I truly hope that people start getting what Milton Friedman started with the Chicago Boys and how much damage and innocent deaths he consequently is accounted for. Read Klein's book and read all the sources she states if necessary, but please try to see the truth. Talking about his ideas on education is just not worth it...he didn't see past system's flaws even after they blew up in his face(i.e. the whole South America)...
The quote at the end really gets to me. Where she says he wanted to "take advantage" of the people of New Orleans. What does Milton Friedman have to gain by hurting the people of New Orleans?
Naomi Klein can only imagine the world as a zero sum game.
Milton Friedman didn't want to exploit the children of New Orleans. He wanted a school system that allowed students and their parents to choose the kind of schooling they wanted. He wanted a system under which schools and teachers who served students best would be rewarded and emulated, while schools and teachers who failed to serve their students would be allowed to fail.
@GarrettPetersen Milton Friedman's ideas for education are antiquated. Please look up "Finland's Education System" on youtube. They are using the best practices in education and they have the #1 system in the world.
We will either wake up to the truth or wake up to a very different country. Billions are being spent on the right wing propaganda machines. Naomi Klein is telling the hard truth and you'd better believe it.
So, then, the left wasn't ready for the Katrina crisis, so they lost and the right wing won? Ms. Klein doesn' seem to be against using a crisis to advance leftist causes, thus taking advantage of those who are in shock. She just doesn't want conservatives and Milton Friedman doing it. Am I hearing her right? Amazing.
Excuse me, but I have been to both publicly and privately (charter) owned schools, and the BEST education I have received was at the charter school. Parents are more involved and students have more of a say in what they want in their school. Public schools keep parents out to force their ideals on the students without any backlash. Honestly, I just heard about this lady, and so far, I think she's full of shit.
How does she have the audacity to connect corporatism and free-market ideals? Or crony capitalism with free-market ideology? It is like she has no idea what she is talking about. And look at what vouchers have done for urban schools in L.A as well as Cleveland. Honestly why does she just insist to bash ideas without actually looking at the fact that these charter schools are actually way better than the public ones. Slandered Milton's name, just slandered.
"take advantage of the people of New Orleans"... ??!! Our public schooling system is a joke. Charter schools is not based around the idea of making a profit. Its about creating a better schooling system for children. This process is done better with a profit and competition model.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ just like our failed private health care system? the new orleans school system was bad because it was mostly black and neglected by our racist white state legislature.
you don't understand the concept of "disaster capitalism" do you? it can be natural disasters or man made ones, it doesn't matter. corporations and their politicians then circle like vultures on the victims and steal the land and public capital for themselves. new orleans was a man made disaster.
@tomitstube We don't have a private health care system. Half of our health care system is paid for by the government, which also interferes greatly with pointless regulations that support corporations and hurt the people. This article below sums it up pretty well.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ lol, that article you sourced is written by a conservative think tank that endorses milton friedman. it's funded by the private health care industry. hahahahahahaha
is the irony of that completely lost on you? thanks for the laugh.
@tomitstube The Mises Institute is advances the Austrian school of economics, not Chicago school which Friedman is associated with. They have many similar beliefs, but have a much different stance on monetary policy. It is not funded by private health care companies. Private health care companies feed of the corporatist system. They hate free markets. They love rigged ones.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wrote it. No one can reasonably say we have free market health care in this country.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ seriously, it took 4 clicks to find your article mired in conservative think tanks. it's written by shikha dolmia, of forbes and 'the reason'. 'the reason', (wikipedia) "got a resounding endorsement from milton friedman and the wall street journal" the reason features "privatization publications" (can you be anymore anti-public health?) and the reasons health care writer peter suderman, writes for the 'national review', a who's who of anti "socialist" health care.
@tomitstube Disaster capitalism is supported by Keynesian/socialist economists like Paul Krugman that say horrible tragedies like the attack on 9/11 are good for the economy because they create new construction jobs and also talk about the "benefits" for the economy by going to war. Austro-libertarians are opposed to war and believe that the war economy is a detriment to society.
Also, private does not = evil. Taxation is a form of theft and is therefore, immoral.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ ok, now your just making stuff up. naomi klein wrote the book and disaster capitalism includes war. the bush war in iraq. and if you want to call taxation theft, then you need look no further than milty friedman and the republican ideology of corporate welfare. progressive taxation provides stability and equality. and that's what you're opposed to isn't it? "equality" and a fair playing field. friedmanism is nothing but grift & corruption designed to create inequality.
@tomitstube I didn't make anything up. I never said Klein didn't talk about war and disaster capitalism. I'm simply showing that war-for-profit isn't something designed by Milty. It started long before his time and both parties support it. The Austrian school is libertarian, not republican. We oppose all forms of public welfare, but strongly support private forms of welfare. Grift & corruption is inherent in government which is why corporations do all they can to get in bed with government.
@tomitstube If you want to better understand my point of view, please watch this video (watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A). I have nothing against progressives, liberals, "conservatives", etc. I just firmly disagree with their views. I think civil liberties are just as important as economic liberties. This youtube video is about 13 minutes long. Its very thought provoking and i guarantee it is from a perspective you have never seen the world from. At least watch the first couple of minutes please! I beg you!
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ i watched that video and it's complete nonsense. what can i tell you, can you even tell me what i'm supposed to get from it? it would seem that it's about taxes being equal to slavery, i literally have no idea wtf it was about.
without taxes, nothing works. services cost an arm and a leg and only the rich control everything, there are no rights, it's complete chaos with everyone out for themselves, it's like tribal sectarian warfare that's in different countries now.
@tomitstube Apparently you don't know anything about anarcho-capitalism or voluntary societies. There is no need for taxes.
The rich always do everything in their power to take over government so they can abuse it. The rich hardly pay taxes while they feed on off of the everyday tax payer. I don't see what is moral about that.
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ we aren't that far off. i agree our system is corrupt and has been usurped by robber barons thru disaster capitalism. but if you think a system of no taxes or central government is better then you need to brush up on your history. it's why a democratic government was born. no matter what system you choose there will be collusion with big money interests. a strong democratic government with separation of powers is the best model yet. we need to get it back.
@tomitstube I am familiar with history which is why I think government is not the answer. Government has been the the norm around the world for thousands of years and they constantly dominate their people. The US was at its most prosperous when the government was kept small. The creation of the Fed ensured our future expansion of a bloated government built for corporate oligarchs that constantly demand more from the people. The government can't protect you from those who control it
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ well then, you don't know your history, and you over generalize about government. this country in fact was at it's best from the forties thru the sixties, creating a middle class that made us the envy of the world. and what we've had since is john birch libertarianism and reagan conservatism, or the decline of that prosperous period, in which income disparity, poverty, the homeless, wages, access to health care, and just about every other quality of life has fallen.
@tomitstube Birchers have had no affect on policy since their inception. Reagan spoke like a libertarian but expanded government like a typical two party politician. Yes, there were periods of great prosperity after the Fed was created, but we also had the worst. The great depression was sustained by interventionist governments of Hoover and FDR. The US has been declining because of high taxes, regulations and a sharply devaluing currency. Going off the gold standard in 1971 has been devastating
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~1) birchers heavily influence the tea party. the koch brothers literally came from the john birch society.
2) the depression was caused by the wall street. hoover was a staunch believer in not using the government to either regulate wall street and the banks, or help with 25% unemployment, or use the government to stabilize the economy. every economist in the world agrees this approach was disastrous.
3) the gold standard limited growth. the debt is another animal.
@tomitstube OMG Rachel Maddow? Is that you? What a bunch of nonsense. It sounds like you lifted that str8 from the Establishment-left talking points. The Crash was caused by the Fed, The Depression was caused by Hoover and prolonged by FDR. Do a search on youtube for "depression 1920". The government did nothing to intervene and the depression was over shortly. Our fiat currency system is a disaster and will be the final nail in our collective coffin
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ no, i just repeated facts. you should try them some time. and you should really try to ween yourself off lunatic fringe libertarian conspiracy theories. or you might start sounding like a john birch, ayn rand, milton friedman nut...
"the government did nothing to intervene and the depression was shortly over". oops! too late.
@tomitstube I don't know what lunatic fringe conspiracy theory you are talking about. I didn't mention one. Also, what do you mean by "oops! too late"?
Climate Disruption is ALL LIES! The 2-party system Democrat Republican, Liberal Conservative, is ALL LIES!
BANKERS ARE THE ENEMY
Focus on BANKERS. Eliminate BANKERS. Destroy Federal Reserve System. Eliminate irredeemable debt currency and its associated fractional reserve system.
@centurion180ad - I agree with everything you said except your denile in human global interference. If you ever had a fishtank, or terrarium you would know how easy it is to upset the balance. We are directly responsible for release of billions of particulates of c02, plastics, chemicals, aerisols, carbon monixide, billions of gallons of oil. - 1 drop of oil can contaminate THOUSANDS of gallons of water. -Hazwoper certified, worked for corrupt used oil recycling company. We are ravaging earth.
Bankers and Multi National Companys are so powerful that they can and do influence what governments do and it is in there interests to have cheap labour and poverty in country's, If you have a bad credit rating try and get a credit card that only charges you 7% APR ....You cant get one ....But you can get one that charges 29%APR ??????
@ayotteted In many cases such as Ameica, Bankers have taken over entire governments and are plundering national treasuries an entire series of capital crimes.
ummmm....the public school system in the U.S. is a mess. a lot of it has to do with the teachers unions. curriculum has become politicized and then she wonders why people would take advantage of being able to send their kids to a school that is safe and actually teaches them something?
fuck the public school system. its just a way to indoctrincate the youth. Im not so sure charter schools are any better unless they get paid by how well the students learn. I was in private school until the 8th grade and wasnt getting the best grades and then my grades skyrocketed once I enrolled in private school. Not because it was easy but because my teachers actually gave a shit.
This is a deeper problem than economics. If its not the economy its religion, if its not religion its race and so on and so on. People need something to fight about no matter how absurd the reason.
capitalism provoke us to be greedy, and we are indroctinated to beleive that it's natural human behavior. There can be cooperation and developement without greed. Cooperation instead of competition.
Great video, thanks for publishing this! Please consider removing the titles in the beginning and the end of part 2-5: they are actually not necessary and disturb the view flow.
@mad8london247 LOLI got a good laugh out of you calling someone else a quisling when you so obviously are one.
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Naomi Klein is nothing but a liar and a fraud and there's the evidence, honestly, you're insane devotion to this woman is downright silly, she is but a fraud a fake and a political hack trying to get away with revisionist history
@mad8london247 Just a man that can put two and two together.
Also, a few years ago I had a chance to meet and speak with people that actually been at Tiananmen Square, learn from them and hear about their struggle.
The way Naomi Klein misrepresents these people is nothing short of spitting in their face.
Sudennly, all of the results of a hurricane can be interpreted as the fault of Milton Friedman (a dead guy) and the "right wing think tank complex."
Brilliant.
I also find it amazing that she considers "public money going to private schools" to be somehow worse than public money going to schools that are also monopolized by the government.
Competition and choice is better than monopoly any day. It is just a way to take power from the government and give it to the people.
And to say that it gives power to markets is absurd, and an abuse of language.
Investors are people to, but to think that the power to choose your level of investment somehow translates to real pollitical power and influence is shockingly ignorant.
Privatizing public utilities transfers power to market forces and the unaccountable tyranny of shareholders and boardrooms. That's not an abuse of language - that's a fact.
Putting economic power in the hands of tyrannical governments however isn't the answer either. The key is to reform democracy so that it responds to the needs of people, not profit.
Since market forces are not accountable, they must be tyrannical.
Similarly, the forces of nature are unnacountable, and so nature must be tyrannical.
Shareholders are driven by the profit motive, not reciprocal altruism, the mob mentality, the thirst for power, or a desire to contribute to some ideological cause.
Accountability is only important for those with real political authority and power.
Nature doesn't need to be accountable to anyone. If anything, we are accountable to nature. We need to live within the boundaries of what nature can tolerate to sustain life on Earth.
The rest of your comment, about shareholders being tyrannical, I agree with.
They exist only to tempt boardrooms with their purchasing potential, and to punish boardrooms with thier selling potential, and to play boardrooms against one another with thier trading abilities.
Shareholders have fixed the game so that they always come out on top.
@egokick, I never said humans were unnatural. The point I made is that if humans have got any sense, they will learn to live within nature's limits otherwise nature will destroy them. Or do you think since we are part of the natural world, we have a right to dominate and destroy it?
@bazmataz We have the power to do anything within the limits of the physical universe, "rights" do not restrain the actions of those with the power and will to do something. Rights are a lovely concept we made up that might if adhered to make things nicer, but, they are just opinions, they aren't set in stone and they can change if we want them to. We certainly have the power, the ability, to destroy our environment, but if we do, we will have to live with the consequences.
but that is to her advantage, since her appeal is purely due to emotionalism, and claims that she can not possibly support or defend with elaboration.
Dance with the devil you'll pay the piper! The atrocities that the Arab people now face has been imposed upon the Natives of "America", as well as "Black Americans" 1st. Selected eastern Arabs are going through much! But then again, "history does has a case of repeating itself." The Arab Elite has sold out their people for 40 shekels. They enjoined with Euro' Corporates that conspired the evil Middle Passage/Transatlantic Slave Trade. Their land is now cursed under Karma! Who's next?
Noami Klein is a fucking idiot and only spurts theoretical gibberish about crap!
the bottom line is that publicly funded organizations become dependent and therefor limited in their capacity to produce goods/services... private, not so much.
the trick is utilizing both public & private which is very, very, very hard.
Noami Klein has allt theory and none of the organizational experience.
It is evident you are not willing to see the world as it really is. You would rather have corporate decisions ruling your life as opposed to a government "by, for and of the people"? The USA had such hope!
Yes, i think with capitalism, the greed, as we know now, they find a way to rob people's and countrieś resources, the case of Bolivia, with the provinces in the hands of traitors to his country, race,in favor of multinational companies, the case of gas and lithium, the american goverment and his private companies will try to make a civil war for theese resources, remember nicaragua, they cry for deregulation remember.
We non-americans should leave the privatizations to the USA if they like it, and build our economies outside globalization, go back to import substitution and look for our internal market, without supermarkets, without conveniece stores, to keep control of what we eat, our health, without big companies puting aspartame and other poissons in our food. et al
Katrina was an experiment using HAARP. Traces of several types of explosion was discovered. at 17 district & other. The breech took place after the storm not during the storm. Government engineering placed explosive devices to secure rich areas from flood. China/Russia complained to U.N regarding the weather manipulation device to which America replied it couldnt be in violation since it was self inflicted. Media propaganda, Mossad, Black water shoot to kill policies etc. Katrina was a success.
Moreover, socialism is an ECONOMIC system, that measures success based on its ability to care for the needs of those involved, rather than making individual profit the only standard for economics - wealth trickles up, not down - privitization puts public goods into the hands of unelected people who don't have you're intrests in mind, that's why resources and money are used for things like designer slippers and infomerical garbage while people starve - it seems like common sense - need > want
Socialism doesn't measure success at all, that's the point. If socialism really measured success on the ability to care for the needs of those involved virtually every socialist program would have been stopped in it's first year. Privatisation puts goods that AREN'T public goods in the hands of the unelected, which I love. Look up what "public goods" means. Almost every good thing I get is from unelected people who don't have my interests in mind, and that's as true for you.
Yes, I understand that her arguement is different from the traditional bullshit you hear on the cable news - but as people who read books on this subject and crazy things like that instead of watching television, might tell you that her arguements are based on fact - you know, her book does have an extensive bibliography, she's a fucking journalist, sources are key
The socialst governments you mean? Then ones who interfered in the market to cause the current crisis? To claim the current crisis as a failure of the market is either breathtaking ignorance of breathtaking dishonesty.
The socialist goverment ? WHICH ONES ?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!
Trying to deny the failure of a system based on the market is impossible this time i m afraid.
If you want to live in a society with even less regulations, go for it, it exists right now, ir's called the jungle, and that's all market capitalism offers.
Wow you're a bad liar or appallingly ignorant. Is there not thousands of pages of regulations governing the financial system? Is it not one of the most regulated areas of the economy? I mean read the regulations relating to the banking sector and get back to me, I'll wait the year or so it takes you to do it.
Bad liar or ignorant ? Wow, you sure know how to enhance your point of view.
It s because the regulations permitted the banks and the market to build up subprimes and other dangerous products that we have to get them out of the shit.
Capitalism without regulation has another name, the jungle.
you look so appallingly blind to the facts that there can be no debate.
Live in your dreams of jungle, i ll be seeking a better way to have a fair society going.
The regulations didn't "permit" the banks and the market to build up the subprimes, they _required_ it. The government was behind the explosion of bad credit. The facts are the the most regulated market in the economy was the one that caused the problem. To base a claim that unregulated markets were the problem is bizarre. You are not seeking a better way to have a fair society, if you were you would inquire as to the cause of the current unfairness.
WTF? New Orleans was a NATURAL disaster waiting to happen! No amount of private or government insurance or protections would have been able to stop this kind of thing from happening. FEMA failed, miserably, so too would have any gov funded disaster managment scheme ran by the most efficiant state in the world.
We know that The King of Jackasses was in charge for eight years after stealing the election. As far as i'm concerned the Jackass party can retire to the digesters so "they can give back" sooner rather than later Come on say it we all know it was the party in power that pulled off 911. Those building were imploded, and it was far from just terrrorist luck that the demolition was completed on one day. It is essentially a class war of rich vs. poorer. i wish i could see the GOP demolished.
charter schools receive public money but arent subject to the same rules as public schools in exchange for some accountability for producing certain results which are set in the school's charter. they are part of the public education system and are not allowed to charge tuition. they are part of the public education system and do not charge tuition. some school districts allow corporations to open chains of for-profit charter schools.
Its funny that Klein had the same view as her book title accuses her enemies of having. She looked at Katrina and thought political opportunity. Some people looked at government built levies breaking and flooding a city that wouldnt exist with out them and people that are products of public schools too poor to have a car and think maybe the top down socialist thing isnt working. But there all psychotic and evil of cores
Shock Doctrine ties it all together. Plus, I'd rather listen to Naomi Klein any day over those normal windbags at the Heritage, Enterprise blah blah blah Institute/Foundation. She's much more sexy!
No, she just blames corporativism for taking adventage of the shock that people went thru after Katrina to pull off the "reforms" people of New Orleans would never consent to back in the fully democratic situation. Like after Tsunami Sri Lanka was forced to sell the lands for turism and disposses fishermen, in Iraq the post-war shock was used to privatise economy, loot Iraq and open it totally for foreign investments and import which crashed the economy even more and made Iraquis even poorer.
Yes, and she blames the corporatism on Milton Friedman. Who spoke adamantly against it. And that is just one of the ways she misrepresents Friedman's positions.
Its not about profit; its about getting the job done. Private schools do it better, because they have to compete for your business. The purpose of the educational system is to teach kids, not to give teachers pay raises. All liberals do is throw money at the problem.
Throwing money at a problem works very well! The F-117, the V-22, algae based hydrogen production, and many more "problems"! Taking money away is like you not paying your rent! You lose your home. What we need to do is find better examples of school systems and/or techniques that work. Chinese and Japanese schools for start. And not all liberals think alike. A good idea is a good idea and I dont care where it comes from! I will do homework by looking into your idea. It may have merit after all!
Thank you for informing me (and everyone)about this. The shock we are facing now is oil scarcity, it's interesting to speculate on what is to come and who will be ready to fill the void...
I admire this woman so much. I've read in one week "The Shock Doctrine". It's a great book. It shows the dark side of globalization, the dark side of global finance, the brutal reality behind dictatorship in Latin America, the new global leadership after the fall of Berlin Wall. It shows also the application of Friedman economic theory in Eastern Europe and South America. I've read with great interest the part about Bush administration full of corruption and Iraqui war... This book open ur mind
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this lady is like the anti- francis fukuyama. not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but she's trying really hard to just say the opposite of all the neocons. here's an idea come up with a new idea or keep your mouth shut.
"The Economy" is just a mathematical model of the flow of value through our societies. It is not the great provider and punisher.
It is not like your favorite sports team.
It should not be a religion.
It IS just something we made up. Ya, thats right, it is fiction. We made it up and guess what......we can change it.
We can redifine GDP for example. If we redifine GDP then it will go up or down as we chose. All the related indicators, like growth or dept to GDP ratio will also change.
Ourearthhome No one starved under feudalism? Besides if you pissed the Lord off he could just chop off your head. Yea sounds like just where the Neocons are headed!
They have already jailed thousands without charge. Suspended habeas corpus, what is next?
Naomi, you never say here what you would recommend for New Orleans or for the next time. Some of us are well prepared. As a condition of receiving any assistance from outside government require local taxing jurisdictions to eliminate all taxes on improvements and increase the tax on land values to as near 100% of rental values as possible. In this way no land speculator can cash in on the recovery and capital investment for rebuilding is encouraged. Pay for schools out of the land tax. Well?
Why is the European public school system good and our so bad?
Europeans have been educated and now have extensive socialist public systems. We have been undereducated and are privatizing what few public systems we had.
Do you right wingers posting on here really believe everything should be run for profit and if it is not profitable then society can just do without it?
But the intelligence needed right now is the intelligence all schools try to eradicate, the kind that is needed to solve massive problems in our world politics and style of life, not ones in our hospitals and courts and so on. Education systems are good for creating people that maintain the status quo, and further degrade us, but they arent really offering much in terms of REAL human advancement, except perhaps science. We need new thinking, and new tools, not the ones that made the problems.
English Education was top notch at one point but now its different, your not allowed opinions your taught to accept whatever your dictated, its got shit too basicly.
They dont want us educated anymore they've got enough rich people they just need dumb slaves, shocking isnt it.
Hey feudalism was not a bad thing. No one starved and when it was working at its best the landowning nobles paid for public services out of the rent they collected from their tenants. It was called noblesse oblige. Recognition of common rights to use of land was alive and well. Unlike today when the nobles keep the rent and force the peasants to pay for government services out of their earned income on top of what they have to pay in rent. Oh for the good old days. Now its just noblesse.
Friedman advocated public funding of the student rather than the provider. He felt that welfare gains could be made by allowing the student (parents) the autonomy to choose the service. Thats not taking advantage of anyone. If all this woman can think to do is sully the name of a dead who actually had ideas, then she dosent deserve our attention.
who says capitalism has to be free? during the cold war we put up countless coutnries that were completely capitalist but murdered hundreds of thousands of their own people. freedom is not measured by capitalism. during FDR's stay american companies were puting plans together to do the same thing here. maybe one day they'll get around to it.
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Taking advantage of New Orlean residents by providing private education?
Isn't private education usually regarded as far better? I have yet to hear anyone say, "you didn't know that -- must've been that fancy private school you went to."
The teacher's union is the biggest obstacle to quality education in the U.S. Watch John Stossel's "Stupid in America" (on youtube).
I managed, however, to learn some economics in spite of that.
You, on the other hand, have not. (Don't ask me how I know this -- I just do.)
Mercantilism and Marxism are dead. They've been rotting in their graves for over a hundred years; it's disgusting to see someone dig them up and be taken seriously.
We don't have a "free-market" economic system, so how can you blame it? The democrats and republicans are all for manufacturer-decimating "free trade," illegal aliens who steal Americans' jobs, and even war!
Progressives are the left wing of twin groups who WANT TO RULE. If progressives did they would be another brand of heavy-handed elitists.
I'll make up my mind about free markets when I see them!
Gated communities, within gated communities, within gated communities, etc., this is humanity's future under unrestrained capitalism. And this is apparently the version of freedom and progress of individuals such as kulza23 and Chall6.
America is on the horns of a dilemma: either it bocomes a full-fledged fascist state or its neocon-dominated system collapses and is transformed again into the beacon of hope that it was when it declared its idependence.
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Naomi does not really understand the world at all. Her way is not liberty---and yes, baby, drill--drill--and also keep up the alternatives. We need both. I doubt that Naomi could do anything for New Orleans--except more bitching and moaning.
where is the humanity on this page of comments. the breaking of levey's was allowed to break as the infrastructer in this country maybe in your neighborhood something will let go and then it will be considered a different story? was it funny the neo cons laughed while watching on their plasma T.V.'s making rude malicious comments of them while making plans for their new community?
It's very immature for Naomi to say free marketers are "psychotic". This is just an ad hominem.
I used to consider myself a socialist, and now I'm a libertarian. I now see socialism as an ideology rooted in violence. However, I don't see Naomi and other socialists as "psychotic" because they believe what they do. They simply don't know what the free market is and what libertarianism really means.
They crushed the teachers union and brought 500% more private schooling in as a response to the crisis - what do you think of these moves by the suited elites in their think tanks. Don't tell me you support Milton? Free markets assume we are all the same as one another to a larger degree and legitimise stealing state repair funds...
Socialism is actually rooted not rooted in violence. If you've ever read the Communist Manifesto Marx never states the revolution needs to be violent. The best way to make change is to educate the public, because capitalism is failing. Many countries in Europe and around the world are already adopting worker-owned factories and socialist programs like free education and health care. This is happening without violence.
Socialism IS rooted in violence. Take your example of "free" health care. People have to pay for it by taxes. What about those who do not want to pay because they disagree? They are fined or thrown in jail. This is an initiation of force, which is violence.
Thus, socialism is no different than a bully - you have to do what they say or you face the consequences.
If an ideology cannot tolerate disagreement, then it must be one of coercion.
So what happens to be people in America who do want free health care? What you said makes no sense, because you can flip that argument completely around. So people who don't make enough money to pay for healthcare are left on the street to die. Looks they don't have a choice either. Good argument.
As a scandinavian, I simply cannot understand how an advanced industrialized nation like the US do not have sociolised medicin. The inhumanity of privatised medicin really digusts me. That the security and value of your life an health should be equal to the size of your wallet it not libertarian, its fascist!
Well, the security of my life is not worth more than liberty.
Of course you can't protect liberty if you don't protect life.
There are free clinics in the U.S. It is not privatized medicine vs. socialized medicine.
By the way, the USA has been de-industrialized and faces major economic consequences of that. Whatever system the democrats come up with during the period of 2009-12 will probably make us pine for the old system.
cd060170: What you've just suggested (Well, the security of my life is not worth more than liberty.) is astoundingly idiotic, and the singular reason why the human race is in this mess. What value has your life if you do not have true liberty. you sir, are a Clone!
You really should find out what fascism is and does before you throw around the word. Actually the system is fascist, but not becuase it's excessively privatised. It isn't, it's got excessive government intervention. That's why an OBGYN has to know neurology that they don't use and a neurologist needs to know obstetrics before they're allowed to practice. For both the additional information is useless and expensive. We don't require makers of car to know how to make a motorcycle do we?
@sPalsg money, government & corporate bed fellows calling the shots-USA is not a democracy but a plutocracy, just ask a Native American and look at their livelihood.
And if capitalism was a person that would make sense. Global capitalism has (when it is allowed to) fed more people, clothed them, funded their education and generally made more people better off than socialism ever could.
Yes tell you your lies in my country Mexico, inmediately during and after the earthquake of 1985, the stupid goberment started the application of the World Bank Recipes, with the most expensive banking services in the world, then the railroads, and they wanted the electrical company and PEMEX, privatizing social goods is like a bucaneer, privatizing the profits and like now socializing the looses. What a clever guys
Well for a start since when is the World Bank pro-capitalist? Banking services aren't expensive because of capitalism since banking is universally an unfree market. PEMEX should have been privatised, it made a loss as an oil company WHILE GEORGE BUSH WAS US PRESIDENT! How is that even possible? Electricity production and railroads are not "social goods" they're economic ones. Klein criticised the free market, but it's not the free market that socialises the losses, it's the government.
is naomi suggesting we provide 20 million iraqis with flak jackets and helmuts? why stop there... armored hummers for all iraqi women! tanks for all iraqi men! and m16`s for all the girls and boys!!! im sure we could do this if we wanted to but the welfare state she seems so fond of may suddenly find itself short on funds. whats more important naomi? the protection of every single iraqi or foodstamps for the the poor of our own nation?
Listen people I truly understand your frustration with the way things are. However blaming something that is yet to exist will not solve your problem. The future free market is a vision, dream, hypothetical. We currently have a political economy. The current economy is full of loopholes, subsides, excessive taxation, redistribution and regulation. The real myth is labeling what we have a free market capitalistic economy. We The People must create the free market economy!
the strongest is always the greediest - today its anglo-american imperialism (with israel cleverly burrowed in the womb of power), but would a "alternative" 'super-power' (say china) be any less charitable to the foreign masses and their markets? this is a "alternative" klein does not address...
I very much doubt that Klein supports any form of super power capitalism based on national self interest. She's for social justice and equitable distribution of resources. However, this begs the question - as to whether this reformism is any more possible than revolutionary social change.
. On the other hand, we all know that people at the US administration and other missionaries of market economy turn into protectionists the moment they feel their hegemony is threatened and the examples are countless
The thing is there is no optimal foretold answer for all economic problems, each country has its unique characteristics and you can not simply tell people of these countries that right now there is no alternative model, this is the only solution.
Let's say that the USA is the heaven on earth, thanks to market economy. Now the question is: if all third world countries adopted free market policies, abolished all trade barriers and deregulated all prices, will the outcome be the same? Or will this merely transfer them into huge markets for the western products.
again, we see a discussion of the failings of capitalism/free markets without a discussion of alternatives. i challenge her to provide an example in recorded history where planned economic policies have increased the standard of living of the populace.
This is such bullshjit you know it amazes me day by day that the left wing is even acknowledged
by the political system
Outoftheclique 1 month ago
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The last time that Jews like Naomi Klein created a "decent egalitarian society", over 30 million Christians were killed in the Soviet Union.
We see them once again trying to form their disarmament & enlsavement of non-Jews under the guise of "social fairness" and other horseshit.
NEVER AGAIN
dgl1962 2 months ago
I truly hope that people start getting what Milton Friedman started with the Chicago Boys and how much damage and innocent deaths he consequently is accounted for. Read Klein's book and read all the sources she states if necessary, but please try to see the truth. Talking about his ideas on education is just not worth it...he didn't see past system's flaws even after they blew up in his face(i.e. the whole South America)...
ZagorTeNay80 4 months ago
The quote at the end really gets to me. Where she says he wanted to "take advantage" of the people of New Orleans. What does Milton Friedman have to gain by hurting the people of New Orleans?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
Naomi Klein can only imagine the world as a zero sum game.
Milton Friedman didn't want to exploit the children of New Orleans. He wanted a school system that allowed students and their parents to choose the kind of schooling they wanted. He wanted a system under which schools and teachers who served students best would be rewarded and emulated, while schools and teachers who failed to serve their students would be allowed to fail.
GarrettPetersen 7 months ago
@GarrettPetersen Milton Friedman's ideas for education are antiquated. Please look up "Finland's Education System" on youtube. They are using the best practices in education and they have the #1 system in the world.
preemiegirl 6 months ago
We will either wake up to the truth or wake up to a very different country. Billions are being spent on the right wing propaganda machines. Naomi Klein is telling the hard truth and you'd better believe it.
kimp401 7 months ago
It was corrupt liberal Democrats who were in power in New Orleans during Katrina, but why confuse Ms. Klein with facts.
MrsWebfoot 8 months ago
The "westerers" she is talking about are our soldiers. Iraqui soldiers are also being equipped with proper equipment.
MrsWebfoot 8 months ago
So, then, the left wasn't ready for the Katrina crisis, so they lost and the right wing won? Ms. Klein doesn' seem to be against using a crisis to advance leftist causes, thus taking advantage of those who are in shock. She just doesn't want conservatives and Milton Friedman doing it. Am I hearing her right? Amazing.
MrsWebfoot 8 months ago
What a horrible sosialistic crusader. Trying to play on feelings. Totally utterly load of crap.
Nikkibut82 8 months ago
Excuse me, but I have been to both publicly and privately (charter) owned schools, and the BEST education I have received was at the charter school. Parents are more involved and students have more of a say in what they want in their school. Public schools keep parents out to force their ideals on the students without any backlash. Honestly, I just heard about this lady, and so far, I think she's full of shit.
tastycannabisbrownie 8 months ago
that's funny. I thought it was Stalin's brutality in Hungary in the 1950s that collapsed Communist ideology? Oh sorry, wasn't that broadcast on TV?
QwertyBstard 10 months ago
How does she have the audacity to connect corporatism and free-market ideals? Or crony capitalism with free-market ideology? It is like she has no idea what she is talking about. And look at what vouchers have done for urban schools in L.A as well as Cleveland. Honestly why does she just insist to bash ideas without actually looking at the fact that these charter schools are actually way better than the public ones. Slandered Milton's name, just slandered.
TheGrossBuffet 10 months ago
So clear, So eloquent, So real.
simplydesperate1 11 months ago
"take advantage of the people of New Orleans"... ??!! Our public schooling system is a joke. Charter schools is not based around the idea of making a profit. Its about creating a better schooling system for children. This process is done better with a profit and competition model.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 11 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ just like our failed private health care system? the new orleans school system was bad because it was mostly black and neglected by our racist white state legislature.
you don't understand the concept of "disaster capitalism" do you? it can be natural disasters or man made ones, it doesn't matter. corporations and their politicians then circle like vultures on the victims and steal the land and public capital for themselves. new orleans was a man made disaster.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube We don't have a private health care system. Half of our health care system is paid for by the government, which also interferes greatly with pointless regulations that support corporations and hurt the people. This article below sums it up pretty well.
mises(dot)org/daily/5066/The-Myth-of-FreeMarket-Health-Care
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ lol, that article you sourced is written by a conservative think tank that endorses milton friedman. it's funded by the private health care industry. hahahahahahaha
is the irony of that completely lost on you? thanks for the laugh.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube The Mises Institute is advances the Austrian school of economics, not Chicago school which Friedman is associated with. They have many similar beliefs, but have a much different stance on monetary policy. It is not funded by private health care companies. Private health care companies feed of the corporatist system. They hate free markets. They love rigged ones.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wrote it. No one can reasonably say we have free market health care in this country.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ seriously, it took 4 clicks to find your article mired in conservative think tanks. it's written by shikha dolmia, of forbes and 'the reason'. 'the reason', (wikipedia) "got a resounding endorsement from milton friedman and the wall street journal" the reason features "privatization publications" (can you be anymore anti-public health?) and the reasons health care writer peter suderman, writes for the 'national review', a who's who of anti "socialist" health care.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube Disaster capitalism is supported by Keynesian/socialist economists like Paul Krugman that say horrible tragedies like the attack on 9/11 are good for the economy because they create new construction jobs and also talk about the "benefits" for the economy by going to war. Austro-libertarians are opposed to war and believe that the war economy is a detriment to society.
Also, private does not = evil. Taxation is a form of theft and is therefore, immoral.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ ok, now your just making stuff up. naomi klein wrote the book and disaster capitalism includes war. the bush war in iraq. and if you want to call taxation theft, then you need look no further than milty friedman and the republican ideology of corporate welfare. progressive taxation provides stability and equality. and that's what you're opposed to isn't it? "equality" and a fair playing field. friedmanism is nothing but grift & corruption designed to create inequality.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube I didn't make anything up. I never said Klein didn't talk about war and disaster capitalism. I'm simply showing that war-for-profit isn't something designed by Milty. It started long before his time and both parties support it. The Austrian school is libertarian, not republican. We oppose all forms of public welfare, but strongly support private forms of welfare. Grift & corruption is inherent in government which is why corporations do all they can to get in bed with government.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@tomitstube If you want to better understand my point of view, please watch this video (watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A). I have nothing against progressives, liberals, "conservatives", etc. I just firmly disagree with their views. I think civil liberties are just as important as economic liberties. This youtube video is about 13 minutes long. Its very thought provoking and i guarantee it is from a perspective you have never seen the world from. At least watch the first couple of minutes please! I beg you!
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ i watched that video and it's complete nonsense. what can i tell you, can you even tell me what i'm supposed to get from it? it would seem that it's about taxes being equal to slavery, i literally have no idea wtf it was about.
without taxes, nothing works. services cost an arm and a leg and only the rich control everything, there are no rights, it's complete chaos with everyone out for themselves, it's like tribal sectarian warfare that's in different countries now.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube Apparently you don't know anything about anarcho-capitalism or voluntary societies. There is no need for taxes.
The rich always do everything in their power to take over government so they can abuse it. The rich hardly pay taxes while they feed on off of the everyday tax payer. I don't see what is moral about that.
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ we aren't that far off. i agree our system is corrupt and has been usurped by robber barons thru disaster capitalism. but if you think a system of no taxes or central government is better then you need to brush up on your history. it's why a democratic government was born. no matter what system you choose there will be collusion with big money interests. a strong democratic government with separation of powers is the best model yet. we need to get it back.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube I am familiar with history which is why I think government is not the answer. Government has been the the norm around the world for thousands of years and they constantly dominate their people. The US was at its most prosperous when the government was kept small. The creation of the Fed ensured our future expansion of a bloated government built for corporate oligarchs that constantly demand more from the people. The government can't protect you from those who control it
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ well then, you don't know your history, and you over generalize about government. this country in fact was at it's best from the forties thru the sixties, creating a middle class that made us the envy of the world. and what we've had since is john birch libertarianism and reagan conservatism, or the decline of that prosperous period, in which income disparity, poverty, the homeless, wages, access to health care, and just about every other quality of life has fallen.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube Birchers have had no affect on policy since their inception. Reagan spoke like a libertarian but expanded government like a typical two party politician. Yes, there were periods of great prosperity after the Fed was created, but we also had the worst. The great depression was sustained by interventionist governments of Hoover and FDR. The US has been declining because of high taxes, regulations and a sharply devaluing currency. Going off the gold standard in 1971 has been devastating
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~1) birchers heavily influence the tea party. the koch brothers literally came from the john birch society.
2) the depression was caused by the wall street. hoover was a staunch believer in not using the government to either regulate wall street and the banks, or help with 25% unemployment, or use the government to stabilize the economy. every economist in the world agrees this approach was disastrous.
3) the gold standard limited growth. the debt is another animal.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube OMG Rachel Maddow? Is that you? What a bunch of nonsense. It sounds like you lifted that str8 from the Establishment-left talking points. The Crash was caused by the Fed, The Depression was caused by Hoover and prolonged by FDR. Do a search on youtube for "depression 1920". The government did nothing to intervene and the depression was over shortly. Our fiat currency system is a disaster and will be the final nail in our collective coffin
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
@ih8ronpaulh8ers ~ no, i just repeated facts. you should try them some time. and you should really try to ween yourself off lunatic fringe libertarian conspiracy theories. or you might start sounding like a john birch, ayn rand, milton friedman nut...
"the government did nothing to intervene and the depression was shortly over". oops! too late.
tomitstube 10 months ago
@tomitstube I don't know what lunatic fringe conspiracy theory you are talking about. I didn't mention one. Also, what do you mean by "oops! too late"?
ih8ronpaulh8ers 10 months ago
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Stupid woman! Further proof that women are terrible at everything they try to do. Okay, maybe not everything. I guess they're better than men at...
Okay, I tried and failed. Couldn't think of anything. Little help here?
Intelectual95 1 year ago
Climate Disruption is ALL LIES! The 2-party system Democrat Republican, Liberal Conservative, is ALL LIES!
BANKERS ARE THE ENEMY
Focus on BANKERS. Eliminate BANKERS. Destroy Federal Reserve System. Eliminate irredeemable debt currency and its associated fractional reserve system.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad - I agree with everything you said except your denile in human global interference. If you ever had a fishtank, or terrarium you would know how easy it is to upset the balance. We are directly responsible for release of billions of particulates of c02, plastics, chemicals, aerisols, carbon monixide, billions of gallons of oil. - 1 drop of oil can contaminate THOUSANDS of gallons of water. -Hazwoper certified, worked for corrupt used oil recycling company. We are ravaging earth.
loantom32 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
Bankers and Multi National Companys are so powerful that they can and do influence what governments do and it is in there interests to have cheap labour and poverty in country's, If you have a bad credit rating try and get a credit card that only charges you 7% APR ....You cant get one ....But you can get one that charges 29%APR ??????
ayotteted 1 year ago
@ayotteted In many cases such as Ameica, Bankers have taken over entire governments and are plundering national treasuries an entire series of capital crimes.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
ummmm....the public school system in the U.S. is a mess. a lot of it has to do with the teachers unions. curriculum has become politicized and then she wonders why people would take advantage of being able to send their kids to a school that is safe and actually teaches them something?
fowzie777 1 year ago
fuck the public school system. its just a way to indoctrincate the youth. Im not so sure charter schools are any better unless they get paid by how well the students learn. I was in private school until the 8th grade and wasnt getting the best grades and then my grades skyrocketed once I enrolled in private school. Not because it was easy but because my teachers actually gave a shit.
epicdred 1 year ago
@epicdred EDIT: I was in public school until the 8th grade not private...
epicdred 1 year ago
haha,"gulf course"
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 1 year ago
the truth is the truth.. no matter how u try to deny
tears4fears411 1 year ago
@tears4fears411
Yes but ignorants like Klein will always try to manipulate it to sell books
Wraith23 11 months ago
I know a lady who's mom owned a bowling alley that is a school now after this Hurricane
sibzianna 1 year ago
@tearsofbutthurt watch this from 0:50. very interesting.
MustafaBiggun 1 year ago
When she said psychoti it was no joke!
Joekabuck 1 year ago
This is a deeper problem than economics. If its not the economy its religion, if its not religion its race and so on and so on. People need something to fight about no matter how absurd the reason.
Joekabuck 1 year ago
capitalism provoke us to be greedy, and we are indroctinated to beleive that it's natural human behavior. There can be cooperation and developement without greed. Cooperation instead of competition.
POOLnorth 1 year ago 2
Great video, thanks for publishing this! Please consider removing the titles in the beginning and the end of part 2-5: they are actually not necessary and disturb the view flow.
sflorries 2 years ago 2
@CrossoverManiac
Dear Quisling:
Not to get paid and still pander to the corporatocracy shows a serious lack of backbone.
Your masters, who do not even know of your existence, want ordinary people to remain slaves.
You are a slave, yet think yourself to be an overseer.
Do you work in Wall Street?
If you want to see the see the future Capitalist Corporatist America, you have but to look at present day Russia. What Wall Street dream about.
Pure Capitalism at work.
mad8london247 2 years ago
@mad8london247 LOLI got a good laugh out of you calling someone else a quisling when you so obviously are one.
cato(.)org/pubs/bp/bp102.pdf
Naomi Klein is nothing but a liar and a fraud and there's the evidence, honestly, you're insane devotion to this woman is downright silly, she is but a fraud a fake and a political hack trying to get away with revisionist history
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686 +
Let me guess. Objectivism believer?
mad8london247 1 year ago
@mad8london247 Just a man that can put two and two together.
Also, a few years ago I had a chance to meet and speak with people that actually been at Tiananmen Square, learn from them and hear about their struggle.
The way Naomi Klein misrepresents these people is nothing short of spitting in their face.
bigboss686 1 year ago
@CrossoverManiac
Dear Moron:
Do you get paid for being a quisling?
Tell your masters in the corporatocracy that people know about their game.
Disaster happens, they go down as well.
mad8london247 2 years ago 2
Sudennly, all of the results of a hurricane can be interpreted as the fault of Milton Friedman (a dead guy) and the "right wing think tank complex."
Brilliant.
I also find it amazing that she considers "public money going to private schools" to be somehow worse than public money going to schools that are also monopolized by the government.
Competition and choice is better than monopoly any day. It is just a way to take power from the government and give it to the people.
St37One 2 years ago
It doesn't give power to people. It gives power to markets and shareholders.
bazmataz 2 years ago
But it does give power to people.
And to say that it gives power to markets is absurd, and an abuse of language.
Investors are people to, but to think that the power to choose your level of investment somehow translates to real pollitical power and influence is shockingly ignorant.
St37One 2 years ago
Privatizing public utilities transfers power to market forces and the unaccountable tyranny of shareholders and boardrooms. That's not an abuse of language - that's a fact.
Putting economic power in the hands of tyrannical governments however isn't the answer either. The key is to reform democracy so that it responds to the needs of people, not profit.
bazmataz 2 years ago 10
I understand your reasoning.
Since market forces are not accountable, they must be tyrannical.
Similarly, the forces of nature are unnacountable, and so nature must be tyrannical.
Shareholders are driven by the profit motive, not reciprocal altruism, the mob mentality, the thirst for power, or a desire to contribute to some ideological cause.
Accountability is only important for those with real political authority and power.
St37One 2 years ago
Nature doesn't need to be accountable to anyone. If anything, we are accountable to nature. We need to live within the boundaries of what nature can tolerate to sustain life on Earth.
The rest of your comment, about shareholders being tyrannical, I agree with.
bazmataz 2 years ago 12
For sure.
Shareholders get high on power.
They exist only to tempt boardrooms with their purchasing potential, and to punish boardrooms with thier selling potential, and to play boardrooms against one another with thier trading abilities.
Shareholders have fixed the game so that they always come out on top.
St37One 2 years ago
@bazmataz We are nature, where does the idea that humans are unnatural come from?
egokick 10 months ago
@egokick, I never said humans were unnatural. The point I made is that if humans have got any sense, they will learn to live within nature's limits otherwise nature will destroy them. Or do you think since we are part of the natural world, we have a right to dominate and destroy it?
bazmataz 10 months ago
@bazmataz We have the power to do anything within the limits of the physical universe, "rights" do not restrain the actions of those with the power and will to do something. Rights are a lovely concept we made up that might if adhered to make things nicer, but, they are just opinions, they aren't set in stone and they can change if we want them to. We certainly have the power, the ability, to destroy our environment, but if we do, we will have to live with the consequences.
egokick 10 months ago
@bazmataz Profit is a need of the people, though.
martydrooo 3 months ago
@bazmataz getting the people involved is key as well. until we all participate, it's all academic.
dagda825 1 month ago
She is all over the place! Impossible to follow!
zayetsus 2 years ago
so true.
but that is to her advantage, since her appeal is purely due to emotionalism, and claims that she can not possibly support or defend with elaboration.
St37One 2 years ago
Dance with the devil you'll pay the piper! The atrocities that the Arab people now face has been imposed upon the Natives of "America", as well as "Black Americans" 1st. Selected eastern Arabs are going through much! But then again, "history does has a case of repeating itself." The Arab Elite has sold out their people for 40 shekels. They enjoined with Euro' Corporates that conspired the evil Middle Passage/Transatlantic Slave Trade. Their land is now cursed under Karma! Who's next?
iwhobelieve7 2 years ago
she's just... so wrong.
smartypantz65 2 years ago
RimlandThesis you are a twat thats scared of his oiwn shadow
warchild1976 2 years ago
wow, very well thought out response. Thanks for that.
cooll6 2 years ago
Noami Klein is a fucking idiot and only spurts theoretical gibberish about crap!
the bottom line is that publicly funded organizations become dependent and therefor limited in their capacity to produce goods/services... private, not so much.
the trick is utilizing both public & private which is very, very, very hard.
Noami Klein has allt theory and none of the organizational experience.
RimlandThesis 2 years ago
It is evident you are not willing to see the world as it really is. You would rather have corporate decisions ruling your life as opposed to a government "by, for and of the people"? The USA had such hope!
Sparky4Peace 2 years ago 2
Yes, i think with capitalism, the greed, as we know now, they find a way to rob people's and countrieś resources, the case of Bolivia, with the provinces in the hands of traitors to his country, race,in favor of multinational companies, the case of gas and lithium, the american goverment and his private companies will try to make a civil war for theese resources, remember nicaragua, they cry for deregulation remember.
joemachingun 2 years ago 2
We non-americans should leave the privatizations to the USA if they like it, and build our economies outside globalization, go back to import substitution and look for our internal market, without supermarkets, without conveniece stores, to keep control of what we eat, our health, without big companies puting aspartame and other poissons in our food. et al
joemachingun 2 years ago
She grossly distorts Friedman's meaning in that opinion piece. A shift to charter schools, the busting of teachers' unions... What's wrong with this?
Zeldovich 2 years ago
Katrina was an experiment using HAARP. Traces of several types of explosion was discovered. at 17 district & other. The breech took place after the storm not during the storm. Government engineering placed explosive devices to secure rich areas from flood. China/Russia complained to U.N regarding the weather manipulation device to which America replied it couldnt be in violation since it was self inflicted. Media propaganda, Mossad, Black water shoot to kill policies etc. Katrina was a success.
Blackknowledge1 2 years ago
Do a little research on postbellum America circa 1866 and the carpetbaggers.
joh3 2 years ago
Moreover, socialism is an ECONOMIC system, that measures success based on its ability to care for the needs of those involved, rather than making individual profit the only standard for economics - wealth trickles up, not down - privitization puts public goods into the hands of unelected people who don't have you're intrests in mind, that's why resources and money are used for things like designer slippers and infomerical garbage while people starve - it seems like common sense - need > want
StoneyLaTroy 2 years ago
Socialism doesn't measure success at all, that's the point. If socialism really measured success on the ability to care for the needs of those involved virtually every socialist program would have been stopped in it's first year. Privatisation puts goods that AREN'T public goods in the hands of the unelected, which I love. Look up what "public goods" means. Almost every good thing I get is from unelected people who don't have my interests in mind, and that's as true for you.
newperve 2 years ago
Yes, I understand that her arguement is different from the traditional bullshit you hear on the cable news - but as people who read books on this subject and crazy things like that instead of watching television, might tell you that her arguements are based on fact - you know, her book does have an extensive bibliography, she's a fucking journalist, sources are key
StoneyLaTroy 2 years ago
AS IF,
Socialist governments run governments better.
What a joke.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
As if the governments in place had not lead the whole world to the crysis we live today.
GuiR3X 2 years ago
The socialst governments you mean? Then ones who interfered in the market to cause the current crisis? To claim the current crisis as a failure of the market is either breathtaking ignorance of breathtaking dishonesty.
newperve 2 years ago
The socialist goverment ? WHICH ONES ?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!
Trying to deny the failure of a system based on the market is impossible this time i m afraid.
If you want to live in a society with even less regulations, go for it, it exists right now, ir's called the jungle, and that's all market capitalism offers.
GuiR3X 2 years ago
Wow you're a bad liar or appallingly ignorant. Is there not thousands of pages of regulations governing the financial system? Is it not one of the most regulated areas of the economy? I mean read the regulations relating to the banking sector and get back to me, I'll wait the year or so it takes you to do it.
newperve 2 years ago
Bad liar or ignorant ? Wow, you sure know how to enhance your point of view.
It s because the regulations permitted the banks and the market to build up subprimes and other dangerous products that we have to get them out of the shit.
Capitalism without regulation has another name, the jungle.
you look so appallingly blind to the facts that there can be no debate.
Live in your dreams of jungle, i ll be seeking a better way to have a fair society going.
GuiR3X 2 years ago
The regulations didn't "permit" the banks and the market to build up the subprimes, they _required_ it. The government was behind the explosion of bad credit. The facts are the the most regulated market in the economy was the one that caused the problem. To base a claim that unregulated markets were the problem is bizarre. You are not seeking a better way to have a fair society, if you were you would inquire as to the cause of the current unfairness.
newperve 2 years ago
This woman is brilliant.
travisisit 2 years ago
WTF? New Orleans was a NATURAL disaster waiting to happen! No amount of private or government insurance or protections would have been able to stop this kind of thing from happening. FEMA failed, miserably, so too would have any gov funded disaster managment scheme ran by the most efficiant state in the world.
fordeee2000 3 years ago
We know that The King of Jackasses was in charge for eight years after stealing the election. As far as i'm concerned the Jackass party can retire to the digesters so "they can give back" sooner rather than later Come on say it we all know it was the party in power that pulled off 911. Those building were imploded, and it was far from just terrrorist luck that the demolition was completed on one day. It is essentially a class war of rich vs. poorer. i wish i could see the GOP demolished.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
whats the difference between charter and public?
(im from the netherlands)
veryfuck 3 years ago
charter schools receive public money but arent subject to the same rules as public schools in exchange for some accountability for producing certain results which are set in the school's charter. they are part of the public education system and are not allowed to charge tuition. they are part of the public education system and do not charge tuition. some school districts allow corporations to open chains of for-profit charter schools.
TWI08 3 years ago
Its funny that Klein had the same view as her book title accuses her enemies of having. She looked at Katrina and thought political opportunity. Some people looked at government built levies breaking and flooding a city that wouldnt exist with out them and people that are products of public schools too poor to have a car and think maybe the top down socialist thing isnt working. But there all psychotic and evil of cores
Transitiving 3 years ago
Shock Doctrine ties it all together. Plus, I'd rather listen to Naomi Klein any day over those normal windbags at the Heritage, Enterprise blah blah blah Institute/Foundation. She's much more sexy!
walterbithell 3 years ago
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good lord. she wants to blame a natural disaster's aftermath on free market economics.
is this woman for real? what did the soviet government do in the aftermath of chernobyl? aahhh, too hard to swallow... jeez.
marcoantoniocosta 3 years ago
No, she just blames corporativism for taking adventage of the shock that people went thru after Katrina to pull off the "reforms" people of New Orleans would never consent to back in the fully democratic situation. Like after Tsunami Sri Lanka was forced to sell the lands for turism and disposses fishermen, in Iraq the post-war shock was used to privatise economy, loot Iraq and open it totally for foreign investments and import which crashed the economy even more and made Iraquis even poorer.
tjaryma 3 years ago 14
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This women is a fucking moron
pittdready 3 years ago
Yes, and she blames the corporatism on Milton Friedman. Who spoke adamantly against it. And that is just one of the ways she misrepresents Friedman's positions.
marcoantoniocosta 3 years ago
You are completely correct. She cowardly slanders a dead man who's ideas improved the lot of far more people than she could ever hope to.
dogcow666 3 years ago
Naomi, i lov u !
thanks for all
take care
uruk 3 years ago
40 Charter schools... no more teacher unions... this sounds like progress.
TijoKJose 3 years ago
Those republicans are like little Ferengi! Always putting profit ahead of everything else. I bet they'll sell their own children for the right price!
bujoun76 3 years ago
Its not about profit; its about getting the job done. Private schools do it better, because they have to compete for your business. The purpose of the educational system is to teach kids, not to give teachers pay raises. All liberals do is throw money at the problem.
TijoKJose 3 years ago
Throwing money at a problem works very well! The F-117, the V-22, algae based hydrogen production, and many more "problems"! Taking money away is like you not paying your rent! You lose your home. What we need to do is find better examples of school systems and/or techniques that work. Chinese and Japanese schools for start. And not all liberals think alike. A good idea is a good idea and I dont care where it comes from! I will do homework by looking into your idea. It may have merit after all!
bujoun76 3 years ago 2
bullshit
new york times, "Study of Test Scores Finds Charter Schools Lagging", Aug 23, 2006
secHumanist 3 years ago 2
Thank you for informing me (and everyone)about this. The shock we are facing now is oil scarcity, it's interesting to speculate on what is to come and who will be ready to fill the void...
ozinba 3 years ago
I admire this woman so much. I've read in one week "The Shock Doctrine". It's a great book. It shows the dark side of globalization, the dark side of global finance, the brutal reality behind dictatorship in Latin America, the new global leadership after the fall of Berlin Wall. It shows also the application of Friedman economic theory in Eastern Europe and South America. I've read with great interest the part about Bush administration full of corruption and Iraqui war... This book open ur mind
goodsoninc 3 years ago 3
"It shows also the application of Friedman economic theory in Eastern Europe and South America."
Only in your fevered imagination.
Guncriminal 3 years ago
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this lady is like the anti- francis fukuyama. not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but she's trying really hard to just say the opposite of all the neocons. here's an idea come up with a new idea or keep your mouth shut.
ShudeBwerkin 3 years ago
"The Economy" is just a mathematical model of the flow of value through our societies. It is not the great provider and punisher.
It is not like your favorite sports team.
It should not be a religion.
It IS just something we made up. Ya, thats right, it is fiction. We made it up and guess what......we can change it.
We can redifine GDP for example. If we redifine GDP then it will go up or down as we chose. All the related indicators, like growth or dept to GDP ratio will also change.
bimmjim 3 years ago 3
Milton Friedman was Satan's personal spokesman
But even the Dark Lord thought Milton Friedman's economic theories where too devious, hence he was banished from hell too walk amongst man -.
Or so the legend goes
inkus2000 3 years ago 16
Haha they said the same exact thing about Adam Smith. But I guess they too forgot to read his Theory of Moral Sentiments.
ShudeBwerkin 3 years ago
I hope you are just kidding.
colonelcronin 3 years ago
@inkus2000
Friedman is my personal Jesus Christ
Wraith23 11 months ago
Ourearthhome No one starved under feudalism? Besides if you pissed the Lord off he could just chop off your head. Yea sounds like just where the Neocons are headed!
They have already jailed thousands without charge. Suspended habeas corpus, what is next?
nowellian 3 years ago 3
Naomi, you never say here what you would recommend for New Orleans or for the next time. Some of us are well prepared. As a condition of receiving any assistance from outside government require local taxing jurisdictions to eliminate all taxes on improvements and increase the tax on land values to as near 100% of rental values as possible. In this way no land speculator can cash in on the recovery and capital investment for rebuilding is encouraged. Pay for schools out of the land tax. Well?
ourearthhome 3 years ago
Check out (G:) "Zeitgeist-the Movie" ....
"Esoteric Agenda"
and "Endgame-Blueprint for Global Slavery"
These clarify a lot. We still have a choice as to where this goes.. but first we should know the destination....
History Repeats....
1tonykirk 3 years ago
fcuk Milton Friedman!
richardnixon17 3 years ago
What you know about Friedman could probably be written on the back of a stamp.
The sad truth is that the same could be said for Klein.
Guncriminal 3 years ago
Why is the European public school system good and our so bad?
Europeans have been educated and now have extensive socialist public systems. We have been undereducated and are privatizing what few public systems we had.
Do you right wingers posting on here really believe everything should be run for profit and if it is not profitable then society can just do without it?
Is this not a return to feudalism?
nowellian 3 years ago
Affirmative Action
moviedude111 3 years ago
Boy, you pegged that one exactly, Norwellian.
Its sad, isnt it...and a real shame. Europeans are SO much better educated its shocking. Again, feudalistic.
nwrammsteinfan 3 years ago 2
But the intelligence needed right now is the intelligence all schools try to eradicate, the kind that is needed to solve massive problems in our world politics and style of life, not ones in our hospitals and courts and so on. Education systems are good for creating people that maintain the status quo, and further degrade us, but they arent really offering much in terms of REAL human advancement, except perhaps science. We need new thinking, and new tools, not the ones that made the problems.
JTickett 3 years ago 2
English Education was top notch at one point but now its different, your not allowed opinions your taught to accept whatever your dictated, its got shit too basicly.
They dont want us educated anymore they've got enough rich people they just need dumb slaves, shocking isnt it.
madzndean 3 years ago 4
Hey feudalism was not a bad thing. No one starved and when it was working at its best the landowning nobles paid for public services out of the rent they collected from their tenants. It was called noblesse oblige. Recognition of common rights to use of land was alive and well. Unlike today when the nobles keep the rent and force the peasants to pay for government services out of their earned income on top of what they have to pay in rent. Oh for the good old days. Now its just noblesse.
ourearthhome 3 years ago
Friedman advocated public funding of the student rather than the provider. He felt that welfare gains could be made by allowing the student (parents) the autonomy to choose the service. Thats not taking advantage of anyone. If all this woman can think to do is sully the name of a dead who actually had ideas, then she dosent deserve our attention.
munkeerench 3 years ago
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who says capitalism has to be free? during the cold war we put up countless coutnries that were completely capitalist but murdered hundreds of thousands of their own people. freedom is not measured by capitalism. during FDR's stay american companies were puting plans together to do the same thing here. maybe one day they'll get around to it.
Jovian84 3 years ago
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Taking advantage of New Orlean residents by providing private education?
Isn't private education usually regarded as far better? I have yet to hear anyone say, "you didn't know that -- must've been that fancy private school you went to."
The teacher's union is the biggest obstacle to quality education in the U.S. Watch John Stossel's "Stupid in America" (on youtube).
SkeptikosOrWill 3 years ago
Oh boy! You're dumb...
oxygensmith 3 years ago
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A product of public education, of course.
But if nothing else, I know Marxism has been dead for seventy years, and mercantilism has been dead for three centuries.
Eh, how can this lady write a book about economics and not even bother to understand it? It's disgusting.
This is why democracy doesn't work.
SkeptikosOrWill 3 years ago
A product of public education, of course.
I managed, however, to learn some economics in spite of that.
You, on the other hand, have not. (Don't ask me how I know this -- I just do.)
Mercantilism and Marxism are dead. They've been rotting in their graves for over a hundred years; it's disgusting to see someone dig them up and be taken seriously.
This is why democracy doesn't work.
SkeptikosOrWill 3 years ago
We don't have a "free-market" economic system, so how can you blame it? The democrats and republicans are all for manufacturer-decimating "free trade," illegal aliens who steal Americans' jobs, and even war!
Progressives are the left wing of twin groups who WANT TO RULE. If progressives did they would be another brand of heavy-handed elitists.
I'll make up my mind about free markets when I see them!
CD060170 3 years ago
Gated communities, within gated communities, within gated communities, etc., this is humanity's future under unrestrained capitalism. And this is apparently the version of freedom and progress of individuals such as kulza23 and Chall6.
America is on the horns of a dilemma: either it bocomes a full-fledged fascist state or its neocon-dominated system collapses and is transformed again into the beacon of hope that it was when it declared its idependence.
Naomi, help America find its way again!
subscriber77 4 years ago 5
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Naomi does not really understand the world at all. Her way is not liberty---and yes, baby, drill--drill--and also keep up the alternatives. We need both. I doubt that Naomi could do anything for New Orleans--except more bitching and moaning.
Chall6 4 years ago
World Campaign!
No to the killing of whales, not buying japanese products protest day 14 February 2008
ladychantylly 4 years ago
where is the humanity on this page of comments. the breaking of levey's was allowed to break as the infrastructer in this country maybe in your neighborhood something will let go and then it will be considered a different story? was it funny the neo cons laughed while watching on their plasma T.V.'s making rude malicious comments of them while making plans for their new community?
mountain19 4 years ago
have you read the book?
unamacarana 4 years ago
It's very immature for Naomi to say free marketers are "psychotic". This is just an ad hominem.
I used to consider myself a socialist, and now I'm a libertarian. I now see socialism as an ideology rooted in violence. However, I don't see Naomi and other socialists as "psychotic" because they believe what they do. They simply don't know what the free market is and what libertarianism really means.
kulza23 4 years ago
They crushed the teachers union and brought 500% more private schooling in as a response to the crisis - what do you think of these moves by the suited elites in their think tanks. Don't tell me you support Milton? Free markets assume we are all the same as one another to a larger degree and legitimise stealing state repair funds...
LuckyLukarse1981 4 years ago
Socialism is actually rooted not rooted in violence. If you've ever read the Communist Manifesto Marx never states the revolution needs to be violent. The best way to make change is to educate the public, because capitalism is failing. Many countries in Europe and around the world are already adopting worker-owned factories and socialist programs like free education and health care. This is happening without violence.
lateralus270 4 years ago
Socialism IS rooted in violence. Take your example of "free" health care. People have to pay for it by taxes. What about those who do not want to pay because they disagree? They are fined or thrown in jail. This is an initiation of force, which is violence.
Thus, socialism is no different than a bully - you have to do what they say or you face the consequences.
If an ideology cannot tolerate disagreement, then it must be one of coercion.
kulza23 4 years ago
So what happens to be people in America who do want free health care? What you said makes no sense, because you can flip that argument completely around. So people who don't make enough money to pay for healthcare are left on the street to die. Looks they don't have a choice either. Good argument.
lateralus270 4 years ago
As a scandinavian, I simply cannot understand how an advanced industrialized nation like the US do not have sociolised medicin. The inhumanity of privatised medicin really digusts me. That the security and value of your life an health should be equal to the size of your wallet it not libertarian, its fascist!
sPalsg 4 years ago 17
Well, the security of my life is not worth more than liberty.
Of course you can't protect liberty if you don't protect life.
There are free clinics in the U.S. It is not privatized medicine vs. socialized medicine.
By the way, the USA has been de-industrialized and faces major economic consequences of that. Whatever system the democrats come up with during the period of 2009-12 will probably make us pine for the old system.
CD060170 3 years ago
cd060170: What you've just suggested (Well, the security of my life is not worth more than liberty.) is astoundingly idiotic, and the singular reason why the human race is in this mess. What value has your life if you do not have true liberty. you sir, are a Clone!
ErikTekno 3 years ago
You really should find out what fascism is and does before you throw around the word. Actually the system is fascist, but not becuase it's excessively privatised. It isn't, it's got excessive government intervention. That's why an OBGYN has to know neurology that they don't use and a neurologist needs to know obstetrics before they're allowed to practice. For both the additional information is useless and expensive. We don't require makers of car to know how to make a motorcycle do we?
newperve 2 years ago
@sPalsg money, government & corporate bed fellows calling the shots-USA is not a democracy but a plutocracy, just ask a Native American and look at their livelihood.
LordFirekaze 1 year ago
the definition of a sociopath is the absence of empathyty for others. global capitalism has no empathy for billions of people.
sanacore4643 3 years ago 4
And if capitalism was a person that would make sense. Global capitalism has (when it is allowed to) fed more people, clothed them, funded their education and generally made more people better off than socialism ever could.
newperve 2 years ago
Well said.
Klein's false paradigms only appeal to ignorant people.
Wraith23 2 years ago
Yes tell you your lies in my country Mexico, inmediately during and after the earthquake of 1985, the stupid goberment started the application of the World Bank Recipes, with the most expensive banking services in the world, then the railroads, and they wanted the electrical company and PEMEX, privatizing social goods is like a bucaneer, privatizing the profits and like now socializing the looses. What a clever guys
joemachingun 2 years ago
Well for a start since when is the World Bank pro-capitalist? Banking services aren't expensive because of capitalism since banking is universally an unfree market. PEMEX should have been privatised, it made a loss as an oil company WHILE GEORGE BUSH WAS US PRESIDENT! How is that even possible? Electricity production and railroads are not "social goods" they're economic ones. Klein criticised the free market, but it's not the free market that socialises the losses, it's the government.
newperve 2 years ago
Because another government has a less reputable reputation than the USA, you must be right. We have it right...
Sparky4Peace 2 years ago
Why is a for profit school bad? I would like more schools competing for enrollment based on better programs and/or lower prices.
lesagedo 4 years ago
Ron Paul 2008!
Welfare states are harmful to the poor working class. As is climate change, but climate change cannot be influenced.
lesagedo 4 years ago
is naomi suggesting we provide 20 million iraqis with flak jackets and helmuts? why stop there... armored hummers for all iraqi women! tanks for all iraqi men! and m16`s for all the girls and boys!!! im sure we could do this if we wanted to but the welfare state she seems so fond of may suddenly find itself short on funds. whats more important naomi? the protection of every single iraqi or foodstamps for the the poor of our own nation?
snoopster000 4 years ago
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Listen people I truly understand your frustration with the way things are. However blaming something that is yet to exist will not solve your problem. The future free market is a vision, dream, hypothetical. We currently have a political economy. The current economy is full of loopholes, subsides, excessive taxation, redistribution and regulation. The real myth is labeling what we have a free market capitalistic economy. We The People must create the free market economy!
ROMANS14LIBERTY 4 years ago
the strongest is always the greediest - today its anglo-american imperialism (with israel cleverly burrowed in the womb of power), but would a "alternative" 'super-power' (say china) be any less charitable to the foreign masses and their markets? this is a "alternative" klein does not address...
jackamarra 4 years ago
she addresses it plenty in the book.
werealldoodshey 4 years ago
how exactly?
jackamarra 4 years ago
I very much doubt that Klein supports any form of super power capitalism based on national self interest. She's for social justice and equitable distribution of resources. However, this begs the question - as to whether this reformism is any more possible than revolutionary social change.
sbor2020 4 years ago
. On the other hand, we all know that people at the US administration and other missionaries of market economy turn into protectionists the moment they feel their hegemony is threatened and the examples are countless
sarhanomar1182 4 years ago
The thing is there is no optimal foretold answer for all economic problems, each country has its unique characteristics and you can not simply tell people of these countries that right now there is no alternative model, this is the only solution.
sarhanomar1182 4 years ago
Let's say that the USA is the heaven on earth, thanks to market economy. Now the question is: if all third world countries adopted free market policies, abolished all trade barriers and deregulated all prices, will the outcome be the same? Or will this merely transfer them into huge markets for the western products.
sarhanomar1182 4 years ago
again, we see a discussion of the failings of capitalism/free markets without a discussion of alternatives. i challenge her to provide an example in recorded history where planned economic policies have increased the standard of living of the populace.