poor mark...he just might have come the the reality that he is wrong about his belief in Christianity but can't admit it. what a sad state to be in. Mark is probably still in a daze a year after this conversation. Religion IS poison.
poor mark...he just might have come the the reality that he is wrong about his belief in Christianity but can't admit it. what a sad state to be in. Mark is probably still in a daze a year after this conversation. Religion IS poison.
Matt's point around 7:50 actually has a very important side to it, namely that Christians make an unverifiable proposition: The reality of Jesus's miracles. The thing about unverifiable propositions is that they create unfalsifiable negations. Since there is no realistic piece of evidence that would convince me that Jesus was resurrected, some theists would fault me for holding an unfalsifiable belief. However, it's *their fault* for proposing something unverifiable, not mine for rejecting it.
@MrPeppa11 Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack thereof. As for your 2nd sentence well...you don't really converse about these things much do you? Lol.
@ISMASHYOUBRO Atheism is the belief there is no God. you do believe there is NO God right??? That's what your religion is based on (Believing there is no God) or (believing the concept of a God is false, a lie, or illogical) If I'm wrong then you believe there is a God...
And yes, I converse a lot about this subject. why? You have no answer for," If the Bible is wrong on creation, how?"
@MrPeppa11 Atheism is not a belief, it is a conclusion that there is no god, or gods.
The bible is nothing more than ancient literature in the category of fiction -- a very poor fiction at that. It's wrong on nearly everything it has to say in respect to what we have since learned about our world and the universe. The authors of all the many books that were much later combined to form the bible are unknown. You suffer an indoctrinated delusion, now grow the fuck up & deal with it!
Jeff is a bit of an idiot here. "What's wrong with you? Why do you want to believe.." (that they'll go to hell etc). What's "wrong" with him is that he believes his bible and is a good Christian and no, he doesn't "want" to believe, he just does. You could flip this around - What's wrong with you Jeff? Why don't you want to believe in Jesus? Doesn't make sense to be offended at someone's beliefs in that way.
@bigglyguy If someone walked up to you and told you that you deserved to be tied up and tortured for ten years because you drink beer, and seriously meant it, would you be offended?
@akromata I'd be extremely concerned, and would weigh up their size and likely martial abilities, but not offended per se. Not if I already knew, as Jeff does, their beliefs on such matters. Put it this way - What's wrong with you, wanting to believe the Earth is round? Why are you such an asshole? See how that doesn't really make sense? Believing what you believe isn't a moral position because belief is NOT a choice that you make. Nobody thinks there is no god but decides to believe it anyway
@bigglyguy Seriously? If a respectably-dressed businessman walked up to your wife, or your children, and smilingly told them they deserved to be tortured in a basement for ten years because of a moral failing or something they said, you wouldn't be offended? Because remember, these people say that you and your family deserve to be tortured FOREVER.
@dopeasfuckk Maybe cos, ppl don't realize how disgusting it is to have subscribed to a community that is perfectly okay with torturing all non-believers and ppl who belong to other faith, for ever and ever. Its like someone being a part of a community that thinks that child molestation is a-okay and not realizing how disgusting it is.
If anyone thinks that ppl deserved to be tortured for ever & ever in fire and smoke for petty things like not believing, they are so muddled in their thinking.
I watched this video many times, it never gets old! And that epic answer by Matt changed the way I discuss this issue with others. One of the best videos for this show!
what this people don't understand is that even if god existed, we wouldn't follow him anyway....hes a fucking monster, he has over 2 million confirmed victims on his hands. a lot of them were innocent, even tough hitler existed that doesen´'t mean Im gonna follow that monster.
Im born again but i must agree on somethings the non believers here are smarter then my fellow brothers... fellas its about love.. love God and love your fellow man thats it!!!
@thelumberjackjohn Actually, it's about an old war god who kills and orders the killings of thousands of people, then says, screw it, I'll go down there and let them kill me, and then if they believe that's true they can go to a new earth with me for 1000 years, when i will then let Satan back out, and then put even more people along with him into permanent torture forever in my 3rd and final kingdom. It's just silly bud!
@Sveccha93 Ya he ordered the killing of people because they were evil beyond help that's in the old testament. the fact that we sin and Jesus gave his life to take place of the sin is not crazy makes sense to me. as far as the other stuff you said it just sounds like your angry cuss it doesnt make sense to me either. the message is redemption for are sins thru grace and belief in Christ anything else ill happy to talk in more detail thru a general question. it just seems like more of a rant
@thelumberjackjohn Some of the people he ordered killed were babies, children and even animals. He wrote laws that make rape victims marry their rapist. Everything I said is straight from the bible. I've read it an all three original languages....can't you at least read it once in English? I'm angry that people like you think it's real because you could be living a normal life being open and friendly to the world around you, instead of in dread that people are going to be tortured for not buying
@Sveccha93 he didnt kill babies it was children because they were already contaminated everything had to be exterminated even the animals were beyond saving.. iv read that as far as the laws that make rape victims marry their rapist can you provide scripture? that im not aware of. As far as the torture in the world why would a real christian torture someone? the christians around the world are being killed. As far as this country are biggest problem is cults that are teaching false doctrine
@Sveccha93 ok so i found the scripture you are talking about and you are taking it out of context Deuteronomy 22:25-29.. read the whole thing at first it starts out saying if a man rapes a women he shall be put to death then he says if they are found together and she is a virgin he has to marry her..
@Sveccha93 I heard a renowned archaeologist once related that at one time he had rejected the God of the Old Testament who would order Israel to slaughter the nations around her. Then he became an archeologist and began to dig up the relics of their culture and religion. When he became aware of the horrible, perverted, atrocious acts they committed, many involving children, he then wondered "why God waited as long as He did."
and a little note on my defense of Halfturretslicer...I am not arguing that the logic is wrong or anything like that...merely that there are legitimate issues with any sort of belief (be they founded on evidence or a lack thereof). I, personally am an unaffiliated theist, however my theism is based on optimism and logic, and my view of "god" is merely that he/she/it/they exist(s). I would not claim that any religious text has an absolute claim, though the ones I've read have positives too.
Ok so noting that a lot of people are having a knee-jerk reaction to Halfturretslicer, I want to note that he has a valid point. Him using logic to point a flaw in logic is perfectly reasonable, just as many people use the bible to prove the bible wrong. That does not mean that logic is wrong, merely that it requires accepting a certain point of view to accept its conclusions. Accepting logic is a necessary step to using it, which means that some form of "faith" is required, even with evidence.
@noblubber Logic is a prior to any coherent communication or thought. Including the very first word of anything uttered with intention. His argument would be better if it was "we can't ascertain logic without a fixed reference point provided by a creator". In other words, you either accept all the consequences of logic, or you discard it entirely.
That explains these guys perfectly. Southern baptists teach Lordship Salvation and Pentecostals teach salvific loss. Neither present a clear plan of salvation which explains that these atheists were never saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. John 6:47.
No one understands the message according to the individual christians or muslim, that is the problem - your god have no communicating skills - obviously because it does not excist. Christianity is being pushed more and more in the direction of fundamentalism.
God is love. Thats it. The caller obviously does not understand jesus' message or christianity at all. It's sad that this is the name and face christianity has come to represent, it makes anyone who believes in something greater than themselves, whatever you may choose to call it, a zealot who persecutes those who believe differently. NOT what jesus meant. so unfortunate.
I would say most Atheists hold a self-contradictory idealogy because they say things require scientific proof"for us to believe in them. But then Atheists like all people accept logic; logic has not been scientifically proven. Every argument an Atheist makes is based on logic, which has not been proven. Aesthetics, mathematics, the reality of the external world, emotions, etc. have not been scientifically proven to be true and yet even Atheists believe in them. Self-contradictory beliefs.
@Halfturretslicer Undermining all of Aristotle's work on logic, are we now? Logic is a tool we use to determine reality. How do we know logic works? It's the same reason we know science works. Because it's testable and has consistently worked
@hobbit2245 I undermine anyone's "work" on logic because applying logic in the quest to prove logic itself is circular reasoning. To use science to prove logic would be circular reasoning as well since science presupposes logic as true.
@Halfturretslicer Are you serious? Are you trying to say you disagree with the idea of science and logic? That the facts of the world are "circular" reasoning? How do you think our species got to the point that it allows you to write your retarded thoughts on YouTube?
@Halfturretslicer So are you implying that we are incapable of determining fact from fiction? Logic has worked so far. Unless you propose an alternative, it seems that logic will remain the standard.
@hobbit2245 Personally, I believe that logic is a tool for unlocking reality. The point I have been trying to make is that belief in science and logic is inconsistent with an idealogy of scientism, that is, the view that something should only be believed in if it has been scientifically proven, since faith is required to believe in logic; any "proof" of logic necessitates the application of logic itself and thus violates one of its own principles.
@Halfturretslicer I suppose you could call that faith, but I call it using the best tool that we have. I don't have faith that a hammer with drive in nails, I know it will.
@DJ100101 Logic is based on science...? No, that's simply not the case. In fact, science is based, in part, on logic. Logic was around long, long before science.
@Halfturretslicer No...logic is based on science. Nobody went "Hey...the Earth doesn't revolve around the sun..." There was an idea and then using science then came the basis of logic. You are now considered illogical and retarded if you believe in a geocentric model of the universe.
@DJ100101 You're confusing logic ontology with the ability to discern what is logical and what is illogical. Moreover, discerning between what is logical and what is illogical can easily be demonstrated without science. For example, 2+2=4 is logical, whereas to say that a stop sign is shaped like a hexagon is illogical.
Science is based in part on logic, it presupposes logic without proof. Science trying to prove logic would be reasoning in a circle.
@DJ100101 Science would not be able to function without logic because the plethora of evidence could not be interpreted and a logical conclusion to what the evidence is indicating could not be made. For example, evolutionary theory has developed as a result of a conglomerate of evidence. The conclusion that we all must have branched off from a primordial ancestor could not be made without logic.
@Halfturretslicer Neither of them can function without the other. Without science we would still think that those who believe the Earth is flat would still be considered correct while those who say round are babbling morons. While I agree you made some valid point; I just saw a mockery of whatever comments and wanted to try out a new priest joke. And as for the evolution thing, science found that we must have branched off and used logic to come up with the theory.
so, if you're not a christian, you are automatically 'of the devil' and you want to bring people to hell
if you are a chrisitan, then you are 'of god', and want to bring people to heaven
outside of a role reversal, I see the exact same behaviour on both sides. the only difference is because it's a 'religion' that is not the same as your own. christians gotta grow up and realize the stupidity of the 'us vs them' scenario they believe in
Many Christians LOVE to feel superior and self-righteous, which is why they love to tell others they are going to hell. Frankly, just listening to Mark's voice makes my GAYDAR go bonkers. (I am gay, former christian, bible college graduate: I have experience with gays hiding in church.)
I suspect christians are fascinated with this program (and watch it in private, in dark rooms where they masturbate in shame).
that's the whole point. it's a bunch of pitiful humans with a lack of meaning and value in their actual lives creating this 'paradise' so they can brag about how great it will be to people they think will never get there. it tickles their ego and gives them a sense of a validated existence
it is known the first christians were societal outcasts and frustrated civil servants. they created jesus to say 'i know life is horrible, but I am loved and have a paradise - and you are not'
Wow. This the arguments presented here are very cogent and clearly stated. I also have had serious problems with family members just because I didn't believe the earth was 6,000 years old. One of my grandfathers almost hit me in the face just for suggesting that that wasn't true.
@bugzilla2001 Just as Jesus would do.... Im guessing your American? America is pretty much the only developed nation where such stupidity is still common.
@bugzilla2001 Challenging anything that props-up christianity threatens the entire structure: it's a very fragile construct. Sorry you are having difficulty conversing honestly with your family.
@62Elvis It's been proven hundreds of times. Atheists know more about all religions especially christianity (the bible included) than those that are theists. I can give you many links. More often than not atheists are recovering theists too. On the journey of becoming non-believers they go to great lengths to learn the details.
@62Elvis you should look up the skeptics annotated bible, they have plenty of examples of contradictions that you can read. afterwards if you think they're lying you can just go check your bible
@utube2344 the Bible doesnt require any extra evidence or writings. its self-proving & self confirming. learn the facts before writing stupid stuff son!
@62Elvis Ya there are no facts your only evidence is "I believe this because this book says to believe it and my evidence is that the book says its true." That's not evidence. Harry Potter could say "this book is true and Godlike" does that make it true? Why do you accept what a book says simply because it was written? Poor critical thinking skills you have.
you need to learn how to recognize trolls. that request for forgiveness was completely insincere. i would never ask for forgiveness from someone like you.
@youthank8 I always forgive - even while people are still doing the things they do without thinking. Just do something for me,try to change your life and not speak in such a way. How people talk is a reflection of who they are. It is all about disciplining ourselves. First we say wrong words when we are mad and then the next thing you know it is used in our everyday language. Better to stop it before it gets out of hand.WE should live as an example to others.Let them copy GOOD.
If these people knew what hell was like - they would be turning as fast as they could. Read the book Divine Revelation of Hell and 7 Colombian Youths in Hell at spiritlessons. Atheists put out false information and teach correctly only to satisfy their own ways.
It sounds delusional and I know that. But that doesn't change how i feel about it. Its right for me I like believing in what I believe. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down someones throat. Athiest's I think are trying to make a better place for humanity. I love what I believe and I love nature and the tradition that I take part in. I guess I'm delusional and logical but im happy where I am. I just hope in the future we can have religious freedom and Athiest won't be put down for logic.
Its kinda werid for me... I love hearing these guys because I love logic and science. I like backing up my beliefs. But I'm not an Atheist I'm a Wiccan. I would say most of my religion is earth based. I believe in evolution and i believe I came from the earth. However I do not have any evidence that The God and Goddess are real. They might not be real. But that doesn't change what I believe. I see nothing wrong with believing in something that hasn't been proven or may never be proven.
@youthank8 If you talk this way to people - it is a wonder you are still alive. REMOVE YOUR COMMENT. If you started losing all your money if you did not remove the comment - I imagine you would pretty quickly. REMOVE IT NOW. Some people don't tolerate such filth as what you talk.
@neoman121 When you live for God you have to go strictly by the bible and the bible mentions many times about Hell and Our Lord Jesus Christ taught about it. Any people that teach differently will be subject to severe judgment. Revelation 22:18 - do not add or take away anything from the bible.
@Skyheartstar777 You know what's funny? The bible has been edited SO many times, put through SO many translations, that the bible's that we have today that are not the first bibles THEMSELVES, will always take away or add stuff, but that really doesn't matter, because there is not a single religious person (at least to my knowledge) that really believes everything in the bible, so given that there is nobody (again, to my knowledge)
@Skyheartstar777 that actually practices the whole bible, then why should it stay the exact same anyway? people take what they want to hear from the bible and throws out the rest. Now, something I would like you to know before you comment, is that I do believe in God, but I am smart enough to question things, and to be able to rationalize and find answers that are true,
@Skyheartstar777 now, even if I am wrong, would God punish me for following what I believe is true? I don't believe so, and also, if God can literally do ANYTHING, then it would be so mean IMO to have hell, he could EASILY just create an alternate reality where there is literally *nothing* no consciousness or anything, none existence.
@Skyheartstar777 Now, that is the same exact thing that Atheists believe that is what happens when we die anyway, so really, if God is truly just and capable of anything, why would he make anyone suffer FOREVER? Please do understand that I do believe in God, all tho I do believe that we don't exactly agree on *who* God is, but, please ask yourself, WHY do you believe what you believe? is it based on what PEOPLE have told you? or on YOUR OWN personal experience AND research!
@neoman121 Revelation 22:18 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
@Skyheartstar777 But there are books/religions that claim if your Christian your going to hell! How can anyone know what religion is true and which one they should go to? even if there was ONLY 2, and each one said if your going to be in the other religion or in any religion that is not THIS ONE, then you've got a paradox. Because no matter what you do, you will not be able to absolutely know which one is true or not, so your taking a 50-50% gamble on going to heaven or hell,
@Skyheartstar777 and that's if one of those is the right one, and what are the chances of that? There are THOUSANDS of regions, so if only one can be right, then God must love wasting his time creating people and only having a fraction of 1% (probably) even have a chance to get into heaven. I'm still researching allot, and I'm trying to figure out how many religions actually say if you
@Skyheartstar777 don't believe in THIS ONE your going to hell, now, based on that alone, I can say if there are only a few hundred out of the many thousands, and I would look at those and see when they were invented, and you could logically conclude that oldest one would probably be the safest bet to take. But as of right now, I think I'm headed towards being somewhat Buddhist,
@Skyheartstar777 I believe that God wants us to USE THE TOOLS HE GAVE US, to find our own little piece of truth, there is no absolute truth, only a journey towards it, thanks for reading. :)
@neoman121 God is sacred and holy. He is the Creator of EVERYTHING. We are to go to Him in prayer to learn things, not create them on our own. Jeremiah 33:3 - 3 ‘Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.’ The bible warns of false prophets and teachers and anyone who talks away His children by wrong teaching. You go by the bible. Sure you can increase your own morals/values/integrity/dignity and discipline yourself, but God is FIRST
@neoman121 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment " 1Tim (6:17)
@Skyheartstar777 No offence, but you do realize that just because the bible claims to be God's word in no way MAKES that true right? Anyone could make a book that claims the book is true because the author says so and that the author made the book because the book says so because the author said so. Do you get what I mean?
@neoman121 God is LOVE and He is TRUTH. It is impossible for God to lie. In Jeremiah 30:1 He told him to write in a book what He tells Him. All scripture was written by men who were moved by the Holy Spirit. You have to understand, in those days the men were very devote and holy in a way that we rarely get to see, with the deepest regard, reverence and respect for God Our Heavenly Father.If anyone altered that book in any way, they will deal with God for that.The "author" is GOD.
@Skyheartstar777 You can't use the bible to argue with someone who believes that the bible was made by men who wanted control. Now, I'm at a point in my life where I just don't know, and I'm looking for my own version of truth, and from what I've read and experienced and learned, there can't be a single religion that is 100% true. Do you know how many contradictions are in the bible? or in ANY holy book?
@neoman121 In regards to what religion is the right one, and people can claim there's is the right one,the KJV bible is the one most widely accepted.All you have to do is go by God's word. Your belief in God and your relationship in prayer to Him is how you get to know Him and what He wants to reveal to you.Then you will be able to discern what is wrong and right.In this world today,it is good to have a very good sense of distinguishing wrong from right because many put out false info
@neoman121 When you have a keen sense of discerning wrong from right, you will see how you can pick out the wrong that is being taught, even from highly accredited and educated people. They might talk for an hour and one or two sentences can be absolutely untrue. If you study the bible, with the intent of knowing God, who He is, His power and plan for our salvation you will acquire this.
@Skyheartstar777 Seems like it was made by people who was just trying to explain the world how they knew it at that time to me. Is it possible that God's real challenge is to see who can actually have the brains to figure out things for themselves? and to think LOGICALLY about things? Maybe God gave people all those books to see who was smart and who would use there brain in order to SEARCH for WHAT is true!
@neoman121 You know that is true. Part of people's intelligence (and many are highly intelligent without effort or schooling) is not having tunnel vision, but letting your mind expand from one idea to another. I think that is what the problem (in some cases, not all) with the medical field.In many cases they practice as they were taught and with experiments and cadavers and their mind doesn't expand (other than textbook) to help in a patient's treatment and care.
@neoman121 Yes they are explaining the world as events were happening, as we today have history books, but theirs was while God was speaking to His chosen ones and told them to write in a book what He told them. The bible is a set of various dispensations as how God dealt with the people. Mostly of His never-ending love, forgiveness, how he protects and guides people in times of trouble because some are so hardened they insisted on going against Him.
@Skyheartstar777 maybe he DOESN'T want anyone to blindly accept stuff just because someone in charge of a group said so. Maybe he wants people to question things, and find there own piece of truth, what if he wanted to SHOW people who actually searches for the truth how dumb some people actually are?
@neoman121 Yes he does want people to turn to Him for knowledge, wisdom and guidance in all things. Jeremiah 33:3 - 3 ‘Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.’ Ephesians 6:18 -And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Prayer is your relationship with God.
@Skyheartstar777 I believe, that God wants us to search, and find the truth, and he will not send us to a bad place for doing what we can to find the truth, if it really is the TRUTH, then how could it POSSIBLY lead AWAY from God if he is who most people say he is?
@neoman121 When you study the bible, you will see the works that you do when living for God is Not just sitting in your house and maybe walking into Church once a week. It is about praying for all things, tithing, studying the bible so you can teach others and bring other people to God, through His Son Our Lord Jesus Christ. When you start praying and STUDYING the bible (not read - STUDY) and developing a personal relationship with God you will see what I mean.You will want more.
@Skyheartstar777 You have a personal relationship with god? Could you tell him I don't believe in him and to prove he exists? And also, why is god a 'he'? Sexist much?
@cfc19900 If where ever you were a snow storm hit in the next day or so as a sign you probably still would be doubtingGod's existence is all around you.Study the anatomy, the animals, plant,tree,flower lifeThe numerous speciesWe are taught by God that He created man first and then formed woman out of man from man's rib.Matt 7:11-If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
@Skyheartstar Where I live there's a tropical climate year round. If a snow storm were to hit then it would be a freak occurrence of nature. You were not taught by any god, you were taught by a book written by men. Men who couldn't explain why the sun sets, explain the moon or even explain child birth, so they had to say it's a 'god.' 'God' is the easy way out. While you people stick to that, and don't better the world, we are finding out new things, and advancing science for a better world.
@cfc19900 Have you ever read or studied the bible?Don't make statements that show you don't know what you are talking about. Jeremiah 30:11The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.All scripture was written by men who were moved by the Holy Spirit.God is the loving Creator of all things.Science is the teaching of God's creation.
@Skyheartstar777 What are you talking about? 'God is the loving Creator of all things'-- Look at that, perfect example of the easy way out, 'god' is not the creator of everything, 'god' was used to explain things that could not be explained in those times.
@cfc19900 John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY way.You need to confess, repent and turn to Our Lord Jesus Christ.
@cfc19900 Freak occurrence you say - that is a laugh. If God sent a lightning bold down, I guess you won't believe that came from Him either. People who have a true loving heart will be able to recognize the things of God.
@cfc19900 It is God who can command anything and have it happen by His voice. All the things will happen as written in the Bible, in Revelation and Our Lord Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 years. Ezekiel 43:2-and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory.
@cfc19900 Isaiah 6:10 -Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." You know the right thing to do. When people turn away from God, become rebellious and undisciplined they are only on a downward spiral unless on their own they become sensible and turn to God and listen to His words in the Bible.
@Skyheartstar777 Um, I am not rebellious. I am not undisciplined. So much for that. Why is your god real? If your god is real what makes these gods fake -- Zeus, Thor, Allah, Apollo, Shiva, Set, Ra, Horus, Krishna, Buddha. -- Hmm? What? Arrogance? They teach the same things to their people and say worship them and no one else.
Also, whatever happened to that gap in Jesus' life? He was born -- blank -- later adult life and the crucifixion. Kinda like watching a movie.
@cfc19900 From the beginning of time people went away from God. That is why the flood took place and God saved Noah and his family - the people were evil and wicked. Satan steals anything form God and copies it as His own. That is why He was kicked out of Heaven for trying to usurp the power and authority of God (who created Satan).Those other gods are all false gods, pagan gods. The Ten Commandments states not to have false gods.Jesus did miracles all throughout His life.
@Skyheartstar You have no proof of them being false gods. Don't make false assumptions. LOL you actually believe a flood took place? wow. I'm surprised yet again that those animals didn't eat other, considering they were part of the food chain.
@Skyheartstar We have all heard the story, it that we don't know the story, the problem is the lack of evidence to support it (and all the evidence which contradicts it).
@Skyheartstar777 Why did god allow the talking snake in the garden? Obviously he could have seen. How did the snake even get in if the garden was protected? Surely god would have known eve would've disobeyed so why did he bother creating them? Was he bored? How do sinners go to hell? I thought god and the devil were not on speaking terms, do they have an agreement? Why would the devil torture someone who opposed god? Did god ask mary for permission or did he just dive right in?
@Skyheartstar777 You cannot be quoting a fairy tale book and think you're right. Evolution has proof to back it up, not all, but it does have proof. You have no single piece of proof that an old man lives in the sky just waiting there to come to earth to kill more people.
@cfc19900 Don't play games when it concerns God. If it snowed in a couple of days from now in your tropical state, after you asked if God would give you a sign, your heart is just so hardened that nothing that is done will make you believe. What would you do call it a coincidence? It wouldn't be.God is working in all people and He gives good things to the believers and unbelievers and He gives miracles to unbelievers so they will turn to Him. Once you die and are judged, it is final
@wolfduga I know. Back in the 'bible days' people couldn't really explain much of the things around them. It's okay to excuse them, but in this day and age, it's not.
@neoman121 It teaches you to be strong - because there are wolves in sheep's clothing out there. People think Religion will fade out and that is NOT true. It will remain strong and the prophecies of the bible will be fulfilled. We are in the End Times according to the Book of Revelation and that means we could enter into the tribulation period when the Trumpets sound off. They predict that this will happen when Pope Benedict is in office.
@Skyheartstar777 Do you even realize literally HOW MANY TIMES people have been saying the world is going to end really really really really really soon for thousands of years???
@neoman121 Read Revelation 21 and what the Kingdom of God is like. Read Revelation 20 where they bind up the devil in hell for a 1000 years while Our Lord Jesus Christ reigns. You can watch the 7 Trumpet videos on The WLCVideos channel that is listed on my channel and they are also in my favorites. See what will happen.
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poor mark...he just might have come the the reality that he is wrong about his belief in Christianity but can't admit it. what a sad state to be in. Mark is probably still in a daze a year after this conversation. Religion IS poison.
susodino 7 hours ago
poor mark...he just might have come the the reality that he is wrong about his belief in Christianity but can't admit it. what a sad state to be in. Mark is probably still in a daze a year after this conversation. Religion IS poison.
susodino 7 hours ago
Matt's point around 7:50 actually has a very important side to it, namely that Christians make an unverifiable proposition: The reality of Jesus's miracles. The thing about unverifiable propositions is that they create unfalsifiable negations. Since there is no realistic piece of evidence that would convince me that Jesus was resurrected, some theists would fault me for holding an unfalsifiable belief. However, it's *their fault* for proposing something unverifiable, not mine for rejecting it.
Anomalous59 18 hours ago
"Whats wrong with you?"... Jeff is scary...
Koenma007 23 hours ago
Good ole' Mark of the Stone.
Codfert970 1 day ago
What evidence is there to support Atheism? If the Bible is wrong about creation, how ?
MrPeppa11 2 days ago
@MrPeppa11 Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack thereof. As for your 2nd sentence well...you don't really converse about these things much do you? Lol.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 days ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO Atheism is the belief there is no God. you do believe there is NO God right??? That's what your religion is based on (Believing there is no God) or (believing the concept of a God is false, a lie, or illogical) If I'm wrong then you believe there is a God...
And yes, I converse a lot about this subject. why? You have no answer for," If the Bible is wrong on creation, how?"
MrPeppa11 1 day ago
@MrPeppa11 Atheism is not a belief, it is a conclusion that there is no god, or gods.
The bible is nothing more than ancient literature in the category of fiction -- a very poor fiction at that. It's wrong on nearly everything it has to say in respect to what we have since learned about our world and the universe. The authors of all the many books that were much later combined to form the bible are unknown. You suffer an indoctrinated delusion, now grow the fuck up & deal with it!
VariedVids 1 day ago
sounds like dane cook
badcommentmr 3 days ago
This is probably the most comprehensive and convincing speech against religion ever.
133j0hn 4 days ago
LOL the guy just cant admit that he thinks the bible is wrong on the age of the world
six80ususus 5 days ago
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Jeff is a bit of an idiot here. "What's wrong with you? Why do you want to believe.." (that they'll go to hell etc). What's "wrong" with him is that he believes his bible and is a good Christian and no, he doesn't "want" to believe, he just does. You could flip this around - What's wrong with you Jeff? Why don't you want to believe in Jesus? Doesn't make sense to be offended at someone's beliefs in that way.
bigglyguy 1 week ago
@bigglyguy If someone walked up to you and told you that you deserved to be tied up and tortured for ten years because you drink beer, and seriously meant it, would you be offended?
akromata 5 days ago
@akromata I would be.
olwerXL 4 days ago
@akromata I'd be extremely concerned, and would weigh up their size and likely martial abilities, but not offended per se. Not if I already knew, as Jeff does, their beliefs on such matters. Put it this way - What's wrong with you, wanting to believe the Earth is round? Why are you such an asshole? See how that doesn't really make sense? Believing what you believe isn't a moral position because belief is NOT a choice that you make. Nobody thinks there is no god but decides to believe it anyway
bigglyguy 3 days ago
@bigglyguy Seriously? If a respectably-dressed businessman walked up to your wife, or your children, and smilingly told them they deserved to be tortured in a basement for ten years because of a moral failing or something they said, you wouldn't be offended? Because remember, these people say that you and your family deserve to be tortured FOREVER.
akromata 1 day ago
I totally see that guy siting on his coutch for half an hour with the meme poker face on his face thinking of what just happened
The109926 1 week ago 4
Jeff Dee.... "cut it out". lol
TheDharmawheel 1 week ago
why does jeff get so offended
dopeasfuckk 1 week ago
@dopeasfuckk Maybe cos, ppl don't realize how disgusting it is to have subscribed to a community that is perfectly okay with torturing all non-believers and ppl who belong to other faith, for ever and ever. Its like someone being a part of a community that thinks that child molestation is a-okay and not realizing how disgusting it is.
If anyone thinks that ppl deserved to be tortured for ever & ever in fire and smoke for petty things like not believing, they are so muddled in their thinking.
DoubterApe 1 week ago
I watched this video many times, it never gets old! And that epic answer by Matt changed the way I discuss this issue with others. One of the best videos for this show!
ethos79 1 week ago
I always enjoy the shows best when Matt and Jeff are hosting.
DrunknShooter 1 week ago
Why does Dane Cook keep calling these guys?
SuperCruz88 1 week ago
what this people don't understand is that even if god existed, we wouldn't follow him anyway....hes a fucking monster, he has over 2 million confirmed victims on his hands. a lot of them were innocent, even tough hitler existed that doesen´'t mean Im gonna follow that monster.
ChaoticRupture 2 weeks ago 3
idiot christian is idiot
kingbridgetroll 2 weeks ago
Does no one else think the caller sounds like Dane Cook? Did they get trolled?
janamb88 2 weeks ago
@janamb88 Mark does sound exactly like Dane Cook. "Mark" is an admitted poe, but hasn't confessed his true identity.
TomVodkaCollins 2 weeks ago
One of THE best Matt rants. So true.
AntitheticMe 2 weeks ago
Im born again but i must agree on somethings the non believers here are smarter then my fellow brothers... fellas its about love.. love God and love your fellow man thats it!!!
thelumberjackjohn 2 weeks ago
@thelumberjackjohn Actually, it's about an old war god who kills and orders the killings of thousands of people, then says, screw it, I'll go down there and let them kill me, and then if they believe that's true they can go to a new earth with me for 1000 years, when i will then let Satan back out, and then put even more people along with him into permanent torture forever in my 3rd and final kingdom. It's just silly bud!
Sveccha93 2 weeks ago
@Sveccha93 Ya he ordered the killing of people because they were evil beyond help that's in the old testament. the fact that we sin and Jesus gave his life to take place of the sin is not crazy makes sense to me. as far as the other stuff you said it just sounds like your angry cuss it doesnt make sense to me either. the message is redemption for are sins thru grace and belief in Christ anything else ill happy to talk in more detail thru a general question. it just seems like more of a rant
thelumberjackjohn 2 weeks ago
@thelumberjackjohn Some of the people he ordered killed were babies, children and even animals. He wrote laws that make rape victims marry their rapist. Everything I said is straight from the bible. I've read it an all three original languages....can't you at least read it once in English? I'm angry that people like you think it's real because you could be living a normal life being open and friendly to the world around you, instead of in dread that people are going to be tortured for not buying
Sveccha93 2 weeks ago
@Sveccha93 he didnt kill babies it was children because they were already contaminated everything had to be exterminated even the animals were beyond saving.. iv read that as far as the laws that make rape victims marry their rapist can you provide scripture? that im not aware of. As far as the torture in the world why would a real christian torture someone? the christians around the world are being killed. As far as this country are biggest problem is cults that are teaching false doctrine
thelumberjackjohn 2 weeks ago
@Sveccha93 ok so i found the scripture you are talking about and you are taking it out of context Deuteronomy 22:25-29.. read the whole thing at first it starts out saying if a man rapes a women he shall be put to death then he says if they are found together and she is a virgin he has to marry her..
thelumberjackjohn 2 weeks ago
@Sveccha93 I heard a renowned archaeologist once related that at one time he had rejected the God of the Old Testament who would order Israel to slaughter the nations around her. Then he became an archeologist and began to dig up the relics of their culture and religion. When he became aware of the horrible, perverted, atrocious acts they committed, many involving children, he then wondered "why God waited as long as He did."
thelumberjackjohn 2 weeks ago
This is my favorite hobby recently, seeing people of " faith" and try to talk their way trough nonsense relegion lol
kenshyn91 2 weeks ago
Dane Cook????????
112lely 2 weeks ago
and a little note on my defense of Halfturretslicer...I am not arguing that the logic is wrong or anything like that...merely that there are legitimate issues with any sort of belief (be they founded on evidence or a lack thereof). I, personally am an unaffiliated theist, however my theism is based on optimism and logic, and my view of "god" is merely that he/she/it/they exist(s). I would not claim that any religious text has an absolute claim, though the ones I've read have positives too.
noblubber 2 weeks ago
@noblubber "my theism is based on optimism and logic"
Come back when it's based on evidence.
TomFynn 2 weeks ago
@noblubber '[I'm] an unaffiliated theist [...] my view of "god" is merely that he/she/it/they exist(s).'
The idea that a god merely exists is deism, theism goes further to claim that god is personal, i.e. it interferes and takes an interest in our lives.
weefeatures 1 day ago
Ok so noting that a lot of people are having a knee-jerk reaction to Halfturretslicer, I want to note that he has a valid point. Him using logic to point a flaw in logic is perfectly reasonable, just as many people use the bible to prove the bible wrong. That does not mean that logic is wrong, merely that it requires accepting a certain point of view to accept its conclusions. Accepting logic is a necessary step to using it, which means that some form of "faith" is required, even with evidence.
noblubber 2 weeks ago
@noblubber Logic is a prior to any coherent communication or thought. Including the very first word of anything uttered with intention. His argument would be better if it was "we can't ascertain logic without a fixed reference point provided by a creator". In other words, you either accept all the consequences of logic, or you discard it entirely.
Sveccha93 2 weeks ago
Bravo guys, well spoken. The part where you talk about your personal sadness at the divisiveness is powerful.
sockyquest 3 weeks ago
the earth is 4.6 billion years old
guesswho811 3 weeks ago
That explains these guys perfectly. Southern baptists teach Lordship Salvation and Pentecostals teach salvific loss. Neither present a clear plan of salvation which explains that these atheists were never saved. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. John 6:47.
Gracesaves7772 3 weeks ago
"We're a New Testament Church and the book is pretty clear about..."
"Well there's your mistake!"
Haha, awesome =)
HRRyan2 3 weeks ago
fuck everyone. stop eating meat you christian retards karma is the only government of the universe.
nolliefsburtlemen 3 weeks ago
No one understands the message according to the individual christians or muslim, that is the problem - your god have no communicating skills - obviously because it does not excist. Christianity is being pushed more and more in the direction of fundamentalism.
MrLeptocyon 4 weeks ago
God is love. Thats it. The caller obviously does not understand jesus' message or christianity at all. It's sad that this is the name and face christianity has come to represent, it makes anyone who believes in something greater than themselves, whatever you may choose to call it, a zealot who persecutes those who believe differently. NOT what jesus meant. so unfortunate.
liznicholson22 4 weeks ago
I would say most Atheists hold a self-contradictory idealogy because they say things require scientific proof"for us to believe in them. But then Atheists like all people accept logic; logic has not been scientifically proven. Every argument an Atheist makes is based on logic, which has not been proven. Aesthetics, mathematics, the reality of the external world, emotions, etc. have not been scientifically proven to be true and yet even Atheists believe in them. Self-contradictory beliefs.
Halfturretslicer 4 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer The dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet. Congrats.
greensheerful 4 weeks ago 11
@greensheerful Is that all you've got?
Halfturretslicer 4 weeks ago
@greensheerful You mean his comment "logic has not been scientifically proven".......
Ya, i'm just ummm.. FACE PALM!.............nuff said.
1991stratplus 1 week ago
@Halfturretslicer Undermining all of Aristotle's work on logic, are we now? Logic is a tool we use to determine reality. How do we know logic works? It's the same reason we know science works. Because it's testable and has consistently worked
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245 I undermine anyone's "work" on logic because applying logic in the quest to prove logic itself is circular reasoning. To use science to prove logic would be circular reasoning as well since science presupposes logic as true.
Halfturretslicer 3 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer Are you serious? Are you trying to say you disagree with the idea of science and logic? That the facts of the world are "circular" reasoning? How do you think our species got to the point that it allows you to write your retarded thoughts on YouTube?
MyFishIsTwonk 3 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer So are you implying that we are incapable of determining fact from fiction? Logic has worked so far. Unless you propose an alternative, it seems that logic will remain the standard.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@hobbit2245 Personally, I believe that logic is a tool for unlocking reality. The point I have been trying to make is that belief in science and logic is inconsistent with an idealogy of scientism, that is, the view that something should only be believed in if it has been scientifically proven, since faith is required to believe in logic; any "proof" of logic necessitates the application of logic itself and thus violates one of its own principles.
Halfturretslicer 3 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer I suppose you could call that faith, but I call it using the best tool that we have. I don't have faith that a hammer with drive in nails, I know it will.
hobbit2245 3 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer You're using logic to try and explain that logic doesn't work dipshit.
gammypage 3 weeks ago
@gammypage I have never made the claim that logic does not work.
Halfturretslicer 3 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer Were you dropped on your head as a child by a priest trying to molest you?
DJ100101 2 weeks ago
@DJ100101 Ah, just like everyone else here you resort to throwing insults rather than dealing with the argument.
Halfturretslicer 2 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer The argument being that you think that logic isn't scientifically proven? Thats kind of the basis of logic.
DJ100101 2 weeks ago
@DJ100101 Logic is based on science...? No, that's simply not the case. In fact, science is based, in part, on logic. Logic was around long, long before science.
Halfturretslicer 2 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer No...logic is based on science. Nobody went "Hey...the Earth doesn't revolve around the sun..." There was an idea and then using science then came the basis of logic. You are now considered illogical and retarded if you believe in a geocentric model of the universe.
DJ100101 2 weeks ago
@DJ100101 You're confusing logic ontology with the ability to discern what is logical and what is illogical. Moreover, discerning between what is logical and what is illogical can easily be demonstrated without science. For example, 2+2=4 is logical, whereas to say that a stop sign is shaped like a hexagon is illogical.
Science is based in part on logic, it presupposes logic without proof. Science trying to prove logic would be reasoning in a circle.
Halfturretslicer 2 weeks ago
@DJ100101 Science would not be able to function without logic because the plethora of evidence could not be interpreted and a logical conclusion to what the evidence is indicating could not be made. For example, evolutionary theory has developed as a result of a conglomerate of evidence. The conclusion that we all must have branched off from a primordial ancestor could not be made without logic.
Halfturretslicer 2 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer Neither of them can function without the other. Without science we would still think that those who believe the Earth is flat would still be considered correct while those who say round are babbling morons. While I agree you made some valid point; I just saw a mockery of whatever comments and wanted to try out a new priest joke. And as for the evolution thing, science found that we must have branched off and used logic to come up with the theory.
DJ100101 2 weeks ago
@Halfturretslicer
ABSOLUTELY STUPIDEST THING I'VE READ
LesterTayTarik 3 days ago
I kinda feel sorry for the caller because he seems like he is trying to understand it but holding himself back from doing so.
TheSolitaryTraveller 1 month ago
If christianity wasn't POPULAR, I wonder how many of today's christians would really go to bat for their zombie worship.
69McJesus 1 month ago
the whole 'satan' clause is actually bad
so, if you're not a christian, you are automatically 'of the devil' and you want to bring people to hell
if you are a chrisitan, then you are 'of god', and want to bring people to heaven
outside of a role reversal, I see the exact same behaviour on both sides. the only difference is because it's a 'religion' that is not the same as your own. christians gotta grow up and realize the stupidity of the 'us vs them' scenario they believe in
infernalone666 1 month ago
Many Christians LOVE to feel superior and self-righteous, which is why they love to tell others they are going to hell. Frankly, just listening to Mark's voice makes my GAYDAR go bonkers. (I am gay, former christian, bible college graduate: I have experience with gays hiding in church.)
I suspect christians are fascinated with this program (and watch it in private, in dark rooms where they masturbate in shame).
69McJesus 1 month ago
@69McJesus
that's the whole point. it's a bunch of pitiful humans with a lack of meaning and value in their actual lives creating this 'paradise' so they can brag about how great it will be to people they think will never get there. it tickles their ego and gives them a sense of a validated existence
it is known the first christians were societal outcasts and frustrated civil servants. they created jesus to say 'i know life is horrible, but I am loved and have a paradise - and you are not'
infernalone666 1 month ago
Wow. This the arguments presented here are very cogent and clearly stated. I also have had serious problems with family members just because I didn't believe the earth was 6,000 years old. One of my grandfathers almost hit me in the face just for suggesting that that wasn't true.
bugzilla2001 1 month ago
@bugzilla2001 Just as Jesus would do.... Im guessing your American? America is pretty much the only developed nation where such stupidity is still common.
utube2344 1 month ago
@utube2344
i'm american and i will FREELY admit that's the truth - because it is
and american christians are the worst type these days
infernalone666 1 month ago
@bugzilla2001 Challenging anything that props-up christianity threatens the entire structure: it's a very fragile construct. Sorry you are having difficulty conversing honestly with your family.
69McJesus 1 month ago
SELF CONTRADICTORY thats the conclusion of a person with an inaccurate understanding of the Bible.
62Elvis 1 month ago
@62Elvis It's been proven hundreds of times. Atheists know more about all religions especially christianity (the bible included) than those that are theists. I can give you many links. More often than not atheists are recovering theists too. On the journey of becoming non-believers they go to great lengths to learn the details.
splicedenergy 1 month ago
@62Elvis you should look up the skeptics annotated bible, they have plenty of examples of contradictions that you can read. afterwards if you think they're lying you can just go check your bible
TheShaitanjr 1 month ago
@TheShaitanjr haha gee youre soooo funny try standup comedy
62Elvis 1 month ago
@62Elvis my understanding of the Bible is totally accurate
62Elvis 1 month ago
No, Jeff. His mistake was mentioning Hell around you, the master of tearing Christians a new one for that belief alone.
PinUpPrecious 1 month ago
@PinUpPrecious Lol
62Elvis 1 month ago
15 billion.
amym333 1 month ago
I laughed so bad when he said nvm the bible. Best thing ever said.
TheDogScout 1 month ago
ahahahahahahaha genuinely gave a hearty laugh when he was unable to find any evidence outside of the bibles writings.
utube2344 1 month ago
@utube2344 the Bible doesnt require any extra evidence or writings. its self-proving & self confirming. learn the facts before writing stupid stuff son!
62Elvis 1 month ago
@62Elvis Ya there are no facts your only evidence is "I believe this because this book says to believe it and my evidence is that the book says its true." That's not evidence. Harry Potter could say "this book is true and Godlike" does that make it true? Why do you accept what a book says simply because it was written? Poor critical thinking skills you have.
utube2344 1 month ago
dude got ownt.
Dymez187 1 month ago
Is it just me or does the caller sound a bit like a very tired Dane Cook? Haha.
BrokenBard 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777
you need to learn how to recognize trolls. that request for forgiveness was completely insincere. i would never ask for forgiveness from someone like you.
youthank8 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777
i removed it. please forgive me!
youthank8 1 month ago
@youthank8 I always forgive - even while people are still doing the things they do without thinking. Just do something for me,try to change your life and not speak in such a way. How people talk is a reflection of who they are. It is all about disciplining ourselves. First we say wrong words when we are mad and then the next thing you know it is used in our everyday language. Better to stop it before it gets out of hand.WE should live as an example to others.Let them copy GOOD.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
If these people knew what hell was like - they would be turning as fast as they could. Read the book Divine Revelation of Hell and 7 Colombian Youths in Hell at spiritlessons. Atheists put out false information and teach correctly only to satisfy their own ways.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
"Ill pray for you" Is one of the most passive aggressive responses you could ever give to someone
TheDreadedlife 1 month ago
or for not being religious.
AzuraNightShadow 1 month ago
It sounds delusional and I know that. But that doesn't change how i feel about it. Its right for me I like believing in what I believe. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down someones throat. Athiest's I think are trying to make a better place for humanity. I love what I believe and I love nature and the tradition that I take part in. I guess I'm delusional and logical but im happy where I am. I just hope in the future we can have religious freedom and Athiest won't be put down for logic.
AzuraNightShadow 1 month ago
Its kinda werid for me... I love hearing these guys because I love logic and science. I like backing up my beliefs. But I'm not an Atheist I'm a Wiccan. I would say most of my religion is earth based. I believe in evolution and i believe I came from the earth. However I do not have any evidence that The God and Goddess are real. They might not be real. But that doesn't change what I believe. I see nothing wrong with believing in something that hasn't been proven or may never be proven.
AzuraNightShadow 1 month ago
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youthank8 1 month ago
@youthank8 If you talk this way to people - it is a wonder you are still alive. REMOVE YOUR COMMENT. If you started losing all your money if you did not remove the comment - I imagine you would pretty quickly. REMOVE IT NOW. Some people don't tolerate such filth as what you talk.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
8:02. What qualifies as a god?
Keshisama 1 month ago
*My church believes that there is a heaven and hell* NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 When you live for God you have to go strictly by the bible and the bible mentions many times about Hell and Our Lord Jesus Christ taught about it. Any people that teach differently will be subject to severe judgment. Revelation 22:18 - do not add or take away anything from the bible.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 You know what's funny? The bible has been edited SO many times, put through SO many translations, that the bible's that we have today that are not the first bibles THEMSELVES, will always take away or add stuff, but that really doesn't matter, because there is not a single religious person (at least to my knowledge) that really believes everything in the bible, so given that there is nobody (again, to my knowledge)
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 that actually practices the whole bible, then why should it stay the exact same anyway? people take what they want to hear from the bible and throws out the rest. Now, something I would like you to know before you comment, is that I do believe in God, but I am smart enough to question things, and to be able to rationalize and find answers that are true,
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 now, even if I am wrong, would God punish me for following what I believe is true? I don't believe so, and also, if God can literally do ANYTHING, then it would be so mean IMO to have hell, he could EASILY just create an alternate reality where there is literally *nothing* no consciousness or anything, none existence.
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Now, that is the same exact thing that Atheists believe that is what happens when we die anyway, so really, if God is truly just and capable of anything, why would he make anyone suffer FOREVER? Please do understand that I do believe in God, all tho I do believe that we don't exactly agree on *who* God is, but, please ask yourself, WHY do you believe what you believe? is it based on what PEOPLE have told you? or on YOUR OWN personal experience AND research!
Thanks for the reply.
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 Revelation 22:18 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 But there are books/religions that claim if your Christian your going to hell! How can anyone know what religion is true and which one they should go to? even if there was ONLY 2, and each one said if your going to be in the other religion or in any religion that is not THIS ONE, then you've got a paradox. Because no matter what you do, you will not be able to absolutely know which one is true or not, so your taking a 50-50% gamble on going to heaven or hell,
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 and that's if one of those is the right one, and what are the chances of that? There are THOUSANDS of regions, so if only one can be right, then God must love wasting his time creating people and only having a fraction of 1% (probably) even have a chance to get into heaven. I'm still researching allot, and I'm trying to figure out how many religions actually say if you
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 don't believe in THIS ONE your going to hell, now, based on that alone, I can say if there are only a few hundred out of the many thousands, and I would look at those and see when they were invented, and you could logically conclude that oldest one would probably be the safest bet to take. But as of right now, I think I'm headed towards being somewhat Buddhist,
neoman121 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 I believe that God wants us to USE THE TOOLS HE GAVE US, to find our own little piece of truth, there is no absolute truth, only a journey towards it, thanks for reading. :)
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 God is sacred and holy. He is the Creator of EVERYTHING. We are to go to Him in prayer to learn things, not create them on our own. Jeremiah 33:3 - 3 ‘Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.’ The bible warns of false prophets and teachers and anyone who talks away His children by wrong teaching. You go by the bible. Sure you can increase your own morals/values/integrity/dignity and discipline yourself, but God is FIRST
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@neoman121 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment " 1Tim (6:17)
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 No offence, but you do realize that just because the bible claims to be God's word in no way MAKES that true right? Anyone could make a book that claims the book is true because the author says so and that the author made the book because the book says so because the author said so. Do you get what I mean?
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 God is LOVE and He is TRUTH. It is impossible for God to lie. In Jeremiah 30:1 He told him to write in a book what He tells Him. All scripture was written by men who were moved by the Holy Spirit. You have to understand, in those days the men were very devote and holy in a way that we rarely get to see, with the deepest regard, reverence and respect for God Our Heavenly Father.If anyone altered that book in any way, they will deal with God for that.The "author" is GOD.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 You can't use the bible to argue with someone who believes that the bible was made by men who wanted control. Now, I'm at a point in my life where I just don't know, and I'm looking for my own version of truth, and from what I've read and experienced and learned, there can't be a single religion that is 100% true. Do you know how many contradictions are in the bible? or in ANY holy book?
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 In regards to what religion is the right one, and people can claim there's is the right one,the KJV bible is the one most widely accepted.All you have to do is go by God's word. Your belief in God and your relationship in prayer to Him is how you get to know Him and what He wants to reveal to you.Then you will be able to discern what is wrong and right.In this world today,it is good to have a very good sense of distinguishing wrong from right because many put out false info
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 the KJV version is not the most widely accepted because most christians don't speak English.
wolfduga 1 month ago
@wolfduga
Skyheartstar 1 month ago
@neoman121 When you have a keen sense of discerning wrong from right, you will see how you can pick out the wrong that is being taught, even from highly accredited and educated people. They might talk for an hour and one or two sentences can be absolutely untrue. If you study the bible, with the intent of knowing God, who He is, His power and plan for our salvation you will acquire this.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Seems like it was made by people who was just trying to explain the world how they knew it at that time to me. Is it possible that God's real challenge is to see who can actually have the brains to figure out things for themselves? and to think LOGICALLY about things? Maybe God gave people all those books to see who was smart and who would use there brain in order to SEARCH for WHAT is true!
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 You know that is true. Part of people's intelligence (and many are highly intelligent without effort or schooling) is not having tunnel vision, but letting your mind expand from one idea to another. I think that is what the problem (in some cases, not all) with the medical field.In many cases they practice as they were taught and with experiments and cadavers and their mind doesn't expand (other than textbook) to help in a patient's treatment and care.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@neoman121 Yes they are explaining the world as events were happening, as we today have history books, but theirs was while God was speaking to His chosen ones and told them to write in a book what He told them. The bible is a set of various dispensations as how God dealt with the people. Mostly of His never-ending love, forgiveness, how he protects and guides people in times of trouble because some are so hardened they insisted on going against Him.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 maybe he DOESN'T want anyone to blindly accept stuff just because someone in charge of a group said so. Maybe he wants people to question things, and find there own piece of truth, what if he wanted to SHOW people who actually searches for the truth how dumb some people actually are?
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 Yes he does want people to turn to Him for knowledge, wisdom and guidance in all things. Jeremiah 33:3 - 3 ‘Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.’ Ephesians 6:18 -And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Prayer is your relationship with God.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 I believe, that God wants us to search, and find the truth, and he will not send us to a bad place for doing what we can to find the truth, if it really is the TRUTH, then how could it POSSIBLY lead AWAY from God if he is who most people say he is?
neoman121 1 month ago
@neoman121 When you study the bible, you will see the works that you do when living for God is Not just sitting in your house and maybe walking into Church once a week. It is about praying for all things, tithing, studying the bible so you can teach others and bring other people to God, through His Son Our Lord Jesus Christ. When you start praying and STUDYING the bible (not read - STUDY) and developing a personal relationship with God you will see what I mean.You will want more.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 You have a personal relationship with god? Could you tell him I don't believe in him and to prove he exists? And also, why is god a 'he'? Sexist much?
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 If where ever you were a snow storm hit in the next day or so as a sign you probably still would be doubtingGod's existence is all around you.Study the anatomy, the animals, plant,tree,flower lifeThe numerous speciesWe are taught by God that He created man first and then formed woman out of man from man's rib.Matt 7:11-If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
Skyheartstar 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar Where I live there's a tropical climate year round. If a snow storm were to hit then it would be a freak occurrence of nature. You were not taught by any god, you were taught by a book written by men. Men who couldn't explain why the sun sets, explain the moon or even explain child birth, so they had to say it's a 'god.' 'God' is the easy way out. While you people stick to that, and don't better the world, we are finding out new things, and advancing science for a better world.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 Have you ever read or studied the bible?Don't make statements that show you don't know what you are talking about. Jeremiah 30:11The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.All scripture was written by men who were moved by the Holy Spirit.God is the loving Creator of all things.Science is the teaching of God's creation.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 amen!
amym333 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 What are you talking about? 'God is the loving Creator of all things'-- Look at that, perfect example of the easy way out, 'god' is not the creator of everything, 'god' was used to explain things that could not be explained in those times.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.John 1:14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY way.You need to confess, repent and turn to Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Skyheartstar 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar Actually the bird was the word.
cfc19900 1 month ago 10
@cfc19900 lmfao
utube2344 1 month ago
@cfc19900 that comment was full of win!
TheDharmawheel 4 weeks ago
@cfc19900 Freak occurrence you say - that is a laugh. If God sent a lightning bold down, I guess you won't believe that came from Him either. People who have a true loving heart will be able to recognize the things of God.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Yes, freak occurrence, because I live in a tropical place. Do I really need to explain lightning to you? Seriously?
'People who have a true loving heart will be able to recognize the things of God' -- Pure elitist and arrogance nonsense.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 It is God who can command anything and have it happen by His voice. All the things will happen as written in the Bible, in Revelation and Our Lord Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 years. Ezekiel 43:2-and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory.
Skyheartstar 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar You prove you have nothing to say except qouting bullshit. If you can't talk for yourself, please fuck off. You and your god.
cfc19900 1 month ago
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Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@cfc19900 Isaiah 6:10 -Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." You know the right thing to do. When people turn away from God, become rebellious and undisciplined they are only on a downward spiral unless on their own they become sensible and turn to God and listen to His words in the Bible.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Um, I am not rebellious. I am not undisciplined. So much for that. Why is your god real? If your god is real what makes these gods fake -- Zeus, Thor, Allah, Apollo, Shiva, Set, Ra, Horus, Krishna, Buddha. -- Hmm? What? Arrogance? They teach the same things to their people and say worship them and no one else.
Also, whatever happened to that gap in Jesus' life? He was born -- blank -- later adult life and the crucifixion. Kinda like watching a movie.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@cfc19900 From the beginning of time people went away from God. That is why the flood took place and God saved Noah and his family - the people were evil and wicked. Satan steals anything form God and copies it as His own. That is why He was kicked out of Heaven for trying to usurp the power and authority of God (who created Satan).Those other gods are all false gods, pagan gods. The Ten Commandments states not to have false gods.Jesus did miracles all throughout His life.
Skyheartstar 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar You have no proof of them being false gods. Don't make false assumptions. LOL you actually believe a flood took place? wow. I'm surprised yet again that those animals didn't eat other, considering they were part of the food chain.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar We have all heard the story, it that we don't know the story, the problem is the lack of evidence to support it (and all the evidence which contradicts it).
SeanACampbell 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Why did god allow the talking snake in the garden? Obviously he could have seen. How did the snake even get in if the garden was protected? Surely god would have known eve would've disobeyed so why did he bother creating them? Was he bored? How do sinners go to hell? I thought god and the devil were not on speaking terms, do they have an agreement? Why would the devil torture someone who opposed god? Did god ask mary for permission or did he just dive right in?
cfc19900 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 You cannot be quoting a fairy tale book and think you're right. Evolution has proof to back it up, not all, but it does have proof. You have no single piece of proof that an old man lives in the sky just waiting there to come to earth to kill more people.
cfc19900 1 month ago 3
@cfc19900 haha
ct7320 1 month ago
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@cfc19900 Don't play games when it concerns God. If it snowed in a couple of days from now in your tropical state, after you asked if God would give you a sign, your heart is just so hardened that nothing that is done will make you believe. What would you do call it a coincidence? It wouldn't be.God is working in all people and He gives good things to the believers and unbelievers and He gives miracles to unbelievers so they will turn to Him. Once you die and are judged, it is final
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@cfc19900 God is just a filler for gaps of knowledge. Enlightment an education are the strongest weapon against the rising infliuence of religion.
wolfduga 1 month ago
@wolfduga I know. Back in the 'bible days' people couldn't really explain much of the things around them. It's okay to excuse them, but in this day and age, it's not.
cfc19900 1 month ago
@neoman121 It teaches you to be strong - because there are wolves in sheep's clothing out there. People think Religion will fade out and that is NOT true. It will remain strong and the prophecies of the bible will be fulfilled. We are in the End Times according to the Book of Revelation and that means we could enter into the tribulation period when the Trumpets sound off. They predict that this will happen when Pope Benedict is in office.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 Do you even realize literally HOW MANY TIMES people have been saying the world is going to end really really really really really soon for thousands of years???
neoman121 1 month ago
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Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@neoman121 Read Revelation 21 and what the Kingdom of God is like. Read Revelation 20 where they bind up the devil in hell for a 1000 years while Our Lord Jesus Christ reigns. You can watch the 7 Trumpet videos on The WLCVideos channel that is listed on my channel and they are also in my favorites. See what will happen.
Skyheartstar777 1 month ago
@Skyheartstar777 How do you know that will happen?
utube2344 1 month ago