SuperBabyBuddah said: You said "Islamophobia" "is the same" as Nazi Anti-Semitism and you didn't even blink. How many Muslims are ethnically cleansed from France every year? How many flee from the razzias and pogroms? How many starve away in German ghettoes? How many flee in fear of what Wilders might do? While you crunch the numbers, we still see Muslims moving TO Europe. You've only managed to trivialise both Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust to score a rhetorical non-point. Well done!
@SuperBabyBuddah: Its getting there! Your dear friend Geert Wilders & his PVV party recently started a new website called 'Shop a Migrant' which is racist & xenophobic towards Eastern Europeans. The same lot advocates arbitrary arrests of Muslim Dutch folks based on mere suspicion, stripping of citizenship & deportation to country of ancestry even when that person is 4th or 5th generation Dutch. Anti-semitism & Holocaust were the culmination of a similar process, NOT some sudden big-bang event!
@faris710 A moronic website catering to xenophobes and several immigration policy reforms which got no support from the general public, and Adolph Wilders' popularity is steady dwindling. I'm somehow not entirely blown away by the similarities you think you see between 2012 Holland to 1930s Germany.
Give your imagined Muslim-Holocaust angst a rest, will you? Trivialising real life ethnic cleansing just to make your lame Youtube comment is so goddamn dumb.
If Islam is so great, how come Muslims want to live in Christian countries? They demand toleration from Christians while they remain intolerant. It's as if they want to spread the very oppression they are fleeing.
@DCFunBud: And if Islam is so bad, why do thousands of Europeans live and work in Muslim counties? If Islam and all that Muslims believe in is so repulsive for your kind, why go and work in those countries? See how ludicrous your assertions are? Dont fault the avg Muslim or his religion for faults of nasty dictators ruling through oppression with the support of YOUR western governments.. Dont fault the avg Muslim for wanting the same avg, peaceful, quiet life for his family that u have for urs.
@faris710 Christians are not immigrating to Muslim countries by the tens of millions. There is no parallel here. The "nasty dictators ruling through oppression" find a perfect fit for Muslim countries cursed by a controlling, intolerant, and fanatical religion.
@DCFunBud: So it takes a specific number of people to emigrate from European countries to Muslim countries for your brain to register an issue of 'principle'? Astonishing to say the least! Please do advise which of the 'nasty' dictators in present-day Muslim countries across the globe came to power by their own means or by way of using Islamic values? The answer is NONE. Nearly all of them rode the wave of support of so-called 'democratic' countries of the West.. Do re-educate urself on facts
@faris710 Poor poor Muslims. How they have been so mistreated by the Western powers! Left to their own devices Muslims have created a hell on earth for other Muslims without any help from anyone. No wonder they are fleeing Islam-only countries. Even the Muslims cannot tolerate them. By the way, what Muslim value does the burkah represent -- the enslavement of women?
@DCFunBud: Left to their own devices, Muslims are capable of doing what Western powers did not want to.. You have present-day example of people rising up against their governments from Libya to Yemen demanding their political, social and civic rights as enshrined in Islam but denied to them by Western backed dictators.. Talk of women enslavement from a Euro-barbarian whose ancestors were gleefully engaging in slavery up until the Second World War & hadn't granted women right to vote is pitiful.
@Ladygraagga: *yawn* another basement scholar. Most Westerners go to M.E to work cuz of NO income tax. Muslim lands will always be run by dictators? Contrary to such Western wet-dreams of ur's, Muslims across M.E are rising up against their Western-backed dictators to demand Islamic values of freedom & dignity. Perhaps its time U stop whining & ranting n help re-educate your brain by picking up a recent newspaper to see what is going on across M.E. Egypt & Tunisia down, Libya, Yemen, Syria next
@LePetitGrosse: Whenever those in Saudi Arabia try to revolt against their Western backed dictator-king; they are met with bullets by Saudi security forces while the Western world stays silent.. Folks in Iran are not quiet either.. Example of Egypt is clear for all to see.. the so-called 'democratic' West kept quiet throughout the protests until the very end when it was clear that their puppet Hosni Mubarak wouldn't last the popular uprising by the youth who wanted democracy, freedom & dignity.
@faris710 i dun mind muslims really, IF they do not threatened me when i say something against Islam. IF they dont force sharia down my throat. IF they stop listening to the preaching of extremist imam. Other than that im ok with them.
@LePetitGrosse: All of u what u've said in ur last comment shows how opportunist European far-right politicians make in-roads with gullible members of the wider European public.. No Muslims are gonna force any Sharia down ur throat.. The only reason why some Muslims want Sharia laws are only for their own family affairs, etc something that already exists for Jews in many European countries where family issues, etc are resolved in accordance with Jewish laws..
@faris710 lol, you do know that all the europeans countries are govern by leftist? yo do know that the far right politicians received minority support? you know why there are so few far right politcian? because muslims threatened their lives for speaking the truth about Islam and muslim. eg Geert Wilder under 24 hour protections. I know one day muslims will dominate european society by sheer numbers alone and i hope the leftist will understand how they have fed the crocodile that bite them.
@LePetitGrosse: *yawn* I have yet to see Muslims threaten European politicians who criticize Muslims.. Wilders doesn't criticize Muslims, he insults them & their beliefs.. He believes Muslims to be sub-human. He is a racist & a fascist. The resurgence of the far-right across Europe is the result of poor performance by left-leaning governments; Wilders is riding that wave. Your misplaced fears of a 'Muslim takeover' of Europe r the same that Hitler aroused among ur forefathers against the Jews
no religion teaches killing people like geert wilders (holland mp) belong to the same group. just that at that time jews were bad in europe and now muslims are bad in europe.
islam is a violent and dangerous religion and the citizens of the european community better recognize this before it is too late. islam has destroyed the cultures of persia,christian turkey,byzanthia,christian syria ect; any country this religion has gone to it has damaged the cultural fabric of that nation making it lose its identity and become completly islamic.
@doctorw2: It was Islam that gave European Enlightenment its kick-start. It was Muslims who introduced ignorant Europeans to the ancient works of Aristotle, Socrates. It was the Islamic world that gave early European civilization Avicenna [Ibn Sina] & others. The world's first university, library, etc were created by Muslims.. your ignorance is no excuse for your racist hatred. Even those with a brain the size of a pea would benefit from reading:
@faris710 this the old rhetoric that every muslim comes up with when confronted with their own gross misconduct. that was a thousand years ago what about now? are muslims making any effort to to make advancements in science to benefit mankind now? the obvious answer is NO! too many islamic countries are busy building weapons to either obliterate israel or intimidate the west or they are busy killing westerns or running suicide bombings. remember darfur? and you call me racist islam is not a race
@doctorw2: How can Muslims do anything constructive when most of them have dictators who are supported financially and militarily by the great 'democratic' West? Colonialism, imperialism, plundering of resources. YOUR countries carry out these things in Muslim states via puppet governments installed to protect YOUR interests and here you have the audacity to rant about why there is no 'advancements'? Even in current circumstances, Muslims have produced Nobel Prize winners to say the least
@faris710 Dont you dare blame islams corrupt leaders on the western governments we are not to blame at all, the real people to blame are muslims and the way they interpret the quran to suit their own cultural and tribal hatreds. i have traveled to many islamic countries and i have seen the same vices and corruptions that plague the west. if the west is guilty of imperilism and colonialism plundering resources Islam is equaly guilty of totalirism and cultural oppression.
@doctorw2: hahah what an ignorant runt you are.. Do tell us how many 'dictators' in the Islamic world actually practice Islamic laws? Next time when you travel to Islamic countries which do not have democracy, take up a history course for starters... Countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc all have puppet governments kept in place by financial and military ties of the West.. these puppet dictators deny freedoms to their populations & the great champions of democracy in the West ignore
@doctorw2: Your pathetic and feeble arguments regarding tribal hatreds & what not are frivolous to say the least.. the same tribal squables, etc existed while Islam enjoyed its Golden Age without Western imperialism in the equation.. Your hypocrisy mirrors that of your two-faced leaders who boast of 'Western democracy' but turn a blind-eye to the same yearning desire for democracy and freedom by Muslim masses so that oil supplies to your car & heated homes remain secure with predictable prices!
@faris710 Islams so called golden age was not so golden for the people the muslims conquered under the banner of islam persia lost its unique cultural identity so did turkey and many other nations. The so called muslim masses dont want democracy they want the world to turn islamic and be under sharia law. those so called dictators that you say the west placed there are in fact the people the mullas and imams placed there to carry out their diabolical religious and political schemes.
@doctorw2: Continued exhibition of ignorance.. Ask today's Iranians.. they are as much Persian as Islamic.. re-educate yourself on the Spanish Reconquest by Izabella & Ferdinand.. Muslim Spain was light-years ahead of neighboring France to say the least.. even with the butchery & wanton destruction that Izabella & Ferdinand wrought on Moorish Spain, they could not erase Islamic influence.. wherever Islam went, it granted rights & freedoms.. You need to get some education for a change.
@faris710 wrong! there are people all over iran who want to return back to their native religion zoroastranism and leave islam and i hope they do just that becuase the mullas in iran are completly corrupt. I hope they are able to rename their country back to its original name persia and discard every vestige of islam. this will inspire others to do the same and other nations will finaly get their true ethnic and national liberty back.wherever islam has gone it has erased the identity of others.
@doctorw2: nothing but haughty hyperbole.. Zoroastrianism is very much alive in Iran and exists in Pakistan as well as in India.. Your ignorance is aptly demonstrated when u say, '.. hope they can rename their country as Persia'.. Ludicrous! Persia was the name allotted to a 'region'.. based on the region's biggest medieval empire.. Going by ur theory, perhaps Turkey should rename itself as Ottoman, Hungary & Austria as Habsburg, etc.. U've lost the plot of the argument & are now jst ranting
@faris710 the zoroastrians that are in muslim countries can not practice their religion openly and you know that becuase they would be imprisoned for doing so just like christians and jews can not practice their religion openly in muslim countries. yet muslims can go anywhere and practice their faith thats just unfair and unjust. i would like to see iran go back to being persian and turkey go back to being a part of europe and go back to its christian roots. Islam needs to stay in saudi arabia
@doctorw2: Zoroastrians as well as others cannot practice their beliefs freely in many Islamic countries, NOT because of Islam but because of repressive dictatorial/authoritarian rule of family dynasties, theologians, etc supported by the same Western world that boasts about freedom of speech, religion, expression. Your remark regarding Islam remaining is Saudi Arabia goes to show how redundantly ignorant you are. Just cuz Islam's two main holy sites are in S.A today, doesn't mean Islam is Saudi
@faris710 now you know that isnt true, if anybody practices any other religion besides islam in islamic countries they are either jailed,killed, or beaten so severly they would wish for death and that is becuase of sharia law a muslim ordiance so stop blaming the west we are trying to get peoples freedom not hinder it. this is a difficult task due to imams and muslim clerics hindering progress in the name of islam. Islam did start in saudi arabia muhammad was a meccan.
@doctorw2: More ignorant B.S! Apart from Middle-Eastern countries with Western-backed puppet dictators; countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, even Bangladesh and Pakistan have relaxed atmosphere for non-Muslims where hundreds of Churches, Synagogues & Temples exist and are used regularly by their adherents.. So instead of ranting away like an empty tin-can, pick up a good book & re-educate yourself on some ground realities instead of bickering away with your rhetorical polemic
@faris710 that is not true and you know it the very muslim countries you have named are on the top of the list when it comes to human rights violations. especialy pakistan.
@doctorw2: Simply saying 'this is not true', doesn't make it untrue.. I can give u an entire list of Christian Churches, Buddhist & Hindu & Sikh Temples in Pakistan to go visit.. This is not to say its a gleaming example of Human Rights but the truth is for all to see.. Pakistan has Sikhism's two most Holiest sites which is visited by almost 5-7000 Sikhs each year and a massive festival takes place.. freedom to do that is guaranteed by the Pakistani state
@faris710 listen muslims treat other religious groups as second class citizens and that is a fact. christians have been severely persecuted by muslims also jews have been persecuted and killed by muslims. a beautiful and ancient christian church in turkey the hagia sophia was turned into mosque. the dome of the rock where the jews had their temple is dominated by the al aqsa mosque and wherever muslims have invaded other peoples lands they desecrate their holy sites by building mosques.
@doctorw2: Same rhetorical jibberish. Muslims have been no more unjust to non-Muslims than Christians have been to non-Christians or Hindus to non-Hindus. Must I remind you again to re-educate yourself on history and go figure what Ferdinand and Isabella did to Muslims & Jews when they reconquered Spain from Muslim Moors? Jews were persecuted soo much that they crossed what is known as the Straits of Jibralter today and took refuge in Muslim kingdoms. I dont have to tell u wut Hindus do in India
@faris710 Due to the Invasion of Iraq the Catholic community has been murdererd and driven out of the country. Despite the fact that Christians lived un molested previously. About a 1/4 of Saddams staff were Catholics.
@hsybcmpny: Them living unmolested for centuries is itself a testament of the peaceful coexistence among Christians and Muslims.. what has happened to the Catholics recently is fringe groups like Al-Qaeda trying to stir up religious divisions to make Iraq unstable while also being motivated by the American troop presence in the country to do so. Muslims Iraqis are still living peacefully with their Christian counterparts.
@faris710 Yes, but some of the religious rhetoric used by Bush and others in the American government and media is a direct influence also. And Al Qaeda was only able to gain a substantial foothold and a fresh recruitment of man power in the region due to the American led invasion. By all accounts its a complete mess.
This guy got the bulk of his support in the Dutch elections in his home province, look at the 2010 election map. You know what that means? It means that people only voted for him because they come from the same local place as him - since when the fuck does anyone vote on that basis?
This is the same guy who talks about "Moroccan and Antillean street terrorists", he's not a hero, you don't even take a guy like that seriously...
only a coincedence that most muslims are mostly non-white, eh? meanwhile the most insane religious idea of all time (the hindu caste system) is left virtually uncriticised. i support all attempts to integrate moslem immigrants. i even think that asylum policies might well be tightened. but nothing geert and his merry band of elves say will really help the situation. (and i wonder if geert thinks dutch actions in indonesia were justifued.)
i hope holland realises that in the event you do send the 'slims all packing, holland will become a pariah state on the level of North Korea and aparthed-era South Africa. And indeed! Muslims have done many, many, nasty things in the past and present. But, considering the terrible things Christians have done (google Lord's Resistance Army~now!) i suppose it's only a matter of time before the entire landmass of the Netherlands is totally depopulated.
@salro99 Dont be so negative. Insh2allah everything will be fine. You have a beutiful country. Just the media is playing an awful game. Our civilizations had some great eras together. Look up Salahuddin or the Moorish civilization in Spain. Just the communication now is awful because there is a third party involved THE MEDIA. I dare you to walk in a mosque (Just take off your shoes ;)) and watch everything going on with your own eyes instead having the third party just tell you everything.
@madeinhinduindia Honestly I take offence from that statement. I am dutch and let me tell you I have a sense of shame for what has happened recently with Geert WIlders' party becoming so great.
I assure you that we are not that racist and certainly not stupid, which one might deduce from our high number of college students.
We have unfortunately grown more intollerant. Which is something I am far from proud of. But please, do not generalise us all for the choices of a few select idiots.
Well i could not care less if you are offended dude. The fact remains that 1.2 million morons who are so called EDUCATED racists idiots votes for this NAZI party of Geert Wilders who's main objective is to target one group. Today its Muslims tomorrow it will be Hindu's then other community. The sad thing is that coward mainstream parties are also adopting the RACIST agenda of Nazi Geert Wilders. So again 1.2 million people are not FEW!!
@madeinhinduindia How is it racist to want to end terrorism? Obviously over a million people saw that muslims are a problem and chose to do something by electing Geert. He is a great man and a voice of freedom.
By the way, islam isnt a race, so if someone doesnt like islam, they are not a racist. If you went to a real school instead of a muslim one you would know this. Maybe now that I have educated you you'll make less of a fool of yourself. ;)
@Shaudh Admitted that 1.2 million people is a lot, however it is important to consider that in no means is it a majority of the voters. It is about 10%. Although I hate that already that 10% of the voters voted this. But 90% is the voters did not agree to the extend that they wanted to vote for him.
With only 10% as a basis for claiming that the dutch people as a whole are the most racist and stupid on the planet, is factually incorrect and shows signs of one's own lack of intelligence.
90% of voters did NOT vote for Geert WIlders' party.
Therefore to state that a majority of the dutch people is racist is factually unfounded. To state otherwise suggests a limited intellect to interpret these numbers correctly.
On a different note it is interesting to see that you seem to hold some similarity with Geert WIlders. You seem to express yourself in a similarly questionable method.
Don't you realize that G. Wilders spreads hatred? His propaganda towards the Islam will make it more and more difficult to live together peacefully in this beautiful country. PVV tramples the reputation of our Netherlands under his foot, but many of us don't put the hatred and fear stoking views into question! If supported, the PVV will slowly take away peacefulness and tolerance. Wilders sows hatred - don't let it harvest. Don't join, decide for love instead of hate!
@Giralt1000: First go figure out, how many 'amputations', 'stoning to death', etc were actually carried out under the rule of Islam's Prophet and his first four Caliphs.. there are strict legal requirements that must be met for any such punishment to be carried out.. if you consider Taliban and/or the Saudi regime to be the flag-bearers of Islam, nothing could be more further from the truth.. Both of these regimes have made a mockery out of Islamic teachings which is only fodder for ppl like u.
@Giralt1000 Islam is a religion of peace to those who want peace. But for those who declare war against Muslims, then it is a religion of war until peace is want again. If you go walk in the streets of Beirut, you will be almost forced in someones home to have dinner with people you never met in your life. Just because you are a guest. But if you are Israeli (Completely destroyed Beirut) then you will be attacked by a machine gun.
And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
PREPARE FOR A CATHOLIC STATE - OR PREPARE FOR YOUR BURKA
Secular governments are deliberately Islamising the west - to offset ageing populations and strengthen themselves against China! Only a Catholic state will resist! Beware
@amaqula In London Ontario, the Muslims wanted sharia court to handle Muslim civil issues. The government accepted it. The Zionist Media in North America and Europe started to make a global up rise against our government. The government apologized to the Muslims and stopped the idea. The only support Muslims had were the CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF CANADA. They said "You might think something is bad for you but actually is good" because Islamic law is almost identical to the real Christian law.
@amaqula - If Holland were ever to become a Catholic state, or even a Christian state (AGAIN!) for that matter, I would fucking leave as fast as possible.
Fuck the Catholic state, fuck the corrupt Catholic church.
freedom of speech is not banning a koran, which geert proposed, geert wants to ban mosques in holland where people have the freedom of their god and speeches of their believes, geert does not want freedom of speech for everybody , not a brilliant speech he breaks our law by discriminating, and polarizing the worst of people believes that are not christians or not jewish.. shitty deal
it wont be a satirical film if it ends up being proven right. Total tolerance and acceptance of everything in europe is really bad for the future of europe. We dont stand for anything anymore, in europe we stand for everything. Total freedom at the price of everything else is obviously a bad thing.
geert wilders speaks of a koran which is terrible, ive read passages in the koran and have been shocked, apparently ive interpreted them wrong but i think they are clearer than daylight. and if they are open to interpretation it cannot be the perfect wordd of god. right.
same old rhetorical polemic.. which verses have you read from the Qur'an? and what has shocked you in the verses.. please enlighten us ignorant souls with your bountiful knowledge.. If you are going to quote same 10-odd verses that every Islamophobe copies off of Islam-bashing websites, dont bother wasting our time since you'd just add yourself to the list of dime-a-dozen basement intellectuals running amok on youtube
@faris710 As if those 10 quotes weren't enough...Anyhow, actions speak louder than words. The answer is in the slogans which muslim use on demonstations on our streets. "jihad is the answer", "europe you will pay". "islam will dominate you dogs" etc...etc...etc....
@oshea1111able There is interpretation because the Arabic language used is a bit complicated for the new Arab generation and new comers to Islam. One word in classical Arabic might need a sentence in English. This is what happened to the bible. When translated a lot of it was mistranslated.
Yeah islamophobia doesn't exist.. Well India and a whole lot more countries would have been saved, had the Muslim 'emperors' not arrived. And please do your research before going on saying those emperors did good. You are talking to one who is doing research in South Asian History.
I hold a Major in South Asian history and I can tell you for a fact that Muslim emperors did more good than harm to India, its peoples and its culture. Don't make haughty claims that have no leg to stand up on..
One doesn't have to travel in India to find out legacy of Mughal rule.. their legacy is abundantly stored in history, culture, etc and today's India openly embraces it - apart from some Hindutva fascists who cry hoarse to the contrary.
As for this video. No, I don't think that all Muslims who settle in Western countries do so with the intent to overthrow democracy and set up Sharia law. However, if somebody walks up to somebody and threatens to kill them, that person can be arrested and charged for that, but when a Muslim holds up a sign inciting death to "blasphemers", they are not arrested and charged with inciting death. Hypocritical nonsense. Those are the Muslims that should be jailed or deported.
Islamophobia does not exist, there is no reflexive dislike of Islam simply because it is the other. Resentment of Islam is based om its inherent expansionism, its sanction of violence, its misogyny and the bombs that go off on our streets. Why is there no Buddhophobia? This bullshit neologism was invented by leftists and Muslims who want to describe dislike of Islam as some sort of neurosis, and it is extremely contemptible.
There's no Buddhophobia cuz no Buddhist country sits on Oil reserves.. No Buddhist country was the target of savage Crusades.. and no Buddhist countries border Christian lands.. Problem with Christian states - parading as 'secular democracies' is that they failed to establish a foothold in Mid-East before, they are still failing.. they cannot understand why there is another dominant force in the world other than their own.. As long as idiots like you exist, the problem will persist.
No Buddhist country shits on individual freedom or advocates the overthrow of Democracy, or accepts that Islam must subordinate itself to freedom, and accept offense without returning violence.
Are people tortured and killed, not just by Buddhists but also in the name of Buddhism? Do Buddhists from Burma immigrate to the West in large numbers and demand we shred our belief in liberty to accommodate Sharia Law (a form of Fascism by any neutral standard). Do Buddhists try to murder cartoonists for expressing themselves?
Are Muslims willing to recognize the absolute right to disrespect Islam publicly without any retribution? If not, they are subhuman traitor shit unworthy of Democracy.
NO ONE has 'absolute' right to disrespect anyone.. In Spain, anyone can be jailed for criticizing the Royal Family.. in Germany, Austria, etc people can be jailed for even 'questioning' the official historical version of Holocaust because it is deemed a 'disrespect' to Jews and anti-Semitic.. Ur hypo-critical nonsense has no leg to stand on..
Just like you advocate for Buddhists, similarly a lot is done in the name of Islam that does not pertain to Islamic teachings.. Do continue ranting.
I routinely bash those nations for that exact reason, as well as Ireland and Britain, and I am perfectly free to.
While I do believe you have an absolute right to disrespect anyone and anything, which is in fact the case in the US legally, that isn't the issue I was addressing. Even when a nation has censorship, you have a duty as a citizen to bring grievances to the people and government in a Constitutional way, you cannot just attack or assassinate people you disagree with.
I guess that lecture of not 'attacking' and not 'assassinating people you disagree with' should start at home.. While you rant about Western values, you forget that the same West attacks other countries under false pretext just because that other country disagrees with the West's demands.. and countries like Israel that the West loves to paint as a 'beacon of democracy' in the Middle East are the same ones assassinating leaders of the opposing side instead of using Constitutional ways
This man simply wants the Netherlands to remain Dutch, and Middle Eastern Muslims are not Dutch. If we demanded that Saudi Arabia allow there nation to become 50% European, and start allowing drinking and gambling and ban the execution, their heads would explode.
In America we don't have a problem with Islam within our borders because we assimilate populations and root out alternative ideologies to freedom and democracy. Europe talks about multiculturalism, but your culture is democracy or not.
Your comments is nothing but sheer ignorance and rhetorical polemic exaggerated to the limits.. Please tell us which European country is going to have 50% Muslim population anytime in the next 100yrs even.. Netherlands is less than 5% Muslim inhabitants.. Wilders plays populist politics which goes down well with less-learned individuals such as you exhibit here.. European multiculturalism is a farce at best.. The only country where multiculturalism truly works to a great extent, is Canada
Yeah, Muslims are really the innocent victims of a plot to slander them so that we can take their oil.... yeah.... thats why we faked all the major terrorist attacks on the US, Britain, Australia, and terror plots in Germany, France, Canada (also sits on huge oil reserves and no one is denouncing them). At least acknowledge Islam has not been an innocent victim in the way its perceived by mankind today, even if you don't think it completely owns its situation.
That cynical comment was expect user Robertz1986.. Your zero-sum argument is inherently flawed.. None of my comments suggest that Muslims are being 'plotted' against or that any of the terrorist attacks were fakes.. I did not even go in to the whole terrorism topic.. I kept within the context of the initial argument which was the stereotype bias & generalization of Muslims across Europe based on the acts of a few who dont even follow the true Islamic teachings.. Learn to differentiate
You say a Muslim is someone who follows "true Islamic teachings" I say it is anyone who claims a Muslim identity. Neither is more authoritative. As for stereotypes, they are how people understand all foreign societies, the only way one CAN actually. They are based on general facts or views about society, and given that Islam and terrorism have in recent decades been connected at the hip, its not a baseless stereotype, just not the norm within Islamic cultures.
If I claim to be an American, I wont be recognized as such unless I follow the American way of life, pass the citizenship test & what not.. Hence your assertion that anyone who claims a Muslim identity is a true Muslim is nonsense at best.. So since u claim Islam & terrorism are somehow connected based on general perception hence going by that theory, we would conclude the Christianity & mass-murder/genocide/holocaust are synonymous as well.. Not a baseless stereotype according to ur theory
Canada is not multicultural. No Western Democracy can be "multi-cultural", you can have only one culture, and this is reflected in your government and society. Culture is primarily about ideas, not about how you dress or what language you speak, and Western Culture says that individual liberty is paramount. That people can say what they want and not be attack or imprisoned. This is not multi-cultural, this is Western, and to become anything but Western would destroy these principles.
In my previous comment I stated Canada is 'more' multi-cultural than any other country.. There was no claim of Canada being 'absolutely' multicultural from my end.. Hence your attempts to be a pseudo-intellectual are just that.. Culture is propagated by the dress worn, language spoken since they manifest ideas & thinking.. so spare us the rhetorics.
A message from a British brother. If you think my son is in any way not good enough to marry your daughter, then I will fight to get you deported out of my country. That includes the non- muslim rascist chav scum that the U.K. is also littered with.
Saudi & 'other' Arab states have less to do with Islam and more to do with dictatorships that rule with iron-fists over their weak citizens with backing from powerful Western allies who are supposed to be the guardians of 'free speech', etc. First clean your own house & then worry abt others.
According to the independent group Freedom House, which determines how free a nation is based on democracy, government, civil rights, and similar categories, not a single "Islamic Country" is ranked as free. The injustices done in Saudi Arabia are done in the name of Islam with the support of Islamic clergy. They point to hadiths which specifically call for Human Rights violations as part of religious practice. The same is true in Iran, Syria, Sudan, and many other Sharia states.
And who was the main force behind the creation of Saudi Arabia? The British. And who is THE steadfast ally of Saudi Arabia -> the U.S. Buy an Idiots Guide to Politics and see how dictators need foreign backers to continue their rule while using a pretense at the home-front to rule - in this case, conveniently using Islam as cover. Most of the countries you mentioned have at times or always enjoyed Western support for the dictatorial regimes that operate there since its expedient for the West.
r you saying that Saddam husein's Iraq had U.S backing? or Ahmadinijads iran? your just as bad as the others by using the term "the west" thats such an outdated term, what is this the crusades?
Who supplied weapons and cash to Saddam Hussein during Iraq-Iran war that lasted nearly a decade, killing thousands? It was Uncle Sam. Before ranting irrelevantly, it would help if you actually sat down to study a bit of history.
Freedom to criticize Islam and Muhammad, that's called freedom of speech. If I were a Dutch journalist who wanted to write an article on Muhammad's pedophilia with Aisha, I'd be prosecuted for hate speech and probably get some death threats to add to it.
Or you'd simply be the laughing stock of the academia given your ignorance regarding consummation of marriage, etc. Simply spilling vitriolic bile against a Prophet of a religion whom you are prejudiced against, isn't the best form of intellectual criticism you'd like to paint it as
I have no prejudice against Islam whatsoever, I have prejudice against the actions done in its name and to silence criticism against it, as I would against any form of religious extremism and any curtailing of free speech. Also spare me your casuistry, I have read the entire Qu'ran and many of the writings regarding Aisha I'm hardly "ignorant." And please by what sophistry do you defend the suppression of free speech?
There's a difference between constructive criticism and outright rhetorical insults.. Why is it illegal to question the Holocaust in many European countries? Why is criticism of Spanish Royal Family a punishable act? Why not let jihadis sell 'hate literature' on the streets of Brussels? Who decides where 'freedom of speech' is applicable and where it isn't? Spare us your arbitrary Euro-centric nonsense!!
Euro-centric? I'm a American. And I disagree with all the examples you cited, one should be allowed to criticize and even mock or insult any political figure, or question any historical event. In the United States we have actual free speech, unlike in Europe. Freedom of speech includes the right to insult someone. The only speech which needs protection is controversial speech.
Americans did not come from Mars.. Europeans settled in America whom off-spring you are today.. Euro-centric is a term applied to ALL of the Western world.. Splitting hair is not going to win you any browny points here.. And by the way, the area in question is EUROPE here, NOT America
Americans come from any country, not just Europe. And yes Europe is the question and I'm doing what I can to defend free speech for Europeans because we do share the same values and culture. Free speech is not restricted to polite speech, offensive speech is especially the province of the ideal of free speech.
Yes one wonders when the principle of 'free speech' will apply to those who question the extent of the Holocaust [let alone those who deny it outright] in Europe.. One wonders when 'free speech' will apply to Spaniards who want to criticize their Royal Family.. etc. I could go on & on.. Europe's charade of arbitrarily applying Freedom of Speech to what suits their political ends and not applying to what does not is quite pathetic indeed.. And you obviously have not grasped that as of yet.
And you hit another point with the term "euro-centric" by that you imply that the Islamic Culture has a right to be in Europe? Not hardly. People are allowed to freely practice their religion, but the Sharia and other aspect of Islam which pertain to its role in law or society at large have no place in a secular society. None. The West is a Judaeo-Christain/Humanist culture, those who wish to practice Sharia or Islamic Culture should stay in Islamic States.
You obviously have no clue what I mean by Euro-centric and in what context the term was implied in my previous comment.. Sharia is just as applicable in so-called 'secular' societies just as Jewish law is in places like Britain & France - where Jews have their own religious courts. The West is NOT a 'Judaeo-Christian/Humanist' culture; thats a lot of contradictory terms bunched together. Get some real education in cross-cultural and religious awareness and then try to make an intelligent comment
No they don't. No one can be killed or mutilated for violating Jewish Law in any country. The Judaeo-Christian and Humanist traditions are intimately related as each one grew from the other. All people of any religion should have equal treatment under the law, not special treatment because of religion based on "cross-cultural and religious awareness."
Oh! If my memory serves me correct, the Ku Klux Klan was a Christian organization, the Nazis were Christian [with Jewish collaborators], terrorist groups like ETA, FARC, GRAPO, etc all belonged to the Judaeo-Christian tradition.. Oh! And I almost forgot the nutjobs who burnt women by labelling them Witches during Europe's 'Great Witch Hunt' before some sense prevailed.. Jews already have special treatment in many European countries; Muslims are no different then to ask for same.
Come now. The Nazi's were not a Christian organization, they were a political party, and the KKK were not either. Although both tried to solicit Christian support for their racist ideologies. Wilders has not called for any violence towards Muslims, merely the deportation of extremists and an end to further Muslim immigration. That is in no way comparable to the Nazis or the KKK, and you well know it. And by the by, those incidents are the past, violent extremism is a present within Islam.
So you're saying Nazis didn't go to Church? Didn't celebrate Christmas? Didn't have Easter? Didn't have Good Friday? Didn't have Thanksgiving? Alas! They did.. Wilders is a fascist, hiding behind the garb of ethnic Dutch nationalistic fervor to curry favor with the majority whites.. No one can be deported without being given the right to stand trial.. Wilders doesn't want to give that right to those, who, in his opinion or according to his ideals are 'extremists'.. That is plain B.S
Thanksgiving? Nazis. No because Thanksgiving is an American holiday, and the Nazis were in Germany. The Nazis were not a Christian organization, in fact they murdered and persecuted a number of Christians and Hitler was secretly anti-Christian. Wilders is not a fascist. He is not advocating a one party Corporate state, and he is not a bigot as he is not advocating blanket deportation of all Muslims, he is merely standing up against radical Islam and Islamification of Dutch society.
Hitler was 'secretly' anti-Christian. Thats the best one I've heard in a while.. Good on u mate! There's no Islamification of Dutch society.. For Islamification, Muslims would have to wield enormous political power in the country like the Jews do in the United States - but they don't. Hyping up the fear of Islamification is the only leg Wilders' politics can stand on just like the BNP in the U.K. Islamophobia and Xenophobia are on the rise across Europe, not just the Netherlands
Jews wield political power in the US? Haha. Nothing is further from the truth. Thanks for reminding me of what my old history professor used to say, "when you argue with a fool, you make a fool of yourself." You're an ideologue, there is no point to this discussion.
Kiddo, go back to school, get some education regarding the United States' political compulsions that create the most waves on Capitol Hill & then return to make comments.. It is common knowledge by now how powerful the Israeli lobby is in the United States; what power do Jewish business interests hold over US political will and to what extent is the Jewish electorate a make-or-break case in each presidential election.. wake up & smell the coffee
By definition fascism is a political system exhibiting a one party state in collusion with Corporate entities. Geert Wilders is an ardent supporter of Israel, and fascism was also characterized by anti-semitism. Wilders is not a fascist. Wilders is trying to prevent the Dutch indigenous population from becoming a minority in Islamized undemocratic nation.
The Israeli state has little to do with Judaism apart from symbolism. It has more to do with Zionism. What you are describing regarding fascism is Classical Fascism and what machinery it required to operation in the early 20th Century. This is almost 2010 already, Neo-Fascism is the new deal which manifests itself differently from Classical Fascism.
In fact, those past injustices are exactly why those who value Western Judaeo-Christian and Humanist values, no matter their race or religious beliefs, should unite in defeating radical Islamostatism and preserving Western Culture. If I had been alive in the 1600's I'd have stood up against the Witch Hunts, and my own ancestors did stand up against the KKK and Nazis. The heirs of Western Civilization should do no less than preserve our freedoms, including that to mock and criticize Islam.
The last time Europeans started 'mocking' and 'criticizing' a religion and its adherents, the Holocaust happened.. One wonders what the continent of barbarians calling themselves the beacons of civilization in only a measly 500yrs are going to perpetrate next
Islam doesn't mock and criticize, it annihilates. Islam is the source of the worst crimes against humanity in World History. Western Civilization has nothing to learn, and no need to be lectured by, Islamic Civilization.
Ah yes! So it was Islam that was responsible for WWI and WWII? Correct? Go figure out who was Averroes, Avicenna, etc - the figures who formed the basis of Western civilization that took flight from the Enlightenment. Alas! For your ignorant mind, Averroes, Avicenna and others are all Latinized names of Muslim philosophers, mathematicians, chemists, artists, etc.
Don't worry about that fairkoala, Geert Wilders political party gets the most votes if there would have been elections from december 2008 untill now according to polls.
If he would only focus on other aspects aswel instead of focussing just on Islam, he would convince many more people.
Geert Wilders politics revolves around false notions of Dutch nationalism that are built on xenophobia & Islamophobia.. discrimination.. politics of ethnicity, race and nothing else
It's hard to take the seriously the Muslim in this vid as he denies the intent of Islamic imperialism, since even those not familiar with the goals of Islam in the texts can just look around at what's happening, it's so far along. And Geert Wilders is only increasing in popularity, despite the many misrepresentations of him, such as this video.
putting blame of Imperialism on others by Europeans sounds quite rich to start with.. Lets not forget that the 'great' European states of today stand where they're at after plundering other nations via colonialism particularly Muslims since their lands sat on oil reserves.
Ok let's say you right and Europeans and Americans build their wealth on you .What it says ? That you was and still incapable to defend yourselves and your interests ?
BTW Only reason Pakistan is existing is British colonialism .If not Brits ,you would still be Indians .
Ignorant runts like you come dime-a-dozen on youtube.. Your racist thoughts exhibit that you are incapable of blurting out an intelligent remark even by mistake.
It is racist.. It is akin to saying; black people were slaves, so it must be the blacks who are to blame for becoming slaves.. Try saying that to an Anthropologist, Historian or any serious academic and you would told how ignorant you are.
... and following that you will say, because the Jews suffered the Holocaust; it must have happened because of them.. its a downward spiral to blissful ignorance, fyi.
People who go berserk and commit acts vandalism and murder, Are playing into Geert Wilders' hand.
Honestly I blame "multi-culturalism" ,It never gives importance to Assimilation and integration, Which is necessary for social cohesion and harmony, Interculturalism is a more sound philosophy.
What Muslims should do is hold pro-secularism and democracy marches, You need to affirm that you do share these values in common and your not out to dominate anyone.
Good point but European leaders and perhaps their populations would want to learn a thing or two from Canada about multi-culturalism; it may not be perfect, but it works..
If you dont know this already, it was GALLOP I believe who conducted a survey of Muslims all across major European countries in March where they found, high percentages of Muslim populations identifying themselves as Brits, French, Germans, Dutch, etc - sharing similar values as other Europeans.
People continue to toss out the word "fascist", Never in its true context, Fascism is a political totalitarian ideology that began in Italy largely in response to the rising Marxism.
None of which has anything to do with Islam or any religion, Those who seek to merge religion and state together are called Theocrats.
More empty rhetorical bickering by the yet another ignorant runt with no facts outlined..
Almost all Muslim countries have Churches, Synagogues, etc. Women's rights have been handed down by Islam long before Europe woke up to the idea. Ofcourse Western-backed dictators will enforce restrictions on those seeking to challenge the status-quo.
Talk of double-standards from an Islamophobe like you is worthless. A look at your profile is enough to know kids like u on utube come dime-a-dozen
Women's rights have been "handed down by Islam long before Europe woke up to the idea"? Then why are they not allowed to study any subject they want or they cannot vote, travel without the explicit approval of husband or a male guardian, drive, or work in most government offices, this you see in Saudi Arabia. And this is only thanks to Sharia law, hence only possible with Islam.
It's funny how you only reply to some things I say, why not say something about freedom of expression?
And please tell us what 'Islamic' injunctions in the Qur'an does Saudi Arabia really cite to deprive women from driving, etc. If Saudi Arabia, the custodian of Islam's holiest places was so right in its stance, other Muslim countries would have followed suit but that is not the case. Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy put in power & supported by the West.
No point in u harping about freedom of expression in Saudi Arabia when the biggest benefactor of it is the United States?
Saudi Arabia has had Wahhabism entrenched in its culture , Its laws and customs reflect the adherence to Abd al-Wahhab brand of Islam, The Taliban are its biggest proponents outside of Saudi arabia.
The Saud Monarchy is simply pandering to appease these groups within the Kingdom, They are afraid that they will be toppled like the Pahlavi family in Iran.
Furthermore, it's not only in Saudi Arabia that you see such challenging issues towards women. Iran also has Islamic Law and you see again similar patterns.
I didn't call you anything and yet your typical attitude call me an Islamophobe. If by Islamophobe you mean a person who values government separate from religion then so be it.
If by that you mean a person who values human rights, equality, true freedom of expression then so be it.
Iran has Islamic Laws but have you ever been to Iran? I suppose not. Hence your rhetorical fact-less bickering. Women drive freely in Iran, etc.
You are an Islamophobe; a term applied to those who preach fear of Islam to others without knowing or even understanding an iota of what the actual reality is.
Muslims dont need lecture on human rights from the 'West' that only woke up to that idea in the latter half of the 20th century.
Yes women drive freely but they are required by "moral laws" to wear headscarves. This is even reqired for non-muslims! Apostasy is punishible by death. Criticism of themullahs is punishible. Jews are required to support Iran's anti-Zionist stance. Jews cannot hold an officer position in the military. Media is censored. Alcohol is forbidden. All political candidates must be approved by the mullahs. The fact that Iran calls itself an islamic Republic should tell you something is wrong.
Again; lets not forget Iran is not perfect and is a theocratic state.. 'Islamic Republic' is a misnomer.. Next door Pakistan is an 'Islamic Republic' too but it is NOT a theocratic state.. and the only 'democracy' touted by the West in MiddleEast, Israel is nothing but an apartheid state posing as a democracy. Land-grab & religious backing given to Jews above all others are very simplistic examples of that. Point of all this? I used Iran as a simple example to show driving is not banned in Islam
SuperBabyBuddah said: You said "Islamophobia" "is the same" as Nazi Anti-Semitism and you didn't even blink. How many Muslims are ethnically cleansed from France every year? How many flee from the razzias and pogroms? How many starve away in German ghettoes? How many flee in fear of what Wilders might do? While you crunch the numbers, we still see Muslims moving TO Europe. You've only managed to trivialise both Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust to score a rhetorical non-point. Well done!
faris710 1 week ago
@SuperBabyBuddah: Its getting there! Your dear friend Geert Wilders & his PVV party recently started a new website called 'Shop a Migrant' which is racist & xenophobic towards Eastern Europeans. The same lot advocates arbitrary arrests of Muslim Dutch folks based on mere suspicion, stripping of citizenship & deportation to country of ancestry even when that person is 4th or 5th generation Dutch. Anti-semitism & Holocaust were the culmination of a similar process, NOT some sudden big-bang event!
faris710 1 week ago
@faris710 A moronic website catering to xenophobes and several immigration policy reforms which got no support from the general public, and Adolph Wilders' popularity is steady dwindling. I'm somehow not entirely blown away by the similarities you think you see between 2012 Holland to 1930s Germany.
Give your imagined Muslim-Holocaust angst a rest, will you? Trivialising real life ethnic cleansing just to make your lame Youtube comment is so goddamn dumb.
SuperBabyBuddah 5 days ago
Its funny he has a jewish background... Like i said before Isreal runes America, Netherlands everthing almost...
Lizzio1980 4 months ago
If Islam is so great, how come Muslims want to live in Christian countries? They demand toleration from Christians while they remain intolerant. It's as if they want to spread the very oppression they are fleeing.
DCFunBud 11 months ago
@DCFunBud: And if Islam is so bad, why do thousands of Europeans live and work in Muslim counties? If Islam and all that Muslims believe in is so repulsive for your kind, why go and work in those countries? See how ludicrous your assertions are? Dont fault the avg Muslim or his religion for faults of nasty dictators ruling through oppression with the support of YOUR western governments.. Dont fault the avg Muslim for wanting the same avg, peaceful, quiet life for his family that u have for urs.
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 Christians are not immigrating to Muslim countries by the tens of millions. There is no parallel here. The "nasty dictators ruling through oppression" find a perfect fit for Muslim countries cursed by a controlling, intolerant, and fanatical religion.
DCFunBud 11 months ago
@DCFunBud: So it takes a specific number of people to emigrate from European countries to Muslim countries for your brain to register an issue of 'principle'? Astonishing to say the least! Please do advise which of the 'nasty' dictators in present-day Muslim countries across the globe came to power by their own means or by way of using Islamic values? The answer is NONE. Nearly all of them rode the wave of support of so-called 'democratic' countries of the West.. Do re-educate urself on facts
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 Poor poor Muslims. How they have been so mistreated by the Western powers! Left to their own devices Muslims have created a hell on earth for other Muslims without any help from anyone. No wonder they are fleeing Islam-only countries. Even the Muslims cannot tolerate them. By the way, what Muslim value does the burkah represent -- the enslavement of women?
DCFunBud 11 months ago
@DCFunBud: Left to their own devices, Muslims are capable of doing what Western powers did not want to.. You have present-day example of people rising up against their governments from Libya to Yemen demanding their political, social and civic rights as enshrined in Islam but denied to them by Western backed dictators.. Talk of women enslavement from a Euro-barbarian whose ancestors were gleefully engaging in slavery up until the Second World War & hadn't granted women right to vote is pitiful.
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 Most westerners work in ME lands for their Western firms who i.e get out the oil for the Arabs.
Workers from 3rd world countries are exploited there and no unemployment benefits for them there as in Europe.
Muslim lands will always be run by dictators as they cannot separate religion from state as you well know.
(they love and need Sharia to be really" blessed by allah" )??true or not?
Stop always complaining& whining and& using the "victim card" . Unimpressive and really wimp-like
Ladygraagga 11 months ago
@Ladygraagga: *yawn* another basement scholar. Most Westerners go to M.E to work cuz of NO income tax. Muslim lands will always be run by dictators? Contrary to such Western wet-dreams of ur's, Muslims across M.E are rising up against their Western-backed dictators to demand Islamic values of freedom & dignity. Perhaps its time U stop whining & ranting n help re-educate your brain by picking up a recent newspaper to see what is going on across M.E. Egypt & Tunisia down, Libya, Yemen, Syria next
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 i hope the people in egypt, tunisia get the freedom of their muslims brothers and sisters like those in Iran and saudi arabia.
LePetitGrosse 10 months ago
@LePetitGrosse: Whenever those in Saudi Arabia try to revolt against their Western backed dictator-king; they are met with bullets by Saudi security forces while the Western world stays silent.. Folks in Iran are not quiet either.. Example of Egypt is clear for all to see.. the so-called 'democratic' West kept quiet throughout the protests until the very end when it was clear that their puppet Hosni Mubarak wouldn't last the popular uprising by the youth who wanted democracy, freedom & dignity.
faris710 10 months ago
@faris710 i dun mind muslims really, IF they do not threatened me when i say something against Islam. IF they dont force sharia down my throat. IF they stop listening to the preaching of extremist imam. Other than that im ok with them.
LePetitGrosse 10 months ago
@LePetitGrosse: All of u what u've said in ur last comment shows how opportunist European far-right politicians make in-roads with gullible members of the wider European public.. No Muslims are gonna force any Sharia down ur throat.. The only reason why some Muslims want Sharia laws are only for their own family affairs, etc something that already exists for Jews in many European countries where family issues, etc are resolved in accordance with Jewish laws..
faris710 10 months ago
@faris710 lol, you do know that all the europeans countries are govern by leftist? yo do know that the far right politicians received minority support? you know why there are so few far right politcian? because muslims threatened their lives for speaking the truth about Islam and muslim. eg Geert Wilder under 24 hour protections. I know one day muslims will dominate european society by sheer numbers alone and i hope the leftist will understand how they have fed the crocodile that bite them.
LePetitGrosse 10 months ago
@LePetitGrosse: *yawn* I have yet to see Muslims threaten European politicians who criticize Muslims.. Wilders doesn't criticize Muslims, he insults them & their beliefs.. He believes Muslims to be sub-human. He is a racist & a fascist. The resurgence of the far-right across Europe is the result of poor performance by left-leaning governments; Wilders is riding that wave. Your misplaced fears of a 'Muslim takeover' of Europe r the same that Hitler aroused among ur forefathers against the Jews
faris710 10 months ago
geert wildog is zionist puppet his master in israel want more war and hatred between muslim and non-muslim in short,
rahmans420 11 months ago
harmony among all faiths.
terrorists dont have any faith.
no religion teaches killing people like geert wilders (holland mp) belong to the same group. just that at that time jews were bad in europe and now muslims are bad in europe.
thank god world has matured a bit against it.
chrizwan 1 year ago
islam is a violent and dangerous religion and the citizens of the european community better recognize this before it is too late. islam has destroyed the cultures of persia,christian turkey,byzanthia,christian syria ect; any country this religion has gone to it has damaged the cultural fabric of that nation making it lose its identity and become completly islamic.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: It was Islam that gave European Enlightenment its kick-start. It was Muslims who introduced ignorant Europeans to the ancient works of Aristotle, Socrates. It was the Islamic world that gave early European civilization Avicenna [Ibn Sina] & others. The world's first university, library, etc were created by Muslims.. your ignorance is no excuse for your racist hatred. Even those with a brain the size of a pea would benefit from reading:
en[dot]wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 this the old rhetoric that every muslim comes up with when confronted with their own gross misconduct. that was a thousand years ago what about now? are muslims making any effort to to make advancements in science to benefit mankind now? the obvious answer is NO! too many islamic countries are busy building weapons to either obliterate israel or intimidate the west or they are busy killing westerns or running suicide bombings. remember darfur? and you call me racist islam is not a race
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: How can Muslims do anything constructive when most of them have dictators who are supported financially and militarily by the great 'democratic' West? Colonialism, imperialism, plundering of resources. YOUR countries carry out these things in Muslim states via puppet governments installed to protect YOUR interests and here you have the audacity to rant about why there is no 'advancements'? Even in current circumstances, Muslims have produced Nobel Prize winners to say the least
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 Dont you dare blame islams corrupt leaders on the western governments we are not to blame at all, the real people to blame are muslims and the way they interpret the quran to suit their own cultural and tribal hatreds. i have traveled to many islamic countries and i have seen the same vices and corruptions that plague the west. if the west is guilty of imperilism and colonialism plundering resources Islam is equaly guilty of totalirism and cultural oppression.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: hahah what an ignorant runt you are.. Do tell us how many 'dictators' in the Islamic world actually practice Islamic laws? Next time when you travel to Islamic countries which do not have democracy, take up a history course for starters... Countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc all have puppet governments kept in place by financial and military ties of the West.. these puppet dictators deny freedoms to their populations & the great champions of democracy in the West ignore
faris710 1 year ago
@doctorw2: Your pathetic and feeble arguments regarding tribal hatreds & what not are frivolous to say the least.. the same tribal squables, etc existed while Islam enjoyed its Golden Age without Western imperialism in the equation.. Your hypocrisy mirrors that of your two-faced leaders who boast of 'Western democracy' but turn a blind-eye to the same yearning desire for democracy and freedom by Muslim masses so that oil supplies to your car & heated homes remain secure with predictable prices!
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 Islams so called golden age was not so golden for the people the muslims conquered under the banner of islam persia lost its unique cultural identity so did turkey and many other nations. The so called muslim masses dont want democracy they want the world to turn islamic and be under sharia law. those so called dictators that you say the west placed there are in fact the people the mullas and imams placed there to carry out their diabolical religious and political schemes.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: Continued exhibition of ignorance.. Ask today's Iranians.. they are as much Persian as Islamic.. re-educate yourself on the Spanish Reconquest by Izabella & Ferdinand.. Muslim Spain was light-years ahead of neighboring France to say the least.. even with the butchery & wanton destruction that Izabella & Ferdinand wrought on Moorish Spain, they could not erase Islamic influence.. wherever Islam went, it granted rights & freedoms.. You need to get some education for a change.
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 wrong! there are people all over iran who want to return back to their native religion zoroastranism and leave islam and i hope they do just that becuase the mullas in iran are completly corrupt. I hope they are able to rename their country back to its original name persia and discard every vestige of islam. this will inspire others to do the same and other nations will finaly get their true ethnic and national liberty back.wherever islam has gone it has erased the identity of others.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: nothing but haughty hyperbole.. Zoroastrianism is very much alive in Iran and exists in Pakistan as well as in India.. Your ignorance is aptly demonstrated when u say, '.. hope they can rename their country as Persia'.. Ludicrous! Persia was the name allotted to a 'region'.. based on the region's biggest medieval empire.. Going by ur theory, perhaps Turkey should rename itself as Ottoman, Hungary & Austria as Habsburg, etc.. U've lost the plot of the argument & are now jst ranting
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 the zoroastrians that are in muslim countries can not practice their religion openly and you know that becuase they would be imprisoned for doing so just like christians and jews can not practice their religion openly in muslim countries. yet muslims can go anywhere and practice their faith thats just unfair and unjust. i would like to see iran go back to being persian and turkey go back to being a part of europe and go back to its christian roots. Islam needs to stay in saudi arabia
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: Zoroastrians as well as others cannot practice their beliefs freely in many Islamic countries, NOT because of Islam but because of repressive dictatorial/authoritarian rule of family dynasties, theologians, etc supported by the same Western world that boasts about freedom of speech, religion, expression. Your remark regarding Islam remaining is Saudi Arabia goes to show how redundantly ignorant you are. Just cuz Islam's two main holy sites are in S.A today, doesn't mean Islam is Saudi
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 now you know that isnt true, if anybody practices any other religion besides islam in islamic countries they are either jailed,killed, or beaten so severly they would wish for death and that is becuase of sharia law a muslim ordiance so stop blaming the west we are trying to get peoples freedom not hinder it. this is a difficult task due to imams and muslim clerics hindering progress in the name of islam. Islam did start in saudi arabia muhammad was a meccan.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: More ignorant B.S! Apart from Middle-Eastern countries with Western-backed puppet dictators; countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, even Bangladesh and Pakistan have relaxed atmosphere for non-Muslims where hundreds of Churches, Synagogues & Temples exist and are used regularly by their adherents.. So instead of ranting away like an empty tin-can, pick up a good book & re-educate yourself on some ground realities instead of bickering away with your rhetorical polemic
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 that is not true and you know it the very muslim countries you have named are on the top of the list when it comes to human rights violations. especialy pakistan.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: Simply saying 'this is not true', doesn't make it untrue.. I can give u an entire list of Christian Churches, Buddhist & Hindu & Sikh Temples in Pakistan to go visit.. This is not to say its a gleaming example of Human Rights but the truth is for all to see.. Pakistan has Sikhism's two most Holiest sites which is visited by almost 5-7000 Sikhs each year and a massive festival takes place.. freedom to do that is guaranteed by the Pakistani state
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 listen muslims treat other religious groups as second class citizens and that is a fact. christians have been severely persecuted by muslims also jews have been persecuted and killed by muslims. a beautiful and ancient christian church in turkey the hagia sophia was turned into mosque. the dome of the rock where the jews had their temple is dominated by the al aqsa mosque and wherever muslims have invaded other peoples lands they desecrate their holy sites by building mosques.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2: Same rhetorical jibberish. Muslims have been no more unjust to non-Muslims than Christians have been to non-Christians or Hindus to non-Hindus. Must I remind you again to re-educate yourself on history and go figure what Ferdinand and Isabella did to Muslims & Jews when they reconquered Spain from Muslim Moors? Jews were persecuted soo much that they crossed what is known as the Straits of Jibralter today and took refuge in Muslim kingdoms. I dont have to tell u wut Hindus do in India
faris710 1 year ago
@doctorw2
liar. answer: Andalusia
reaperq88 1 year ago
@faris710 Due to the Invasion of Iraq the Catholic community has been murdererd and driven out of the country. Despite the fact that Christians lived un molested previously. About a 1/4 of Saddams staff were Catholics.
hsybcmpny 1 year ago
@hsybcmpny: Them living unmolested for centuries is itself a testament of the peaceful coexistence among Christians and Muslims.. what has happened to the Catholics recently is fringe groups like Al-Qaeda trying to stir up religious divisions to make Iraq unstable while also being motivated by the American troop presence in the country to do so. Muslims Iraqis are still living peacefully with their Christian counterparts.
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 Yes, but some of the religious rhetoric used by Bush and others in the American government and media is a direct influence also. And Al Qaeda was only able to gain a substantial foothold and a fresh recruitment of man power in the region due to the American led invasion. By all accounts its a complete mess.
hsybcmpny 1 year ago
@ibnrush1 - Pffftttt.... a hero?
This guy got the bulk of his support in the Dutch elections in his home province, look at the 2010 election map. You know what that means? It means that people only voted for him because they come from the same local place as him - since when the fuck does anyone vote on that basis?
This is the same guy who talks about "Moroccan and Antillean street terrorists", he's not a hero, you don't even take a guy like that seriously...
HalfLifeFan91 1 year ago
only a coincedence that most muslims are mostly non-white, eh? meanwhile the most insane religious idea of all time (the hindu caste system) is left virtually uncriticised. i support all attempts to integrate moslem immigrants. i even think that asylum policies might well be tightened. but nothing geert and his merry band of elves say will really help the situation. (and i wonder if geert thinks dutch actions in indonesia were justifued.)
salro99 1 year ago
i hope holland realises that in the event you do send the 'slims all packing, holland will become a pariah state on the level of North Korea and aparthed-era South Africa. And indeed! Muslims have done many, many, nasty things in the past and present. But, considering the terrible things Christians have done (google Lord's Resistance Army~now!) i suppose it's only a matter of time before the entire landmass of the Netherlands is totally depopulated.
salro99 1 year ago
@salro99 Dont be so negative. Insh2allah everything will be fine. You have a beutiful country. Just the media is playing an awful game. Our civilizations had some great eras together. Look up Salahuddin or the Moorish civilization in Spain. Just the communication now is awful because there is a third party involved THE MEDIA. I dare you to walk in a mosque (Just take off your shoes ;)) and watch everything going on with your own eyes instead having the third party just tell you everything.
mmitwaly 1 year ago
Dutch people are most racist and most stupid people on this planet.
madeinhinduindia 1 year ago
@madeinhinduindia Honestly I take offence from that statement. I am dutch and let me tell you I have a sense of shame for what has happened recently with Geert WIlders' party becoming so great.
I assure you that we are not that racist and certainly not stupid, which one might deduce from our high number of college students.
We have unfortunately grown more intollerant. Which is something I am far from proud of. But please, do not generalise us all for the choices of a few select idiots.
Shaudh 1 year ago
@Shaudh
Well i could not care less if you are offended dude. The fact remains that 1.2 million morons who are so called EDUCATED racists idiots votes for this NAZI party of Geert Wilders who's main objective is to target one group. Today its Muslims tomorrow it will be Hindu's then other community. The sad thing is that coward mainstream parties are also adopting the RACIST agenda of Nazi Geert Wilders. So again 1.2 million people are not FEW!!
madeinhinduindia 1 year ago
@madeinhinduindia How is it racist to want to end terrorism? Obviously over a million people saw that muslims are a problem and chose to do something by electing Geert. He is a great man and a voice of freedom.
By the way, islam isnt a race, so if someone doesnt like islam, they are not a racist. If you went to a real school instead of a muslim one you would know this. Maybe now that I have educated you you'll make less of a fool of yourself. ;)
isIam4losers 1 year ago
@Shaudh Admitted that 1.2 million people is a lot, however it is important to consider that in no means is it a majority of the voters. It is about 10%. Although I hate that already that 10% of the voters voted this. But 90% is the voters did not agree to the extend that they wanted to vote for him.
With only 10% as a basis for claiming that the dutch people as a whole are the most racist and stupid on the planet, is factually incorrect and shows signs of one's own lack of intelligence.
Shaudh 1 year ago
@Shaudh
Hopefully you can translate your sentiment into the language of common sense.
madeinhinduindia 1 year ago
@madeinhinduindia Alright:
10% of voters voted for Geert Wilders' party.
90% of voters did NOT vote for Geert WIlders' party.
Therefore to state that a majority of the dutch people is racist is factually unfounded. To state otherwise suggests a limited intellect to interpret these numbers correctly.
On a different note it is interesting to see that you seem to hold some similarity with Geert WIlders. You seem to express yourself in a similarly questionable method.
Shaudh 1 year ago
Don't you realize that G. Wilders spreads hatred? His propaganda towards the Islam will make it more and more difficult to live together peacefully in this beautiful country. PVV tramples the reputation of our Netherlands under his foot, but many of us don't put the hatred and fear stoking views into question! If supported, the PVV will slowly take away peacefulness and tolerance. Wilders sows hatred - don't let it harvest. Don't join, decide for love instead of hate!
camelliasinensis1 1 year ago
@faris710 Enlighten me then. What is Islam to you? A religion of peace? A religion of tolerance? Really? Point out what Im ignorant about.
Giralt1000 1 year ago
@Giralt1000: First go figure out, how many 'amputations', 'stoning to death', etc were actually carried out under the rule of Islam's Prophet and his first four Caliphs.. there are strict legal requirements that must be met for any such punishment to be carried out.. if you consider Taliban and/or the Saudi regime to be the flag-bearers of Islam, nothing could be more further from the truth.. Both of these regimes have made a mockery out of Islamic teachings which is only fodder for ppl like u.
faris710 1 year ago
@Giralt1000 Islam is a religion of peace to those who want peace. But for those who declare war against Muslims, then it is a religion of war until peace is want again. If you go walk in the streets of Beirut, you will be almost forced in someones home to have dinner with people you never met in your life. Just because you are a guest. But if you are Israeli (Completely destroyed Beirut) then you will be attacked by a machine gun.
mmitwaly 1 year ago
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@Giralt1000, here are quotes from Koran itself:
And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
2:191
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
@Giralt1000 yes George Washington 2
Killuminati911 1 year ago
PREPARE FOR A CATHOLIC STATE - OR PREPARE FOR YOUR BURKA
Secular governments are deliberately Islamising the west - to offset ageing populations and strengthen themselves against China! Only a Catholic state will resist! Beware
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula: yeah right! and what have you been smoking lately one might ask..
faris710 1 year ago
@amaqula If Muslims leave Europe you will be left with very old people and a shrinking population.
mmitwaly 1 year ago
@mmitwaly
I know that very well. That's why a CATHOLIC STATE is the perfect antidote for Islam and secularism :)
amaqula 1 year ago
@amaqula In London Ontario, the Muslims wanted sharia court to handle Muslim civil issues. The government accepted it. The Zionist Media in North America and Europe started to make a global up rise against our government. The government apologized to the Muslims and stopped the idea. The only support Muslims had were the CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF CANADA. They said "You might think something is bad for you but actually is good" because Islamic law is almost identical to the real Christian law.
mmitwaly 1 year ago
@amaqula - If Holland were ever to become a Catholic state, or even a Christian state (AGAIN!) for that matter, I would fucking leave as fast as possible.
Fuck the Catholic state, fuck the corrupt Catholic church.
HalfLifeFan91 1 year ago
freedom of speech is not banning a koran, which geert proposed, geert wants to ban mosques in holland where people have the freedom of their god and speeches of their believes, geert does not want freedom of speech for everybody , not a brilliant speech he breaks our law by discriminating, and polarizing the worst of people believes that are not christians or not jewish.. shitty deal
mrzwerus 1 year ago
it wont be a satirical film if it ends up being proven right. Total tolerance and acceptance of everything in europe is really bad for the future of europe. We dont stand for anything anymore, in europe we stand for everything. Total freedom at the price of everything else is obviously a bad thing.
trigga1uk 1 year ago
geert wilders speaks of a koran which is terrible, ive read passages in the koran and have been shocked, apparently ive interpreted them wrong but i think they are clearer than daylight. and if they are open to interpretation it cannot be the perfect wordd of god. right.
oshea1111able 1 year ago
same old rhetorical polemic.. which verses have you read from the Qur'an? and what has shocked you in the verses.. please enlighten us ignorant souls with your bountiful knowledge.. If you are going to quote same 10-odd verses that every Islamophobe copies off of Islam-bashing websites, dont bother wasting our time since you'd just add yourself to the list of dime-a-dozen basement intellectuals running amok on youtube
faris710 1 year ago
@faris710 As if those 10 quotes weren't enough...Anyhow, actions speak louder than words. The answer is in the slogans which muslim use on demonstations on our streets. "jihad is the answer", "europe you will pay". "islam will dominate you dogs" etc...etc...etc....
MissBlackyCat 1 year ago
@oshea1111able There is interpretation because the Arabic language used is a bit complicated for the new Arab generation and new comers to Islam. One word in classical Arabic might need a sentence in English. This is what happened to the bible. When translated a lot of it was mistranslated.
mmitwaly 1 year ago
Yeah islamophobia doesn't exist.. Well India and a whole lot more countries would have been saved, had the Muslim 'emperors' not arrived. And please do your research before going on saying those emperors did good. You are talking to one who is doing research in South Asian History.
exnol 1 year ago
I hold a Major in South Asian history and I can tell you for a fact that Muslim emperors did more good than harm to India, its peoples and its culture. Don't make haughty claims that have no leg to stand up on..
faris710 1 year ago
Oh yeah? then travel around here and see for yourself mate. That would probably open your 'eyes'.
exnol 1 year ago
One doesn't have to travel in India to find out legacy of Mughal rule.. their legacy is abundantly stored in history, culture, etc and today's India openly embraces it - apart from some Hindutva fascists who cry hoarse to the contrary.
faris710 1 year ago
You're quite right, faris710.
bollockowithalob 1 year ago
Geer's Islamophobia is just like Hitler's Judeophobia.
falkhalili 1 year ago
@faris710
Your degree is biased with your religious values.
Where did you do your degree from? Afganistan, Pakistan????
Who taught you? Mullahs......
amitp2 1 year ago
Pim Fortyn was killed by a nature activiced idiot.
narjara21 2 years ago
As for this video. No, I don't think that all Muslims who settle in Western countries do so with the intent to overthrow democracy and set up Sharia law. However, if somebody walks up to somebody and threatens to kill them, that person can be arrested and charged for that, but when a Muslim holds up a sign inciting death to "blasphemers", they are not arrested and charged with inciting death. Hypocritical nonsense. Those are the Muslims that should be jailed or deported.
tothboy01 2 years ago
Islamophobia does not exist, there is no reflexive dislike of Islam simply because it is the other. Resentment of Islam is based om its inherent expansionism, its sanction of violence, its misogyny and the bombs that go off on our streets. Why is there no Buddhophobia? This bullshit neologism was invented by leftists and Muslims who want to describe dislike of Islam as some sort of neurosis, and it is extremely contemptible.
xburningheavensx 2 years ago
There's no Buddhophobia cuz no Buddhist country sits on Oil reserves.. No Buddhist country was the target of savage Crusades.. and no Buddhist countries border Christian lands.. Problem with Christian states - parading as 'secular democracies' is that they failed to establish a foothold in Mid-East before, they are still failing.. they cannot understand why there is another dominant force in the world other than their own.. As long as idiots like you exist, the problem will persist.
faris710 2 years ago
@faris710
No Buddhist country shits on individual freedom or advocates the overthrow of Democracy, or accepts that Islam must subordinate itself to freedom, and accept offense without returning violence.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
Really? What do you think Myanmar [Burma] does? I bet in your dreamland, Myanmar is a beacon of Buddhist love for democracy??
faris710 2 years ago
Are people tortured and killed, not just by Buddhists but also in the name of Buddhism? Do Buddhists from Burma immigrate to the West in large numbers and demand we shred our belief in liberty to accommodate Sharia Law (a form of Fascism by any neutral standard). Do Buddhists try to murder cartoonists for expressing themselves?
Are Muslims willing to recognize the absolute right to disrespect Islam publicly without any retribution? If not, they are subhuman traitor shit unworthy of Democracy.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
NO ONE has 'absolute' right to disrespect anyone.. In Spain, anyone can be jailed for criticizing the Royal Family.. in Germany, Austria, etc people can be jailed for even 'questioning' the official historical version of Holocaust because it is deemed a 'disrespect' to Jews and anti-Semitic.. Ur hypo-critical nonsense has no leg to stand on..
Just like you advocate for Buddhists, similarly a lot is done in the name of Islam that does not pertain to Islamic teachings.. Do continue ranting.
faris710 2 years ago
I routinely bash those nations for that exact reason, as well as Ireland and Britain, and I am perfectly free to.
While I do believe you have an absolute right to disrespect anyone and anything, which is in fact the case in the US legally, that isn't the issue I was addressing. Even when a nation has censorship, you have a duty as a citizen to bring grievances to the people and government in a Constitutional way, you cannot just attack or assassinate people you disagree with.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
I guess that lecture of not 'attacking' and not 'assassinating people you disagree with' should start at home.. While you rant about Western values, you forget that the same West attacks other countries under false pretext just because that other country disagrees with the West's demands.. and countries like Israel that the West loves to paint as a 'beacon of democracy' in the Middle East are the same ones assassinating leaders of the opposing side instead of using Constitutional ways
faris710 2 years ago
This man simply wants the Netherlands to remain Dutch, and Middle Eastern Muslims are not Dutch. If we demanded that Saudi Arabia allow there nation to become 50% European, and start allowing drinking and gambling and ban the execution, their heads would explode.
In America we don't have a problem with Islam within our borders because we assimilate populations and root out alternative ideologies to freedom and democracy. Europe talks about multiculturalism, but your culture is democracy or not.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
Your comments is nothing but sheer ignorance and rhetorical polemic exaggerated to the limits.. Please tell us which European country is going to have 50% Muslim population anytime in the next 100yrs even.. Netherlands is less than 5% Muslim inhabitants.. Wilders plays populist politics which goes down well with less-learned individuals such as you exhibit here.. European multiculturalism is a farce at best.. The only country where multiculturalism truly works to a great extent, is Canada
faris710 2 years ago
@faris710
Yeah, Muslims are really the innocent victims of a plot to slander them so that we can take their oil.... yeah.... thats why we faked all the major terrorist attacks on the US, Britain, Australia, and terror plots in Germany, France, Canada (also sits on huge oil reserves and no one is denouncing them). At least acknowledge Islam has not been an innocent victim in the way its perceived by mankind today, even if you don't think it completely owns its situation.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
That cynical comment was expect user Robertz1986.. Your zero-sum argument is inherently flawed.. None of my comments suggest that Muslims are being 'plotted' against or that any of the terrorist attacks were fakes.. I did not even go in to the whole terrorism topic.. I kept within the context of the initial argument which was the stereotype bias & generalization of Muslims across Europe based on the acts of a few who dont even follow the true Islamic teachings.. Learn to differentiate
faris710 2 years ago
You say a Muslim is someone who follows "true Islamic teachings" I say it is anyone who claims a Muslim identity. Neither is more authoritative. As for stereotypes, they are how people understand all foreign societies, the only way one CAN actually. They are based on general facts or views about society, and given that Islam and terrorism have in recent decades been connected at the hip, its not a baseless stereotype, just not the norm within Islamic cultures.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
If I claim to be an American, I wont be recognized as such unless I follow the American way of life, pass the citizenship test & what not.. Hence your assertion that anyone who claims a Muslim identity is a true Muslim is nonsense at best.. So since u claim Islam & terrorism are somehow connected based on general perception hence going by that theory, we would conclude the Christianity & mass-murder/genocide/holocaust are synonymous as well.. Not a baseless stereotype according to ur theory
faris710 2 years ago
@faris710
Canada is not multicultural. No Western Democracy can be "multi-cultural", you can have only one culture, and this is reflected in your government and society. Culture is primarily about ideas, not about how you dress or what language you speak, and Western Culture says that individual liberty is paramount. That people can say what they want and not be attack or imprisoned. This is not multi-cultural, this is Western, and to become anything but Western would destroy these principles.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
In my previous comment I stated Canada is 'more' multi-cultural than any other country.. There was no claim of Canada being 'absolutely' multicultural from my end.. Hence your attempts to be a pseudo-intellectual are just that.. Culture is propagated by the dress worn, language spoken since they manifest ideas & thinking.. so spare us the rhetorics.
faris710 2 years ago
So, we shouldn't make a film criticising Islam as violent because followers of Islam might... get violent?
Aeschylus 2 years ago
perhaps the problem with muslims is that they are too easily offended?
ag15ui11na19ldo80 2 years ago
that is certainly not the case.
faris710 2 years ago
A message from a British brother. If you think my son is in any way not good enough to marry your daughter, then I will fight to get you deported out of my country. That includes the non- muslim rascist chav scum that the U.K. is also littered with.
SteveArpo 2 years ago
Do you think islam will ever allow free speech? I doubt it, look at Saudi and the rest of arab states.
fairkoala 2 years ago
Saudi & 'other' Arab states have less to do with Islam and more to do with dictatorships that rule with iron-fists over their weak citizens with backing from powerful Western allies who are supposed to be the guardians of 'free speech', etc. First clean your own house & then worry abt others.
faris710 2 years ago
According to the independent group Freedom House, which determines how free a nation is based on democracy, government, civil rights, and similar categories, not a single "Islamic Country" is ranked as free. The injustices done in Saudi Arabia are done in the name of Islam with the support of Islamic clergy. They point to hadiths which specifically call for Human Rights violations as part of religious practice. The same is true in Iran, Syria, Sudan, and many other Sharia states.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
And who was the main force behind the creation of Saudi Arabia? The British. And who is THE steadfast ally of Saudi Arabia -> the U.S. Buy an Idiots Guide to Politics and see how dictators need foreign backers to continue their rule while using a pretense at the home-front to rule - in this case, conveniently using Islam as cover. Most of the countries you mentioned have at times or always enjoyed Western support for the dictatorial regimes that operate there since its expedient for the West.
faris710 2 years ago
r you saying that Saddam husein's Iraq had U.S backing? or Ahmadinijads iran? your just as bad as the others by using the term "the west" thats such an outdated term, what is this the crusades?
MrBlackmachismo 2 years ago
Who supplied weapons and cash to Saddam Hussein during Iraq-Iran war that lasted nearly a decade, killing thousands? It was Uncle Sam. Before ranting irrelevantly, it would help if you actually sat down to study a bit of history.
faris710 2 years ago
dutch are stupid people to allow their freedom sacrificed. they should come out in full support of Geert Wilders.
fairkoala 2 years ago
Yes please elaborate which 'freedoms' have the Dutch had to 'sacrifice' thus far..?
faris710 2 years ago
Freedom to criticize Islam and Muhammad, that's called freedom of speech. If I were a Dutch journalist who wanted to write an article on Muhammad's pedophilia with Aisha, I'd be prosecuted for hate speech and probably get some death threats to add to it.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Or you'd simply be the laughing stock of the academia given your ignorance regarding consummation of marriage, etc. Simply spilling vitriolic bile against a Prophet of a religion whom you are prejudiced against, isn't the best form of intellectual criticism you'd like to paint it as
faris710 2 years ago
I have no prejudice against Islam whatsoever, I have prejudice against the actions done in its name and to silence criticism against it, as I would against any form of religious extremism and any curtailing of free speech. Also spare me your casuistry, I have read the entire Qu'ran and many of the writings regarding Aisha I'm hardly "ignorant." And please by what sophistry do you defend the suppression of free speech?
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
There's a difference between constructive criticism and outright rhetorical insults.. Why is it illegal to question the Holocaust in many European countries? Why is criticism of Spanish Royal Family a punishable act? Why not let jihadis sell 'hate literature' on the streets of Brussels? Who decides where 'freedom of speech' is applicable and where it isn't? Spare us your arbitrary Euro-centric nonsense!!
faris710 2 years ago
Euro-centric? I'm a American. And I disagree with all the examples you cited, one should be allowed to criticize and even mock or insult any political figure, or question any historical event. In the United States we have actual free speech, unlike in Europe. Freedom of speech includes the right to insult someone. The only speech which needs protection is controversial speech.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Americans did not come from Mars.. Europeans settled in America whom off-spring you are today.. Euro-centric is a term applied to ALL of the Western world.. Splitting hair is not going to win you any browny points here.. And by the way, the area in question is EUROPE here, NOT America
faris710 2 years ago
Americans come from any country, not just Europe. And yes Europe is the question and I'm doing what I can to defend free speech for Europeans because we do share the same values and culture. Free speech is not restricted to polite speech, offensive speech is especially the province of the ideal of free speech.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Yes one wonders when the principle of 'free speech' will apply to those who question the extent of the Holocaust [let alone those who deny it outright] in Europe.. One wonders when 'free speech' will apply to Spaniards who want to criticize their Royal Family.. etc. I could go on & on.. Europe's charade of arbitrarily applying Freedom of Speech to what suits their political ends and not applying to what does not is quite pathetic indeed.. And you obviously have not grasped that as of yet.
faris710 2 years ago
And you hit another point with the term "euro-centric" by that you imply that the Islamic Culture has a right to be in Europe? Not hardly. People are allowed to freely practice their religion, but the Sharia and other aspect of Islam which pertain to its role in law or society at large have no place in a secular society. None. The West is a Judaeo-Christain/Humanist culture, those who wish to practice Sharia or Islamic Culture should stay in Islamic States.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
You obviously have no clue what I mean by Euro-centric and in what context the term was implied in my previous comment.. Sharia is just as applicable in so-called 'secular' societies just as Jewish law is in places like Britain & France - where Jews have their own religious courts. The West is NOT a 'Judaeo-Christian/Humanist' culture; thats a lot of contradictory terms bunched together. Get some real education in cross-cultural and religious awareness and then try to make an intelligent comment
faris710 2 years ago
No they don't. No one can be killed or mutilated for violating Jewish Law in any country. The Judaeo-Christian and Humanist traditions are intimately related as each one grew from the other. All people of any religion should have equal treatment under the law, not special treatment because of religion based on "cross-cultural and religious awareness."
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Oh! If my memory serves me correct, the Ku Klux Klan was a Christian organization, the Nazis were Christian [with Jewish collaborators], terrorist groups like ETA, FARC, GRAPO, etc all belonged to the Judaeo-Christian tradition.. Oh! And I almost forgot the nutjobs who burnt women by labelling them Witches during Europe's 'Great Witch Hunt' before some sense prevailed.. Jews already have special treatment in many European countries; Muslims are no different then to ask for same.
faris710 2 years ago
Come now. The Nazi's were not a Christian organization, they were a political party, and the KKK were not either. Although both tried to solicit Christian support for their racist ideologies. Wilders has not called for any violence towards Muslims, merely the deportation of extremists and an end to further Muslim immigration. That is in no way comparable to the Nazis or the KKK, and you well know it. And by the by, those incidents are the past, violent extremism is a present within Islam.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
So you're saying Nazis didn't go to Church? Didn't celebrate Christmas? Didn't have Easter? Didn't have Good Friday? Didn't have Thanksgiving? Alas! They did.. Wilders is a fascist, hiding behind the garb of ethnic Dutch nationalistic fervor to curry favor with the majority whites.. No one can be deported without being given the right to stand trial.. Wilders doesn't want to give that right to those, who, in his opinion or according to his ideals are 'extremists'.. That is plain B.S
faris710 2 years ago
Thanksgiving? Nazis. No because Thanksgiving is an American holiday, and the Nazis were in Germany. The Nazis were not a Christian organization, in fact they murdered and persecuted a number of Christians and Hitler was secretly anti-Christian. Wilders is not a fascist. He is not advocating a one party Corporate state, and he is not a bigot as he is not advocating blanket deportation of all Muslims, he is merely standing up against radical Islam and Islamification of Dutch society.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Hitler was 'secretly' anti-Christian. Thats the best one I've heard in a while.. Good on u mate! There's no Islamification of Dutch society.. For Islamification, Muslims would have to wield enormous political power in the country like the Jews do in the United States - but they don't. Hyping up the fear of Islamification is the only leg Wilders' politics can stand on just like the BNP in the U.K. Islamophobia and Xenophobia are on the rise across Europe, not just the Netherlands
faris710 2 years ago
Jews wield political power in the US? Haha. Nothing is further from the truth. Thanks for reminding me of what my old history professor used to say, "when you argue with a fool, you make a fool of yourself." You're an ideologue, there is no point to this discussion.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Kiddo, go back to school, get some education regarding the United States' political compulsions that create the most waves on Capitol Hill & then return to make comments.. It is common knowledge by now how powerful the Israeli lobby is in the United States; what power do Jewish business interests hold over US political will and to what extent is the Jewish electorate a make-or-break case in each presidential election.. wake up & smell the coffee
faris710 2 years ago
By definition fascism is a political system exhibiting a one party state in collusion with Corporate entities. Geert Wilders is an ardent supporter of Israel, and fascism was also characterized by anti-semitism. Wilders is not a fascist. Wilders is trying to prevent the Dutch indigenous population from becoming a minority in Islamized undemocratic nation.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
The Israeli state has little to do with Judaism apart from symbolism. It has more to do with Zionism. What you are describing regarding fascism is Classical Fascism and what machinery it required to operation in the early 20th Century. This is almost 2010 already, Neo-Fascism is the new deal which manifests itself differently from Classical Fascism.
faris710 2 years ago
In fact, those past injustices are exactly why those who value Western Judaeo-Christian and Humanist values, no matter their race or religious beliefs, should unite in defeating radical Islamostatism and preserving Western Culture. If I had been alive in the 1600's I'd have stood up against the Witch Hunts, and my own ancestors did stand up against the KKK and Nazis. The heirs of Western Civilization should do no less than preserve our freedoms, including that to mock and criticize Islam.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
The last time Europeans started 'mocking' and 'criticizing' a religion and its adherents, the Holocaust happened.. One wonders what the continent of barbarians calling themselves the beacons of civilization in only a measly 500yrs are going to perpetrate next
faris710 2 years ago
Islam doesn't mock and criticize, it annihilates. Islam is the source of the worst crimes against humanity in World History. Western Civilization has nothing to learn, and no need to be lectured by, Islamic Civilization.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
Ah yes! So it was Islam that was responsible for WWI and WWII? Correct? Go figure out who was Averroes, Avicenna, etc - the figures who formed the basis of Western civilization that took flight from the Enlightenment. Alas! For your ignorant mind, Averroes, Avicenna and others are all Latinized names of Muslim philosophers, mathematicians, chemists, artists, etc.
faris710 2 years ago
full support for someone who wants to ban the freedom of others? lol
Marenqo 2 years ago
Don't worry about that fairkoala, Geert Wilders political party gets the most votes if there would have been elections from december 2008 untill now according to polls.
If he would only focus on other aspects aswel instead of focussing just on Islam, he would convince many more people.
R1v1X 2 years ago
Geert Wilders politics revolves around false notions of Dutch nationalism that are built on xenophobia & Islamophobia.. discrimination.. politics of ethnicity, race and nothing else
faris710 2 years ago
nederland is vol.
vol met facisten,pedofilen,kerken,hoofddoeken en achterlijke nederlandse volk.
SSkiteboarding 2 years ago
It's hard to take the seriously the Muslim in this vid as he denies the intent of Islamic imperialism, since even those not familiar with the goals of Islam in the texts can just look around at what's happening, it's so far along. And Geert Wilders is only increasing in popularity, despite the many misrepresentations of him, such as this video.
EncompassedRunner 2 years ago
putting blame of Imperialism on others by Europeans sounds quite rich to start with.. Lets not forget that the 'great' European states of today stand where they're at after plundering other nations via colonialism particularly Muslims since their lands sat on oil reserves.
faris710 2 years ago
Ok let's say you right and Europeans and Americans build their wealth on you .What it says ? That you was and still incapable to defend yourselves and your interests ?
BTW Only reason Pakistan is existing is British colonialism .If not Brits ,you would still be Indians .
Mifodiy35 2 years ago
Ignorant runts like you come dime-a-dozen on youtube.. Your racist thoughts exhibit that you are incapable of blurting out an intelligent remark even by mistake.
faris710 2 years ago
Correction - not racist , islamophobic thoughts .
However you still didn't answer what does it say about you ,if you let European colonialism to exploit you ?
Mifodiy35 2 years ago
It is racist.. It is akin to saying; black people were slaves, so it must be the blacks who are to blame for becoming slaves.. Try saying that to an Anthropologist, Historian or any serious academic and you would told how ignorant you are.
faris710 2 years ago
... and following that you will say, because the Jews suffered the Holocaust; it must have happened because of them.. its a downward spiral to blissful ignorance, fyi.
faris710 2 years ago
The Dutch people are STUUUPID. You don't even listen to your leaders. You deserve to become Islamic. I hope you all love being Islamic nation.
mdr22315 2 years ago
we know you are a European Islamophobe.. no need to advertise your fascist hatred
faris710 2 years ago
People who go berserk and commit acts vandalism and murder, Are playing into Geert Wilders' hand.
Honestly I blame "multi-culturalism" ,It never gives importance to Assimilation and integration, Which is necessary for social cohesion and harmony, Interculturalism is a more sound philosophy.
What Muslims should do is hold pro-secularism and democracy marches, You need to affirm that you do share these values in common and your not out to dominate anyone.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
Good point but European leaders and perhaps their populations would want to learn a thing or two from Canada about multi-culturalism; it may not be perfect, but it works..
If you dont know this already, it was GALLOP I believe who conducted a survey of Muslims all across major European countries in March where they found, high percentages of Muslim populations identifying themselves as Brits, French, Germans, Dutch, etc - sharing similar values as other Europeans.
faris710 2 years ago
People continue to toss out the word "fascist", Never in its true context, Fascism is a political totalitarian ideology that began in Italy largely in response to the rising Marxism.
None of which has anything to do with Islam or any religion, Those who seek to merge religion and state together are called Theocrats.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
fuck Geert Wilders STUK White trash
ttarzann 2 years ago
But who has the last laugh you fuckin idiot,this guy has no idea of what will happen if nothing is done,long live Geert Wilders
naybobdenod 2 years ago
you're the descendant of the same breed who once said 'Hail Hitler'..
faris710 2 years ago
It's interesting to see how Islam reacts to things as freedom of speech. Yes they may say they believe in freedom of expression.
Until you draw Mohammed the prophet.
They may say everyone is equal but let's not try build churches of other kinds in their countries of origin, in that case we are not THAT equal.
Women are equal to men but they have to be covered from head to toes.
Don't try make it as if everything is honky-dory, it's not. Islam's double standards is what's problematic.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
More empty rhetorical bickering by the yet another ignorant runt with no facts outlined..
Almost all Muslim countries have Churches, Synagogues, etc. Women's rights have been handed down by Islam long before Europe woke up to the idea. Ofcourse Western-backed dictators will enforce restrictions on those seeking to challenge the status-quo.
Talk of double-standards from an Islamophobe like you is worthless. A look at your profile is enough to know kids like u on utube come dime-a-dozen
faris710 2 years ago
Women's rights have been "handed down by Islam long before Europe woke up to the idea"? Then why are they not allowed to study any subject they want or they cannot vote, travel without the explicit approval of husband or a male guardian, drive, or work in most government offices, this you see in Saudi Arabia. And this is only thanks to Sharia law, hence only possible with Islam.
It's funny how you only reply to some things I say, why not say something about freedom of expression?
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
And please tell us what 'Islamic' injunctions in the Qur'an does Saudi Arabia really cite to deprive women from driving, etc. If Saudi Arabia, the custodian of Islam's holiest places was so right in its stance, other Muslim countries would have followed suit but that is not the case. Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy put in power & supported by the West.
No point in u harping about freedom of expression in Saudi Arabia when the biggest benefactor of it is the United States?
faris710 2 years ago
Saudi Arabia has had Wahhabism entrenched in its culture , Its laws and customs reflect the adherence to Abd al-Wahhab brand of Islam, The Taliban are its biggest proponents outside of Saudi arabia.
The Saud Monarchy is simply pandering to appease these groups within the Kingdom, They are afraid that they will be toppled like the Pahlavi family in Iran.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
Furthermore, it's not only in Saudi Arabia that you see such challenging issues towards women. Iran also has Islamic Law and you see again similar patterns.
I didn't call you anything and yet your typical attitude call me an Islamophobe. If by Islamophobe you mean a person who values government separate from religion then so be it.
If by that you mean a person who values human rights, equality, true freedom of expression then so be it.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
Iran has Islamic Laws but have you ever been to Iran? I suppose not. Hence your rhetorical fact-less bickering. Women drive freely in Iran, etc.
You are an Islamophobe; a term applied to those who preach fear of Islam to others without knowing or even understanding an iota of what the actual reality is.
Muslims dont need lecture on human rights from the 'West' that only woke up to that idea in the latter half of the 20th century.
faris710 2 years ago
Yes women drive freely but they are required by "moral laws" to wear headscarves. This is even reqired for non-muslims! Apostasy is punishible by death. Criticism of themullahs is punishible. Jews are required to support Iran's anti-Zionist stance. Jews cannot hold an officer position in the military. Media is censored. Alcohol is forbidden. All political candidates must be approved by the mullahs. The fact that Iran calls itself an islamic Republic should tell you something is wrong.
saladcommander 2 years ago
Again; lets not forget Iran is not perfect and is a theocratic state.. 'Islamic Republic' is a misnomer.. Next door Pakistan is an 'Islamic Republic' too but it is NOT a theocratic state.. and the only 'democracy' touted by the West in MiddleEast, Israel is nothing but an apartheid state posing as a democracy. Land-grab & religious backing given to Jews above all others are very simplistic examples of that. Point of all this? I used Iran as a simple example to show driving is not banned in Islam
faris710 2 years ago