I believe what has been said has some level of truth in it. However, I live on another side of the language boundaries. My perspectives can be from another angle. I have written on Codes of reality. If any one is interested, they can google search for: Ved Codes of reality! What is language?
lol@Cujoh Humans are the only know creature to speak in languages... that humans understand. Animals speak languages, they're just not human-like. Don't discount their ability to communicate.
so in this context, the one "reading" and "storing" the language of DNA is the replicating cell itself right? Without the cell the DNA is just a long chain molecule floating in the sea, with nothing to "read" it it's meaningless.
@wakeangel2001 "Without the cell the DNA is just a long chain molecule floating in the sea, with nothing to "read" it it's meaningless."
You must have never watched Law & Order or Bones or any of those cop shows. The sequence alone can tell you whether two people are related, what kind of animal it is, even what part of the world the animal's ancestors came from.
@sarabellumm but that's because someone is reading it, I know all the awesome stuff we can do with DNA, but my point was that it's just another molecule if nothing is there to read it, whether the thing reading it is a living cell or a scientist. Also the scientist wouldn't exist if there wasn't a cell to read that DNA first.
btw, I LOVE CSI and other forensic shows, I even watched the original run of the new detectives back when it was on the discovery channel, before CSI existed.
@wakeangel2001 "my point was that it's just another molecule if nothing is there to read it,"
Which is true for any book or newspaper. It is just thin tree bark unless someone is there to read it. They doesn't mean Dawkins book or a scientific textbook doesn't contain information in printed language form, just because it is an unread copy. A tree falling in the forest does produce sound waves, even if no one hears it. A book or DNA helix does contain information, whether read or not.
@wakeangel2001 "but without a reader that information is meaningless."
All language is meaningless without a reader or hearer. You aren't distinguishing the information in DNA strands from any other language medium, whether book, newspaper, speech or broadcast.
@sarabellumm I never intended to distinguish DNA from any other kind of language, I was agreeing with the video, which described DNA as a language that is read by something, in this case a living cell.
@wakeangel2001 " I was agreeing with the video, which described DNA as a language that is read by something,"
And I am pointing how how stupid that sentence is because every language has to be read by something. Why not just call it a language? There isn't any language that communicates anything without being read by something.
So somehow the abrahamic god spoke words and things came into existence, except Human are the only known creature to speak in languages, and are very different everywhere you went. Food for thought
I believe what has been said has some level of truth in it. However, I live on another side of the language boundaries. My perspectives can be from another angle. I have written on Codes of reality. If any one is interested, they can google search for: Ved Codes of reality! What is language?
Ved036 8 months ago
hmm...I just learned something new today. Thanks ThinkAthiest.
Sergs9000 10 months ago
The genetic code is information. It isn't unfair to call that a language in the broadest sense.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
lol@Cujoh Humans are the only know creature to speak in languages... that humans understand. Animals speak languages, they're just not human-like. Don't discount their ability to communicate.
CaraColeen 11 months ago
The unicorn was totally hitting in the girl...
MrNDSteinbach 11 months ago
Explaining basic facts to morons who can't do a five cents of thinking for themselves... or just thinking for the sake of it for that mather.
sapunec7854 11 months ago
so in this context, the one "reading" and "storing" the language of DNA is the replicating cell itself right? Without the cell the DNA is just a long chain molecule floating in the sea, with nothing to "read" it it's meaningless.
wakeangel2001 11 months ago
@wakeangel2001 "Without the cell the DNA is just a long chain molecule floating in the sea, with nothing to "read" it it's meaningless."
You must have never watched Law & Order or Bones or any of those cop shows. The sequence alone can tell you whether two people are related, what kind of animal it is, even what part of the world the animal's ancestors came from.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm but that's because someone is reading it, I know all the awesome stuff we can do with DNA, but my point was that it's just another molecule if nothing is there to read it, whether the thing reading it is a living cell or a scientist. Also the scientist wouldn't exist if there wasn't a cell to read that DNA first.
btw, I LOVE CSI and other forensic shows, I even watched the original run of the new detectives back when it was on the discovery channel, before CSI existed.
wakeangel2001 11 months ago
@wakeangel2001 "my point was that it's just another molecule if nothing is there to read it,"
Which is true for any book or newspaper. It is just thin tree bark unless someone is there to read it. They doesn't mean Dawkins book or a scientific textbook doesn't contain information in printed language form, just because it is an unread copy. A tree falling in the forest does produce sound waves, even if no one hears it. A book or DNA helix does contain information, whether read or not.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm well yeah, of course it has information, but without a reader that information is meaningless.
wakeangel2001 11 months ago
@wakeangel2001 "but without a reader that information is meaningless."
All language is meaningless without a reader or hearer. You aren't distinguishing the information in DNA strands from any other language medium, whether book, newspaper, speech or broadcast.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm I never intended to distinguish DNA from any other kind of language, I was agreeing with the video, which described DNA as a language that is read by something, in this case a living cell.
wakeangel2001 11 months ago
@wakeangel2001 " I was agreeing with the video, which described DNA as a language that is read by something,"
And I am pointing how how stupid that sentence is because every language has to be read by something. Why not just call it a language? There isn't any language that communicates anything without being read by something.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@wakeangel2001 nothing is actually being read though... it is just a series of cascading chemical reactions.
PinkProgram 11 months ago
So somehow the abrahamic god spoke words and things came into existence, except Human are the only known creature to speak in languages, and are very different everywhere you went. Food for thought
Cujoh 11 months ago
What exactly is "meaning" and why can the DNA molecule not store it, but molecules in a brain or computer somehow can?
Zimy0 11 months ago
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Zimy0 11 months ago
Thanks for your upboats! :)
WeThinkAtheist 11 months ago