Fighting Talk Pt 1

[Redstar226]

Antifascista siempre, la luche sigue

Solidarity from Ireland

[ugforthewin]

lol

[BeepStratten]

Great video on xtheaimx 's channel showing some modern day fash (SDL) hitting children and women LAST SATURDAY- fascism is alive and kicking- take action!

[theworldvideos1]

This was recorded on BBC2 as part of the Open Space programme, which ran from 1983 until 1995. This episode was called Fighting Talk, and was shown on 18th May 1992.

[alphafoxtrotalpha1]

For some reason I can't upload to this channel anymore, so I've set up a new one here.

[1988theLAW]

Oh and i am working class and ex-forces as is most my family and there is alot that is appealling to the working class but if anyone truly believes that Nationalism will be better than even the corrupt capatalist cess-pool we have now then you would be an idiot.

The system as it is needs tearing down and a new one built by the proletariat, for the proletariat.

[1988theLAW]

Nationalism / fascism is stupid it is neo-fuedalism and a backwords step for backwards ppl, im from the north of england wich is pretty much the heart of the BNP but they are all bunch of idiots who dont like who dont like "funny looking people"

Anti-Islam (wich i do agree with i am Anti-Any religion)is being used by the BNP as a gimmicky grab for power.

[MinutemanUK]

You idiot ... you speak like you have a real passion ... so much so you appear to spout venomously!

Aggressive.

Also you haven't got a clue about History or

Sociology.

The laughable thing is ... you are living in a world that is totally different to your Eden.

How many groups can you put into the word fascist?

I would not even like to go there ... but your ethos and that of antifa is a fascist group!

This is the truth ... and if you don't know that ... you're a bigger idiot than first thought.

[Nationalism4Life]

The racist attacks he is talking about are racist attacks against non-Whites. Vote BNP, everyone!

[theporksicle]

@Nationalism4Life

He probably is just talking about attacks on non-Whites because they seem to refuse to accept any non-White group could be racist and those of them who do acknowledge that seem to disregard them is insignificant because of some 'power structure' bullshit.

The point is that a foreigner killing an Englishman or vice versa is murder and unless you value one life above the other you will treat them the same, ironically these lot in spite of being English value foreign lives more.

[Nationalism4Life]

Yes, and many English people have been attacked by immigrants, and a lot of the time, it has been out of racism. We have accepted a Cultural Marxist system in this country. They control the media, and the education system. The Labour party are made up of mainly former Communists. I'm glad people are starting to wake up, and are now voting BNP.

[theporksicle]

I don't think its Marxism in practice, it borrows some elements of Marxist thinking, the non-economic elements, and then places them under the banner of ' social justice' and 'anti racism' and dresses them up as liberalism.

Although arguably breaking down the natural and healthy boundaries that exist between people of different subraces/ethnicities/races is allowing them to pave the way for a transition into a 'raceless, classless' society (i.e. socialism).

[theporksicle]

The BBC I think are the worst offenders in this respect, they are supposed to be a public service, financed directly by licence payers to provide high quality programming and journalism. And yet it seems like a fair proportion of their documentaries have an obvious political slant, anything to do with crime/death penalty/immigration is political.

I don't think the BNP are necessarily the answer, but they're a symptom of British people's discontent if nothing else.

[Nationalism4Life]

The BNP are the only answer. Just take a look at every other political party we have in this country.

Next general election, vote BNP [X}

[BeepStratten]

@Nationalism4Life lol!

[TheEphos]

@Nationalism4Life The leadership of the BNP looks to various European far-right formations for influence - so-called Euro-nationalists. The success of Jean-Marie Le Pen of France’s Front National has been a major influence, and the rebranding of the direct genealogical descendant of Mussolini’s Fascisti. A direct example of the process undergone by the BNP recently, so what you are saying really is 'vote fascist'. That is alien to most here and voting for a fascist party will not solve anything.

[NiGhtMarEs0nWax]

just remember without Marxism you would be working 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for peanuts.

[ATTICUSFINCH51]

@NiGhtMarEs0nWax This is a great point I've had to make many a time with many a person. It's true. "Conservative" or not, your life is better because of Leftist action.

[TheEphos]

@NiGhtMarEs0nWax Slave camps are fascist inspired.. "Work Makes Free" is the sign above Auschwitz.

[rmckim]

bloody peasants

[theporksicle]

I'm suprised these "champions of the working class", here in Britain, like Jews either- I thought you would hate them because they're usurers and good with money? Or is it only fashionable to hate White Anglo-Norman capitalists?

Once again, more double standards in Marxism.

[bjarczyk]

We hate hierarchy and domination of all forms, not races of people. Race is irrelevant to abolishing class hierarchy, except in the fight against white supremacy. Thus, All power to the people!

You hate Jews because you are simple-minded.

[theporksicle]

I never said I hated Jews. So you oppose White supremacy but not Jewish supremacy?

What about what's been done to the Palestinians?

[arnoldxxx]

There is no double standard. We hate capitalism, and in some cases the capitalists themselves, but not because they are christians, muslims or jews, but because they are capitalists! Why hate a jew?

[theporksicle]

@arnoldxxx

Why hate Jews, well because they're capitalists. If you hate capitalists you would surely hate them because they're a race of capitalists.

I'm pretty sure there are anti-semitic elements in the SWP but they're probably too afraid to speak up like everyone else is when it comes to Jews.

[juniorjunior69]

theporksicle - all I know is that the best part of you ran down your mums leg after the milkman climbed off her.

As always,

WORKING CLASS & PROUD

FUCK FASCISM

[theporksicle]

I asked an honest question and you have to be rude, why?

At least I know my father.

[juniorjunior69]

theporksicle  - the simple answer?

You're a cunt.

WORKING CLASS & PROUD

FUCK FASCISM

[theporksicle]

Why because I disagree with you? I guess the whole premise of anti-fascism is basically that people should not be allowed to express their beliefs, its basically leftwing McCarthyism.

[juniorjunior69]

theporksicle - You guess wrong.

Now haven't you got a shelf to dust you dirty anti-semite cunt?

WORKING CLASS & PROUD

FUCK FASCISM

[theporksicle]

No I just asked why you have to be so rude.

"Dirty anti-semite cunt"- I didn't know you were pro-israel.

[broersz]

because he's a petulant little child.

typical antifa, all slogans and insults, no answers or intelligence.

[broersz]

typical antifa, you have no clue how to answer any questions on your beliefs, just how to come up with crude pathetic and imature remarks about people you've never met.

you and the nazis are 2 sides of the same coin, controlled by the same hand....OPPRESSION!

i look forward to your abusive reply....

[juniorjunior69]

broersz - ha ha ha ha who pissed on your shoes you pompous twat??

FUCK OFF = )

[broersz]

i knew you wouldnt dissapoint.

how old are you ffs?

[juniorjunior69]

broersz - too old for you to groom you cunt.

WORKING CLASS & PROUD

FUCK FASCISM

[broersz]

typical antifa, no answers just slogans.

an embaresment to the working class and great britain.

a 40 year old man acting in this way is disgraceful, i just hope you're sterile and have'nt polluted this country with any offspring, that would be a crime.

[juniorjunior69]

WORKING CLASS & PROUD

FUCK FASCISM

[theporksicle]

You're working class and you oppose the BNP etc- this makes little sense to me as they seem to speak for the British working class. They are in favour of a strong welfare state, care for the elderly, poor and disabled and the establishing of a proper, efficient apprenticeship system and the elimination through statuatory measures elements in society who are dangerous to the British worker.

[clmac915]

They don't really it's just populism?

[theporksicle]

Why do these anti-fascists all seem to view everything through the prism of class warfare? They're basically substituting one prejudice (racial) for another (class).

[VerboseThread]

@theporksicle Because class is a concrete thing which affects us everyday and links working class people all over the world whilst race is a bunch of pseudo-scientific bollocks that gives excuses for dividing people, bigotry, violence and death.

[theporksicle]

Nope, race is coded in our DNA pal, our morphology, our thinking and our culture. Class is fluid at best, you can from worker to bourgeois, in the Marxist way of thinking anyway, simply by saving up and buying a shop and then hiring someone to work in it.

If you're a Caucasian, or even within that if you're a Norman or a Basque or an Angle or a Saxon, you WILL be that until you die, you have been bound to members of your tribe/ethnicity/race from birth.

[theporksicle]

Then of course there's the fact Marx openly supported the genocide of Slavs, Bretons, Basques and Highlanders- as well, presumably, of African tribal societies.

He wanted to eliminate in the "revolutionary holocaust" members of any ethnic group which was not yet capitalist as he deemed them racial trash and unable to become revolutionaries.

[VerboseThread]

Who even mentioned Marx? I'm not a Marxist (big or little 'm') so find another straw man to attack me with.

So what if someone can go from worker to bourgeois by saving up and employing people? That isn't the point, the point is that capitalism, by its very nature, is exploitative and degrading and places fetters on human development through placing people into useless jobs like insurance, financial services, banks etc instead of into socially useful activities.

[theporksicle]

Insurance is socially useful, good luck getting a flight anywhere if the airplane company can't get insurance for it.

I was simply pointing out being a "worker" doesn't mean anything- you've got far more in common with the people you share your heritage with, who speak the same language as you etc

[VerboseThread]

And race is not encoded in DNA, racial boundaries are fluid at best due to the natural movement of people and saying that being born into one race places expectations upon you is essentialist rubbish. If you're basing it on physical characteristics then you're a century too late pal, phrenology was discredited a long time ago.

[theporksicle]

Not really- I think you'll find certain diseases etc are more closely associated with certain populations. This means belonging to a tribe/subrace/ethnicity does have implications beyond what you look like and where you live.

Either way its more important than being a "worker"- its delusional to think poor Blacks like poor Whites more than they do rich Blacks and vice versa.

[blagamuffin]

Good stuff!!!

[juniorjunior69]

molly0000000s when you're done with giving BanastreTarleton1 a reason to live, direct him towards us will you? Cheers.

The spineless fascist cunt had a no show at notts and I've still got a half brick and pair of size 9's to mash into his tiny fucking skull.

C'mon BanastreTarleton1, you can do it. Turn off the computer and take your twisted views onto the street you little shit x

[BanastreTarleton1]

It's easily rectified if you really wanted to, just drop me a line, but mouthy commies like you have to have peer approval and just can't get on with it quitly can you eh? Just carry on playing to the crowd 'Junior' I will let people make their own minds up who is all mouth etc

[juniorjunior69]

BanastreTarleton1 you spineless fash cunt. I've already sent you meet up details and you shit it.

Ha ha ha ha peer approval? Love it!

The whole point of calling you out publicly as a chinless fash bastard is to show others that your kind are full of shit and are not something to be scared of.

Now meet up or fuck off.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Get in touch then you clown and stop mouthing off from behind the safety of a computer screen...easy

[juniorjunior69]

(yawn) Oh, I get it...

THIS is the bit were you deny all contact made by me and try to make out that you're NOT a spineless fascist shitter.

Same old, same old. The previous offer I sent you still applies you sad little cunt.

Big and tough fascists? Ha ha ha ha I shit em! = ) x

[BanastreTarleton1]

What contact? The reds are all the same and you fit the bill to a tee, all mouth gonna do this and that now you're bricking it and lying to boot, carry on you joke

[juniorjunior69]

ha ha ha ha BanastreTarleton1, what an immense twat you are.

Twisting and turning like a typical fascist shit bag.

My offer still applies. Show up and stop making an utter cunt of yourself.

Somehow I don't think you've got the balls my little fash fuckwit! = ) x

[molly0000000s]

But in reality, there is no middle class, so you can't conveniently brush away people by placing them in a different economic category to you because you don't agree with them. I wouldn't argue you're not working class because you're a bit of a knob. The thing you're right about is there is a class war, one where the working class is being shat on. And by parroting the government's line, the EDL are actively supporting that, by demonising working class Muslims and supporting nationalism.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Molly, there is 'no middle class' because you have been identified as middle class, very convinient. Typical middle class red attitude, change the goalposts whedn losing an argument. I can assure you I know exactly what working class identity is all about, after all this (once) great country was built on the blood, sweat and tears of working class people. Calling people a 'knob' also shows your level of debate when challenged or an opposing view is put forward.

[BanastreTarleton1]

I know I am right about the class war, the EDL aims although 'parroting' government agendas re foreign wars (which is a mild irrelevance) should be viewed more importantly as working class politicisation and empowerment. Getting working class people out of the pubs and onto the streets should be viewed positively, if you were working class and with your level of education you would appreciate this, as you don't it makes your class (middle) even more apparent

[molly0000000s]

I've noticed you seem to be wanting an argument with everyone on here; haven't you owt better to do with your time? Or the ability to not act mental? Amusing either way.

It's baffling how you think Thatcher empowered the working class, the woman that declared society dead, and there only individuals. She was the woman who wanted and did break working class communities, solidarity and economic power. Nationalism just make you a puppet dancing to the tune the state wants you to.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Thatcher broke down traditional class boundaries more than any pseudo-socialist government has done. She didn't break working class communities, the trades unions did that with irresponsible politically motivated actions which damaged workers more than manangement, brought the country to its knees and checked the working class struggle for decades, all in the name of socialism. What colour is the sky on your world Molly?

[molly0000000s]

Sorry for the wait fella, but unlike some, there's other things to be doing than YT.

We've already cleared up what an economic middle class would be, and I'm not a manager of any sort. Rather you think sociology is a good quantifier; that an owner of a company exploiting his or her workers is working class because he came from council housing or the like. It goes without saying that it's not a very useful way looking at society.

[TheEphos]

By their very nature - the Nazis are deceptive liars, distorting and exploiting the real issues of racism and immigration for opportunistic

gain.

[molly0000000s]

And I'll put it down to youthful naiveté that you reckon there's an official 1.6+ million unemployed (and no doubt, more unofficially), and it's all because they're lazy, even the ones that had jobs but were made redundant. Not sure what I put down the notion of work being noble to though, maybe youthful ignorance. When you've worked a day in your life, then you can pass judgement as to how noble it is slaving away for a fraction of pay despite how much you produce.

[molly0000000s]

AFA also never had anything to do with the SWP, considering it was led by the anarchist group DAM, now known as Solfed. But on a related tangent, modern anti-fascism was a response to the neo-Nazis attacking paper selling and stalls actually. You've evidently not heard that the NF no longer exist in this day and age, with it's singular man and his dog membership.

But this is all basic stuff. You're a wee boy talking about things you know fuck all about and were before your time. Ssh.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Molly, typical middle class socialist response. Wee boys eh wee boys who live the reality of Britains inner cities, rather than spouting redundant platitudes which say nothing to me about my life. There is a class war going on in this country, and you and your middle class socialist mates are the real enemy of the British working classes. You and your left wing politics are the reason we are in the mess we are today,

[molly0000000s]

Given "middle class" is sociological term, and sociologically, I'm not middle class at all, you're wrong. Even economically, you could say management equate to the middle class between the working class and ruling class, but I'm definitely no manager. So basically, you've not a clue. If you wish to bandy class about, least know what it is, what it means and who it encompasses.

[BanastreTarleton1]

economics have NOTHING to do with class. Class is solely about identity. The ruling class you refer to are different to who I have identified. Ordinary working class still need leaders, but leaders who identify with them and ones who haven't sold out. You can try and tie me up with sociological arguments all you like but they are just irrelevant, especially post-Thatcher (who truly empowered the working class more than ANY Labopur government)

[molly0000000s]

The ILO estimates that approximately two million workers lose their lives annually due to occupational injuries and illnesses, with accidents causing at least 350,000 deaths a year. For every fatal accident, there are an estimated 1,000 non-fatal injuries, many of which result in lost earnings, permanent disability and poverty. The death toll at work, much of which is attributable to unsafe working practices, is the equivalent of 5,000 workers dying each day, three persons every minute.

[theporksicle]

The greatest irony to me is not so much that these 'anti-fascists' exist but that they view it through the prism of 'class warfare'. The fact is many of these AFA people are proponents of an ideology which has taken 10 times as many lives as fascism has- if they were middle of the road liberals frightened about the consequences of extremism perhaps their thuggery would be more pallatable.

[molly0000000s]

Class warfare has taken 10 times as many lives, you are bang on there. Only it's not bosses that are counted in that death toll, it's both employed and unemployed workers.

Since you're a boy at school who knows nothing about the world of work (nor judging by your favourites, good music or politics), your ignorance is forgiveable. But read the following stats, wise the fuck up and realise your life is mapped out as a cog in the machine for the next 60 years, if you're lucky to reach that age.

[theporksicle]

Unemployed 'workers' lol. AFA are anti-freedom of speech, how would they like it if I punched someone selling the Socialist Workers because the if the SWP got into power they would steal everyone's second homes? Same argument AFA use to justify beating up NF, other than they say its to protect minorities.

[molly0000000s]

Considering the dole was implemented as a wage to quell the aggressive and organised unemployed of the 1930's, workers is spot on. Besides, whether someone is in employment or not, they only have their time to sell. That constitutes a worker.

If you wish to speak, speak sense; AFA don't exist anymore. Not only does complete freedom of speech exist nowhere, but it's ridiculous to grant it to those that seek to take it away from others.

[theporksicle]

So I assume you would be in favour of banning Stalinists from speaking in the same way as Nazis?

Your definition of a worker seems to rest on the assumption no-one is out of work because they're lazy- its always the 'greey capitalists' fault.

[TheTollundWoman]

@theporksicle

stalinists and nazis are two sides of the same coin. stalin and hitler both committed genocide, they both killed millions of Jews. also stalin and hitler made a deal to carve poland between them.

stalinism is fascism by any other name. they both want the state to control every aspect of peoples lives.

[molly0000000s]

As TheTollundWoman says, totalitarianism whether Stalinist and fascist are the same; libertarian communists like Otto Ruhle said that about the time both were a reality so this is nothing new.

Your strawman is a bit off the mark really, isn't it? There's no assumptions to be made, capitalism is a pyramid system, with only so few at the top, and many at the bottom. It's simple economics that there isn't jobs for all, and the ones we do have are shite and poorly paid.

[FightbackUK]

Free speech has never included the freedom to libel, to defame and to slander, has never included the freedom to laugh at a funeral or to shout "fire" in a crowded cinema - all of these are close metaphors for way the BNP abuse free speech

[molly0000000s]

This is more than double the figure for deaths from warfare (650,000 deaths per year). According to the ILO's SafeWork programme, work kills more people than alcohol and drugs together.

And these ain't figures just from the Soviet Union, Cuba or North Korea, this is worldwide. Whether a government calls itself communist or neo-liberal, they all have the blood of workers on their hands. AFA were proponents of an ideology that seeks to end all that, something most of us wouldn't mind.

[BanastreTarleton1]

He says on this film 'The fascists attacked me and wanted it to be my last gig because I have always been an antgi-fascist'.... well that's obviously a lie isn't it? I don't think that a swastika armband is your usual dress code for anti fascists is it, unless I'm missing something, I can't wait for someone to post that he wore it in the name of irony, that will be next....

[cockneyjack]

I was involved in making this film many moons ago, ( I appear once or twice as well!), and am very proud to have been so. The fight goes on, ask the members of the Welsh Defence League who were cluttering up A&E after their abortive demo in Swansea the other week.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Violence is your only resort is it 'cockney jack', it's amazing how UAF never put themselves up in front of a ballot box isn't it, then you'd have a mandate but we all know why you don't as the British electorate despise reds, too many people remember how red politics brought the ncountry to it's knees in the 70s

[theporksicle]

Good point- if, as these groups claim (and so do the BNP admittedly) that they have the support of the 'silent majority' then why don't they get elected on anti fascist platform?

[clmac915]

because their not political parties their pressure groups you fucken downy.

[theporksicle]

They're a pressure group yes, I don't know which of my comments you were responding to but I assume it relates to me asking why if they have the support of 'the working class' they do not get elected?

Well its a legitimate question, I'm not saying ANTIFA should register itself as a party I'm saying I don't see any parties with 'militant anti-fascism' as a tenet of their ideology getting a large number of votes which is telling.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Just because I have a modicum of intelligence you mugs automatically assume I am a wanker, dream on, you will be hearing more from me,.......

[juniorjunior69]

BanastreTarleton1-

I really really really really really really really really really really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO KICK YOUR FUCKIN HEAD IN. Please come to notts and get acquainted with my boot you miserable cunt.

Cheers x

[iamsime]

And I bet you wouldn't say anything to Mensi's face cos the big ugly bastard would fucking eat you and shit out the bones. Mug.

great upload, alpha. keep it up!

[BanastreTarleton1]

iamsime, of course he would wouldn't he, after all he is a big bad red who boasts of going round kicking in fascists, seems he was once one himself however eh....oops, how the past comes back to haunt some, he puts himself up there he reaps his reward, more coming soon, keep em peeled....

[iamsime]

Like I said, he used to have some bad ideas, SO WHAT? what the fuck has that got to do with anything now? if that's the best argument you have, it shows your lack of maturity and understanding.

[BanastreTarleton1]

It has everything to do with now. How can someone who wore a swastika armband (which I have never done as I have always known our mongrel nation fought against and defeated the 'master race which the swastika denotes) start quoting the Jewish victims of the holocaust? Because it suits his agenda now doesn't it. Griffin isn't given the same courtesy regarding his old views on holocaust for instance is he? Your argument is flawed I'd give up now mate.....

[iamsime]

It suits his agenda now? this was made about 15 years ago! People change their minds when a stronger argument comes along. You should try it - I'm much happier now I don't have a massive chip on my shoulder.

Comparing Griffin's views to Mensi's is a sign that you have no argument. You can't compare apples with pears. If you think Mensi is a closet fascist then you should take it up with him. Try the Upstarts' website as you can contact him there. Let us know how you get on.

[BanastreTarleton1]

With that reasoning simon, how do you know he hasn't changed his views yet again and isn't goosestepping round south shields (sorry pattaya) in full SS dress uniform? Hey he might have even joined the EDL eh...... now touring the streets looking for lone UAF members to kick in.... carry on carrying on....

[iamsime]

see you've gone into pure fantasy land now. you've got nothing concrete to say or else you'd say it. you lose. end of conversation.

[BanastreTarleton1]

How constructive was your comment 'go and say it to Mensi's face'??? Pot, kettle and black come to mind Simon, oh am I still allowed to say that?

[iamsime]

What the fuck are you on about now? You're nowt but an internet warrior.

Now fuck off and make another fake youtube account - cowards the lot of you.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Fake youtube account? I take it your first name is iam is it? Losing the argument are you?

[juniorjunior69]

BanastreTarleton1 -

I've offered to go toe to toe with you you cunt. Get your sorry arse to notts this sat so I can stamp on your tiny fuckin head you dirty fash twat.

You got more mouth than a cow's got arsehole you soft cunt x

[iamsime]

Banastre - SO WHAT? Mensi got it wrong but he soon got clued up and became an anti-fascist once he started to learn the reality of the situation. Same as Matty from the Blaggers, same as Ricky Tomlinson and the same as me. I used to put NF stickers up and go round bullying Pakistanis with my brother's gang in the early 80s. But then you grow up, your mind develops and you become a mature person. Once you are a mature, thoughtful person being anti-fascist is the only logical position, you prick.

[BanastreTarleton1]

Mensi on Enoch Powell:

I'll tell you who I thought was a really good politician who got slagged down, and that was Enoch Powell. I don't think he was a racist at all, he just predicted things that DID happen. He was probably the most under-estimated politician of all time, until he was exiled in some remote Irish constituency. The papers branded HIM as a racist. If the NME get hold of this fanzine and read this interview they'll brand ME as a racist. I think he should have been Prime Minister

[CY2290]

SFW - Ricky Tomlinson used to be in the NF, which he later put down to having been "politically naive"

[BanastreTarleton1]

Mensi on the SWP:

'I'm sure they do, they had a march in London, one of these "troops out" things. I went down just to clock the situation. It's the same faces all the time, these poxy students with long hair, glasses and shoulder bags.

[juniorjunior69]

BanastreTarleton1-

The SWP are middle class cunts. The BNP are fascist cunts. Your point is??

[BanastreTarleton1]

Junior, if you took your head from out of your arse for one second, you might realise there is a class war going on in this country, right, left whatever you are if you are working class your identity is being eroded, trouble is clowns like you are so worried about fascism you are blind to what is really going on....

[BanastreTarleton1]

Some classic Mensi quotes:

On being English...

'What makes a Scotsman proud to be Scottish, what makes an Irishman proud to be Irish. The trouble is there's not enough people in this country who are proud to be English'

(Taken from 'Rising Free Fanzine' no. 3.)

[BanastreTarleton1]

Seems the reds are deleting any posts they can't answer, that's their brand of democracy though isn't it,

[rmckim]

the peasants are revolting.

[clmac915]

their the ones who do all the work

[theporksicle]

BTW I may be a 'fucken downy' but at least I know the difference between their and they're.

[clmac915]

its youtube, I don't have to worry about spelling, at least i talk sense

[TomaPartizani]

No Pasaran

[CY2290]

No blackmafia71 - AFA disbanded years ago

[Birminghamsnumber1]

Indigenous white working class culture, you red filth are just the tools of the middle class sunday socialists

[Huggles4Everyone]

Yeah, like that horny handed son of wealth, Nick Griffin you mean? Twat.

[Birminghamsnumber1]

Who gives a fuck about Nick Griffin? That is the thing with you reds,you only have the BNP to throw at people. If people defend their culture and way of life, if they're white indigenous English they must be fascist in your twisted warped trot view. The reds in the UK are so gutted they were born to late to fight Franco you have been looking for fascism, even where it doesn't exist, ever since. Tools of our REAL master, the white middle class socialists...

[Britishnwelshloyal]

Kick the red's kick the red's all we could do was kick the reds in.

[theblackmafia71]

Is this the same AFA that shit themselves back in Manchester not long ago !? or the same AFA that were run all over the shop by 2 lads from the LSC recently in leeds!

Or is it the same AFA that got battered in Paisly recently !!! lol! this Menzies sounds like a right cunt and is a fuck all no mark!

[juniorjunior69]

what the fuck are you on about theblackmafia71? More fairytales from you bonehead cunts. Leeds is fuckin 365 terriority and you know it you soft twat.

[juniorjunior69]

NEVER give our streets to the fascist scum.

[fittonhillbilly]

AFA have gave up hahahahahaahhah

[LKayL1]

I can't stand far right-wing fascist scum.

[Mr19bee77]

What a surprise to see uk fightback here....

This explains alot,your still stuck in the eighties but the world has changed around you,your so against the EDL thinking its still the80's,early 90's but things hav changed did you watch Darcus Howes documentry?

Its a very dif landscape uk you need to wise up mate!

[UKfightback]

If you'd actually bothered to read the comments I posted here Mr19bee77 they explain how I in fact DISAGREE with the people whose interpretation of these issues is (as you put it) "stuck in the eighties" - you twerp

[Birminghamsnumber1]

They claim to be fighting for the workers, which workers? Not the white working classes that is for sure, they have facilitated twhite middle class socialist rule by allowing them to dismantle our culture and our heritage, which our forefathers fought for, respect every culture, bar our own, the typical attitude of the self flaggelating chattering classes who these reds represent. - AFA the footsoldiers of the middle classes

[didz83]

hahaha, what crap. The victories of our forefathers were won fighting side by side of workers of all races and nationalities, unions have always been anti-fascist and it is through these unions that things like the 8 hour day were won.

[UKfightback]

This is a brilliant documentary so thanks for posting, and it does make many good points, but class struggle rhetoric does more harm to Anti-Fascism than good. It misunderstands the socio-economic ambitions of migrant communities and the aspirational working class, alienates at least 50% of potential supporters, and plays into the hands of the BNP (who use strategies like the BNP's "Real AFA" scam to covertly encourage divisions between liberal and militant Anti-Fascists).

[Mr19bee77]

oi Fightback

[didz83]

You could also say that class is still the best position from which to undermine the arguments of the BNP and the Multiculturalism that they've adpoted. That's not to say that people who have a comfrotable job and own a home can't be anti-fascists as well.

[UKfightback]

In the 1980s Thatcher's Tories understood that the aspirations of most working class people do not conform to the stereotypes that followers of the major Victorian leftist ideologies (Marxism, Communism, Anarchism) project onto them, and the Tories exploited their psychological advantage to the hilt. The Tories seduced working-class voters with discount property, creating a long-term shortage of council housing whose legacy the BNP now misrepresent as an issue of immigration.

[UKfightback]

It's no coincidence the AFA documentary's best evidence of Fascist collusion with the ruling class came from 1930s Glasgow, as that was the last time class analysis of British Fascism really worked. After minor embarrassments like losing WW2, (a few daft bats like Francoise Dior and Lady Jane Birdwood notwithstanding) in the UK at least the SERIOUS capitalists pegged Fascism for being a bit of a liability, and funded "libertarian" right-wingers like the Institute for Economic Affairs (who...

[UKfightback]

...pioneered the sale of council housing), Aims of Industry, Adam Smith Institute, and (when it came to actual strike-breaking) the Freedom Association instead. Having said that the BNP are trying to court the rich, industrialists, land-owners and aristos etc with a policy of abolishing income tax, and this policy could attract funding for the BNP, and is (at least potentially) a serious threat to working people, so this would be a good policy to expose when campaigning against the BNP

[Justavaragejoe]

brilliant upload thanks 5 *