u have done something sooo wrong in ur setup there, either that or your velociraptors are crapper than my 1 single samsung sata 2 hdd, my win7 boots up in like 25-30 seconds.. within 40 seconds you can watch a movie . and i have some stuff installed too, its not a fresh windows. so explain that
@iiiears all drives ssd or hdd slow down over time, its just the nature of windows and its swap file filling up the drives, you can restore the performance buy formatting the drives with secure erase and reinstalling windows just like a regular hdd. If you have a SATA3 controller then get a newer SATA3 SSD otherwise then go with the older SATA2 drives. Most won't notice a difference between 1 SSD and 2 ssd in raid0, so either way your going to be happy.
I have the performance bug. You know the one that keeps you reading and looking at code blogs when you might be playing. - lol
Discovered a few software RAID comparisons here on youtube were nearly as fast as REAL hardware raid. (1 caveat never hard lock an application or cache isn't written.) Really surprising.
@ZZZ91924 Perhaps it's a hard concept for some to grasp, but you don't include POST time in a boot time, only the time that is used to load windows, or when the SSD or HDD is accessed. POST time can only speed up or slowed down by turning things on or off in the bios, or low level editing of the bios it'self. FYI
great video i'm surprised at how long it took the two 10k drives to boot into windows. i've just bought an 80gb 10k raptor where i was expecting a noisy motor its actually very quiet, and then when it starts to read and write it becomes noisy! are the velociraptors that noisy as i'm not sure if i'm wanting to spend out on the SSD front yet? also i see you have a 2270/2370hd monitor, i have the same and using an ATI card will NOT display 1920x1080 correct on HDMI, always have to use DVI input.
Crucial and samsung are the 2 dominating companies related in ssd production , Intel x25m series is too fucking expensive ... well of course it will fucking work as advertised , 275Mbps Seq Read , 70 Seq Write , a big fucking deal... Crucial FTW
@BritaniaRuleAgain Sounds like intel fanboyism here. Western Digital makes some of the most reliable harddrives... when has intel MADE their own harddrives? you know... mechanical spindles of magnets. I run 2x 300 velocies on Raid 0 too, because 1) I always have a backup, 2) drives are warrantied for 5 years, and 3) storage space. I don't want to have to pick which drive to install a game too because I'll run out of resources, and if I install to storage drive, then it just defeats the purpose.
@Emeianoite What implied fan-boyism to you? Intel just happens to make a better solid state drive than crucial does. Crucial has poor product quality and reliability; but that's not implying they wont be better than Intel drives in the future.
To be proud of just one brand is to be proud of nothing. I'll buy a drive from Intel, but I wont buy a mobo. I'll buy a processor but not a GPU.
It's called buying what you think is best for the money.
@BritaniaRuleAgain Intel makes a more reliable product? Look bitch, until we start adding intel drives into our servers... then that's a negative, till then, WD RE drives are the best we've used.
hey what type of case is that? how could you just shove the hdd and ssd into those slots and boot up? dont you have to connect the power cables? or is it a special case that automatically connects the power and sata cables once you shove the hdd/ssd into the slot? if im right, thats one cool case!!!
Thanks for the video, getting ready to swap 3 Intel X-25 80GB SSD's for my 3 80GB veloiraptors in RAID 0. So this video helped motivate me to get busy and get it done. Full System will be:
Intel i7 920 DO at a mild 3.8 GHz,Rampage II Extreme MoBo, 3 Intel X-25 80 GB in Raid 0, WD Caviar Black 1 TB for storage,2 Radeon 4890 Video Cards in Crossfire ( I will swap them out for SLI when I get more money) 12 GB OCZ Blade DDR3 triple channel cl9 memory,1000 Watt Ultra X3 PSU, Cont. on next post...
Thanks for the video, getting ready to swap 3 Intel X-25 80GB SSD's for my 3 80GB veloiraptors in RAID 0. So this video helped motivate me to get busy and get it done. Full System will be:
Intel i7 920 DO at a mild 3.8 GHz,Rampage II Extreme MoBo, 3 Intel X-25 80 GB in Raid 0, WD Caviar Black 1 TB for storage,2 Radeon 4890 Video Cards in Crossfire ( I will swap them out for SLI when I get more money) 12 GB OCZ Blade DDR3 triple channel cl9 memory,1000 Watt Ultra X3 PSU, Cont. on next post...
I wouldn't doubt that the SSD has a massive advantage in accessing lots and lots of tiny files while the plain old hard drives would access single chunks of data faster.
@Blizzard56k thats incorrect, it's based on reads, and writes. If it were solely based on size my current set up wouldn't even score as high as 1 Velociraptor at 300gb, but my current score is 7.7 and it even scpecifically says "Disk data transfer rate"
@bigfwd69 Thank you. After looking into it i was wrong. We did a small test back in Vista and it seemed size was the only contributing factor to the score. Now it seems it really works off speed. My apologizes.
@Blizzard56k You're kind of right. If yiou have 2 disks that are the same, the larger one will have a faster read/write since data is more densely packed. So a 1TV 5400RPM disk might be faster the a 300GB 7200RPM...
@kornellster Not sure about that as the size solely dosen't say how many disks you actually have in your hard drive, i mean how many plates. Samsung does populars 500gb-by-plate HDDs, but you could have a 600gb or somthing where you have 2 plates..which (i guess then) could have data less dense.
In the same way, I wonder if a 600gb VeloCiraptor is double the plates of a 300gb one or something different...
I don't know what you did to those VRaptors but mines are way faster than that and i would say it takes as much time as your SSD took to boot and i'm also not conviced with your methodology......Raid post screen takes more time so it increase boot time and your SSD didn't have the Windows loading error page...
@NukeMeltdown They were not on a fresh Windows install, they were under regular use with installed programs and everything, wasn't anything wrong with the drives. Yes sometimes they do boot faster sometimes slower kinda like they did in this video. I am not a reviewer or anything, so really i don't have methodology, I just do what I want, and I find out what I need to know, i posted a vid so others could see weather it helps them or not I don't know.
@bigfwd69 none of the POST screens were timed only from the moment the windows logo started to appear, so it was windows booting to login screen only. I am not sure what the windows boot error was for It was likely do to me power cyceling the MB checking the raid settings on the raptors, and i prolly let windows partially load, I do it alot. That SSD in the video is pretty much the shittiest SSD money can buy it's 99 dollars.
Interesting... Something is up with the raid install though... I get 25 secs on VR boot as do many videos on here and many tech sites also... On ocz vertex I timed 15 seconds, so similar to your ssd time. Gap between ssd and VR RAID 0 on W7 boot really should be about 10 seconds.... You've got some kind of issue with the raid
@mlambert890 aye it was full of data all 600gb since basically the ssd was too figured only fair, any way I sold the velociraptors already so i can't really do a fresh install testing like most on here have, i do most of mine with the drives full of crap lol dunno just something i feel makes more sense then if they just have windows. I don't even have the x25 anymore either it was too slow and too small for me atm i run the corsair nova series 128gb ssd in raid0 pretty nice so far.
@darkcg79 not exactly sure why you consider it shitty considering they don't make much better, only thing this one don't do is 3d, of course only like 3 do.
@camieabz don't even count the Bios stuff in the timer since no access to the hd for that stuff just everything after you see windows loading, I am running 2 Corsair Nova Seris SSD atm in raid 0 and it's amazing how fast it is, I been trying to upload the video i made of it but only the first 3 secs show, so I may have to make another. :(
Good comparison, but I pop in a password on my system and timed it to 55 secs including the password. That's with Vista-64 and a single VelociRaptor. Of course, I prolly need to wait another 5-10 secs for security software to kick in.
Maybe a tune up of the system might save some people the cost of an expensive ssd.
u have done something sooo wrong in ur setup there, either that or your velociraptors are crapper than my 1 single samsung sata 2 hdd, my win7 boots up in like 25-30 seconds.. within 40 seconds you can watch a movie . and i have some stuff installed too, its not a fresh windows. so explain that
BriareosHX 2 weeks ago
Good Song :D
SirCaca82 1 month ago
Do SSDs slow down as they get older? TRIM etc. How much?
Would 2 used SSDs 64GB in RAID0 be faster than 1 newer SSD?
I was really surprised by the windows score.
iiiears 1 month ago
@iiiears all drives ssd or hdd slow down over time, its just the nature of windows and its swap file filling up the drives, you can restore the performance buy formatting the drives with secure erase and reinstalling windows just like a regular hdd. If you have a SATA3 controller then get a newer SATA3 SSD otherwise then go with the older SATA2 drives. Most won't notice a difference between 1 SSD and 2 ssd in raid0, so either way your going to be happy.
bigfwd69 1 month ago
@bigfwd69 - Thanks.
Bought 2 smaller 64GB SSD for write performance. Works faster than platters until all cache is used. (Maybe 2 more?)
iiiears 1 month ago
@bigfwd69
Thank You.
I have the performance bug. You know the one that keeps you reading and looking at code blogs when you might be playing. - lol
Discovered a few software RAID comparisons here on youtube were nearly as fast as REAL hardware raid. (1 caveat never hard lock an application or cache isn't written.) Really surprising.
iiiears 3 weeks ago
14 seconds?? u power ur pc with ssd at 3:07 and make it at 3:56 that is 49 SECONDS! TOO SLOW!/watch?v=-Ojm5eY-i_Q
ZZZ91924 2 months ago
@ZZZ91924 Perhaps it's a hard concept for some to grasp, but you don't include POST time in a boot time, only the time that is used to load windows, or when the SSD or HDD is accessed. POST time can only speed up or slowed down by turning things on or off in the bios, or low level editing of the bios it'self. FYI
bigfwd69 2 months ago
great video i'm surprised at how long it took the two 10k drives to boot into windows. i've just bought an 80gb 10k raptor where i was expecting a noisy motor its actually very quiet, and then when it starts to read and write it becomes noisy! are the velociraptors that noisy as i'm not sure if i'm wanting to spend out on the SSD front yet? also i see you have a 2270/2370hd monitor, i have the same and using an ATI card will NOT display 1920x1080 correct on HDMI, always have to use DVI input.
ajs2120 2 months ago
@ajs2120 Velociraptors are silent thanks to the enclosures that they are installed in.
frjoethesecond 2 months ago
Crucial and samsung are the 2 dominating companies related in ssd production , Intel x25m series is too fucking expensive ... well of course it will fucking work as advertised , 275Mbps Seq Read , 70 Seq Write , a big fucking deal... Crucial FTW
oMpaglamoMalakas 4 months ago
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I got 1:02 on Velociraptors in RAID 0 and 0:57 for SSD that's only 5 seconds...
97markviii 9 months ago
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97markviii 9 months ago
Nice Bose acoustic))
AssassinMMK 10 months ago
why does everyone choose the intel x-25's over a crucial realssd c300 64 gb?
the crucial ssd has read's of 350 mb/s
is it the trim? prize? write speed?
WHY?... can somebody explain
gijsjeradijsje10 10 months ago
@gijsjeradijsje10 Intel makes a more reliable product, and it better performs in real world applications not benchmarks.
BritaniaRuleAgain 9 months ago
@BritaniaRuleAgain Sounds like intel fanboyism here. Western Digital makes some of the most reliable harddrives... when has intel MADE their own harddrives? you know... mechanical spindles of magnets. I run 2x 300 velocies on Raid 0 too, because 1) I always have a backup, 2) drives are warrantied for 5 years, and 3) storage space. I don't want to have to pick which drive to install a game too because I'll run out of resources, and if I install to storage drive, then it just defeats the purpose.
Emeianoite 7 months ago
@Emeianoite What implied fan-boyism to you? Intel just happens to make a better solid state drive than crucial does. Crucial has poor product quality and reliability; but that's not implying they wont be better than Intel drives in the future.
To be proud of just one brand is to be proud of nothing. I'll buy a drive from Intel, but I wont buy a mobo. I'll buy a processor but not a GPU.
It's called buying what you think is best for the money.
If I'm a fan-boy of anything, it's computers.
BritaniaRuleAgain 7 months ago
@BritaniaRuleAgain Intel makes a more reliable product? Look bitch, until we start adding intel drives into our servers... then that's a negative, till then, WD RE drives are the best we've used.
Emeianoite 7 months ago
@Emeianoite It's funny you resorted to name calling. I doubt you're an adult and I wouldn't be surprised if you never worked with servers.
I never said anything about Western Digital drives. I don't really know what topic you're on.
Mr. gijsjeradijsje10 was asking why people buy Intel over Crucial. I gave him my answer. You clearly have a distorted perception of the conversation.
P.S. I have 2 Western Digital drives and have nothing bad to say about them. Give me a break... jeeze
BritaniaRuleAgain 7 months ago
hey what type of case is that? how could you just shove the hdd and ssd into those slots and boot up? dont you have to connect the power cables? or is it a special case that automatically connects the power and sata cables once you shove the hdd/ssd into the slot? if im right, thats one cool case!!!
mpulsv 1 year ago
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Thanks for the video, getting ready to swap 3 Intel X-25 80GB SSD's for my 3 80GB veloiraptors in RAID 0. So this video helped motivate me to get busy and get it done. Full System will be:
Intel i7 920 DO at a mild 3.8 GHz,Rampage II Extreme MoBo, 3 Intel X-25 80 GB in Raid 0, WD Caviar Black 1 TB for storage,2 Radeon 4890 Video Cards in Crossfire ( I will swap them out for SLI when I get more money) 12 GB OCZ Blade DDR3 triple channel cl9 memory,1000 Watt Ultra X3 PSU, Cont. on next post...
supergeek7 1 year ago
Thanks for the video, getting ready to swap 3 Intel X-25 80GB SSD's for my 3 80GB veloiraptors in RAID 0. So this video helped motivate me to get busy and get it done. Full System will be:
Intel i7 920 DO at a mild 3.8 GHz,Rampage II Extreme MoBo, 3 Intel X-25 80 GB in Raid 0, WD Caviar Black 1 TB for storage,2 Radeon 4890 Video Cards in Crossfire ( I will swap them out for SLI when I get more money) 12 GB OCZ Blade DDR3 triple channel cl9 memory,1000 Watt Ultra X3 PSU, Cont. on next post...
supergeek7 1 year ago
I wouldn't doubt that the SSD has a massive advantage in accessing lots and lots of tiny files while the plain old hard drives would access single chunks of data faster.
JaysonSR 1 year ago
btw the windows index scores HDD on size not speed.
Blizzard56k 1 year ago
@Blizzard56k thats incorrect, it's based on reads, and writes. If it were solely based on size my current set up wouldn't even score as high as 1 Velociraptor at 300gb, but my current score is 7.7 and it even scpecifically says "Disk data transfer rate"
bigfwd69 1 year ago 3
@bigfwd69 Thank you. After looking into it i was wrong. We did a small test back in Vista and it seemed size was the only contributing factor to the score. Now it seems it really works off speed. My apologizes.
Blizzard56k 1 year ago 3
@Blizzard56k Ya i know vista was a bit different, and if i remember correctly the scores were capped at lower numbers then too.
bigfwd69 1 year ago
@Blizzard56k You're kind of right. If yiou have 2 disks that are the same, the larger one will have a faster read/write since data is more densely packed. So a 1TV 5400RPM disk might be faster the a 300GB 7200RPM...
kornellster 3 months ago
@kornellster Not sure about that as the size solely dosen't say how many disks you actually have in your hard drive, i mean how many plates. Samsung does populars 500gb-by-plate HDDs, but you could have a 600gb or somthing where you have 2 plates..which (i guess then) could have data less dense.
In the same way, I wonder if a 600gb VeloCiraptor is double the plates of a 300gb one or something different...
freeedom22 3 months ago
@Blizzard56k wrong. window index is like this: 1st number= features 2nd number= speed rating
thats why most new/fast HDD's get a 5.9 5=features set and the 9 is the speed rating.
poonjabgerm 10 months ago
I don't know what you did to those VRaptors but mines are way faster than that and i would say it takes as much time as your SSD took to boot and i'm also not conviced with your methodology......Raid post screen takes more time so it increase boot time and your SSD didn't have the Windows loading error page...
NukeMeltdown 1 year ago
@NukeMeltdown They were not on a fresh Windows install, they were under regular use with installed programs and everything, wasn't anything wrong with the drives. Yes sometimes they do boot faster sometimes slower kinda like they did in this video. I am not a reviewer or anything, so really i don't have methodology, I just do what I want, and I find out what I need to know, i posted a vid so others could see weather it helps them or not I don't know.
bigfwd69 1 year ago
@bigfwd69 none of the POST screens were timed only from the moment the windows logo started to appear, so it was windows booting to login screen only. I am not sure what the windows boot error was for It was likely do to me power cyceling the MB checking the raid settings on the raptors, and i prolly let windows partially load, I do it alot. That SSD in the video is pretty much the shittiest SSD money can buy it's 99 dollars.
bigfwd69 1 year ago
Interesting... Something is up with the raid install though... I get 25 secs on VR boot as do many videos on here and many tech sites also... On ocz vertex I timed 15 seconds, so similar to your ssd time. Gap between ssd and VR RAID 0 on W7 boot really should be about 10 seconds.... You've got some kind of issue with the raid
mlambert890 1 year ago
@mlambert890 aye it was full of data all 600gb since basically the ssd was too figured only fair, any way I sold the velociraptors already so i can't really do a fresh install testing like most on here have, i do most of mine with the drives full of crap lol dunno just something i feel makes more sense then if they just have windows. I don't even have the x25 anymore either it was too slow and too small for me atm i run the corsair nova series 128gb ssd in raid0 pretty nice so far.
bigfwd69 1 year ago
Such a configuration only to use that shitty monitor?
darkcg79 1 year ago
@darkcg79 not exactly sure why you consider it shitty considering they don't make much better, only thing this one don't do is 3d, of course only like 3 do.
bigfwd69 1 year ago
Just tried it without password. 55 secs...go figure. I suppose while I type the pw, the system is doing a couple of things.
11 seconds to beep
I get DMI pool stuff ending at 25 secs.
55 secs for splash
65 for idle cursor
Just thought I'd share the data. It all helps.
camieabz 1 year ago
@camieabz don't even count the Bios stuff in the timer since no access to the hd for that stuff just everything after you see windows loading, I am running 2 Corsair Nova Seris SSD atm in raid 0 and it's amazing how fast it is, I been trying to upload the video i made of it but only the first 3 secs show, so I may have to make another. :(
bigfwd69 1 year ago
@bigfwd69
Well that's 30 secs for windows from end of DMI to desktop appearing.
camieabz 1 year ago
50 secs from pwr on to splsh for ssd.
81 for 2 x raptors.
Good comparison, but I pop in a password on my system and timed it to 55 secs including the password. That's with Vista-64 and a single VelociRaptor. Of course, I prolly need to wait another 5-10 secs for security software to kick in.
Maybe a tune up of the system might save some people the cost of an expensive ssd.
camieabz 1 year ago
A ssd win!~~~~~good vid
gooddaysjh 1 year ago