMaybeME Also worth noting that I wholly agree that too many animals suffer in shelters while potential families pass them up for something "more exotic" but that doesn't change the fact that these cats thrive with a loving family just as any. It is a VERY closed minded belief to say that all cases are so cut-and-dry as to try to make the anti-pet argument again using a long-term hospitalized owner as an example, instead of praising a responsible owner who sought a new, good home.
@MightBeMaybeME all the people who are defending it is the reason we have this continual nightmare of exotic pets, abandoned, abused, living in squalid conditions, or else when sometime happens to the caretaker, the whole thing collapses. its unreal how completely retarded these folks are.
@shoobedoorocketship Wrong end of the spectrum, hun. I don't think you'd find one person who endorses " keep dog-sized cat in living room forever lololol." Cruelty is unacceptable to us all. But you're misconstruing our dissent with accountability. I will give out about BCR because they're lying. Netting well-intentioned animal lovers with these lies and promoting legislation that is, frankly, killing more exotics than bad owners.
This is how these organizations make money, guys. Wake up!
@FascistFemale So you think wild cat species should continue to live in crappy backyard enclosures and in houses? Not to mention the fact that people are attacked and killed by privately owned big cats each year...
@BigCatRescue I'm still confused as to how you know that all or most exotic owners keep their cats locked in "crappy backyard enclosures." Once again, do you have an average size of backyard enclosures? Frankly, I have seen private owners with much more extravagant enclosures and enrichment than the crappy cattle-wire you folks throw together with your half-ass, plastic dog houses.
@BigCatRescue Also, the average for deaths by exotic felines is 1 person per year - more are killed by tipping vending machines than the horrible danger of exotics you purport. In the past 20 years, 20 people have died from big cat attacks, a lot of them zoo-keepers, not private owners. Please note that none of the deaths were the result of attack by small to mid-size cats (lynx, serval, bobcat, etc.).
@BigCatRescue That's like saying PETA represents all animal rescue groups. You didn't even allow free commentary on this video until very recently. You REALLY want to go there? I wonder how those numbers would pale when compared to domestic animal attacks?
You're disgusting. You're liars. You're manipulative. You generate hate to fill your coffers. You, who are supposed to be the GOOD GUYS.
Exotic owners dedicate huge amounts of time, money, and love. You just supply an overrated backyard.
@FascistFemale Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean that we're insane. I get what you are saying, that not all big cat owners are bad. But the truth is that for every big cat that is in BCR, there's a bad owner who wasn't able to care for it or be responsible enough to handle it. BCR doesn't take cats from people, they accept them when people buy them and then don't take the time to care for them. They send the message out to not purchase big cats because they often end up in BCR.
@MightBeMaybeME Actually, that's not exactly true...most of their cats were purchased from breeders or fur farms when they used to be "Life on Easy Street" - I encourage you to look it up and see for yourself. You might be right about other sanctuaries' stock of animals, but BCR's is mostly hype and lies. Honestly, the stock of exotic cats in refuges is relatively small compared to the thousands supposedly locked away in "crappy enclosures."
@Bluggardpirate Big Cat Rescue was founded in 1992, back then we did buy cats to get them out of bad situations such as fur farms, then began to realize that this was just fueling the trade and we no longer buy any animals we rescue. Any animals we do rescue, we require the owners to sign a contract stating that they will never own another exotic cat. We have grown and evolved over the 19 years we have been rescuing cats and it's all on our website BigCatRescue*org for everybody to see.
@Bluggardpirate There are many thousands of big cats living in backyards in the United States in terrible conditions, there are more privately owned tiger in captivity than are left in the wild. The problem is the government doesn't have the manpower to regulate and inspect all of these animals/conditions and many slip under the radar.
@MightBeMaybeME That's fine with me. I don't mean to imply that you're insane for disagreeing, I think BCR is insane for trying to cram its propaganda down our throats. That's not entirely accurate. Pets also end up in such sanctuaries because the state outlaws exotics with no grandfather clause so multitudes of pets are turned out of good homes, too. This may or may not be the case.
The 99% of exotic owners are good. BCR tells us they're not. That's unfair & contributes to the problem.
@FascistFemale 99% are good, did you just pluck this figure from the air? You cannot simply say that there is good and bad owners, whether good or bad it doesn't make it right to keep wild animals as so called "pets" You need to realize that there are thousands of exotic wild cats suffering miserable conditions in the USA, we rescue these animals and provide them the best life possible in captivity and are doing our best to stop this abuse from happening in the first place.
@BigCatRescue It's a figure of speech like "I'll give 110% today." Nice, genius. You're just making generalizations to support your position, which contributes to their suffering. Where do you think domestic species came from? WILD ONES. If you have any domestic animal you're reaping the benefits of "keeping wild animals as so called 'pets'"and are guilty by proxy. I can simply say good or bad owners. They either keep the animal happy or they don't. You just don't care, which is worst of all.
@FascistFemale When you're trying to have a factual debate stick to using facts, that's what we do. I'm well aware of the origins of domestic cats, do you think we should have the same mindset that people had thousands of years ago, or maybe evolve as a species, realize that it's ignorant and stupid to own wild cats and out an end to the abuse???
@BigCatRescue i've heard a story about a man who owned a serval and the state passed a law that illegalized them. that man had his cat ripped from his arms and he never saw him again. i cried when i read the whole story. people love their animals. its true that some do not care for them like they are supposed to be cared for but there is a great deal of people who put so much time and care into their animals. you want those people to lose their animals too? you are just like PETA..
@FascistFemale you are very right. there is a man who owns tigers at a truck stop and he cares for his animals very well. activists lied to people and said that the animals were in horrible conditions and they got everyone to play along. now the people who follow them think that they are contributing to a great cause but the fact is, if that man's animals are taken away from him, they will be moved TO the conditions described by the activists.they believe that you shouldnt have them but they can
Its terrible to think people without the facilities buy these medium to small wild animals, you wouldn't have a dog in such tiny conditions so why do people think a wild cat is fine. I think the danger of wild animals being killed is a concern for animal lovers but donate money to a wildlife charity and only if people have the room, finance and facilities should they then consider buying any wild animal to rear
i absolutely love all animals on this planet and i have cats, dogs, rabbits and chickens. all my animals are fantastic, loving pets but in my very honest opinion no animal has a more loving heart than a cat. my dogs are just as loving as my cats but not more so. an animal just can't be more loving than a cat. but like i said ALL my animals are amazing, loving, caring and loyal creatures. animals are the best! many humans could learn about love from animals. many humans are great too. PEACE
So, you're telling me, that you took someone's serval, completely changed her environment, and then didn't give her any of the human affection she has been used to for 10 years while her owner was in the hospital? You're almost as bad as PETA. Exotics are bred in captivity now. It's illegal to do otherwise.
Shame on you guys. People TRUST you to say the truth, but you're trading on emotional appeals as justification. The road to hell is built on good intentions--you built a highway.
@FascistFemale We don't know how Servie's owner treated her, she may have hated any attention she got and just tolerated her presence. We do know that she looks much more comfortable and at ease doing whatever she wants 24/7 in a natural outdoor enclosure with serval neighbors than being stuck in a bedroom.
@BigCatRescue Or you've just destroyed a bond that was a decade old. The point is: you don't know and you have the audacity to slander someone else because of it after swooping in to seize an animal while the caretaker is in hospital and can't argue on her (or her serval's) behalf. I don't know what's more frightening--that you act so impulsively or you're just that indifferent.
There's nothing quite as mercenary as plucking people's heartstrings for money. Disgusting.
@FascistFemale listen, stupid. if the caretaker didnt make arrangements to have her animals taken care if she became sick or died, THAT IS ENTIRELY ON HER. its the owner's responsibility, and there is NO ONE at fault but the owner. if she REALLY LOVED the animal, she would have had a fellow serval owner take it in until she got well. she also would have made sure the cat had a nice outdoor enclosure to play in. and beside, BCR was called in well after ANIMAL CONTROL took over, why blame BCR?
@shoobedoorocketship I blame BCR because they spread misinformation and villainize exotic owners, which promotes anti-exotic laws that lead to the deaths of the animals they claim to protect. State law brought in AC, who turned over to BCR, who promotes public pressure through these videos. Did it ever occur to you that the owner may have been suddenly ill or that an agenda is in play? Of course it didn't. They're supposed to be the good guys, after all. Which is the worst thing of all.
@FascistFemale WHAT misinformation is that? did or did not the woman have outdoor space for her exotic pet? and what do you mean it didnt occur to me she had a sudden illness? can you not read? she should have had lined up someone she could call to take care of her serval well in advance in case of an emergency. if she had done so NONE of this would happened. its totally her fault. if you love your pet, you provide for them.
@shoobedoorocketship That ownership = cruelty, servals are completely undomesticated (the Egyptians did), and that they can't bond to people. I can read, I'm just unimpressed by your naivete. My first critique of BCR was that they didn't know. There could've been someone lined up who wasn't allowed to take over. Read between the lines. They took an animal, permanently, with no knowledge of the owner's plans. Videos like this one just spread the bigotry. It's all third-hand info at best.
@Rosalitamaria Servals aren't domestic, no wild species of cat can ever really be called domestic, they will always have their wild instincts and therefore always be dangerous and unpredictable. They have been trained by people in the past, but the cats just tolerate people they aren't domestic :)
@BigCatRescue Agreed, they aren't truly domestic. To be fair, though, it is plainly obvious that some (videos abound on youtube) do more than "tolerate" people - they genuinely love them in return for the care and love they receive - and most any animal is capable of forming these bonds. Obviously I would never agree with keeping one locked in a room or chained in the back yard, but I would never agree with a dog being treated that way either. Conditions, not species, matter most in my eyes.
@n00b1c1d3 All the cats we rescue becomes permanent residents at the sanctuary, Servie's owner was unfit to care for her any longer and it felt really good to replace her bedroom living space with a huge natural enclosure outside :)
Does this person deserve to keep Servie? Why would you take the serval out of her new home (which is a lot nicer) and give her back to live in a stuffy 2-room apartment- where she was probably neglected anyways.
I recently went to the fresno-chafee zoo here in California. It is actually a very small zoo, but they have recently said they are going to expand a huge amount. It was very obvious that it was very small and the animal enclosures were i believe not big enough for ANY of the animals. I'm not positive it was a serval but a cat similar had very similar color and size, he was staying in an enclosure much smaller than a normal bedroom. It was obvious her was distressed.
well, whoever is right or wrong, the people at bigcatrescue ARE helping these cats and taking good care of them, so i am very glad for that! they are good hearted people and are doing what they think is right and are definately taking good care of these cats. in all of the videos i've seen the cats look as happy as the can be to me. i am very thankful for this place.
@salvolondon I agree. If she was with her owner for 10 years, I bet she does remember/miss her owner. Anyone who says cats don't get attached to their owners, is very wrong. Also, she likely got petted and attention with her owner, does she now? Cats like/need attention
I will never understand why someone would want a big cat as a pet, yeah they may be pretty, but is owning a pretty cat really worth a miserable animal that will just end up trying to kill its owner? I have four BEAUTIFUL cats (all but one are strays that we rescued) they sleep in my bed and are really playful. Who needs a pet tiger when you can have a domestic cat?
Honest to god I can't believe the selfishiness and the stupidity of exotic pet owners who think it's ok to keep these wild animals as pets. Words fail me.
My opinion is if you love big cats ..wild cats.. truely love them then you will fight to perserve them in their natural habitat not support the exotic animal trade by buying them as pets. If you want to see them up close visit the big cat rescue or local zoo if your not in florida. No one should be allowed to have them as pets... I believe people have the best intentions when they get these cats... but its easy to get over whelmed
Unfortunately some of the worst things have happened with the best intensions. I urge anyone who is considering getting a wild cat to reconsider... for the benefit of the animal. There are many domestic dogs and cats that need a loving home.. please consider adoption. Its ok to love big cats and desire to be with them and help them. Many wild life rescues allow you to volunteer which would give you a chance to help whether you work for them or donate. Preservation through education !!
Sorry for this late comment, but FINALLY someone who makes sense THANK YOU!
Why do people have the need to domesticate and rule over everything in this world? Dogs and cats have been domesticated for many many centuries. It's very clear that when you compare dogs to cats, dogs are more faithful whereas cats enjoy there time 'hunting' in the garden and being alone and sleeping. Cats still remain very unpredictable, there's probably no one who hasn't been bitten or scratched by a cat.
sorry for part two lol :P I just wanted to say that feline species are very unpredictable in general and they enjoy their freedom, they don't belong in a cage! I wouldn't even take a cat when I'd live in an apartment bc I know my former cat enjoyed the garden so much. Btw, won't they spray your whole house?
What makes you want a serval above another cat anyway? RIGHT bc you have a huge EGO and you want everyone to know you're RICH and SPECIAL and AWESOME bc u "tamed" a wild animal..
Your 100% right - if only people would understand that. Animals should never be an impulse buy, a lot of people can barely afford the proper care of their domestic pets. I think one of the big problem is the glamour hollywood adds to it.. people go see movies and shows with people interacting with them and think I want to do that.. that would be cool. But your right ego is a big part - I would rather go on a safari and see lions in the wild, rather than cage a big cat for personal satisfaction.
@MissILoveGreenALot your right! Animals should never be an impulse buy, a lot of people can barely afford the proper care of their domestic pets. I think one of the big problem is the glamour hollywood adds to it.. people go see movies and shows with people interacting with them and think I want to do that.. that would be cool. But your right ego is a big part - I would rather go on a safari and see lions in the wild, rather than cage a big cat for personal satisfaction.
Of course, because of the information in my previous post, Wikipedia warns that "For this reason, anyone taking in a serval must be willing to house and keep the serval for its entire life." This very much includes knowing how to properly care for it and keep it stimulated and happy, I would think. From what I've read, there are strict laws concerning serval ownership, and one should abide by them. If one isn't willing to fully commit to a serval's needs, one shouldn't have one for a pet.
@TheKeeper81 Exactly. Servals are very needy like dogs, or pigs. You can't expect them to lead happy lives unless they get a lot of interaction and exercise. You can legally own hybrids, however, the hybrid might have more cat in it than you'd like.
It might be a good thing that servals are classified as wild animals, because the way most people treat their legal pets makes them unsuitable for owning any kind of pet.
Whoops. I misread Wikipedia. It says, "Servals have historically been kept as pets in Africa. The Ancient Egyptians worshipped the serval as gods, and kept them as pets. Often, they will choose one member of the human family they live with to form an especially close and intense bond. However, once they have bonded with a particular human family, servals do not easily accept new owners or surroundings, and they may become quite unhappy if separated or placed with other families."
Eh? I don't understand. According to Wikipedia, Servals are traditionally kept as pets in Africa. In fact, they're known to have such strong emoitonal ties to the family they share their spaces with that they can become very unhappy when separated from their humans... I'm actually incredibly concerned for poor Servie in her new environment... she must miss her ill human, greatly... does anyone at least cuddle with her? She must surely miss being loved....
The point is that not all wild animals can be kept as pets, but some can and keeping them as pets might benefit both animal and owner as long as owners are required to be responsible.
I think that owning a dog should require the same training required to own a serval, or ocelot. If an animal functions well as a pet there is no reason to let it go extinct. In fact, it's kind of cruel to let an animal go extinct because of legislation and nothing more.
@Deliciousfarmbutter Keeping wild cats as "pets" does nothing to benefit the animals it just boosts the owners ego. These wild cat species will never go extinct they are kept in zoos around the world, privately owning these cats does nothing to help preserve the species because their genetics are not pure like zoo specimens because they are cross bred and inbred by breeders.
I didnt know where to leave a comment but I just felt the need to say. I think owning a big cat is not such a bad thing. I feel as though humans can be loving companions to these fine creatures. If they are treated well and played with taken out for walks and fed properly. I see no problem with this. Over the past two years I have been watching videos about these cats and I think they quite enjoy human company and it seems as though they couldnt be any happier.
@MrBurlwood The videos you see are the exception to the rule and these animals are always going to be wild and are always going to be unpredictable and dangerous. People who buy exotic cats are fueling the trade, exploitation and abuse of these animals. You can find out the truth about exotic "pet" ownership at our website BigCatRescue*org Thanks.
@MrBurlwood Servals can be kept a pets, but they require the same responsibility that any animal of it's size requires. A lot of wild animals simply can't be kept as pets due to size, temperament, or disease. Servals are one of the exceptions. There are quite a few wild animals you can keep as pets if you start from a young age, but don't try to extrapolate it to other species, or you might end up getting hurt.
There are pets that come from the wild and serve as great casual pets: Rats, guinea pigs, sugar gliders, slow lorises, ocelots, servals, skunks, porcupines etc.
Obviously you would vehemently argue that some of the aforementioned are "wild" and shouldn't be kept as pets, although they can function better than the other members in the list that are quite legal and ubiquitous.
Servals can lead great lives in apartments as long as their owners take them on daily walks. Yes, they can learn how to walk like a dog on a leash and can do so better than any house cat. They can easily be trained to use litter boxes and can even manage to get along with other pets if introduced at an early age.
For some sick and twisted reason the people @ BigCatRescue would rather see these animals extinct than as house pets, although there are Serval breeders and hybrid breeds available.
@Deliciousfarmbutter A wild animals that normally roam 10-30 square miles, being confined to an apartment hardly sounds like a great life! They can usually be trained at an early age, most are not that easily trained, but once they reach sexually maturity that's when they really don't want to be a house "pet" and that's usually when they get abandoned all of our almost 20 servals are former "pets" people no longer wanted.
@BigCatRescue All dogs and cats want to wander unless they get spayed/neutered, that's not exclusive to the serval. Irresponsible owners are the problem, not the servals as pets. Wild dogs do more damage to the environment than servals do and larger dogs are a lot harder to manage than they are.
Servals and large dogs have the same constraints; they are only viewed differently, because of legislation. People abandon dogs and cats on a daily basis.
@Deliciousfarmbutter Irresponsible owners and servals being kept as "pets" go hand in hand, no wild animal should be kept as a so called "pet" that's the bottom line.
@BigCatRescue Every animal can be found in the wild. There are packs of wild dogs that take care of themselves and have adapted to the environment in Russia; they are not any less wild than wolves. There are responsible owners who take care of servals as pets and both owner and animal fare well. Servals live longer as pets than in the wild given that the owner is responsible.
You just want to keep them in the wild, but they can make great pets like many other animals found in the wild.
@BigCatRescue Question. What would you prefer. Having to walk 50 miles a day to find food and make sure no one takes your land, or lay back on a nice comfy couch being given free food? When ever I see a pet Serval, they are running around playing and happily purring. Doesn't seem to me that keeping them as a pet is so bad.
How is it the owner's fault that she couldn't take care of her pet? Regardless of whether it was a serval or not the owner's cat would have lost her home if the owner was hospitalized
While I am happy Servie has a good home and is in very capable care, I dont dont the individual is a terrible owner for a serval cat as long as they provide well for it. I do not believe an apartment is perhaps the most optimal choice. I dont think its fair for you to say Servie is necessarily better off where she is, now without her lifelong companion. I will agree with you though, that care for a serval is too much for most, and I disapprove overall of people breeding them for pets.
In Japan, this beautiful cat sell for $10.000 to $20.000 each. I didn't know that this cat sold as a pet. I was a bit shocked when I found it on the internet. Anyway she is so cute and looks so happy. :)
I don't think owning exotic pets is that wrong as long as you do your homework and can provide the best possible life for whatever pet you have (for instance if I had a home with a garden that is set up similar to your enclosure there so that the animal can have as close to a natural life as well as a pet one)... this doesn't just apply to exotic pets.
-I was going to say a lot more but I ran out of space-
Servals aren't big cats. It's weird that you treat the animal like a lion when it's smaller than a golden retriever. I support servals as pets. They can't really injure humans and they can bond to their owner quite strongly.
@Okiimiru We treat all animals especially wild ones with respect, we are against private ownership of these cats because backyards and homes is not where they belong. People who buy servals are ignorant to the FACT that they are fueling the trade in these animals as so called "pets" which means more cats living miserable lives in captivity and being killed for their body parts just because someone wants to feel "special" and keep a serval :(
@BigCatRescue You said, "People who buy servals are ignorant to the FACT that they are fueling the trade in these animals as so called "pets" which means more cats living miserable lives in captivity and being killed for their body parts.."
What about people in the United States who breed servals and hand raise the kittens?
i honestly think that this cat can very eisily be a house pet provided the proper care. the way bigcatrescue keeps these cats is baiscly how a normal person would and they are keeping them as pets.. and thats what some people want to do.. so why is it okay for them to keep servals and not regualr people like myself. if they really wanted to help they wouldnt trick the serval to think that it is in th wild.. they should put it back in the wild.
@ranjodhmatharoo We don't buy any of our cats, we don't have an option, we rescue these cats from bad situations and provide them with a permanent home for the rest of their lives, these cats shouldn't be living in bedrooms and backyards no matter what "proper care" you can provide. We're also not tricking these animals, we're simply giving them a natural outdoor environment to enjoy, captive bred wild cats are very rarely released into the wild and our cats definitely cannot be.
@BigCatRescue Before any of you actually listen to how BigCatR. tries to misrepresent a domesticated serval. Watch videos of domesticated servals and see how happy they are with their owner.This animal has been domesticated for many, and then some, generations dating back to the Egyptian times. This isn't a cat like a lion or tiger that has really no history of being domesticated. Its the size of a midsized dog. If the living space you provided is good for a dog that size its fine for a serval
@thew0od We will say it agin, it's very simple wild species of cat will NEVER be domesticated. They may appear to be "domesticated" at times but then someone is attacked and killed, and who's to blame?... the WILD animal that is just being WILD not the dumb people for having a tiger in their house.
@BigCatRescue I can't believe people feed into your crap. If you would of read what i wrote. A lion or tiger pet, yeah not the best idea for a pet. Unless you have the land, training and funds needed to have a proper enclosure for when the animal reaches maturity. But you are attacking people that buy mid to small exotics that coop just fine in a domestic atmosphere.
Scientific fact that you can breed a lot of the wild out of an animal. It just takes many many generations to reach that point.
@thew0od It's a FACT that these wild species of animals remain wild, no matter what you do or what you can provide or doesn't change the FACT that these animals should never have been allowed to be privately owned. How many lost lives does it take for people to understand the problem we are trying to solve???????
@BigCatRescue More lies. I love how much you hate the FACT that people have kept these cats as pets for MUCH longer than you have been on this planet. It is fact that these cats are hardly more to manage than a large dog. In fact, if you spent more time interacting with them than tranquilizing them you'd come to that realization. It's ironic how you had to tranquilize a domestic Serval to examine it; I'm sure it could sense your evil.
@BigCatRescue That is not a real fact, just a PETA fact... Last I researched, domesticated dogs account for a higher percentage of owner deaths than exotic pets. That is in proportion to the amount owned.
Also, exotic animals are not an 'impulse buy.' When someone forks over the thousands of dollars required to have a pet such, you can be sure they are generally well prepared and knowledgable of any risk, unlike people who aquire domestic shelter animals.
@xthatwhiteguyx Your research may not be correct, big cats may not be an impulse buy, but the purchases always end in the animals leading miserable lives in someone's backyard. This as to stop.
@BigCatRescue There is no ultimatum in this world. It's not "always", just most of the time- you folks are merely the polar opposite of the other side of extremists.
There are some large cat owners out there that are able to provide the needs for their feline counterparts. Rather than putting a banhammer on large cat ownership (which will cause people to purchase them illegally from the wild even more so than what is happening now) proper
Funny about that.. In Australia its ILLEGAL to own exotic animals and NOBODY has a big cat here. If they did they would be sent to gaol as its a danger to themselves, the cats and their neighbours.
Your research is correct - in the US, dogs kill and maim far more each year, per capita, than all captive exotic species combined. Although a lot of exotic owners do their research and care for their exotics, a lot still give into their impulses and discard their purchases, giving fuel to BCR's fire, which is no doubt stoked by sensationalism.
@Bluggardpirate There is far more contact between dogs and their owners than tigers and their owners. Just because some exotic owners do their research and genuinely care about their exotic 'pets" doesn't make it right and doesn't mean that the big cats enjoy living miserable lives in backyard cages.
How do you know this? Are you keeping tabs on all big cat owners AND dog owners? I know of a lot of people that leave their dogs chained outside all day, don't feed them too well, and don't interact with them too often... Also, ALL big cats lead miserable lives in backyard cages? Do you have an average size of backyard cages? Does this include the cats in your cages?
@xthatwhiteguyx Agreed..who are they to dictate to us about cerval's? as the lady in this vid stated "cervals are a small african wild cat"..note the word "small" so they're not big dangerous cats...I support keeping em if the owner shows they have the knowledge and capacity to care for one properly
As for the big dangerous cats I'll support not keeping them for most people and even then with great reservations as I do think a very wealthy knowledgeable owner should have that right as well
@BigCatRescue You are deliberately giving inaccurate or very skewed information on small-mid exotics. Which is the wrong way to attract people to your cause. If you were more honest on the responsibilities necessary to taking care of these animals you wouldn't have people like me. making it tough to prove your cause.
@thew0od All our info and views can be backed up, true after generations and generations of breeding with domestic cats some serval + domestic hybrids seem to be fine. but does this make the process of breeding savannah cats OK? ...NO! What happens to all the cats that are not wanted, or the cats that are sold, still have their wild traits and are discarded??
@thew0od I agree with this. I hope to adopt a serval someday...(Note: it's not an impulse buy) I know it's a huge responsibility, and costs a lot to care for one for 20 years...I know I would need a large outdoor enclosure with items for mental stimulation, food for a proper diet, money for vet bills, etc...I'm responsible...I'm pretty sure the 'hissy, spitty and dangerous' description is only stress from being separated from the people that raised it.
@Inuyashafangirl2back You have to think about what is right for the animals.... even if you can provide for the cats for life, it still doesn't make it right. These are wild animals and they will ALWAYS have their wild instincts no matter what you do, this is the hissy, spitty side we see, especially when food is involved. By buying an exotic cat to keep as a "pet" you are also fueling the trade in these animals around the world and the cats are always the ones that suffer, please reconsider :(
@thew0od Glad someone else sees what I'm seeing - no discretion whatsoever in hammering the same stale points down everyone's throat. I'm glad there are people willing to devote their time and energy to helping these animals, but when they also try to use their position to force others to only do what they want they become little better than abortion clinic bombers and, indeed, many modern terrorists (see - only see things their way and won't accept obvious fact or good arguments against it).
@AJDrac ajdrac is an excellent example of the american that wacks himself out on paranoia and self indulgent fears. so because big cat rescue thinks exotics shouldnt live in bedrooms for the rest of their lives, they are going to be mass murdering dogs, they are similar to abortion clinic bombers and other terrorists? are you fucking nuts?
its quite simple people, if you are going to have this a wild animal as a pet, build the proper facilities for it.
@Okiimiru We were referring to other species of big cats that attack and kill people every year, due to the ignorance and selfishness of people who choose to own big cats in general no matter what the species serval or lion, this all adds to the exotic "pet" trade which means more animals suffering and dying.
BCR. . . I know that you guys know what you are doing. And I suspect it has to be disappointing to see folks chastising you (as a group) for removing the animal from the environment to which it had become accustomed. Keep up the good work. Some people just don't get it unless it's a larger breed, such as a lion or tiger. And sometimes not even then. :o
@BigCatRescue dont make ignorant statements like "ts nice to see we are getting through to people." Like you are the only ones educated enough to care for these animals, because you aren't. People if you want to see if a serval is a good pet for you go to sites like exocticcatz,com read about what owners say and if you can provide that kind of care you'll never regret owning one.
you know its interesting how you think its a unnesesary expense for natural plants in the enclosures when I know several Serval owners who manage to provide with an outdoor enclosure with natural african settings. You really are a hypocritical Sanctuary.
@TheSolaceDream We didn't say it was an unnecessary expense to provide Servie with plants you referred to native african plants etc... which would be silly for us to spend money on when Servie never lived in the wilds of Africa unfortunately. Servie's enclosure as plenty of plants, shrubs and hiding spots without spending money on african native trees.
I disagree completely with the notion that her first 10 years were miserable in an apartment. I can see clearly from this video that the most important part of her life is missing, the love of her owner. Cats thrive on this love and constituency. The older they get, the more important it becomes. I venture to say she is adjusted but she is not blissful and not in LOVE with a "space". My two cats live for my every move. That is what really matters to a cat. No cat is ever fully domestic.
how the hell can you get a Serval mixed up with a huge Lion? Most of the places i have looked at Servals say to keep them as indoor only pets, You just gotta give them a lot of attention. I have a 5 room house for one to run around in when i get mine.
please respond how muck do they cost????
5Imaskaterman 2 weeks ago
how much do they cost
5Imaskaterman 2 weeks ago
@ktyday OMG are you serious? Do you honestly believe that urban legend about cats suffocating people in their sleep? If you do then I can't take anything else you say seriously and you probably shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision. Also, nowhere did I say or imply that cats of any kind can be "trained not to hunt"---hell, my pet Burmese will catch anything from snakes to gophers so is not allowed to roam free outside. Did you completely miss my point on purpose?
Kiangagirl 1 month ago
I think a lot of people who have posted here don't seem to realise that these big cats can't go in to the wild. Yes its easier for them to say "release them back in to the wild if that's where they belong" but they weren't born for that reason. They weren't born in' a live or die environment where they start learning as soon as they open their eyes they were bred for money making purposes. Thank you BCR for looking after these cats that don't belong in back yards or sadly, even in the wild.
XTheMajorX 1 month ago
I live in alberta and there's alot of wildlife here x3there's always a deer in are backyard x3 i look forward to watching them they are soooo cute ^-^ and they dont bother us sometimes for a treat me and my sister give them a slice of a apple :)
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mikdre 2 months ago
I must say after reading months worth of back and forth, BCR is truly unbelievable. You can't just spout out made up statistics and pass them off as fact. I mean where do you people get the brass balls to be the only people to know what's good for an exotic pet. These people remind me of the horse in family guy that argues that kevin Bacon was not in Footloose. Lol. Or the people that made reefer madness.
mikdre 2 months ago
I appreciate the basic tenets orginizations such as yours follow and agree with them to an extent. I however personally would urge education regarding behavior, natural habitat, and cost associated with owning/careing for an animal for its lifespan. Not to mention the risks to safety involved, over out right baning ownership. If you have the education and sustainable income to care for and provide a suitable environment to one of these beautiful creatures I see no reason to forbid doing so
antinous1989 2 months ago
@antinous1989 Its those who lack such resources, that I feel have no right to own an as you call it, Exotic "pet".
antinous1989 2 months ago
Servals are dangerous? Not in any sense are they as potentially dangerous as the average Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Doberman, Pit Bull etc. Do you get my point? There are far more large dogs in shelters than any other type of domestic animal---most of them are euthanized simply because of their size. People want little "pocket dogs" for pets more than the larger breeds so they are "disposable". Come on people---let's tell the whole story here.
Kiangagirl 4 months ago
@Kiangagirl We're not playing the compare game here, were just stating a fact that yes servals are wild animals and can be dangerous. Obviously they're not as dangerous as tigers and lions which people can own legally in the USA either.
BigCatRescue 3 months ago
@Kiangagirl Rottweiler? German Shepards? Most of these dogs are in no way naturally aggressive, nor are they natural hunters. They are domesticated dogs that can be perfect family dogs. Most aggressive dogs that cause severe damage are either dogs trained to be aggressive or dogs that have been treated very badly.
Even though servals might not always pose a danger to you most people can't care for the animals. It's not always a question if the animal is dangerous or not, it's about their needs.
DecemberRegn 3 months ago
Whether you define this as a placement or rescue the cat is in a much better situation to live out her remaining days. Her environment her at Big Cat Rescue with plants, fresh air, climbing locations, enrichment is far superior to any apartment set up.
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@georgethewondermutt Thanks for the comment :)
BigCatRescue 4 months ago
Call it what it is. It is a placement, not a rescue. In addition, African Servals are not considered to be a large cat, they are called a "lesser cat" due to the fact that they are one of the smaller wildcats. They have been domesticated at least from the time of the Pharaohs. There is a huge difference between a rescue and a placement.
Selenaserval1 4 months ago
Servee, beautiful,graceful and poised beauty KEEP ON THRIVING!!!
lilbrowngirl1 5 months ago
well when you did your physical on Servie was there any indication that she was abused or malnourished or had slight mis-growth due to being in a cage 24/7. If you answer "no" to all these questions this cat was probably just fine. . what I'm saying is you can take the Serval away and give it a good life but don't make up accusations about common ownership of them.
cartergirl3of3 5 months ago
@cartergirl3of3 We believe that any WILD species of cat confined to a small apartment for life is wrong/abusive, these cats roam hundreds of square miles in the wild.
BigCatRescue 5 months ago 2
@BigCatRescue So putting them in a age is better? Besides, who says that all people who own servals live in apartments? What if they have a huge backyard and take them for walks everyday?
Skittywolf 2 months ago
Big body, Small head!
bbuubb2 6 months ago
mmm bloodsicles.
Reapent 6 months ago
I know someone that has owned a serval as a pet for over 15 years. She never sprays anywhere and is pretty much just a very big cat, on steroids, heck she's as affectionate if not more than my own domestic cat. You are not the ultimate authority on the matter, even though what you do is admirable. If you want to put yourselves out of business, stop giving the impression to people that it's impossible to care for a Serval except in the way you do it.
Nocturnae80 6 months ago
@Nocturnae80 Sure it's possible, but the fact remains it's not usually that way. To think that anyone can take a wild animal and provide for it is just not right. I have an internet 'friend' who has a Serval in her home, but this woman has NO LIFE because she has dedicated every moment to taking care of her cat, making sure she's happy and healthy. Most people CANNOT take on the responsibility REQUIRED and should not own a wild animal just because they have money or they want to have it.
onekinkstar 5 months ago
so... you keep all of these animals... you take "care" of them... and yet, you believe that no one else should be allowed to? you are a fake. if you can care for these animals, no one else has the ability to? so you people are the only ones on this planet that actually care for exotic animals? fake. you care for all of these animals to the best of your ability, why cant one person care for their animal to the best of their ability? just because you represent a "cause", it is ok? YOU ARE A FAKE.
StrawberryMooses 8 months ago 2
@StrawberryMooses Our ultimate goal is to put ourselves out of business, we wish we didn't have to exist but we do and without us our residents would be in far worse situations or dead.
BigCatRescue 8 months ago 6
@BigCatRescue I've raised this point before, but it bares repeating... you do yourselves a dis-service by giving such obviously biased "information". Give a fair, honest and true summary of the situation and people will be much more likely to respect and follow your advice. Your summary of Savannah cats was reprehensible, and tried to give the impression that a SBT pet savannah cat is every bit as wild, and un-sociable as an un-socialised Serval... Nothing could be further from the truth.
lewiar 7 months ago
@BigCatRescue you guys are great... p.s. dont feed the trolls... @strawberrymooses
xboxliveacc007 7 months ago
@StrawberryMooses Any animal can be domesticated without mentally harming them, yet people like this think that it's as bad as pit bulls fighting for human profit. Good thing that they take them from fur farms? Yes. But, taking away a pet? ANYTHING, can be domesticated. If it loves its master there should be no problem. A tiger as a pet in an apartment I can understand as it's huge, but put it into a farm sized environment, it's fine.
But, people like this will never understand how things are.
TheLynxie 7 months ago
@TheLynxie Your last line sums up how we feel about your comment.
BigCatRescue 7 months ago
@BigCatRescue I'm sorry that my favorite animals are lynxes. And no I wouldn't keep one as a pet, but still. It's possible, but apparently to, -ANIMAL KEEPERS- That makes absolutely no sense at all, now doesn't. Imposible.
A friend of mine in Nova Scotia (Canada) has a pet duck because it just had a liking to the guy, it's a WILD animal that was "domesticated"
A friend from there also has a pet Squirrel.
But nope. No wild animals are able to be domesticated.
Only some of what you do is good.
TheLynxie 7 months ago
@TheLynxie There's a HUGE difference between a duck and a 500lb tiger!
BigCatRescue 7 months ago 5
@StrawberryMooses LOL. please.. youre just jelly B)
AleuLeighLyco 6 months ago
@AleuLeighLyco jelly of what? what were you responding to? i cant find the comment that you replied to. so right now idk what i'm jelly of. please specify so i know what i am jelly of.
StrawberryMooses 6 months ago
@StrawberryMooses youre comment of calling BCR a fake because they can own legally and trustfully dozens of exotic animal members :B
AleuLeighLyco 6 months ago
@AleuLeighLyco oh no i said it because if others cant own them in a "right" way then why can they? depending on where you live, you can own exotic animals. it's just that bcr feels that it is more "just" if THEY own the animals instead of private owners. most private owners are well able to care for their animals and their animals are very happy. brc tells people the most sad and unlikely of stories about rescued animals. the majority of exotic animal owners care and bcr doesn't tell you that.
StrawberryMooses 6 months ago
Very cool video, I loved it.
lifethroughmylens1 9 months ago
That serval has a nice big cage, but it has nobody to play with. Compared to domestic servals it looks bored.
kozmon0t 10 months ago 4
@kozmon0t Servals or any wild cat species will never be truly domesticated, they will always have their wild instincts. Servals in the wild are solitary, they like their own space and Servie as lots of room to roam around in, we provide her with enrichment to play with and she's very happy at BCR :)
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue That's ridiculous. It's been recently proven that through selective breeding for tameness, any animal breed can be domesticated in just a short number of generations. Have you never heard of those Dogs? Oh, that's right, Gray Wolf. Oh, and there's that little 'silver fox experiment' that after less than half a century produced floppy eared, playful, multicolored happy foxes that act like dogs?
OchrismongrelO 10 months ago 5
mmh bloodsicles my favorite
MightBeMaybeME 11 months ago
I can't believe so many people are trying to defend the people who stuff exotic cats in apartments. That's not what they were designed for. Notice that the professionals at BCR don't event TOUCH the cats unless they're sedated. And that is what you want as a pet? Because people can't just settle with a regular cat (because that's too mainstream) thousands of cats go without homes and BCR has to take care of cats like this one who will never be able to have a full life.
MightBeMaybeME 11 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME They don't even touch the cats regardless of the cat's desire for attention, because they are most unfortunately so stuck in their beliefs as to think an animal raised with human care and attention is still better off without it. Next you'll see them mass murdering dogs because their lives were ruined by contact with people (see PETA) and/or trying to force legislation down well-meaning people's throats to confiscate their loved "wild" animals and killing them too.
AJDrac 11 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME Also worth noting that I wholly agree that too many animals suffer in shelters while potential families pass them up for something "more exotic" but that doesn't change the fact that these cats thrive with a loving family just as any. It is a VERY closed minded belief to say that all cases are so cut-and-dry as to try to make the anti-pet argument again using a long-term hospitalized owner as an example, instead of praising a responsible owner who sought a new, good home.
AJDrac 11 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME all the people who are defending it is the reason we have this continual nightmare of exotic pets, abandoned, abused, living in squalid conditions, or else when sometime happens to the caretaker, the whole thing collapses. its unreal how completely retarded these folks are.
shoobedoorocketship 10 months ago
@shoobedoorocketship Wrong end of the spectrum, hun. I don't think you'd find one person who endorses " keep dog-sized cat in living room forever lololol." Cruelty is unacceptable to us all. But you're misconstruing our dissent with accountability. I will give out about BCR because they're lying. Netting well-intentioned animal lovers with these lies and promoting legislation that is, frankly, killing more exotics than bad owners.
This is how these organizations make money, guys. Wake up!
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@FascistFemale So you think wild cat species should continue to live in crappy backyard enclosures and in houses? Not to mention the fact that people are attacked and killed by privately owned big cats each year...
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue I'm still confused as to how you know that all or most exotic owners keep their cats locked in "crappy backyard enclosures." Once again, do you have an average size of backyard enclosures? Frankly, I have seen private owners with much more extravagant enclosures and enrichment than the crappy cattle-wire you folks throw together with your half-ass, plastic dog houses.
Bluggardpirate 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue Also, the average for deaths by exotic felines is 1 person per year - more are killed by tipping vending machines than the horrible danger of exotics you purport. In the past 20 years, 20 people have died from big cat attacks, a lot of them zoo-keepers, not private owners. Please note that none of the deaths were the result of attack by small to mid-size cats (lynx, serval, bobcat, etc.).
Bluggardpirate 10 months ago
@Bluggardpirate It's nice to hear a sane voice!
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue That's like saying PETA represents all animal rescue groups. You didn't even allow free commentary on this video until very recently. You REALLY want to go there? I wonder how those numbers would pale when compared to domestic animal attacks?
You're disgusting. You're liars. You're manipulative. You generate hate to fill your coffers. You, who are supposed to be the GOOD GUYS.
Exotic owners dedicate huge amounts of time, money, and love. You just supply an overrated backyard.
FascistFemale 10 months ago 4
@FascistFemale ur so right...they make the owners mostly sound like callous sadistic idiots go figure
omniexistus 7 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME I don't know who you're stereotyping more. The serval or the exotic owners or the BCR hate machine.
Maybe you should do more research before getting up on the soapbox.
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@FascistFemale Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean that we're insane. I get what you are saying, that not all big cat owners are bad. But the truth is that for every big cat that is in BCR, there's a bad owner who wasn't able to care for it or be responsible enough to handle it. BCR doesn't take cats from people, they accept them when people buy them and then don't take the time to care for them. They send the message out to not purchase big cats because they often end up in BCR.
MightBeMaybeME 10 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME Actually, that's not exactly true...most of their cats were purchased from breeders or fur farms when they used to be "Life on Easy Street" - I encourage you to look it up and see for yourself. You might be right about other sanctuaries' stock of animals, but BCR's is mostly hype and lies. Honestly, the stock of exotic cats in refuges is relatively small compared to the thousands supposedly locked away in "crappy enclosures."
Bluggardpirate 10 months ago
@Bluggardpirate Big Cat Rescue was founded in 1992, back then we did buy cats to get them out of bad situations such as fur farms, then began to realize that this was just fueling the trade and we no longer buy any animals we rescue. Any animals we do rescue, we require the owners to sign a contract stating that they will never own another exotic cat. We have grown and evolved over the 19 years we have been rescuing cats and it's all on our website BigCatRescue*org for everybody to see.
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@Bluggardpirate There are many thousands of big cats living in backyards in the United States in terrible conditions, there are more privately owned tiger in captivity than are left in the wild. The problem is the government doesn't have the manpower to regulate and inspect all of these animals/conditions and many slip under the radar.
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@MightBeMaybeME That's fine with me. I don't mean to imply that you're insane for disagreeing, I think BCR is insane for trying to cram its propaganda down our throats. That's not entirely accurate. Pets also end up in such sanctuaries because the state outlaws exotics with no grandfather clause so multitudes of pets are turned out of good homes, too. This may or may not be the case.
The 99% of exotic owners are good. BCR tells us they're not. That's unfair & contributes to the problem.
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@FascistFemale 99% are good, did you just pluck this figure from the air? You cannot simply say that there is good and bad owners, whether good or bad it doesn't make it right to keep wild animals as so called "pets" You need to realize that there are thousands of exotic wild cats suffering miserable conditions in the USA, we rescue these animals and provide them the best life possible in captivity and are doing our best to stop this abuse from happening in the first place.
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue It's a figure of speech like "I'll give 110% today." Nice, genius. You're just making generalizations to support your position, which contributes to their suffering. Where do you think domestic species came from? WILD ONES. If you have any domestic animal you're reaping the benefits of "keeping wild animals as so called 'pets'"and are guilty by proxy. I can simply say good or bad owners. They either keep the animal happy or they don't. You just don't care, which is worst of all.
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@FascistFemale When you're trying to have a factual debate stick to using facts, that's what we do. I'm well aware of the origins of domestic cats, do you think we should have the same mindset that people had thousands of years ago, or maybe evolve as a species, realize that it's ignorant and stupid to own wild cats and out an end to the abuse???
BigCatRescue 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue i've heard a story about a man who owned a serval and the state passed a law that illegalized them. that man had his cat ripped from his arms and he never saw him again. i cried when i read the whole story. people love their animals. its true that some do not care for them like they are supposed to be cared for but there is a great deal of people who put so much time and care into their animals. you want those people to lose their animals too? you are just like PETA..
StrawberryMooses 8 months ago
@FascistFemale you are very right. there is a man who owns tigers at a truck stop and he cares for his animals very well. activists lied to people and said that the animals were in horrible conditions and they got everyone to play along. now the people who follow them think that they are contributing to a great cause but the fact is, if that man's animals are taken away from him, they will be moved TO the conditions described by the activists.they believe that you shouldnt have them but they can
StrawberryMooses 8 months ago
Its terrible to think people without the facilities buy these medium to small wild animals, you wouldn't have a dog in such tiny conditions so why do people think a wild cat is fine. I think the danger of wild animals being killed is a concern for animal lovers but donate money to a wildlife charity and only if people have the room, finance and facilities should they then consider buying any wild animal to rear
jaylpp12 11 months ago
i absolutely love all animals on this planet and i have cats, dogs, rabbits and chickens. all my animals are fantastic, loving pets but in my very honest opinion no animal has a more loving heart than a cat. my dogs are just as loving as my cats but not more so. an animal just can't be more loving than a cat. but like i said ALL my animals are amazing, loving, caring and loyal creatures. animals are the best! many humans could learn about love from animals. many humans are great too. PEACE
niteholler 11 months ago
So, you're telling me, that you took someone's serval, completely changed her environment, and then didn't give her any of the human affection she has been used to for 10 years while her owner was in the hospital? You're almost as bad as PETA. Exotics are bred in captivity now. It's illegal to do otherwise.
Shame on you guys. People TRUST you to say the truth, but you're trading on emotional appeals as justification. The road to hell is built on good intentions--you built a highway.
FascistFemale 11 months ago
@FascistFemale We don't know how Servie's owner treated her, she may have hated any attention she got and just tolerated her presence. We do know that she looks much more comfortable and at ease doing whatever she wants 24/7 in a natural outdoor enclosure with serval neighbors than being stuck in a bedroom.
BigCatRescue 11 months ago
@BigCatRescue Or you've just destroyed a bond that was a decade old. The point is: you don't know and you have the audacity to slander someone else because of it after swooping in to seize an animal while the caretaker is in hospital and can't argue on her (or her serval's) behalf. I don't know what's more frightening--that you act so impulsively or you're just that indifferent.
There's nothing quite as mercenary as plucking people's heartstrings for money. Disgusting.
FascistFemale 11 months ago 3
@FascistFemale listen, stupid. if the caretaker didnt make arrangements to have her animals taken care if she became sick or died, THAT IS ENTIRELY ON HER. its the owner's responsibility, and there is NO ONE at fault but the owner. if she REALLY LOVED the animal, she would have had a fellow serval owner take it in until she got well. she also would have made sure the cat had a nice outdoor enclosure to play in. and beside, BCR was called in well after ANIMAL CONTROL took over, why blame BCR?
shoobedoorocketship 10 months ago
@shoobedoorocketship I blame BCR because they spread misinformation and villainize exotic owners, which promotes anti-exotic laws that lead to the deaths of the animals they claim to protect. State law brought in AC, who turned over to BCR, who promotes public pressure through these videos. Did it ever occur to you that the owner may have been suddenly ill or that an agenda is in play? Of course it didn't. They're supposed to be the good guys, after all. Which is the worst thing of all.
FascistFemale 10 months ago 3
@FascistFemale WHAT misinformation is that? did or did not the woman have outdoor space for her exotic pet? and what do you mean it didnt occur to me she had a sudden illness? can you not read? she should have had lined up someone she could call to take care of her serval well in advance in case of an emergency. if she had done so NONE of this would happened. its totally her fault. if you love your pet, you provide for them.
shoobedoorocketship 10 months ago
@shoobedoorocketship That ownership = cruelty, servals are completely undomesticated (the Egyptians did), and that they can't bond to people. I can read, I'm just unimpressed by your naivete. My first critique of BCR was that they didn't know. There could've been someone lined up who wasn't allowed to take over. Read between the lines. They took an animal, permanently, with no knowledge of the owner's plans. Videos like this one just spread the bigotry. It's all third-hand info at best.
Think!
FascistFemale 10 months ago 3
weren't servals the first domesticated cats? are you also rescuing other domesticated cats?
Rosalitamaria 11 months ago
@Rosalitamaria Servals aren't domestic, no wild species of cat can ever really be called domestic, they will always have their wild instincts and therefore always be dangerous and unpredictable. They have been trained by people in the past, but the cats just tolerate people they aren't domestic :)
BigCatRescue 11 months ago
@BigCatRescue Agreed, they aren't truly domestic. To be fair, though, it is plainly obvious that some (videos abound on youtube) do more than "tolerate" people - they genuinely love them in return for the care and love they receive - and most any animal is capable of forming these bonds. Obviously I would never agree with keeping one locked in a room or chained in the back yard, but I would never agree with a dog being treated that way either. Conditions, not species, matter most in my eyes.
AJDrac 11 months ago 2
@BigCatRescue Then where did domesticated cats come from?
FascistFemale 10 months ago 2
i hope they gave it back once the person was outta hospital
n00b1c1d3 11 months ago 2
@n00b1c1d3 All the cats we rescue becomes permanent residents at the sanctuary, Servie's owner was unfit to care for her any longer and it felt really good to replace her bedroom living space with a huge natural enclosure outside :)
BigCatRescue 11 months ago
@n00b1c1d3
Does this person deserve to keep Servie? Why would you take the serval out of her new home (which is a lot nicer) and give her back to live in a stuffy 2-room apartment- where she was probably neglected anyways.
voldyvoldyVOLDEMORT 11 months ago
I recently went to the fresno-chafee zoo here in California. It is actually a very small zoo, but they have recently said they are going to expand a huge amount. It was very obvious that it was very small and the animal enclosures were i believe not big enough for ANY of the animals. I'm not positive it was a serval but a cat similar had very similar color and size, he was staying in an enclosure much smaller than a normal bedroom. It was obvious her was distressed.
Bo0skiesz 1 year ago
well, whoever is right or wrong, the people at bigcatrescue ARE helping these cats and taking good care of them, so i am very glad for that! they are good hearted people and are doing what they think is right and are definately taking good care of these cats. in all of the videos i've seen the cats look as happy as the can be to me. i am very thankful for this place.
niteholler 1 year ago
poor servie, probably she is missing her owner.
salvolondon 1 year ago 4
@salvolondon I agree. If she was with her owner for 10 years, I bet she does remember/miss her owner. Anyone who says cats don't get attached to their owners, is very wrong. Also, she likely got petted and attention with her owner, does she now? Cats like/need attention
Loviekinz 1 year ago 4
@Loviekinz ...Personally, just I think that ANY type of animal, (exotic or NON domestic)....have much better memories than us humans.....
cgcotractor 11 months ago
I will never understand why someone would want a big cat as a pet, yeah they may be pretty, but is owning a pretty cat really worth a miserable animal that will just end up trying to kill its owner? I have four BEAUTIFUL cats (all but one are strays that we rescued) they sleep in my bed and are really playful. Who needs a pet tiger when you can have a domestic cat?
CynderMizuki 1 year ago
Honest to god I can't believe the selfishiness and the stupidity of exotic pet owners who think it's ok to keep these wild animals as pets. Words fail me.
KateFan 1 year ago
My opinion is if you love big cats ..wild cats.. truely love them then you will fight to perserve them in their natural habitat not support the exotic animal trade by buying them as pets. If you want to see them up close visit the big cat rescue or local zoo if your not in florida. No one should be allowed to have them as pets... I believe people have the best intentions when they get these cats... but its easy to get over whelmed
CryptsDay 1 year ago
Unfortunately some of the worst things have happened with the best intensions. I urge anyone who is considering getting a wild cat to reconsider... for the benefit of the animal. There are many domestic dogs and cats that need a loving home.. please consider adoption. Its ok to love big cats and desire to be with them and help them. Many wild life rescues allow you to volunteer which would give you a chance to help whether you work for them or donate. Preservation through education !!
CryptsDay 1 year ago
@CryptsDay
Sorry for this late comment, but FINALLY someone who makes sense THANK YOU!
Why do people have the need to domesticate and rule over everything in this world? Dogs and cats have been domesticated for many many centuries. It's very clear that when you compare dogs to cats, dogs are more faithful whereas cats enjoy there time 'hunting' in the garden and being alone and sleeping. Cats still remain very unpredictable, there's probably no one who hasn't been bitten or scratched by a cat.
MissILoveGreenALot 1 year ago
@CryptsDay
sorry for part two lol :P I just wanted to say that feline species are very unpredictable in general and they enjoy their freedom, they don't belong in a cage! I wouldn't even take a cat when I'd live in an apartment bc I know my former cat enjoyed the garden so much. Btw, won't they spray your whole house?
What makes you want a serval above another cat anyway? RIGHT bc you have a huge EGO and you want everyone to know you're RICH and SPECIAL and AWESOME bc u "tamed" a wild animal..
MissILoveGreenALot 1 year ago
Your 100% right - if only people would understand that. Animals should never be an impulse buy, a lot of people can barely afford the proper care of their domestic pets. I think one of the big problem is the glamour hollywood adds to it.. people go see movies and shows with people interacting with them and think I want to do that.. that would be cool. But your right ego is a big part - I would rather go on a safari and see lions in the wild, rather than cage a big cat for personal satisfaction.
CryptsDay 1 year ago
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@MissILoveGreenALot your right! Animals should never be an impulse buy, a lot of people can barely afford the proper care of their domestic pets. I think one of the big problem is the glamour hollywood adds to it.. people go see movies and shows with people interacting with them and think I want to do that.. that would be cool. But your right ego is a big part - I would rather go on a safari and see lions in the wild, rather than cage a big cat for personal satisfaction.
CryptsDay 1 year ago
Of course, because of the information in my previous post, Wikipedia warns that "For this reason, anyone taking in a serval must be willing to house and keep the serval for its entire life." This very much includes knowing how to properly care for it and keep it stimulated and happy, I would think. From what I've read, there are strict laws concerning serval ownership, and one should abide by them. If one isn't willing to fully commit to a serval's needs, one shouldn't have one for a pet.
TheKeeper81 1 year ago
@TheKeeper81 Exactly. Servals are very needy like dogs, or pigs. You can't expect them to lead happy lives unless they get a lot of interaction and exercise. You can legally own hybrids, however, the hybrid might have more cat in it than you'd like.
It might be a good thing that servals are classified as wild animals, because the way most people treat their legal pets makes them unsuitable for owning any kind of pet.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
Whoops. I misread Wikipedia. It says, "Servals have historically been kept as pets in Africa. The Ancient Egyptians worshipped the serval as gods, and kept them as pets. Often, they will choose one member of the human family they live with to form an especially close and intense bond. However, once they have bonded with a particular human family, servals do not easily accept new owners or surroundings, and they may become quite unhappy if separated or placed with other families."
TheKeeper81 1 year ago
Eh? I don't understand. According to Wikipedia, Servals are traditionally kept as pets in Africa. In fact, they're known to have such strong emoitonal ties to the family they share their spaces with that they can become very unhappy when separated from their humans... I'm actually incredibly concerned for poor Servie in her new environment... she must miss her ill human, greatly... does anyone at least cuddle with her? She must surely miss being loved....
TheKeeper81 1 year ago
The point is that not all wild animals can be kept as pets, but some can and keeping them as pets might benefit both animal and owner as long as owners are required to be responsible.
I think that owning a dog should require the same training required to own a serval, or ocelot. If an animal functions well as a pet there is no reason to let it go extinct. In fact, it's kind of cruel to let an animal go extinct because of legislation and nothing more.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
@Deliciousfarmbutter Keeping wild cats as "pets" does nothing to benefit the animals it just boosts the owners ego. These wild cat species will never go extinct they are kept in zoos around the world, privately owning these cats does nothing to help preserve the species because their genetics are not pure like zoo specimens because they are cross bred and inbred by breeders.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue
Ah, so you're like the eugenicists of the feline world? Alright then.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
I didnt know where to leave a comment but I just felt the need to say. I think owning a big cat is not such a bad thing. I feel as though humans can be loving companions to these fine creatures. If they are treated well and played with taken out for walks and fed properly. I see no problem with this. Over the past two years I have been watching videos about these cats and I think they quite enjoy human company and it seems as though they couldnt be any happier.
MrBurlwood 1 year ago
@MrBurlwood The videos you see are the exception to the rule and these animals are always going to be wild and are always going to be unpredictable and dangerous. People who buy exotic cats are fueling the trade, exploitation and abuse of these animals. You can find out the truth about exotic "pet" ownership at our website BigCatRescue*org Thanks.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@MrBurlwood Servals can be kept a pets, but they require the same responsibility that any animal of it's size requires. A lot of wild animals simply can't be kept as pets due to size, temperament, or disease. Servals are one of the exceptions. There are quite a few wild animals you can keep as pets if you start from a young age, but don't try to extrapolate it to other species, or you might end up getting hurt.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
There are pets that come from the wild and serve as great casual pets: Rats, guinea pigs, sugar gliders, slow lorises, ocelots, servals, skunks, porcupines etc.
Obviously you would vehemently argue that some of the aforementioned are "wild" and shouldn't be kept as pets, although they can function better than the other members in the list that are quite legal and ubiquitous.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
Servals can lead great lives in apartments as long as their owners take them on daily walks. Yes, they can learn how to walk like a dog on a leash and can do so better than any house cat. They can easily be trained to use litter boxes and can even manage to get along with other pets if introduced at an early age.
For some sick and twisted reason the people @ BigCatRescue would rather see these animals extinct than as house pets, although there are Serval breeders and hybrid breeds available.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
@Deliciousfarmbutter A wild animals that normally roam 10-30 square miles, being confined to an apartment hardly sounds like a great life! They can usually be trained at an early age, most are not that easily trained, but once they reach sexually maturity that's when they really don't want to be a house "pet" and that's usually when they get abandoned all of our almost 20 servals are former "pets" people no longer wanted.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue All dogs and cats want to wander unless they get spayed/neutered, that's not exclusive to the serval. Irresponsible owners are the problem, not the servals as pets. Wild dogs do more damage to the environment than servals do and larger dogs are a lot harder to manage than they are.
Servals and large dogs have the same constraints; they are only viewed differently, because of legislation. People abandon dogs and cats on a daily basis.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
@Deliciousfarmbutter Irresponsible owners and servals being kept as "pets" go hand in hand, no wild animal should be kept as a so called "pet" that's the bottom line.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue Every animal can be found in the wild. There are packs of wild dogs that take care of themselves and have adapted to the environment in Russia; they are not any less wild than wolves. There are responsible owners who take care of servals as pets and both owner and animal fare well. Servals live longer as pets than in the wild given that the owner is responsible.
You just want to keep them in the wild, but they can make great pets like many other animals found in the wild.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue Question. What would you prefer. Having to walk 50 miles a day to find food and make sure no one takes your land, or lay back on a nice comfy couch being given free food? When ever I see a pet Serval, they are running around playing and happily purring. Doesn't seem to me that keeping them as a pet is so bad.
Netkiller3714 1 year ago
How is it the owner's fault that she couldn't take care of her pet? Regardless of whether it was a serval or not the owner's cat would have lost her home if the owner was hospitalized
fathomthisss 1 year ago
While I am happy Servie has a good home and is in very capable care, I dont dont the individual is a terrible owner for a serval cat as long as they provide well for it. I do not believe an apartment is perhaps the most optimal choice. I dont think its fair for you to say Servie is necessarily better off where she is, now without her lifelong companion. I will agree with you though, that care for a serval is too much for most, and I disapprove overall of people breeding them for pets.
TOGGI3 1 year ago
In Japan, this beautiful cat sell for $10.000 to $20.000 each. I didn't know that this cat sold as a pet. I was a bit shocked when I found it on the internet. Anyway she is so cute and looks so happy. :)
mikafan1003 1 year ago
Long happy life to Servie! Thank you BCR!
mal8881 1 year ago
"bloodcicles" Did I hear that right?
eier 1 year ago
@eier Yep, we collect the blood from the meat we thaw out each day and put it to good use, the cats love them during the summer! :)
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
I would love to have a serval.
I don't think owning exotic pets is that wrong as long as you do your homework and can provide the best possible life for whatever pet you have (for instance if I had a home with a garden that is set up similar to your enclosure there so that the animal can have as close to a natural life as well as a pet one)... this doesn't just apply to exotic pets.
-I was going to say a lot more but I ran out of space-
mazzyelf 1 year ago
Servals aren't big cats. It's weird that you treat the animal like a lion when it's smaller than a golden retriever. I support servals as pets. They can't really injure humans and they can bond to their owner quite strongly.
Okiimiru 1 year ago
@Okiimiru We treat all animals especially wild ones with respect, we are against private ownership of these cats because backyards and homes is not where they belong. People who buy servals are ignorant to the FACT that they are fueling the trade in these animals as so called "pets" which means more cats living miserable lives in captivity and being killed for their body parts just because someone wants to feel "special" and keep a serval :(
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
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@BigCatRescue You said, "People who buy servals are ignorant to the FACT that they are fueling the trade in these animals as so called "pets" which means more cats living miserable lives in captivity and being killed for their body parts.."
What about people in the United States who breed servals and hand raise the kittens?
Okiimiru 1 year ago 4
i honestly think that this cat can very eisily be a house pet provided the proper care. the way bigcatrescue keeps these cats is baiscly how a normal person would and they are keeping them as pets.. and thats what some people want to do.. so why is it okay for them to keep servals and not regualr people like myself. if they really wanted to help they wouldnt trick the serval to think that it is in th wild.. they should put it back in the wild.
ranjodhmatharoo 1 year ago
@ranjodhmatharoo We don't buy any of our cats, we don't have an option, we rescue these cats from bad situations and provide them with a permanent home for the rest of their lives, these cats shouldn't be living in bedrooms and backyards no matter what "proper care" you can provide. We're also not tricking these animals, we're simply giving them a natural outdoor environment to enjoy, captive bred wild cats are very rarely released into the wild and our cats definitely cannot be.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue Before any of you actually listen to how BigCatR. tries to misrepresent a domesticated serval. Watch videos of domesticated servals and see how happy they are with their owner.This animal has been domesticated for many, and then some, generations dating back to the Egyptian times. This isn't a cat like a lion or tiger that has really no history of being domesticated. Its the size of a midsized dog. If the living space you provided is good for a dog that size its fine for a serval
thew0od 1 year ago
@thew0od We will say it agin, it's very simple wild species of cat will NEVER be domesticated. They may appear to be "domesticated" at times but then someone is attacked and killed, and who's to blame?... the WILD animal that is just being WILD not the dumb people for having a tiger in their house.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue I can't believe people feed into your crap. If you would of read what i wrote. A lion or tiger pet, yeah not the best idea for a pet. Unless you have the land, training and funds needed to have a proper enclosure for when the animal reaches maturity. But you are attacking people that buy mid to small exotics that coop just fine in a domestic atmosphere.
Scientific fact that you can breed a lot of the wild out of an animal. It just takes many many generations to reach that point.
thew0od 1 year ago 3
@thew0od It's a FACT that these wild species of animals remain wild, no matter what you do or what you can provide or doesn't change the FACT that these animals should never have been allowed to be privately owned. How many lost lives does it take for people to understand the problem we are trying to solve???????
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue More lies. I love how much you hate the FACT that people have kept these cats as pets for MUCH longer than you have been on this planet. It is fact that these cats are hardly more to manage than a large dog. In fact, if you spent more time interacting with them than tranquilizing them you'd come to that realization. It's ironic how you had to tranquilize a domestic Serval to examine it; I'm sure it could sense your evil.
Your motivation is your job, nothing else.
Deliciousfarmbutter 1 year ago 3
@BigCatRescue That is not a real fact, just a PETA fact... Last I researched, domesticated dogs account for a higher percentage of owner deaths than exotic pets. That is in proportion to the amount owned.
Also, exotic animals are not an 'impulse buy.' When someone forks over the thousands of dollars required to have a pet such, you can be sure they are generally well prepared and knowledgable of any risk, unlike people who aquire domestic shelter animals.
xthatwhiteguyx 1 year ago 16
@xthatwhiteguyx Your research may not be correct, big cats may not be an impulse buy, but the purchases always end in the animals leading miserable lives in someone's backyard. This as to stop.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue There is no ultimatum in this world. It's not "always", just most of the time- you folks are merely the polar opposite of the other side of extremists.
There are some large cat owners out there that are able to provide the needs for their feline counterparts. Rather than putting a banhammer on large cat ownership (which will cause people to purchase them illegally from the wild even more so than what is happening now) proper
fgdtdtdtdrd 1 year ago 4
@fgdtdtdtdrd training and regulations should be implemented in order to care for large felines.
Instruct. Educate. Regulate.
fgdtdtdtdrd 1 year ago
@fgdtdtdtdrd
Funny about that.. In Australia its ILLEGAL to own exotic animals and NOBODY has a big cat here. If they did they would be sent to gaol as its a danger to themselves, the cats and their neighbours.
ryuuwyvern90 1 year ago
@fgdtdtdtdrd
cgcotractor 11 months ago
@fgdtdtdtdrd
I am so sorry but I must agree here...its NOT the animals fault, its human greed....
cgcotractor 11 months ago
@xthatwhiteguyx
Your research is correct - in the US, dogs kill and maim far more each year, per capita, than all captive exotic species combined. Although a lot of exotic owners do their research and care for their exotics, a lot still give into their impulses and discard their purchases, giving fuel to BCR's fire, which is no doubt stoked by sensationalism.
Bluggardpirate 1 year ago 5
@Bluggardpirate There is far more contact between dogs and their owners than tigers and their owners. Just because some exotic owners do their research and genuinely care about their exotic 'pets" doesn't make it right and doesn't mean that the big cats enjoy living miserable lives in backyard cages.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue
How do you know this? Are you keeping tabs on all big cat owners AND dog owners? I know of a lot of people that leave their dogs chained outside all day, don't feed them too well, and don't interact with them too often... Also, ALL big cats lead miserable lives in backyard cages? Do you have an average size of backyard cages? Does this include the cats in your cages?
Bluggardpirate 1 year ago 6
@xthatwhiteguyx Agreed..who are they to dictate to us about cerval's? as the lady in this vid stated "cervals are a small african wild cat"..note the word "small" so they're not big dangerous cats...I support keeping em if the owner shows they have the knowledge and capacity to care for one properly
As for the big dangerous cats I'll support not keeping them for most people and even then with great reservations as I do think a very wealthy knowledgeable owner should have that right as well
omniexistus 7 months ago
@BigCatRescue You are deliberately giving inaccurate or very skewed information on small-mid exotics. Which is the wrong way to attract people to your cause. If you were more honest on the responsibilities necessary to taking care of these animals you wouldn't have people like me. making it tough to prove your cause.
thew0od 1 year ago 20
@thew0od All our info and views can be backed up, true after generations and generations of breeding with domestic cats some serval + domestic hybrids seem to be fine. but does this make the process of breeding savannah cats OK? ...NO! What happens to all the cats that are not wanted, or the cats that are sold, still have their wild traits and are discarded??
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@thew0od I agree with this. I hope to adopt a serval someday...(Note: it's not an impulse buy) I know it's a huge responsibility, and costs a lot to care for one for 20 years...I know I would need a large outdoor enclosure with items for mental stimulation, food for a proper diet, money for vet bills, etc...I'm responsible...I'm pretty sure the 'hissy, spitty and dangerous' description is only stress from being separated from the people that raised it.
Inuyashafangirl2back 11 months ago 3
@Inuyashafangirl2back You have to think about what is right for the animals.... even if you can provide for the cats for life, it still doesn't make it right. These are wild animals and they will ALWAYS have their wild instincts no matter what you do, this is the hissy, spitty side we see, especially when food is involved. By buying an exotic cat to keep as a "pet" you are also fueling the trade in these animals around the world and the cats are always the ones that suffer, please reconsider :(
BigCatRescue 11 months ago
@thew0od Glad someone else sees what I'm seeing - no discretion whatsoever in hammering the same stale points down everyone's throat. I'm glad there are people willing to devote their time and energy to helping these animals, but when they also try to use their position to force others to only do what they want they become little better than abortion clinic bombers and, indeed, many modern terrorists (see - only see things their way and won't accept obvious fact or good arguments against it).
AJDrac 11 months ago
@AJDrac ajdrac is an excellent example of the american that wacks himself out on paranoia and self indulgent fears. so because big cat rescue thinks exotics shouldnt live in bedrooms for the rest of their lives, they are going to be mass murdering dogs, they are similar to abortion clinic bombers and other terrorists? are you fucking nuts?
its quite simple people, if you are going to have this a wild animal as a pet, build the proper facilities for it.
shoobedoorocketship 10 months ago
@thew0od A sane voice.
Thank God.
FascistFemale 10 months ago
@BigCatRescue "but then someone is attacked and killed..." Really? By a serval? You're confusing servals with larger cats, I think.
Okiimiru 1 year ago
@Okiimiru We were referring to other species of big cats that attack and kill people every year, due to the ignorance and selfishness of people who choose to own big cats in general no matter what the species serval or lion, this all adds to the exotic "pet" trade which means more animals suffering and dying.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
I went to catlaws.com and the site goes to a different link instead so please help
littleMe27 1 year ago
@littleMe27 Hi, I just tried it myself and it worked, maybe it was just a glitch, thanks for trying!
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue I just went to catlaws.com and it redirected me to
capwiz.com bigcatrescue home
littleMe27 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue is that where it's supposed to go?
littleMe27 1 year ago
@littleMe27 Yep, this is where you can take action yourself! :)
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
BCR. . . I know that you guys know what you are doing. And I suspect it has to be disappointing to see folks chastising you (as a group) for removing the animal from the environment to which it had become accustomed. Keep up the good work. Some people just don't get it unless it's a larger breed, such as a lion or tiger. And sometimes not even then. :o
shawnjchappie 1 year ago
@shawnjchappie Thanks for the support, it's nice to hear that we're getting through to some people :)
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
@BigCatRescue dont make ignorant statements like "ts nice to see we are getting through to people." Like you are the only ones educated enough to care for these animals, because you aren't. People if you want to see if a serval is a good pet for you go to sites like exocticcatz,com read about what owners say and if you can provide that kind of care you'll never regret owning one.
thew0od 1 year ago 4
you know its interesting how you think its a unnesesary expense for natural plants in the enclosures when I know several Serval owners who manage to provide with an outdoor enclosure with natural african settings. You really are a hypocritical Sanctuary.
TheSolaceDream 1 year ago
@TheSolaceDream We didn't say it was an unnecessary expense to provide Servie with plants you referred to native african plants etc... which would be silly for us to spend money on when Servie never lived in the wilds of Africa unfortunately. Servie's enclosure as plenty of plants, shrubs and hiding spots without spending money on african native trees.
BigCatRescue 1 year ago
I disagree completely with the notion that her first 10 years were miserable in an apartment. I can see clearly from this video that the most important part of her life is missing, the love of her owner. Cats thrive on this love and constituency. The older they get, the more important it becomes. I venture to say she is adjusted but she is not blissful and not in LOVE with a "space". My two cats live for my every move. That is what really matters to a cat. No cat is ever fully domestic.
rcaugh 1 year ago 4
@LemMiller
you're right, this kitty is in jail!
FREE SERVIE!!!!!!!
me and my cat eat, sleep, shit and sit together, I'm sure he'd hate being alone all day like that.
smmeth 1 year ago 2
She has that natural beauty. Unfortunatly most times money talks and people are allowed to take servals and other big cats as exotic pets.
Mecha82 1 year ago
how the hell can you get a Serval mixed up with a huge Lion? Most of the places i have looked at Servals say to keep them as indoor only pets, You just gotta give them a lot of attention. I have a 5 room house for one to run around in when i get mine.
itsmefucker26 1 year ago