James von Brunn Murder - Media Begins Assault on Liberty Minded Community

[TheRivetthead]

damn libreal bias

[PsychoPunk1965]

James von Brunn was a right-wing nutcase, not a leftist nutcase. Rush Limbaugh is such a fucking partisan hack. The extreme left and the extreme right sometimes have the same enemies, but Rush is out of line to lump James von Brunn. As far as hatred of neocons; many paleoconservatives and libertarians do not have kind words for neocons, so Mr. Limbaugh is out to lunch and just utterly wrong as usual. The same goes for the other right-wing nutcases out there.

[TheRivetthead]

@PsychoPunk1965 shut up lefty

[PsychoPunk1965]

@TheRivetthead I will say whatever I want to say, and I don't take orders from the right...

[EmilyGreene1984]

I saw nothing in the Rush Limbaugh televised radio broadcast clip that contradicts what he said. Keith Olbermann is once again clutching at straws and trying to further his anti-conservative hatred and pro-liberal views. Also, I find it funny that Mr. Olbermann is quick to capitalize on this story - but what of Private Long who was murdered by a Muslim? Probably didn't help his cause so he didn't bother to mention it much.

[rebjiii]

emily...limbaugh calling von brunn a liberal is about as logical as calling michael vick an animal lover.

i think its fair to assume limbaugh is addicted to RX painkillers again...as it appears he has lost his marbles.

[EmilyGreene1984]

Can you provide an intelligent arguement rather than resort to insults? That tactic has already become very old and childish. Von Brunn was neither conservative (because if he were, he would never uphold the beliefs he held for so long) or liberal - in my opinion, he was another insane individual who resorted to breaking the law in order to further his ill-founded hatred.

[rebjiii]

u conservatives love to dish it...(like limbaugh here, and zell miller's 2004 RNC speech) ....but u cant take it.

von brunn's beliefs (along with many republicans) ...want all abortions banned.....want our borders closed, and to deport all aliens b/c they are racists....and von brunn and conservatives are big NRA supporters.

[EmilyGreene1984]

I'm happy to take all the level of insults and rebuttals you can dish and I'm perfectly happy to provide to you with the solid counter-arguements to each of your claims. It can be noted the left is very much guilty of having espoused the same level of hypocritical behaviour as they claim the right is guilty of.

[sweetfreek]

James von Brunn was a nutcase, no dispute on that point exists. And I've been to his website (along with millions of other curiosity-seekers) but I would hardly call his writings "coherent". Olbermann is giving him a bit too much credit in the brain department.

That been said, the trigger-happy retard in this incident was a right-wing element. He may have been a defective product, but he was none-the-less a product of the right-wing factory.

[tigerone1970]

How quickly these republicans will defend assassination.

First they gave up on 'fiscal conservatism', then they started supporting Bush no matter how big the screwups.

Is republicanism really just a joke?

[jack1980a]

Olbermann is the O'reilly of the left.

[deveousdevil]

nah, i think Chris Matthews is. He screams, he never lets guests talk, just like O'reilly. Olbermann, whatever you think of him, is pretty unique. (though he steals E.R. Murrow's style)

[EmilyGreene1984]

They both are guilty - but if you want to talk about the "O'Reilly" of the left - then that honor goes to Robert Greenwald and his organization Brave New Films.

[st4ticblu3]

Oh and the guest on here is a fool. He believes the US never had a gold standard and that we always have had a federal reserve. More kool-aid brainwashing. We are on our third federal reserve. Lincoln stopped the first one, he was shot. Andrew Jackson stopped the second. They tried to kill him twice but failed. JFK was their last threat.

[st4ticblu3]

i will say again. The protestant Martin Luther was Adolf Hitlers idol. Does that make Martin Luther a bad person.

Another main stream attempt to connect the dots for the kool-aid drinkers. Tap water is for suckers.

[hotanddark69]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel!" Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

[lunac666]

I would like to mention to this idiot who posted this video that I am a 'liberty minded person' and I am not in the least threatened by ANY of the coverage of the shooting, so there is some other element besides being 'liberty minded' that is making him concerned. I mean really- I am liberty minded- abolish the FED, abolish income taxes, the 16th Amendment is a fraud..2nd Amendment is rule (I favor regulation of some weapons but not all)..I am not afraid- what is it that makes him afraid? lol

[horta85]

'here's a cookie share it with your retard friends aka the gop"

Dude how old are you?

Hahha you sound like a 10 year old.

IDIOT "HORTA" I bet your to stupid to know the origin of that name but buddy it's not white American you dumb cheese fetus

But before I sign off and go to bed with your mama I just want to let you know that I look at you and see a waste of air & life. Your making me rethink abortion rights.

Sweet dreams, with regards. Your mother&I...

XOXO

[lunac666]

I bet your to stupid to realize that this statement is not grammatically correct....?

[horta85]

Oh I'm sorry did get to you? Seems like your cracking or I bother your logic in some sense hence your insults and name calling.

Don't worry cock sucker I'm good at that game too!

I can dick slap you across the face all day with jokes. However you want to play it sack sniffer I'll make you eat dirt kid.....

[lunac666]

Insults and name calling? I was just being a mirror to show the irony that you said "I bet your to stupid to realize..."

YOU ARE TOO STUPID- YOU ARE, =you're, too as in also or in excess of, addition to..simple elementary-school understanding of language. If you lack a fundamental understanding of language yourself you are hardly in the place to call others stupid...I thought you were going to bed with someone's mother anyway..?

[lunac666]

Look- the way I justify telling them things they don't want to know is by simply saying that they are not in the 'preferred group' of persons and he'll be rounded up by Obama's re-education police soon enough anyhow..so offending them now is moot- it will all be absolved by Obama's brain-hug rays..

[lunac666]

Jon Stewart called himself a progressive liberal, and I enjoy entertaining most of his logic and find him humorous so it would not offend. But I hesitate to attach the words progressive or liberal to any label to myself simply because of the stain the filth of the right-wing propaganda has invariably placed on these terms- even to an educated person I feel they have successfully created hesitance and distrust of the words..the ultimate low blow is to attack the words..

[lunac666]

I will say that I cannot stand the current manifestation of the republican party, and I think it is shameful for anyone to take them seriously simply because I think they are a joke, they are an anachronism, a laughing stock and they are border-line nazi in their social-conservatism, which is what is spawning all this right-wing fringe hatred and violence mostly because they can't stand a black man being in charge..

[horta85]

You are so right, hate is on the rise.....

Here are some good examples:

-Perez Hilton's vulgar insult attacks on Miss CA

-KGO Dj who called for the death of Joe he

Plumber

-The missionary who was attacked in the Castro district for handing out fliers

-The old lady who was attacked by No On 8 Supporters

-The attack on Palin, her daughter and child

Should I keep going? Point is there are extremist on all levels ad those nut jobs should not be used to identify any group f people.

[lunac666]

and how many left-wig hate-groups are there promoting the death and praising murderers? Can you name 5? The last conservative to actually be attacked? The last liberal to bomb innocent civilians?

I am talking about VIOLENT, HATE speech...you are trying to take what are a quaint few instances of some angry individuals to construe them as institutional with the liberal movement, when that is a lie. Whereas anti-abortion, anti-gay hate groups are all firmly supportive and supported by the right..

[lunac666]

and please- perez hilton and the letterman jokes?

Wait- what did the Dj say, did he say I wish he would die, I wish someone would kill him, or did he say "someone kill this fuck" and did he mean it? On the other hand, there is no ambiguity coming from YOUR side of the fence, my sad friend.

The sooner you wake up and realize that it's the right wing that has the violent extremist groups and not the left..the left wants to take away your toilet paper, not kill you. (apparently)

[horta85]

What are you talking about???

Perez jokes? No sugar check the record again what he said was vile. As far as the DJ he was fired for the threats. And I did not even hear you respond to he physical assaults? FACT CHECK!! Oh and how about the bomber liberal extremest Ayers!!! How could I forget him!

I'm not here t defend any radical extremest on any side. But if your going to take a idea and think your in the better party just know your in a b.s political game. POWER TO THE PEOPLE

[lunac666]

Yeah- Ayers- he's such a threat that he's a free man....

And I said LETTERMAN JOKES...not Perez jokes moron, I know Perez wasn't joking, however Letterman WAS joking-

What about the pastor who was praying for the death of Obama?

WHEN WAS THE LAST LEFT-WING ATTACK JACKASS? The 80s? You gonna say Reagan? Come on man...Ayers is old news, and the 'attacks' on the right from the left are not as frequently and vehemently violent, and the left rarely acts on violent rhetoric even if repeated.

[horta85]

Poopeater , you haven't proven anything with physical evidence your just talking out your ass! Talking about your feelings and ideas which are valuable as a circumcised penis foreskin. I'm actually shocked you speak about "tolerance" but yet you go and call me a 'retard"and degrade a group of people. HAHAHAHA

Now don't message anymore, stop before I contact your high school and show them how stupid you are and get that GED/Diploma whatever you got revoked.

[lunac666]

individualist?

I don't know, I am always being called a tinfoil-hat liberal because I have access to CIA documents that prove the right-wing wrong on almost all of their major historical arguments and 'triumphs' as well as suggest the neocon movement has had a significant dark military history within and outside of the US for war-profiteering and to some degree I understand how all of this turns to this crazy 'fascism/socialism' alarmist bullshit, so what am I?You tell me-I don't label myself..

[lunac666]

that is exactly the point- I care about the people. I fall on the left, or libertarian to some degree, and I do believe that some socialist programs are viable and dare I say beneficial such as a health care program, a scholarship fund (not socialized education, but we all go pay for it) but I also think we should abandon much of our military BS and begin working on society. And I want everything legalized including prostitution, assisted suicide and all drugs, regulated but legal. What am I?

[horta85]

Thanks for proving my point!

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bigot or religious as you put it. Seems like the only racist bigot is you. Doesn't seem equal and open to me?

By the way little buddy I'm neither white American or religious so goes to show just how ignorant and prejudice you really are!

So now that I proved your pathetic theories wrong don't bother messaging me back, your a waste of youtube space and I will not read your dogmatic garbage.

[lunac666]

it seems you are attacking words and not statements....insinuating that he called all religious people bigots or vice versa simply because they were connected?

It is true that, for example, JW Von Brunn was a religious bigot, I have read his writings enough to know that for certain, and that there is a large, growing, violent religious fundamentalist group that happen to be racists uniting in violent undertones since the election- seems that the statements you are attacking are quite relevant.

[horta85]

Whoo life style choice and ethnicity two different things. Your right, we shouldn't do what American's want. Lets do what your point of view is, thatls fair and equal.

So bias and close minded.

[lunac666]

Always bear in mind what true patriotism is, it has nothing to do with governments or Countries or political bodies, true patriotism is about people, it's philanthropy in it's most pure form, and as proof of this we needn't look any further than the founders of our nation, whom themselves were traitors yet persist as arguably of the most patriotic blood of any American to live..patriotism/political philosophy needn't be centered around a platform for political election cycles ;)

[lunac666]

That is what I was getting at, it wasn't NEO-classical until it the original tenets of classical liberalism had been revived.

Political philosophy-

I am an alien.

Seriously, I try not to have one outside of objectivism and individualism combined with a keen respect and understanding of the Constitution and the Epicurean philosophy it is based on. Google "Democrats and Republicans equally adept at ignoring facts" and you will see how labeling yourself skews your perception, a la Schrodinger.

[destruantes]

It seems futile to debate you on this with your agressive ignorance in basic political concepts like neo nazis being right wing extremists for example.

You treat rush's exposed lies as facts and you question if the labels aply to ALL members of either party, ofcourse they don't - NOTHING aplies to ALL members, but things mentioned are standpoints of frontfigures of the r. party and the parties guidelines, apart from the jewhating which stems from his right wing EXTREMISM.

[lunac666]

Right-wing is no longer a vague term, it is becoming quite specific in it's description of what is now 21% of the VEP and shrinking, and right-wing extremists are just that. It's not a big scare tactic here, banemaler, this is sad but true that the right wing is getting desperate, and is beginning to cultivate the bigotry it has been sewing since the Goldwater era, and all the racists are coming out because we voted for a black man. Tea Parties are supported by White Supremacists vociferously..

[lunac666]

BTW what is 'neoclassical liberalism'? And if it's NEOclassical how could it have been the orginals? I think you have your terminologies screwed up, neo-classical would be revivalist, i.e. contemporary. I.e. there was no such thing as 'neoclassical liberalism' it was 'classical' liberalism, and is only NEOclassical when it is revived, as in the early 60s. I get where you are going, but I think you need to do some more reading?? Sorry if I am being obnoxious...

[lunac666]

The majority think gay marriage should be legal...54% and rising now.

and the majority only rules when the rights of the minority are not being infringed upon. It's very simple people.

Your rights end where the tip of my nose begins. Same with the majority. The reason we have the system set up is, you are right, the rights of the minority must be protected, so majority rules insofar as no minority rights are infringed upon.

[unclesam21]

what rush said was lame. id expect him to come out with something more shocking like....."it's only a dead black man, what's the big deal."

rush is a cunt. wish someone would put a bullet in his temple.

[phrek75]

Olbermann tool *cough*

[horta85]

Hell ya I'm for less government, strong abortion laws, rights for everyone, a fair tax code, less taxes on small business, power to the people, and see something wrong with needing parents permission for a ear piercing but no notification or parents consent for a abortion! CONSERVATIVE YES I AM!

[obamadidit2008]

well i am for a national govt. abortion rights,a tax code that doesn't give so generously to folks who should sacrifice for the greater good, and that after all the nut jobs who have been MURDERING folks recently, supports the strongest gun controls possible. SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC YES I AM!

[Tunedup81]

Your Idea of "Rights for Everyone" is of great Fiction.. Your Idea of "Everyones having Rights" is as long as they conform and think like you they can have rights.. Would you let Gays and or lesbians Marry one another under your "Rights for Everyone"? or how about the Rights to abort a child the mother has that right, The problem with alot of Republicans is they bring religion into their views of Politics and make decisions based on that rather than our Law. Religon and State should be separate.

[horta85]

Then it's up to the population and majority is that what your saying? American's have spoken and don't want gay marriage. Yet it's happening in many places why? So if it's not up to the majority, or since you don't believe in equality for all since that is "the problem with alot of republicans" I'm assuming your leaving it up the big government. And religion aside yet again even us Californians didn't pass gay marriage. So Keep it at that!

[Tunedup81]

you're wrong, this isn't a "Democracy" our Government is to Protect the individual's right's, Liberties, and Property.. not the majority rule. You're assuming the majoirty rules and thats not true, if the majority wanted your house can they take it? NO!, if the Majority wanted every American to be a Christian? NO! our Constitution was setup to PROTECT each Citizen who lives within its boundries. Your idea is assuming we are a democracy and thats absolutly absurd..

[Tunedup81]

The middle ground is where the Constitution sits, Its neither Left nor Right and this is where I sit..

Creator>Individual

Individual>Government

Balancing them takes a doccument.. (Constitution of December 15th 1791)

This doccument wrote by man to protect the rights our Creators gave us, just as this "Creator" Gave us the ability to individual thoughts. This doccument alowed us a limited form of Govt. and all your questions can be answered by reading those Doccuments.

[horta85]

Didn't Keith commentate on football???

Hahah should have stuck to that unless his ratings were similar to his show it would be no shocker why he got dropped!

[Tunedup81]

You're thinking two dementional.. In all purpose I'm a Libertarian, I'm not Left (Socialist) nor am I Right (Facsist) theres the delema.. you're mind only thinks left and right.. I'm in the middle.. I Stand with the Constitution. Neither Democrats nor Republicans stand with the Constitution.. as proof in our nations history.

[banemaler]

You should check out the worlds smallest political quiz. It is likely the best explanation for any political spectrum. Libertarian philosophy isn't necessarily middle because the opposite of Socialism isn't Fascism. Both are forms of Statist control. I think you really want to think of it as absolute government control versus anarchy no governance (which never truly exists), or left and right.

[aloofbooks]

The guy was a conservaitve, right winged jerk!!!!

[Tunedup81]

The scary thing about your left and your right in ur head is you're right, and their wrong.. Me personaly I dont care for any of that.. I'm a Libertarian.. someone who feels neither Republicans nor Democrats have any idea what was given to us.. Freedom. The doccument (Constitution & Bill of Rights) were intrusted in us to protect a persons rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. Both dem's and Republicans aren't what they had in mind. (Founding Fathers) besides.. America is NOT a Democracy....

[Tunedup81]

who cares.. the guy was insane and listening to this garbage creates insane people! lol

[SirTimbo]

So true tunedup, there are crazies everywhere, we just need to make sure we don't give them a violent focus.

[Tunedup81]

Agreed!  =D

[horta85]

Keith, your show sucks!

And you have the ratings to prove it : )

[greenlanternintx]

Funny you think ratings prove a show is intelligent or not.. some of the dumbest shows have the highest ratings, so your argument that Olbermann's show sucks doesn't quite reflect reality. Come on, I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here beats out many shows...

[rebjiii]

horta85....if u agree with limbaugh's opinion here ( von brunn was a liberal)....i've got to assume both of u are high on prescription pain killers.....none of von brunn's internet postings can be linked to liberalism.

[obamadidit2008]

so what. you seem to have have the shallow idea that "impressive" is greater than "important"

[horta85]

With a name like "Obamadidit2008" gives me the impression no matter what I'd say you would be a close minded dogmatic points of views person. So I will not even waist my time on one of the sheep from the flock.

[roastbeefdinner]

von brunn is a liberal...all nazis are and were in the classical sense..it was the national socialist party of germany..prove that wrong!

[obamadidit2008]

roastbeef, they stole a word,SOCIALIST! they were no more "socialist" than limbaugh is "intelligent"! von brunn was a "fringe" right winger

[rebjiii]

calling von brumm a liberal is about as logical as calling michael vick an animal lover.