Vegetarians and Low Fat Diets = High Cholesterol!

[PaigeWright3]

This is bunk wow

[Timpler10]

harley has a 10,000. reward if you can find a fat raw vegan. haha. dude your fat. i never take advise from fat people.

[furenaef]

not on topic, but some my vegetarianism friend was bragging about how he can deadlift 315lb in the gym as if it is impressive.i lol'ed whole hardly.

[karenkellock]

Let's look at this somatypically. Ever heard of somatypes [Shelton}. The lowfat raw vegan dieters have chisoled and sculpted faces, indicating a clean non-candida system. The face reflects the whole body. They can run straight up a mountain for eight miles and perform other extreme athletic feats. They can take their shirt off and show a perfectly and gloriously sculpted body with cut abs. They can bike across Australia. Now you sir do not show this superior reflection in your somatype.

[shaadoe1]

@marcluc1988 , check again there is a small amount of cholesterol in all plant foods.

[auggiedoggy]

The human body is very efficient at storing dietary fat as body fat. This isn't the case for carbohydrates. My cholesterol went up by eating too many animal foods, not by following a plant-based diet.

[auggiedoggy]

It is no secret that saturated fat increases LDL cholesterol. The ONLY diets that have been shown to reverse heart disease are low-fat vegan and vegetarian diets. Ornish's dietary approach has been published in peer-reviewed journals.

[marcluc1988]

There's ZERO cholesterol in plant foods. So vegans won't take in ANY cholesterol. A vegan's body makes all the cholesterol it needs. Taking in any more via animal products (which includes eggs and milk which some vegetarians do consume) puts in cholesterol that the body doesn't need and has great difficulty eliminating.

[lukehard242]

good points, what one could do is eat a high raw food diet= no high carbs. I get carbs from different sources but main ones are bananas nuts, and seeds. My cholestrol is a-ok! I do feel some vegetarians eat way too much carbs and not enough good fats, such as soy (tofu) has very low fats.

I get fats through raw coconut oil (artisana), avocado,nuts and seeds.

I try not to tell those vegans who don't get it as they aren't always ready to hear what you're saying. thankfully some are!

[cali4niasunshine]

So, you are saying that vegetarians cannot get enough good fats, unless they eat meat? "Vegetarians are easy to pick on." Ouch!

[HogbergPhotography]

Yes, you are correct about everyting, but you should forget about the cholestorl. Its just a physical response when something is wrong and the cholesterol always is different from person to person.

Just eat natural animal saturated fats, animal protein and a few to none veggies. Thats the diet humans are designed for.

NO FRUIT! Fructose is even worse then ordinary sugar.

Thankyou for informing people! Keep it up!

[Aethren]

@HogbergPhotography Please remember to specify that cooking animal fats in too high of a temperature will damage them, and turn them into carcinogenic compounds and trans fats. Light grilling is ideal: a bleeding steak isn't dangerous, a crisp fried burger is... Also, although there is no biological reason to eat veggies (you can get absolutely *all* of your essential nutrients from animals is you eat the liver, brain and other organs), only those with a high glycemic index should be avoided.

[jhillst]

Why do people always associate vegetarianism with high-carb/low-fat diets? There are plenty of non-meat sources of fat -- nuts, cheese, eggs, coconut oil, olive oil, etc. You're picking on vegetarians way too much.

[joshrubineastwest]

@jhillst

I am not....this video is about Vegetarians, as well as society that easts a low carbs diet.

[jea740]

em what if i eat alot of fat from like, cocunut oil advocado ?

[tkcasual]

@jhillst it's just an observed trend, not a 100% association, everyone uses trends

[ostkuk1]

HAHA...let me guess, you're a MMA fighter...haha.

I know what I am talking about.

Kisses!

[CBasie2856]

So eating organic food is bad for you if you don't digest it correctly... you won't get nutrients if you eat too fast and don't digest properly.

So if you eat processed food and digest it correctly, than does that mean you are healthy?

(Eating in moderation). Would chewing slowly and breaking down the stuff in junk food give you nutrients?

Which one of these is true? Only one is true and one is false. I don't know which one is true.

[RadicalizedRadical]

OK lets get this straight. There is good and bad cholesterol. The bad one (small, dense and gets under cells and clogs your arteries) comes mainly from carbohydrates. The good one (large, light, doesn't stick to your arterial walls and floats around in your blood doing endless vital healthy things) comes mainly from fats. When you get your cholesterol tested they often just lump these two together . So, your cholesterol can be high, if its the right type, thats good! If not, thats bad! x

[roninkross]

Just to throw a fly in the ointment... Olympic weight lifters, HONEST body builders, and HONEST MMA fighters have cholesterol through the roof, and they're some of the healthiest people on the planet. The high cholesterol scam was the bastard child of cherry picked clinical tests, and the pharmaceutical industry.

[joshrubineastwest]

I didn't say that no one else has high cholesterol.

[learninjava]

@roninkross

agreed, that is why i did not understand when they said keto was bad, the body needs fat for essential vitamin absorption. I dont think there is a set rule for everyone, i do not think western world has more rice etc from eastern because it is cheap to produce. Inuits are not all dead from high fat diets, also vince gironda advocated stake, eggs up to 12 a day or more and he lived till like 80.

[learninjava]

@learninjava

edit: "i do" not "do not" think western world......

[furenaef]

@roninkross steroids will increase cholesterol, FYI

[roninkross]

@furenaef Wow... just freaking wow... cholesterol IS a steroid FYI. Why did you even bother to post when it is utterly, and painfully obvious you have no clue about BASIC bio-chemistry?

[furenaef]

@roninkross Really dude? This is the best you could come up with? This is the epitome of your intelligence? You mean you actually typed that out, and then said: "Yup, I'm posting this."? Where did i say Cholesterol is not a steroid? you really are a pretentious faggot for trying to be a smart ass.

[roninkross]

@furenaef I think I'll answer you with your own words... "you really are a pretentious faggot" This is the epitome of your intelligence?

You did indeed say cholesterol is not a steroid when you tried to imply that they were two different things chemically. You said steroids increase cholesterol to which I pointed out that cholesterol is point of fact a steroid. You could have looked this up and retracted your error, but I applaud your theory that calling me a faggot is more scientific.

[roninkross]

@roninkross I love it when people on the internet say certain things to people with a certain tone that they would not get away with saying face to face in public. I call them internet pseudo-alphas trying to verbally assert a superior stance no matter how in the wrong they are. As Mark Twain once said, "Hollering the loudest, without having a clue what they are hollering about."

[furenaef]

@roninkross MAYBE, and by maybe I mean like an asteroid hitting Earth tomorrow evening. Good luck with your virginity losing goals in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... 2035, 2036, 2037.



[slamedu]

vegetarians...... vegetarians,,,,,,,, vegetarians lol

[younes0807]

Josh,

Can you make a top 50 book list with your TOP books you learned from ?

Post it on your blog!

[Diatonic135]

great job josh, i can't wait for your next vid.

[paradigm667]

LOL, what's really funny about this video is the "it's so easy to pick on you people" line.

While MOST vegans and low fat eaters are indeed unhealthy, it's not because of their macronutrient ratios. It's because of the quality of their overall food intake.

Namely, the fact that they are not consuming whole foods, not consuming foods high in micronutrients, etc.

It's funny watching folks put up strawmen to prove their points.

Compare any diet to a processed diet and you will find it is better.

[vooooom]

Many people can easily become insulin resistant by eating too much 100% organic wheat. Therefore your argument fails.

[paradigm667]

Sorry, did catch a "suctose" in there? lol...

"Cabahydrates"?

"Too much sugar in the body, PER SE"?

"Triglycide"?

Come on folks. Let's be real. There is no such thing as "too much sugar."

What there IS, is such a thing as too high of a glycemic index/load, and too few mincronutrients which help regulate the liver's conversion pathways.

You can have plenty of "cabahydrates" as long as they are not high on the glycemic load/index scale, and found with plenty of fiber, and micronutrients.

[vooooom]

Once the liver and muscles are full of glycogen, which happens quite easily, ANY carbohydrates, regardless of glycemic index cause the pancreas to release more insulin and get converted to triglycerides. Glycemic index has to do with how quickly blood sugar will be raised and it is RELATIVE to other carbohydrates. All carbohydrates raise blood sugar. If you eat 20 apples you would have massive insulin and massive tryglycerides despite a low glycemic index. It's not hard to understand.

[paradigm667]

...lol. Yes. This is why people who eat lots of WHOLE fruits (notice...WHOLE, not juice, not dried, not concentrate, but WHOLE...you understand...WHOLE) get diabetes right?

Have you ever met someone who eats lots of fruits who has high cholesterol or body fat, or diabetes? No.

Please go learn some basic physiology and function of the body and the liver. Get back to me at that time.

[vooooom]

It really depends on what you mean by "lots". Fruit is relatively low in calories so you would have to eat what would be perceived as a very very large amount of fruit to do it. But there are plenty of people who do. Fruitarians for instance. Fructose is fructose and too much causes problems, whole or not.

[vooooom]

Also you are diverting the topic. The topic is high carbohydrate diets. High carbohydrate diets cause low HDl cholesterol, high tryglyercides and insulin resistance in a lot of people, depending on metabolic type. I eat a lot of vegetables compared to most people but my 12 or so servings of low carb vegetables and 3 of fruit doesn't add up to very many calories. A person eating a low fat and protein diet is consuming the bulk of their total calories from carbohydrates in other forms.

[Melcland]

@vooooom Ok, instead of thinking all the time about the way i eat, is eat ok to just eat lots of veggies, chicken breast, thuna fish and so? Well, and from tim to tim i eat candy but only like every two weeks or so. Should i add something to my diet or is it ok this way?

[vooooom]

Sounds like too little fat. Chicken breast and tuna fish are mostly protein. What was Josh just saying?

Anyway firstly make sure to get all of the micronutrients you need. Avoid harmful food (looks like you do for the most part. Tuna fish is high in mercury. Maybe switch to salmon and sardines). Thirdly, I would see someone like Josh and get a metabolic typing test to determine what a good macronutrient ratio for you is. We aren't all the same physiologically and shouldn't eat the same

[vooooom]

And it doesn't matter if your rice and wheat are whole and organic, if the total amount of carbohydrates is too high for your metabolic type, you will suffer health problems. Do you know your metabolic type? I recommend taking a test, it's quite powerful stuff that can help you achieve optimal wellness.

[MikeTorre500]

Exactly Benny you are right..

[benny354]

Yes, under your reasoning, having a large amount of fruits and veggies in your diet will cause your cholesterol to go up. But ALL the science shows otherwise. Insulin is raised much higher by high protein animal foods than with whole foods high in sugar and I can PM you the studies to prove it.

I'd like to see some scientific material you may have that shows that as sugar intake goes up from whole plant foods, cholesterol increases.

[vooooom]

So that is a really good reason to stop eating so many carbohydrates and get the metabolic effects like Josh explained in the video, Keep the carbs reasonably low (which basically does not exist on a vegetarian diet) and there will be very little insulin.

[sccloatrtk]

you're 100% correct... now stay away from my fruit

[thebeanses]

So why do people who follow the diet prescribed by Dr. Fuhrman actually reverse their heart disease? He has before and afters of their angiograms for proof. People completely relieve their angina and avoid the need for stents, statins, etc. This is a diet high in fruits and vegetables.

[vooooom]

Yeah I suppose they're both awesome and very knowledgeable. Josh just usually goes into more depth with the biology so I made that assumption.

[joshrubineastwest]

We are both great at what we do, but we both do two different things, have different goals, etc.

[benny354]

I'm sorry, but if you are saying that diets very high in fruits and vegetables can actually raise cholesterol. I have nothing to say to you...

[joshrubineastwest]

Did you listen to the video?

[Aethren]

@benny354 Fruits have large amounts of fructose, which is poisonous to the liver if overdone. Your body produces its own cholesterol, and dietary intake of cholesterol itself has little to no impact on serum cholesterol. Furthermore, triglycerides are far more dangerous than cholesterol levels, as without inflamation of the arterial walls (which sugars cause), cholesterol does not accumulate in the macrophages. To sum it up: Eating way too much fruit can and will cause problems.

[CountToBen]

@Aethren Definitely agree with you on the cholesterol stuff. But man, you are WAY misinformed about fruit sugar. See, all the clinical and university studies show the exact opposite of what you are saying. They show that fruit and vegetable consumption are associated with LESS inflammation, LESS insulin resistance, and LESS instance of disease. This includes eating them in high amounts. To sum it up: You don't know what you are talking about.

[Aethren]

@CountToBen The decreased inflammation is due to antioxidants, and yes, it is beneficial. However, Fructose is incredibly toxic to the liver, and is not necessary at all. Those studies likely include more vegetables such as spinach, cauliflower, cucumbers etc than raw fruit. Having fruit is not as bad as having processed sugar mainly because of the fiber content (if you eat it whole, not in juice form) which regulates the rate of absorbtion, and avoids insulin spikes. Too much is still bad.

[jreily88]

@benny354

The point is this, the liver produces the majority of the cholesterol that's in the body, which is why the drug companies say that eating cholesterol is bad. The problem with that, is that if you don't eat enough, your liver will produce more to counteract it, because without it you wouldn't be able to produce hormones and basically you would die. On the other hand, if you do eat cholesterol, then that just means your body doesn't have to produce as much.

[bigbobabc123]

@benny354 if you listened to what caused the high cholesterol you would understand why he is right. also just cause they give you vitamins and minerals and are alkalizing, doesn't mean they cant be bad for you.

[jreily88]

@benny354

Then why is it that people who eat the most fat and cholesterol have the lowest levels of cholesterol in their blood? Every saturated fat study that has ever been done in the history of the american medical system was falsified.

[MikeTorre500]

so whats the solution way of eating josh? Grass fed dead animal and raw eggs? Our species specific diet of fruits vegetables nuts and seeds is optimal.. look up the 80 10 10 diet which is really the correct way to eat in my opinion... based on science and our human anatomy and physiology.. In all fairnes since I am a raw vegan I challenge you to look up the 80 10 10 diet and read the book if you can.. and I will read a book you reccomend that supports eating high protein high fat for health..

[joshrubineastwest]

What we should eat all depends on the person. I DID NOT SAY that veggies are bad, etc...it is all about balance. Listen again!

[TheInvinciblePixel]

esp. low-fat-milk shoots the cholesterol up (milk isnt good anyway...)

legumes (chickpeas, beans) deliver much protein and replete well, for those who reduce/avoid meat.

[fitnessSD]

josh, nice video my man! I am looking at taking the HLC 1 course, can we talk about it for 5 minutes at some point this week? Thx in advance

[surfing222]

one of the better videos youve posted. Str8 to to the point and succinct. Read the vegetarian myth and it breaks this issue down as well!

[resedoton]

Nice try Josh at trashing a meat free diet but the fact still remains that it's far superior to yours.

[vooooom]

Usually when you say something like that you make a coherent argument to support your assertion.

[resedoton]

Do you know how animals are treated on factory farms? If not then watch the documentary Earthlings. That'll prove the superiority of a vegan lifestyle. And everybody knows the leading cause of death is heart disease caused, it's widely believed, from eating animal products.

[vooooom]

Your first premise makes the assumption that Josh eats animals from factory farms. He does not, he eats organic pastured meat. It also assumes that everyone has a problem with eating animals from factory farms, they do not, this is a subjective value appraisal.

Also give me a break. Heart disease is not caused by eating animal products. This has to be the biggest fallacy in nutrition today. Josh could chew this argument up and spit it out in 20 minutes or 20 seconds worth of lecture.

[believeinfidelity]

Do you stick to metabolic typing to the T (using the exact vegetables etc.) or is it just a general baseline to get the average person towards a more optimal macronutrient ratio and then work from there?

[vooooom]

I'm sure you're familiar with Dr. Lustig's video "Sugar, The bitter truth". In it he compares 120 calories from glucose and 120 from fructose and fructose ends up creating tons of triglycerides and the 120 calories of glucose ends up with only a small amount of triglycerides. But if the liver and muscles were full after that glucose, wouldn't any additional glucose end up as triglycerides?

[betti111]

Hey Josh! Any advice for vegetarians/vegans to lose weight while still getting their fats in?

[joshrubineastwest]

Yes, read the Vegetarian Myth!

[Gary1111001]

@betti111 Vegetarians should get advice from vegetarians, not an anti-vegetarian who's learned mis-info from deranged authors(see vegetarian myth debunked) Get advice from fit long-term vegans:

Dr. Graham

Stan Price

Martina Navratilova

Dave Scott, a six-time Ironman ,

Murray Rose, a vegetarian since birth,

Harley Johnstone

Me - Fat(like protein) is the last thing to worry about. Most food that nature gives as food is low in fat(but none are devoid) There's fat and protein in everything.

[vooooom]

You're the man, Josh! You're like the white, more learned Sean Croxton.

Keep it up, bro.

[joshrubineastwest]

Thanks Brother! Share as many vids as you want!

[schwarzwindDarken]

Thanks for the video, I actually eat enough fats, coconut, avocado, fats in raw milk, or raw cheese, mabye eggs. I cant get omega 3 from fish though, we only have canned or farmed fish..

would you recommend me buying fishoil caps?

I heard flaxseed has too much of something that can cause imbalance.

on a side note, My mom was going off the fats because of her high "good cholesterol"

makes no sense..

[alonealotta]

Krill oil caps are the best and are the easiest for the body to convert and has built in astaxanthin wich is a huge plus...=)

[joshrubineastwest]

Says who..Dr. Mercola? if so, give me another source!

[alonealotta]

yes....Dr.M....is he that wrong...I'm no expert....just wanted to help someone out....please enlighten me I really want to know....for my health !

[schwarzwindDarken]

@alonealotta Great!! where can i get this?!