Poker Tournament Strategy

[Da1337DoOD]

If I were u I would push even ATs without thinking. Thank god you made all those clips, so I can see the flaws in my game :)

[IPushHard]

I think shoving is an option there Marty, but certainly the texture of the opponents should come into play in a move like that. Especially at a final table when 1st, 4th and 9th are a big difference in payout.

I would have raised 2.5 or LIMPED... yes its possible.

As you said, you had no information about the BB, and they are the one that bumped you.

I probably would have raised the button and taken a flop.

If re-raised, I may have folded AJ due to lack of information on who I was up against.

[pokergold11]

knife made a donk play going all in with out a confirmed top pair.

[martysparty2042]

I would make a normal 2.5 or 3x raise here. Hope to take it down with a continuation bet on the flop.

[K1ngkawe]

no i agree it was the right play, in the big mtts u are doin it alot wen the blinds are high. he just got called by a good hand. u win some u lose some.

[jeff9487]

phill hellmuth said he always likes to have chips lying around thats the same with me, when im called i usually no when im beat and when im ahead, if i was you and i did that id no im beat a second before the cards were turned over and the blinds are either sitting ducks or with qq they become big traps and when your not getting cards for an hour or longer it seems like youll get 4 hands in a row and if the 3or4 ones best your going to take someone out they just never believe it......

[jeff9487]

i just subed to you ive been watching you on youtube for months now and no i dont think you should have pushed but thats just me i think they were probably expecting you to have a good hand is why one of them folded and the other called and they were probably only going to call you if they were sure they had you beat thats why but maybe your right and you probably could have folded alot of hands to make it to a better one also but im just a diffrent player though............

[mprinosil]

isnt it like unfair to use this program ????

[grishka85]

u have to put urself in the situation of blinds, everybody folded to the button, and button shoves, me, holding QQ on bb, it looks like a STEAL, so it is VERY easy call with qq, even JJ or TT. May b it was a bit wrong to shove, because u letting them (to blinds) know that u stealing..... "Hey guys, please fold, I am just stealing ! " But it's easy 4 all of us to judge after the hand is over...

[wisepopcorn]

With antes already in the middle, I think a shove is correct. You have a pretty awkward stack for raise/folding your hand, especially one as strong as AJ.

[AleWe]

Unlucky there..

[Livenderrr]

Raise 40K + fold and still have 200K chips left.... was a 1000000x better option...

[Putheticyou]

Worst advice ever.

[zomett]

you never want to open fold with 14 big blinds on the button with that hand.

[zomett]

I would shove the AJ at this spot everytime. Easy shove. Just got unlucky.

[iroyaliflush]

good play, bad luck

[f8twista]

god i hate results oriented freaks. this is a trivial shove

[dlperrio]

I would opt to make a 2.75x raise here and fold to a reraise. Cause your stack is too big to just shove(14 big blinds). I think you can safely fold if you get reraised. I don't think you ever get bluffed in this spot at a final table of a large MTT. Most of the players at this table were prolly just trying to move up in the money and wouldn't make a play so early on at a final table.If I were at 10 big blinds or less I would for sure shove. Not that I think your play is bad, its marginal.

[TurtleKnife]

Cool.

[iiiml0sto1]

How can i get that program please someone respond :) and is it okay too use a 3rd party program ? i mean is it aginst the rules too use a program like that online on etc full tilt ? well im doing fine without well.. i could do betther.. i began too see progress and profit after 7 months of playing.. anyone there can help ? or have some advice for a verry young poker player that take poker VERRY serious :)

[TurtleKnife]

If you watch the end of the video, the website mentioned has a contact page.

[iiiml0sto1]

Okay sorry i just lost my whole bank roll soo w/e :/ .. ever since i lost a-a vs a-k and a-j ``they hit the straight`` ... ive lost and lost :( and i study and study and study poker :( and eveything is really good.. but suddentlig i lose everything i won and im not even going up blinds :s im keeping the bankroll.. i just dont get it :s i really wanna keep my bankroll and be a winning player in the long run :s and i know alot aboudt poker :s im ``good`` not pro at all but good..

[laneledge]

Always ship it.Thats such a profitable shove its unreal.

[kingrando]

So, to the people saying 3 or 4 bet it, then fold... well I don't think he would have much of his stack left to play with.

His CSI is 5.7 if I am correct (just learning this stuff), and I am pretty sure it's either fold or shove.

Love your vids turtleknife.

[mikeha]

I agree with the move as well, 99% of the time it'll work out, as the blinds will have trash cards a lot of the time.

[DeluxeGoldTop]

I agree with the move. You want to target the middle stacks in this situation, because they are the least likely to play back at you.

If you make a standard raise, and he plays back, I dont think you can fold anyways. So it makes sense to me to put them to the decision.

Unfortunately, the BB woke up with a hand.

[frankiedetorie]

Solid play.

[FreshPoker]

On second thought, however, I really don't see anything wrong with the play. Well done in the tourney and good luck in 2010.

[FreshPoker]

Tough break Marty. What I think I would've done differently is instead of shoving, I would've raised to 2.5BB. The reason being is that firstly there is a significantly good chance that your opponents will fold due to positioning and unwillingness to risk a significant part of their stack at this stage. Secondly, if you get re-raised, it's pretty easy to assume your behind and fold, knowing full well that you will still have a healthy stack going and will be still in the tournament as a result

[geniusjas87]

Thats an obvious shove there no doubt against 2 random hands.. just sucks that he had queens.. does anyone else notice tho that when you're deep in tournaments you get a lot of cooler hands like AK vs AQ AA vs KK/QQ..

[snowbored84]

I would have raised from somewhere between 2-4x the bb just to test the waters, then fold if he pushed.

[Kroder]

I agree with most here, you made the right move, just got unlucky. Still $300 is better than 0$ in my book. :)

[pokerfan2202]

It's an easy push,no way how you could fold it.

Good vid ;)

[Alpha1Bravo1Charlie1]

Man i was watching this, I groaned when the guy showed queens.

[ChadTomer]

Folding AJ on the button looks a little too tight. It's not like your're playing a qualifier where 8 players qualify. It just so happened that a smaller bet would have left you nearly pot-committed, so you were essentially forced to go all the way if you decided to play the hand.

[puretroubleman]

the only reason to fold this hand given your stack size is if someone has an M of about 1 or less. maybe 1.5

[texikalislim]

I would have done the same your stack was at the point were you needed those blinds and antes this play would have worked 9 out of 10 times just bad luck

[qpwnsall]

raise to 39,549 then fold when he comes over the top.

[jskillz206]

u played it right...just unfortunate u ran into QQ..FullTilt set u up.thats it.

[froog1988]

this is a definite shove. simple fact there was only 2 people to go after you and you were unfortunate to walk into a hand like that.

[Putheticyou]

anyone who says anything other than shove is retarded.

Dont listen to anyone turtle knife , this is obviously the right play.

Anyone who says raise or wtv is a complete -ev player and i bet their stats prove it.

[curt2418]

@Putheticyou pretty much but not enitrly, shove like 80% of the time unless u have a very aggro blind who u expect will fold or shove into, in which case u could make a tin re-raise to give him a false sense of fold equity and when he shoves u in or raises u snap get ur chips in here

[Putheticyou]

@curt2418 You have AJ off suit.. You dont have AA.. you dont want them to call here. Your objective is to shove and pick up the blinds .. If someone calls , you arent in bad shape since most of the time you have a 30% chance of ur dominated or you could be flipping etc..

There s no reason to raise and WANT action.. it s stupid.

Once again , anything other than a shove is completly retarded.

[curt2418]

@Putheticyou im not saying i dont shove here, i shove 100% of the time UNLESS, i know the SB or BB are agro enough to shove if i make a raise preflop, which u WANT with this hand u have AJ o nthe button they should be reshoving a wide range and they would be correct, a range in which u have crushed, i shove majority as well but with that said a raise can be +ev unless expect them to donk flat then u want to always shove

[Putheticyou]

@curt2418 Your goal is to steal the blinds , not get reshoved by a garbage hand and end up racing for your tournament life.

If you knew anything about poker , you d shut up.. I bet most of you that are saying he shouldnt have shoved have awful stats.

[curt2418]

@Putheticyou lol im sorry sir but what u just said did not make sesne lol, with 15ish BB on the button if u can small bet and know the blinds are shoving in with garbage to which u can assume a high % of the time, and u most likely will be 50/50 at worst.. this is a clear spot to WANT to get it in, lol i will take Ajo against his range any day, and if i shove im happy if he calls and im happy if he folds... ur thought process here if u say it is a shove and only a shove everytime is flawed,

[Putheticyou]

@curt2418

Really? You want to race for your life tournament with AJo? LOL.

He s shoving to increase his stack by 18% so when the next level is , he still has some fold equity. He s slowly grinding his stack instead, this is NO time to try and race for your tournament life , like he said , 9th and 1st has a huge difference. You re so clueless.

May i know your stats?

Im zebest_666 on pokerstars.

[curt2418]

@Putheticyou check my stats urself if u want the m Curt2418 on PS and curt1824 on FT, look man like i said at first im shoving this hand 80% of time, tiny raise and getting it in here 20%, never folding, i ONLY tiny raise here when i have some aggro guys in the blind who i'm CONFIDENT will reshove preflop, possibly with a hand, but most likely hoping i fold, and YES im willing to risk my tourny life with AJo on the button vs blinds anyday of the week when im sitting on 15bbs.

[Putheticyou]

Lol @ your stats.

Play some big boy tournaments and one day youll understand why only raising with AJ here is retarded.

[curt2418]

@Putheticyou yea my 70% and 83% ROI is so funny lol dont worry i wont mention urs haha man its unfortunate ur so straight forward an not capable of thinking off that straight line lol, and this u dont wanna race for ur tourny life garbage needs to be fixed lol u will have their re-shove range here crushed with AJ and u wont take a 50/50 orr 60/40 in ur fav.. u wont go far... get off the Phil Helmuth nit box train, the guy is a donk, u have your opinion, and i have mine gl to u at the tables sir

[Putheticyou]

Lol at your ROI s..

You play 1$ games where people overshove A5 off suit for 100 bb s just because it s an ace.

GTFO , you have no clue wtf you re getting into.

I ve showed this hand to Qckimo ( on stars ) and Crackhaad ( on stars ) and they both say it s an instant shove no matter what.

When you beat their stats, your opinion will be valued , so for now.. Stfu , Gtfo.

Turtle made the right move.

[Keenen420]

i dunno, i dont think my opinion should be valued really but, something just seems wrong about trying to pick up 10% more chips by wagering everything, yes he ran into a big hand, but, you gotta figure you will if you keep doing it... i know it will give you a better win % in the long run though so i guess thats all that matters, maybe contemplate a small raise when you play against quality players not internet donks,

[hal2342]

@Putheticyou you have to show people on forums to come up with an opinion? you must be a great poker player.

[Putheticyou]

I know them both in real life you idiot lmao.

Me and Kimo are from the same city while i have played many times with Crackhaad.

[hal2342]

@Putheticyou haha how does it make a difference if you know them or not? You still had to ask them lol. nice way to wreck yourself, what a retarded comment.

[Putheticyou]

Wreck my self?

I asked 2 world class players that make a living off poker and they both agreed with exactly what i said. I also am a poker player and i do my best to get better daily. Listening to opinions from great players makes me better.

So fill me in on how im wrecking my self.. Lmao.

[hal2342]

@Putheticyou Already explained that. your calling people idiots but then your announcing your opinion is just straight from the mouth of someone else. makes you sound like a tool.

[Putheticyou]

I have my own opinion and i clearly showed what it is.

I then proved that i am more likely to be right since 2 world class players agree with me.

FYI i just came off a 5600$ score , 2nd in 5$r , what have you done?

[hal2342]

@Putheticyou why not just say it like that then? Instead of saying "GTFO you a dickhead for having a diff opinion blah blah blah." Don't state tournament results as a comeback not a good look.

[Putheticyou]

@hal2342 You really dont get it do you ? lol.

First of all , poker results prove that i know what im talking about. I won the 33$ 15k on saturday as well.

Raise/folding in this situation is completly retarded and -EV . I am stating an opinion but i am also enforcing the truth. AJ is ALWAYS a shove there. If you do the math calculations , you ll know that.

[hal2342]

@Putheticyou listing tournament results as justification is never a good look. did i ever say shoving was not the right play? just commented that you sound like a tosser the way you were speaking. try read posts correctly next time.

[Putheticyou]

im a tosser for saying the right thing..

good one

[bhrgero]

good push, no question about it.

[BadAssBootie]

Please raise the volume Marty.

I listen on a laptop with earphones and the volume is too low. I don't disagree with your move.

Just not my way unless I'm in a rush. Or have established strong presence on the clowns....lol.

Have fun, great videos too.

[TurtleKnife]

My bad w/ the volume, sorry.

[BadAssBootie]

In that hand I would have raised 50k, watch the call, see flop, checked, folded to any good raise on flop, raised myself if still in on turn, and fold if re-raised, then check the river. if the blinds were weak to start they would fold to any decent raise, this way I live a little longer and learn more about the players.

[curt2418]

standard shove

[Bulletproofshirts]

pretty standard solid move. Absent any other information, I don't see how anybody could say that was a bad play.

Yeah the BB woke up with a hand, but I think in that situation, with the info you had, its a positive EV play.

[krazyazn208]

@Bulletproofshirts what does EV mean?

[Bulletproofshirts]

it means expected value

[ruggedd]

@krazyazn208 expected value

[tryss]

i woulda just called.

[Pich23]

i know i know =) i'm italian hehe =)

so turtleknife your italian too or what?

[Pich23]

you just got unlucky... anyway I have a question for you. at the end of video what do you say? it's "ciao" or what? it seems like italian.. I hear it in all of your videos..

[GGRSC]

it means bye