"But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are Christ, the Son of the living God". Jesus replied: "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah". — Matthew 16:15-17
We find this in John 3:16, but the Pauline letters reference Jesus as the sacrifice. If John 3:16 was a 1-off statement, why does Hebrews 10:10 say that we are sanctified by the death of Jesus?
See Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
Funny---when Adam begat Seth it meant he was his father, just as when Noah begat Shem, Ham, Japeth, it also meant he was the father, yet when Our Heavenly Father says, This is my ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, in whom I am well pleased, the terminology is changed by those who doubt.
Jesus Christ coming was foretold. He is Immanuel, Emmanuel, God With Us....The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Isaiah 7:14 and Matt 1:23 and John 1:1-14
The question to ask is WHY did Father send His Son?
@31MegaMike, In so far that god has raised him, thereafter Jesus will raise the rest of humanity and lead many Sons to glory.
Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."
Emmanuel can just as easily be intrepreted as...God's favour and blessing is with us. An ambassodor is a representative of his country with all the honour, respect, privileges and worship paid to him. However he is not the actual nation but is the one sent on behalf of his nation,the glory and honor he receives is on behalf of his nation. cont
@DocHoliday1882 "Emmanuel can just as easily be intrepreted as...God's favour and blessing is with us. An ambassodor is a representative of his country"
Wow Doc...what can I say to that? Our Heavenly Father sent His ONLY begotten Son, Emmanuel, God with Us, to die for our sins and bring about the comforter-The Holy Spirit where we have a direct line to Our Father and yet you wish to demote Jesus willing and loving sacrifice to that of a mere human ambassador....wow.
@RememberPaulRevere, I only used it as an analogy which is a mere shadow of the actual and glorious event of what Jesus has accomlished through the Spirit of his Father.No one will ever to able to fully comprehed God's love and mercy set forth through the cross of his Christ. Your reaction and abohrrence, to my biblical views is what I would expect from a Roman based theology which pushes Jesus out of the realm of humanity and into the realm of myth and demigods.
@DocHoliday1882 "Your reaction and abohrrence, to my biblical views is what I would expect from a Roman based theology which pushes Jesus out of the realm of humanity and into the realm of myth and demigods."
I admit, I do NOT recognize the being you claim as Jesus Christ. The version you speak of is NOT TRUE as it is written in the Word of God.
The myth that you claim I speak of is written and shown AND Biblical, not based on man's tradition. Isaiah 29: 13-24
"I admit, I do NOT recognize the being you claim as Jesus Christ."
I would be surprised if you were to, the apostasy which would come upon the world after the departure apostles, would be a great deception amd one which would gibve the world a different Christology.All know is that I will not accept a Jesus other than the Son of Man who became Son of God.. for that was the one who the apostles preached.cont
@DocHoliday1882 "the apostasy which would come upon the world after the departure apostles"
Yes, to claim Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior was begotten of the dead, that He had an unknown earthly human father, that Father birthed him, that Jesus was rebuked as a child, that Jesus was not the Son of God until after He died and rose from the dead--this to name just the top on the list, are ALL things FALSE and not in the Word.
Paul tells us Roman 1:1-32 as to virgin birth...cont
@RememberPaulRevere ,You are forgetting, but that is what the Roman secular powers did, they just filled in the pieces and built up a Jesus to match their pagan aspirations. God does not mess about the the natural laws, which on the sixth day he said as good (complete), Gen 1:.31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.this modern teaching is an intermixer of Christianity and Mithraism.
@RememberPaulRevere, Even today, many Roman churches, particulary the Church of San Clemente in Rome still contain well-preserved mithraeums in their vaulted burial crypts. The lines that divided Mithraism from Christianity were understandably blurred due to this slow and steady absorption of Mithraism by Christianity during the centuries that the two existed side-by-side. This process led to the similarities which we now see shared by the two religions:
@DocHoliday1882 It is already well documented in Isaiah 7:14 as well as in the Matt, Luke
Paul teaches us on 3 levels....and also The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as spiritually those things mortal, corruptible but you don't believe in the trinity right? The 3 levels of the full Godhead, which are given so that WE "mankind" can better understand Father's Word.
Be that as it may, and God shall be our witness and judge for sure.
@RememberPaulRevere Isaiah 7:14 is nothing to do with a virgin birth or a a vigin . the word is maiden, corrected by most bible today, it was a prophecy given to King Ahaz and fullfilled during his lifetime.that the two Kingdoms who he feared would have their kingdoms destroyed and swept away. This would happen before the maiden, who's child, yet to be conceived would know right from wrong, usually 8 years of age. this is something acknowledged by most scholars today.
@DocHoliday1882 "Isaiah 7:14 is nothing to do with a virgin birth or a a vigin . the word is maiden, corrected by most bible today, it was a prophecy given to King Ahaz and fullfilled during his lifetime"
Really? Please provide her name and when this event took place. The ONLY virgin birth I know of written in the Word is that of Jesus Christ, born of the virgin Mary, who was the ONLY begotten Son of God.
@DocHoliday1882 Who is the god of the dead--death? Satan....so to say that Jesus was begotten from the dead is saying satan is His father!
Our Heavenly Father is the God of the LIVING---not the dead. And HE IS the Father of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, God with us. NO HUMAN mortal father is listed because one does NOT exist!
Death is an event, something which happens to all humans. this also Jesus endured to redeem mankind from the grave and corruption. Eccles 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all. 16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.
@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.."
Jesus rising from the dead is not in question. But before He Died on the cross, He was the Son of God and was still the Son of God afterwards.It was His blood sacrifice, Lamb of God, which brought us the comforter-the Holy Spirit, a direct line to Father thru His Son by prayer, and who washes away sin for those who believe and repent.
As a son of man of the promised bloodline, he was a Son of God. That title was one which originally was given to Adam before he sinned. Christ by God's calling was ordained,through the ancestry he descended from, this enable him to have the unique qualties for the role of the messiah.It is only because we are taught (conditioned) that the title Son of God, has more to it, than it meant. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
@RememberPaulRevere, If Jesus had been already been the Son of God, then by rising from the dead, he has accomplished nothing. The washing away of our sins, was achieved in that he bore our nature (human nature). The life he now lives is one of Spirit and immortality, our belief, and hope is that he rose from the dead and has now become the first born of all creation. It is in this sense that he is the only begotten son Of God.
@DocHoliday1882 Jesus Christ was SENT by Our Heavenly Father. His purpose was to offer salvation to the world thru His own blood sacrifice and in so doing, defeat DEATH aka Satan.
The Book of Hebrews is an excellent read explaining this Truth.
To understand the different bodies, read I Cor 15....Our Father explains it thru the Apostle Paul to perfection.
Our Heavenly Father loves His children and wishes that none should perish.
I agree that God raised Jesus up to be our saviour and deliver us from sin and the wages it pays..death! I am trying to understand why you connect physical death with the devil.
It was because Adam and Eve disobeyed God that they were driven from the garden of Eden and unable to partake from the tree of life, for had they done so they would not have died.
@DocHoliday1882 "It was because Adam and Eve disobeyed God that they were driven from the garden of Eden and unable to partake from the tree of life, for had they done so they would not have died."
I agree....They ate of the tree of knowledge-Good and Evil, as written in Gen 3:22-24
They were in the fig grove and made aprons of the leaves to hide their nakedness.
Jesus tells us the parable of the Fig tree. Mark 13:28 and also in Jer. 24
Afterwards,not sure if this is biblical, but seems they were allotted 1000 years of life..disobedience shortened their flesh life?
Per Gen 3:14-21 They were expelled from the Garden of Eden--where every need was opening met by Our Father, to toil in the soil, pain and sorrow at birthing multiplied to Eve...
Adam lived 930 years, Enos 905, Cainan 910, Mahalaleel 895, Jared 962, Methuselah 969, Lamech 777, Noah 950
Starting at verse 1, Paul explains Our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ to the faithful brethren which are in Colosse---....Yes, Our Father is the creator of all things and as such would be the FIRSTBORN of all things.
@DocHoliday1882 "Did you say, that God the Father is the firstborn of all creation?"
I didn't say that, Our Father said this thru Paul in Col 1:15 that you posted earlier....read it with understanding, starting at the beginning of the chapter.
@DocHoliday1882 "Yes, Jesus is the firstborn (begotten) in the order of the new redeemed creation."
Col 1:15 Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, (God)THE FIRSTBORN of every creature.
16 For by him(God) were all things created.
18 And he(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in ALL things he might have the preeminence.
19 "For it pleased the Father that in him(God) should all fulness dwell."
@RememberPaulRevereWhy are you also saying "God" being the first born of all creation, are you saying that God is a created being? Again your orthordoxed biased beliefs, overthrow the sound reason and teaching of the scriptures. Although creation reflects certain divine attributes, God as an individual cannot be compared to any likeness or image, in the literal sense of the word as "He" is Spirit.
@DocHoliday1882 "God as an individual cannot be compared to any likeness or image, in the literal sense of the word as "He" is Spirit."
Doc--you REALLY need to learn and understand the full meaning of I Cor 15!!!
Without this understanding you fail to see the whole picture of just who Jesus Christ was and is, or that all mankind are reflection images in the flesh to our spiritual bodies, which were created before our souls (intellect) were placed inside these flesh containers.
@DocHoliday1882 I agree that Col 1:14-20 tends to be confusing between he and him.....but if you believe that Our Heavenly Father beget Jesus Christ, and was our Saviour (Emmanuel--God with us), then you understand that Jesus was God's image--and was God,in the flesh body.
However,you also would know that Flesh is Flesh and Spirit is Spirit---we are not to worship the flesh, but Our Heavenly Father who is the Holy Spirit, Our Creator, Our Firstborn, the beginning of all things.
@RememberPaulRevere, It was not the dead body alone but the person of Jesus who was dead and in thehold of death and God the creator and Father raised him back to life, whereby God became his literal Father on that day.
"Prophecy Psalm 2:7 and fullfillment of prophecy Acts 13:33" God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day (rescurrection day) have I begotten you
@DocHoliday1882 "Acts 13:33" God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day (rescurrection day) have I begotten you"
AND what is 2nd Psalm about? What time frame? It is a WARNING to the heathen who rage, and the people who imagine a vain thing, kings of earth who set themselves and rulers take counsel together AGAINST the Lord and against His anointed.
"I agree that Col 1:14-20 tends to be confusing between he and him"
@RememberPaulRevere, I like the introduction to this comment, but then I lose the direction where it is heading. Yes I believe that Jesus is the image of God, as that is how God created the first man Adam, who also was a Son of God, but as Adam fell from grace God through the lives(DNA)of remarkable ancestors of Jesus, equiped him with a strong and descisive character in order to be the messiah and saviour.
@DocHoliday1882 "Adam fell from grace God through the lives(DNA)of remarkable ancestors of Jesus, equiped him with a strong and descisive character in order to be the messiah and saviour"
Adam and Eve were created specifically FOR the bloodline of Jesus Christ (Our Saviour) to be born from....that is why satan tried to corrupt it by beguling them in the garden of Eden, begetting Cain with Eve, thus was born the offspring of satan. Abel was the son of Adam, whom Cain murdered.
@RememberPaulRevere, I am so pleased to hear that you acknowledge that Jesus ultimately came through the male blood line, in other words he could not have come into being or existence. It is in this sense "He" Jesus came in the flesh.Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;" So although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God.1 Cor 15
@DocHoliday1882 "I am so pleased to hear that you acknowledge that Jesus ultimately came through the male blood line,"
Jesus Christ,Emmanuel-God with us- bloodline to Adam came thru Mary and OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS HIS FATHER--there was NO HUMAN MALE SPERM to help conceive him.
In today's words,Mary's womb was "quickened" artificially inseminated by Our Father in Heaven so His prophecy would be fulfilled.
Jesus birth was as all human's are BORN, but NOT His conception.
@DocHoliday1882 We are all created souls who existed 1st in spirit bodies.Then in obedience to Our Father, not as the fallen sons who seduced the daughters of men in the flesh and beget hybrid giants,we(our souls)are born of water & blood (thru the womb of woman)with no memory from before to be TESTED in the flesh to see who we will follow, Our Father or satan.When the flesh body dies,our souls are released back to Our Father who created it--in spirit body we return full circle.
"we(our souls)are born of water & blood (thru the womb of woman)with no memory from before to be TESTED in the flesh to see who we will follow, Our Father or satan."
@RememberPaulRevere This is an interesting topic, I would like yue to share more with me about it.
@RememberPaulRevere God preserved the pure blood line of our Saviour Jesus Christ, the remarkable men and women of faith in his (Jesus) lineage all contributed to the remarkable character and qualities he displayed while under trail and temptation. Even so God's Spirit drove him (Jesus) to the wilderness the be strengthen, in preparation for the things which lay ahead of him, the crucifixion. But God raised him(Jesus) by his (God's) own life giving Spirit. cont
@RememberPaulRevere In Psalm 21:4, there is a prophecy, where Jesus prays to God for eternal life and God hears and answers his prayer. This shows the human and mortal nature of Jesus which he inherited from his parents, and how he needed to be delivered from death to be the saviour of the world.
Psalm 21:4, He asked you for life and you have given him the length of days to an eternity of eternities (Or days without number)
@DocHoliday1882 "In Psalm 21:4, there is a prophecy, where Jesus prays to God for eternal life and God hears and answers his prayer."
What makes you think this is Jesus praying to God?(Jesus ALWAYS referred to God as FATHER)And what "prophecy"?
Our Father promised David that his line would reign for ever and ever.This was accomplished thru the virgin MARY and the birth of Jesus Christ,the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of Our Heavenly Father. Forever after the order of Melchizedek. Heb 5-7
@DocHoliday1882 "that is how God created the first man Adam, who also was a Son of God,"
We are all sons-children- of God, but there is only ONE BEGOTTEN Son of God and His name is Jesus Christ,Emmanuel--God with us,Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Son of Man refers to son of Adam(Eth-HA-a-dam) and Eve,this means in the literal genealogy sense of the word,a direct descendent of that specific bloodline in it's entirety--no outcross--no hybrids--no lines of satan or his followers.
"We are all sons-children- of God, but there is only ONE BEGOTTEN Son of God"
@RememberPaulRevere, I agree that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, from eternity, God created all things for him and with him as the purpose behind the existence of all things. For without him nothing would exist. But the bible delares that threre was a "day" when God declared that "He" Jesus became God's begotten Son and "He" God became his Father. Romans 1:4 cont
@DocHoliday1882 "Although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God."
Something to consider...What was the purpose of the Holy of Holies in the OT? and how does this change in the NT after Christ has risen--transfigured-from the dead and brings in the Comforter-The Holy Spirit?
@RememberPaulRevere The bible delares that threre was a "day"and time when God declared that "He" Jesus became God's begotten Son and "He" God became his Father.Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. and Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;) even Jesus Christ our Lord.
@RememberPaulRevere , Did you say no hybrids! but the teaching of the Roman Catholic Virgin conception as used in the word incarnation, goes into that forbidden territory of demi gods impregnating the daughters of men. This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true identity. I certainly would not want to give praise or honor to a pagan god renamed Jesus, as Paul warned that . 2 Cor 11:4 cont...
@DocHoliday1882 "goes into that forbidden territory of demi gods impregnating the daughters of men."
Religious doctrine plays no part in this Truth. The fallen rebellious sons left their 1st estate and chose wives of the daughters of men and beget hybrid children with them. (See Jude 1:5-8) There were giants in those days....Gen 6:1-7
Examples of their fornication-abominations are found in ancient drawings world wide...
@RememberPaulRevere Well said, we have to be aware that this did, infact take place in ancient times and which was the main reason God brought the flood upon the earth in the time of Noah.
@DocHoliday1882 "which was the main reason God brought the flood upon the earth in the time of Noah."
I agree and also the fallen sons had another influx during the time of Lot, which resulted in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.....and Jesus warns us they shall be returning in the end times doing the same things as before.
@RememberPaulRevere, This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true, human identity. I certainly would not want to give praise or honor to a pagan god renamed Jesus, as Paul warned that 2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
@DocHoliday1882 "This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true, human identity."
And this is why to have full understanding about WHO and WHAT Jesus Christ was they are included...Paul NEVER disavowed the apostles of Jesus Christ, why do you?
Especially when what Paul teaches is aligned with them, plus reveals even more of the mystery of God hidden from the foundation of the world.
@RememberPaulRevere, What do you mean that Jesus was not begotten from the dead. The scriptures clearly show that he (Jesus) was born a man of flesh and blood (mortal) 1st Cor 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. Jesus bore the same mortal body that all men do, his desire was to be born of incorruptible Spirit. Hebrews 5:7 cont
@DocHoliday1882 "What do you mean that Jesus was not begotten from the dead."
Because Our Heavenly Father is the God of the Living---not the dead, that would be SATAN.
Yes, Jesus Christ was born of woman, in part, so He would be able to "relate" to the weaknesses of man in the flesh
Jesus already was "incorruptible" spirit body, just as we all are at death, but unlike Jesus,we have a mortal soul, likely to die if we do not overcome and participate in the 1st resurrection.
@RememberPaulRevere The scriptures show that Jesus, as a son of man was subject to the same evetuality that all mankind are subject to...death! Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
@DocHoliday1882 "The scriptures show that Jesus, as a son of man was subject to the same evetuality that all mankind are subject to...death!"
YES..now read Heb 2:9-18 "Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death....that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man..16 For he took not on him the nature of angels, but...the seed of Abraham 18for in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.
@DocHoliday1882 I said, "To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY..."
I apologize to DocHoliday1882---Rev.1:5 states:"...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten(born) of the dead(corpse) and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood"
I may not like the wording as it subject to a double meaning, but it is written as stated.
@RememberPaulRevere But now that Jesus has been raised from the grave, he has been born of the Father's eternal and life giving spirit, never to die no more. As the God raised him from death he is the first born (begotten) from death and the grave.Don't let your orthordox indoctrination, blind you to the true identity of the humanity of Jesus, otherwise he becomes a different Christ..
@DocHoliday1882 "Don't let your orthordox indoctrination, blind you to the true identity of the humanity of Jesus,"
Orthodox indoctrination huh? I'm sorry you do not understand I Cor 15----I understand it perfectly well and the humanity of Jesus Christ is not an issue of mine, but I also understand WHO and WHAT he truly was.
@DocHoliday1882 To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY...when scripture plainly tells us He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of Our Heavenly Father at his birth (Emmanuel---GOD WITH US)....not after he was killed and rose again.
@RememberPaulRevere "To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY..."
I apologize to DocHoliday1882---Rev.1:5 states:"...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten(born) of the dead(corpse) and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood"
I may not like the wording as it subject to a double meaning, but it is written as stated.
@DocHoliday1882 Our Heavenly Father is the FIRSTBORN of all creation.
I Cor 15:20Jesus Christ became the FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept (did not know or believe in Him)
V45-47 The first man(Adam made a living soul) is of the earth, earthy; the 2nd man Adam (Jesus Christ-Emmanuel-God with us--made a quickening spirit) IS the Lord from heaven.
@RememberPaulRevere If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation"
Jesus Christ WAS PART of THE FATHER---Godhead, only in flesh body....the salvation plan came before Christ was even born and spoken of in Psalms....King David wrote of it...remember? This was the plan to save His children because Our Father loves them and wishes for none to perish as satan has already been judged to death.
@DocHoliday1882 Satan is the ONLY "named" being already judged to death...to perish to death---this is why satan is called and referred to as DEATH. Because of his rebellion, satan brought about the death sentence by Our Father.
At this time NO ONE else had been judged nor died a spiritual death--the 2nd death of the mortal soul.This does not happen until after satan is release for a little season. Rev. 20 Until judgement day,all are in heaven divided by the gulf. Luke 16:19-31
@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."
Father raising Christ body from the dead was for OUR benefit, not His..so mankind could see with their own eyes the transfiguration and believe upon Him, that He truly was the Son of God-God with us- and not just a mere mortal human man.
@RememberPaulRevere , the devils involment was he got Eve to believe the lie and Eve in turn got Adam to taste the forbidden fruit, therby they broke God's command and brought death upon all. God has the power over life and death, not the devil.
@DocHoliday1882 "the devils involment was he got Eve to believe the lie and Eve in turn got Adam to taste the forbidden fruit, therby they broke God's command and brought death upon all. God has the power over life and death, not the devil."
What is "THE LIE" and "taste the forbidden fruit"?
How can you blame Adam and Eve for death...they did not create him, he was already fallen and sentenced to death--to die. Their punishment is written Gen 3:6-24
@DocHoliday1882 Who did God curse? SATAN, the serpent and placed enmity between the two bloodlines, Adam and Eve (Abel) and that of satan & Eve. Cain murdered Abel--that took it to a new level, and he became the 1st murder.
Sex between Adam and Eve was not forbidden nor a sin, but being beguiled and having sex with the serpent surely was
God has the power true, and is using satan to bring about the fulfillment of prophesy and judgement.
@RememberPaulRevere, I would have to agree with what you written here... Yep there was more to the forbidden fruit, than an apple! Like you say, sex between adam and Eve was not sinful, as they were given to one another, it was what the serpent did that violated that holy union.
You will not find one of the apostle Paul's epistles acknowledging a Jesus born of a virgin. Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Here Paul had ample opportunity to used the all important word 'virgin', but no, Paul either has not heard that Jesus was virgin born, or no such teaching ever existed. I would say the latter, as the Spirit of God revealed all of the gospel unto Paul.
Paul warned that another Christ would be supplanted in place of the one he preached, he said that this would happen shortly after his departure and that the world would embrace this 'Christ', rather than the lowly Nazarene,rejected by religious systems.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
How are the dead raised, is it not by being birthed by God's almighty, life sustaining Spirit. .Jesus is the first born, begotten from the dead by the direct power and intervention of God, it is in this sense that he (Jesus) is the only begotten son of God, as thereafter Jesus raises the dead.
Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;
@DocHoliday1882 "begotten from the dead by the direct power and intervention of God,"
What are you saying here? "Begotten from the dead"?
Re: Romans 1:4 Jesus was declared the ONLY begotten son by the Living God the moment his spirit was placed in Mary's womb. Jesus was given power to heal and even raised Lazarus from the dead prior to His own crucifixion. Our Father RAISED resurrected Jesus flesh body from the dead and Jesus ascended into heaven to be with Our Father.
@RememberPaulRevere, It is what the scriptures clearly teach and not what I am saying here! The sentence "the moment his spirit was placed in Mary's womb" are not scriptural, but are your own volition, so therefore I can disregard them. It was not a spirit that was placed in mary's womb, but the seed of Abraham.
1 John 4:3"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, "
@DocHoliday1882 I was attempting to explain Paul's meaning in Rom 1:4
Agreed, the flesh bloodline "seed of Abraham" came thru Mary, yet think claiming 'begot from the dead" version explains how Mary conceived yet still a virgin? Matt 22:32 God of the Living
Beginning with Adam,Gen 1:26 each and every flesh body contains each and every individual spirit created from above and placed there by Our Heavenly Father. That is why we are called His children. 1st,2nd Epistles of John
@RememberPaulRevere , Mary alone cannot be the seed of Abraham as women do not have seed but eggs, that is how the creator has made things.Therefore the word "seed" is pertaining to male sperm and ancestry... as having come in the flesh, if Jesus had no human father then he is not the Son of man and at worst would be considered an imposter.
Oh but she IS, that is the whole point in Our Father being His Father and declaring Jesus Christ as His ONLY begotten son. Our Father created all things. Eve was created from Adam's DNA, the Helix curve, so creating the life of His ONLY begotten son Jesus, Emmanuel, within the womb of Mary is no problem for Him.
Son of man, means son of adam. In Jesus case, "S" is always capitalized as He is THE only SON begotten.
@RememberPaulRevere , You fail to recognise that the word seed is in regard of his (Jeresus) male bloodline, without which he could not have been a genuine human or the Christ (messiah).
SEED=Strong Concordance Hebrew #2233, Zera, "Zeh-rah": Fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity: x carnally, child fruitful, seed; Also #2232 Zara: Disseminate, plant, fructify, bear, conceive seed, set with, sower, yield.
SEED= Greek#4690 Sperma: something sown, seed( including the male sperm), by implying offspring spec. a remnant, fig. as if kept over for planting--issue, seed. Also #4687 Speiro
@RememberPaulRevere, Simply put, it is the reason why you and I and all humanity enter the world, the way God ordered it from the beginning...Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
@DocHoliday1882 ."Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
By your own comment.....Do you NOT understand who DEATH is from the verse you just posted here? Death is the devil....so how could Adam bring in death when satan the devil already existed?
@DocHoliday1882 "that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
Who killed Jesus in the flesh body? Satan did....and when he did this, the same sentence fell upon him. Satan exists only because Our Father has need of him to weed out those who refuse to follow Him and His Son Jesus. Rev. 20 tells us that after the coming tribulation, satan will be bound for 1000 years, then released one last time before he is toast.
@RememberPaulRevere, The "seed" as used in the holy scriptures as pertaining to a human bloodline is always reckoned through that of the paternal bloodline..hence the meaning of Son of David, Son of Joseph etc. In Scotland the use the word Mac as in MacDonald, which means Son of Donald.
@DocHoliday1882 , "Till Jesus overcame He was the mortal son of Man, now we see him as thee "Son of God", by virture of the Father birthing him to life.."
So now Father "birthed" Jesus?
Okay--I totally give up here. Refusing to follow The Word of God accounts is an issue that no amount of human revealing can correct if another is not willing to believe the True accounts.
@RememberPaulRevere, Don't give up, you are a good contender, the word of God and his will is stronger than all our weaknesses. The cross was about defeat and weakness, yet God chose it to display his power, glory and victory over sin and death.
@DocHoliday1882 "Don't give up, you are a good contender, the word of God and his will is stronger than all our weaknesses."
I too have enjoyed our discussion and know you love Our Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
I pray to Our Father to reveal His Word and Truth to us both. To keep us strong in His will and in Hope of His justice when He returns. Be at Peace Doc.
@RememberPaulRevere, As I do know your love for God and his Son is genuine too. Who am I to imping upon that, God choses us as we are and where we are at. Whatever differences we may have in the Kingdom of God all will be made plain and all doubts and human failings removed. Peace to you too.
I do not align myself to any one particular denomination, but look for the love of God in all things and situations. Church Organizations can be manipulative and are operate more on a political level, than smplicity of the gospel truth. Where love of God and neighbour is evident then the Spirit of Christ is present I do not tie myself to the system of organized religion.I have seen far to many abuses and hypocrisy from people in spiritual power and know to keep clear.
@DocHoliday1882 Son of man, means son of adam. In Jesus case, "S" is always capitalized as He is THE only SON begotten.
Let me add...Mary, Jesus mother, is pure in her lineage meaning that all lines go back to Adam and Eve via Seth. Jesus genealogy thru his MOTHER Mary, is given in Luke 3:23-38 Mary is a descendant of King David thru his son Nathan, and also a daughter of the Priest line Levi -Arron via her mother.Luke 1:5 This confirms Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
@RememberPaulRevere . The "S" as used to signify the Son of man, is that which the translators have done to show Jesus role was just a ordinary man, but as Israels Messiah he is saviour of the world. Certainly a capital "S" for Son in such as case as this is acceptable. You claiming that it is to do with him existing as a Son of God, before the Father had exhalted him, is reading into the scripture more that they allow.
The scripture clearly teaches, when and how God glorifed his Christ. It was, by his death on a cross, his rising from the grave (being clothed upon with immortality) and ascension (When he literally became, the very Son of, God clothed with power. Now being born of the Father's eternal Spirit he can die No more. cont..
@RememberPaulRevere, "Son of Man", As a Son of man, as a man of abraham faith and promise, he alreadly had a claim to the title Son of God. Which Jesus
acknowledged John 10;34 Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?
@DocHoliday1882 1 John 4:3"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, "
And what do you mean by posting verse above?
John 1:1-14 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God. In Him was LIFE and was the light of men. And the Word was MADE flesh.....Jesus Christ, Emmanual, God with us, was made flesh and dwelted among us. Full of grace and truth.Matt 1:23
Exactly as the scripture says, that the voice which denies that Jesus was a true Son of the Abrahamic seed (male lineage) is antichrist. 1 John 1:1-14 the original greek reads: "In the beginning was the Logos (concept of thought) and the Logos was with God . In it (neuter neither masculine or feminine) was LIFE and was the light of men. And the Logos (neuter) was MADE flesh... The operative word here was "MADE" identifying Jesus as an active part of God's creation.
@RememberPaulRevere, Here is the proof that Jesus came into the world as all men do...Hebrews 2:14 Since then the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
@DocHoliday1882 "Here is the proof that Jesus came into the world as all men do"
Jesus spirit was place into the womb of Mary and the child conceived was born of flesh and water, thru the womb of woman, that is written and NOT what I am disagreeing with as I have posted many scripture to that effect.
@DocHoliday1882 "It was not a spirit that was placed in mary's womb, but the seed of Abraham."
Okay, so where does our spirit-soul go when the flesh body dies? Why did John who was still in Elizabeth's womb, leap at recognizing Jesus in Mary's womb right after she conceived? Luke 1:26-48
@DocHoliday1882 "if Jesus had no human father then he is not the Son of man and at worst would be considered an imposter. "
Jesus Christ's father was Our Father, The Living God, aka The Holy Spirit,aka The Word,aka Our Creator of ALL things.
To state that Jesus had a human father is like saying that Our Heavenly Father is lying about Jesus Christ being His ONLY begotten Son.I think you are very confused about Jesus conception and about our spirits residing within the flesh body
@PaulRevere, Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, by virture of his rising from the grave and being born of the Father's eternal and incorruptible Spirit, whereby he(Jesus) can die no more. Col 1:15 recoginses this, claiming that he is the FIRST Born OF ALL CREATION, the FIRST and ONLY SON to be raised directly by the Father, hereafter Jesus will raise the rest of humanity at the appointed hour. This is why HE is the Only Begotten SON OF GOD. See COL 1:15 and Romans 1:4
@RememberPaulRevere, Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead? It is the hour when he(Jesus) will raise the dead for judgement. Matthew 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
@DocHoliday1882 "Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead?"
Yes, I "battle" them all the time and keep hoping they will read the WORD of God for themselves and stop believing and following the traditions, false teachings of men.
But I also know that slumber has been placed upon many and unless it is our Heavenly Father's will for Truth to be revealed to them, the seed of His Truth will not grow within them.
@DocHoliday1882 "Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead?"
I MUST correct myself here for my boast...it is the Power of the TRUTH of Father's Word that sets men free and brings understanding. Only He can make a seed grow.
My boast which I repent for--Sorry Father "Yes, I "battle" them all the time and keep hoping they will read the WORD of God for themselves and stop believing and following the traditions, false teachings of men.
@RememberPaulRevere, It is the time which the Father has determined as only he alone knows all things.Matthew 24:26 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Yes Doc, Jesus Christ was Emmanuel, God with us. Yes, Jesus flesh body, His image, the Only begotten son of Our Father added to that of the virgin Mary, was that image-spirit of Our Heavenly Father, only in flesh..
Jesus tells us If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.. John 14:8-14
@RememberPaulRevere Romans 1:4 "who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;" The above scriptural verse is a fullfillment of the prophecy of Psalm 2:7 Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Which the apostle Paul says was fulfilled only by Christ rising from the grave Romans 1:4
@RememberPaulRevere, Spirits residing in bodies is a pagan concept...as humans we have the breath of life and like the animals are mortal...on the day a man dies his thoughts cease. This make the rescurrection og Jesus vital in the salvation of mankind.
Eccles 3: 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; and man hath no preeminence above the beasts:
@DocHoliday1882 "Spirits residing in bodies is a pagan concept...as humans we have the breath of life and like the animals are mortal...on the day a man dies his thoughts cease. "
Pagan? wow...Yes the flesh body is mortal and dies. It also contains our spirit, our "essence" "soul" which Father created and placed inside at conception, which upon our flesh death, the silver cord breaks and is instantly released and returns to our Heavenly Father who gave it. Ecc 12:6-7
@RememberPaulRevere, God did not create man an immortal being,he created man a living Soul... Adams claim to life and immortality was conditional upon his obedience to God's command, when Adam broke the command he brought death upon all his descendants. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
@DocHoliday1882 "God did not create man an immortal being,he created man a living Soul..."
Yes I agree. Man was made from FLESH which dies, but upon death of the flesh body, the spirit contained within lives on and returns to Our Father who made to await judgement day. EX of the Gulf in heaven.... The rich man and the beggar...Luke 16:19-31
"soul" which Father created and placed inside at conception, which upon our flesh death, the silver cord breaks and is instantly released and returns to our Heavenly Father who gave it. Ecc 12:6-7
@RememberPaulRevere, If this is the case, everyone goes to heaven at death,even before Jesus went to Calvary to die for our sins... So death is not an enemy! 1 Cor 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
@DocHoliday1882 "everyone goes to heaven at death," YES THEIR Spirit returns to the Father to AWAIT JUDGEMENT
"even before Jesus went to Calvary to die for our sins... So death is not an enemy!"
AGAIN, I ask WHO IS DEATH? It IS The DEVIL..satan..the serpent...Father of Cain..the destroyer...the son who perishes...son of perdition...the dragon...lucifer...the beast...antichrist..little horn..King and prince of Tyrus..the cherubim who covereth..a son of God who fell from grace
@RememberPaulRevere, No, not everyone goes to heaven , if mankind have immortal souls, then Christ death on the cross for mankinds redemption from the death/grave would have been of no value. King David is awaiting the rescurrection...In Acts 29:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Yes they do. There is a GULF that separates the right-side from the left-side. Recall the scripture posted directing you to ---The rich man and the beggar---it explains it well the separation between them.
When the flesh body dies, the spirit-soul returns to the Father who gave it. Where is our Heavenly Father? In Heaven. Heaven is where ever our Father resides.
If death is not an emeny, then why is the it the payment for sin? Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. You seem to be of the belief, that death is not death, unless you understand that death means death, how can you appreciate what the hope of eternal life means. God created man as a living soul, just as the animals are living souls.
@DocHoliday1882 Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Doc, This is telling you about Eternal life of the SPIRIT that is within these clay pots, flesh bodies, which instantly goes back to Our Father in HEAVEN upon the death of the flesh, to AWAIT Judgement DAY.
Those who believed in Christ during their walk in the flesh body, yet have died, are already WITH Him in heaven. Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit.
@RememberPaulRevere, I have enjoyed speaking with you and I am sure despite of religious differences and points of view, both respect each other. I will let you have the last sayas this sort of debate could go on for quite a long time.
@RememberPaulRevere, Yes, but eternal life only is only obtained only by being 'Born Again of the Spirit', by a rescurrection from the dead.Psalm 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied , when I awake , with thy likeness.
@RememberPaulRevere, Job 14:13 "O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would conceal me, until your wrath is past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!" If God does not remeber us, death and corruption will hold us captie, free among the dead who he rememebrs no more. Pslam 88:5 "Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand."
Satan IS death....and he is sin, being the 1st SINNER (He rebelled against Our Father taking 1/3 of the angels with him in the fall from Grace). His son Cain via his seduction-beguiling of Eve, is the first murderer. Cain murdered righteous Abel, his maternal twin brother. Gen 3-4...the serpent, the glistening one, satan
Yet satan's plan to destroy the woman, Mother Eve, failed. Seth was born and the Saviour's bloodline endured.
@DocHoliday1882 "Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, by virture of his rising from the grave and being born of the Father's eternal and incorruptible Spirit.."
Jesus was the Son of God before and at conception and afterwards. Jesus was innocent of sin in the flesh and also in the spirit, therefore already incorruptible, even before he was crucified on the cross and before He was raised from the grace and ascended to Our Heavenly Father.
@RememberPaulRevere, I am afraid that is the christianity you have inherited through the secularisation of Christianity, under the hand of Emperor Constantine which he orchestrated through the authorising the first emmunical First Church Council of Niaea (A.D. 325) It was nothing to do with truth, but a wrestling for power and control over the hearts and minds. which is what Constantine wanted. If you are happy beleving in it, that is up to you.
@DocHoliday1882 "I am afraid that is the christianity you have inherited through the secularisation of Christianity, under the hand of Emperor Constantine which he orchestrated":
I doubt that seriously because I do not attend any organized divided denominational church. Most do not teach "Precept upon precept" nor according to the two churches Christ approved of, Smyrna and Philadelphia...I would take a look and see if yours follow those teachings. Rev. 2:8-11 and Rev. 3:7-13
@RememberPaulRevere. With due respect, you may doubt that you wre not influenced, but whether you went to a particular church or not makes no difference. You see you have already been influenced by the trinity formular. The fact is, Jesus asked God for immortality, never ending life. Psalm 21:4 He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. The rest of what you have said about organized religion (Churches) I am in agreement with.
@RememberPaulRevere, In Psalm 21:4 , there is a prophecy which testifies that Jesus he (Jesus) asked God for eternal life and immortality, only a man of flesh and blood could ask for this. Psalm 21:4 He asked life of You, You gave it to him, Length of days forever and ever.
@DocHoliday1882 Regarding Ps 21...I agree, it refers to Jesus Christ, Our King of Kings, Lord of Lords. If you believe the prophets were guided by Our Father to write His Word as spoken and given, then accurately translated for the most part in the KJV, then you should know that David was also a prophet. This psalm talks about God's Saviour, He who sits on the Right hand of Our Father, who upon his return,shall divide the Tares from the Wheat during the end of this earth age.
@RememberPaulRevere, Please compare this with the previous quote...Hebrews 5:7 "As a mortal man, he offered up prayers and appeals with loud cries and tears to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his devotion to God."
@DocHoliday1882 "Please compare this with the previous quote...Hebrews 5:7 "As a mortal man,"
You can not in any part of the Holy Bible prove that Jesus Christ had a human father, so why keep posting scriptures which do not back up this fallacy?
Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of Our Heavenly Father via the virgin Mary. He was spirit, then became flesh thru the conception via His mothers womb and was born of water, just as all sons of man were. He was Emmanuel, God with us.
The proof is recorded in the scriptures that Jesus was conceived as all humans are conceived, albeit out of wedlock. We do not need to know who his earlthly father was as it was his role and calling of God which was relevant.cont
@DocHoliday1882 "We do not need to know who his earlthly father was"
Jesus had NO earthly father....it is written, Our Heavenly Father IS Jesus FATHER...yes, Jesus spirit was place in the womb of Mary at conception and Jesus was born of water from His mother's womb, just as all men are.
The point being made that the fallen sons of God "fallen angels" DID NOT do this, but seduced the daughters of men instead.
We are born in the flesh as a TEST, Obedience to Our Heavenly Father.
@RememberPaulRevere, Paul, is aware of the myth of pagan gods impregnating humans females and in he reminds the early christians that Jesus came as a true Son of Man, according to the flesh 2 Timothy 2:8 "Always remember that Jesus Christ, a descendant of King David, was raised from the dead. This is the Good News I preach.:"
@DocHoliday1882 "Paul, is aware of the myth of pagan gods impregnating humans females"
Not a myth, the sons of God --fallen angels--fallen sons of God--left their 1st estate and habitation and seduced the daughters of men and begat hybrid (Giants)children, they were to be born of the womb of woman, and instead seduced them in the flesh. This includes Cain, the son of Satan & Eve, and Cain's offspring mixed with the wheat, the Kenites-Tares. , Gen 6:1-7 and Jude 1:3-16
@RememberPaulRevere,Yes I do understand about the Sons of God coming to earth to co-habitate with the daughters of men, this was in violation to God's command However as this is such a long time ago and those books of the bible which bear witness to this event have beenxcluded, many christians would doubt that this actually happened, but as we know behind every myth there is a hidden truth.
@RememberPaulRevere, Being born out of wedlock under the jewish law was looked down on and certainly it was not something which could be kept hidden in a Jewish society. Joseph raised the child as one of his own. Non of this would exclude him being God's chosen one and messiah, it is the heart and character which God looks upon, not the exterior imageas men judeg and despise others by.cont
"But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are Christ, the Son of the living God". Jesus replied: "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah". — Matthew 16:15-17
now shove that up your khyber pass!
kingbleah 1 week ago
The habib is strong with this one.
partyatmccartys 2 weeks ago
The words only begotten come from monogenes.
Mono = 1
Genes (Ginomial) born/birth
We find this in John 3:16, but the Pauline letters reference Jesus as the sacrifice. If John 3:16 was a 1-off statement, why does Hebrews 10:10 say that we are sanctified by the death of Jesus?
xenoranger79 1 month ago
See Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
Funny---when Adam begat Seth it meant he was his father, just as when Noah begat Shem, Ham, Japeth, it also meant he was the father, yet when Our Heavenly Father says, This is my ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, in whom I am well pleased, the terminology is changed by those who doubt.
Jesus Christ coming was foretold. He is Immanuel, Emmanuel, God With Us....The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Isaiah 7:14 and Matt 1:23 and John 1:1-14
The question to ask is WHY did Father send His Son?
RememberPaulRevere 2 months ago
@RememberPaulRevere is jesus the only begotten son of God?
31MegaMike 1 month ago
@31MegaMike, In so far that god has raised him, thereafter Jesus will raise the rest of humanity and lead many Sons to glory.
Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
Emmanuel can just as easily be intrepreted as...God's favour and blessing is with us. An ambassodor is a representative of his country with all the honour, respect, privileges and worship paid to him. However he is not the actual nation but is the one sent on behalf of his nation,the glory and honor he receives is on behalf of his nation. cont
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Emmanuel can just as easily be intrepreted as...God's favour and blessing is with us. An ambassodor is a representative of his country"
Wow Doc...what can I say to that? Our Heavenly Father sent His ONLY begotten Son, Emmanuel, God with Us, to die for our sins and bring about the comforter-The Holy Spirit where we have a direct line to Our Father and yet you wish to demote Jesus willing and loving sacrifice to that of a mere human ambassador....wow.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I only used it as an analogy which is a mere shadow of the actual and glorious event of what Jesus has accomlished through the Spirit of his Father.No one will ever to able to fully comprehed God's love and mercy set forth through the cross of his Christ. Your reaction and abohrrence, to my biblical views is what I would expect from a Roman based theology which pushes Jesus out of the realm of humanity and into the realm of myth and demigods.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Your reaction and abohrrence, to my biblical views is what I would expect from a Roman based theology which pushes Jesus out of the realm of humanity and into the realm of myth and demigods."
I admit, I do NOT recognize the being you claim as Jesus Christ. The version you speak of is NOT TRUE as it is written in the Word of God.
The myth that you claim I speak of is written and shown AND Biblical, not based on man's tradition. Isaiah 29: 13-24
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
"I admit, I do NOT recognize the being you claim as Jesus Christ."
I would be surprised if you were to, the apostasy which would come upon the world after the departure apostles, would be a great deception amd one which would gibve the world a different Christology.All know is that I will not accept a Jesus other than the Son of Man who became Son of God.. for that was the one who the apostles preached.cont
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "the apostasy which would come upon the world after the departure apostles"
Yes, to claim Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior was begotten of the dead, that He had an unknown earthly human father, that Father birthed him, that Jesus was rebuked as a child, that Jesus was not the Son of God until after He died and rose from the dead--this to name just the top on the list, are ALL things FALSE and not in the Word.
Paul tells us Roman 1:1-32 as to virgin birth...cont
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere ,You are forgetting, but that is what the Roman secular powers did, they just filled in the pieces and built up a Jesus to match their pagan aspirations. God does not mess about the the natural laws, which on the sixth day he said as good (complete), Gen 1:.31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.this modern teaching is an intermixer of Christianity and Mithraism.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Even today, many Roman churches, particulary the Church of San Clemente in Rome still contain well-preserved mithraeums in their vaulted burial crypts. The lines that divided Mithraism from Christianity were understandably blurred due to this slow and steady absorption of Mithraism by Christianity during the centuries that the two existed side-by-side. This process led to the similarities which we now see shared by the two religions:
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 It is already well documented in Isaiah 7:14 as well as in the Matt, Luke
Paul teaches us on 3 levels....and also The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as spiritually those things mortal, corruptible but you don't believe in the trinity right? The 3 levels of the full Godhead, which are given so that WE "mankind" can better understand Father's Word.
Be that as it may, and God shall be our witness and judge for sure.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere Isaiah 7:14 is nothing to do with a virgin birth or a a vigin . the word is maiden, corrected by most bible today, it was a prophecy given to King Ahaz and fullfilled during his lifetime.that the two Kingdoms who he feared would have their kingdoms destroyed and swept away. This would happen before the maiden, who's child, yet to be conceived would know right from wrong, usually 8 years of age. this is something acknowledged by most scholars today.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Isaiah 7:14 is nothing to do with a virgin birth or a a vigin . the word is maiden, corrected by most bible today, it was a prophecy given to King Ahaz and fullfilled during his lifetime"
Really? Please provide her name and when this event took place. The ONLY virgin birth I know of written in the Word is that of Jesus Christ, born of the virgin Mary, who was the ONLY begotten Son of God.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Who is the god of the dead--death? Satan....so to say that Jesus was begotten from the dead is saying satan is His father!
Our Heavenly Father is the God of the LIVING---not the dead. And HE IS the Father of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, God with us. NO HUMAN mortal father is listed because one does NOT exist!
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
Death is an event, something which happens to all humans. this also Jesus endured to redeem mankind from the grave and corruption. Eccles 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all. 16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.."
Jesus rising from the dead is not in question. But before He Died on the cross, He was the Son of God and was still the Son of God afterwards.It was His blood sacrifice, Lamb of God, which brought us the comforter-the Holy Spirit, a direct line to Father thru His Son by prayer, and who washes away sin for those who believe and repent.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
As a son of man of the promised bloodline, he was a Son of God. That title was one which originally was given to Adam before he sinned. Christ by God's calling was ordained,through the ancestry he descended from, this enable him to have the unique qualties for the role of the messiah.It is only because we are taught (conditioned) that the title Son of God, has more to it, than it meant. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, If Jesus had been already been the Son of God, then by rising from the dead, he has accomplished nothing. The washing away of our sins, was achieved in that he bore our nature (human nature). The life he now lives is one of Spirit and immortality, our belief, and hope is that he rose from the dead and has now become the first born of all creation. It is in this sense that he is the only begotten son Of God.
Col 1:15 the firstborn of all creation:
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 Jesus Christ was SENT by Our Heavenly Father. His purpose was to offer salvation to the world thru His own blood sacrifice and in so doing, defeat DEATH aka Satan.
The Book of Hebrews is an excellent read explaining this Truth.
To understand the different bodies, read I Cor 15....Our Father explains it thru the Apostle Paul to perfection.
Our Heavenly Father loves His children and wishes that none should perish.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
I agree that God raised Jesus up to be our saviour and deliver us from sin and the wages it pays..death! I am trying to understand why you connect physical death with the devil.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "I am trying to understand why you connect physical death with the devil."
Because it is written as such in I Cor 15....once you truly understand this chapter, The Word is clear.
Who was the first sinner? Satan--see Ez 28
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
It was because Adam and Eve disobeyed God that they were driven from the garden of Eden and unable to partake from the tree of life, for had they done so they would not have died.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "It was because Adam and Eve disobeyed God that they were driven from the garden of Eden and unable to partake from the tree of life, for had they done so they would not have died."
I agree....They ate of the tree of knowledge-Good and Evil, as written in Gen 3:22-24
They were in the fig grove and made aprons of the leaves to hide their nakedness.
Jesus tells us the parable of the Fig tree. Mark 13:28 and also in Jer. 24
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "partake from the tree of life" YES..Gen.3:22-24
Afterwards,not sure if this is biblical, but seems they were allotted 1000 years of life..disobedience shortened their flesh life?
Per Gen 3:14-21 They were expelled from the Garden of Eden--where every need was opening met by Our Father, to toil in the soil, pain and sorrow at birthing multiplied to Eve...
Adam lived 930 years, Enos 905, Cainan 910, Mahalaleel 895, Jared 962, Methuselah 969, Lamech 777, Noah 950
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Col 1:15 the firstborn of all creation:"
Starting at verse 1, Paul explains Our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ to the faithful brethren which are in Colosse---....Yes, Our Father is the creator of all things and as such would be the FIRSTBORN of all things.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Did you say, that God the Father is the firstborn of all creation?
I would have to say, that it is Jesus who is the frist born of all creation (begotten from the dead) and that it was the Father who raised him.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Did you say, that God the Father is the firstborn of all creation?"
I didn't say that, Our Father said this thru Paul in Col 1:15 that you posted earlier....read it with understanding, starting at the beginning of the chapter.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I am sorry if I mistook your earlier posting. Yes, Jesus is the firstborn (begotten) in the order of the new redeemed creation.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Yes, Jesus is the firstborn (begotten) in the order of the new redeemed creation."
Col 1:15 Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, (God)THE FIRSTBORN of every creature.
16 For by him(God) were all things created.
18 And he(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in ALL things he might have the preeminence.
19 "For it pleased the Father that in him(God) should all fulness dwell."
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
"(God)THE FIRSTBORN of every creature."
@RememberPaulRevereWhy are you also saying "God" being the first born of all creation, are you saying that God is a created being? Again your orthordoxed biased beliefs, overthrow the sound reason and teaching of the scriptures. Although creation reflects certain divine attributes, God as an individual cannot be compared to any likeness or image, in the literal sense of the word as "He" is Spirit.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "God as an individual cannot be compared to any likeness or image, in the literal sense of the word as "He" is Spirit."
Doc--you REALLY need to learn and understand the full meaning of I Cor 15!!!
Without this understanding you fail to see the whole picture of just who Jesus Christ was and is, or that all mankind are reflection images in the flesh to our spiritual bodies, which were created before our souls (intellect) were placed inside these flesh containers.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "Why are you also saying "God" being the first born of all creation, are you saying that God is a created being?"
Col 1:15-19 NO, but it is written and HE says He was the FIRSTBORN.
"Firstborn" in Greek #4416 Prototokos;first-born,firstbegotten
Also #4412 & 4413 Proton;neut. of Protos; firstly-foremost (in time,place,order, importance)before,at the beginning,first (of all)
Also #4253 Pro;"fore",in front of, prior (superior) to--above, ago, before,or ever.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 I agree that Col 1:14-20 tends to be confusing between he and him.....but if you believe that Our Heavenly Father beget Jesus Christ, and was our Saviour (Emmanuel--God with us), then you understand that Jesus was God's image--and was God,in the flesh body.
However,you also would know that Flesh is Flesh and Spirit is Spirit---we are not to worship the flesh, but Our Heavenly Father who is the Holy Spirit, Our Creator, Our Firstborn, the beginning of all things.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere, It was not the dead body alone but the person of Jesus who was dead and in thehold of death and God the creator and Father raised him back to life, whereby God became his literal Father on that day.
"Prophecy Psalm 2:7 and fullfillment of prophecy Acts 13:33" God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day (rescurrection day) have I begotten you
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "Acts 13:33" God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day (rescurrection day) have I begotten you"
AND what is 2nd Psalm about? What time frame? It is a WARNING to the heathen who rage, and the people who imagine a vain thing, kings of earth who set themselves and rulers take counsel together AGAINST the Lord and against His anointed.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
"I agree that Col 1:14-20 tends to be confusing between he and him"
@RememberPaulRevere, I like the introduction to this comment, but then I lose the direction where it is heading. Yes I believe that Jesus is the image of God, as that is how God created the first man Adam, who also was a Son of God, but as Adam fell from grace God through the lives(DNA)of remarkable ancestors of Jesus, equiped him with a strong and descisive character in order to be the messiah and saviour.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Adam fell from grace God through the lives(DNA)of remarkable ancestors of Jesus, equiped him with a strong and descisive character in order to be the messiah and saviour"
Adam and Eve were created specifically FOR the bloodline of Jesus Christ (Our Saviour) to be born from....that is why satan tried to corrupt it by beguling them in the garden of Eden, begetting Cain with Eve, thus was born the offspring of satan. Abel was the son of Adam, whom Cain murdered.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I am so pleased to hear that you acknowledge that Jesus ultimately came through the male blood line, in other words he could not have come into being or existence. It is in this sense "He" Jesus came in the flesh.Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;" So although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God.1 Cor 15
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "I am so pleased to hear that you acknowledge that Jesus ultimately came through the male blood line,"
Jesus Christ,Emmanuel-God with us- bloodline to Adam came thru Mary and OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS HIS FATHER--there was NO HUMAN MALE SPERM to help conceive him.
In today's words,Mary's womb was "quickened" artificially inseminated by Our Father in Heaven so His prophecy would be fulfilled.
Jesus birth was as all human's are BORN, but NOT His conception.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 We are all created souls who existed 1st in spirit bodies.Then in obedience to Our Father, not as the fallen sons who seduced the daughters of men in the flesh and beget hybrid giants,we(our souls)are born of water & blood (thru the womb of woman)with no memory from before to be TESTED in the flesh to see who we will follow, Our Father or satan.When the flesh body dies,our souls are released back to Our Father who created it--in spirit body we return full circle.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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"we(our souls)are born of water & blood (thru the womb of woman)with no memory from before to be TESTED in the flesh to see who we will follow, Our Father or satan."
@RememberPaulRevere This is an interesting topic, I would like yue to share more with me about it.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 Ecc 12:6-7 When the silver cord be loosed and returns to Our Father who gave it.
John 3:3-21 (Mistranslated as "Born again"--should be born from above as Jesus clearly explains earthly and heavenly things)
Romans 9:11-13 Children being not yet born, neither having done good or evil...Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated
I Cor 15....understand the different bodies
In a previous comment, I already posted about the sin of the fallen angels with the daughters of men
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere God preserved the pure blood line of our Saviour Jesus Christ, the remarkable men and women of faith in his (Jesus) lineage all contributed to the remarkable character and qualities he displayed while under trail and temptation. Even so God's Spirit drove him (Jesus) to the wilderness the be strengthen, in preparation for the things which lay ahead of him, the crucifixion. But God raised him(Jesus) by his (God's) own life giving Spirit. cont
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere In Psalm 21:4, there is a prophecy, where Jesus prays to God for eternal life and God hears and answers his prayer. This shows the human and mortal nature of Jesus which he inherited from his parents, and how he needed to be delivered from death to be the saviour of the world.
Psalm 21:4, He asked you for life and you have given him the length of days to an eternity of eternities (Or days without number)
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "In Psalm 21:4, there is a prophecy, where Jesus prays to God for eternal life and God hears and answers his prayer."
What makes you think this is Jesus praying to God?(Jesus ALWAYS referred to God as FATHER)And what "prophecy"?
Our Father promised David that his line would reign for ever and ever.This was accomplished thru the virgin MARY and the birth of Jesus Christ,the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of Our Heavenly Father. Forever after the order of Melchizedek. Heb 5-7
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "that is how God created the first man Adam, who also was a Son of God,"
We are all sons-children- of God, but there is only ONE BEGOTTEN Son of God and His name is Jesus Christ,Emmanuel--God with us,Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Son of Man refers to son of Adam(Eth-HA-a-dam) and Eve,this means in the literal genealogy sense of the word,a direct descendent of that specific bloodline in it's entirety--no outcross--no hybrids--no lines of satan or his followers.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
"We are all sons-children- of God, but there is only ONE BEGOTTEN Son of God"
@RememberPaulRevere, I agree that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, from eternity, God created all things for him and with him as the purpose behind the existence of all things. For without him nothing would exist. But the bible delares that threre was a "day" when God declared that "He" Jesus became God's begotten Son and "He" God became his Father. Romans 1:4 cont
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 Although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God.
1 Cor:15 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "Although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God."
Perhaps, but try explaining the transfiguration of Jesus in Matt 17:1-13 and Mark 9:2-13
Jesus was the exception to the rule because HE was part of the Godhead sent to mankind, by and of Our Father as Saviour to the world.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "Although Jesus was a genuine Son of Adam, he still had to be born of Spirit to stand in the presence of God."
Something to consider...What was the purpose of the Holy of Holies in the OT? and how does this change in the NT after Christ has risen--transfigured-from the dead and brings in the Comforter-The Holy Spirit?
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere The bible delares that threre was a "day"and time when God declared that "He" Jesus became God's begotten Son and "He" God became his Father.Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. and Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;) even Jesus Christ our Lord.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere , Did you say no hybrids! but the teaching of the Roman Catholic Virgin conception as used in the word incarnation, goes into that forbidden territory of demi gods impregnating the daughters of men. This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true identity. I certainly would not want to give praise or honor to a pagan god renamed Jesus, as Paul warned that . 2 Cor 11:4 cont...
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "goes into that forbidden territory of demi gods impregnating the daughters of men."
Religious doctrine plays no part in this Truth. The fallen rebellious sons left their 1st estate and chose wives of the daughters of men and beget hybrid children with them. (See Jude 1:5-8) There were giants in those days....Gen 6:1-7
Examples of their fornication-abominations are found in ancient drawings world wide...
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere Well said, we have to be aware that this did, infact take place in ancient times and which was the main reason God brought the flood upon the earth in the time of Noah.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "which was the main reason God brought the flood upon the earth in the time of Noah."
I agree and also the fallen sons had another influx during the time of Lot, which resulted in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.....and Jesus warns us they shall be returning in the end times doing the same things as before.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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@RememberPaulRevere, This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true, human identity. I certainly would not want to give praise or honor to a pagan god renamed Jesus, as Paul warned that 2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "This is why I will only accept the words of Jesus and the apostolic writings of Paul in regard of Jesus true, human identity."
And this is why to have full understanding about WHO and WHAT Jesus Christ was they are included...Paul NEVER disavowed the apostles of Jesus Christ, why do you?
Especially when what Paul teaches is aligned with them, plus reveals even more of the mystery of God hidden from the foundation of the world.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "(begotten from the dead) and that it was the Father who raised him."
NO-NO-NO....Jesus Christ was NOT begotten from the dead!!!
YES---Our Heavenly Father raised-(transfigured) the dead flesh body of Christ.....
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere, What do you mean that Jesus was not begotten from the dead. The scriptures clearly show that he (Jesus) was born a man of flesh and blood (mortal) 1st Cor 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. Jesus bore the same mortal body that all men do, his desire was to be born of incorruptible Spirit. Hebrews 5:7 cont
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "What do you mean that Jesus was not begotten from the dead."
Because Our Heavenly Father is the God of the Living---not the dead, that would be SATAN.
Yes, Jesus Christ was born of woman, in part, so He would be able to "relate" to the weaknesses of man in the flesh
Jesus already was "incorruptible" spirit body, just as we all are at death, but unlike Jesus,we have a mortal soul, likely to die if we do not overcome and participate in the 1st resurrection.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere The scriptures show that Jesus, as a son of man was subject to the same evetuality that all mankind are subject to...death! Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "The scriptures show that Jesus, as a son of man was subject to the same evetuality that all mankind are subject to...death!"
YES..now read Heb 2:9-18 "Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death....that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man..16 For he took not on him the nature of angels, but...the seed of Abraham 18for in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 I said, "To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY..."
I apologize to DocHoliday1882---Rev.1:5 states:"...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten(born) of the dead(corpse) and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood"
I may not like the wording as it subject to a double meaning, but it is written as stated.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere But now that Jesus has been raised from the grave, he has been born of the Father's eternal and life giving spirit, never to die no more. As the God raised him from death he is the first born (begotten) from death and the grave.Don't let your orthordox indoctrination, blind you to the true identity of the humanity of Jesus, otherwise he becomes a different Christ..
DocHoliday1882 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Don't let your orthordox indoctrination, blind you to the true identity of the humanity of Jesus,"
Orthodox indoctrination huh? I'm sorry you do not understand I Cor 15----I understand it perfectly well and the humanity of Jesus Christ is not an issue of mine, but I also understand WHO and WHAT he truly was.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY...when scripture plainly tells us He was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of Our Heavenly Father at his birth (Emmanuel---GOD WITH US)....not after he was killed and rose again.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere "To dare claim that Jesus was "begotten of the dead" is BLASPHEMY..."
I apologize to DocHoliday1882---Rev.1:5 states:"...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten(born) of the dead(corpse) and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood"
I may not like the wording as it subject to a double meaning, but it is written as stated.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 Our Heavenly Father is the FIRSTBORN of all creation.
I Cor 15:20Jesus Christ became the FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept (did not know or believe in Him)
V45-47 The first man(Adam made a living soul) is of the earth, earthy; the 2nd man Adam (Jesus Christ-Emmanuel-God with us--made a quickening spirit) IS the Lord from heaven.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation"
Jesus Christ WAS PART of THE FATHER---Godhead, only in flesh body....the salvation plan came before Christ was even born and spoken of in Psalms....King David wrote of it...remember? This was the plan to save His children because Our Father loves them and wishes for none to perish as satan has already been judged to death.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@DocHoliday1882 Satan is the ONLY "named" being already judged to death...to perish to death---this is why satan is called and referred to as DEATH. Because of his rebellion, satan brought about the death sentence by Our Father.
At this time NO ONE else had been judged nor died a spiritual death--the 2nd death of the mortal soul.This does not happen until after satan is release for a little season. Rev. 20 Until judgement day,all are in heaven divided by the gulf. Luke 16:19-31
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "If Jesus had not been raised from death and born of the Fathers eternal spirit, then there would have been no hope of salvation.1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."
Father raising Christ body from the dead was for OUR benefit, not His..so mankind could see with their own eyes the transfiguration and believe upon Him, that He truly was the Son of God-God with us- and not just a mere mortal human man.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere , the devils involment was he got Eve to believe the lie and Eve in turn got Adam to taste the forbidden fruit, therby they broke God's command and brought death upon all. God has the power over life and death, not the devil.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "the devils involment was he got Eve to believe the lie and Eve in turn got Adam to taste the forbidden fruit, therby they broke God's command and brought death upon all. God has the power over life and death, not the devil."
What is "THE LIE" and "taste the forbidden fruit"?
How can you blame Adam and Eve for death...they did not create him, he was already fallen and sentenced to death--to die. Their punishment is written Gen 3:6-24
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 I am just filled with an over whelming sense of sadness and loss.
I pray that Our Heavenly Father reveals His truth, according to His will.
Peace and wisdom be with us both.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I too wish you peace and may God grant wisdom to all those who hunger and thrist for truth, righteousnees and justice.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Who did God curse? SATAN, the serpent and placed enmity between the two bloodlines, Adam and Eve (Abel) and that of satan & Eve. Cain murdered Abel--that took it to a new level, and he became the 1st murder.
Sex between Adam and Eve was not forbidden nor a sin, but being beguiled and having sex with the serpent surely was
God has the power true, and is using satan to bring about the fulfillment of prophesy and judgement.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I would have to agree with what you written here... Yep there was more to the forbidden fruit, than an apple! Like you say, sex between adam and Eve was not sinful, as they were given to one another, it was what the serpent did that violated that holy union.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Ever find yourself telling yourself, this is the last comment, but can't seem to stop!! LOL...okay, one two three STOP!!! :-)
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
You will not find one of the apostle Paul's epistles acknowledging a Jesus born of a virgin. Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Here Paul had ample opportunity to used the all important word 'virgin', but no, Paul either has not heard that Jesus was virgin born, or no such teaching ever existed. I would say the latter, as the Spirit of God revealed all of the gospel unto Paul.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
Paul warned that another Christ would be supplanted in place of the one he preached, he said that this would happen shortly after his departure and that the world would embrace this 'Christ', rather than the lowly Nazarene,rejected by religious systems.
2 Cor 11:4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
How are the dead raised, is it not by being birthed by God's almighty, life sustaining Spirit. .Jesus is the first born, begotten from the dead by the direct power and intervention of God, it is in this sense that he (Jesus) is the only begotten son of God, as thereafter Jesus raises the dead.
Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;
DocHoliday1882 2 months ago
@DocHoliday1882 "begotten from the dead by the direct power and intervention of God,"
What are you saying here? "Begotten from the dead"?
Re: Romans 1:4 Jesus was declared the ONLY begotten son by the Living God the moment his spirit was placed in Mary's womb. Jesus was given power to heal and even raised Lazarus from the dead prior to His own crucifixion. Our Father RAISED resurrected Jesus flesh body from the dead and Jesus ascended into heaven to be with Our Father.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, It is what the scriptures clearly teach and not what I am saying here! The sentence "the moment his spirit was placed in Mary's womb" are not scriptural, but are your own volition, so therefore I can disregard them. It was not a spirit that was placed in mary's womb, but the seed of Abraham.
1 John 4:3"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, "
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 I was attempting to explain Paul's meaning in Rom 1:4
Agreed, the flesh bloodline "seed of Abraham" came thru Mary, yet think claiming 'begot from the dead" version explains how Mary conceived yet still a virgin? Matt 22:32 God of the Living
Beginning with Adam,Gen 1:26 each and every flesh body contains each and every individual spirit created from above and placed there by Our Heavenly Father. That is why we are called His children. 1st,2nd Epistles of John
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere , Mary alone cannot be the seed of Abraham as women do not have seed but eggs, that is how the creator has made things.Therefore the word "seed" is pertaining to male sperm and ancestry... as having come in the flesh, if Jesus had no human father then he is not the Son of man and at worst would be considered an imposter.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Mary alone cannot be the seed of Abraham"
Oh but she IS, that is the whole point in Our Father being His Father and declaring Jesus Christ as His ONLY begotten son. Our Father created all things. Eve was created from Adam's DNA, the Helix curve, so creating the life of His ONLY begotten son Jesus, Emmanuel, within the womb of Mary is no problem for Him.
Son of man, means son of adam. In Jesus case, "S" is always capitalized as He is THE only SON begotten.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere , You fail to recognise that the word seed is in regard of his (Jeresus) male bloodline, without which he could not have been a genuine human or the Christ (messiah).
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "You fail to recognise that the word seed"
SEED=Strong Concordance Hebrew #2233, Zera, "Zeh-rah": Fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity: x carnally, child fruitful, seed; Also #2232 Zara: Disseminate, plant, fructify, bear, conceive seed, set with, sower, yield.
SEED= Greek#4690 Sperma: something sown, seed( including the male sperm), by implying offspring spec. a remnant, fig. as if kept over for planting--issue, seed. Also #4687 Speiro
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Simply put, it is the reason why you and I and all humanity enter the world, the way God ordered it from the beginning...Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 ."Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
By your own comment.....Do you NOT understand who DEATH is from the verse you just posted here? Death is the devil....so how could Adam bring in death when satan the devil already existed?
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
Who killed Jesus in the flesh body? Satan did....and when he did this, the same sentence fell upon him. Satan exists only because Our Father has need of him to weed out those who refuse to follow Him and His Son Jesus. Rev. 20 tells us that after the coming tribulation, satan will be bound for 1000 years, then released one last time before he is toast.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
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Last comment....one last thought> Who is death? Read the covenant made with him in Isaiah 28:18-22 And the WOE'S in 29
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, The "seed" as used in the holy scriptures as pertaining to a human bloodline is always reckoned through that of the paternal bloodline..hence the meaning of Son of David, Son of Joseph etc. In Scotland the use the word Mac as in MacDonald, which means Son of Donald.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 , "Till Jesus overcame He was the mortal son of Man, now we see him as thee "Son of God", by virture of the Father birthing him to life.."
So now Father "birthed" Jesus?
Okay--I totally give up here. Refusing to follow The Word of God accounts is an issue that no amount of human revealing can correct if another is not willing to believe the True accounts.
I leave you in Peace Doc.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Don't give up, you are a good contender, the word of God and his will is stronger than all our weaknesses. The cross was about defeat and weakness, yet God chose it to display his power, glory and victory over sin and death.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "Don't give up, you are a good contender, the word of God and his will is stronger than all our weaknesses."
I too have enjoyed our discussion and know you love Our Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
I pray to Our Father to reveal His Word and Truth to us both. To keep us strong in His will and in Hope of His justice when He returns. Be at Peace Doc.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, As I do know your love for God and his Son is genuine too. Who am I to imping upon that, God choses us as we are and where we are at. Whatever differences we may have in the Kingdom of God all will be made plain and all doubts and human failings removed. Peace to you too.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882
Not important, but was just wondering, what church doctrine-organization do you follow...?
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
I do not align myself to any one particular denomination, but look for the love of God in all things and situations. Church Organizations can be manipulative and are operate more on a political level, than smplicity of the gospel truth. Where love of God and neighbour is evident then the Spirit of Christ is present I do not tie myself to the system of organized religion.I have seen far to many abuses and hypocrisy from people in spiritual power and know to keep clear.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Son of man, means son of adam. In Jesus case, "S" is always capitalized as He is THE only SON begotten.
Let me add...Mary, Jesus mother, is pure in her lineage meaning that all lines go back to Adam and Eve via Seth. Jesus genealogy thru his MOTHER Mary, is given in Luke 3:23-38 Mary is a descendant of King David thru his son Nathan, and also a daughter of the Priest line Levi -Arron via her mother.Luke 1:5 This confirms Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere . The "S" as used to signify the Son of man, is that which the translators have done to show Jesus role was just a ordinary man, but as Israels Messiah he is saviour of the world. Certainly a capital "S" for Son in such as case as this is acceptable. You claiming that it is to do with him existing as a Son of God, before the Father had exhalted him, is reading into the scripture more that they allow.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
The scripture clearly teaches, when and how God glorifed his Christ. It was, by his death on a cross, his rising from the grave (being clothed upon with immortality) and ascension (When he literally became, the very Son of, God clothed with power. Now being born of the Father's eternal Spirit he can die No more. cont..
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, "Son of Man", As a Son of man, as a man of abraham faith and promise, he alreadly had a claim to the title Son of God. Which Jesus
acknowledged John 10;34 Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 1 John 4:3"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, "
And what do you mean by posting verse above?
John 1:1-14 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God. In Him was LIFE and was the light of men. And the Word was MADE flesh.....Jesus Christ, Emmanual, God with us, was made flesh and dwelted among us. Full of grace and truth.Matt 1:23
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
Exactly as the scripture says, that the voice which denies that Jesus was a true Son of the Abrahamic seed (male lineage) is antichrist. 1 John 1:1-14 the original greek reads: "In the beginning was the Logos (concept of thought) and the Logos was with God . In it (neuter neither masculine or feminine) was LIFE and was the light of men. And the Logos (neuter) was MADE flesh... The operative word here was "MADE" identifying Jesus as an active part of God's creation.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Here is the proof that Jesus came into the world as all men do...Hebrews 2:14 Since then the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Here is the proof that Jesus came into the world as all men do"
Jesus spirit was place into the womb of Mary and the child conceived was born of flesh and water, thru the womb of woman, that is written and NOT what I am disagreeing with as I have posted many scripture to that effect.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "It was not a spirit that was placed in mary's womb, but the seed of Abraham."
Okay, so where does our spirit-soul go when the flesh body dies? Why did John who was still in Elizabeth's womb, leap at recognizing Jesus in Mary's womb right after she conceived? Luke 1:26-48
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "if Jesus had no human father then he is not the Son of man and at worst would be considered an imposter. "
Jesus Christ's father was Our Father, The Living God, aka The Holy Spirit,aka The Word,aka Our Creator of ALL things.
To state that Jesus had a human father is like saying that Our Heavenly Father is lying about Jesus Christ being His ONLY begotten Son.I think you are very confused about Jesus conception and about our spirits residing within the flesh body
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@PaulRevere, Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, by virture of his rising from the grave and being born of the Father's eternal and incorruptible Spirit, whereby he(Jesus) can die no more. Col 1:15 recoginses this, claiming that he is the FIRST Born OF ALL CREATION, the FIRST and ONLY SON to be raised directly by the Father, hereafter Jesus will raise the rest of humanity at the appointed hour. This is why HE is the Only Begotten SON OF GOD. See COL 1:15 and Romans 1:4
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "the FIRST and ONLY SON to be raised directly by the Father, hereafter Jesus will raise the rest of humanity at the appointed hour."
Jesus will raise the rest of humanity from WHERE on the appointed hour? What appointed hour? The Hour of temptation?
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead? It is the hour when he(Jesus) will raise the dead for judgement. Matthew 7:22 On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead?"
Yes, I "battle" them all the time and keep hoping they will read the WORD of God for themselves and stop believing and following the traditions, false teachings of men.
But I also know that slumber has been placed upon many and unless it is our Heavenly Father's will for Truth to be revealed to them, the seed of His Truth will not grow within them.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Do you not believe in the rescurrection of the dead?"
I MUST correct myself here for my boast...it is the Power of the TRUTH of Father's Word that sets men free and brings understanding. Only He can make a seed grow.
My boast which I repent for--Sorry Father "Yes, I "battle" them all the time and keep hoping they will read the WORD of God for themselves and stop believing and following the traditions, false teachings of men.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, It is the time which the Father has determined as only he alone knows all things.Matthew 24:26 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Only Begotten SON OF GOD. See COL 1:15"
Yes Doc, Jesus Christ was Emmanuel, God with us. Yes, Jesus flesh body, His image, the Only begotten son of Our Father added to that of the virgin Mary, was that image-spirit of Our Heavenly Father, only in flesh..
Jesus tells us If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.. John 14:8-14
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere Romans 1:4 "who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;" The above scriptural verse is a fullfillment of the prophecy of Psalm 2:7 Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Which the apostle Paul says was fulfilled only by Christ rising from the grave Romans 1:4
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Spirits residing in bodies is a pagan concept...as humans we have the breath of life and like the animals are mortal...on the day a man dies his thoughts cease. This make the rescurrection og Jesus vital in the salvation of mankind.
Eccles 3: 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; and man hath no preeminence above the beasts:
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Spirits residing in bodies is a pagan concept...as humans we have the breath of life and like the animals are mortal...on the day a man dies his thoughts cease. "
Pagan? wow...Yes the flesh body is mortal and dies. It also contains our spirit, our "essence" "soul" which Father created and placed inside at conception, which upon our flesh death, the silver cord breaks and is instantly released and returns to our Heavenly Father who gave it. Ecc 12:6-7
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, God did not create man an immortal being,he created man a living Soul... Adams claim to life and immortality was conditional upon his obedience to God's command, when Adam broke the command he brought death upon all his descendants. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "God did not create man an immortal being,he created man a living Soul..."
Yes I agree. Man was made from FLESH which dies, but upon death of the flesh body, the spirit contained within lives on and returns to Our Father who made to await judgement day. EX of the Gulf in heaven.... The rich man and the beggar...Luke 16:19-31
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 That should read man was made flesh...not made from flesh
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
"soul" which Father created and placed inside at conception, which upon our flesh death, the silver cord breaks and is instantly released and returns to our Heavenly Father who gave it. Ecc 12:6-7
@RememberPaulRevere, If this is the case, everyone goes to heaven at death,even before Jesus went to Calvary to die for our sins... So death is not an enemy! 1 Cor 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "everyone goes to heaven at death," YES THEIR Spirit returns to the Father to AWAIT JUDGEMENT
"even before Jesus went to Calvary to die for our sins... So death is not an enemy!"
AGAIN, I ask WHO IS DEATH? It IS The DEVIL..satan..the serpent...Father of Cain..the destroyer...the son who perishes...son of perdition...the dragon...lucifer...the beast...antichrist..little horn..King and prince of Tyrus..the cherubim who covereth..a son of God who fell from grace
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, No, not everyone goes to heaven , if mankind have immortal souls, then Christ death on the cross for mankinds redemption from the death/grave would have been of no value. King David is awaiting the rescurrection...In Acts 29:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "No, not everyone goes to heaven"
Yes they do. There is a GULF that separates the right-side from the left-side. Recall the scripture posted directing you to ---The rich man and the beggar---it explains it well the separation between them.
When the flesh body dies, the spirit-soul returns to the Father who gave it. Where is our Heavenly Father? In Heaven. Heaven is where ever our Father resides.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
If death is not an emeny, then why is the it the payment for sin? Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. You seem to be of the belief, that death is not death, unless you understand that death means death, how can you appreciate what the hope of eternal life means. God created man as a living soul, just as the animals are living souls.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Doc, This is telling you about Eternal life of the SPIRIT that is within these clay pots, flesh bodies, which instantly goes back to Our Father in HEAVEN upon the death of the flesh, to AWAIT Judgement DAY.
Those who believed in Christ during their walk in the flesh body, yet have died, are already WITH Him in heaven. Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I have enjoyed speaking with you and I am sure despite of religious differences and points of view, both respect each other. I will let you have the last sayas this sort of debate could go on for quite a long time.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Yes, but eternal life only is only obtained only by being 'Born Again of the Spirit', by a rescurrection from the dead.Psalm 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied , when I awake , with thy likeness.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Job 14:13 "O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would conceal me, until your wrath is past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!" If God does not remeber us, death and corruption will hold us captie, free among the dead who he rememebrs no more. Pslam 88:5 "Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand."
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
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@DocHoliday1882 "If death is not an emeny,"
Satan IS death....and he is sin, being the 1st SINNER (He rebelled against Our Father taking 1/3 of the angels with him in the fall from Grace). His son Cain via his seduction-beguiling of Eve, is the first murderer. Cain murdered righteous Abel, his maternal twin brother. Gen 3-4...the serpent, the glistening one, satan
Yet satan's plan to destroy the woman, Mother Eve, failed. Seth was born and the Saviour's bloodline endured.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die and to dust man shall return.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, by virture of his rising from the grave and being born of the Father's eternal and incorruptible Spirit.."
Jesus was the Son of God before and at conception and afterwards. Jesus was innocent of sin in the flesh and also in the spirit, therefore already incorruptible, even before he was crucified on the cross and before He was raised from the grace and ascended to Our Heavenly Father.
Read I Cor 15...Paul explains it
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, I am afraid that is the christianity you have inherited through the secularisation of Christianity, under the hand of Emperor Constantine which he orchestrated through the authorising the first emmunical First Church Council of Niaea (A.D. 325) It was nothing to do with truth, but a wrestling for power and control over the hearts and minds. which is what Constantine wanted. If you are happy beleving in it, that is up to you.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "I am afraid that is the christianity you have inherited through the secularisation of Christianity, under the hand of Emperor Constantine which he orchestrated":
I doubt that seriously because I do not attend any organized divided denominational church. Most do not teach "Precept upon precept" nor according to the two churches Christ approved of, Smyrna and Philadelphia...I would take a look and see if yours follow those teachings. Rev. 2:8-11 and Rev. 3:7-13
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere. With due respect, you may doubt that you wre not influenced, but whether you went to a particular church or not makes no difference. You see you have already been influenced by the trinity formular. The fact is, Jesus asked God for immortality, never ending life. Psalm 21:4 He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. The rest of what you have said about organized religion (Churches) I am in agreement with.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, In Psalm 21:4 , there is a prophecy which testifies that Jesus he (Jesus) asked God for eternal life and immortality, only a man of flesh and blood could ask for this. Psalm 21:4 He asked life of You, You gave it to him, Length of days forever and ever.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 Regarding Ps 21...I agree, it refers to Jesus Christ, Our King of Kings, Lord of Lords. If you believe the prophets were guided by Our Father to write His Word as spoken and given, then accurately translated for the most part in the KJV, then you should know that David was also a prophet. This psalm talks about God's Saviour, He who sits on the Right hand of Our Father, who upon his return,shall divide the Tares from the Wheat during the end of this earth age.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Please compare this with the previous quote...Hebrews 5:7 "As a mortal man, he offered up prayers and appeals with loud cries and tears to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his devotion to God."
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Please compare this with the previous quote...Hebrews 5:7 "As a mortal man,"
You can not in any part of the Holy Bible prove that Jesus Christ had a human father, so why keep posting scriptures which do not back up this fallacy?
Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of Our Heavenly Father via the virgin Mary. He was spirit, then became flesh thru the conception via His mothers womb and was born of water, just as all sons of man were. He was Emmanuel, God with us.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
The proof is recorded in the scriptures that Jesus was conceived as all humans are conceived, albeit out of wedlock. We do not need to know who his earlthly father was as it was his role and calling of God which was relevant.cont
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "We do not need to know who his earlthly father was"
Jesus had NO earthly father....it is written, Our Heavenly Father IS Jesus FATHER...yes, Jesus spirit was place in the womb of Mary at conception and Jesus was born of water from His mother's womb, just as all men are.
The point being made that the fallen sons of God "fallen angels" DID NOT do this, but seduced the daughters of men instead.
We are born in the flesh as a TEST, Obedience to Our Heavenly Father.
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Paul, is aware of the myth of pagan gods impregnating humans females and in he reminds the early christians that Jesus came as a true Son of Man, according to the flesh 2 Timothy 2:8 "Always remember that Jesus Christ, a descendant of King David, was raised from the dead. This is the Good News I preach.:"
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@DocHoliday1882 "Paul, is aware of the myth of pagan gods impregnating humans females"
Not a myth, the sons of God --fallen angels--fallen sons of God--left their 1st estate and habitation and seduced the daughters of men and begat hybrid (Giants)children, they were to be born of the womb of woman, and instead seduced them in the flesh. This includes Cain, the son of Satan & Eve, and Cain's offspring mixed with the wheat, the Kenites-Tares. , Gen 6:1-7 and Jude 1:3-16
RememberPaulRevere 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere,Yes I do understand about the Sons of God coming to earth to co-habitate with the daughters of men, this was in violation to God's command However as this is such a long time ago and those books of the bible which bear witness to this event have beenxcluded, many christians would doubt that this actually happened, but as we know behind every myth there is a hidden truth.
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago
@RememberPaulRevere, Being born out of wedlock under the jewish law was looked down on and certainly it was not something which could be kept hidden in a Jewish society. Joseph raised the child as one of his own. Non of this would exclude him being God's chosen one and messiah, it is the heart and character which God looks upon, not the exterior imageas men judeg and despise others by.cont
DocHoliday1882 1 month ago