@Jared2324 how is that being cocky u idiot scouts are watching the game at the john lucas camp they wanna see flashy shit it catches their eyes he has skill and he i a great PG what are u doing in life ?
@iiSkillz598 jlove obviously won this one... they're both amazing players but if u watch the vid u see how jerron comes on top. its hard to explain but it is what it is (period).
I aint hatin AT ALL , but ima sophmore PG on varsity , i avg 2 TO's a game , due to passes like these , i mean do kids know they have arms ? they can do that on the next level , but sometimes its not a good decision , coming from a young ass dude.
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@CrazyBallersPB OK i gotta serious beef about a video with Jerron Love being dogged by some white Kid going by the name "NICK". You ever see that video? I mean what was thata bout? I want to hear from Jerron cuz dude got thrown down over a 1-on-1 game with a "Nick" but I don't know how that turned out.
@138Eddie that's a huge load of crap, he does not play true defense, every once in a while he would make a good play out of his defense against our team. i give him probs tho, he could walk all over us on offense, but defense is a completely different ball game dude, how bout you go watch a couple of games before you start rippin on other really skilled kids that could step all over you, no offense jashaun, got big love for you
man i jus want to say i should of got invited to the camp. The reason why is because i got a letter from the owner of AAU sayen they would like me in a book called 'THE best basketball players of AAU' it is for the best AAU athletes in the united states. I jus got the book today and its pre cool. So im jus mad i didnt go to this camp. Any way keep doin what you doin jerron love because all this hard work and skills are gonna pay off in the long run thumbs up
Jerron Love is the most overrated pg prospect ive ever seen he's about 5'4 with shoes on for one and from what ive seen from him in vegas this summer he just can't compete at the next level at this point. His defense is horrible and fouls way to much and his shot doesn't allow him to get it off unless he wide open. He will struggle in high school.
his shot seems to work now at his school and at the camps so i dont see why it wont work in high school, its not like the people contesting his shot is short, everyone who sticks him is taller then him and he still gets it over.
@FuTuReRoYaL its not a team...or a tournament......its the best 7th and 8th graderzz in da country....so dat means its ur own indivual skill....they got invited to that camp
@lol0185 they are not true point guards like jashuan and jashuan has the best work ethic and jerron is just interested in doing showoff moves while jashuan just makes the right passes
@138Eddie All I can say to this is that the NBA has room for all 3 of them....lol...those old timers like Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade wont be there forever...lol
@138Eddie dude jashuan first of all does not do any of these things you see in this video...these kids are waay more advanced and dont have such a basic game like jashaun does. they are jus better.
first off all you haters shut the fuck up if u didnt notice there gaurding each other most of the video so its hard to play good defense second i know a kid class of 2016 named marquise mcduffee that no one knows about wich is a problem because he nice he was just at hoop group elite man and was killing it
marcus lovitt from altadena ca is better than both of these kids i would like to see them both play in a true all star game or camp not one where they have just a handfull of elite kids
@masterlegend10 marcus lovett is ranked #6 on middle school elite justin jenifer is ranked #16 of course jerron love is ranked #1 dont get me wrong both of these guards are very talented and i know they work hard . but marcus has nba range plays better defense than both of them hes more athletic than both he just doesnt have the same promotions as these kids have no fault to him.
when high school basketball starts you we and everybody will see that these grade school rankings mean nothing for some players because there are players that didnt get ranked that are better im just saying real talk
hoop scoop ranked jerron love #50 in updated rankings he was number 1 all through his middle school years because his dad was top man of his web site called middle school elite the correct rankings are at hoop scoop.com check out trier he has grown to 6 foot
Dang! I wanted to see him pass that ball between his legs..on to the next player in real time! they slowed it down, but I was hoping the vid maker would then replay it to real time.
Both of them are very good.. But if I would have to pick one that is better it would jerron because he is a good shooter and I haven't seen Justin shoot soo
jerron love and jashaun agosto look like the onli ones who look like they havent been held back 3 4 tyme s sum of these bois look like dwight howard in the 7th and 8th grade im cummin out the same year as all these boys and theres alot of better people whos just underrated
Lol, if i played shitty D like that I could make anyone look good :P no offense they are still good, but everyone at those camps would get destroyed against teams that play D in HS. I've seen the J lucas camps and the kids there don't play ball. I'm not hating, i'm saying.
@Defenders3235 I'll have to disagree with you on that one.Class of 2015 has alot better point gaurds, shooting gaurds and wing forwards (OVERALL).The Class of 2016 may have the power forward and center advantage.
I should have reclassified my brother Chief Amoah just like these kids parents did. He is playing with the right age and still killing. Both players are good buy can't hold a match next to him. But I do wish these boys the best of luck and remember education first. Use basketball but and don't let it use you.
Jerron Love Reps. New York. Jerron looks like he's battling Justin Jenifer who was the number 1 player in the nation at one time. Now he's battling the number 1 player in the nation on MSE ranking. Good luck Jerron and Justin.
@magic3661 Haha Im going to be a freshman next year and the coach already has a spot for me on the varsity team. I was the leading shot blocker in my aau league and leading scorer on my team. I know a little something about basketball
I think Jerron Love is better but they're both really good.
Deuces97 1 week ago
1:07 cocky much?! why is it necessary to do that instead of making a high percentage pass?
Jared2324 2 weeks ago
@Jared2324 how is that being cocky u idiot scouts are watching the game at the john lucas camp they wanna see flashy shit it catches their eyes he has skill and he i a great PG what are u doing in life ?
teamswagg123 2 weeks ago
@teamswagg123 you're right. every time you pass you should jump up pass it between the legs. cause that's what it takes to get big
Jared2324 2 weeks ago
i love when people comment on fundamentals as if these arent 13 & 14 year olds
turfrunn918 1 month ago
i hve the same shoes as justin jenifer. pretty cool
Bjennings3MVP 1 month ago
look at my cuz
MrHansley23 1 month ago
Look at all the white people
MrWalleyeDude 1 month ago
there both good no one is better than the other
iiSkillz598 1 month ago
@iiSkillz598 jlove obviously won this one... they're both amazing players but if u watch the vid u see how jerron comes on top. its hard to explain but it is what it is (period).
TheUpyobutt 4 weeks ago
The thing about some of these young elite players is that some of them are selfish and the don't really care about defense just offense
emmanuelbasketball 1 month ago
What happend to defense??
iReversaLHD 1 month ago
@1:09 classic Jerron Love~!!!
TubeGuest5178 1 month ago
I aint hatin AT ALL , but ima sophmore PG on varsity , i avg 2 TO's a game , due to passes like these , i mean do kids know they have arms ? they can do that on the next level , but sometimes its not a good decision , coming from a young ass dude.
keyanpinnock14 2 months ago 12
@keyanpinnock14 thats true, but im pretty sure when your a "young ass dudes" your not in high school yet so...
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63Mastermind 2 months ago
Did anybody see the Jerron Love vs. NICK video? that video had me fuming!
TubeGuest5178 2 months ago
its simple. they can't guard eachother
CrazyBallersPB 2 months ago
@CrazyBallersPB OK i gotta serious beef about a video with Jerron Love being dogged by some white Kid going by the name "NICK". You ever see that video? I mean what was thata bout? I want to hear from Jerron cuz dude got thrown down over a 1-on-1 game with a "Nick" but I don't know how that turned out.
TubeGuest5178 2 months ago
@TubeGuest5178 im not trying to be a dick or a smart ass lol. The video i see is that they explode by eachother..its ridiculous
CrazyBallersPB 2 months ago
@138Eddie that's a huge load of crap, he does not play true defense, every once in a while he would make a good play out of his defense against our team. i give him probs tho, he could walk all over us on offense, but defense is a completely different ball game dude, how bout you go watch a couple of games before you start rippin on other really skilled kids that could step all over you, no offense jashaun, got big love for you
lpcb32 2 months ago
Jerron Love = Russel Westbrook
They look and play like each other
lmaostrnoob 2 months ago
@ssharp1995 Yo i was in that book too
swaggerwiththat 2 months ago
The defense just makes these guys look good, it's so horrible at this age.
dasdrifter12 3 months ago
@dasdrifter12 Right.!
SuperRay52 3 months ago
@dasdrifter12 9th grade there better than there peers
djballen5 2 months ago
@djballen5 You start learning defense as soon as you start playing..age is no excuse..
dasdrifter12 2 months ago
have a look
harperville1 3 months ago
man i jus want to say i should of got invited to the camp. The reason why is because i got a letter from the owner of AAU sayen they would like me in a book called 'THE best basketball players of AAU' it is for the best AAU athletes in the united states. I jus got the book today and its pre cool. So im jus mad i didnt go to this camp. Any way keep doin what you doin jerron love because all this hard work and skills are gonna pay off in the long run thumbs up
ssharp1995 3 months ago
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look up billy thomas class of 2016 his first videos arent good but he is the best player in his region
dtownballislife 3 months ago
Lmao why would people dislike this?
JenniroKing 3 months ago
@JenniroKing cuz they haters
B1aCkRa1N5 3 months ago
looks like a black seth hartzell
lazers16 3 months ago
Jashuans good but mad small so he cant do as much
GreekBalla232 3 months ago
Jerron Love is the most overrated pg prospect ive ever seen he's about 5'4 with shoes on for one and from what ive seen from him in vegas this summer he just can't compete at the next level at this point. His defense is horrible and fouls way to much and his shot doesn't allow him to get it off unless he wide open. He will struggle in high school.
BNiCETV 3 months ago
his shot seems to work now at his school and at the camps so i dont see why it wont work in high school, its not like the people contesting his shot is short, everyone who sticks him is taller then him and he still gets it over.
kkrs1018 3 months ago
neither will make pro
circa1970 3 months ago
@circa1970 how do you know?
masterlegend10 3 months ago
@masterlegend10
I've seen better many times
circa1970 3 months ago
@circa1970 alright
masterlegend10 3 months ago
im better than both of them imma post my videos up soon justin jenifer juss has speed over me nd jerron love has better point guard ability
hmm552 3 months ago
1:08 he was just being an ass lmfao
crazylilman7 3 months ago
marcus floyd shit on these guys.
TREV15xPS3 3 months ago
Neither one of them play defense!!
hmm552 4 months ago
jayshaun augosto is 3'ft tall.. thanks alot jayshaun augosto's dad for pushing him so hard when he was 8 months old.. now you stunt his growth
RichieBallin14 4 months ago
i miss me having the top commen...
TheNBArobert 4 months ago
Justin Jenifer's Older then Them . He's Not Really A Middle Schooler Because He Was My Age When I Met Him at Montrose . I Guess He Reclassed ..
jtthomas1234 4 months ago
@jtthomas1234 their both freshmen.. and love is 15 also
paperboy215 4 months ago
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jerron love better i play him n da ohio bash off
TAETAEQB 4 months ago
jerron love better i play him n da ohio bash off
TAETAEQB 4 months ago
hes the next quinn cook
MrNyballer32 4 months ago
does your team have to be good in order to get into a private tournament like this or they have to pick you to play in tournament?
FuTuReRoYaL 5 months ago
@FuTuReRoYaL its not a team...or a tournament......its the best 7th and 8th graderzz in da country....so dat means its ur own indivual skill....they got invited to that camp
SWAGsocitey 4 months ago
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there a 4th grader that mad nasty plays like hes in HS adam ferrari
24nbaking 5 months ago
there a 4th grader that mad nasty plays like hes in HS adam ferrari
24nbaking 5 months ago
their both supposed to be in the 10th grade...lmao
KseRealHoopa2015 6 months ago
Jerron and Justin would poop on jashaun
Jcba11er12 6 months ago
jashuan agosto is better than both of them....he plays defense and is a true point guard
138Eddie 6 months ago 27
@138Eddie shiiidd boy get outa here lmao
Uhrignal 6 months ago
@Uhrignal lol its true
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie hell naw. that is WRONG look at my videos. michael tucker basketball
Uhrignal 6 months ago
@Uhrignal ehh nothing special you're playing against weak competition.If you played where I live you would be a average player.Your okay
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie bull shit
lol0185 6 months ago
@lol0185 its true
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie nahh not really jerron and justin also complete pg they can play D thay are smart with their passes jashuan is good but not better
lol0185 6 months ago
@lol0185 did you not watch the video they play NO defense and if you watch jashuans videos he plays GREAT defense and is a more consistent shooter
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie this must been the only vid you say of them because im pretty sure i see them play D and thy can just flat out score
lol0185 6 months ago
@lol0185 they are not true point guards like jashuan and jashuan has the best work ethic and jerron is just interested in doing showoff moves while jashuan just makes the right passes
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie haha hella no!!! Jerron and Justin would murder Jashaun Agosto. From what i see... they would kill him in 5 v 5 and especially 1 v 1
whtsupniggz 6 months ago
@whtsupniggz if you watched jashuans john lucas video you would see jashuan cause jerron to make like three turnovers
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Eddie is this the only vid you saw of jerron love
lol0185 6 months ago
@lol0185 nope ive seen some of his other vids and jashuan impresses me way more
138Eddie 6 months ago
@138Edjashuan is good but the is not better then jerron
lol0185 6 months ago
@lol0185 whatever jashuan will end up wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than jerron by the time he finishes high school.hes a year below jerron anyway
138Eddie 5 months ago
@138Eddie Ok you think so
lol0185 5 months ago
@138Eddie All I can say to this is that the NBA has room for all 3 of them....lol...those old timers like Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade wont be there forever...lol
TubeGuest5178 5 months ago
@138Eddie hell no, jashaun over rated jerron love is better
gymraturi 5 months ago
@gymraturi jashuan has a good work ethic he will end up way better
138Eddie 5 months ago
@138Eddie dude jashuan agosto is trash.
TheFilipinoPWNstar 5 months ago
@TheFilipinoPWNstar How is he trash?
masterlegend10 5 months ago
@masterlegend10 trash compared to jerron and justin
TheFilipinoPWNstar 5 months ago
@TheFilipinoPWNstar Yeah but I was talking about how is Jashaun Agosto trash not compared to anybody.
masterlegend10 5 months ago
@masterlegend10 hes good i guess comparing him to no one i suppose
TheFilipinoPWNstar 5 months ago
@TheFilipinoPWNstar Yeah that's what I meant.
masterlegend10 5 months ago
@138Eddie this isn't a jashaun video... go show him love on his videos...
305Southbeach 5 months ago 35
@305Southbeach i just wrote 1 comment and everyone got so offended lol
TheMiggy432 5 months ago
@305Southbeach lol
TubeGuest5178 2 months ago
@138Eddie There's room for them all....the NBA is a big place and Europe is even bigger.
TubeGuest5178 4 months ago
@138Eddie He's just short :(. Justin Jenifer is getting a lot of hype because he seems to be growing well and he's a flashy player.
GRiMxSG 4 months ago
@138Eddie WTF! Jerron Love is way better he has a lot more natural talent
awesomevideos126 4 months ago
@awesomevideos126 yeah natural talent jashuan has worked hard though and thats what matters not natural talent
138Eddie 4 months ago
@138Eddie dude jashuan first of all does not do any of these things you see in this video...these kids are waay more advanced and dont have such a basic game like jashaun does. they are jus better.
xXTRIPLEBxX 4 months ago
@xXTRIPLEBxX the only thing that impressed me a little in this vid was at 0:27
138Eddie 3 months ago
@138Eddie and he is way younger
Mr589742316 3 months ago
Let them grow some hair on their chests before you just put them against each other for the rest of their careers
confused0608 6 months ago
shidd jerron love all day i don't even know y u put dat up der
bigamazing1 6 months ago
first off all you haters shut the fuck up if u didnt notice there gaurding each other most of the video so its hard to play good defense second i know a kid class of 2016 named marquise mcduffee that no one knows about wich is a problem because he nice he was just at hoop group elite man and was killing it
swaggerwiththat 6 months ago
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swaggerwiththat 6 months ago
Aint none of them Fukn wit Jashaun Agosto Still n he only in 7yh grade smh
ripliljuan 7 months ago
@ripliljuan lol tht nigga booboo
Uhrignal 6 months ago
@ripliljuan Both of these guys are better than jashaun. Jerron killed him when both of there teams played eachother.
masterlegend10 6 months ago
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JayZilla25 6 months ago
carriesss!! jus sayin watch outt 4 datt in highschool nd in college.. lol... but dat last move jerron did.. I JUSTT LEFTT MY HOUZEE.. lol
graymarcus2 7 months ago
Did anyone see Malik Maitland (class 2015) New York City Gauchos and Nike Team Fl ?/ YOUTUBE.
MBM11100 7 months ago
great offensively. but can be shutdown with some real defense
TooFr3sh4u 7 months ago
@baby66boy1 exactly
Jgreer23 7 months ago
marcus lovitt from altadena ca is better than both of these kids i would like to see them both play in a true all star game or camp not one where they have just a handfull of elite kids
getthismoney245 7 months ago
@getthismoney245 no he's not. Both of these guys are ranked higher than him on any website plus they ranked higher at the john lucas camp.
masterlegend10 7 months ago
@masterlegend10 marcus lovett is ranked #6 on middle school elite justin jenifer is ranked #16 of course jerron love is ranked #1 dont get me wrong both of these guards are very talented and i know they work hard . but marcus has nba range plays better defense than both of them hes more athletic than both he just doesnt have the same promotions as these kids have no fault to him.
getthismoney245 7 months ago
@getthismoney245 ok
masterlegend10 7 months ago
he still cold af though
jerek54 7 months ago
justin got held back
jerek54 7 months ago
@jerek54 Wheere did you get that info from.
masterlegend10 7 months ago
this was good but i didint see any defense, i only seen fast breaks and getting to the lane
leftify 7 months ago
if yall have time pls check my game out in my channel
14 year old 5'6" guard
TheMatthewBlaze 7 months ago
justin is good but ithink jerron has more skill then him but they both r BEAST
TheTamiatv 7 months ago
when high school basketball starts you we and everybody will see that these grade school rankings mean nothing for some players because there are players that didnt get ranked that are better im just saying real talk
baby66boy1 7 months ago
hoop scoop ranked jerron love #50 in updated rankings he was number 1 all through his middle school years because his dad was top man of his web site called middle school elite the correct rankings are at hoop scoop.com check out trier he has grown to 6 foot
baby66boy1 7 months ago
@baby66boy1 He was ranked #10 before the recent rankings came out for mse.com
masterlegend10 7 months ago
i know this kid.....
i played aganst him
i got killed this kid is a BEAST
riprider209 7 months ago
that looks sooo fun!! XDD
TheWadefan123 8 months ago
Justin is really good..
SElite112 8 months ago
Was the name of those shoes Jerron is wearing??
FrEshBoii423 8 months ago
@FrEshBoii423 lebron 8 ps
jsmeezy23 7 months ago
Dang! I wanted to see him pass that ball between his legs..on to the next player in real time! they slowed it down, but I was hoping the vid maker would then replay it to real time.
TubeGuest5178 8 months ago
Both of them are very good.. But if I would have to pick one that is better it would jerron because he is a good shooter and I haven't seen Justin shoot soo
Jgreer23 8 months ago
the defense needs work this is just lazy
Marketingmaximusco 8 months ago
where's the defense this is like one of those fresh prince of bel-air games
TheNBArobert 8 months ago 24
@TheNBArobert LMFAO AHHAHAHA...If you notice no one ever plays D at camps.
tghetto5 8 months ago
@TheNBArobert lol
TubeGuest5178 7 months ago
I'm really feeling Justin jennifer
Babyflintgothops 8 months ago
jerron love is good nd justin jennifer is good but i think jerron is better cuz justin cant shoot
hmm552 8 months ago
jerron love is realer than justin jenifer
Super101Magnum 8 months ago
Justin Jenifer is a boss
GMills1199 8 months ago
jerron love and jashaun agosto look like the onli ones who look like they havent been held back 3 4 tyme s sum of these bois look like dwight howard in the 7th and 8th grade im cummin out the same year as all these boys and theres alot of better people whos just underrated
drealzal 8 months ago
Who do you say is better CityLeagueHoopsTV?
ba11er4l1fe 8 months ago
I hate that they only show the MADE shots so we won't know how good they actually are.
sportsmusic091 8 months ago
can justin shoot>?
atdhe6 8 months ago
ill beat anyone of em in a 1on1 try me imma freshman 5`10 great handles (northwest indiana)
MrJukeman23 8 months ago
@MrJukeman23 stfu
Clutch740 8 months ago
@MrJukeman23 There 8th graders going into 9th so yeah you may be more advance because your older.
masterlegend10 8 months ago
justin is better love overrated big time
baby66boy1 8 months ago
justin is better
baby66boy1 8 months ago
Justin dribbles better but jerron is better all around
Carlis242 8 months ago
Justin is fast
lmaostrnoob 9 months ago
Thumbs Up If Jerron Won This Battle
mlgXkylercutX 9 months ago
@mlgXkylercutX Yeah he did win the battle.
masterlegend10 9 months ago
Lol, if i played shitty D like that I could make anyone look good :P no offense they are still good, but everyone at those camps would get destroyed against teams that play D in HS. I've seen the J lucas camps and the kids there don't play ball. I'm not hating, i'm saying.
wafflesnfrenchtoast 9 months ago
they're not gonna play high school ball if they cant play defense lol
TheFilipinoPWNstar 9 months ago 3
@TheFilipinoPWNstar just shut the fuck up.
mofethegreat 7 months ago
Jerron Better Shooter, Passer, Ballhandler, and higher Basketball IQ
"IMO"
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Top 12 7th graders on one team would beat top 12 8th
Defenders3235 9 months ago
Top 12 7th graders on one team would beat top 12 8th
Defenders3235 9 months ago
@Defenders3235 I'll have to disagree with you on that one.Class of 2015 has alot better point gaurds, shooting gaurds and wing forwards (OVERALL).The Class of 2016 may have the power forward and center advantage.
masterlegend10 9 months ago
It's crazy how good these kids are for their age.
LaughingHyena007 9 months ago
It's very easy to do these things when there is no real defense...
crojoksa 9 months ago 2
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lil8688 9 months ago
@lil8688 look man, i'm not saying that they are bad or something like that, i'm just saying that there is no good defense.
p.s. they are great on offense
crojoksa 9 months ago
That last past by Jeron was incredible !
SElite112 9 months ago
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jlovestudentathlete 9 months ago
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jlovestudentathlete 9 months ago
why do u put normal kids up here? i've seen school teams way better than this in my league
ruldahul 9 months ago
and how do yu go to these camps ?
teespiice299 9 months ago
I should have reclassified my brother Chief Amoah just like these kids parents did. He is playing with the right age and still killing. Both players are good buy can't hold a match next to him. But I do wish these boys the best of luck and remember education first. Use basketball but and don't let it use you.
gyamfi26 9 months ago
Jerron Love Reps. New York. Jerron looks like he's battling Justin Jenifer who was the number 1 player in the nation at one time. Now he's battling the number 1 player in the nation on MSE ranking. Good luck Jerron and Justin.
ShaGodMoney 9 months ago
Im in 8th grade and I can dunk, and Im white
uno1industries 9 months ago
@uno1industries
good 4 you.
LiLBasketBaller 9 months ago
@uno1industries
so what if u can dunk i bet u dont understand game
magic3661 9 months ago
@magic3661 Haha Im going to be a freshman next year and the coach already has a spot for me on the varsity team. I was the leading shot blocker in my aau league and leading scorer on my team. I know a little something about basketball
uno1industries 9 months ago
@uno1industries hoope to see u in future ballin many are called but few are chosen
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