As a agnostic. If you say Jesus didnt exist. You have come up with secondary cause for christianity. So far no atheist has give me a good one. And Oh and early christian where ready to die for a FUCKING metaphor. Give me a break. Also similarities do not prove or disprove someone existed. Anymore then the big bang proves theirs no god. Why dont you people start saying muhammad never existed. Oh that right somebody is likely to rip your fucking balls off.
amongst EVERY SINGLE respected historians there is a consensus that Jesus did exist, was born around 5BCE-5AD was baptised by John the baptist, thought around palestine and was crucified by Pilate. That is what well established historical evidence tells us. Unfortunately his full biography was lost throughout the sands of time. Anyone that knows ANY 1st century history knows that..
@Kesky16 - I still don't think Jesus Christ existed. I see no reason to think such a thing and am very surprised that most church historians think he did.
@Franknarfable Around 2,000 years ago, thousands of jews decided to put their very life in risk and establish a new religion. Note that several forms of christianity spurred and most were extinct, only a handful survived to this day. There you go :)!
In 70 AD the Romans wiped out Jerusalem and slaughtered the Jews. There was ONLY two sects of Judaism survived, Phariseeism (Rabbis) and Jesus Christianity. THAT'S IT. These "several forms of Christianity" resulted from Jesus Christianity.
Nothing you have just said proves Jesus Christ existed, nothing whatsoever.
The ONLY proof you have for Jesus and John the Baptist come from one man - FLAVIUS Josephus - good friend of Vespasian/Titus, conquerers of the Jews.
@Franknarfable Yours comment illustrates your ignorance regarding 1st century history. By the time the Romans attacked Jerusalem Christianity had already spread to Rome through a church established by Peter the apostle, whom guided Mark the evangelist to write a book about Jesus' life, the gospel of Mark. This is well established historical fact. Ask any historian or any person who knows 1st century history alike.
Other references: Tacitus, Suetonius, Julius Africanus, Pliny the Younger
@Kesky16 - And your lack of knowledge makes you think Jesus Christianity existed before 70 AD. Highly unlikely. The existence of Peter and Mark is nowhere near a "well established historical fact", not by a long way.
Why are you giving me references to historians that DON'T mention Jesus? The ONLY (almost) contemporary historian that mentions Jesus by name is Josephus.
Africanus wasn't born until 130 years after the supposed death of Jesus. What does he prove?
@Franknarfable You prove your ignorance once more. Peter died in rome under emperor Nero, he was the first pope of the catholic church, and his tomb was rediscovered in the 1960s (beneath St Peter's Basilica). Peter authored letters, some of which exist to this day, plus several books. So isn't his existence well established historical fact? Ah did I mention he died in 64ADE?
Tacitus (Annals).. Suetonius (2 books), Africanus mentions the sun's disappearance during the passion, unknown source..
@Franknarfable His death is attested by Tertullian and Origen. His works and life is confirmed by a variety of roman historians, his letters (only 1 is undisputedly his), Paul's epistles, plus more importantly the texts of the council of Jerusalem (c.50AD). The location of his tomb, under Peter's Basilica, was merely tradition until an excavation found the remains of 2 males (Peter and Paul), dated to c.60 - 70 AD. His church still stands. Is that enough?
@Kesky16 - "His death is attested by Tertullian and Origen" - Both born over 130 years after the supposed death of Jesus Christ. That's NOT evidence whatsoever.
"His works and life is confirmed by a variety of roman historians" - Only Josephus names him (Jesus) and none of the historians are contemporary to Jesus Christ. I am happy to go through them and explain.
"texts of the council of Jerusalem " - WHAT? Links please.
"Paul's epistles" - You think the bible proves the bible? No.
@Franknarfable I think you misread my last comment, i was referring to evidence for Peter's life, not Jesus'.
Before being part of the Bible, Paul's Epistles were a set of books. If you do know so much history, you should know that 7 of those epistles are known amongst the historical community as the "undisputed epistles". Furthermore, some historians feel like the undisputed letters alone are enough evidence to prove the historicity of Jesus plus SOME of his apostles.
@Kesky16 - Paul's Epistles - So a character (Paul) who has zero historicity outside of the bible is proof for another character (Jesus) who also has zero historicity outside of the bible. The bible is proof for the bible, again.
Why are they called the undisputed epistles? Because scholars believe that the same writer (one writing under the name of Paul) wrote those epistles. The writings are contemporary from about 53 AD onwards, but it doesn't mean they where written at that time.
@Franknarfable There is proof for Jesus' existence coming from the bible, not in the way you might think tho. If Jesus was in fact a mythical figure the gospels would come forth with closely knit stories, the fact the church left gospels that are not in perfect accordance with each other, or even with their doctrine (Roman catholic's perpetual virgin Mary vs gospel of John) can kill this hypothesis alone.
So if romans started christianity why did they persecute christians until the 3rd century?
@Kesky16 - "So if romans started christianity why did they persecute christians until the 3rd century?" - They didn't. They certainly where NOT singled out like the Christian apologists make out.
"the fact the church left gospels that are not in perfect accordance with each other, or even with their doctrine (Roman catholic's perpetual virgin Mary vs gospel of John) can kill this hypothesis alone" - Complete and utter tosh. Prove it.
@Kesky16 - "found the remains of 2 males (Peter and Paul)" - You do realise that this is NOT considered evidence and is highly contentious? I wouldn't use tombs as evidence unless you are extremely desperate and you're not quite there yet.
"His church still stands" - Links please. I have never heard of a church being proof of a person, but I'm interested to see how you do that.
"Is that enough?" - Josephus is ALL you have, but like I say, I am happy to explain why Jesus' STILL fictional.
@Franknarfable Since when are tombs not reliable evidence? There is an earlier tradition amongst popes and christians concerning his burial site,, an exact match of textual references,, sets of bones that match purposed age and time of death,, plus remains of earlier churches around the vatican attributed to Peter's followers. Are you really going against all that?
Historicity can also be determined based on historical impact. How can you explain the "jesus craze" in the 1st century?
@Kesky16 - "Since when are tombs not reliable evidence?" - When they are the tombs of Paul and Peter. They are interesting, like much of these things, but they cannot be proven, not yet and Paul's is more interesting then Peter's.
And yes, I am "going to go against all that". The "sets of bones that match" has not been checked for broken vertebrae and match what? The carbon dating told us the body was 1st or 2nd century, that's it as far as I can see.
@Kesky16 - "How can you explain the "jesus craze" in the 1st century?" - The Romans.
Vespasian was crowned Emperor and along with his son Titus he was applauded for his victories, both civil and against the Jews. After all the bloodshed he embarked on a propaganda campaign of peace and I believe that Jesus Christianity was a part of this.
How else do you explain it spreading so fast, the education behind the writings, it being written in Koine Greek and everything else?
@Franknarfable Early tradition had to come from somewhere, so do textual mentions. The set of bones found fits perfectly into history's stream.
And no, a mythical figure could not have formed within a few decades like Jesus' teachings did, it is impossible! Folklore doesn't come into existence in a timeframe of 20 years.
You have got no evidence whatsoever for your little story. Jesus' christianity began in several shapes and cults and only a few survived, read about the gospel of Judas/mary
@Kesky16 - "The set of bones found fits perfectly into history's stream" - Right, but it's not concrete evidence and until it is I suggest we leave it until the end and re-evaluate this discovery with what we know.
"a mythical figure could not have formed..." - Even though Jerusalem had been destroyed and the story of Jesus had the almighty power of Rome behind it? They controlled the entire empire, converting places of worship, installing bishops, controlled publishing, distribution, etc, etc
@Kesky16 - "Folklore doesn't come into existence in a timeframe of 20 years" - How do you come up with that time-frame?
"You have got no evidence whatsoever for your little story" - You mean besides all the textual and circumstantial evidence? If this conversation continues you'll see much evidence and examples of logic that simply crush any alternative explanations.
"Jesus' christianity began in several shapes" - Explain.
@Franknarfable The fact it spread so fast is a case against your own hypothesis. Several Jews put their very life in line in order to practice christianity. Not to mention the apostles that decided to be killed instead of admitting Jesus was a forgery and they made up the resurrection.
1 in 10,000 could read, and some mentions r in greek, not all of them.
You seem to be unfamiliar with historian's practices to determine someone's historicity, educate yourself in history and its practices
@Kesky16 - "The fact it spread so fast is a case against your own hypothesis" - Wrong. It's completely logical that if something spreads so fast throughout the Roman Empire, it has the support of the Romans. I don't think you can argue with that.
"Several Jews put their very life in line in order to practice christianity" - Who?
"Not to mention the apostles that decided to be killed" - You mean the fictional apostles from the NT?
@Kesky16 - "You seem to be unfamiliar with historian's practices to determine someone's historicity, educate yourself in history and its practices"
I think you'll find my knowledge of historicity is just fine, as is my knowledge of history and it's practices. Only a certain amount of people where ALLOWED to write after the war. Vespasian was extremely strict about what was written, what was published and distributed throughout HIS Empire.
It may be impossible that someone or something doesn't or didn't exist, but you can certainly figure out the likely possibility. So when we talk about Jesus, the Jesus of the New Testament almost certainly did not exist, period. And if he did, he almost certainly was not at all like his character depicted in the New Testament. And Christ was not Jesus' last name!
Well we do know now that the cities of Bethlehem and Nazareth did not exist at that time.
@speedformercy I do know that Price is a sorry excuse for taking care of the human body. Look at him. All fat and can barely move and breath. What in the hell does he do all day? I thought he was a Bible scholar but it seems all he does is eat ice cream and chocolate cake? And who has tried to put a mythical character in a historical framework and make various stabs at it? Jesus existed and was crucified by Pilate. That much seems to me historical fact. But the rest of the story?
If having very few written references to Christ outside the bible within the first 150 yrs of his crucifixion qualifies Christ as a myth, then having absolutely "NO" written references eluding to Christ as a myth until 1840 (Bruno Bauer) over 1800 yrs after the crucifixion, by its own reasoning, would render the Christ myth a "NO" possibility. Internet sensationalist and many modern Jesus Mythologist fail miserably to bring anything new to the table.
The Non Biblical historical evidence for the fact the Yeshua lived is completely overwhelming....to argue that Jesus did not exist is ludicrous...you can argue as to whether or not he was who he claimed to be..as that is a matter of faith...but to argue against his existence...no SANE, RATIONAL human would endeavor to do such a thing...EVEN the Hebrews...who DIDN'T want him, aren't ludicrous enough to say he didn't exist!
@cclarry122700 And this Non Biblical historical evidence is what exactly? Keep in mind that you cannot use mentions of Jesus AFTER he supposedly died as evidence for obvious reasons. A historian talking about a figure in a story isn't proof of anything. Evidence of existence MUST include things like artifacts from when he was alive, people who actually met him and wrote about him, writings from Jesus himself, etc. Otherwise the only thing you've proven is that the stories existed.
Jesus was a man? yes. Did he do all the bible says he did? no. I am saying there was a Jesus. But is he still alive today? no. How can he be son of god and son of man? if he lives in us who can he come back?
@MomoTheBellyDancer Are you saying there was never a man called jesus? I am just saying there was man, there was somthing but now there is just human bone dust that learks this earth.
@MeKiAproductionss thats the whole point of this vid, some ppl say jesus never existed some ppl say he did, whether he was the son of god and had magical powers is a separate argument in itself. Obviously due to the impact Jesus has had there will be some people who will join the discussion who will say that he did exist and did have magic powers etc, but do not let them confuse you. The argument here is was there a man called Jesus at the the time who went about preaching and was crucified.
@MomoTheBellyDancer Are you saying there was never a man called jesus? I am just saying there was man, there was somthing but now there is just human bone dust that rest on this earth in the dirt.
There are a lot of intelligent views on the historical Jesus, many of them from atheists. But you just can't seriously think that Jesus isn't an historical figure. G.K. Chesterton said that when men stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing--they'll believe in anything. There's a reason why no professor at an *accredited* university believes this stuff.
@kingjosh87 OK, that may be true. But I'm saying *no* professors at an accredited university believe this. Besides, what you said isn't relevant. Faith may be a minority position in academia right now but the views of this documentary are marginal to say the least. As in, wacko territory.
@honeyblossom17 there is a lot of proof, and if your really interested and actually want to know about it then go study it. its not just a book, it its self has a lot of evidence in it that has been backed and proven by archeologists. putting aside evidence and proof. when you have the Spirit of God within you the Bible isn't just printed words, it becomes God's living words. it is His Spirit that enables you to have proper understanding of it and to see it for what it is
@j4manasseh- lol Archeology is the study of past human societies! I'm talking about tangible and clear evidence that jesus/god was real! Not the society that these archeologists claimed THAT HE LIVED IN! ''His Spirit that enables you to have proper understanding of it and to see it for what it is'' lmao o.k. so by ''asking'' this ''Spirit'' to come into me I can understand a ''god's word''?! What a load of crap! The bible was NEVER writen by a god but by man! If it was writen by a god...
@j4manasseh- (con.) Then it would be clear to read and it would be understandable BY ALL PEOPLE! And you would not have to ask some ''Spirit'' for guidance!! That's just stupid! It is obvious that a god did not write the bible but bronze age men did! And let me guess you have zero evidence to back up that a god wrote the bible either, now do you?!
@honeyblossom17 now now whats a honey blossom like you getting all upset about. i never said God wrote the Bible. i meant that when you are in relationship with Him you have clearer understanding, something you cant understand unless you experience it yourself. it is good to read the Bible and try and prove it, but its not meant for that. it is essentially a book that can guide you through life and to know God better. just so you know i have done Bible College
@j4manasseh-''something you cant understand unless you experience it yourself.'' lol Funny you should say that! I was once a christian myself, I once believed just like you! But I started to think rationally about everything I had learned, realizing that most of what your saying right now didn't make any sense I eventually left christianity. ''it is good to read the Bible and try and prove it, but its not meant for that.'' Your right, it is to have faith that can not be proven by evidence!...
@j4manasseh- (con.) But it need's to be! What makes you think that anything in the bible is real without ANY evidence or proof?! You don't, you just have faith in it that it's true, you can have faith in anything and that DOES NOT make it true! Christians seem not to realize that, ''guide you through life'' take a look in other non-religious nations, they live without the thought of a god and are living happy and fulfilled lives! And those nations are a lot more peaceful too!...
@honeyblossom17 well, i doubt you were ever a true Christian, if you really knew God and experienced Him, then there is no way you can stop believing. Yeah i have unanswered questions and i am on a journey to figured them out, but if there is one thing i know without a doubt, it is that God is real, some people / religions might know Him or know parts of Him. even Buddhism has truths to to life. but it is known that a lot of those religious people have emitted that they feel alone inside......
@j4manasseh- 'well, i doubt you were ever a true Christian'' Ahh, so what makes you a ''true christain'' the fact that your still in it!? ''if you really knew God and experienced Him, then there is no way you can stop believing.'' Yes there is actually, I figured out that what I was feeling was my emontions going wild for something that I believed in and was told, simple as that nothing but emotions and mental. ''Buddhism has truths to to life.'' You do know that Buddhism teaches atheism right.
@j4manasseh- (con.) If they can do it then so can you! You DO NOT need a god to tell you what to do with your life! ''i have done Bible College'' What a waste, I'm sorry you wasted your money.
@honeyblossom17 ...especially the older more experienced ones. that is why they have this search to be perfect and to find enlightenment e.g because they do not have true happiness. and happiness is not having what you want but it is a peace in your heart of knowing God. Faith: by definition is to believe without seeing, so you don't need proof. and like i said there is a lot of proof anyway, heaps of it. open your eyes....
@j4manasseh- ''...especially the older more experienced ones. that is why they have this search to be perfect and to find enlightenment e.g because they do not have true happiness.'' lol So they come to this watered down, white man's religion to find ''truth'' and ''real happiness'' that come from just another fairy tale mythical god?! lmao How hilarious!! ''peace in your heart of knowing God.'' What crap. ''Know Thy Self!'' Is the problem that most people have! If you don't know christianity...
@j4manasseh i find it funny how people like you get so angry and are always trying to disprove Christians wrong. why do you hate God or the idea of God, is this some hurt from the past or just what you call logic
the only "Jews" that would believe Jesus had came and died year earlier would be a very small minority, there have been many imposters pretending to be the Messiah and perhaps some would be fooled by them. and "Jewish Christians" the word Christian is derived from Christ. the followers of Christ. and is only dated after the death of Jesus.
what these guys are doing is taking the minority of mixed up stories and trying to make them look bigger than they are.
@honeyblossom17 ...........if you want to get technical about proof then for example you might believe some fact, not because you have seen it yourself but because someone told you it, why did you believe them if you didn't go and dig that fact up your self and for all you know it isn't true.
Jesus is real and True, and if you want to go to heaven, He is the only Way. He is God, come in the flesh to save humans who are lost, spiritually dead, alienated from the life of God in their minds by wicked works which you and I have done. So He, who knew no sin, took our sin upon Him and suffered to die, even the death of the cross, because He is Love, and Truth. He was buried, and then on the third day, He physically, historically, rose from the dead, justifying all who believe in Him.
@kram83au "That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." John 12:38-40
@Enoch2 you see its like this, 20 000 religions yet your on a sure bet, thats 20 000 -1. another thing, god was there they said, to save the miners in chile, yet he obviously doesnt like new zealanders, now dont come back with the 'god works in mysterous ways, that would only insult myself and close friends. get a grip man. and phone a friend or better still the doctor. and stop useing fear as a tool upon others,its just shameless and belittles yourself and family.
@kram83au The miners in Chile is a good e.g., b/c they worshipped God, called on His Name, & trusted in Him. However, Jesus said re. a disaster:
"Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:4-5
N.Z. miners who believed in Jesus are present with the LORD and will live for ever. God holds out perfect Love to you.
@Enoch2 oopsy, sicko alert. lets have more of yer verses then, you folk love yer fairtales, so lets be be having it, but not the sick ones or the ones that contradict the bible, that wont do at all would it. like av said before if such a god stood before me, hed be in for a right good hiding for the chaos hes created. 20 000-1 , il give you 20 000-1 your messiah will never appear, sick boy.
@kram83au You want more verses? Sure. The life without Christ is a life without Life, so I'll tell you how to have peace and joy and abundant life.
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Jn 6:63
Who's really the one responsible for malice and the evil in the world? That's an easy one: we are. Jesus Christ is the Saviour FROM it, if you will cry out to Him. He really changes the heart.
Pride, selfishness, despising, etc., these are all prisons the devil traps us in through the operation of sin in us. Jesus did the work of setting everyone free from these traps. Though the world does not believe, His own do believe Him. And those who believe Him have eternal life and witness the truth of His Word. Rather than making excuses for unbelief such as this video, why not read the Bible, receive faith, believe the Gospel, & know the truth and reality of Christ for yourself!
@Enoch2 classic. is there not a verse where jesus kills an innocent animal. lets see that one.not a favorite eh, or when moses goes daft on the innocent, or do you cherry pick the fairytales.
@Enoch2 classic. is there not a verse where jesus kills an innocent animal. lets see that one.not a favorite eh, or when moses goes daft on the innocent, or do you cherry pick the fairytales mr gullible
@kram83au "And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand." Exod2:11f
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep."Jn10:14-15
Do you see the relationship of Moses' slaying an evil man and Jesus laying down His Life to save all evil men?
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17
There's no need to cherry pick, I give the verses you asked for, and look what we find. They testify to the salvation that is in Jesus. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
So he offers himself to himself, to change a rule he made himself. That's retarded. Worst of all: he created everything the way it is in the first place. Your god is a moron.
The image of the man that comes to mind when you hear "Jesus Christ" - I'm convinced that man never existed. But was he based on someone who did? and if not this is the biggest urban myth ever! This is all very intriguing and better than any mystery novel!
@gp5 Boohoo the devil doesn't exist either! Well as you say the devil does not exist , but the hebrew Talmud exist, and there is no way to challenge this . Jewish puppets are one of the brainwashed who strictly obey the Antichrist , and you're one of those puppets . And another thing , the oldest trick of the devil is to say that he does not exist, "says a wise Christian maximum . Brain washed people do not put so hope in zeitgaist , because its a false masquerade.
If u take away the folk lore of the Bible what u hav is God's message to man. Also the Jewish Supreme council would meet on Passover Eve if they felt threatened by a man speaking with the Authority of God. They had made worshiping God a burden for the people and they felt threatened by Jesus.. they felt their power was being threatened. Of course they would meet on Passover Eve .
Why is it out of the question that the Jewish Supreme Council would meet on PassOver eve, as Mr Price states? They had what they considered a crisis on their hands: they had a man who was speaking with the Authority of God ,making waves in their towns, making people question their authority. They had made God's Ways to become a burden on people and they knew it they knew they could lose their power over the people and they were scared. Of course they would meet on Passover eve. Read the Bible.
@JohnfromPerth Unfortunately, you failed to take your cathartic and he was all brown and nasty upon withdrawal. He got VD from you and never recovered. Don't you feel proud of yourself?
Johnfromperth, may God have mercy on your sick soul. You have no clue of the price you will have to pay for your demonic evil little what you find funny statement. I hope you remove yourself from your sickness and repent!!!
Sweedishcarina, that's very sad. Your gran shouldn't have treated you that way. We come to Jesus simply by faith and after that the holy spirit begins to teach us Gods word. I came to Jesus 27 years ago and he has taught me his word over those years. I'm still learning it. It would take eternity to learn it all. You did nothing wrong by questioning what you were being taught. I begg you consider Jesus and his word again. I pray you find the truth. God bless you!
I was raised a baptist, and I never thought that anything my pastor said made sense. When I was 12 I questioned if Jesus and God existed. My gran got very upset, and had me read the King James bible front to back. It made no sense. (NOT because of how it is was written either, FYI, I read Beowulf when I was 8 and understood it.) So many inconsistencies, double standards, and so on. Reading the bible made me a nonbeliever.
@Swedishcarrina When I first started to read the bible, I had a similar experience. It seemed to go nowhere, just go around in circles. If that was the 'word of God', he was a lousy author.
@VegasSkateCulture You are absolutely correct. about the bible. My understanding is that the NT was mostly put together by Constantine and the council of Nicea. I believe only in the Creator, no lords or saviors necessary.
jesus is real! is he wasnt we wouldnt be alive. jesus an =d god leet's bad things happen 2 us 2 teach a lesson and because we have FREE WILL look up the song wait and see! we have to wait and see to see what our plan is from god
Peace be upon him who follows true guidance and believes in Allâh and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, He has taken neither a wife nor a son, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. I call you unto the fold of Islam; if you embrace Islam, you will find safety (and peace).
life without a god and especially biblical gog i sure not dirty or necessary dirty, but anyway i cant argue with a 5 year old or an older with a 5 year old child's brain, believing that hell exists!?!?!?!
are you kidding me? who told you that only earth has life, i guess bible! and about polar bears or tigers, have you heard of evolution? just thing for a moment, caves or cracks in earth were made by god to host microorganisms and other species that are living there OR water through years created underground caves and crack and some microorganisms evolved to survive in conditions without light etc?
idid read it not as a believer, for every paragraph, especially from Old testment, i can give you 100 proofs how stupid you are. there are bilion of planets, at least one should be in the right place.Helloooo!!!even if there is a god that create this beautiful universe, 1 thing is for sure....its not the one described at the bible!!! stupids!!
Somebody is going way too far with the 1990s style video effects, im trying to listen with an open mind but I feel like im watching from inside a dumpster thats being shaken up.
Check out a site that lists the REAL Historical and documented evidences concerning the Bible and Jesus, rather than the proposed ,opinionated and unbacked suggestions presented by beyondbeliefmedia.
One question, what does the historical cosensus say? Thgis video is like watching a YEC video on how evolution is wrong, you idiots are a minority in the historical community. Branded the lunatic fringe like the YECs.
When I read Hitchen's ,"god is not Great," he mentioned when he finally put away the idea of faith he never had a greater desire to be a good person. It's strange, though it took a few weeks, I felt the same. @ joshuameeker, you're right on.
@CJ4mPJ If you want to know where in the Bible Jesus states that He is God, let me know. I'll show you, several times. Thats if you accept what the Bible claims as His actual words.
@VanGoghsEar1890 How am I inane, ignorant, or delusional by pointing out in Scripture where Jesus claims to be God? Your rant at me is probably the most off-topic and pointless statement made by someone on Youtube I've ever seen.
@CJ4mPJ Regardless of who wrote it, the claimed data is there. Once again, another random comment by someone who is simply seeking to make inflammatory comments for no real reason. Thank you for taking time out of your busy evening to let me know you don't believe what is written in the Bible.
@VanGoghsEar1890 It as simple as the concept that the God he denounced in wasn't right. Faith is not specific. How do I know this? because all teachings of God say that he loves every one unconditionally. An atheism doesn't believe in the God he created himself, thus being the wrong perception. It's all going to be in my book, The myth of Atheism. He wanted to be a better person, because when he put away the idea of faith, he got closer to God!
@TheLovesoul1 You don't have Love if you haven't received God's Love by believing in His work on the Cross for you and me: the ultimate work of Love! Apart from Jesus Christ, there is no true love, only counterfeits.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:1
"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 10:9
You don't have Love if you haven't received Allah's love by beleving Mohamad is his messenger. Apart from Allah, there is no true love, only counterfeits.
Sounds stupid to you because you don't believe in Islam, huh. Well, you sound just as dumb to the people who don't believe in Christianity.
@SongBirdJesusFreak Hi! Well, let's look at that. "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 Jn 4:8
Allah is not love, the Koran makes no such claim. If you don't believe in Truth, all claims will appear alike to you, though they are not.
Jesus spoke of men like Muhammad:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matt 7:15-16
Trust me, it gets better... One day you will wake up and feel "free" again... It only "sucks" for a little while. Then, you just feel sorry for everyone you know that still believe... It is heartbreaking...
For those who haven't seen the entire documentary, I highly recommend it. It is well researched and very provocative. I always suspected this purported Jesus was mythological, now I'm sure of it.
I think it works all 3 ways, propaganda for one side, one for another, and one for people who just haven't had the experiences in question. I know I am not sick or anything, I know what I saw and talked to and he wasn't wrong about anything.
Here is what I think. If they were right. Then what did I see at work, how did I survive being dead 18 times, clincally dead, and what did I see at church my whole life if Jesus and God didn't exsist and then what did Moses see and other people over the years? They can't answer those and I know what I saw and what I felt and what he did to me, and I know their wrong, and stop harassing people you and the people commenting.
... and this world is horrible. We'll eat you alive while in bondage, and we will cut a reverse pentagram into your stomach. Rape, murder, masturbation, cursing, lying, hating, drinking, smoking, and fucking -- all the time, 24/7! This world is dead, it is worth nothing. So much, in fact, that we should detonate this ball-o-shit! Fuck the heathens, yeah!
As a agnostic. If you say Jesus didnt exist. You have come up with secondary cause for christianity. So far no atheist has give me a good one. And Oh and early christian where ready to die for a FUCKING metaphor. Give me a break. Also similarities do not prove or disprove someone existed. Anymore then the big bang proves theirs no god. Why dont you people start saying muhammad never existed. Oh that right somebody is likely to rip your fucking balls off.
Tuber77 1 month ago
no jesus is real just watch
BaytownJaguar 1 month ago
amongst EVERY SINGLE respected historians there is a consensus that Jesus did exist, was born around 5BCE-5AD was baptised by John the baptist, thought around palestine and was crucified by Pilate. That is what well established historical evidence tells us. Unfortunately his full biography was lost throughout the sands of time. Anyone that knows ANY 1st century history knows that..
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - I still don't think Jesus Christ existed. I see no reason to think such a thing and am very surprised that most church historians think he did.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable Around 2,000 years ago, thousands of jews decided to put their very life in risk and establish a new religion. Note that several forms of christianity spurred and most were extinct, only a handful survived to this day. There you go :)!
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16
In 70 AD the Romans wiped out Jerusalem and slaughtered the Jews. There was ONLY two sects of Judaism survived, Phariseeism (Rabbis) and Jesus Christianity. THAT'S IT. These "several forms of Christianity" resulted from Jesus Christianity.
Nothing you have just said proves Jesus Christ existed, nothing whatsoever.
The ONLY proof you have for Jesus and John the Baptist come from one man - FLAVIUS Josephus - good friend of Vespasian/Titus, conquerers of the Jews.
Do the math.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable Yours comment illustrates your ignorance regarding 1st century history. By the time the Romans attacked Jerusalem Christianity had already spread to Rome through a church established by Peter the apostle, whom guided Mark the evangelist to write a book about Jesus' life, the gospel of Mark. This is well established historical fact. Ask any historian or any person who knows 1st century history alike.
Other references: Tacitus, Suetonius, Julius Africanus, Pliny the Younger
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - And your lack of knowledge makes you think Jesus Christianity existed before 70 AD. Highly unlikely. The existence of Peter and Mark is nowhere near a "well established historical fact", not by a long way.
Why are you giving me references to historians that DON'T mention Jesus? The ONLY (almost) contemporary historian that mentions Jesus by name is Josephus.
Africanus wasn't born until 130 years after the supposed death of Jesus. What does he prove?
Must do better.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable You prove your ignorance once more. Peter died in rome under emperor Nero, he was the first pope of the catholic church, and his tomb was rediscovered in the 1960s (beneath St Peter's Basilica). Peter authored letters, some of which exist to this day, plus several books. So isn't his existence well established historical fact? Ah did I mention he died in 64ADE?
Tacitus (Annals).. Suetonius (2 books), Africanus mentions the sun's disappearance during the passion, unknown source..
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - The existence of Peter is NOT established whatsoever.
1) What's the evidence he died under Nero?
2) What evidence is used to prove he was the first pope?
3) How do you prove that tomb is his? What evidence was used to confirm this?
4) How do you know that Peter authored those letters?
He is NOT mentioned in Tactitus or Suetonius.
You believe that the sun disappeared and it wasn't an eclipse??? REALLY???
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable His death is attested by Tertullian and Origen. His works and life is confirmed by a variety of roman historians, his letters (only 1 is undisputedly his), Paul's epistles, plus more importantly the texts of the council of Jerusalem (c.50AD). The location of his tomb, under Peter's Basilica, was merely tradition until an excavation found the remains of 2 males (Peter and Paul), dated to c.60 - 70 AD. His church still stands. Is that enough?
I believe that eclipse is not factual
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - "His death is attested by Tertullian and Origen" - Both born over 130 years after the supposed death of Jesus Christ. That's NOT evidence whatsoever.
"His works and life is confirmed by a variety of roman historians" - Only Josephus names him (Jesus) and none of the historians are contemporary to Jesus Christ. I am happy to go through them and explain.
"texts of the council of Jerusalem " - WHAT? Links please.
"Paul's epistles" - You think the bible proves the bible? No.
cont'd
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable I think you misread my last comment, i was referring to evidence for Peter's life, not Jesus'.
Before being part of the Bible, Paul's Epistles were a set of books. If you do know so much history, you should know that 7 of those epistles are known amongst the historical community as the "undisputed epistles". Furthermore, some historians feel like the undisputed letters alone are enough evidence to prove the historicity of Jesus plus SOME of his apostles.
Now to the absurdities...
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - Paul's Epistles - So a character (Paul) who has zero historicity outside of the bible is proof for another character (Jesus) who also has zero historicity outside of the bible. The bible is proof for the bible, again.
Why are they called the undisputed epistles? Because scholars believe that the same writer (one writing under the name of Paul) wrote those epistles. The writings are contemporary from about 53 AD onwards, but it doesn't mean they where written at that time.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable There is proof for Jesus' existence coming from the bible, not in the way you might think tho. If Jesus was in fact a mythical figure the gospels would come forth with closely knit stories, the fact the church left gospels that are not in perfect accordance with each other, or even with their doctrine (Roman catholic's perpetual virgin Mary vs gospel of John) can kill this hypothesis alone.
So if romans started christianity why did they persecute christians until the 3rd century?
Kesky16 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "So if romans started christianity why did they persecute christians until the 3rd century?" - They didn't. They certainly where NOT singled out like the Christian apologists make out.
"the fact the church left gospels that are not in perfect accordance with each other, or even with their doctrine (Roman catholic's perpetual virgin Mary vs gospel of John) can kill this hypothesis alone" - Complete and utter tosh. Prove it.
Franknarfable 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "found the remains of 2 males (Peter and Paul)" - You do realise that this is NOT considered evidence and is highly contentious? I wouldn't use tombs as evidence unless you are extremely desperate and you're not quite there yet.
"His church still stands" - Links please. I have never heard of a church being proof of a person, but I'm interested to see how you do that.
"Is that enough?" - Josephus is ALL you have, but like I say, I am happy to explain why Jesus' STILL fictional.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable Since when are tombs not reliable evidence? There is an earlier tradition amongst popes and christians concerning his burial site,, an exact match of textual references,, sets of bones that match purposed age and time of death,, plus remains of earlier churches around the vatican attributed to Peter's followers. Are you really going against all that?
Historicity can also be determined based on historical impact. How can you explain the "jesus craze" in the 1st century?
Kesky16 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - "Since when are tombs not reliable evidence?" - When they are the tombs of Paul and Peter. They are interesting, like much of these things, but they cannot be proven, not yet and Paul's is more interesting then Peter's.
And yes, I am "going to go against all that". The "sets of bones that match" has not been checked for broken vertebrae and match what? The carbon dating told us the body was 1st or 2nd century, that's it as far as I can see.
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Kesky16 - "How can you explain the "jesus craze" in the 1st century?" - The Romans.
Vespasian was crowned Emperor and along with his son Titus he was applauded for his victories, both civil and against the Jews. After all the bloodshed he embarked on a propaganda campaign of peace and I believe that Jesus Christianity was a part of this.
How else do you explain it spreading so fast, the education behind the writings, it being written in Koine Greek and everything else?
Franknarfable 2 months ago
@Franknarfable Early tradition had to come from somewhere, so do textual mentions. The set of bones found fits perfectly into history's stream.
And no, a mythical figure could not have formed within a few decades like Jesus' teachings did, it is impossible! Folklore doesn't come into existence in a timeframe of 20 years.
You have got no evidence whatsoever for your little story. Jesus' christianity began in several shapes and cults and only a few survived, read about the gospel of Judas/mary
Kesky16 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "The set of bones found fits perfectly into history's stream" - Right, but it's not concrete evidence and until it is I suggest we leave it until the end and re-evaluate this discovery with what we know.
"a mythical figure could not have formed..." - Even though Jerusalem had been destroyed and the story of Jesus had the almighty power of Rome behind it? They controlled the entire empire, converting places of worship, installing bishops, controlled publishing, distribution, etc, etc
Franknarfable 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "Folklore doesn't come into existence in a timeframe of 20 years" - How do you come up with that time-frame?
"You have got no evidence whatsoever for your little story" - You mean besides all the textual and circumstantial evidence? If this conversation continues you'll see much evidence and examples of logic that simply crush any alternative explanations.
"Jesus' christianity began in several shapes" - Explain.
"Gospels Mary/Judas" - Proof of what?
Franknarfable 1 month ago
@Franknarfable The fact it spread so fast is a case against your own hypothesis. Several Jews put their very life in line in order to practice christianity. Not to mention the apostles that decided to be killed instead of admitting Jesus was a forgery and they made up the resurrection.
1 in 10,000 could read, and some mentions r in greek, not all of them.
You seem to be unfamiliar with historian's practices to determine someone's historicity, educate yourself in history and its practices
Kesky16 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "The fact it spread so fast is a case against your own hypothesis" - Wrong. It's completely logical that if something spreads so fast throughout the Roman Empire, it has the support of the Romans. I don't think you can argue with that.
"Several Jews put their very life in line in order to practice christianity" - Who?
"Not to mention the apostles that decided to be killed" - You mean the fictional apostles from the NT?
The NT was written in Koine Greek - undebatable.
Franknarfable 1 month ago
@Kesky16 - "You seem to be unfamiliar with historian's practices to determine someone's historicity, educate yourself in history and its practices"
I think you'll find my knowledge of historicity is just fine, as is my knowledge of history and it's practices. Only a certain amount of people where ALLOWED to write after the war. Vespasian was extremely strict about what was written, what was published and distributed throughout HIS Empire.
What evidence would convince you?
Franknarfable 1 month ago
It may be impossible that someone or something doesn't or didn't exist, but you can certainly figure out the likely possibility. So when we talk about Jesus, the Jesus of the New Testament almost certainly did not exist, period. And if he did, he almost certainly was not at all like his character depicted in the New Testament. And Christ was not Jesus' last name!
Well we do know now that the cities of Bethlehem and Nazareth did not exist at that time.
EdM021 4 months ago
proving somethin that doesnt exist is impossible this vid is fail
xXBCARLXx 5 months ago
Joh 1:10-11 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, AND THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT. He came unto HIS OWN, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made MANIFEST TO ISRAEL, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
"Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and NOT UNTO THE WORLD?" John 14:22
Show me any text of the Bible that says that he came "to manifest" Himself "to the world", while I laugh at the question.
PrinceWalter 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you watched this on NetFlix. XD
Eigres1 6 months ago
anyone know Dr Price's reference to King Alexander Jenias(sp?) I've searched the internet and I can't find anything
speedformercy 7 months ago
@speedformercy wikipedia(dot)org(slash)wiki(slash)Alexander(underscore)Jannaeus
Third thing that came up.
HimesInu 6 months ago
@HimesInu thank you!!
speedformercy 6 months ago
@speedformercy I do know that Price is a sorry excuse for taking care of the human body. Look at him. All fat and can barely move and breath. What in the hell does he do all day? I thought he was a Bible scholar but it seems all he does is eat ice cream and chocolate cake? And who has tried to put a mythical character in a historical framework and make various stabs at it? Jesus existed and was crucified by Pilate. That much seems to me historical fact. But the rest of the story?
boblackey1 6 months ago
The point: you missed it.
eleutheromaniac 8 months ago
If having very few written references to Christ outside the bible within the first 150 yrs of his crucifixion qualifies Christ as a myth, then having absolutely "NO" written references eluding to Christ as a myth until 1840 (Bruno Bauer) over 1800 yrs after the crucifixion, by its own reasoning, would render the Christ myth a "NO" possibility. Internet sensationalist and many modern Jesus Mythologist fail miserably to bring anything new to the table.
alvaboyfilms 9 months ago
The Non Biblical historical evidence for the fact the Yeshua lived is completely overwhelming....to argue that Jesus did not exist is ludicrous...you can argue as to whether or not he was who he claimed to be..as that is a matter of faith...but to argue against his existence...no SANE, RATIONAL human would endeavor to do such a thing...EVEN the Hebrews...who DIDN'T want him, aren't ludicrous enough to say he didn't exist!
cclarry122700 9 months ago
@cclarry122700 And this Non Biblical historical evidence is what exactly? Keep in mind that you cannot use mentions of Jesus AFTER he supposedly died as evidence for obvious reasons. A historian talking about a figure in a story isn't proof of anything. Evidence of existence MUST include things like artifacts from when he was alive, people who actually met him and wrote about him, writings from Jesus himself, etc. Otherwise the only thing you've proven is that the stories existed.
TheAlmightyJod 8 months ago
@THEBIGCAGEY Keep your independent mind and take as much knowledge out of that college as possible. Good luck.
daobagua 9 months ago
I'm flabbergasted that people still believe in this non-sense called religion. For goodness sake people, it's the 21st century.
b1gr1g 10 months ago
Jesus was a man? yes. Did he do all the bible says he did? no. I am saying there was a Jesus. But is he still alive today? no. How can he be son of god and son of man? if he lives in us who can he come back?
MeKiAproductionss 11 months ago
@MeKiAproductionss
"Jesus was a man? yes."
No. He is a fictional character.
MomoTheBellyDancer 11 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Are you saying there was never a man called jesus? I am just saying there was man, there was somthing but now there is just human bone dust that learks this earth.
MeKiAproductionss 11 months ago
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@MomoTheBellyDancer
"Are you saying there was never a man called jesus?"
There is absolutely no evidence there ever was.
MomoTheBellyDancer 11 months ago
@MeKiAproductionss thats the whole point of this vid, some ppl say jesus never existed some ppl say he did, whether he was the son of god and had magical powers is a separate argument in itself. Obviously due to the impact Jesus has had there will be some people who will join the discussion who will say that he did exist and did have magic powers etc, but do not let them confuse you. The argument here is was there a man called Jesus at the the time who went about preaching and was crucified.
Richdavt 6 months ago
@Richdavt ummm confused. srry did not reply sonner. i dont ever use this account.
"Whatever you say"
MeKiAproductionss 3 months ago
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@MomoTheBellyDancer Are you saying there was never a man called jesus? I am just saying there was man, there was somthing but now there is just human bone dust that rest on this earth in the dirt.
MeKiAproductionss 11 months ago
ahhh....biased pseudo-scholarship at work I see....
EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever Christainity, you KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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EastofForever 1 year ago
you are a lying trolling pathetic stalking pussy
EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever Christianity, you KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever you seemed very angry 4 months ago. lawl
T3hTroll 7 months ago
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EastofForever 1 year ago
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@EastofForever Christianity, we all KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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EastofForever 1 year ago
There are a lot of intelligent views on the historical Jesus, many of them from atheists. But you just can't seriously think that Jesus isn't an historical figure. G.K. Chesterton said that when men stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing--they'll believe in anything. There's a reason why no professor at an *accredited* university believes this stuff.
Jugglable 1 year ago
@Jugglable lmao, most professors at accredited universities dont believe in god jack stick
kingjosh87 1 year ago
@kingjosh87 OK, that may be true. But I'm saying *no* professors at an accredited university believe this. Besides, what you said isn't relevant. Faith may be a minority position in academia right now but the views of this documentary are marginal to say the least. As in, wacko territory.
Jugglable 1 year ago
typical atheists, always trying to disprove the truth. the proof is in the truth
j4manasseh 1 year ago
@j4manasseh- The proof is in THE EVIDENCE and not what you claim by faith to be ''the truth''!
You can shut up with that BS!
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17, this is not a court of law, this is life!
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- Do not try to pull that crap with me! Either you have evidence for this or not!
And by the way you sound you don't have any evidence just faith and a book!
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17 there is a lot of proof, and if your really interested and actually want to know about it then go study it. its not just a book, it its self has a lot of evidence in it that has been backed and proven by archeologists. putting aside evidence and proof. when you have the Spirit of God within you the Bible isn't just printed words, it becomes God's living words. it is His Spirit that enables you to have proper understanding of it and to see it for what it is
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- lol Archeology is the study of past human societies! I'm talking about tangible and clear evidence that jesus/god was real! Not the society that these archeologists claimed THAT HE LIVED IN! ''His Spirit that enables you to have proper understanding of it and to see it for what it is'' lmao o.k. so by ''asking'' this ''Spirit'' to come into me I can understand a ''god's word''?! What a load of crap! The bible was NEVER writen by a god but by man! If it was writen by a god...
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- (con.) Then it would be clear to read and it would be understandable BY ALL PEOPLE! And you would not have to ask some ''Spirit'' for guidance!! That's just stupid! It is obvious that a god did not write the bible but bronze age men did! And let me guess you have zero evidence to back up that a god wrote the bible either, now do you?!
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17 now now whats a honey blossom like you getting all upset about. i never said God wrote the Bible. i meant that when you are in relationship with Him you have clearer understanding, something you cant understand unless you experience it yourself. it is good to read the Bible and try and prove it, but its not meant for that. it is essentially a book that can guide you through life and to know God better. just so you know i have done Bible College
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh-''something you cant understand unless you experience it yourself.'' lol Funny you should say that! I was once a christian myself, I once believed just like you! But I started to think rationally about everything I had learned, realizing that most of what your saying right now didn't make any sense I eventually left christianity. ''it is good to read the Bible and try and prove it, but its not meant for that.'' Your right, it is to have faith that can not be proven by evidence!...
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- (con.) But it need's to be! What makes you think that anything in the bible is real without ANY evidence or proof?! You don't, you just have faith in it that it's true, you can have faith in anything and that DOES NOT make it true! Christians seem not to realize that, ''guide you through life'' take a look in other non-religious nations, they live without the thought of a god and are living happy and fulfilled lives! And those nations are a lot more peaceful too!...
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17 well, i doubt you were ever a true Christian, if you really knew God and experienced Him, then there is no way you can stop believing. Yeah i have unanswered questions and i am on a journey to figured them out, but if there is one thing i know without a doubt, it is that God is real, some people / religions might know Him or know parts of Him. even Buddhism has truths to to life. but it is known that a lot of those religious people have emitted that they feel alone inside......
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- 'well, i doubt you were ever a true Christian'' Ahh, so what makes you a ''true christain'' the fact that your still in it!? ''if you really knew God and experienced Him, then there is no way you can stop believing.'' Yes there is actually, I figured out that what I was feeling was my emontions going wild for something that I believed in and was told, simple as that nothing but emotions and mental. ''Buddhism has truths to to life.'' You do know that Buddhism teaches atheism right.
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
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@j4manasseh- (con.) If they can do it then so can you! You DO NOT need a god to tell you what to do with your life! ''i have done Bible College'' What a waste, I'm sorry you wasted your money.
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17 ...especially the older more experienced ones. that is why they have this search to be perfect and to find enlightenment e.g because they do not have true happiness. and happiness is not having what you want but it is a peace in your heart of knowing God. Faith: by definition is to believe without seeing, so you don't need proof. and like i said there is a lot of proof anyway, heaps of it. open your eyes....
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- ''...especially the older more experienced ones. that is why they have this search to be perfect and to find enlightenment e.g because they do not have true happiness.'' lol So they come to this watered down, white man's religion to find ''truth'' and ''real happiness'' that come from just another fairy tale mythical god?! lmao How hilarious!! ''peace in your heart of knowing God.'' What crap. ''Know Thy Self!'' Is the problem that most people have! If you don't know christianity...
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
@j4manasseh i find it funny how people like you get so angry and are always trying to disprove Christians wrong. why do you hate God or the idea of God, is this some hurt from the past or just what you call logic
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@j4manasseh- lol why did you reply back to yourself!?
honeyblossom17 10 months ago
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j4manasseh 10 months ago
"ancient Jews and Jewish Christians"
the only "Jews" that would believe Jesus had came and died year earlier would be a very small minority, there have been many imposters pretending to be the Messiah and perhaps some would be fooled by them. and "Jewish Christians" the word Christian is derived from Christ. the followers of Christ. and is only dated after the death of Jesus.
what these guys are doing is taking the minority of mixed up stories and trying to make them look bigger than they are.
j4manasseh 10 months ago
@honeyblossom17 ...........if you want to get technical about proof then for example you might believe some fact, not because you have seen it yourself but because someone told you it, why did you believe them if you didn't go and dig that fact up your self and for all you know it isn't true.
j4manasseh 10 months ago
Jesus is real and True, and if you want to go to heaven, He is the only Way. He is God, come in the flesh to save humans who are lost, spiritually dead, alienated from the life of God in their minds by wicked works which you and I have done. So He, who knew no sin, took our sin upon Him and suffered to die, even the death of the cross, because He is Love, and Truth. He was buried, and then on the third day, He physically, historically, rose from the dead, justifying all who believe in Him.
Enoch2 1 year ago
@Enoch2 get well soon.
kram83au 1 year ago
@kram83au "That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." John 12:38-40
Enoch2 1 year ago
@Enoch2 you see its like this, 20 000 religions yet your on a sure bet, thats 20 000 -1. another thing, god was there they said, to save the miners in chile, yet he obviously doesnt like new zealanders, now dont come back with the 'god works in mysterous ways, that would only insult myself and close friends. get a grip man. and phone a friend or better still the doctor. and stop useing fear as a tool upon others,its just shameless and belittles yourself and family.
kram83au 1 year ago
@kram83au The miners in Chile is a good e.g., b/c they worshipped God, called on His Name, & trusted in Him. However, Jesus said re. a disaster:
"Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:4-5
N.Z. miners who believed in Jesus are present with the LORD and will live for ever. God holds out perfect Love to you.
Enoch2 1 year ago
@Enoch2 oopsy, sicko alert. lets have more of yer verses then, you folk love yer fairtales, so lets be be having it, but not the sick ones or the ones that contradict the bible, that wont do at all would it. like av said before if such a god stood before me, hed be in for a right good hiding for the chaos hes created. 20 000-1 , il give you 20 000-1 your messiah will never appear, sick boy.
kram83au 1 year ago
@kram83au You want more verses? Sure. The life without Christ is a life without Life, so I'll tell you how to have peace and joy and abundant life.
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Jn 6:63
Who's really the one responsible for malice and the evil in the world? That's an easy one: we are. Jesus Christ is the Saviour FROM it, if you will cry out to Him. He really changes the heart.
Enoch2 1 year ago
Pride, selfishness, despising, etc., these are all prisons the devil traps us in through the operation of sin in us. Jesus did the work of setting everyone free from these traps. Though the world does not believe, His own do believe Him. And those who believe Him have eternal life and witness the truth of His Word. Rather than making excuses for unbelief such as this video, why not read the Bible, receive faith, believe the Gospel, & know the truth and reality of Christ for yourself!
Enoch2 1 year ago 2
@Enoch2 classic. is there not a verse where jesus kills an innocent animal. lets see that one.
kram83au 1 year ago
@Enoch2 classic. is there not a verse where jesus kills an innocent animal. lets see that one.not a favorite eh, or when moses goes daft on the innocent, or do you cherry pick the fairytales.
kram83au 1 year ago
@Enoch2 classic. is there not a verse where jesus kills an innocent animal. lets see that one.not a favorite eh, or when moses goes daft on the innocent, or do you cherry pick the fairytales mr gullible
kram83au 1 year ago
@kram83au "And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand." Exod2:11f
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep."Jn10:14-15
Enoch2 1 year ago
Do you see the relationship of Moses' slaying an evil man and Jesus laying down His Life to save all evil men?
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17
There's no need to cherry pick, I give the verses you asked for, and look what we find. They testify to the salvation that is in Jesus. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Enoch2 1 year ago
@Enoch2 man you are a complete tube, what a horrible place to reside in. your sickness sits well with you.
kram83au 1 year ago
@Enoch2
"come in the flesh to save humans who are lost,"
So he offers himself to himself, to change a rule he made himself. That's retarded. Worst of all: he created everything the way it is in the first place. Your god is a moron.
MomoTheBellyDancer 11 months ago
You take away the folklore out of the bible, all you're left with is begat...begat..begat. LOL!!!
wesj1989 1 year ago
The image of the man that comes to mind when you hear "Jesus Christ" - I'm convinced that man never existed. But was he based on someone who did? and if not this is the biggest urban myth ever! This is all very intriguing and better than any mystery novel!
ahmost 1 year ago
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine; the soul who sins shall die.
- Ezekiel 18:4
ThisLightOfMine 1 year ago
Satanic talmudist propaganda . Without God we are some fish on land gradually dying!
fastleppard 1 year ago
@fastleppard Boohoo the devil doesn't exist either! All that garbage is part of religion.
gp5 1 year ago
@gp5 Boohoo the devil doesn't exist either! Well as you say the devil does not exist , but the hebrew Talmud exist, and there is no way to challenge this . Jewish puppets are one of the brainwashed who strictly obey the Antichrist , and you're one of those puppets . And another thing , the oldest trick of the devil is to say that he does not exist, "says a wise Christian maximum . Brain washed people do not put so hope in zeitgaist , because its a false masquerade.
fastleppard 1 year ago
Jewis propaganda!
fastleppard 1 year ago
God is fiction.
Karoke77 1 year ago
Good video, but Bowling for Columbine did NOT do it for gun culture.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
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God does exist !!!
1. Living God-bread of life like Jesus promised in Bible
Eucharistic miracles of Naju !
2. Manopello veil of Veronica and Jesus face and blood like on shroud of Turin, Fatima 1917, Zeitoun 1968-70, etc
3.Eucharistic Miracle Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D. till now alive, real blood AB!
4. Uncorrupted bodies of catholic’s saints
5.Calanda, Spain in 1640, a young farmer’s leg was restored to him after having been amputated two and a half years earlier
JezusSlave 1 year ago
Jesus did exist - says so in the scriptures.
tigranvartanovitch 1 year ago
@tigranvartanovitch And the scriptures are real because he says so. Woot for circular logic!
You fail.
Anarchy17SB 1 year ago
@Anarchy17SB You didn't see the sarcasm.
You fail.
tigranvartanovitch 1 year ago
@tigranvartanovitch Aw. My apologies.
You win.
Anarchy17SB 1 year ago
@Anarchy17SB Call it a draw.
tigranvartanovitch 1 year ago
lets chop down our hater tree
our hater tree, our hater tree
lets chop down our hater tree
so them haten people wont grow
lets chop down our hater tree
our hater tree, our hater tree
lets chop down our hater tree
so them haten people wont grow
MissCedarbridge1 1 year ago
Preaching to the choir, as usual. Why dedicate your life based on religion bashing?
compsciguy 1 year ago
If u take away the folk lore of the Bible what u hav is God's message to man. Also the Jewish Supreme council would meet on Passover Eve if they felt threatened by a man speaking with the Authority of God. They had made worshiping God a burden for the people and they felt threatened by Jesus.. they felt their power was being threatened. Of course they would meet on Passover Eve .
MrsMaridav 1 year ago
@MrsMaridav very good!
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
Why is it out of the question that the Jewish Supreme Council would meet on PassOver eve, as Mr Price states? They had what they considered a crisis on their hands: they had a man who was speaking with the Authority of God ,making waves in their towns, making people question their authority. They had made God's Ways to become a burden on people and they knew it they knew they could lose their power over the people and they were scared. Of course they would meet on Passover eve. Read the Bible.
MrsMaridav 1 year ago
@JohnfromPerth Unfortunately, you failed to take your cathartic and he was all brown and nasty upon withdrawal. He got VD from you and never recovered. Don't you feel proud of yourself?
k0smon 1 year ago
Johnfromperth, may God have mercy on your sick soul. You have no clue of the price you will have to pay for your demonic evil little what you find funny statement. I hope you remove yourself from your sickness and repent!!!
jhartist123 1 year ago
Sweedishcarina, that's very sad. Your gran shouldn't have treated you that way. We come to Jesus simply by faith and after that the holy spirit begins to teach us Gods word. I came to Jesus 27 years ago and he has taught me his word over those years. I'm still learning it. It would take eternity to learn it all. You did nothing wrong by questioning what you were being taught. I begg you consider Jesus and his word again. I pray you find the truth. God bless you!
jhartist123 1 year ago
I was raised a baptist, and I never thought that anything my pastor said made sense. When I was 12 I questioned if Jesus and God existed. My gran got very upset, and had me read the King James bible front to back. It made no sense. (NOT because of how it is was written either, FYI, I read Beowulf when I was 8 and understood it.) So many inconsistencies, double standards, and so on. Reading the bible made me a nonbeliever.
Swedishcarrina 1 year ago
@Swedishcarrina When I first started to read the bible, I had a similar experience. It seemed to go nowhere, just go around in circles. If that was the 'word of God', he was a lousy author.
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon God didn't write it, man did. If you didn't know that, then i feel sorry for you. don't condemn God because of the bible.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@VegasSkateCulture You are absolutely correct. about the bible. My understanding is that the NT was mostly put together by Constantine and the council of Nicea. I believe only in the Creator, no lords or saviors necessary.
k0smon 1 year ago
@Swedishcarrina I read Beowulf when i was 16, and loved it!
The bible isn't Gods only hand out toward us. If you don't like the bible, try to find God inside of yourself like a normal person.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
Follow the god that failed and bow to leper messiah
guitarman122508 1 year ago
This robert m price is full of crap
mexman48 1 year ago
jesus is real! is he wasnt we wouldnt be alive. jesus an =d god leet's bad things happen 2 us 2 teach a lesson and because we have FREE WILL look up the song wait and see! we have to wait and see to see what our plan is from god
PianoDancinGirl4Eva 1 year ago
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Peace be upon him who follows true guidance and believes in Allâh and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, He has taken neither a wife nor a son, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. I call you unto the fold of Islam; if you embrace Islam, you will find safety (and peace).
2009abuabdullah 1 year ago
life without a god and especially biblical gog i sure not dirty or necessary dirty, but anyway i cant argue with a 5 year old or an older with a 5 year old child's brain, believing that hell exists!?!?!?!
linos77 1 year ago
are you kidding me? who told you that only earth has life, i guess bible! and about polar bears or tigers, have you heard of evolution? just thing for a moment, caves or cracks in earth were made by god to host microorganisms and other species that are living there OR water through years created underground caves and crack and some microorganisms evolved to survive in conditions without light etc?
linos77 1 year ago
idid read it not as a believer, for every paragraph, especially from Old testment, i can give you 100 proofs how stupid you are. there are bilion of planets, at least one should be in the right place.Helloooo!!!even if there is a god that create this beautiful universe, 1 thing is for sure....its not the one described at the bible!!! stupids!!
linos77 1 year ago
Somebody is going way too far with the 1990s style video effects, im trying to listen with an open mind but I feel like im watching from inside a dumpster thats being shaken up.
JoeMikeGent 1 year ago
it is so funny how stupid people are... jesis was a joke and the mother fucker is dead, now
JourneyOfXistence 1 year ago
Check out a site that lists the REAL Historical and documented evidences concerning the Bible and Jesus, rather than the proposed ,opinionated and unbacked suggestions presented by beyondbeliefmedia.
Here's the site:
w w w . thedevineevidence . com
Lets get educated in history people.
Lut41 1 year ago
this video it's a lie !!
chazzzclau 2 years ago
@chazzzclau bible is the biggest lie my friend and stupid is someone that has read it and hasnt reject it.
linos77 1 year ago
its history, now what?
mickeykozzi 1 year ago
Nowhere in either of the books of Peter does it claim that Herod killed Jesus. This video is full of deception/lies.
BloodTar 2 years ago
One question, what does the historical cosensus say? Thgis video is like watching a YEC video on how evolution is wrong, you idiots are a minority in the historical community. Branded the lunatic fringe like the YECs.
ogirv101 2 years ago
When I read Hitchen's ,"god is not Great," he mentioned when he finally put away the idea of faith he never had a greater desire to be a good person. It's strange, though it took a few weeks, I felt the same. @ joshuameeker, you're right on.
VanGoghsEar1890 2 years ago 12
Jesus is not a god cuz he never said he was one + u can't even see a god in human form. he was a messenger, sent by the god to deliver good words.
CJ4mPJ 1 year ago
@CJ4mPJ If you want to know where in the Bible Jesus states that He is God, let me know. I'll show you, several times. Thats if you accept what the Bible claims as His actual words.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
@tbirdpunk .You have got to be the most inane, ignorant, delusional freak I've heard. .
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 How am I inane, ignorant, or delusional by pointing out in Scripture where Jesus claims to be God? Your rant at me is probably the most off-topic and pointless statement made by someone on Youtube I've ever seen.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
@tbirdpunk
well jesus never wrote the bible so i don't believe in it....
CJ4mPJ 1 year ago
@CJ4mPJ Regardless of who wrote it, the claimed data is there. Once again, another random comment by someone who is simply seeking to make inflammatory comments for no real reason. Thank you for taking time out of your busy evening to let me know you don't believe what is written in the Bible.
tbirdpunk 1 year ago
@tbirdpunk
no am not try to prove u wrong or state any wrong information
...you can not believe the stuff writen by a men
CJ4mPJ 1 year ago
@CJ4mPJ Wrong .LOL
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
alright
CJ4mPJ 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 same here
kainen789 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 It as simple as the concept that the God he denounced in wasn't right. Faith is not specific. How do I know this? because all teachings of God say that he loves every one unconditionally. An atheism doesn't believe in the God he created himself, thus being the wrong perception. It's all going to be in my book, The myth of Atheism. He wanted to be a better person, because when he put away the idea of faith, he got closer to God!
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 high have a nice day.
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
@TheLovesoul1 Thank you very much. Same to you and you're more than welcome to stop by my channel anytime. Cheers, VGE1890
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
@TheLovesoul1 You don't have Love if you haven't received God's Love by believing in His work on the Cross for you and me: the ultimate work of Love! Apart from Jesus Christ, there is no true love, only counterfeits.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:1
"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 10:9
Enoch2 1 year ago
@Enoch2
You don't have Love if you haven't received Allah's love by beleving Mohamad is his messenger. Apart from Allah, there is no true love, only counterfeits.
Sounds stupid to you because you don't believe in Islam, huh. Well, you sound just as dumb to the people who don't believe in Christianity.
SongBirdJesusFreak 1 year ago
@SongBirdJesusFreak Hi! Well, let's look at that. "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 Jn 4:8
Allah is not love, the Koran makes no such claim. If you don't believe in Truth, all claims will appear alike to you, though they are not.
Jesus spoke of men like Muhammad:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matt 7:15-16
Enoch2 1 year ago
this is hard to digest. not saying it's true or false. it sucks when you're questioning your faith, doesn't feel too good.
red12512 2 years ago
Trust me, it gets better... One day you will wake up and feel "free" again... It only "sucks" for a little while. Then, you just feel sorry for everyone you know that still believe... It is heartbreaking...
joshuameeker 2 years ago
lol, ok. i think i'll stay in denial just a little bit longer, until after my catholic wedding in aug.
red12512 2 years ago 2
Which is more likely: That the whole natural order is suspended or that a Jewish minx should tell a lie?
~David Hume
MilitantScience 2 years ago
For those who haven't seen the entire documentary, I highly recommend it. It is well researched and very provocative. I always suspected this purported Jesus was mythological, now I'm sure of it.
joethemoproductions 2 years ago 2
amazing video
Nowitzki25 2 years ago
sup with the arguing? should be trying to seek knowlege of what's real and what is fiction
BrandonHawk21 2 years ago
I think it works all 3 ways, propaganda for one side, one for another, and one for people who just haven't had the experiences in question. I know I am not sick or anything, I know what I saw and talked to and he wasn't wrong about anything.
thewriterfanlJesus 2 years ago
Here is what I think. If they were right. Then what did I see at work, how did I survive being dead 18 times, clincally dead, and what did I see at church my whole life if Jesus and God didn't exsist and then what did Moses see and other people over the years? They can't answer those and I know what I saw and what I felt and what he did to me, and I know their wrong, and stop harassing people you and the people commenting.
thewriterfanlJesus 2 years ago
This movies are only propaganda
and also part of the world deception for the comiing antichristian new age
KchristianX 2 years ago
... and this world is horrible. We'll eat you alive while in bondage, and we will cut a reverse pentagram into your stomach. Rape, murder, masturbation, cursing, lying, hating, drinking, smoking, and fucking -- all the time, 24/7! This world is dead, it is worth nothing. So much, in fact, that we should detonate this ball-o-shit! Fuck the heathens, yeah!
mbro96 2 years ago
@mbro96 Don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love. lol
perchedeagle2 2 years ago
It is about time we had an antichristian age. Do you have any idea the number of brutal and gruesome crimes done by christians.
Christian philosophy appeals to the basest of human characteristics: chauvinism, elitism, anti-intellectualism, and viciousness.
I find it ironic that christians call anything that challenges their mythology propaganda.
joethemoproductions 2 years ago
@ joethemoproductions ...
wow you are so naive and ignorant
First christianity is not a mitology
Second the Propaganda is Everywhere even in the church and the Anti-Religious groups and the Luciferian New Age Groups etc ..
KchristianX 2 years ago
The gospel of Peter does not put the event at a different time from the canonical gospels, by the way.
MetaMorphy 2 years ago