Explotation kid. The Trojans did fight outside of their city. They fought constant skirmishes with the greeks for 10 years on and off. But only at the last year did the war fully break out where the greek army was pushed back to their ships and nearly completely wiped out until patroclus came along pretending to be Achilles and forced the Trojans back. The Trojans only managed to counter act the greeks at every turn because the greeks had a traitor amongst them. Agamemmnon was a shite commande
I am greek Troy was a glorified movie about the trojans. it was all bullshit. The trojans never came out with a army to fight the greeks. The only time they left there walls were on little night raids against the greeks. The rest of the time they hid behind there walls and just rained arrows. Before u guys start arguing with me ive read lots of books about this war and i looked up a lot The trojans never did shit outside there walls army to army. Its just proof in the books
@ExploitationKid How the hell do you know this. The only evidence that we have of the war is through the Iliad and some pottery fragments. There is NOTHING else that describes the war in detail as you are saying now. And obviously you need to go outside your walls and fight your enemy in order to drive them off, because they can easily besiege your city and starve out your population. Food for a massive population was grown outside the city for spacial purposes. You're wrong.
I WONDER WHY ANYBODY BELIEVED THE HITTITES AND NOT THE GREEKS!...WHAT MAKES ANYBODY BELIEVE THE HITTITES WERE SAYING THE TRUTH?...THEY WERE PROBABLY WRITING A NICE MYTH!..OR THEY WERE COPING THE GREEKS LIKE ALWAYS DID!....BEHAVE NOW ,DISTORTERS OF HISTORY!..SILENCE!...WE HAVE THE NAMES,WE HAVE ALL THE PLACES THEY WERE MENTIONING IN THE TROJAN STORY,WE HAVE THE PEOPLE,WE HAVE THE WRITINGS!...THE HITTITES HAVE NOTHING! NO NAMES NO PLACE!..JUST THE STORY!..CLOSE YOUR MOUTHS NOW!
Dardania Greek: Δαρδανία in Greek mythology is the name of a city founded on Mount Ida by Dardanus from which also the region and the people took their name. It lay on the Hellespont, and is the source of the strait's modern name, the Dardanelles...........
From Dardanus' grandson Tros the people gained the additional name of Trojans and the region gained the additional name Troad. Tros' son Ilus subsequently founded a further city called Ilion down on the plain, the city now more commonly called Troy, and the kingdom was split between Ilium and Dardania....GREEK COLONIES!...TROJANS WERE ALSO GREEKS!...CLOSE YOUR MOUTH NOW!
GREEK HISTORIANS ARE MENTIONING TROAS: Eratosthenes , Herodotus Duris of Samos Modern archaeologists associate Homeric Troy with archaeological Troy VII......................Besides the Iliad, there are references to Troy in the other major work attributed to Homer, the Odyssey, as well as in other ancient Greek literature. The Homeric legend of Troy was elaborated by the Roman poet Virgil in his Aeneid.
Alexander the Great, for example, visited the site in 334 BC and made sacrifices at tombs there associated with the Homeric heroes Achilles and Patroclus...SHUT UP NOW!.....LET THE GREEKS BE!...JEALOUS BASTARDS!...MODERN SO CALL ARCHAEOLOGISTS,TRYING TO UNDERRATE THE GREEKS!...YOU ARE SO IGNORANTS,...YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF ODYSSEY,AND ILIAD!...A BOOK WRITTEN WITH CODES WITH THE GODLY GREEK LANGUAGE GIVING US GODLY INFORMATIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING!..EAT YOUR HARTS OUT! BASTARDS!
the trojan war is just a story not a historical event geez.
homer created this story.
if the trojan war was real then achilles, odysseues, paris, hector and helena of troy have to be real right? i'm not buying it it's just a mythical story and even the ancient greeks know it's a fairytale. so i don't think they ever take that seriously.
their is no troy in anatolia, their is no mycaenian greek invasion ever occured.
it may been based on some real events but the rest is made up.
@MegaVCN it was recorded that the ancient greeks didn't take the story seriously they know it's just a literature. athenian boys at schools learn to read about homer's illiad but not be taken literally only for educational purposes.
so i don't have to be their to prove the story s not historical. i can research on mycaenian greeks vs. trojans all day and still find no evidence of troy nor the invasion on anatolia. the city of troy is made up bro. don't make too many assumptions. later dude
Well, you continuesly use the words "dude" and "Bro" Its kinda hard to take you seriously. And you weren't there, so you have no way of sayin it doesnt exsist.
I am american too you dolt, and I don't use immature bro and dude talk. Now, you weren't there so you have absolutely no way of saying if it happend or not.
@MegaVCN bro nor dude are not immature words geez it's not like it's going to harm you for crap sakes.
i love those words stop being sensitive. just because people use dude or bro is not offensive it's just a friendly terms to identify friends. i don't know why you get upset over it.
But.. you weren't there. And I'm not freaking out over the word. You use them as though we are friends yet I barely know you. Use your own termanology correctly.
WHy must you hit enter after each sentence as well? Oh yeah, and i'm nto talking about Atlantis, we're talking about the Trojan war. WHich was 100% real.
@MegaVCN bro i'm the one that actually did the research on the illiad but you cannot prove to me how the trojan war is real by using ancient greek historians.
guess like you assume what you wanted to be.
i think your just little baby who can't take an simple fact.
and you keep saying you are not their so you don't know.
but i do know thanks to sources of the great western scholars and the ancient greek historical data i really know it's not real. your being dogmatic dude
@zhogan42 From what i know and seem to have read the most evidence of (feel free to correct me) this was prior to the Trojan War which is were the greeks have a 10 year non-constant siege of Troy/Wilucia.
Also we use to think Wilucia was a real city and Troy was a myth, and that Wilucia was a city later burnt to the ground by the Romans, but was originalyy the Trojan capitol.
@Jimlead The Greeks did indeed have colonies in Asia Minor, but they didn't show up until the Greek Dark Ages which lasted from around the end of the Mycenaean era until the time of Homer (1200-800 BC). That's also when the cities in Magna Graecia and Sicily were founded. During the Mycenaean era the Greeks were confined to mainland Greece and the islands of the Aegean with possible control or influence over one or two southern Anatolian cities like Miletus.
@Stubacca01 I don't want to be arrogant, but Albanian, the oldest European language is the key. You will NEVER find the truth if you ignore Albanian.The main word civilization is an Albanian word. Troy Illion/Illium, Anatolia, Etruria, Illyria all but Albanian words.You wont find the explanation/etymology of this words on the internet,because international politics wont allow the truth about the Albanians.The truth is obscured. If you want me to explain those words to you, no problem, just ask.
@DonJeta0007 When you include the quote "THE TRUE HISTORY OF MAN KIND WILL BE WRITTEN ONLY WHEN ALBANIANS PARTICIPATE IN IT'S WRITING" (in capital letters) it does not inspire me to take you seriously. If you really want to claim credit for Trojans, Romans, and all of classical civilization be my guest. If all the evidence to the contrary doesn't deter you then why should I expect to. This page is rife with crazy Greek/Turkish nationalist propaganda. Why not add Albanian into the mix?
You are right, the capital letters doesn't say anything, but I only copied his statement. I understand your point about the nationalists, I totally agree.The history of the Balkans is full of propaganda lies, that's why I'm saying that our history has been manipulated and obscured. I don't want to be arrogant,because history is past time, but for those among us who want to know another truth, another side of the story, I think you should give Albanian side of the story a chance.
@Stubacca01 So many chances are given to the Greek and Latin side of the story, why not give chances to the Albanian side of the story? Albanians are the link between the ancient Greeks and the Romans. Others indeed look like nationalistic fools trying so hard to prove something that doesn't exist for them. I don't know if you're an historian or a linguist or another scientist? But it's up to you to distinguish propaganda lies from the truth...I try that too, it's not easy, but you can try.
@Stubacca01 About the Turks, I don't want to be rude, but we are talking about ancient history here and even prehistory, the time when Turks were still living in Mongolia and China...They really have nothing to say here and that goes for many others. Just because Anatolia was situated in what is today Turkey, it doesn't mean that the people that were living there 3000 years ago are the same as the people that are living there today. Although Turks have assimilated some of the ancient Anatolians,
@Stubacca01 But they haven't assimilated all of them. These people are not really Turko-Mongolians. In interviews, Truks themselves say that the Western 'Turks' are too European for them and that they are disgrace. Believe me, I'm shocked too when I see Turks here claiming ancient Trojans/ Anatolians. You know what I mean?
@Stubacca01 On the other hand, our neighbors in the Balkans hate Albanians for God knows what reason. They treat us like dirt, and I think it is also due to the fact that Albanians receive almost no credit from Internationals. They're identity is ignored. On the Balkans, people learn a false history. It started with the communism, Albania was isolated during communism, that's how others had the chance to make false claims about the Albanians, while we were too busy trying to survive.
@Stubacca01 We had to deal with so many aggressive invaders, like the Persians, the Slavs, the Ottoman Turks... I really think Albanians deserve more credit for saving Europe from so many invaders with the intentions of taking controle over Europe. I'm not a nationalist, I just want to know the truth. Trust me, people are to brainwashed, when I first read that Romans claimed Trojan origin, I was pleasantly surprised, but when I read they claimed Albanian origin, I was overwhelmed...
@Stubacca01 They all tell us how Albanian borrowed from Latin or from Greek, you never hear them say Albanian is the mother tongue.
I'll give you an example, the Albanian word gjitone means neighborhood in English, in Greek it's the word geitoniá (γειτονιά). Writers that don't know anything about Albanian, shouldn't write about it. They would write that Albanian borrowed from Greek, because that's just how it's supposed to be. But gjitone is a pure Albanian word.
@Stubacca01 We have other cognates like 'jan ngjitas' which means 'they are next to each other/ they are near each other', next = ngjitas you see even English is so related to Albanian. ngjitur means adjacent/ close/ near. Gjitoni means neigbour, it's the person that is next/close/near you / his house is stuck/next to your house. the verb ngjit means to paste/ to stick/ to glue.
@Stubacca01 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to degrade Greeks here, I'm just trying to prove to you my point about how Albanians can provide with another truth. You'd be surprised. I'm not degrading Greeks, on the contrary, I think Greeks & Albanians need to sit around the table and talk. Greeks just can't have the whole cake for themselves, they need to share with Albanians, weather they like it or not. Greeks alone will never be able to provide with the truth, Albanian is the key.
@Stubacca01 That being said, now I'll try to explain to you some words through the Albanian language..so that you have another insight to it. I'll try to keep it as short and simple as possible.
@Stubacca01 Hellenes (ancient Greeks) were called people of the sun, after the Greek word Helios (pronounced: Ilios) which means “sun” in English. –> (h)-eli-os or ili-os
Greek: asteri means star
Greek: imera means day
In Albanian: dielli (Tosk dialect) or dilli (Gheg dialect) means sun --> di-elli or di-illi
@Stubacca01 As we all know, the sun is a star, the only difference between the sun and the other stars, is that the other stars we see at night, while the sun we see by day. That’s why Albanians call the sun, the day star = dielli (from dita + elli) or dilli (from dita + illi), while Greeks call the sun just ilios.
@Stubacca01 Therealgummibear I read that experts consider verbs very important, because verbs tell about a person’s condition, feelings, actions. Experts say words derive from verbs. For example, the very new word computer actually derived from very old verbs: computare, putare (to compute, to calculate, to think).
The question is where did the common Albanian-Greek word illi derived from?
@Stubacca01 In Albanian we say “lindja e diellit”(Tosk dialect) (lini dilli, leni or leu dilli Gheg dialect) which means “sunrise” in English, which literally translates to “the birth of the sun”. Because in prehistoric times, people used to believe in the evening the sun dies/passes away and in the morning the sun is reborn again, the sun never grows old, the sun is eternal, every day/ every morning the sun is reborn.
@Stubacca01 Btw when someone passes away, we say he/she went to God. It's a prehistoric expression/tradition. Perendia means God and Perendimi means the West, no coincidence it's the side the sun sets/passes away and goes to God. Diell (sun), in English we have deity/devine. E Diell means Sunday in English, we take the day off to go to the church, the day we donate to God. The idea is much more ancient than the existence of Christianity. Anyway back to lindja e diellit...
@Stubacca01 This one is for our neighbours that deny our identity, while claiming the Illyrian identity for themselves.
In case you doubt whether Albanians are the Illyrians or not, just remember that every time an Albanian baby is born, an Illyrian is born (illi=the born= the one that is born= illi= a star= 100% ALBANIAN).
Now why in the world were Illyrians – Illines called people of the sun?
@Stubacca01 The sun was very important for them, Illines. In prehistoric times, knowledge was related to the light, the day and the sun. In prehistoric times and I mean in prehistoric times, the primitive people used to believe that the sun brought/gave them knowledge, because during the day (in the light), people could see things, they could analyze things, they could learn things,thus they became smarter/ knowledgeable, that’s why they believed the sun gave them knowledge and warmth of course.
@Stubacca01 All because in prehistoric times, during the night, they had to suffer from the cold, they couldn’t see etc. because there was no electricity, no candles. The sun was very important for them, actually the sun is still important, scientists say humans can’t live without the sun. The sun God (Dia Zeus and Apollo) talked/spoke and taught the Illyrian people. The gods of the sun had a great knowledge. But don't be fooled, Zeus and all the other ancient gods were no Gods at all.
@Stubacca01 They are only portrayed like that. A polytheistic religion is a worthless one, you know. ( I recommend to you: 'The Language of God' by James Pandeli. You can Google it.). Zeus was not a god at all, he was just a smart person during his time. Same goes for Apollo. In Albanian, there is a synonym for the verb e lind/e len/ i len (to give birth) the verb is e pjell which means to give birth, e polla is past sentence (e polla -> Phoebus Apollo , the ''''Greek'''' god of the sun).
@Stubacca01 Another synonym for e lind/e len/ i len / e pjell is the verb e bej, past sentence is e bona (Gheg dialect), e bora (Tosk dialect) which means to give birth, to be born (bora - bona --> born in English). You would be surprised how related English and Albanian are:-) Anyway: let's continue...
@Stubacca01 In Albanian: dielli (Tosk dialect) or dilli (Gheg dialect) means sun --> di-elli or di-illi
Albanian: dita means day
Albanian: dia (dija) means knowledge
drita means light, bright
digjet= means it burns
Now don’t be surprised, if I tell you that the Albanian dija (knowledge), drita (light, bright), dita (day), dilli (the sun), digjet (to burn) all derived from the verb: “di” which simply means to know something ( not the same as to know someone).
@Stubacca01 Troy was situated in Anatolia, Western Turkey. The Pelasgians represent the remains of the Atlantis civilization. The Pelasgians were the people that lived in Troy. ( The Albanians: An ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present by Edwin E. Jacques). They were the aboriginal Europeans (Atlantic people) that migrated there, during the Last Ice Age.
@Stubacca01 After the Ice Age some Trojans (Pelasgians) returned to their homeland, the Balkans, some others remained in Anatolia for many centuries, some others spread out up to India, spreading their language, today called the Indo-European language. The Ice Age theory is because of the Atlantis civilization. Many ancient writers wrote about them. In interview, I heard a scientist saying that doing research on the Atlantis is too expensive, but he said that he believes it did exist so..
@Stubacca01 They soon became numerous (because they invented agriculture, thus they had good life conditions) and spread to other parts of Europe, Northern Africa (ancient Egypt), Turkey, Asia Minor (up East to India), Middle East. Much later, Arabs and Mongolians (Turks) assimilated some of them, but not all of them. As we sometimes see fair haired, fair skinned, light eyed Turks/ Indians (e.g. Aishwarya Rai).
@Stubacca01 Anatoli in Greek means sunrise, because for us, Balkan Trojans, Turkey lies on the East, which is the side the Sun rises. Ana in Albanian means side,, doli means comes out or rises, ana doli the side the sun rises/comes out ---> in Greek: Anatoli = sunrise.
@DonJeta0007 A minimal knowledge of Ancient Greek, as opposed to Modern Greek, or a basic understanding of philology, as opposed to linguistics, would invalidate your entire argument. Please stop leaving 30+ comments worth of irrelevant digressions on how Albania created world civilization. It didn't. Seek professional help.
@Stubacca01 I wasn't talking about ancient Greek. I was telling you about some word explanations through Albanian. Both Greeks and Romans wrote so much about the Illyrians, but the Illyrians themselves have left no writings? Come on.... We are talking about a language that created words like xenofobia :-)
Can you give me the etymology of the word xenofobia?
@DonJeta0007 ξένος (foreign) and φόβος (fear). Both Albanian words I suppose? I once had a friend who was at a dig in Albania. When they found human remains the first thing that the authorities wanted to know was whether they were Albanian or Greek. He asked how he was supposed to know and they told him that Albanian remains had thick, strong bones while Greek ones had skinny, effeminate ones. I don't know why you feel the need to belittle other nations to feel big but I'm not interested in it.
@Stubacca01 Those ancient Greeks and Romans you are talking about put the Province of Dardania on the map in the region of what is today Kosova. The country is inhabited by Albanians. ( Serbs changed it to kosovo, Albanians still call it Dardania) and the region of Albania, Romans and Ancient Greeks used to call it Illyria/Illyricum. And strange enough it's these writers that wrote about Troy/Illion/Illium how it was devided into two branches 'The House of Dardania' and that of Troy.
@Stubacca01 foreign, yeah thanks I know the meaning of the word xenofobia, I was actually asking for the etymology of the word. Would you mind telling me the etymology of the word xenofobia, please?
@Stubacca01 I'm not belittleling anyone here, you are. I have been very polite towards Greeks and every other European. I'm saying this does not only concern the Albanians, it concerns Germanic-Celtic-Italic-Baltic and Greek people too.
But about the Greeks..Who are the Greeks? Which modern Greek people represent the ancient Greeks?
@Stubacca01 Don't tell me, it's the olive skinned minorities of Turkish, Egyptian, Armenian, Iranian descent, which make up about 40-50% of the Greek population, which the Orthodox Church managed to unite.
Do you know Who carried out the Independence of the Modern Greek State from the Ottoman Empire?
I'm still waiting for the etymology of the word xenofobia.
@Stubacca01 I guess I'm just trying to make you understand that there are many different peoples in Greece, some 40-50% are olive skinned and some other 50-60% are Albanian in origin. The latter are those '''Greeks''', that carried out the Independence of the Modern Greek State from the Ottoman Empire. And it's their language that gave rise to the modern Greek language. Ancient Greek is the Albanian language. Hate it or Love it!
@Stubacca01 I know you can't possibly provide us with the etymology of the word xenofobia, so for the audience, I'll do it with the help of the Albanian.
xenofobia a modern and ancient Greek word means fear for the strange(rs)/foreign(ers).
xeno means stranger/foreigner
fobia = fear
The Greek word xeno, like almost every Greek word, is a sentence in Albanian which explains exactly what the Greek word means.
@DonJeta0007 If you look back about 8 posts you will see that exact same etymology in my post. To repeat it: ξένος (foreign) and φόβος (fear). I have been assuming you could read Greek since you post so much about it. As to the Albanian I would advise that you look up the word cognate. It does NOT mean that you invented the word.
@DonJeta0007 If you truly want to believe that the Indo-European language originated in Albania, went all the way east to India, and then came back to Europe all based off of no evidence then that is your own business. But for your information the Alba referred to was Alba Minor (Alba meaning white), which you would know if you ever read the text. It is in Italy, right near Rome. And the reason your etymologies fail is that Greek has changed. η was a long e, not an i, and hey-li-os /= illyria.
@Stubacca01 Katharevousa (Greek: Καθαρεύουσα, [kaθaˈrevusa], lit. "purifying [language]"), is a form of the Greek language conceived in the early 19th century as a compromise between Ancient Greek and the Modern Greek of the time, with a vocabulary largely based on ancient forms, but a much-simplified grammar. Originally, it was widely used both for literary and official purposes, though seldom in daily language.
@Stubacca01 by widely used both for literary and official purposes, they mean it was used by the orthodox church, the church that united all the different people, creating a fake identity the Hellenes LOL.. The mighty Orthodox church desperately needed a language. Let's continue...In the 20th century, it was increasingly just for official and formal purposes, until in 1976, Dimotiki became the official language of Greece.
Don't act like you provided us with the etymology of the word xenofobia, ξένος is just the word xeno written in the Greek alphabet, that's it. You only gave us the meaning of the word, you DID NOT give the etymology of the word, because you can't. The modern Greek language can't, it's just a bastard language, a Katharevousa.
@Stubacca01 Have you ever heard of the Hyperborea? Greek hyper = Albanian siper= Latin super= English upper.
Hyperborean means the Upper Boreans. Before king Celtus, the Celtic people were called Hyperboreans by the ancient '''''greek''''' writers. While Albanians are called Arvanite (pronounced: Arbanite) in Greek. Albanians call themselves Arberesh/ Arbane/Arbene/Arbere depends on the different dialects of the Albanian (Gheg-Tosk dialect).
@Stubacca01 Latin Alba means white in English, while in Celtic the word Alba means a high peak in English.
Linguists say, before people had words for the different colors, they used subjects to refer to the colors. Like e.g. the snow that can only be white. Albanian bore means snow in English. Albanian bore-bordh-bardh mean white in English. Arbore means white land, snowy land. Hyperborea also meant Northern wind in ancient Greek, the northern you go the colder it gets.
@Stubacca01 The Albanians were the Arbore/Arbere and the Celts that lived up north, next to the Albanains were the Hyperboreans/ Upper Boreans.
Latin Alba which means white in English and the Celtic Alba which means a high peak in English, derived from the simply white snowy high peaks, mountains.
Albanian means white race, highlander, highlanders are a pale looking people. We have the highlanders of Schotland, UK which are called Albanians as well.
@Stubacca01 We have the mountains called the Alps (Albs=Alba) in Central Europe, indeed through Alba Longa in Italy:-) Alba Longa means the long stretched Alba. The European Alps start in Albania (3/4 of Albanians land is mountainous, 'The Albanians Alps'), up north through, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria,Germany,Switzerland, Italy, France, indeed that makes The ALBA LONGA, the long stretched Alba . Don't you get it? Now stop with that attitude. You are acting like a jerk.
@DonJeta0007 Now I have asked you politely to stop. This film has nothing to do with the Albanians and if I have no desire to get into a slugging match with a bunch of Greek and Turkish nationalists then I have even less desire to get in one with an Albanian one. At least they were on topic. From this point on I am ignoring your irrelevant comments. Go troll an Albanian video.
xeno (pronounced: kseno) derived from the Albanian sentence: ke(t) se njoh= qe se njoh ( q'se njoh is the short form) which means 'that person I don't know' in English, hence a stranger, a foreigner. Note that the Albanian verb njoh is the English cognate to know. njoh and know do not only mean the same, they are almost pronounced the same way too.
There you go:-) Now why in the world would I belittle the Greeks?
@Stubacca01 Ethnicity means people from the same origin, people from a common father/fathers/founder, that’s why babies receive the name of their father. The father is the founder of a family/ of a nation.
Yes of course it means a group of people living together as well, but that's not the etymology of the word, weird though it is what people get to read in etymological dictionaries. Ethnicity deffinately derived from Albanian Ethen (fathers), not from ethnos.
Troy (Hittite language: Wilusa or Truwisa; Greek: Ἴλιον, Ilion, and Τροία, Troia; Latin: Trōia and Īlium.
So Troy was also called Illion/Illium/Wilusa or Truwisa
Just like Albanian, Latin and Greek, Hittite was a Pelasgian dialect, with Albanian the oldest surviving one. That’s why Albanian is the oldest European language, it can be considered as the mother tongue.
Hittite: (w) - il - usa --> (w-ill- usa --> ill = illi = illion=illium) or TRU- wisa. Tru is also Albanian which means “Brain” in English.
Trujan/ Trojan means the brainy one:-) because Illion = the knowledgeable= the bright one= the star, the sun, the light = the civilized people
The word civilization is not only a Latin word, it's an Albanian word too. The Etruscans (The first people to inhabit Italy) used to write both ways, from left to right and vice versa.
@Stubacca01 The word civiliz is in Albanian still used in both ways, as civiliz as well as zhvillim, which means development, education, evolution, growth. A civilized person is an educated person. Many words are reversed, another example would be the Albanian word kulshedra in Latin it became dracula (from kul-she-dra to dra-kul-a). Another example: Albanian word emen means name in English, emen reversed becomes neme. In English writing it became name (pronounced: neime).
@Jimlead And the Indo-European 'invasion' is a lot less simple than that. The Hittites had been in Asia Minor since at least the 1800s. It wasn't one big movement. And just because Greece became Greek through invasion from the east (Still unproven. The Mycenaeans may well have adopted the local language) doesn't mean that Asia Minor did. Asia Minor was colonized by Greeks during the Dark Ages after the Mycenaeans fell. Asia Minor was not Greek before the first millennium BC.
@Jimlead Mithras was associated with Apollo but also with Helios and other gods. That doesn't make him the same god. The same with Ahura Mazda. The forms of worship and nature of the gods were totally different. Zoroastrians for example worshiped fire while Mithraism was a mystery cult. Neither of these were very similar to Zeus. They just associated them with him because they were perceived as father gods. Some gods were related (Jupiter=Zeus Pater) but most weren't.
@Jimlead I was talking about the Trojans. They were the ancestors of the Lydians. And the Turks were indeed a nomadic steppe tribe. Though not Mongol as you said earlier. They came west with the Mongols but so did a lot of peoples.
@Jimlead The list of Trojan gods contain Apaliunas (Apollo?) but also Kaskalkur and one other I can't remember. The last one sounds Mesopotamian to me. It certainly isn't Greek.
@Jimlead When did I say they were Turks? The Turks weren't around until over 2,000 years later. What they were was most likely Luvian (Who the later Greeks knew as Lydians). This was the only writing in any language found at Troy. The city was established in the 3rd Millenium BC, well before the Mycenaeans showed up. So it's not a proto-Greek city and there's no evidence that it was controlled by Greeks until after its fall.
@Jimlead You're using an epic poem written hundreds of years later to prove who Bronze Age Trojans worshiped. Without supporting evidence the Iliad cannot be used as a source for the Bronze Age. And how is it relevant that foreign gods were given Greek names by the Greeks? That doesn't show that the they worshiped the same gods, only that the Greeks associated them with theirs. And thank you for explaining that ancient civs worshiped many gods. Good call.
@Jimlead ??? I would really love to see you prove that. There is very little evidence about what gods the Trojans worshiped. The only information comes from a treaty drawn up with the Hittite king Suppiluliuma which lists three Wilusan gods only one of which bears any resemblance to a Greek god. Kaskalkur certainly doesn't sound Greek to me. And the civilization of Mycenae and Knossos were very different from the ones in Asia Minor.
@Jimlead The Luvian hieroglyphics were not the same as the Minoan or Mycenaean writings. I don't know where you heard that, but they're completely different.
@Jimlead Actually they have found Luvian writing in Troy in the form of a seal, and none at all from the Mycenaean Greeks. The Greek writing that comes from Troy came later when the city was refounded by Greek colonists. There was certainly plenty of Greek pottery at Troy, which is to be expected from a trading town, but there isn't nearly enough surviving artwork to make artistic comparisons with other cultures. From the layout of their city they seem to be under strongly Asia Minor influences.
Believe me, Troy is equal with Tara(irish legends of the tuatha de danann),Tartessos by Platon,Tarshish in the bible=Tarsos in cilician.
Cilician name in oldegyptian is Quidowadana,land of adana,aden in sumerian(eden of the bible).Land of danay was greece and cilician for 3300 years.Danay was the name for greeks in the iliad.Dinya(world in kurdish),domnach(world in irish-gaelic;spoken down),donja(world in persian),dinga(world in thracian),duniya(world in hindi)../Truwisa(troy),Taruisa(tarsos)
ok ok people look here. Yes greeks are balkan trojans were in Anatolia. if you read the ancient stories of the trojan war you'd realize that Achilles (Greek warrior) was related to Priam(Trojan King) and Hector(Priam's son) and the royal trojan family.
p.s Ajax the Greater himself was related to Achilles. theres a big family hidden from us
Troy = Anatolia = Westcoast of Turkey = Luwian Tribe = Descent of the Hethitians.
Today Anatolians = Turks - this mean, the ancient Troys were also Turks (Anatolians). The Today Turks of Anatolia are genetically descent from the ancient tribes from Holy Anatolia.
You Stupid, Greeks (Myceneans) want to take over Anatolia, but the Anatolian People (Luwians) kicked your ass many times.
@geileSpritzwurst erm turks are asiatic related to japonese.. greeks didn't originate from balkans but migrated there.. and Trojan were most defently related to Thracians, Luwians and Hittites, today Hittites are most defently related to Armenians... whereas Thracians are related to Albanian Luwians are believed to be Sea People originally... Sea people also lived in Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia, Albania, and Bulgaria Greeks did not originate from Balkans but Migrated there and toke Pelasgian land
@geileSpritzwurst,I, we, never insulted your religion and your country nor your ideology. Why do you? You shame everything that has to do with honor. Even if i have different beilifs from you, we both are humen. Also, you should respect as, no matter what happened or not. Lastly, take what i'm saying right now as a friendly advice. Try to read all of the Iliad once. Then come back to me and then you'll understand that what you said is absolutely wrong.
@geileSpritzwurst That's just dumb. Today Anatolians = Turks therefore Trojans = Turks. You've got it backwards. Turkey is the name of the country, Anatiolia or Asia Minor is the name of the land area. The Trojans were Anatolian because they lived in Anatolia but they were not Turkish because Turks didn't exist. The Turks are Anatolian because they live in Anatolia, but there were never any Trojan Turks because Troy didn't exist.
@EastanbulSpecial what turks in the antic times? Are you on hashish, you silly turkey? the turkeys came in 14 century to the Greek land of Anadolia. Should be thrown out if you ask me. All the way back to turkmenistan, where you came from.
Greece Land is Greece in Balkan. Anatolia is the Land of Anatolian People: Trojans, Lydians, Lykians, Luwians, Phyrgians, Hittites, Hurrians, Urartu etc.
Greeks are not Anatolian People, the Greeks colonized the West Coast of Anatolia, and the Anatolian People (Turks) kicked the Greeks ass in the 1915 out of Holy Anatolia.
Greeks are Balkan People (Europeans), you are not welcome in (Asia) Anatolia !
But Atakurk Born of Turkish parents Was born in Thessaloniki (Saloniki) Greece. Thus over these past millennia of years and inter racial Loving, you all have the same makeup and are Cousin's, So Kiss and Make up. Ps, lets not forget the Romans!!
Wrong assumptions from the start. Hettites are not Greeks, so the city is not Troy. The greeks fought the Greeks at the Troy. These historians are just full of hot air. Ready for retirement if they are forgetting that one IMPORTANT detail. And how about the stars that cannot be seen from this turkish "Troy"? Or what eels are in the rivers when eels do not exist in Asia Minor? Troy is simply not there. It is somewhere else.
@phuc1598 Kid, just because you have a computer close doesn't make you knowledgeable. Go to school, learn history and be good to your parents, if you have them. Greeks fighting Greeks was a very common occurence. The only other option is that the Greeks fought Illyrians (Troyans), as the actual name of the epic suggests: Illyad. But, it was more likely a Greek colony in the Illyrian lands because Troyans spoke greek, had the greek gods greek names and behaved like Greeks. Troy was not in turkey.
@phuc1598 He´s an uneducated Greek, idiot. Troy was an anatolian "Luwian" Tribe, the Greeks were from the Balkan (Europe) and want to take over the West Coast of Anatolia (Asia Minor).
The Anatolians today are "Turkish", the Greeks are not belong to "Anatolia". This European Greeks, wish they were "Anatolians" from Asia Minor. But Anatolia ist the Home of Anatolian People, not Greek (Balkanese Europeans).
@EastanbulSpecial WHAT THE FUCK ARE U SAYING |||IM ALBanian !! You turkish your mongols you cam later you never exzicted at that moment you where in the bals of jingkes khan.... Troy was Albanian colony at that thime ( Thos where the dardan folks ho moved from the kosovo region macedonia region to the place in turkij and setled a place a new kingdow The princ His name was AGRON !! .... like that blabla bla
u albanian CAVEMAN, the albanian history is written by the turks, before the turks came to the balkan, you never exzisted ath taht moment you where in the BALLS of SERBS. TROY WAS in Anatolia(LUWIAN TRIBE), the luwians were an ancient tribe from central-anatolia (TURKEY), descent of the hethitians. You Fool, the Turks are descent of the Anatolians (today anatolia is called "The Land of Turks".
@geileSpritzwurst, so you claim that Troy used to be a turkish colony. Give some proof . Want my proof? The religion of the people of Troy, which is described many time in the Iliad. They praised the same gods as the Greeks did. Also, there is a scene from the Iliad Where a trojan hero and a greek hero are ready to fight, and before the battle they talk about their famillies.they turned out to be relatives. First read, then talk genius.And be sure not to read a turkish copy of the Iliad.
@SolidJohn9 Are you using the Iliad as a historical source for the Trojans? You are aware that the book is an epic poem (ie: fiction). Homer could claim the Trojans worshiped whoever they liked and who was gonna prove him wrong? Worse than that the Greeks often associated other gods with their own, such as Zeus Ammon in Egypt. The only thing dumber is that you're arguing whether the Trojans were Greeks or Turks, neither of which existed then. Achaeans or Luvians more like.
@Stubacca1, you don't know how many people i have met on youtube. You also don't know with how many of them i have quarreled with...Because of that exact fact, i am extremely bored to quarrel with another person as well. So lets make this brief. Look, i am from Greece, so there's no way you can know more things about the Iliad or generally about the Greek mythology than me.Anyway, the Iliad is not a myth, well part of it is indeed, but Hommer based his ''tale'' on real events. e.g the trojan war
@SolidJohn So I can't know anything about Greek myths because I'm not Greek? Have you ever read the Iliad in its original Greek, or just a modern Greek translation? At any rate, this isn't about who knows more Greek myths. Even if you could run circles around me it would be irrelevant if there is no truth behind them. I'm fairly liberal when it comes to interpreting myths so I think that there is some fact in them, but that doesn't mean that the vast majority of the Iliad is anything but fiction
@SolidJohn9 And again, Turkey didn't exist then, nor did Greece. Using the Iliad as proof of it doesn't help since Homer never calls the Greeks (Έλληνες) but Achaeans and Danaans. The Greek colonies in Asia Minor weren't founded till after the Mycenaeans, and the Turks didn't show up in Asia Minor until the 11th Century. And are you talking about Diomedes and Glaucus as the two who were related? Because they weren't. Diomedes' ancestor had hosted Glaucus' so they were bound by guest-friendship.
@Stubacca01, most of what you are saying is true, and it pleases me a lot that there are lots of people who study and generally are interested in the Greek mythology. But, if you search on wikipedia about the origin of the Greeks, you'll learn that the Danaans where the Greek's ancestors You seem to be a sophisticated person, so I think that you are mature enough to understand that i am not saying all this because i am just a greek..
@SolidJohn9 The Danaans were indeed among the Greeks ancestors, along with the Achaeans, Dorians, and (in slightly more modern times) the Slavs. However the Turks were a nomadic steppe tribe that didn't come into Asia Minor until the 12th Century. If you're using Turkey to mean the geographical locations then Asia Minor works better since that is a geographical term. Regardless, the Trojans were neither Greek nor Turkish but Luvian, although they undoubtedly had contact with the Greeks.
@EastanbulSpecial Greeks did not originate from Balkans but migrated there... before Greeks there were Pelasgians.... Pelasgians lived in Greece, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bulgaria, Albania and Turkey longgggg before the Greeks Turks and Illyrians... we have more links Pelasgians being closer to Thracians than anyother people, Originally Troy was also known as Dardania who were described as SEA PEOPLE
@EastanbulSpecial aegian coast of turkey and black sea coast(ephesus,miletus,trebizon and more) are ancient greek cities.....then they becaume romans after romans turks come....
I love this type of history :) The Economics and Civics sucks I dont care what our Fathers did ._. I just care about what happened more than 3000 years ago like The Dark bronze and steel age's!!
Explotation kid. The Trojans did fight outside of their city. They fought constant skirmishes with the greeks for 10 years on and off. But only at the last year did the war fully break out where the greek army was pushed back to their ships and nearly completely wiped out until patroclus came along pretending to be Achilles and forced the Trojans back. The Trojans only managed to counter act the greeks at every turn because the greeks had a traitor amongst them. Agamemmnon was a shite commande
iainp18 4 weeks ago
I am greek Troy was a glorified movie about the trojans. it was all bullshit. The trojans never came out with a army to fight the greeks. The only time they left there walls were on little night raids against the greeks. The rest of the time they hid behind there walls and just rained arrows. Before u guys start arguing with me ive read lots of books about this war and i looked up a lot The trojans never did shit outside there walls army to army. Its just proof in the books
ExploitationKid 7 months ago
@ExploitationKid How the hell do you know this. The only evidence that we have of the war is through the Iliad and some pottery fragments. There is NOTHING else that describes the war in detail as you are saying now. And obviously you need to go outside your walls and fight your enemy in order to drive them off, because they can easily besiege your city and starve out your population. Food for a massive population was grown outside the city for spacial purposes. You're wrong.
Drbolla345 1 month ago
I WONDER WHY ANYBODY BELIEVED THE HITTITES AND NOT THE GREEKS!...WHAT MAKES ANYBODY BELIEVE THE HITTITES WERE SAYING THE TRUTH?...THEY WERE PROBABLY WRITING A NICE MYTH!..OR THEY WERE COPING THE GREEKS LIKE ALWAYS DID!....BEHAVE NOW ,DISTORTERS OF HISTORY!..SILENCE!...WE HAVE THE NAMES,WE HAVE ALL THE PLACES THEY WERE MENTIONING IN THE TROJAN STORY,WE HAVE THE PEOPLE,WE HAVE THE WRITINGS!...THE HITTITES HAVE NOTHING! NO NAMES NO PLACE!..JUST THE STORY!..CLOSE YOUR MOUTHS NOW!
nixter888 9 months ago
Dardania Greek: Δαρδανία in Greek mythology is the name of a city founded on Mount Ida by Dardanus from which also the region and the people took their name. It lay on the Hellespont, and is the source of the strait's modern name, the Dardanelles...........
nixter888 9 months ago
From Dardanus' grandson Tros the people gained the additional name of Trojans and the region gained the additional name Troad. Tros' son Ilus subsequently founded a further city called Ilion down on the plain, the city now more commonly called Troy, and the kingdom was split between Ilium and Dardania....GREEK COLONIES!...TROJANS WERE ALSO GREEKS!...CLOSE YOUR MOUTH NOW!
nixter888 9 months ago
GREEK HISTORIANS ARE MENTIONING TROAS: Eratosthenes , Herodotus Duris of Samos Modern archaeologists associate Homeric Troy with archaeological Troy VII......................Besides the Iliad, there are references to Troy in the other major work attributed to Homer, the Odyssey, as well as in other ancient Greek literature. The Homeric legend of Troy was elaborated by the Roman poet Virgil in his Aeneid.
nixter888 9 months ago
Alexander the Great, for example, visited the site in 334 BC and made sacrifices at tombs there associated with the Homeric heroes Achilles and Patroclus...SHUT UP NOW!.....LET THE GREEKS BE!...JEALOUS BASTARDS!...MODERN SO CALL ARCHAEOLOGISTS,TRYING TO UNDERRATE THE GREEKS!...YOU ARE SO IGNORANTS,...YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF ODYSSEY,AND ILIAD!...A BOOK WRITTEN WITH CODES WITH THE GODLY GREEK LANGUAGE GIVING US GODLY INFORMATIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING!..EAT YOUR HARTS OUT! BASTARDS!
nixter888 9 months ago 17
DISTORTING HISTORY DOES NOT TAKE YOU ANYWHERE!...THE ONLY THING IT DOES IS EMBARRASSING YOU!...TRYING HEARD TO UNDERRATE THE GREEKS!...SHAME ON YOU!
nixter888 9 months ago
@nixter888 HARD
nixter888 9 months ago
the trojan war is just a story not a historical event geez.
homer created this story.
if the trojan war was real then achilles, odysseues, paris, hector and helena of troy have to be real right? i'm not buying it it's just a mythical story and even the ancient greeks know it's a fairytale. so i don't think they ever take that seriously.
their is no troy in anatolia, their is no mycaenian greek invasion ever occured.
it may been based on some real events but the rest is made up.
americanliberal09 10 months ago
@americanliberal09
You were totally there in ancient greek right!?
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN it was recorded that the ancient greeks didn't take the story seriously they know it's just a literature. athenian boys at schools learn to read about homer's illiad but not be taken literally only for educational purposes.
so i don't have to be their to prove the story s not historical. i can research on mycaenian greeks vs. trojans all day and still find no evidence of troy nor the invasion on anatolia. the city of troy is made up bro. don't make too many assumptions. later dude
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
Well "dude" You still didn't answer my question. Were you there in ANcient Greece?
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN i already did dude i said i don't need to be their to prove it's not real
read my comment carefully
troy is a mythical city made up by homer.
damn the story of troy is supposed to teach moral lesson not something historical.
so don't try to post to me were are you in ancient greece? it sounds illogical bro.
i don't have to be physically be their to prove it's not real
in our school everybody knows that the story of troy is not real.
besides homer is a blind poet.
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
Well, you continuesly use the words "dude" and "Bro" Its kinda hard to take you seriously. And you weren't there, so you have no way of sayin it doesnt exsist.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN so what bro i'm an american duh. of course i'm going to say those words.
i do have a way of saying it doesn't exist.
most western scholars will tell you it's not real.
the trojan war is a made up story.
it's not just me it's also the rest of my classmates know that the trojan war is not historical.
you have to do better than saying you weren't their.
if the trojan war was real than how come one of the greek historians never recorded this battle in one of their archeves?
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
I am american too you dolt, and I don't use immature bro and dude talk. Now, you weren't there so you have absolutely no way of saying if it happend or not.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN bro nor dude are not immature words geez it's not like it's going to harm you for crap sakes.
i love those words stop being sensitive. just because people use dude or bro is not offensive it's just a friendly terms to identify friends. i don't know why you get upset over it.
it's not a historical event just a poem.
oh boy you can say anlantis is real too
dude it's not real and will never be real.
so get over it
the trojan war is pure make believe.
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
But.. you weren't there. And I'm not freaking out over the word. You use them as though we are friends yet I barely know you. Use your own termanology correctly.
WHy must you hit enter after each sentence as well? Oh yeah, and i'm nto talking about Atlantis, we're talking about the Trojan war. WHich was 100% real.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN dude don't get upset o.k just because i call you dude in a friendly way not as if we know each other automatically geez.
i was just trying to be peaceful with you bro.
oh no your are the one that's acting all hostile and ultra senstive.
man dude relax
of course i'm not their but i did some research on the poem.
no ancient greek historian ever record this event into the greek archives that's how i know it's not real.
it's a great poem not historical
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@MegaVCN you bro are very delusional no western scholar will ever say the trojan war was real including the ancient greek historians.
their is no historical archieves of this war ever occured in greek history.
same goes for all those people who still believe the trojan war is real are living in la la la land.
helen of troy, paris, hector achiellis and sea nymph mother are not real life people.
guess like you don't want to face the truth. trojan is a imagination get over it
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
See, your the one who keeps avoiding the topic of you werent there.
Ohh yeah, and your the biggest F*cking idiot ever because you havent seen how badly im trolling you right now. Justsaying :O
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN i'm an idoit wow i'm not avoiding the topic of i wasn't their.
sigh damn you are dumb.
the trojan war is just a poem don't take it seriously.
i can look at the ancient greek archeves and they make no mention about the trojan war.
dude you are living in a fantasy world.
how come a greek historian named herodotus never mention about the trojan war
how about this dude can you bring up any ancient greek historian mentioning anything about the trojan war?
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@MegaVCN bro i'm the one that actually did the research on the illiad but you cannot prove to me how the trojan war is real by using ancient greek historians.
guess like you assume what you wanted to be.
i think your just little baby who can't take an simple fact.
and you keep saying you are not their so you don't know.
but i do know thanks to sources of the great western scholars and the ancient greek historical data i really know it's not real. your being dogmatic dude
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
Jeez, your so stupid. I was trolling you, your such a f*cking idiot.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN alright name one ancient greek historian that talk trojan war but oh no you can't prove it.
why are you getting upset for some reason? are your feelings hurt that bad?
because your not phasing me dude.
you haven't prove to me how troy was real.
but you want to keep acing like a big cry baby ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
oh did i make upset over one little fairytale you love to prove to be real? hh ha ha ha ha ha ha.
c'mon bro answer my question
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@MegaVCN your confusing dude really
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
I was never serious you facking idiot. I was messing with you.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN ?????? don't get it
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@MegaVCN i don't know how that was a joke seriously.
that wasn't even really funny.
you say oh you weren't their but when i refute to you now your telling your just joking
???????????? hmmm looks like you were deeply pissed about it bro.
i was acting all calm and relax but you acting all angry and serious about it geez.
and you said troy was real but when i said it's not real you act if you weren't serious about it.
you are most confusing person i ever meet.
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09
I can see i am now being trolled back. Well played sir.
MegaVCN 9 months ago
@MegaVCN uhhhh? o.k i guess
americanliberal09 9 months ago
I'm just a little confused :P
So the Hittites were going to attack Wilucia/Troy. Was this prior to the Trojan War and where do the Greeks come in?
zhogan42 10 months ago
@zhogan42 From what i know and seem to have read the most evidence of (feel free to correct me) this was prior to the Trojan War which is were the greeks have a 10 year non-constant siege of Troy/Wilucia.
Also we use to think Wilucia was a real city and Troy was a myth, and that Wilucia was a city later burnt to the ground by the Romans, but was originalyy the Trojan capitol.
bluminonyon 10 months ago
@Jimlead The Greeks did indeed have colonies in Asia Minor, but they didn't show up until the Greek Dark Ages which lasted from around the end of the Mycenaean era until the time of Homer (1200-800 BC). That's also when the cities in Magna Graecia and Sicily were founded. During the Mycenaean era the Greeks were confined to mainland Greece and the islands of the Aegean with possible control or influence over one or two southern Anatolian cities like Miletus.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 I don't want to be arrogant, but Albanian, the oldest European language is the key. You will NEVER find the truth if you ignore Albanian.The main word civilization is an Albanian word. Troy Illion/Illium, Anatolia, Etruria, Illyria all but Albanian words.You wont find the explanation/etymology of this words on the internet,because international politics wont allow the truth about the Albanians.The truth is obscured. If you want me to explain those words to you, no problem, just ask.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 When you include the quote "THE TRUE HISTORY OF MAN KIND WILL BE WRITTEN ONLY WHEN ALBANIANS PARTICIPATE IN IT'S WRITING" (in capital letters) it does not inspire me to take you seriously. If you really want to claim credit for Trojans, Romans, and all of classical civilization be my guest. If all the evidence to the contrary doesn't deter you then why should I expect to. This page is rife with crazy Greek/Turkish nationalist propaganda. Why not add Albanian into the mix?
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Hi,
You are right, the capital letters doesn't say anything, but I only copied his statement. I understand your point about the nationalists, I totally agree.The history of the Balkans is full of propaganda lies, that's why I'm saying that our history has been manipulated and obscured. I don't want to be arrogant,because history is past time, but for those among us who want to know another truth, another side of the story, I think you should give Albanian side of the story a chance.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 So many chances are given to the Greek and Latin side of the story, why not give chances to the Albanian side of the story? Albanians are the link between the ancient Greeks and the Romans. Others indeed look like nationalistic fools trying so hard to prove something that doesn't exist for them. I don't know if you're an historian or a linguist or another scientist? But it's up to you to distinguish propaganda lies from the truth...I try that too, it's not easy, but you can try.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 About the Turks, I don't want to be rude, but we are talking about ancient history here and even prehistory, the time when Turks were still living in Mongolia and China...They really have nothing to say here and that goes for many others. Just because Anatolia was situated in what is today Turkey, it doesn't mean that the people that were living there 3000 years ago are the same as the people that are living there today. Although Turks have assimilated some of the ancient Anatolians,
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 But they haven't assimilated all of them. These people are not really Turko-Mongolians. In interviews, Truks themselves say that the Western 'Turks' are too European for them and that they are disgrace. Believe me, I'm shocked too when I see Turks here claiming ancient Trojans/ Anatolians. You know what I mean?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 On the other hand, our neighbors in the Balkans hate Albanians for God knows what reason. They treat us like dirt, and I think it is also due to the fact that Albanians receive almost no credit from Internationals. They're identity is ignored. On the Balkans, people learn a false history. It started with the communism, Albania was isolated during communism, that's how others had the chance to make false claims about the Albanians, while we were too busy trying to survive.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 We had to deal with so many aggressive invaders, like the Persians, the Slavs, the Ottoman Turks... I really think Albanians deserve more credit for saving Europe from so many invaders with the intentions of taking controle over Europe. I'm not a nationalist, I just want to know the truth. Trust me, people are to brainwashed, when I first read that Romans claimed Trojan origin, I was pleasantly surprised, but when I read they claimed Albanian origin, I was overwhelmed...
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 They all tell us how Albanian borrowed from Latin or from Greek, you never hear them say Albanian is the mother tongue.
I'll give you an example, the Albanian word gjitone means neighborhood in English, in Greek it's the word geitoniá (γειτονιά). Writers that don't know anything about Albanian, shouldn't write about it. They would write that Albanian borrowed from Greek, because that's just how it's supposed to be. But gjitone is a pure Albanian word.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 We have other cognates like 'jan ngjitas' which means 'they are next to each other/ they are near each other', next = ngjitas you see even English is so related to Albanian. ngjitur means adjacent/ close/ near. Gjitoni means neigbour, it's the person that is next/close/near you / his house is stuck/next to your house. the verb ngjit means to paste/ to stick/ to glue.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to degrade Greeks here, I'm just trying to prove to you my point about how Albanians can provide with another truth. You'd be surprised. I'm not degrading Greeks, on the contrary, I think Greeks & Albanians need to sit around the table and talk. Greeks just can't have the whole cake for themselves, they need to share with Albanians, weather they like it or not. Greeks alone will never be able to provide with the truth, Albanian is the key.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
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@Stubacca01 That being said, now I'll try to explain to you some words through the Albanian language..so that you have another insight to it. I'll try to keep it as short and simple as possible.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Hellenes (ancient Greeks) were called people of the sun, after the Greek word Helios (pronounced: Ilios) which means “sun” in English. –> (h)-eli-os or ili-os
Greek: asteri means star
Greek: imera means day
In Albanian: dielli (Tosk dialect) or dilli (Gheg dialect) means sun --> di-elli or di-illi
Albanian: dita means day
Albanian: illi (ylli or elli) means star.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 As we all know, the sun is a star, the only difference between the sun and the other stars, is that the other stars we see at night, while the sun we see by day. That’s why Albanians call the sun, the day star = dielli (from dita + elli) or dilli (from dita + illi), while Greeks call the sun just ilios.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Therealgummibear I read that experts consider verbs very important, because verbs tell about a person’s condition, feelings, actions. Experts say words derive from verbs. For example, the very new word computer actually derived from very old verbs: computare, putare (to compute, to calculate, to think).
The question is where did the common Albanian-Greek word illi derived from?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 In Albanian we say “lindja e diellit”(Tosk dialect) (lini dilli, leni or leu dilli Gheg dialect) which means “sunrise” in English, which literally translates to “the birth of the sun”. Because in prehistoric times, people used to believe in the evening the sun dies/passes away and in the morning the sun is reborn again, the sun never grows old, the sun is eternal, every day/ every morning the sun is reborn.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Btw when someone passes away, we say he/she went to God. It's a prehistoric expression/tradition. Perendia means God and Perendimi means the West, no coincidence it's the side the sun sets/passes away and goes to God. Diell (sun), in English we have deity/devine. E Diell means Sunday in English, we take the day off to go to the church, the day we donate to God. The idea is much more ancient than the existence of Christianity. Anyway back to lindja e diellit...
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 The Albanian verb “e lind or i lind” (Tosk) or e lin, e len, i len, i lin ( Gheg dialect) means to be born, or to give birth.
Thus illi (star) literally means “the one that is born= the born”, which is the sun (a star).
You see, Illyrians (illines) are the same people as Hellenes (pronounced: illines)
This is something ONLY Greeks and Albanians know, foreigners don’t know.
The question is, how come we say Illyrians, instead of Illines?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 The word Illyrian derived from the Albanian toponym Illyria from Illi rria ( rria refers to a toponym, rria translates to residence)
The Albanian verb: rri means to reside, to remain, to be settled , to live.
Thus Illyria means the place where the stars reside, remain, are settled, “star’s residence”.
Illyria is in the Tosk dialect, in the Gheg dialect it's Illinia (nia instead of ria), like in Albania, Dardania, Ghegenia all toponyms.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 This one is for our neighbours that deny our identity, while claiming the Illyrian identity for themselves.
In case you doubt whether Albanians are the Illyrians or not, just remember that every time an Albanian baby is born, an Illyrian is born (illi=the born= the one that is born= illi= a star= 100% ALBANIAN).
Now why in the world were Illyrians – Illines called people of the sun?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 The sun was very important for them, Illines. In prehistoric times, knowledge was related to the light, the day and the sun. In prehistoric times and I mean in prehistoric times, the primitive people used to believe that the sun brought/gave them knowledge, because during the day (in the light), people could see things, they could analyze things, they could learn things,thus they became smarter/ knowledgeable, that’s why they believed the sun gave them knowledge and warmth of course.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 All because in prehistoric times, during the night, they had to suffer from the cold, they couldn’t see etc. because there was no electricity, no candles. The sun was very important for them, actually the sun is still important, scientists say humans can’t live without the sun. The sun God (Dia Zeus and Apollo) talked/spoke and taught the Illyrian people. The gods of the sun had a great knowledge. But don't be fooled, Zeus and all the other ancient gods were no Gods at all.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 They are only portrayed like that. A polytheistic religion is a worthless one, you know. ( I recommend to you: 'The Language of God' by James Pandeli. You can Google it.). Zeus was not a god at all, he was just a smart person during his time. Same goes for Apollo. In Albanian, there is a synonym for the verb e lind/e len/ i len (to give birth) the verb is e pjell which means to give birth, e polla is past sentence (e polla -> Phoebus Apollo , the ''''Greek'''' god of the sun).
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Another synonym for e lind/e len/ i len / e pjell is the verb e bej, past sentence is e bona (Gheg dialect), e bora (Tosk dialect) which means to give birth, to be born (bora - bona --> born in English). You would be surprised how related English and Albanian are:-) Anyway: let's continue...
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 In Albanian: dielli (Tosk dialect) or dilli (Gheg dialect) means sun --> di-elli or di-illi
Albanian: dita means day
Albanian: dia (dija) means knowledge
drita means light, bright
digjet= means it burns
Now don’t be surprised, if I tell you that the Albanian dija (knowledge), drita (light, bright), dita (day), dilli (the sun), digjet (to burn) all derived from the verb: “di” which simply means to know something ( not the same as to know someone).
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Troy was situated in Anatolia, Western Turkey. The Pelasgians represent the remains of the Atlantis civilization. The Pelasgians were the people that lived in Troy. ( The Albanians: An ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present by Edwin E. Jacques). They were the aboriginal Europeans (Atlantic people) that migrated there, during the Last Ice Age.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 After the Ice Age some Trojans (Pelasgians) returned to their homeland, the Balkans, some others remained in Anatolia for many centuries, some others spread out up to India, spreading their language, today called the Indo-European language. The Ice Age theory is because of the Atlantis civilization. Many ancient writers wrote about them. In interview, I heard a scientist saying that doing research on the Atlantis is too expensive, but he said that he believes it did exist so..
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 They soon became numerous (because they invented agriculture, thus they had good life conditions) and spread to other parts of Europe, Northern Africa (ancient Egypt), Turkey, Asia Minor (up East to India), Middle East. Much later, Arabs and Mongolians (Turks) assimilated some of them, but not all of them. As we sometimes see fair haired, fair skinned, light eyed Turks/ Indians (e.g. Aishwarya Rai).
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Anatoli in Greek means sunrise, because for us, Balkan Trojans, Turkey lies on the East, which is the side the Sun rises. Ana in Albanian means side,, doli means comes out or rises, ana doli the side the sun rises/comes out ---> in Greek: Anatoli = sunrise.
Troy was in Anatolia.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 In Albanian Atlantis (synonyms: Atlanda /Atlantida/ Atdhe) means Fatherland in English.
From Albanian: atë = father
lantis = land
the founder of Atlantis was Atlas (from at- lash-t) which is Albanian, meaning forbearer, ancient father, which also simply means founder.
Like in Ethnicity, which derived from Albanian:
Atë (singular) = father
Eten (Ethen) (plural)= fathers
On the internet, you can only read how it derived from the Greek ethnos, a group of people living together LOL
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 A minimal knowledge of Ancient Greek, as opposed to Modern Greek, or a basic understanding of philology, as opposed to linguistics, would invalidate your entire argument. Please stop leaving 30+ comments worth of irrelevant digressions on how Albania created world civilization. It didn't. Seek professional help.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 I wasn't talking about ancient Greek. I was telling you about some word explanations through Albanian. Both Greeks and Romans wrote so much about the Illyrians, but the Illyrians themselves have left no writings? Come on.... We are talking about a language that created words like xenofobia :-)
Can you give me the etymology of the word xenofobia?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 ξένος (foreign) and φόβος (fear). Both Albanian words I suppose? I once had a friend who was at a dig in Albania. When they found human remains the first thing that the authorities wanted to know was whether they were Albanian or Greek. He asked how he was supposed to know and they told him that Albanian remains had thick, strong bones while Greek ones had skinny, effeminate ones. I don't know why you feel the need to belittle other nations to feel big but I'm not interested in it.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Those ancient Greeks and Romans you are talking about put the Province of Dardania on the map in the region of what is today Kosova. The country is inhabited by Albanians. ( Serbs changed it to kosovo, Albanians still call it Dardania) and the region of Albania, Romans and Ancient Greeks used to call it Illyria/Illyricum. And strange enough it's these writers that wrote about Troy/Illion/Illium how it was devided into two branches 'The House of Dardania' and that of Troy.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 foreign, yeah thanks I know the meaning of the word xenofobia, I was actually asking for the etymology of the word. Would you mind telling me the etymology of the word xenofobia, please?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 I'm not belittleling anyone here, you are. I have been very polite towards Greeks and every other European. I'm saying this does not only concern the Albanians, it concerns Germanic-Celtic-Italic-Baltic and Greek people too.
But about the Greeks..Who are the Greeks? Which modern Greek people represent the ancient Greeks?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Don't tell me, it's the olive skinned minorities of Turkish, Egyptian, Armenian, Iranian descent, which make up about 40-50% of the Greek population, which the Orthodox Church managed to unite.
Do you know Who carried out the Independence of the Modern Greek State from the Ottoman Empire?
I'm still waiting for the etymology of the word xenofobia.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 I guess I'm just trying to make you understand that there are many different peoples in Greece, some 40-50% are olive skinned and some other 50-60% are Albanian in origin. The latter are those '''Greeks''', that carried out the Independence of the Modern Greek State from the Ottoman Empire. And it's their language that gave rise to the modern Greek language. Ancient Greek is the Albanian language. Hate it or Love it!
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 I know you can't possibly provide us with the etymology of the word xenofobia, so for the audience, I'll do it with the help of the Albanian.
xenofobia a modern and ancient Greek word means fear for the strange(rs)/foreign(ers).
xeno means stranger/foreigner
fobia = fear
The Greek word xeno, like almost every Greek word, is a sentence in Albanian which explains exactly what the Greek word means.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 If you look back about 8 posts you will see that exact same etymology in my post. To repeat it: ξένος (foreign) and φόβος (fear). I have been assuming you could read Greek since you post so much about it. As to the Albanian I would advise that you look up the word cognate. It does NOT mean that you invented the word.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 If you truly want to believe that the Indo-European language originated in Albania, went all the way east to India, and then came back to Europe all based off of no evidence then that is your own business. But for your information the Alba referred to was Alba Minor (Alba meaning white), which you would know if you ever read the text. It is in Italy, right near Rome. And the reason your etymologies fail is that Greek has changed. η was a long e, not an i, and hey-li-os /= illyria.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Do you know what 'Katharevousa' means? Please read about it.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Because you are the one who does NOT make sense at all, right now... About Alba,, I can show you it's eventually a pure Albanian word:-)
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Katharevousa (Greek: Καθαρεύουσα, [kaθaˈrevusa], lit. "purifying [language]"), is a form of the Greek language conceived in the early 19th century as a compromise between Ancient Greek and the Modern Greek of the time, with a vocabulary largely based on ancient forms, but a much-simplified grammar. Originally, it was widely used both for literary and official purposes, though seldom in daily language.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 by widely used both for literary and official purposes, they mean it was used by the orthodox church, the church that united all the different people, creating a fake identity the Hellenes LOL.. The mighty Orthodox church desperately needed a language. Let's continue...In the 20th century, it was increasingly just for official and formal purposes, until in 1976, Dimotiki became the official language of Greece.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01
Don't act like you provided us with the etymology of the word xenofobia, ξένος is just the word xeno written in the Greek alphabet, that's it. You only gave us the meaning of the word, you DID NOT give the etymology of the word, because you can't. The modern Greek language can't, it's just a bastard language, a Katharevousa.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Have you ever heard of the Hyperborea? Greek hyper = Albanian siper= Latin super= English upper.
Hyperborean means the Upper Boreans. Before king Celtus, the Celtic people were called Hyperboreans by the ancient '''''greek''''' writers. While Albanians are called Arvanite (pronounced: Arbanite) in Greek. Albanians call themselves Arberesh/ Arbane/Arbene/Arbere depends on the different dialects of the Albanian (Gheg-Tosk dialect).
Arban = Alban, there was a rotation from r to l.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Latin Alba means white in English, while in Celtic the word Alba means a high peak in English.
Linguists say, before people had words for the different colors, they used subjects to refer to the colors. Like e.g. the snow that can only be white. Albanian bore means snow in English. Albanian bore-bordh-bardh mean white in English. Arbore means white land, snowy land. Hyperborea also meant Northern wind in ancient Greek, the northern you go the colder it gets.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 The Albanians were the Arbore/Arbere and the Celts that lived up north, next to the Albanains were the Hyperboreans/ Upper Boreans.
Latin Alba which means white in English and the Celtic Alba which means a high peak in English, derived from the simply white snowy high peaks, mountains.
Albanian means white race, highlander, highlanders are a pale looking people. We have the highlanders of Schotland, UK which are called Albanians as well.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 We have the mountains called the Alps (Albs=Alba) in Central Europe, indeed through Alba Longa in Italy:-) Alba Longa means the long stretched Alba. The European Alps start in Albania (3/4 of Albanians land is mountainous, 'The Albanians Alps'), up north through, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria,Germany,Switzerland, Italy, France, indeed that makes The ALBA LONGA, the long stretched Alba . Don't you get it? Now stop with that attitude. You are acting like a jerk.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@DonJeta0007 Now I have asked you politely to stop. This film has nothing to do with the Albanians and if I have no desire to get into a slugging match with a bunch of Greek and Turkish nationalists then I have even less desire to get in one with an Albanian one. At least they were on topic. From this point on I am ignoring your irrelevant comments. Go troll an Albanian video.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 A stranger is someone you don't know.
xeno (pronounced: kseno) derived from the Albanian sentence: ke(t) se njoh= qe se njoh ( q'se njoh is the short form) which means 'that person I don't know' in English, hence a stranger, a foreigner. Note that the Albanian verb njoh is the English cognate to know. njoh and know do not only mean the same, they are almost pronounced the same way too.
There you go:-) Now why in the world would I belittle the Greeks?
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Ethnicity means people from the same origin, people from a common father/fathers/founder, that’s why babies receive the name of their father. The father is the founder of a family/ of a nation.
Yes of course it means a group of people living together as well, but that's not the etymology of the word, weird though it is what people get to read in etymological dictionaries. Ethnicity deffinately derived from Albanian Ethen (fathers), not from ethnos.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Now let’s see who the Trojans were.
Troy (Hittite language: Wilusa or Truwisa; Greek: Ἴλιον, Ilion, and Τροία, Troia; Latin: Trōia and Īlium.
So Troy was also called Illion/Illium/Wilusa or Truwisa
Just like Albanian, Latin and Greek, Hittite was a Pelasgian dialect, with Albanian the oldest surviving one. That’s why Albanian is the oldest European language, it can be considered as the mother tongue.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01
Hittite: (w) - il - usa --> (w-ill- usa --> ill = illi = illion=illium) or TRU- wisa. Tru is also Albanian which means “Brain” in English.
Trujan/ Trojan means the brainy one:-) because Illion = the knowledgeable= the bright one= the star, the sun, the light = the civilized people
The word civilization is not only a Latin word, it's an Albanian word too. The Etruscans (The first people to inhabit Italy) used to write both ways, from left to right and vice versa.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 The word civiliz is in Albanian still used in both ways, as civiliz as well as zhvillim, which means development, education, evolution, growth. A civilized person is an educated person. Many words are reversed, another example would be the Albanian word kulshedra in Latin it became dracula (from kul-she-dra to dra-kul-a). Another example: Albanian word emen means name in English, emen reversed becomes neme. In English writing it became name (pronounced: neime).
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Latin-Romans already told the world about their origins over 2000 years ago.
"Troianam utramque prolem, cum Lavinium ab Troia, ab Lavinio Alba, ab Albanorum stirpe regum oriundi Romani essent."
By Titus Livius or Livy (59 BCE - 17 CE): Roman historian, author of the authorized version of the history of the Roman republic.
Translation: Both being of Trojan stock: for from Troy came Lavinium, from Lavinium,
Alba, and the Romans were descended from the stock of the Alban kings.
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Stubacca01 Maximilian Lambertz once said: "THE TRUE HISTORY OF MAN KIND WILL BE WRITTEN ONLY WHEN ALBANIANS PARTICIPATE IN IT'S WRITING"
DonJeta0007 10 months ago
@Jimlead And the Indo-European 'invasion' is a lot less simple than that. The Hittites had been in Asia Minor since at least the 1800s. It wasn't one big movement. And just because Greece became Greek through invasion from the east (Still unproven. The Mycenaeans may well have adopted the local language) doesn't mean that Asia Minor did. Asia Minor was colonized by Greeks during the Dark Ages after the Mycenaeans fell. Asia Minor was not Greek before the first millennium BC.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead Mithras was associated with Apollo but also with Helios and other gods. That doesn't make him the same god. The same with Ahura Mazda. The forms of worship and nature of the gods were totally different. Zoroastrians for example worshiped fire while Mithraism was a mystery cult. Neither of these were very similar to Zeus. They just associated them with him because they were perceived as father gods. Some gods were related (Jupiter=Zeus Pater) but most weren't.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead I was talking about the Trojans. They were the ancestors of the Lydians. And the Turks were indeed a nomadic steppe tribe. Though not Mongol as you said earlier. They came west with the Mongols but so did a lot of peoples.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead The list of Trojan gods contain Apaliunas (Apollo?) but also Kaskalkur and one other I can't remember. The last one sounds Mesopotamian to me. It certainly isn't Greek.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead When did I say they were Turks? The Turks weren't around until over 2,000 years later. What they were was most likely Luvian (Who the later Greeks knew as Lydians). This was the only writing in any language found at Troy. The city was established in the 3rd Millenium BC, well before the Mycenaeans showed up. So it's not a proto-Greek city and there's no evidence that it was controlled by Greeks until after its fall.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead You're using an epic poem written hundreds of years later to prove who Bronze Age Trojans worshiped. Without supporting evidence the Iliad cannot be used as a source for the Bronze Age. And how is it relevant that foreign gods were given Greek names by the Greeks? That doesn't show that the they worshiped the same gods, only that the Greeks associated them with theirs. And thank you for explaining that ancient civs worshiped many gods. Good call.
Stubacca01 10 months ago
@Jimlead ??? I would really love to see you prove that. There is very little evidence about what gods the Trojans worshiped. The only information comes from a treaty drawn up with the Hittite king Suppiluliuma which lists three Wilusan gods only one of which bears any resemblance to a Greek god. Kaskalkur certainly doesn't sound Greek to me. And the civilization of Mycenae and Knossos were very different from the ones in Asia Minor.
Stubacca01 11 months ago
@Jimlead The Luvian hieroglyphics were not the same as the Minoan or Mycenaean writings. I don't know where you heard that, but they're completely different.
Stubacca01 11 months ago
@Jimlead Actually they have found Luvian writing in Troy in the form of a seal, and none at all from the Mycenaean Greeks. The Greek writing that comes from Troy came later when the city was refounded by Greek colonists. There was certainly plenty of Greek pottery at Troy, which is to be expected from a trading town, but there isn't nearly enough surviving artwork to make artistic comparisons with other cultures. From the layout of their city they seem to be under strongly Asia Minor influences.
Stubacca01 11 months ago
cool this is interesting !
agr227 11 months ago
Believe me, Troy is equal with Tara(irish legends of the tuatha de danann),Tartessos by Platon,Tarshish in the bible=Tarsos in cilician.
Cilician name in oldegyptian is Quidowadana,land of adana,aden in sumerian(eden of the bible).Land of danay was greece and cilician for 3300 years.Danay was the name for greeks in the iliad.Dinya(world in kurdish),domnach(world in irish-gaelic;spoken down),donja(world in persian),dinga(world in thracian),duniya(world in hindi)../Truwisa(troy),Taruisa(tarsos)
Nassieful 1 year ago
Is it true that the Trojans invented the condum?
Barfsoup 1 year ago
ok ok people look here. Yes greeks are balkan trojans were in Anatolia. if you read the ancient stories of the trojan war you'd realize that Achilles (Greek warrior) was related to Priam(Trojan King) and Hector(Priam's son) and the royal trojan family.
p.s Ajax the Greater himself was related to Achilles. theres a big family hidden from us
nelly1225 1 year ago
You guy's seem to be carrying on with the war that ended in Troy, kiss each other and make up, like the do in Cyprus.
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puppyjeeper 1 year ago
Oh my Good: Troy was Albanian Hahahahahahahaha
Troy = Anatolia = Westcoast of Turkey = Luwian Tribe = Descent of the Hethitians.
Today Anatolians = Turks - this mean, the ancient Troys were also Turks (Anatolians). The Today Turks of Anatolia are genetically descent from the ancient tribes from Holy Anatolia.
You Stupid, Greeks (Myceneans) want to take over Anatolia, but the Anatolian People (Luwians) kicked your ass many times.
Viva Los Turcos
geileSpritzwurst 1 year ago
@geileSpritzwurst erm turks are asiatic related to japonese.. greeks didn't originate from balkans but migrated there.. and Trojan were most defently related to Thracians, Luwians and Hittites, today Hittites are most defently related to Armenians... whereas Thracians are related to Albanian Luwians are believed to be Sea People originally... Sea people also lived in Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia, Albania, and Bulgaria Greeks did not originate from Balkans but Migrated there and toke Pelasgian land
sweet4melody 1 year ago
@geileSpritzwurst,I, we, never insulted your religion and your country nor your ideology. Why do you? You shame everything that has to do with honor. Even if i have different beilifs from you, we both are humen. Also, you should respect as, no matter what happened or not. Lastly, take what i'm saying right now as a friendly advice. Try to read all of the Iliad once. Then come back to me and then you'll understand that what you said is absolutely wrong.
SolidJohn9 1 year ago
@geileSpritzwurst That's just dumb. Today Anatolians = Turks therefore Trojans = Turks. You've got it backwards. Turkey is the name of the country, Anatiolia or Asia Minor is the name of the land area. The Trojans were Anatolian because they lived in Anatolia but they were not Turkish because Turks didn't exist. The Turks are Anatolian because they live in Anatolia, but there were never any Trojan Turks because Troy didn't exist.
Stubacca01 11 months ago
Troyans (Turks) vs. Mycenaen (Greeks)
EastanbulSpecial 1 year ago
@EastanbulSpecial what turks in the antic times? Are you on hashish, you silly turkey? the turkeys came in 14 century to the Greek land of Anadolia. Should be thrown out if you ask me. All the way back to turkmenistan, where you came from.
moniquitus1 1 year ago
@moniquitus1
Greece Land is Greece in Balkan. Anatolia is the Land of Anatolian People: Trojans, Lydians, Lykians, Luwians, Phyrgians, Hittites, Hurrians, Urartu etc.
Greeks are not Anatolian People, the Greeks colonized the West Coast of Anatolia, and the Anatolian People (Turks) kicked the Greeks ass in the 1915 out of Holy Anatolia.
Greeks are Balkan People (Europeans), you are not welcome in (Asia) Anatolia !
EastanbulSpecial 1 year ago
@EastanbulSpecial
But Atakurk Born of Turkish parents Was born in Thessaloniki (Saloniki) Greece. Thus over these past millennia of years and inter racial Loving, you all have the same makeup and are Cousin's, So Kiss and Make up. Ps, lets not forget the Romans!!
Countdamonie 1 year ago
Wrong assumptions from the start. Hettites are not Greeks, so the city is not Troy. The greeks fought the Greeks at the Troy. These historians are just full of hot air. Ready for retirement if they are forgetting that one IMPORTANT detail. And how about the stars that cannot be seen from this turkish "Troy"? Or what eels are in the rivers when eels do not exist in Asia Minor? Troy is simply not there. It is somewhere else.
moniquitus1 1 year ago
@moniquitus1 O_O the greeks fought the greeks? at they troy you dont even make sense...
phuc1598 1 year ago 2
@phuc1598 Kid, just because you have a computer close doesn't make you knowledgeable. Go to school, learn history and be good to your parents, if you have them. Greeks fighting Greeks was a very common occurence. The only other option is that the Greeks fought Illyrians (Troyans), as the actual name of the epic suggests: Illyad. But, it was more likely a Greek colony in the Illyrian lands because Troyans spoke greek, had the greek gods greek names and behaved like Greeks. Troy was not in turkey.
moniquitus1 1 year ago
@phuc1598 He´s an uneducated Greek, idiot. Troy was an anatolian "Luwian" Tribe, the Greeks were from the Balkan (Europe) and want to take over the West Coast of Anatolia (Asia Minor).
The Anatolians today are "Turkish", the Greeks are not belong to "Anatolia". This European Greeks, wish they were "Anatolians" from Asia Minor. But Anatolia ist the Home of Anatolian People, not Greek (Balkanese Europeans).
EastanbulSpecial 1 year ago 4
@EastanbulSpecial WHAT THE FUCK ARE U SAYING |||IM ALBanian !! You turkish your mongols you cam later you never exzicted at that moment you where in the bals of jingkes khan.... Troy was Albanian colony at that thime ( Thos where the dardan folks ho moved from the kosovo region macedonia region to the place in turkij and setled a place a new kingdow The princ His name was AGRON !! .... like that blabla bla
TRANQFORMERS 1 year ago
@TRANQFORMERS
u albanian CAVEMAN, the albanian history is written by the turks, before the turks came to the balkan, you never exzisted ath taht moment you where in the BALLS of SERBS. TROY WAS in Anatolia(LUWIAN TRIBE), the luwians were an ancient tribe from central-anatolia (TURKEY), descent of the hethitians. You Fool, the Turks are descent of the Anatolians (today anatolia is called "The Land of Turks".
geileSpritzwurst 1 year ago
@geileSpritzwurst, so you claim that Troy used to be a turkish colony. Give some proof . Want my proof? The religion of the people of Troy, which is described many time in the Iliad. They praised the same gods as the Greeks did. Also, there is a scene from the Iliad Where a trojan hero and a greek hero are ready to fight, and before the battle they talk about their famillies.they turned out to be relatives. First read, then talk genius.And be sure not to read a turkish copy of the Iliad.
SolidJohn9 1 year ago
@SolidJohn9 Are you using the Iliad as a historical source for the Trojans? You are aware that the book is an epic poem (ie: fiction). Homer could claim the Trojans worshiped whoever they liked and who was gonna prove him wrong? Worse than that the Greeks often associated other gods with their own, such as Zeus Ammon in Egypt. The only thing dumber is that you're arguing whether the Trojans were Greeks or Turks, neither of which existed then. Achaeans or Luvians more like.
Stubacca01 1 year ago
@Stubacca1, you don't know how many people i have met on youtube. You also don't know with how many of them i have quarreled with...Because of that exact fact, i am extremely bored to quarrel with another person as well. So lets make this brief. Look, i am from Greece, so there's no way you can know more things about the Iliad or generally about the Greek mythology than me.Anyway, the Iliad is not a myth, well part of it is indeed, but Hommer based his ''tale'' on real events. e.g the trojan war
SolidJohn9 1 year ago
@SolidJohn So I can't know anything about Greek myths because I'm not Greek? Have you ever read the Iliad in its original Greek, or just a modern Greek translation? At any rate, this isn't about who knows more Greek myths. Even if you could run circles around me it would be irrelevant if there is no truth behind them. I'm fairly liberal when it comes to interpreting myths so I think that there is some fact in them, but that doesn't mean that the vast majority of the Iliad is anything but fiction
Stubacca01 1 year ago
@SolidJohn9 And again, Turkey didn't exist then, nor did Greece. Using the Iliad as proof of it doesn't help since Homer never calls the Greeks (Έλληνες) but Achaeans and Danaans. The Greek colonies in Asia Minor weren't founded till after the Mycenaeans, and the Turks didn't show up in Asia Minor until the 11th Century. And are you talking about Diomedes and Glaucus as the two who were related? Because they weren't. Diomedes' ancestor had hosted Glaucus' so they were bound by guest-friendship.
Stubacca01 1 year ago
@Stubacca01, most of what you are saying is true, and it pleases me a lot that there are lots of people who study and generally are interested in the Greek mythology. But, if you search on wikipedia about the origin of the Greeks, you'll learn that the Danaans where the Greek's ancestors You seem to be a sophisticated person, so I think that you are mature enough to understand that i am not saying all this because i am just a greek..
SolidJohn9 1 year ago
@SolidJohn9 The Danaans were indeed among the Greeks ancestors, along with the Achaeans, Dorians, and (in slightly more modern times) the Slavs. However the Turks were a nomadic steppe tribe that didn't come into Asia Minor until the 12th Century. If you're using Turkey to mean the geographical locations then Asia Minor works better since that is a geographical term. Regardless, the Trojans were neither Greek nor Turkish but Luvian, although they undoubtedly had contact with the Greeks.
Stubacca01 1 year ago
@EastanbulSpecial Greeks did not originate from Balkans but migrated there... before Greeks there were Pelasgians.... Pelasgians lived in Greece, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bulgaria, Albania and Turkey longgggg before the Greeks Turks and Illyrians... we have more links Pelasgians being closer to Thracians than anyother people, Originally Troy was also known as Dardania who were described as SEA PEOPLE
sweet4melody 1 year ago
@EastanbulSpecial aegian coast of turkey and black sea coast(ephesus,miletus,trebizon and more) are ancient greek cities.....then they becaume romans after romans turks come....
shitbomp 1 year ago
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@moniquitus1 the Greeks fought the Greeks at the Troy? you dont even make sense...
phuc1598 1 year ago
I love this type of history :) The Economics and Civics sucks I dont care what our Fathers did ._. I just care about what happened more than 3000 years ago like The Dark bronze and steel age's!!
R16Brian 2 years ago 21
@R16Brian yeah same.
cuddyman2 1 year ago
BBC thanks another great thing... lol i dunno what 2 say u e53tg\sg
Nogrounds 2 years ago