Human rights activist Natalia Estemirova murdered in Russia

[RussianMafiaState]

@grafomanka Ну а что ты собираешся делать? 

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[7jem331]

I can only assume that those human rights activists who were murdered by Kadyrovs men (Their words not mine, though I assume they are terrorists too) are all wrong. Kadyrov would never kill his own people? He has already openly said he would!

[skolokus33]

"pust dokazhut" dumaet i govorit ubiytsa vsegda( kadirov)

"ona byla nikomu ne nuzhna"- znachit nado ubrat ee ( kadirov)

V putinskoi Rossii naplevat chto dumayut o nikh vo vsem mire.

Vot chto dumayut: neotesennye dikari , da eshe khorosho vooruzheny.Nelzya nikogda dat etoi strane razvivatsya, ato proglatit vse chelovecheskoe v chelovechestve!

[ubershredder1989]

sodurely someone in kadyrovs position wouldnt want such bad press. clearly if she got killed, he would get the blame,does he need that? maybe it was the terrorists that killed her, as a propaganda strategy, to turn the public against the new chechnen government.

3) there is no solid proof that it was kadyrov who killed her.

[7jem331]

That really is clutching at straws. So you are saying insurgents are going to kill the same people who are exposing human rights abuses against the same people they are fighting for propaganda means?

Because Kadyrov is such a nice chap after all isnt he? What with his private prisons, private army, utter lack of free speech, his open boasting about killing people even to the point of saying he would kill again........

Comforting to think he is in charge of over 1 million people isnt it.

[ubershredder1989]

terrorists arent fighting for anyone. basayev killed hundreds of chechen civilians as did the other warlords. i dont think free speech is chechnyas primary concern now. people just want this war to be over as quick as possble and that is what kadyrov is doing. dont forget his "death squads" kill terroists.

[7jem331]

And define "terrorists" How exactly do we know they are "terrorists" considering there is no free speech, no independent verification of the deaths of these people and no free press?

Its ironic you say this considering that the people who are trying to bring this information to light seem to end up in the back of vehicles with bullets in their heads. Yes I am sure the "terrorists" must be behind this not that nice Mr Kadyrov.

[ubershredder1989]

kadyrov is chechen, so are his men, so was his father who was killed by the terrorists. in the first war kadryrov and his father fought along side the terroists. this clearly changed. if you are implying that they like going around killing hundreds of innocent civilians that come from their own country, sorry mate, i am not buying that shit, neither can i be bothered to argue it. terrorists kill school children, surely they dont give a fuck about some journalist.

[7jem331]

Come to Chechnya? Are you out of your mind? The country where human rights activists end up in the boot of cars? Human rights groups have openly said that Kadyrov and his men are responsible for the killing of human rights activists (Who presumably are terrorists in your book) Not to mention in your own words Kadyrov is an ex terrorist himself!

Welcome to a state run by an ex terrorist, er no thanks!

[ubershredder1989]

can someone please tell me why people say it was ramzan kadyrov who killed her?

1) first, she wasnt showing any groundbreaking evidence of war crimes, its clear to everyone that they happen all the time in chechnya, so why would kadyrov care. its not like the allies dont comit war crimes in afghanistan and iraq, thousands of civilians have lost their lives as a result.

[7jem331]

Yes but we have things like investigations, people brought to account, compensation, reconstruction.

We dont have private armies, death squads, private prisons etc........

To even compare Kadyrov's actions to Americas in Iraq or Afghanistan is ignorance in the extreme.

[ubershredder1989]

its not ignorance in the extreme, americans bombed the shit out of iraq and afganistan, and its cost thousands of civilian lives. kadyrovs people may have killed hundreds, but most are terrorists. i think it would be just as bad if a civilian dies as a result of a bombing or a death squad. its not ignorance in extreme.

[7jem331]

And have Americans been held to account for their actions? Yes. Have American been sentenced? Yes.

Has Kadyrov or any of his stooges been held to account for any of their actions? Nope. Will they ever? Nope.

Yes I am sure this lady and many other thousands who have "disappeared" or been murdered are "terrorists"

As I say, any comparison is just just plain insanity. Kadyrov in comparison to Obama or Bush? Give me a break!

[mikey3k]

RIP Dear woman, you were a great human being.

[ukrvesna]

В воскресение 19.07с 15.00 до 18.00 состоится митинг напротив посольства России в Берлине, на разделительной полосе. Тема : Преследования и убийства людей в России по политическим мотивам.

[lekotar]

The best thing to happen to the world is the shrinking Russian populations. I don't know if it's god or karma but those bastards die off like flies. One day every folk and nation in Russia will have independence.

[VZsniper02]

lekotar-if karma or god had anything to do with it, than not only Russian would die off like flies, but all the big nations, like U.S.A, British, French, German, Italina.... would had their ass kicked, because all of them do or did screw around with smaller nations.

[phnixlady]

Heartbreaking and must not be forgotten.l,p

[Dejesak]

Kak trudno pisat chto libo. Natalya , ubita , samim gnusnum podlim obrazom. Ona bila zamechatelnim chelovekov, chelovekom s bolhoi bukvi. Dal gesh doil hun>(((( Mne tak jal'

[turbogeo1]

What a shame!

[tamolb]

RUSSIANS are already brainwashed nation, give them VOdka that's all they need, no freedom of word or human rights are important for them!

[oxanabotalova]

To which nation are you belong, sorry??

Look inside you brain before you humiliate the people of another nationality if you have no idea about what you ate talking about..

[tamolb]

this is not Humiliation this is FACT and truth!! this nation becam ZOMBIEs of Kremlin lies... They are no humans any more, they can't analyse what's going to thier society! even you come here and critic me, instead of saying something about This brutal murder!! Russian nation definitly needs healing, or soon we will see the REAL man-eaters in this bloody world! they are transforming to canibalism and that's a fact of present day russia!

[drekecdrekecadrekecu]

This guy Putin is a psycho.