man, you can tell this is from '99. no republican presidential candidate running in today's political climate would dare speak so directly about why abortion should be legal. they might shy away from the question, but they'd never go as far as mccain did here, throwing it in the face of pro-lifers by asserting that overturning roe v wade would result in a public health crisis for young women (which it would.)
@RadiateYourLove94 Okay, that's fine. You don't want an abortion, so don't have one. However, that doesn't mean that you have the authority to tell women exactly what they can and can't do with their own reproductive organs. A foetus is not a person. Fact.
@VanDoodah Abortion is not a right . The Bible recognized the unborn as a human being.
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
@RadiateYourLove94 Even if that child were a consequence of rape, and even if you had no money, were living on your own, your parents would never want to talk to you again, everyone in your family would look down on you, you would have to leave school, you'd never be able to be whoever you always wanted to be, and your child could possibly die on the table just like you upon giving birth?
@RadiateYourLove94 i am not pro-abortion, but i am pro-choice. No woman wants to end a life. Abortions happen because they were raped, it is discovered that the child has a very serious genetic defect, or the mother cannot carry the child without causing damage to herself . Another reason is that the woman does not have the time or resources for pregnancy. Women have to invest huge amounts of time, effort, and $ into carrying a child, and sometimes they can't put their life on hold.
@uniteagainsthumanity stfu with that rape shitt.....half of the people on this fucken planet are here and are aproduct of rape whether it was now or 7 generations ago....ever hear of slave owners raping the slaves and having bi racial kids...ever hear of the moors invading siclily and spain raping the women having biracial kids....noo reason makes abortion right..fuck u fucken liberal
@TheGabby07 Every person in America has the opportunity to support themselves, no mater where you grow up or what race you are. I admit, there's not equal opportunity, but there's still opportunity, so for all you liberals out there whining and complaining about how the government doesn't support you, buck up and get a life!
John McCain would be ambivalent on the subject of abortion, because he cheated on his physically-disabled first wife, and then dumped her so he could marry a richer, younger woman. Adultery is one of the principal causes of abortion.
Conservatives are completely ignorant and hypocritical lol. "Abortion is wrong because its killing someone, so lets support the death penalty and reduce the amount of healthcare." There are so many things wrong with denying women the right toabortion... almost as many things as there is with being a conservative.
@Randomidable IF the unborn fetus is indeed a human being than abortion would be the unjustified murder of an innocent human being. The death penalty is not the unjustified murder of an innocent human being. And reducing the amount of healthcare is not the unjustified murder of an innocent human being either, therefore, the conservative position isn't incoherent, hypocritical, inconsistent or contradictory, and I don't appreciate you calling me ignorant, that is completely uncalled for.
@atbigdog24002 If abortions were made illegal the number of women performing illegal abortions would rise dramatically, increasing the rate of death of not only the tiny ball of cells with no conciousness, but also the full grown women. Not only this, but women would be forced to give birth to a child they cannot support, and thousands of children would suffer the statistical consequences of being unwanted. Making abortion illegal is not only unconstitutional, it is unhealthy for a society.
@atbigdog24002 Furthermore, keeping abortion legal not only protects womens lives and health, it protects victims of rape, it prevents discrimination against low income women who cannot afford to travel to get an abortion, making abortion illegal is an invasion of privacy and gives government the control of a persons body, anti abortion laws reduce the rate of poverty, as well as more unwanted births, and children who are born unwanted ar more likely to be abused, neglected, and disadvantaged.
@atbigdog24002 Lastly, i didnt call you any names, I called conservatives in general names. Conservatives always meddle with the lives of other people for the sake of "morality" not understand that what they are doing is immoral, hypocritical, and ignorant. They slow the progress of society's flourishing by reducing civil rights for groups such as women, gays, and the poor. They are stuck in the past, and most of them are a bunch of hics who can't accept change because it frightens them.
@Randomidable Well. . . I think the reasoning behind the death penalty is that the people on death row committed terrible acts of crime. Unfortunately there is always the chance they are falsely accused but still. Most people on death row have done wrong and if taking their lives is the only way to ensure the safety of others than that is a decision the government must make.
I am personally against both abortion and the death penalty.
@Randomidable very logical, saying an entire view is ignorant and hypocritical due to a neo-con saying it is wrong. youre actually the one being ignorant, not ALL conservatives are against abortion
@619stanley I didn't mean all conservatives, I was mostly talking about those conservatives who are against abortion. However, most of the the things MOST conservatives agree with are usually wrong. I never said ALL conservatives are ignorant and hypocritical, but apparently you werent "logical" enough to use context clues.
@Randomidable Wow. Are you actually suggesting that conservatives want to keep unborn babies alive just so they can make sure they suffer in life? Think about what you just said.
I happen to be against capital punishment, but killing someone who has committed a crime bad enough that the state deems the criminal worthy of death is NOTHING like denying a completely innocent unborn human the right to life. It's amazing that you would compare the two.
@IWEEW I never suggested that conservatives want babies to suffer in life. I am merely saying that conservatives only look at the superficial meaning of abortion ("killing" a fetus) and fail to go any deeper or actually think of the many negative outcomes of illegalizing aboriton. At the same time, they hypocritically support the death of criminals and reducing the amount of healthcare without adequately understanding the negative outcomes of either issues.
@IWEEW I never suggested that conservatives want babies to suffer in life. I am merely saying that conservatives only look at the superficial meaning of abortion ("killing" a fetus) and fail to go any deeper or actually think of the many negative outcomes of illegalizing aboriton. At the same time, they hypocritically support the death of criminals and reducing the amount of healthcare without adequately understanding the negative outcomes of either issue.
@Randomidable We can talk all day about whether or not politicians "adequately understand" the effects of their policies. What's at issue here is whether or not conservatives are, as you say, hypocritical for supporting the death penalty while opposing abortion. One is killing someone over the age of 18 for a serious crime; the other is killing a completely innocent person in the womb. If you understand the major differences, it's NOT hypocritical to support the former and oppose the latter.
@IWEEW Killing a criminal for "justice" only makes you no better than a criminal. A criminal is a fully conscious and developed human being with emotions, pain, etc. A fetus is a ball of cells that is not fully developed. Abortion has benefits including the well being of the mother as well as the child itself and society. The death penalty is only an act of vengeful violence that only achieves the effect of suffering and tells society that revenge is a good way of dealing with things.
@Randomidable Every single fetus is on its way to becoming a "fully conscious and developed human being," barring any natural miscarriage. Just because a fetus or embryo can't feel anything yet shouldn't mean it can be denied the entire life it faces.
@IWEEW If only things were so simple.... theres an incredible amount of factors to consider before saying that a fetus shouldnt be "denied" the life it may face.
@Randomidable It may have been conceived as a result of unintended circumstances, but those circumstances shouldn't have any bearing on the value the human life that has been created.
@IWEEW Im not going to go into depth on the topic because im not here to flood the comments section. However, if you did a little bit of research, you would find out that illegalizing abortion would be detrimental to not only women, but to society as a whole. Oh, and the circumstances under which it was created is only part of the issue... the problems that may arise for the child and the mother during and especially after birth are the real issue here.
John de Rothschilds McCain wants you to have your baby now so he and his band of zionpedosatanists can tax it first, then blow it up later with thermal nitrate/
hmmm punished with a baby?.....i wouldnt call a baby a punishment GOD made babys for a reason i dont agree..u shouldnt b teaching your children to be "safe" tech them to wait till marrage thats the way GOD desighned it...if u have sex before theres a huge chance u wont be able to provide for it with the things GOD wanted you to... wait thats all i can say and as for obama... well read revelation the times coming when we shall see JESUS coming in a cloud on his horse coming to get his children=)
This guy is a LIER !!!!!!!!!!!! Do your homework !!!!!!!!!!!!! He constantly contradicks himself,dont believe me ? Watch some of the other clips of his interviews,I cannot believe anyone would have ever considered voting for this guy .What a joke !!!!!
By the way, this video is misleading. The part where McCain talks about his desire to see Roe v. Wade overturned has been omitted. Very dirty, thehotline!
I'm against drugs, but illegalizing is a very stupid idea! People will still take drugs, which will make it unsafe.
I'm taking someone else's car without permission, but illegalizing is a very stupid idea! People will still steal cars, which will make it unsafe.
If we didn't pass a law because some people would break it, we would have no laws! Besides, with today's technology, you can bet illegal abortions would be done by medical professionals. Or they could just take an abortion drug!
Abortion is always a sad thing. However sometimes, it might be a woman's most smartest option. I personally would never want to get one, but I wouldn't judge a woman who did. I don't know all the circumstances in her life.
I am curious how you are for abortion, yet you are born. For all you know, your mom could of killed you before you were born and you wouldn't even be here. Jesus christ, a women's smartest option would be to have the child adopted. End of story asshole.
@TESIV4LIFE And it's that simple?! How about rape and incest victims, or parents whose child is known to be born with a dire sickness or a major handicap? Talking about a narrow mind..
Even a person with something like that can live. Lance Armstrong had cancer, but he overcame it...because he lived his life and beleived in himself, and someone with a sickness or handicap can perform the same thing.
@TESIV4LIFE And by the way, how the fuck is that even an argument "you wouldn't be here"?! To remove fetuses that are not wanted, and and saying KILL ME isn't quite the exact same thing..
Of course it is. You should be grateful you are alive because you could have been one of the many who have been abortioned. No person should be turned away simply because the are not wanted.
es abortion is wrong, i think we can all agree on that. abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.
however, there are times when aborting a baby is not ok, but necessary, what about rape and incest?, what about diseases the baby or mother might have?
there should not be an air tight law that says yes abortion should be legal, no questions asked, or no abortion should not be legal, under any curcumstances.
Exceptions to abortion? Are fetuses of rape & incest worthless, or should sexually active women who do not intend to reproduce get punished? When a anti-abortion person talks about exaceptions like rape or incest, its clear that meaning behind their stance is not for protecting fetal life.
the life of a fetus brought about by rape or incest is not worthless.
but if you force the woman who was raped to carry and have the baby, it could cause mental and emotional issues to the mother. and what makes you think that she will be a good mother to the baby, that she got from being raped?
The same mental & emotional issues can happen to any woman who is forced to carry & have a baby, not just a victim of rape. What do you think the women who want to have abortins will be good mothers to their babies, that they they don't even want & got from the law stripping them of rights to their own bodies?
In practical use, rapes are hard to prove and they would be even harder to prove with a bunch of women filing false rape charges to recieve abortions.
"the fact is no one can force people to do what they dont want to do."
But the fact is is that people can & already have for thousands of years, such as with rape, forced marriage, slavery, etc.
When people try to restrict people of their rights to do a certain thing, this thing will go underground in the black market where it becomes dangerous for anyone involved.
"no one ever said it would be easy "
But not only is it not easy, its totally unrealistic, impractical, & unneccesary.
yes and if it "goes underground" it will be even more dangerous, then if you do it at a hospital.
just because you can force someone to do or not to do something is wrong.
the fact that thousands of abortions happen because the mother is just not ready for a baby is wrong, and so to is the fact that alot of babies are born into less than ideal conditions.
if your not ready for a baby (financially or emotional) or just dont want a kid, use protection and birth control not abortion.
How is it wrong? If that has to do with what you above, a fetus is not a "someone". Its more like kicking a guy out of your own house, a guy who has no right to be in your house since its not his house, than forcing him to do something. Also, is forcing a women to go through a full term pregnany & give birth against their consent not wrong?
But what if you don't have access to birth control or what if the birth control fails?
How can anyone look you in the eye and declare that abortion is a "Pro Choice" issue. You either believe in the "Right to Life" or the "Right to Kill"!
No, you either believe that a woman has the rights over her own body or that she does not (i.e a fetus can override a woman's basic human rights & use/live in her body against her consent).
Abortion is not murder in any sense of the word. Abortion is legal; abortion is justified by being within a woman's bodily rights & security of person; & a fetus is not a person, especially not a legal person. I disagree, a fetus is not a human being. A fetus is human like my human organs & skin cells, but it is not a person. There is no such thing as a soul. I disagree, abortion is not wrong. In fact, I see it more as the right thing to do instead of throwing more orphans into adoption centers.
Bernard Natheson was co founder of NARAL in the 1960s. He was pro-choice and presided over 1000s of abortions at clinic. He eventually had a change of heart after witnessing ultra-sound tests on pregnancies. He became pro-life and denounced abortions.
The sooner the pro-choicers admitt their guilt the better chance you have of closing the issue.
it: prochoice admit guilt ahah..a million abortions EVERY yr....no on feels guilt dumbsass it: Nathenson QUOTE from Nathanson: "We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions," he said. "The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception.
When we purge the false assertion that life is a 'gift from god' then we can all move on and be on our merry way. Women that don't want abortions won't have them, women that do, will.... Like plastic surgery. And no one will care because there are already billions of extra babies polluting this planet
No the argument was based of potentiality of life. When you masturbate, millions of sperm cells are released and killed usually instantly. When inside a woman, only one out of the millions of other potential human lives survive. I produce thousands of potential lives each day. Even when fertilized inside the egg, there is still a great chance the egg will flow off the woman without the woman knowing her it.
"The argument I was alluding to was that the fetus is only another potential life."
The difference being, clearly, this:
Sperm = Sperm.
Sperm + Egg = Fetus.
It is true that early on, fertilized eggs can die, but abortion is the intent to kill fetuses which are clearly doing just fine and have connected properly to the uterus.
And I would argue that calling fetuses "potential human beings" is nothing but a comfort word, coined from prochoice propaganda.
we already know a baby is a legal entity, because a dr can be sued for causing a miscarriage... the issue is when does life begin, not personal rights and that answer lies in technology such as viewing an ultrasound or video of the development of a baby... Also, when 40% of all women have an abortion by age 40, we will still have a dishonest debate about the issue, because we will always be dealing with an irrational attempt to ignore evidence in order to justify past experiences...
also, to add to that kiwisunshine, malice is exactly how they kill babies. partial birth abortion: as soon as the head comes out of the woman's body, it is cut open, and the brain is discarded, the rest of the baby is removed and thrown away. now you tell me that is not malice
Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party.Its express when there is manifested a deliberate intention UNLAWFULLY to take away the life of a HUMAN BEING.
A fetus is not a baby nor human being. Abortion is justified by body domain rights & security of person, its justified like a rape victim that kills her rapist out of defense.
That is just the necessary procedure needed to get rid of the fetus from the woman's body.D&X procedures are rare anyways
"partial birth abortion: as soon as the head comes out of the woman's body, it is cut open, and the brain is discarded,"
Wrong. I'll tell you the sick reality of it:
Partial-Birth abortion: all of the baby is delivered EXCEPT for the head. If the head were removed, the baby would be a legal entity--and thus the abortionist must be EXTREMELY CAREFUL not to accidentally deliver the head.
While the head is still in the womb, the neck is punctured and the contents drained.
Oh, but intact dilation and extraction is pretty gross. It usually happens during the third trimester. I am against late term abortions. I would support that cause. However, I would not extend it onto first or second term abortions; they should remain perfectly legal.
Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned because it is unjust. period. Perhaps thousands may do back alley abortions anyway but millions of lives and souls will be saved by making it illegal. If there were anything that should be illegal, abortion tops the list.
54% of women who abort used birthcontrol. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of PERSONS usually with MALICE. Abortion doesn't fit this.
hey kiwisunshine5233, tell me.. what does that number have anything to do with how abortion isn't murder? also, your definition of murder is incorrect. it is the killing of an innocent human without due process of law. now in today's screwed up justice system, abortion may not be characterized as murder, but morally it stands as murder. as well, if you were to use your term of murder, then in that case abortion would be characterized as murder, ever heard of infantcide, or partial birth abortio
Murder is a LEGAL TERM that is not to be raped by your emotional appeals.Its like calling cow slaugther murder.Look it up in the dictionary.Abortion is legal,a fetus is not a human being (person),& abortion is justified by the woman's rights of bodily domain & security of person.Morals are subjective,they differ from person to person,& they don't mean shit w/o valid reason for them.A fetus is not an infant thus not infantcide. What about the D&X procedure?
If abortion happens too much, we solve this problem by educating people about birthcontrol & allow more people to have access to it, not by putting up restrictions.
Abortion is a form birth control no matter what, it prevents birth. Of course, abortion should be a plan C when condoms & the morning after pill fail, but I wouldn't want people who are stupid enough to use abortion as their only form of birth control to breed.
yes educating the public in proper birth control is important.
no if you have tried both condoms and birth control your pretty safe of not getting pregnant. its the idiots who dont use condoms and birth control who dont deserve to have a choice in the matter. you cant just abort a fetus because its an inconvenience or you just dont want it.
what kind of instances? rape, incest, and what if the unborn baby has a disease that is killing it and the mother?
Whats with restricting people based off of what they can or cannot do with their bodies based on whether they "deserve it" or not? The idiots are the ones that especially shouldn't be reproducing.
Actually, a person can abort for whatever reason they want, & their reasons are not for others to judge when its their business, their body, safer than going full term, & the fact that we do not need more orphans nor babies in this world anyways.
ok fine you may have sex without regaurd for the consequesnces or any protection, because if you get pregnant, or get someone pregnant, oh well just get an abortion. but what about the next time and the next?
all im saying is abortion is used too much for stupid reasons, USE PROTECTION
"Why a fetus from incest as an exception exactly?"
sense you whole heartedly support abortion, answering that question is pointless.
Just because I support abortion doesn't mean I think its okay to have unprotected sex. I personally do not care if someone has multiple abortions, just like I don't care if someone wastes their money on getting ugly tatoos & has them removed multiple times.
No its not pointless just because I'm okay with abortion. It'd be no different if I or anyone else asked someone wanting a fetus from an older couple, an interracial couple, or a fat couple to be allowed to be aborted while others cannot.
The fetus also has the potential to be a criminal or a total burden upon our society. Also, a woman who doesn't go full term & gives birth has more potential to rise from poverty, go to college, & pursue a meaningful career, thus becoming a valubale member of society. Point is, arguements that appeals to potential are fallacious.
Having a baby would be/is damaging for anyone; financially, mentally, emotionally, physically, & career wise.
"having a baby brings joy to the family, brings people together. "
Sorry, but bringing up a baby [you don't want] is not a happy fairy tale that society falsely makes it out to be. The biological father dumps you, lose touch with friends, gain a lot of weight, start working overtime, lose the energy to do the fun things you used to like doing, your mother now sees you just as the person who drops off her grandchild to her house, etc. This happens to many people.
""having a baby brings joy to the family, brings people together""""
This wouldn't be for a woman who gives it up for adoption. Some women grow attached to it once its born, even though they have to give it up for some reason, and then they go under depression after giving up a baby for adoption or make a big mistake by keeping it when their maternal emotions take control.
There are probably conservative families that pressure their kids into raising the baby & cut ties if they don't.
What about adult incestious couples, even those who are not brainwashed? What about an 17 or 18 year old girl couldn't stay or go to collge to become an engineer or a doctor if she gave birth now? What about those with depression, schizophrenia, or women like Andrea Yates? What about women who would commit suicide if they were forced to give birth, even if they're not rape victims or incestious? What about women who would stay or go down in poverty? What about mentally impaired women? etc?
then they have no one to blame but themselves, if you are bnot ready to have a baby, use protection or god forbid dont have sex.
condoms break, i know this, but even if they do that still does not mean she will get pregnant, and if she is on the pill then there is still less chance of it.
And if the government restricts smokers from recieving lung cancer treatement, they have no one to blame but themselves, right? Why should people never have sex when they can just get an abortion? Just because you don't like it & think its wrong?
People should learn to take "responsibility" (depending on what you view it as), but the government must not force them to take "responsibility". Abortion is not an easy way out, especially not in this type of society.
Except that fate dropped a puppy on to you & the government is trying to force you to take care of it when you don't even want it.
not having to spend eighteen years of your life teaching the child right and wrong, not having to spend countless amounts of money on it. seems like an easy way out to me.
fate has nothing to do with it, babies dont just appear out of thin air, if your not think about "what if i get pregnant" when you do have sex, you an idiot.
and its not the baby's fault if your too cowardly to take care of your responibility
Do you expect these women to raise a child they don't want?
Abortion only seems like an "easy way out" because its being compared to 18+ years of hell. And just because an alternative is easier to do than the latter doesn't mean that it is less responsibile or the wrong decision.
Don't take it too literally. Its chance to get pregnant, that the birth control you use failed, that you were so drunk that you had unprotected sex w/ some guy.
no i dont expect women who dont want the baby to keep the kid. but there are less cost effective/ and less risky ways of getting rid of a child. besides isnt that way adoption centers were created so unwilling mothers could not have to take care of a kid?
What other way? Once you're pregnant, you have three choices:
1) keep pregnancy & raise the kid
2) keep pregnancy & throw kid to adoption center
3) abortion (of some kind)
Abortion is the least costy & least risky alternative.
Adoption centers are for any kid without parents such as due to them being dead, abusive, in prison, etc. We do not need more unwanted babies to push back the line of already existing orphans. There are more of them than there are people adopting.
Also, women get abortions because they not only don't want to raise a child, but they do not want to give birth, spread their genes, & put another kid/orphan on earth who can come back 18 years latter on their doorstep & ask to be a part of their life.
Why should they never have sex when they can just get an abortion?
And the biological mother may not want the child to find her. There might even be a law that will pass that will require biological mothers of orphans to pay child support, even if the kid gets adopted into a family. If a man is forced to pay child support even after a child is proven not to be his & his cheating ex-wife gets remarried, than this could certainly happen. I mean, you just don't know with these crazy politics.
Because the woman doesn't want the pregnancy for what ever reason. When you have an unwanted pregnancy, you abort it. Its as simple as that. Some women may go through a hard time to reach that decision & actually go through with it, & some women have already deeply thought about their dicision in case they ever get pregnant & quickly go through with their pre-determined choice.
How is it stupid exactly? I think its more stupid to give birth to a baby you don't want, can't afford, & that will prevent you from going to college, getting out of poverty, etc.
Even if it was stupid, the law can't really stop people from doing stupid things when it comes to their own bodies like a guy getting a butterfly tatoo on his neck, getting boob implants the size of watermelons, or letting 60 year old women get IVFs.
It has taken me some years to understand it, but now that I am 15 I understand. I do not know whether I had taken the abortion but. But I think he ought to distribute contraceptives at school.
What I say is that we can not make abortion illegal. People will still abortion using knitting, hangers, knives, etc. This may be risking her life, and when I ask you, who shall live? She has a family or an embryo without the family? Suppose that their mother kept them because she wanted it, not because of coercion. Many children born of parents who would not have the often ends up as a criminal, etc. Monday never abortion because you want it, you reflect often on the child's best.
@ibenpostmortem What research are you citing to support your statement that people would actually "take abortion by using knitting needles and scissors"?????
YOu don't sound against abortion when you recite the same tired talking points the pro-abortion crowd has cited for decades without one shred of support.
@ibenpostmortem Why?? It was already illegal in all 50 states before Roe v Wade. The activist jusdges knew they had a Constitutional problem with the constitutional provision where no person could be deprived of life or property without due process. So, conveniently they just changed the definition of the word "person" so now an unborn "thing" or whatever it is no longer had this due process protection. Why not have some punishment for those who cause the death of another human being??
yeah! eliminate abortion! Make all the stupid retarded pregnant teenage skanks have those babies and raise them! it'll be great! or we can throw them into orphanages! yay! that way they can bounce around between foster homes and be found starving and beaten, tied in basements! or they can grow up to be disfunctinal theives and criminals traumatized from years of mental and sexual abuse!
karlmarx if you comment is a response to mine, i don't know which Jews you're refering to, but i'm basing my argument on science and biology and not Bible, or Torah,or Koran, or any other religious book...
in the first 8 weeks of pregnancy you can't say it's a human being. it's just a bunch of cells with POTENTIAL of becoming a person should the mother choose to carry it. if you go with the whole "life starts at conception" argument you're wrong because life starts in the sperm and the eggs carrying genetic information to form a human being. so, wearing a condom, using birth control pills, etc. would also be murder according to this logic because you're interrupting a formation of another being.
Yes, you are right! Zero resolution to an actual problem than helping. Sure, if they don't want a child or to be pregnant they won't look for ways to do it anyways. Cool, I will look the other way and pretend is not legal and that is not happening right now. Why go to "Poland" just go to a Medical Center, make sure that it is for low income people. Sorry, I meant realistic, that's right REALISTIC!
You're changing the argument. You said that women are going to do it anyway so it should be legal and safe. I argued that just because people are going to do something doesn't mean that it should be legal. Because it's legal, women do have access to medical help, the procedure, and education. But if it WERE illegal, they shouldn't and the number of "back alley abortions" referred to in Roe v. Wade has been proven to be exaggerated (look up Bernard Nathanson).
You obviously don't get my argument! Unfortunately abortion is legal. If a woman wants to kill her unborn child, she should be have the right to find medical help in diff. ways, thru education, possible options .... the actual procedure. But if they decide to go for it they should be able to do it without risking their lives/organs. Ignoring that abortion is a problem in our country is like ignoring that people don't drink and drive.
You're right, I must not get your argument. I read what you said as "Women will still do it, no matter what. So do it safe. BE REALIST!" (I'm guessing you meant realistic) and that "if a woman wants to kill her unborn child she should...have the right to...do it without risking their lives/organs". I just don't buy into the argument that just because people are going to do something anyway it should necessarily be legal. Especially when that argument has been proven false (research Poland).
HardyTodd: I'm sorry but I can't agree that that's a valid argument. It's kinda like saying, well people are going to do drugs anyway, so why don't we regulate it, charge for it, and make it more safe, and then less people will do it in back alleys with dirty needles and laced products. That's just as realistic.
I don't agree with abortion as a contraceptive, but you need to be realist. It is legal, drugs are not besides nicotine and alcohol. If a woman needs an abortion for a particular reason they should be able to do it with the right medical staff and equipment. We need prevention thru education not by pointing fingers. Wow drugs and abortion, hummm two very different issues. Don't you think!
Actually drugs were not always illegal (and made so due to religious pressure). If needing something for a particular reason were acceptable, why can't people who want medical use of marijuana and other drugs easily get them with good
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TheManiNicole 5 months ago
what happened to this guy?!?!? This is the man i would have voted for!
Kimmis1990 5 months ago
man, you can tell this is from '99. no republican presidential candidate running in today's political climate would dare speak so directly about why abortion should be legal. they might shy away from the question, but they'd never go as far as mccain did here, throwing it in the face of pro-lifers by asserting that overturning roe v wade would result in a public health crisis for young women (which it would.)
sehnsucht333 7 months ago
It's A Friggin Child , Not A Choice.
You're Killing Someone .. Abortion Isn't The Way, I Don't Care What You People Say.
You Know What, If I Were Pregnant .. I'd Go Through Hell For That Baby. I Would Never Even THINK About Killing My Child ..!
RadiateYourLove94 8 months ago
@RadiateYourLove94 Okay, that's fine. You don't want an abortion, so don't have one. However, that doesn't mean that you have the authority to tell women exactly what they can and can't do with their own reproductive organs. A foetus is not a person. Fact.
VanDoodah 7 months ago
@VanDoodah And I Understand That I Don't Have That Authority , I'm Not Saying I Do.
I Just Put MY Thoughts Out There. (:
RadiateYourLove94 7 months ago
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@VanDoodah Abortion is not a right . The Bible recognized the unborn as a human being.
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
TheCatholicbeliever 6 months ago
@RadiateYourLove94 Even if that child were a consequence of rape, and even if you had no money, were living on your own, your parents would never want to talk to you again, everyone in your family would look down on you, you would have to leave school, you'd never be able to be whoever you always wanted to be, and your child could possibly die on the table just like you upon giving birth?
tomkingsbridge 7 months ago
@RadiateYourLove94 i am not pro-abortion, but i am pro-choice. No woman wants to end a life. Abortions happen because they were raped, it is discovered that the child has a very serious genetic defect, or the mother cannot carry the child without causing damage to herself . Another reason is that the woman does not have the time or resources for pregnancy. Women have to invest huge amounts of time, effort, and $ into carrying a child, and sometimes they can't put their life on hold.
uniteagainsthumanity 7 months ago
@uniteagainsthumanity stfu with that rape shitt.....half of the people on this fucken planet are here and are aproduct of rape whether it was now or 7 generations ago....ever hear of slave owners raping the slaves and having bi racial kids...ever hear of the moors invading siclily and spain raping the women having biracial kids....noo reason makes abortion right..fuck u fucken liberal
StatenIzzy1 7 months ago
@TheGabby07 Every person in America has the opportunity to support themselves, no mater where you grow up or what race you are. I admit, there's not equal opportunity, but there's still opportunity, so for all you liberals out there whining and complaining about how the government doesn't support you, buck up and get a life!
Novibru 8 months ago
Hey john Mccain you suck dick and you will never be pregnant in your life so shut the fuck up it's my choice not yours.
FoxyAngie1000 9 months ago
John McCain would be ambivalent on the subject of abortion, because he cheated on his physically-disabled first wife, and then dumped her so he could marry a richer, younger woman. Adultery is one of the principal causes of abortion.
mindspring57 10 months ago
In most cases, avoiding unwanted pregnancy is a simple matter of saying no.
mindspring57 10 months ago
Conservatives are completely ignorant and hypocritical lol. "Abortion is wrong because its killing someone, so lets support the death penalty and reduce the amount of healthcare." There are so many things wrong with denying women the right toabortion... almost as many things as there is with being a conservative.
Randomidable 10 months ago 6
@Randomidable IF the unborn fetus is indeed a human being than abortion would be the unjustified murder of an innocent human being. The death penalty is not the unjustified murder of an innocent human being. And reducing the amount of healthcare is not the unjustified murder of an innocent human being either, therefore, the conservative position isn't incoherent, hypocritical, inconsistent or contradictory, and I don't appreciate you calling me ignorant, that is completely uncalled for.
atbigdog24002 9 months ago
@atbigdog24002 If abortions were made illegal the number of women performing illegal abortions would rise dramatically, increasing the rate of death of not only the tiny ball of cells with no conciousness, but also the full grown women. Not only this, but women would be forced to give birth to a child they cannot support, and thousands of children would suffer the statistical consequences of being unwanted. Making abortion illegal is not only unconstitutional, it is unhealthy for a society.
Randomidable 9 months ago
@atbigdog24002 Furthermore, keeping abortion legal not only protects womens lives and health, it protects victims of rape, it prevents discrimination against low income women who cannot afford to travel to get an abortion, making abortion illegal is an invasion of privacy and gives government the control of a persons body, anti abortion laws reduce the rate of poverty, as well as more unwanted births, and children who are born unwanted ar more likely to be abused, neglected, and disadvantaged.
Randomidable 9 months ago
@Randomidable Sorry, i meant to say anti abortion laws increase the rate of poverty as well as more unwanted births.
Randomidable 9 months ago
@atbigdog24002 Lastly, i didnt call you any names, I called conservatives in general names. Conservatives always meddle with the lives of other people for the sake of "morality" not understand that what they are doing is immoral, hypocritical, and ignorant. They slow the progress of society's flourishing by reducing civil rights for groups such as women, gays, and the poor. They are stuck in the past, and most of them are a bunch of hics who can't accept change because it frightens them.
Randomidable 9 months ago
@Randomidable Well. . . I think the reasoning behind the death penalty is that the people on death row committed terrible acts of crime. Unfortunately there is always the chance they are falsely accused but still. Most people on death row have done wrong and if taking their lives is the only way to ensure the safety of others than that is a decision the government must make.
I am personally against both abortion and the death penalty.
mochamegan123 9 months ago
@mochamegan123 Weird, i'm in favour of abortion but against capital punishment.
tomkingsbridge 7 months ago
@tomkingsbridge Why would that be? (I'm not arguing I'm just curious what your viewpoint is)
mochamegan123 7 months ago
@Randomidable very logical, saying an entire view is ignorant and hypocritical due to a neo-con saying it is wrong. youre actually the one being ignorant, not ALL conservatives are against abortion
619stanley 9 months ago
@619stanley I didn't mean all conservatives, I was mostly talking about those conservatives who are against abortion. However, most of the the things MOST conservatives agree with are usually wrong. I never said ALL conservatives are ignorant and hypocritical, but apparently you werent "logical" enough to use context clues.
Randomidable 9 months ago
@Randomidable Wow. Are you actually suggesting that conservatives want to keep unborn babies alive just so they can make sure they suffer in life? Think about what you just said.
I happen to be against capital punishment, but killing someone who has committed a crime bad enough that the state deems the criminal worthy of death is NOTHING like denying a completely innocent unborn human the right to life. It's amazing that you would compare the two.
IWEEW 4 months ago
@IWEEW I never suggested that conservatives want babies to suffer in life. I am merely saying that conservatives only look at the superficial meaning of abortion ("killing" a fetus) and fail to go any deeper or actually think of the many negative outcomes of illegalizing aboriton. At the same time, they hypocritically support the death of criminals and reducing the amount of healthcare without adequately understanding the negative outcomes of either issues.
Randomidable 4 months ago
@IWEEW I never suggested that conservatives want babies to suffer in life. I am merely saying that conservatives only look at the superficial meaning of abortion ("killing" a fetus) and fail to go any deeper or actually think of the many negative outcomes of illegalizing aboriton. At the same time, they hypocritically support the death of criminals and reducing the amount of healthcare without adequately understanding the negative outcomes of either issue.
Randomidable 4 months ago
@Randomidable We can talk all day about whether or not politicians "adequately understand" the effects of their policies. What's at issue here is whether or not conservatives are, as you say, hypocritical for supporting the death penalty while opposing abortion. One is killing someone over the age of 18 for a serious crime; the other is killing a completely innocent person in the womb. If you understand the major differences, it's NOT hypocritical to support the former and oppose the latter.
IWEEW 4 months ago
@IWEEW Killing a criminal for "justice" only makes you no better than a criminal. A criminal is a fully conscious and developed human being with emotions, pain, etc. A fetus is a ball of cells that is not fully developed. Abortion has benefits including the well being of the mother as well as the child itself and society. The death penalty is only an act of vengeful violence that only achieves the effect of suffering and tells society that revenge is a good way of dealing with things.
Randomidable 4 months ago
@Randomidable Every single fetus is on its way to becoming a "fully conscious and developed human being," barring any natural miscarriage. Just because a fetus or embryo can't feel anything yet shouldn't mean it can be denied the entire life it faces.
IWEEW 4 months ago
@IWEEW If only things were so simple.... theres an incredible amount of factors to consider before saying that a fetus shouldnt be "denied" the life it may face.
Randomidable 4 months ago
@Randomidable It may have been conceived as a result of unintended circumstances, but those circumstances shouldn't have any bearing on the value the human life that has been created.
IWEEW 4 months ago
@IWEEW Im not going to go into depth on the topic because im not here to flood the comments section. However, if you did a little bit of research, you would find out that illegalizing abortion would be detrimental to not only women, but to society as a whole. Oh, and the circumstances under which it was created is only part of the issue... the problems that may arise for the child and the mother during and especially after birth are the real issue here.
Randomidable 4 months ago
John de Rothschilds McCain wants you to have your baby now so he and his band of zionpedosatanists can tax it first, then blow it up later with thermal nitrate/
thechangeling613 10 months ago
fuck pro choice its all about promoting abstinence
harj2009 1 year ago
@harj2009 don't promote abstinence, promote safe sex
MrRandomtvshow 11 months ago
@MrRandomtvshow safe sex is just as bad, the entire idea of casual sex is bad for society
harj2009 11 months ago
"NO EXCUSES! EDUCATION COMES FIRST!
TEENAGERS AND MOTHERHOOD DONT MATCH.
AMERICA PRO-CHOICE FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
im ganna fuck his wife so hard and ravage his daugher. then see how he feels about abortion
TAKEMARU666 1 year ago
@TAKEMARU666 daughter
TAKEMARU666 1 year ago
@TAKEMARU666 i'm sure your comment is gonna be flagged by some pro choicer or something, but i completely agree with you
scarol17 1 year ago
@TAKEMARU666 Insensitive bastard.
xTrueLoveIsForeverx 10 months ago
@TAKEMARU666 At one time, rape was a capital offense. Perhaps it still should be.
mindspring57 10 months ago
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hmmm punished with a baby?.....i wouldnt call a baby a punishment GOD made babys for a reason i dont agree..u shouldnt b teaching your children to be "safe" tech them to wait till marrage thats the way GOD desighned it...if u have sex before theres a huge chance u wont be able to provide for it with the things GOD wanted you to... wait thats all i can say and as for obama... well read revelation the times coming when we shall see JESUS coming in a cloud on his horse coming to get his children=)
lauren1071 1 year ago
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HELL NO DONT BELIEVE HIM I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT US ALL YOU NEED IS GOD NOT A PRESDENT OR A WANNA BE
hottie101cook59 1 year ago
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hottie101cook59 1 year ago
It weird how republicans want the baby to live, but when the baby comes out, they dont want to help for healthcare to help the baby live..
TheGabby07 1 year ago 16
@TheGabby07 because without free healthcare, no baby can surivive.
theotherguitarmansam 1 year ago
@TheGabby07 so you choose the lesser evil.. which one do you think it is?
zapatac1 9 months ago
This guy is a LIER !!!!!!!!!!!! Do your homework !!!!!!!!!!!!! He constantly contradicks himself,dont believe me ? Watch some of the other clips of his interviews,I cannot believe anyone would have ever considered voting for this guy .What a joke !!!!!
soggybuilders 1 year ago
McCain doesn't want the Republican Party to be 'inclusive' of those...like Ron Paul...who oppose 800 BILLION DOLLAR wars in the Middle East.
But he's eager to be 'inclusive' of those who murder pre-born babies here in the United States.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
The real John McCain: pro-abortion.
What 'same goals', John?
Endless war?
Kneeling before your masters in Israel?
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
By the way, this video is misleading. The part where McCain talks about his desire to see Roe v. Wade overturned has been omitted. Very dirty, thehotline!
michaeldowntown 1 year ago
I'm against drugs, but illegalizing is a very stupid idea! People will still take drugs, which will make it unsafe.
I'm taking someone else's car without permission, but illegalizing is a very stupid idea! People will still steal cars, which will make it unsafe.
If we didn't pass a law because some people would break it, we would have no laws! Besides, with today's technology, you can bet illegal abortions would be done by medical professionals. Or they could just take an abortion drug!
michaeldowntown 1 year ago
Pro-Life
NewBornNickumz 1 year ago
He looks constipated the entire time he's saying this.
FrickinEm 1 year ago
@FrickinEm lol thinking the same thing XD
llamaBPpotatoFT 1 year ago
Pro Choice.
Sce4rD 1 year ago
That man should be the President of the United States and not Barrack Obama.
Abortion should never be used as a method of birth control.
mjt19741 1 year ago
Abortion is always a sad thing. However sometimes, it might be a woman's most smartest option. I personally would never want to get one, but I wouldn't judge a woman who did. I don't know all the circumstances in her life.
autumndominiqe 1 year ago
@autumndominiqe it might be a woman's most smartest option? See its idiots like you who annoy the shit out of me.
jnewton005 1 year ago
I am curious how you are for abortion, yet you are born. For all you know, your mom could of killed you before you were born and you wouldn't even be here. Jesus christ, a women's smartest option would be to have the child adopted. End of story asshole.
TESIV4LIFE 1 year ago
@TESIV4LIFE And it's that simple?! How about rape and incest victims, or parents whose child is known to be born with a dire sickness or a major handicap? Talking about a narrow mind..
BinYalla 1 year ago
Even a person with something like that can live. Lance Armstrong had cancer, but he overcame it...because he lived his life and beleived in himself, and someone with a sickness or handicap can perform the same thing.
TESIV4LIFE 1 year ago
@TESIV4LIFE And by the way, how the fuck is that even an argument "you wouldn't be here"?! To remove fetuses that are not wanted, and and saying KILL ME isn't quite the exact same thing..
BinYalla 1 year ago
Of course it is. You should be grateful you are alive because you could have been one of the many who have been abortioned. No person should be turned away simply because the are not wanted.
TESIV4LIFE 1 year ago
@TESIV4LIFE Yes, I'm positive that I, in a state of being a chunk of goo, would be able to think "oh shite, here goes"..
BinYalla 1 year ago
@autumndominiqe
No "circumstances" justify murdering a baby.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
Maybe abortion is vbecause all these gosh darn now-a-day pig girls can't be responsible and wait to have children until they are married!
gerryfan2 1 year ago
es abortion is wrong, i think we can all agree on that. abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.
however, there are times when aborting a baby is not ok, but necessary, what about rape and incest?, what about diseases the baby or mother might have?
there should not be an air tight law that says yes abortion should be legal, no questions asked, or no abortion should not be legal, under any curcumstances.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
So what kind of law are you thinking of?
Exceptions to abortion? Are fetuses of rape & incest worthless, or should sexually active women who do not intend to reproduce get punished? When a anti-abortion person talks about exaceptions like rape or incest, its clear that meaning behind their stance is not for protecting fetal life.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
the life of a fetus brought about by rape or incest is not worthless.
but if you force the woman who was raped to carry and have the baby, it could cause mental and emotional issues to the mother. and what makes you think that she will be a good mother to the baby, that she got from being raped?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
The same mental & emotional issues can happen to any woman who is forced to carry & have a baby, not just a victim of rape. What do you think the women who want to have abortins will be good mothers to their babies, that they they don't even want & got from the law stripping them of rights to their own bodies?
In practical use, rapes are hard to prove and they would be even harder to prove with a bunch of women filing false rape charges to recieve abortions.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
the fact is no one can force people to do what they dont want to do.
no one ever said it would be easy
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
"the fact is no one can force people to do what they dont want to do."
But the fact is is that people can & already have for thousands of years, such as with rape, forced marriage, slavery, etc.
When people try to restrict people of their rights to do a certain thing, this thing will go underground in the black market where it becomes dangerous for anyone involved.
"no one ever said it would be easy "
But not only is it not easy, its totally unrealistic, impractical, & unneccesary.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
yes and if it "goes underground" it will be even more dangerous, then if you do it at a hospital.
just because you can force someone to do or not to do something is wrong.
the fact that thousands of abortions happen because the mother is just not ready for a baby is wrong, and so to is the fact that alot of babies are born into less than ideal conditions.
if your not ready for a baby (financially or emotional) or just dont want a kid, use protection and birth control not abortion.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Indeed.
Never said it was okay or not.
How is it wrong? If that has to do with what you above, a fetus is not a "someone". Its more like kicking a guy out of your own house, a guy who has no right to be in your house since its not his house, than forcing him to do something. Also, is forcing a women to go through a full term pregnany & give birth against their consent not wrong?
But what if you don't have access to birth control or what if the birth control fails?
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
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"Its more like kicking a guy out of your own house, a guy who has no right to be in your house since its not his house"
except if you get pregnant you made the thing.
its like adopting a puppy and then neglecting to feed it.
between condoms and birth control pills, i highly doubt both will fail.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
I, for one, love babies! They go great with pesto sauce and a little garlic.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
@Sojoboro why is there boiling water at an abortion clinic? to make soup afterwards.
theotherguitarmansam 1 year ago
I am appalled that anyone can believe that he/she has the right to kill a baby, but puts Vick in jail for killing a dog. Is everyone crazy?
mobamagramma 2 years ago
Fetus is not a baby and has no legal rights. Dog fighting is illegal and hurts dogs. That' why.
PD413PD 1 year ago
How can anyone look you in the eye and declare that abortion is a "Pro Choice" issue. You either believe in the "Right to Life" or the "Right to Kill"!
mobamagramma 2 years ago
No, you either believe that a woman has the rights over her own body or that she does not (i.e a fetus can override a woman's basic human rights & use/live in her body against her consent).
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
what about rape victims? or medical conditions?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Kiwisunshine5233: abortion is murder, a fetus is a human being and a soul, and abortion is wrong!
gerryfan2 2 years ago
Abortion is not murder in any sense of the word. Abortion is legal; abortion is justified by being within a woman's bodily rights & security of person; & a fetus is not a person, especially not a legal person. I disagree, a fetus is not a human being. A fetus is human like my human organs & skin cells, but it is not a person. There is no such thing as a soul. I disagree, abortion is not wrong. In fact, I see it more as the right thing to do instead of throwing more orphans into adoption centers.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
Bernard Natheson was co founder of NARAL in the 1960s. He was pro-choice and presided over 1000s of abortions at clinic. He eventually had a change of heart after witnessing ultra-sound tests on pregnancies. He became pro-life and denounced abortions.
The sooner the pro-choicers admitt their guilt the better chance you have of closing the issue.
itart1970 2 years ago
it: prochoice admit guilt ahah..a million abortions EVERY yr....no on feels guilt dumbsass it: Nathenson QUOTE from Nathanson: "We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions," he said. "The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception.
all you prolifer lie!! hahahaha
Sueezee1 2 years ago
now everyone wishes they voted for McCain..
dimondbacknumba53 2 years ago
Well put. I am pro-choice, and Republican.
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valu777 2 years ago
oooooo Mccain's a flip floper. Romney 2012. Hes not a flip floper. He dint know alot about abortion when he was pro choice
ivankaman21 2 years ago
how can you trust him he is so dishonest
derrixk 2 years ago
When we purge the false assertion that life is a 'gift from god' then we can all move on and be on our merry way. Women that don't want abortions won't have them, women that do, will.... Like plastic surgery. And no one will care because there are already billions of extra babies polluting this planet
mcveenman 2 years ago
No, masturbation is the mass infanticide of over 15 million babies. Um yeah. I could go on further.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
wutda, take a sex ed course and get off the internet
MyLegendarySelf 2 years ago
No the argument was based of potentiality of life. When you masturbate, millions of sperm cells are released and killed usually instantly. When inside a woman, only one out of the millions of other potential human lives survive. I produce thousands of potential lives each day. Even when fertilized inside the egg, there is still a great chance the egg will flow off the woman without the woman knowing her it.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
"The argument I was alluding to was that the fetus is only another potential life."
The difference being, clearly, this:
Sperm = Sperm.
Sperm + Egg = Fetus.
It is true that early on, fertilized eggs can die, but abortion is the intent to kill fetuses which are clearly doing just fine and have connected properly to the uterus.
And I would argue that calling fetuses "potential human beings" is nothing but a comfort word, coined from prochoice propaganda.
MyLegendarySelf 2 years ago
The argument I was alluding to was that the fetus is only another potential life. A full born child is a product of our mature arbitration.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
lmao!!
dimondbacknumba53 2 years ago
we already know a baby is a legal entity, because a dr can be sued for causing a miscarriage... the issue is when does life begin, not personal rights and that answer lies in technology such as viewing an ultrasound or video of the development of a baby... Also, when 40% of all women have an abortion by age 40, we will still have a dishonest debate about the issue, because we will always be dealing with an irrational attempt to ignore evidence in order to justify past experiences...
soliloqy 3 years ago
also, to add to that kiwisunshine, malice is exactly how they kill babies. partial birth abortion: as soon as the head comes out of the woman's body, it is cut open, and the brain is discarded, the rest of the baby is removed and thrown away. now you tell me that is not malice
danohlhaut 3 years ago
Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party.Its express when there is manifested a deliberate intention UNLAWFULLY to take away the life of a HUMAN BEING.
A fetus is not a baby nor human being. Abortion is justified by body domain rights & security of person, its justified like a rape victim that kills her rapist out of defense.
That is just the necessary procedure needed to get rid of the fetus from the woman's body.D&X procedures are rare anyways
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago
"partial birth abortion: as soon as the head comes out of the woman's body, it is cut open, and the brain is discarded,"
Wrong. I'll tell you the sick reality of it:
Partial-Birth abortion: all of the baby is delivered EXCEPT for the head. If the head were removed, the baby would be a legal entity--and thus the abortionist must be EXTREMELY CAREFUL not to accidentally deliver the head.
While the head is still in the womb, the neck is punctured and the contents drained.
The world is f***ed up
MyLegendarySelf 2 years ago
Oh, but intact dilation and extraction is pretty gross. It usually happens during the third trimester. I am against late term abortions. I would support that cause. However, I would not extend it onto first or second term abortions; they should remain perfectly legal.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
"I am against late term abortions. . . . first or second term abortions; they should remain perfectly legal."
I disagree, but I'm glad I could help clarify your view for you.
MyLegendarySelf 2 years ago
some times we have to do fucked up things.
can you think of no reason for a baby to be aborted?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
has mcain ever been raped?
littlenicoll 3 years ago
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watchbritshrink 3 years ago
Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned because it is unjust. period. Perhaps thousands may do back alley abortions anyway but millions of lives and souls will be saved by making it illegal. If there were anything that should be illegal, abortion tops the list.
imbonnie 3 years ago
It's not that hard to use a condom and eat pills at the same time, hello crazy murderers, stop killing humans just because you're so horny!
Cecciliaa 3 years ago
54% of women who abort used birthcontrol. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of PERSONS usually with MALICE. Abortion doesn't fit this.
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago
hey kiwisunshine5233, tell me.. what does that number have anything to do with how abortion isn't murder? also, your definition of murder is incorrect. it is the killing of an innocent human without due process of law. now in today's screwed up justice system, abortion may not be characterized as murder, but morally it stands as murder. as well, if you were to use your term of murder, then in that case abortion would be characterized as murder, ever heard of infantcide, or partial birth abortio
danohlhaut 3 years ago
Murder is a LEGAL TERM that is not to be raped by your emotional appeals.Its like calling cow slaugther murder.Look it up in the dictionary.Abortion is legal,a fetus is not a human being (person),& abortion is justified by the woman's rights of bodily domain & security of person.Morals are subjective,they differ from person to person,& they don't mean shit w/o valid reason for them.A fetus is not an infant thus not infantcide. What about the D&X procedure?
Abortion is not murder in any way.
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago
yes but it still happens too much, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.
however there are instances where abortion should happen
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
If abortion happens too much, we solve this problem by educating people about birthcontrol & allow more people to have access to it, not by putting up restrictions.
Abortion is a form birth control no matter what, it prevents birth. Of course, abortion should be a plan C when condoms & the morning after pill fail, but I wouldn't want people who are stupid enough to use abortion as their only form of birth control to breed.
What instances are you thinking of?
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
yes educating the public in proper birth control is important.
no if you have tried both condoms and birth control your pretty safe of not getting pregnant. its the idiots who dont use condoms and birth control who dont deserve to have a choice in the matter. you cant just abort a fetus because its an inconvenience or you just dont want it.
what kind of instances? rape, incest, and what if the unborn baby has a disease that is killing it and the mother?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Whats with restricting people based off of what they can or cannot do with their bodies based on whether they "deserve it" or not? The idiots are the ones that especially shouldn't be reproducing.
Actually, a person can abort for whatever reason they want, & their reasons are not for others to judge when its their business, their body, safer than going full term, & the fact that we do not need more orphans nor babies in this world anyways.
Why a fetus from incest as an exception exactly?
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
ok fine you may have sex without regaurd for the consequesnces or any protection, because if you get pregnant, or get someone pregnant, oh well just get an abortion. but what about the next time and the next?
all im saying is abortion is used too much for stupid reasons, USE PROTECTION
"Why a fetus from incest as an exception exactly?"
sense you whole heartedly support abortion, answering that question is pointless.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Just because I support abortion doesn't mean I think its okay to have unprotected sex. I personally do not care if someone has multiple abortions, just like I don't care if someone wastes their money on getting ugly tatoos & has them removed multiple times.
No its not pointless just because I'm okay with abortion. It'd be no different if I or anyone else asked someone wanting a fetus from an older couple, an interracial couple, or a fat couple to be allowed to be aborted while others cannot.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
but the fetus has potentail to become a valubale member of society.
it is pointless because: if a 11year old girl is involved with incest, it would be very damaging to have a baby.
their are only three times abortion should be considered rape, incest, and severe medical complications.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
The fetus also has the potential to be a criminal or a total burden upon our society. Also, a woman who doesn't go full term & gives birth has more potential to rise from poverty, go to college, & pursue a meaningful career, thus becoming a valubale member of society. Point is, arguements that appeals to potential are fallacious.
Having a baby would be/is damaging for anyone; financially, mentally, emotionally, physically, & career wise.
Says you.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
having a baby brings joy to the family, brings people together.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
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"having a baby brings joy to the family, brings people together. "
Sorry, but bringing up a baby [you don't want] is not a happy fairy tale that society falsely makes it out to be. The biological father dumps you, lose touch with friends, gain a lot of weight, start working overtime, lose the energy to do the fun things you used to like doing, your mother now sees you just as the person who drops off her grandchild to her house, etc. This happens to many people.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
""having a baby brings joy to the family, brings people together""""
This wouldn't be for a woman who gives it up for adoption. Some women grow attached to it once its born, even though they have to give it up for some reason, and then they go under depression after giving up a baby for adoption or make a big mistake by keeping it when their maternal emotions take control.
There are probably conservative families that pressure their kids into raising the baby & cut ties if they don't.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
What about adult incestious couples, even those who are not brainwashed? What about an 17 or 18 year old girl couldn't stay or go to collge to become an engineer or a doctor if she gave birth now? What about those with depression, schizophrenia, or women like Andrea Yates? What about women who would commit suicide if they were forced to give birth, even if they're not rape victims or incestious? What about women who would stay or go down in poverty? What about mentally impaired women? etc?
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
then they have no one to blame but themselves, if you are bnot ready to have a baby, use protection or god forbid dont have sex.
condoms break, i know this, but even if they do that still does not mean she will get pregnant, and if she is on the pill then there is still less chance of it.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
And if the government restricts smokers from recieving lung cancer treatement, they have no one to blame but themselves, right? Why should people never have sex when they can just get an abortion? Just because you don't like it & think its wrong?
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
yes you must learn to take responsiblity for your actions, just because there is an easy way out doesnt make it right.
its like adopting a puppy and then not taking care of it, it is the same consept.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
People should learn to take "responsibility" (depending on what you view it as), but the government must not force them to take "responsibility". Abortion is not an easy way out, especially not in this type of society.
Except that fate dropped a puppy on to you & the government is trying to force you to take care of it when you don't even want it.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
not having to spend eighteen years of your life teaching the child right and wrong, not having to spend countless amounts of money on it. seems like an easy way out to me.
fate has nothing to do with it, babies dont just appear out of thin air, if your not think about "what if i get pregnant" when you do have sex, you an idiot.
and its not the baby's fault if your too cowardly to take care of your responibility
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Do you expect these women to raise a child they don't want?
Abortion only seems like an "easy way out" because its being compared to 18+ years of hell. And just because an alternative is easier to do than the latter doesn't mean that it is less responsibile or the wrong decision.
Don't take it too literally. Its chance to get pregnant, that the birth control you use failed, that you were so drunk that you had unprotected sex w/ some guy.
Abortion has nothing to to w/ punishing a fetus.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
no i dont expect women who dont want the baby to keep the kid. but there are less cost effective/ and less risky ways of getting rid of a child. besides isnt that way adoption centers were created so unwilling mothers could not have to take care of a kid?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
What other way? Once you're pregnant, you have three choices:
1) keep pregnancy & raise the kid
2) keep pregnancy & throw kid to adoption center
3) abortion (of some kind)
Abortion is the least costy & least risky alternative.
Adoption centers are for any kid without parents such as due to them being dead, abusive, in prison, etc. We do not need more unwanted babies to push back the line of already existing orphans. There are more of them than there are people adopting.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
abortion is a medical procedure, and like all medical procedures there are risks.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
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"""""abortion is a medical procedure, and like all medical procedures there are risks.""""
So? Abortion is still less risky than going through a full term pregnancy.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
Also, women get abortions because they not only don't want to raise a child, but they do not want to give birth, spread their genes, & put another kid/orphan on earth who can come back 18 years latter on their doorstep & ask to be a part of their life.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
if they truely do not want to spread their genes, dont have sex.
and alot can happen in eighteen years, the mother might even want to find the child.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Why should they never have sex when they can just get an abortion?
And the biological mother may not want the child to find her. There might even be a law that will pass that will require biological mothers of orphans to pay child support, even if the kid gets adopted into a family. If a man is forced to pay child support even after a child is proven not to be his & his cheating ex-wife gets remarried, than this could certainly happen. I mean, you just don't know with these crazy politics.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
but why just abort out right, not giving the child a chance.
instead of birthing the kid and give him to an adoption agency so the kid has a future?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
Because the woman doesn't want the pregnancy for what ever reason. When you have an unwanted pregnancy, you abort it. Its as simple as that. Some women may go through a hard time to reach that decision & actually go through with it, & some women have already deeply thought about their dicision in case they ever get pregnant & quickly go through with their pre-determined choice.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
but getting an abortion just because its a bad time, is stupid.
but i respect that you have stuck to you guns.
its been fun
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
How is it stupid exactly? I think its more stupid to give birth to a baby you don't want, can't afford, & that will prevent you from going to college, getting out of poverty, etc.
Even if it was stupid, the law can't really stop people from doing stupid things when it comes to their own bodies like a guy getting a butterfly tatoo on his neck, getting boob implants the size of watermelons, or letting 60 year old women get IVFs.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
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""""" "Why a fetus from incest as an exception exactly?"
sense you whole heartedly support abortion, answering that question is pointless. """""""
If I was a person against abortion, I'd at least be reasonably egalitarian about it. Either all people have the right to abortion or no one does.
kiwisunshine5233 1 year ago
It has taken me some years to understand it, but now that I am 15 I understand. I do not know whether I had taken the abortion but. But I think he ought to distribute contraceptives at school.
ibenpostmortem 3 years ago
What I say is that we can not make abortion illegal. People will still abortion using knitting, hangers, knives, etc. This may be risking her life, and when I ask you, who shall live? She has a family or an embryo without the family? Suppose that their mother kept them because she wanted it, not because of coercion. Many children born of parents who would not have the often ends up as a criminal, etc. Monday never abortion because you want it, you reflect often on the child's best.
ibenpostmortem 3 years ago
Im against abortion , but illegalizing is a very stupid idea !
People will still take abortion , by using knitting needles , scissors +++
ibenpostmortem 3 years ago 4
im on ur side!
MarcJacobsfreak 3 years ago
great !
ibenpostmortem 3 years ago
@ibenpostmortem What research are you citing to support your statement that people would actually "take abortion by using knitting needles and scissors"?????
YOu don't sound against abortion when you recite the same tired talking points the pro-abortion crowd has cited for decades without one shred of support.
kmillard 1 year ago
@kmillard My point is that I think abortion is stupid , but illegalizing it is very stupid.
ibenpostmortem 1 year ago
@ibenpostmortem Why?? It was already illegal in all 50 states before Roe v Wade. The activist jusdges knew they had a Constitutional problem with the constitutional provision where no person could be deprived of life or property without due process. So, conveniently they just changed the definition of the word "person" so now an unborn "thing" or whatever it is no longer had this due process protection. Why not have some punishment for those who cause the death of another human being??
kmillard 1 year ago
yeah! eliminate abortion! Make all the stupid retarded pregnant teenage skanks have those babies and raise them! it'll be great! or we can throw them into orphanages! yay! that way they can bounce around between foster homes and be found starving and beaten, tied in basements! or they can grow up to be disfunctinal theives and criminals traumatized from years of mental and sexual abuse!
You fucking retards.
vero802 3 years ago
aliceann76, I agree totally with you.
ABORTION:
-is an ILLEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by KILLERS and CRAZY people
God bless you
elizabethmcnam 3 years ago
You really dont think about whats best for the baby
ibenpostmortem 3 years ago
yay!
MarcJacobsfreak 3 years ago
ABORTION:
-Is an ILEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by CRAZY and MURDERER people
God bless you
aliceann76 3 years ago
eliminate abortion!!!
yuriogy1 3 years ago
eliminate abortion! put all the children with out fathers in foster care for life!
gwk1983 3 years ago 3
U rock McCain.
kittenclutcher 3 years ago
karlmarx if you comment is a response to mine, i don't know which Jews you're refering to, but i'm basing my argument on science and biology and not Bible, or Torah,or Koran, or any other religious book...
frozenlily007 3 years ago
in the first 8 weeks of pregnancy you can't say it's a human being. it's just a bunch of cells with POTENTIAL of becoming a person should the mother choose to carry it. if you go with the whole "life starts at conception" argument you're wrong because life starts in the sperm and the eggs carrying genetic information to form a human being. so, wearing a condom, using birth control pills, etc. would also be murder according to this logic because you're interrupting a formation of another being.
frozenlily007 3 years ago
Yes, you are right! Zero resolution to an actual problem than helping. Sure, if they don't want a child or to be pregnant they won't look for ways to do it anyways. Cool, I will look the other way and pretend is not legal and that is not happening right now. Why go to "Poland" just go to a Medical Center, make sure that it is for low income people. Sorry, I meant realistic, that's right REALISTIC!
HardyTodd 3 years ago
You're changing the argument. You said that women are going to do it anyway so it should be legal and safe. I argued that just because people are going to do something doesn't mean that it should be legal. Because it's legal, women do have access to medical help, the procedure, and education. But if it WERE illegal, they shouldn't and the number of "back alley abortions" referred to in Roe v. Wade has been proven to be exaggerated (look up Bernard Nathanson).
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
You obviously don't get my argument! Unfortunately abortion is legal. If a woman wants to kill her unborn child, she should be have the right to find medical help in diff. ways, thru education, possible options .... the actual procedure. But if they decide to go for it they should be able to do it without risking their lives/organs. Ignoring that abortion is a problem in our country is like ignoring that people don't drink and drive.
HardyTodd 3 years ago
You're right, I must not get your argument. I read what you said as "Women will still do it, no matter what. So do it safe. BE REALIST!" (I'm guessing you meant realistic) and that "if a woman wants to kill her unborn child she should...have the right to...do it without risking their lives/organs". I just don't buy into the argument that just because people are going to do something anyway it should necessarily be legal. Especially when that argument has been proven false (research Poland).
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
Idiot! Abortion has been legal since 1973. Women will still do it, no matter what. So do it safe. BE REALIST!
HardyTodd 3 years ago 3
HardyTodd: I'm sorry but I can't agree that that's a valid argument. It's kinda like saying, well people are going to do drugs anyway, so why don't we regulate it, charge for it, and make it more safe, and then less people will do it in back alleys with dirty needles and laced products. That's just as realistic.
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
I don't agree with abortion as a contraceptive, but you need to be realist. It is legal, drugs are not besides nicotine and alcohol. If a woman needs an abortion for a particular reason they should be able to do it with the right medical staff and equipment. We need prevention thru education not by pointing fingers. Wow drugs and abortion, hummm two very different issues. Don't you think!
HardyTodd 3 years ago
Actually drugs were not always illegal (and made so due to religious pressure). If needing something for a particular reason were acceptable, why can't people who want medical use of marijuana and other drugs easily get them with good