Rob Bell - Covered in the Dust of Your Rabbi Part 1

[BobbyTucker2]

@hakman8 rays teachings are $9.99 for mp3, not FREE!

[UnrealHelix]

This isn't preaching.

[mahoganyrush300]

I first heard this from my jewish father in law about 25 years ago. It is good to here this in the context of Yeshua.

[Menechem]

As a Jew, and a born again, Bible believing Christian I'm completely disgusted and offended. Not only did he pronounce the ineffable name of God and skewed facts about my people, he preaches a false gospel!

[iuchino]

Sounds like that Snake?, in the Garden of Eden, "God says you will surely die? God really says you will die?" and Today: "Is there really a Hell? Hell,forever?" The Truth is with the Magnitude 9 earthquake in Japan, Past Quakes in China, New zealand, Sumatura, Phukit, Chili, killing millions, turmoil in the mid east, death around the globe, Satan knows time is short, is desperate, so here it is, his version of "Love" in sync with M. Jacksons "Heal the World" , while denying God's Word.

[changeishere2008]

Rob Bell is an amazing teacher. God Bless you! for posting this.

[pockmarkedbuttocks]

robbie bell bell is a worthless sh*thead

[MaxamillianArturo]

As a Jew its incredibly offensive to see Rob Bell misusing this Tallit.

[shoter14]

The Bible says it. Is not the Bible what Jesus said?? in a round about way??

Every single one of us has something wrong with our Theology. We all have imperfect or limited view of God. Rob Bell is only engaging and preaching what he's found to be true in his walk with God. Let's do the same. The main thing is that we don't align ourselves with someone else's theology just to relieve us the responsibility To engage the Lord ourselves.

[DaFreewayMaster]

8:37-8:40 Bell states Jesus says go into your prayer closet. Where in Scripture did Jesus say that?

[dgt12]

@DaFreewayMaster Matthew 6:6 KJV

[DaFreewayMaster]

@dgt12 Jesus never said "Go into your prayer closet". Not even the verse you gave me says that buddy.

[dgt12]

@DaFreewayMaster you're right. Jesus doesn't say that verbatim. It was in reference to the closet where you pray. I think the point that Pastor Rob was trying to make was.... Oh nevermind.

[chepzion]

This was already preached by Zondervan... nothing new.

[cwrlcjalm]

@chepzion

Rob never claims to be preaching original ideas here... Either way, I guess since something was taught once it shouldn't be taught again.

[chepzion]

@cwrlcjalm at least he has to mention the original resource... and of course there's nothing wrong to preach it again but he has to mention.

[cwrlcjalm]

@chepzion He regularly does. Who's to say Zondervan is the original? You don't to cite an idea.

[chepzion]

@cwrlcjalm I hope you publish my answer to your commentary

[kinjja]

@chepzion Who is Zondervan? Zondervan is a publisher.

[dave1697]

@chepzion I believe you silly people mean VanderLaan... as in Ray VanderLaan. RVL is a teacher from Grand Rapids who has taught the Bible from a 1st century Jewish cultural perspective for many years. He is one of Bell's influences, along with Ed Dobson od Calvary Bible and Dwight Pryor of En Gedi. Yet another internet example of people commenting on something they know very little about. The irony is that you try to come off sounding really smart, but end up sounding very dumb.

[djfitzman]

@chepzion Zondervan ? don;t you mean the bible?

[musedeplath]

@chepzion

Unless I am mistaken, Zondervan is a company. This was originally taught by Ray Vander Laan.

[jflipskater05]

I just started trying to analyze Rob Bell's preachings because he is being condemned with heresy and false teachings. I finished this video, and if his history is correct on prayer shulls(sp?) I believe this teaching to be valid.

[hakman8]

what a shame that Rob does not mention that everything he says is actually RAY VANDER LAAN's material which is available free of charge at Ray's website. Rob is simply doing a scaled down lesson of stuff that Ray spends several hours teaching on. The "FRIEND" Rob mentions who went to jewish seminary and didn't have scripture memorized is Ray Vander Laan himself.

Come on bro, if you're gonna borrow someone else's material, at least have the courtesy to mention him....borderline plagiarism.

[schartier]

This guy...I've read his work, listened to his preaching, and watched him try to defend both. He has no idea what he's talking about. He just wants to make everybody happy and tell everyone what they want to hear. He's not Christian, rather unintelligent, really immature, and a disgrace to the Christian community at large.

[rorshakks]

@schartier Right on. Eventually he'll get a message from God that Jesus really isn't neccessary for salvation. He's more of a buddy or mentor for this guy. Very little difference between him and Olsteen.

[tanderson1015]

Oh no not another redefiner of the Gospel.

[ahsl]

tsetse reminds me of torah?

[shmaisrael3is1]

This proves Yeshua is God... to reduce him to the Son when he is much more than that strips him completely. I know it sounds like I am saying Yeshua is not the Son of God, but think about it... God is one.

[br1tp0p]

@shmaisrael3is1 "9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him [Jesus], and bestowed on Him [Jesus] the name which is above every name [YHVH], 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord [YHVH], to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:9-11

Stephen Venable teaches on this, too.

:)

[shmaisrael3is1]

Tanakh: Deuteronomy 6:4 shema (God is one) John 10:30 ( I and my Father are one) Exodus 3:14 (I am) cross John 8:58 (I AM) Deut. 32:39 I am He and there is no other God beside me Cross John 8:24 I am He, you will die in your sin Isaiah 45:21 God and Savior (cross) Titus 2:13 God and Savior Job 9:8 and treads on the waves of the sea (Cross) Matthew 14:25 walking on the sea

[shmaisrael3is1]

There is only one God. Isaiah 12:1-6 compound construct in Hebrew...

Rather there is only one God who has manifested himself in diverse forms in the Universe...

Deuteronomy 6:4-5

Zechariah

Deut. 32:39 There is no other God beside me...

Isaiah 43:10 Before me there was no God formed nor shall there be after me... besides me there is no other savior.

Isaiah 44:6-8 There is no other God beside me.

Isaiah 45

Joel 2:30 call on the name of the Lord (YHVH) and you shall be saved.

[shmaisrael3is1]

Yeshua was more than the "son" of YHVH, Yeshua was YHVH. He was the physical manifestation of YHVH himself. There are not three parts of a whole there is ONE whole. In Deut. it states, Hear of Israel, the Lord your God is One. Yeshua is YHVH or God. "Son" of God is a Hebrew idiom (like the sky is falling, or raining cats and dogs) to mean I and my father are ONE. Many scriptures back this up...

[Simsomai]

What a inspiring teaching. thank you rob bell. i also like drops like stars. very amazing!!!

[theNewCovenantGroup]

Rob Bell does a wonderful job.

[49128]

thats so condecending, not to mention old hat to say that jesus was a good teacher and all that patronising garbage ---jesus is much more than a prophet --he was all that plus the son of God --the saviour of the world and the only one to rise from the dead after he was cruelly sentecend by the jewish high priests to death --even the romans found no fault in him -- and they were heathen. its just man pleasing and highly ofensive to christians.

[49128]

if this man is a christian why is he dressed up in this garb from the old testament. if he is a christian then lets hear the new ways not the old ways --the old testament is just laws given for those days long ago --Jesus came along and done away with all that stuff becuase the jews themselves couldnt even keep these harsh laws. lets forget the past and move on --- the old testament is the history  of the world and its fine but we as christians.

[anamcharra13]

@49128

Why do you have a problem with his teachings, As a child and image bearer of God we should want to know the Whole Bible, not just the new testament. They are just as important for they are the basis of the new testament. Rob bell is different but he is preaching about how Jesus was a great leader and how those would follow him and just focusing on how his deciples got to him.

[lieslharvey]

Read Mat 5:16 - 19, also Rom3:31, Gal6:2 (the word law translated from instruction...), and one of my favourites: Luk 16:17 But heaven and earth will come to an end before the smallest letter of the law may be dropped out. It seems to me that heaven and earth still remain.

[lieslharvey]

If someone came to you and said, from now on I will always pay every fine you get for skipping a stop sign, and you are just amazed at this giving person, would you go then and skip every stop sign, just because you know he is going to pay for it, or would you try your best to stop... just a thought.

Have a blessed day!

[anamkb]

please, i would like to read bellow in portuguese! I like this men! he is very good!

[ninhautube]

@anamkb Cuidado,...Mas seria ate bom vc realmente ouvir, ai quem saber vai perceber as heresias q contem nas pregacoes deste homem. Deus abencoe!

[anamkb]

someone could translate this video to portuguese legend bellow??

[MrLolsauce69]

BCP UCC class like it if thats why your here

[LastDayProphet777]

ROB BELL SAID:

For a mind-blowing introduction to emergence theory and divine creativity, set aside three months and read KEN WILBER'S A Brief History of Everything.

— Rob Bell, Velvet Elvis - pg. 192, End Note 143

Why would Rob Bell tell any Christian to sit under the Teachings of a New Age guru for 3-months?

Google KEN WILBER's web-site and you will find a Pic of a Hindu Demon fornicating with a Woman, quotes from KEN that says we are Gods and Godesses and more:

[NicholasPOGM]

Numbers 15:39 says COMMANDMENTS not just "commands." The Law of God has never changed. In fact, in Rev. 14:12 it's "one" of the fruits of the people that DON'T get the mark of the beast. The the other fruit is of course believing in Jesus Christ. When they remove the COMMANDMENTS they teach it is not necessary to OBEY God and still gain Heaven, Yet Rev. 22:14 says ONLY those that keep the COMMANDMENTS enter into the city of New Jerusalem. Now do you see why Satan wants YOU to ignore the LAW?

[Andreas700]

A very insightful and illuminating exposition into what it means to be Jesus disciple.

Shading new light and meaning into familiar passages by putting them into their historical context.

[Andreas700]

A very insightful and illuminating exposition into what it means to be Jesus disciple.

Shading new light and meaning into familiar passages by purring them into their historical context.

[travisfussell]

Jesus, the Christ is preached in word and position by this man. The level of creativity, that he (Rob Bell) and his church portray are in the creative IMAGE of God. Jesus, himself was a spectacle and his miracles shine forth visual aides to all those who hear and see. Elevate your minds people.

[jtremaine23]

Who is the guy in the beginning giving the introduction¿ It looks like John Ortberg...

[gravyman1965]

For those wanting Rob Bell or any other pastor to "preach the word" - please explain further and in detail. And please provide your definition of the word......but before you do that...please provide documentation that you are the true right hand of God. Get over yourselves...really....you need to do this and some serious searching. What is the most important thing for you as a Christian? If you answered "the Word" then please reflect before answering again...with a better answer next time.

[AltidoreFan91]

STOP JOKING AROUND AND PREACH THE WORD!!!!

[barkeeper256]

This was awesome!

[1981Winddancer]

I think Rob Bell is doing an awesome job of taking people to the next level, from merely being Christians with individual salvation to being actual disciples of Jesus....loving, caring disicples who love God, neighbor and even their enemies. We need more churches who are willing to make this jump.

[Friendoflord]

Jesus didn't use visual aids? I am going to say that you are wrong there. It was common for the Rabbis in Jesus' day to use something that was happening around them to give an illistration on.

[TheTigerOnitsuka]

thanks man for sharing this teahing with us

[djemil4]

I thought she touched the hem of his garment

[NiceGuyAC]

From one Christian to another... Rob fuck off.

[christschick]

@NiceGuyAC whoa there...Christian video here...would you be so kind as to watch the language?

[Naaricita]

What God are they talking about? surely is not the God from the Bible!

[TrUxAzNx]

Rob Bell shoudl've said, if you have faith in yourself you will sink, but if you have faith in Christ alone, you will have the faith to move mountains.

[JonathanMoir]

Imagine if Jesus used Twitter, but wasn't very good at touch-typing. His diviness would mean that his message in 140 characters would be brilliant; his humaness would mean that he tweeted in pigeon English, as he learned in off a 6-week course, and the CD had a scratch on it.

[lewecca]

when was this?

[777RRm]

awesome video!!!! thanks!!!

[Alt0nsy]

I've seen jews wear prayer shawls(Tallit HaGadol), and they don't wear it in the manner described. They may have worn it in the Temple that way but, since there isn't any Temple standing, there is no way to know, unless the Talmud describes it or the other rabbinical writings do.

[44jesusfreak4]

guys if you don't like the facts he's giving you don't say anything just because you think its wrong you cannot change the truth

[barmishka]

ברוך השם

[avidalexander13]

Can you understand a Jewish word from a occidental way to think?? - probably, but maybe you could understand the "spirit" of the word if every body studies the context ..¿ Why are so many people ungry?? - The best way to show our love for god is to understand that people do not have to thinks like us to leve them.

[jctennisplaya16]

Look, maybe ya'll are right when you say Rob Bell isn't preaching"correct theology"or that he's preaching in the wrong. And everyone's entitle tho their opinion. But at least he's getting you to THINK. To disagree, to agree, to ponder. Please don't dismiss everything he's saying because it's difficult to hear or doesn't seem right. Because he's fighting for thought, for a faith that's messy, challenging, moving, and dynamic.

[ruzteez]

Can u all guys stop attacking to Rob Bell? If u don't like what he is teaching why are you watching it?....

[Jimbo3783]

@ruzteez I'm guessing they watch it because they want to be able to defend against what they call heresy. There's doing their best with what they've been given.

[masteroftheobvious86]

@ruzteez

1 Timothy 1:1-7, that's why

[rickgigliotti]

@ruzteez Rob Bell only picks the few scriptures and twists them, wrongly interprets the Bible, and outward lies. If you do honest research, like others, you will realize Rob Bell is a false teacher...

[ninhautube]

@ruzteez people dont like him and watch this to get some information. Hope one day u will understand...Here is a verse from the Bible: 2 Timothy 4:3 " For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears aways from the truth and turn aside to myths"

[sahmir71]

The commandment to wear tzit tzit comes from Hashem yes...but Rob Bell mocks it by wearing it and then saying that it doesn't matter if we follow Torah by his actions of not following it himself. He looks like a clown wearing it, it is as offensive to me as a person running around in "black face" would be to a black person.

[maadcat]

like the Jackson 5 skit on Australia's hey hey its saturday. that was a great skit :D just like rob here - that wasn't meant to be offensive. lighten up buddy/budette

[barmishka]

I'm Jewish and I'm not offended. I think he's just trying to visually illustrate what a tzitzit is because the majority of non-Jewish people do not know...

[sahmir71]

I'm saying Rob Bell is a joke of a teacher and does nothing but use "Judaism" as a gimmick and angle to make his weak teachings more palpitable to the people in his congregation who latch on to anything different to seem culturally diverse and relevant. Bell knowns nothing of the Torah...if he did why does he continue to break it.

[TheSasha555]

You have to be seriously retarded to believe this guy.

People are so gullible.

[bananaliver]

So you're saying that we're gullible to believe that Jesus was a Rabbi, that most of the things that happened in his presence were according to the prophecies, that he has faith that we can be his disciples and be the window to God himself in our areas of living, and the purpose of the system of Jewish teaching showed children to understand and consume the word like honey?

[sahmir71]

Who is this goofy Goy desecrating that tallit by wearing it?

[bananaliver]

How is he desecrating it by wearing it?

[sahmir71]

Because he is a Christian...not Jewish a Gentile, so he has no business wearing our stuff.

[bananaliver]

hmm. So you're saying, because he believes that Jesus was a Messiah, while at the same time knowing the great importance of Torah, merely demonstrating the purpose of "your" clothing, which most people of the Western culture don't understand, he may not wear it? But don't the prophets teach that nothing is ours, but God's?

[erikwait]

The idea of God's wings is also found in Ruth 2:12 which was fulfilled by Boaz in Ruth 3:9, a forerummer of Jesus Christ.

[ChristianNewsWatch]

Truth is rarely popular...

Jesus was a heretic to the Pharisees...

The natural mind can not understand the spirit...

Ahhh, isn't life fun? :)

[coltjam1232009]

Rob Bell is a Joke! When you don't think that the Virgin birth is essential to the Christian Faith...YOU ARE WACKED!

[jimdawg185]

It is pure evil to misquote like you are. You have grossly taken his words out of context. I am sure you don't limit your ignorance to him,I wonder how much of the Scriptures you take out of context.

[shhhakedown1979]

Theological qualms aside, am I the only one who thinks he looks a bit George McFly-esque in this?

[littleman85882]

now I want to eat honey :(

[newadam4]

Rob Bell doesn't do much research. He just tries to sound intellectual. If you read his latest book, he has countless errors in biblical history. These aren't questionable issues but rather those regarding Hebrew slaves wondering why they're not in Israel, no mention of split kingdoms, confused priests and kings and disciples and apostles.

[MJOR22]

maybe you have not done your research

[AlexCampos85]

To newadam4: You're absolutely right! There is something else: He's heretic and no matter how many times he reads the bible he'll distort it completely.

[pkrevbro]

or perhaps he's writing from their perspective, but that'd be too simplistic of an answer...

[tylerazevedo]

that was for bikerdisciple

[bikerdisciple]

Christ was the greatest of all rabbis (teachers), no doubt. But He was not a Levitical priest. Therefore, He would not be dressed as such. He was also not a temple priest and would not be recognized as one. The reason they followed Christ had nothing to do with any outward sign that He was a rabbi. It was an act of the Holy Spirit telling them to follow. (Dare I say 'predestination?)

[germany4jc]

Did I miss something? The prayer shawl is not just for a priest, but for any devout Jewish male. Therefore, there isn't anything wrong with this teaching? Or, did I miss something else?

[bikerdisciple]

The debate was over whether or not the Disciples dropped everything and followed Christ becaused He was a rabbi. My arguement was, no, he was neither Levitical priest or an officially recognized temple teacher.

[barmishka]

The word 'Rabbi' had a different meaning to what it has now. When Jesus was around it was a term of honour given to a Jewish teacher or leader. Now it is a term only given to a recognised teacher by others in authority. So it didn't matter whether you came from a priestly line or not. I'm not sure if I agree with Bell, but it is certainly a possibility.

[bikerdisciple]

Agreed. My point was that with Him not being a priest, there would have been nothing in His physical appearance or dress that would have made the disciples recognize Him as a great teacher. And His earthly ministry had just begun so I doubt His fame as a teacher had spread to where strangers would drop everything and follow Him.

[bikerdisciple]

With all of this research that he did you'd think that he would have realized that Christ was not a formally trained Rabbi. People called him 'rabbi' because rabbi means 'teacher'. In fact, Scripture says that Christ had NO formal training.

John 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

[GushervonMusher]

Yeah, we watched the NOOMA version of this message in our small group and I pointed out the same thing.

[KiwiChristian]

You are right, John 7:15, black and white. But He would have been trained from the age of 5 to 12 like all good little Jewish boy would have done.

[bikerdisciple]

Perhaps. But would Christ have needed the training? I would believe that as soon as His human brain had developed enough to have the capacity, He would have had knowledge beyond our comprehension. He was God in the flesh after all.

[KiwiChristian]

Its not a question of if He needed training (of course He diddn't) but after all He was Jewish

If you read Luke 2:21-24 you see Jesus was circumcised & was taken to Jerusalem, again good Jewish parents doing all the right Jewish steps.

Also Luke 2:41-50 you see Jesus at age 12, which is when He would have finished the standard study for all intelligent Jewish boys.

So maybe from age 12 - 30 it was Carpenter by day and Teacher by night?

[tylerazevedo]

if you read the context of the verse you quoted (John 7:15) you would know that Jesus was in disguise (key verse is 10). Simply put, they did not recognize Jesus until Jesus replies to them in verses 21-24. Which explains why the unbelieving Jews were confused and wondered why Jesus said people seek to kill Him in verse 20. Verse 25 is when the people acknowledge Jesus for who He is. Quite honestly, when they said that He never studied, they had no idea who He even was.

[ankhanuptep]

That was when he was twelve years old. The Bible doesn't say anything about what happened from then until age 30 or so. So really the only way to figure that out would be to check secular (or unaltered history) to find out whether or not christ had training. (he did by the way. and so did paul- from the pharasies no less- after his conversion to christianity.)

[tchristian04]

Paul was a pharasee and was trained before he was a Christian, not after

[hardmod777]

what church is he preaching at? I want to know who else is wrong...

[VitriolValerianIV]

Poor lad, prancing around in his mother's prayer shaul.LOLOLOL

[cwrlcjalm]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not, but it wasn't the mother who wore the prayer shaul... :)

[VitriolValerianIV]

I heard about this guy in a magazine somewhere. Thought he was going do something innovative with Christianity. Though Protestantism and Roman Catholicism is quite borish(to me at least), this man's approach to Christianity is Kabbalistic, at best. It's shaming to you as well as anyone who supports this man in his endeavors to bring people back into iconography. The literacy rate among most American Evangelicals is shocking, it isn't surprising they need a visual aid... ;)

[cwrlcjalm]

Yep, because Jesus NEVER used visual aids.

[VitriolValerianIV]

Quite right...

[djbro16]

@cwrlcjalm Take this cup, take this bread, this is my body, this is my blood.. What are you talking about??

[jelly4jesus]

@cwrlcjalm Like.

[b29349]

@cwrlcjalm yes he did - mountains, seeds, grapes, water, bread, birds, fish, trees, flowers, people, stones, olive press, and more.

[pockmarkedbuttocks]

You guys are STILL trying to defend your false teacher? How sad. Little Robbie Bell Bell does not preach/teach Lordship salvation or Election or Sin. Is he ashamed of the True Gospel?

[MChurchman]

okay...pock...marked...buttock­s...

Prove it. Bell clearly teaches Lordship...actually it is central to his entire teaching. He also teaches salvation of course as I've pointed earlier to some videos where he specifically makes this claim. Talks about sin as well...of course by talking about salvation he is indirectly speaking of sin as well. Election? Not sure on that one..but lots of denominations don't believe in Election and that doctrine has some issues as to how it relates to freewill

[wesley814]

Rob Bell does teach salvation and sin. You should try listening to his sermons before making ignorant remarks.

[MChurchman]

You are right on Wes. The issue here is that he doesn't necessarily present it using overtly religious language or 'buzz words', which makes some Christians uncomfortable...it's too bad really.

[cwrlcjalm]

I couldn't have said it better myself MChurchman.

[MChurchman]

My advice to those who don't like Bell...listen to his teaching...take away from it the things that are valuable, ask questions, and disregard the things you dont think hold up to scriptural scrutiny. You will never believe everything any particular pastor says and if you think you have it all figured out you are probably further from the truth then you assume. The beauty of our community lies in its diversity and in our unity on the major issues like salvation and the divinity of Jesus.

[awaitthegroom]

@MChurchman My advice to those who dont like Bells teaching- well done for reading and studying your Bible and not falling for cool modern culturally relevant nonsense .

[bwiens007]

style hammer you need to be a bit more gentle with your rebuking. i dont agree at all with rob bell or joel osteen or the emerging church. I think it is crap and its leading christians away from who the real God is and its basically taking the bible and throwing it out the window. This stuff is crap. May i suggest people like John Macarthur and Mark Driscoll or John Piper. rather than this prosperity gospel crap that is in no way related to the bible. If people read the bible they would see.

[MChurchman]

hey bwiens007, I just read your last comment and wanted to clarify something. Bell doesn't teach the 'prosperity gospel crap' you are referring to. I am also troubled by the emergence of that sort of teaching, as it is clearly rooted in North American culture as opposed to the Bible. Theo-capitalism is not what Jesus taught as far as I can tell from my own study of scripture. Teachers like Bell have stood against this sort of teaching for a long time now actually.

[cwrlcjalm]

Thank you mchurchman. Both bwiens and hammer sound to me like they come from the same cult- I mean monastery- I mean church.

[TheStyleHammer]

Fortunately, the true Elect are not being deceived by smarmy, twerpy-acting individuals like Robbie Bell. They require a true man of God that has a seriousness and soundness of speech that can rightly divide the Word of Truth.

[DerMoerder1]

This man is joking too much, and is mentioning the Old Testament over the new testament, as if Christ didn't tear down the veil yet.

[cwrlcjalm]

Just because the veil was torn doesn't mean the Old Testament is worhthless. And he's not talking about the OT over the NT. And what's wrong with using humor?

[cwrlcjalm]

What would constitute BS in Rob's message? Or are you just trolling?

[TheStyleHammer]

I'm not deceived by modern day EmergentChurch tactics like you kids are. For some reason today's Christian seems to gravitate towards these things. I'm reading SexGod right now and it is saying nothing about nothing. I long for true Bible teaching where a pastor would actually teach FROM the Bible - verse by verse in an expository way. Everything else is crap.

[cwrlcjalm]

Um... You're really saying a whole lot of nothing in that comment yourself. You didn't say one specific thing that was dishonest or not truthful in this video.

[TheStyleHammer]

Uh, I already said that verse by verse expository teaching IS true preaching of God's Word. Do you not have 'ears to hear' ?

[cwrlcjalm]

Well, God forbid anyone get the word out differently than you may approve of.

[TheStyleHammer]

Is Robbie Bell really getting the Word out? In Velvet Elvis he practically denies the Virgin Birth and Jesus's Divinity. In that Christianity Today article he says he looks at the Bible as 'a product of human hands'. And his number one influence is Brian McClaren - a known heretic! Why do you defend this guy?

[MChurchman]

ACtually if you listen to what Bell was really saying, he was addressing various challenges from outside of Christianity and saying that EVEN IF they were true would you lose your faith. Does you faith in Christ and the Gospel rely on the virgin birth. McClaren "is a known heretic'...man you religious type never cease to amaze me. The Bible is a product of human hands? Like you mean God didn't put pen to paper? Surprising!

[MChurchman]

Robbie Bell does not deny the virgin birth, Jesus' divinity, or the trinity, which is why you used the word "practically" here. You are making claims you can't back up. The bible IS the product of human hands...Christians dont view the Bible in the same way Muslims view the Qu'ran. It didnt just fall from the sky. Inspired by God, human hands put the pen to paper. Sheesh.Please pray for discernment on this issue and check yourself because there are obviously some personal issues at play here.

[MChurchman]

Don't sweat this guy. He would much rather play 'the accuser' then actually work through things in honest dialogue.

[MChurchman]

"Like you kids are"...Man I could go verse for verse with you brother so step back from the condescending tone. You probably think the only bible interpretation that is relevent is from the Medieval times. Even though we know there have been mistakes in translation from this era.

PS- Rob Bell DOES do sermons that go verse by verse in an expository way...also people have different styles of learning so to call one way of teaching the TRUE bible teaching is incredibley ignorant.

[TheStyleHammer]

My tone is not condescending but rather accusatory and more of a stinging rebuke of New Age Mystics that masquerade as Christians. Did you also embrace the Seeker-Friendly Movement and the quasi-Prosperity Gospel of Joel Osteen? If so, then you will probably be deceived by this stuff too...

[MChurchman]

Nope...not a big Olsteen fan actually. Nice tyro though.

[MChurchman]

Accusatory is right! What was the word Paul used for satan...hasatan...what does that word mean? Just wondering. Actually I'm just going to stop replying to these religious types. They won't even engage in Biblical studies of their positions. They just make accusations blah blah blah. I'll leave that work to the holy SPirit.

[TheStyleHammer]

You comparing me to Satan is just like the Pharisees accusing Jesus of casting out demons BY Satan. You just unmasked yourself as a modern day Pharisee. Nice...

[MChurchman]

Well actually I asked you a question about a word. I never specifically compared you to Satan:)...but let me get your next analogy right...you are saying that you slandering Rob Bell without biblical evidence to support it is like Jesus casting out demons? Wow, solid analogy:S Anyways, like I've said time and time again, if you actually have any basis for your accusations feel free to hit me with a PM so we can look through the issue together. If not, just go on accusing people ofbeing pharisees

[simple33333]

Hey Grandpa John Brown I want my 15 seconds, of my life, back from reading this comment. Where in the bible does it command us to be utterly redundant. Even Stevie Wonder can see you're a generation 2 late. Just because Rob Bell is so ahead of his time... his parents haven't even meet yet and you can't follow him... doesn't mean it's crap. Verse by Verse?? Like Jesus did in his parables??

[TheStyleHammer]

Jesus spoke in parables because He was fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 6:9,10. He was purposely hiding Truth from the Jews and revealing Truth to His Disciples. Consult Matthew 13: 10-17. Jesus did NOT speak in parables to amuse the crowd or be cool by using word pictures - only His Chosen ones had 'ears to hear'.

[simple33333]

Exactly he used other methods then verse by verse when he spoke/taught. I like how you tried to twist it in to another point.Where do you get your info?? He clearly states he affirms the virgin birth, trinity etc..in Velvet Elvis. The proof is in the pudding. When I here Rob I want to follow(not just know)Jesus more and more and when I read your comment I think poor bitter soul. Anyway it has been fun. Godbless

[TheStyleHammer]

You missed the point of Jesus speaking in parables, please re-read my earlier post. Also, you can do your works and think you're like Christ, but unless you're TRULY Born-Again - the works will be burned up and your soul into outer darkness. Nice path little Robbie has you on....

[cwrlcjalm]

Dude, even the disciples missed the point when he spoke in parables. It's pretty incredible how narrow minded people like you are regarding teaching styles. That's all it really is too, a different teaching style. Rob is simply trying to bring people closer to Christ, how can you even suggest he isn't born again and is leading others in that direction. You are insane dude.

[MChurchman]

You hit the nail on the head. It is a different style of teaching. The core message is the same.For some reason the Christian community has always been uncomfortable with change. It's like we feel threatened or something...its funny though because historically the ones who are labelled heretics by the religious folk end up being praised a couple hundred years later.

[chasong]

big deep 'hmmmmmmmmmm'....

[simple33333]

I wasn't sure which version I liked so I put in both. Godspeed

[TheStyleHammer]

I'm just glad I'm not covered in the dust of his B.S.

[blahco4]

baruch atah ha'shem