God didn't institute the Sabbath at Creation, God "rested" from all his works on the 7th day, but he didn't begin an institutional "Sabbath day" for man. Even Abraham didn't observe Sabbath. The Sabbath was only part of the Mt. Sinai covenant with Israel. This is why Paul tells us in Colossians, "Let no man judge you regarding...a Sabbath", because the Sabbath pointed to Christ, and now we have Christ to replace Sabbath.
@protochris yes, the Israelites were asked to "REMEMBER" the Sabbath Day. However, part of that "remembering" is to realize that the Sabbath did not originate at Mt. Sinai, but was given at the beginning of the world.Before there was sin there was the Sabbath. Before there was a need for a covenant to restore humanity to God, there was the Sabbath. Before there was a Jew, there was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was created for man. (Mark 2:27)
@garyzw The Sabbath belonged uniquely to God before Mt. Sinai because it only occured once. That is why it says in Hebrews that He (God) entered into his rest for all time. That Sabbath cannot apply to man because we know that God created it for himself; there is no record that Adam rested on the 7th day, because he never worked. Only God had worked and was entitled to enter into Sabbath.
@protochris Since Paul mentions “ordinances” twice in Colossian 2, it is clear that what he had in mind was the ceremonial law not the Moral Law which contains the Sabbath Command,
@protochris For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isa 66:22-23
@protochris Mark2:27"..He said..The sabbath was MADE for man..not man for the sabbath"=God MADE man on 6th day & Sabbath wasMADE on day 7 to teach man how to WORSHIP the CREATOR GOD never to FORGET who did it ALL
Col 2:14Blotting out HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES..AGAINST US..contrary to us & took IT out the way nailing it to his cross = Deut 31:26 "Take this BOOK OF LAW (handwrittn by moses) & put in the SIDE of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God... for a witness AGAINST THEE" =mitzvot
@MyLifeIsInHime you say it saysNo where in Revelation that sabbath breakers are condemned in hell.
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14,)
Those who do not keep the Commandments do not eat of the Tree of Life and those who do not eat of the Tree of Life are those who are condemned to Hell right?
The King James Version uses the word "holyday," and some may content that it means "the weekly Sabbath" and the expression "sabbath days" means "the yearly sabbaths." The American Standard Version uses "feast day" instead of "holyday." This is correct. For the word translated "holyday" here is from the Greek hoerte, and in John 5:1 this word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews. Not the 7th Day Sabbath.
Paul says plainly that he is speaking of "sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come," and not of the weekly Sabbath which was a memorial of something that happened in the past at creation.
When some read in the New Testament about sabbath days that were shadows of the body of Christ and that passed away at the cross, they become confused and declare they mean the weekly Sabbath. There was nothing in the Ten Commandment law about meats, drinks, new moons, sabbath days (plural), or feast days. All these were in the law which the Lord told Moses to command to the people. The weekly Sabbath is not mentioned in these texts.
LOL no I do not deny Sabbath means Rest. From one New Moon to another at the beginning of every month we come to worship and at this time we will eat also of the tree of life Revelation 22:2. And we will also come every Sabbath Day to worship God.
Isaiah 66:23 tells use that in the New Heavens and the New Earth we will worship every Sabbath. I think you need to re-study Scripture and believe what you want Scripture to say but believe what it actually says.
You still have not shown me Scripture that says Jesus replaces the 7th Day Sabbath Rest. Without Scripture for back up you do not have a leg to stand on.
The New Covenant was sealed by the blood of Jesus on Friday night when He died on the cross, and yet Luke says they were still physically keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment and after the New Covenant had begun. Any lawyer and the Word will tell you that it cannot be changed after the death of a testator. This one alone kills your appalling excuse!
The Greek word for “rest” (sabbatismos) in Hebrews 4:9 unquestionably refers to a physical rest and a literal “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”
It was more than 30 years after the cross that Luke wrote that when the body of Christ was being prepared, “they rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.” (Luke 23:56)
The way we rest in Jesus is by keeping the Sabbath as God Commanded, not how we decide is acceptable. Don't use the excuse that Jesus REPLACES the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment. The true Christan has both the Spiritual Rest in Jesus and the Physical Rest of the 7th Day.
Hebrews 4 proves the Sabbath does remain a physical rest and that the excuse Jesus is our Sabbath rest is just one more fallacy from our adversary.
@MyLifeIsInHime Do you have Scripture to back up what you are saying that the Sabbath is now a Spiritual Rest?
You will find the Sabbath only being a Spiritual Rest is a false teaching. You will also find in the New Testament that the Apostles ALL kept the 7th Day Sabbath after the Cross.
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. (Hebrews 4:9, LBP)
The rest that remains for the people of God is the 7th day Sabbath. Hebrews 4:9 is telling us that the Sabbath day has not been changed it remains. In fact you can not find ONE Scripture that says that we are not to keep the Sabbath or that Jesus is now our Sabbath Rest.
We found the Sabbath in Christ. The Sabbath God commanded is symbolic of God's rest--heaven. Christians will enter heaven and worship forever and ever--our day of rest forever and ever.
@garyzw If you talk about physical rest, I rest on Saturday and Sunday. I double the rest God commanded. Our physical rest is a picture of our true spiritual rest. We can rest all we want physically, but "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;" (Hebrews 4:9). Verse 10 says, "For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His." We can never enter God's rest by physically observing of a day.
If you rest both Saturday and Sunday you are disobeying God-- because He said to work six days and rest on the Seventh. I see you are making up you religion as it suits you and not as the bible teaches. By your argument Satan prepared the world to accept a substitute in place of the Sabbath God had commanded.
The idea of separate rest and worship days like resting on Sabbath, but then worshiping with local congregations on Sunday was not the practice of either Jesus or Paul. They didn't rest on the Sabbath and worship on Sunday (Luke 4:16; Acts 17:2). We can applaud these men for recognizing the biblical truth of the seventh-day Sabbath rest, but, if we are going to worship the Creator (Revelation 14:7), why not do so on the day that He picked out (Genesis 2:1)?
@garyzw Did you observe that in Genesis, day 1 through day 6, there is always the phrase, "there was evening and there was morning". But on the 7th day, it is not mention. The 7th day is eternal. The 7th day continues from creation and continue forever and ever. God never rest; Jesus said so and He worked and finished the work at the cross. He rose on the first day--a new beginning. We celebrate this day; we dedicated this day to the Lord. We personally worship the Lord everyday.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9, KJV)
Sunday is a commandment of men and you celebrate that day not based on Scripture but tradition.
@GodIsSovereignty Can we also kill now? is that commandment symbolic? Read the fourth commandment, it is symbolic of the rest God took when he created the world. It is about rest, but also about recognizing God as the creator. You can't simply call a command of God sybloic to fit your puposes, if it was symbolic then why did God's people keep it?
God didn't institute the Sabbath at Creation, God "rested" from all his works on the 7th day, but he didn't begin an institutional "Sabbath day" for man. Even Abraham didn't observe Sabbath. The Sabbath was only part of the Mt. Sinai covenant with Israel. This is why Paul tells us in Colossians, "Let no man judge you regarding...a Sabbath", because the Sabbath pointed to Christ, and now we have Christ to replace Sabbath.
protochris 1 month ago
@protochris yes, the Israelites were asked to "REMEMBER" the Sabbath Day. However, part of that "remembering" is to realize that the Sabbath did not originate at Mt. Sinai, but was given at the beginning of the world.Before there was sin there was the Sabbath. Before there was a need for a covenant to restore humanity to God, there was the Sabbath. Before there was a Jew, there was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was created for man. (Mark 2:27)
garyzw 1 month ago
@garyzw The Sabbath belonged uniquely to God before Mt. Sinai because it only occured once. That is why it says in Hebrews that He (God) entered into his rest for all time. That Sabbath cannot apply to man because we know that God created it for himself; there is no record that Adam rested on the 7th day, because he never worked. Only God had worked and was entitled to enter into Sabbath.
protochris 1 month ago
@protochris The Sabbath does apply to man Jesus said so
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27
garyzw 1 month ago
@protochris Before the giving of The Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai, the people were commanded to observe the Sabbath by not gathering Manna:
"Six days you shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is a Sabbath, there will be none." (Exodus 16:26)
garyzw 1 month ago
@protochris Since Paul mentions “ordinances” twice in Colossian 2, it is clear that what he had in mind was the ceremonial law not the Moral Law which contains the Sabbath Command,
garyzw 1 month ago
@protochris For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isa 66:22-23
garyzw 1 month ago
@protochris Mark2:27"..He said..The sabbath was MADE for man..not man for the sabbath"=God MADE man on 6th day & Sabbath wasMADE on day 7 to teach man how to WORSHIP the CREATOR GOD never to FORGET who did it ALL
Col 2:14Blotting out HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES..AGAINST US..contrary to us & took IT out the way nailing it to his cross = Deut 31:26 "Take this BOOK OF LAW (handwrittn by moses) & put in the SIDE of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God... for a witness AGAINST THEE" =mitzvot
1978dagreat 1 month ago
@1978dagreat Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about the yearly cerimonial Sabbaths not the weekly 7th day Sabbath.
garyzw 1 month ago
@garyzw exactly! google mitzvot = 2 sets of Laws:
1.)10 Commands written with finger of GOD on 2 tbls of stone 2X & kept nside Ark of Cov. not 1 jot/titl pass from these til end of earth Matt 5:18
2.) 613 Laws writtn by moses in a book kept on side of ark of cov. many of these ordinances were nailed to the cross but not all of them. Col 2:14
James 2:10 says Break 1 = Break them All
James 2: 13 = ALL will be judged by the Laws
Law Haters deny fact that ALL will be judged Ec 12:13,14
1978dagreat 1 month ago
@MyLifeIsInHime you say The weekly Sabbath is not about meats, drinks or food? It's about food. Should I point it out for you?
Yes please point that out.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime you say it saysNo where in Revelation that sabbath breakers are condemned in hell.
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14,)
Those who do not keep the Commandments do not eat of the Tree of Life and those who do not eat of the Tree of Life are those who are condemned to Hell right?
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime Concerning Colossians 2:14
The King James Version uses the word "holyday," and some may content that it means "the weekly Sabbath" and the expression "sabbath days" means "the yearly sabbaths." The American Standard Version uses "feast day" instead of "holyday." This is correct. For the word translated "holyday" here is from the Greek hoerte, and in John 5:1 this word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews. Not the 7th Day Sabbath.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
Paul says plainly that he is speaking of "sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come," and not of the weekly Sabbath which was a memorial of something that happened in the past at creation.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
When some read in the New Testament about sabbath days that were shadows of the body of Christ and that passed away at the cross, they become confused and declare they mean the weekly Sabbath. There was nothing in the Ten Commandment law about meats, drinks, new moons, sabbath days (plural), or feast days. All these were in the law which the Lord told Moses to command to the people. The weekly Sabbath is not mentioned in these texts.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
LOL no I do not deny Sabbath means Rest. From one New Moon to another at the beginning of every month we come to worship and at this time we will eat also of the tree of life Revelation 22:2. And we will also come every Sabbath Day to worship God.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about the yearly cerimonial Sabbaths not the weekly 7th day Sabbath.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
Isaiah 66:23 tells use that in the New Heavens and the New Earth we will worship every Sabbath. I think you need to re-study Scripture and believe what you want Scripture to say but believe what it actually says.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
You are confused on Hebrews 4. Like I said you still have not shown me Scripture that says Jesus replaces the 7th Day Sabbath Rest.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
You still have not shown me Scripture that says Jesus replaces the 7th Day Sabbath Rest. Without Scripture for back up you do not have a leg to stand on.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
I do not know where you comment is. I did not remove it.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
Isaiah 66:22-23 says we still physically keep the Sabbath in the New Heaven and Earth.
Jesus words show that everyone would still be physically keeping the Sabbath at 70 A.D. (Matthew 24:20)
The Sabbath cannot be a spiritual rest if one had to worry about physically fleeing on this day.
Our Creator knew man needs a physical rest at least one day a week and Jesus as our Lord does not change that requirement.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
The New Covenant was sealed by the blood of Jesus on Friday night when He died on the cross, and yet Luke says they were still physically keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment and after the New Covenant had begun. Any lawyer and the Word will tell you that it cannot be changed after the death of a testator. This one alone kills your appalling excuse!
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
The Greek word for “rest” (sabbatismos) in Hebrews 4:9 unquestionably refers to a physical rest and a literal “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”
It was more than 30 years after the cross that Luke wrote that when the body of Christ was being prepared, “they rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.” (Luke 23:56)
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
There is no contradiction in Hebrews 4.
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. (Hebrews 4:9, LBP)
Seems plain enough to me-- how much clearer do you want it?
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
The way we rest in Jesus is by keeping the Sabbath as God Commanded, not how we decide is acceptable. Don't use the excuse that Jesus REPLACES the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment. The true Christan has both the Spiritual Rest in Jesus and the Physical Rest of the 7th Day.
Hebrews 4 proves the Sabbath does remain a physical rest and that the excuse Jesus is our Sabbath rest is just one more fallacy from our adversary.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
There is no bible verse saying that a Spiritual Rest replaces a a Physical Rest on the 7th Day.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime Do you have Scripture to back up what you are saying that the Sabbath is now a Spiritual Rest?
You will find the Sabbath only being a Spiritual Rest is a false teaching. You will also find in the New Testament that the Apostles ALL kept the 7th Day Sabbath after the Cross.
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying that we should keep the 7th day Sabbath? A Physical rest?
garyzw 6 months ago
@MyLifeIsInHime
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. (Hebrews 4:9, LBP)
The rest that remains for the people of God is the 7th day Sabbath. Hebrews 4:9 is telling us that the Sabbath day has not been changed it remains. In fact you can not find ONE Scripture that says that we are not to keep the Sabbath or that Jesus is now our Sabbath Rest.
garyzw 6 months ago
We found the Sabbath in Christ. The Sabbath God commanded is symbolic of God's rest--heaven. Christians will enter heaven and worship forever and ever--our day of rest forever and ever.
GodIsSovereignty 6 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty
The way we rest in Jesus is by keeping the Sabbath as God Commanded, not how we decide is acceptable.
The Sabbath does remain a physically rest and that the excuse Jesus is our Sabbath rest is just one more fallacy from our adversary.
garyzw 6 months ago
@garyzw If you talk about physical rest, I rest on Saturday and Sunday. I double the rest God commanded. Our physical rest is a picture of our true spiritual rest. We can rest all we want physically, but "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;" (Hebrews 4:9). Verse 10 says, "For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His." We can never enter God's rest by physically observing of a day.
GodIsSovereignty 6 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty
If you rest both Saturday and Sunday you are disobeying God-- because He said to work six days and rest on the Seventh. I see you are making up you religion as it suits you and not as the bible teaches. By your argument Satan prepared the world to accept a substitute in place of the Sabbath God had commanded.
garyzw 6 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty
The idea of separate rest and worship days like resting on Sabbath, but then worshiping with local congregations on Sunday was not the practice of either Jesus or Paul. They didn't rest on the Sabbath and worship on Sunday (Luke 4:16; Acts 17:2). We can applaud these men for recognizing the biblical truth of the seventh-day Sabbath rest, but, if we are going to worship the Creator (Revelation 14:7), why not do so on the day that He picked out (Genesis 2:1)?
garyzw 6 months ago
@garyzw Did you observe that in Genesis, day 1 through day 6, there is always the phrase, "there was evening and there was morning". But on the 7th day, it is not mention. The 7th day is eternal. The 7th day continues from creation and continue forever and ever. God never rest; Jesus said so and He worked and finished the work at the cross. He rose on the first day--a new beginning. We celebrate this day; we dedicated this day to the Lord. We personally worship the Lord everyday.
GodIsSovereignty 6 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty
I see you would rather follow then Scripture.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9, KJV)
Sunday is a commandment of men and you celebrate that day not based on Scripture but tradition.
garyzw 6 months ago
@GodIsSovereignty Can we also kill now? is that commandment symbolic? Read the fourth commandment, it is symbolic of the rest God took when he created the world. It is about rest, but also about recognizing God as the creator. You can't simply call a command of God sybloic to fit your puposes, if it was symbolic then why did God's people keep it?
BibleCreationist 6 months ago
its cause of Kellen g. white
sat is Sabbath and i wish there were a church i could worship at i must do it home alone
profetarmageddon 11 months ago
Stunning Vid - keep up the good work!!!!1
MrsZanmarheim 1 year ago
@MrsZanmarheim
Thank You
garyzw 1 year ago