@jonathanfator -It can seem to some like the standards,or morals,are changing over time. But slavery was once aceptable,and forced marriages are still today in some cultures,but that doesn't make it right . If it is wrong,it is wrong,period. Do you say that the bible was written in barbaric times and thus has exceptions? If so,the Bible must be [partly] barbaric!
@caralhoman Lol you are right about the Christian definition. Too bad that's not what it takes. Go read up how Jesus pronounces the woes on the Pharisees. The problem with Christians is that they can be hypocrites. Hell all us are, but Christians can be the worst.
@johhnycarlos "Hell all us are [hypocrites], but Christians can be the worst"
No joking, really?!?
"Go read up how Jesus pronounces the woes on the Pharisees"
It is always the same... someone criticizes or points out flaws in christianity and the answer is always the same or variations of it: "you do not know the Bible, read it". I know all that shit already, I know the Jesus vs. Pharisees part. I did not abandon the belief in the Bible because I did not know it, but because I DID know it.
@caralhoman You can believe in God and what Christ did, but that won't get you to heaven. You do know that right? There are some Christians who probably won't make it.
@caralhoman I'll do it anyways. Your ego and self image is your own god and you feed it with good deeds. You are a slave to whatever idea you have that you think will make you a good person. I am a good person because I do this and this and this. And YOU arent a good person because you arent as chartiable as I am. I am better than you is all I hear. The gospel says, no. Nobody is better than anyone else, because it isnt about how good YOU are because YOU will turn a good noble thing, continued.
@johhnycarlos into an ultimate ego play. Thats the way humans are and thats ok. The gospel says Jesus comes and destroys that slipper slope by doing and being perfectly what we can never be and never do. And through the gospel, if you acknowledge that about yourself, that you are problem riddled, then there is no possible way you can look down on anyone because you have asked for the deeds of someone else to take the place of your own.
@johhnycarlos "There are some Christians who probably won't make it"
Exacly, that is the point. Go tell them that. Tell them that and you will hear that THEY are the "true christians" and YOU "won't make it". That is how christianity works. Every christian is always the no true christian of another christian. Always. Even the Pope goes to hell. Bush eventually goes to heaven, unlike madre Teresa... The only unanimous consensus: only those who believe "make it". Behavior is disputable,not belief
@caralhoman Thats why some Christians wont make it, because they think that being as pious as possible and going to Church every sunday in a suit and tie and reading the Bible religously that God will have to take them because of what THEY have done, not what Christ did for them. Taking a noble good thing and turning it into an ultimate thing.
@johhnycarlos "you didn't read the Romans passage I referenced?"
I know what you mean. And you? do you know what I mean? You say that being a "true christian" is acting in a specific way,I say that in this criteria,the figure of the true christian does not exist,nobody is a true christian,not even you.The only "true christian" the world has proof of was a goddamn hindu
Moreover, your criteria (behavior/atittude) do not take anyone to heaven if they fail to believe jesus. BELIEF is the criteria
Maam, you do realize it philosophically impossible to pretty much prove anything and everything right? There is not a tiny shred of evidence I am not limer monkey dreaming this right. And you might want to research into the truley secular societies of history that looked to abolish religion becase it was seen as "the opium of the people". The top 2 genocides in recorded history are attached to such societies. Yeah...
"The top 2 genocides in recorded history are attached to such societies"
Comunism has made dictatorships and genocides, not atheism. Communists did not make dictatorships because they were atheists, atheism has nothing that comples or encourages genocide (unlike religion, which clearly does), it is just not believing in gods. And nazism was christian oriented. The Catholic Church was quite an enthusiast of the nazi hate for the faithless "red manace" of communism.
@caralhoman Ever heard of marxism? Maybe so? The base for communism? Carl Marx says the critcism of the church and religion is the greatest criticism. And I bet Peter Hitchens would disagree with you also. "Rage Against God". Might take a peak at it.
@johhnycarlos "Ever heard of marxism? Maybe so? The base for communism?"
Again, atheism has nothing to do with the dictatorships of communism. There is nothing in atheism that compels or encourages or even condones genocides. Atheism is just not believing anything for which there is no evidence of its existence. NOTHING MORE.
But you can prove me wrong right now. All you need to do is quote a phrase of the holy book of atheism that can be interpretated as an encouragement to genocide.
@caralhoman Maybe thats what you need to subplant as the ineherent problem with truley secular socities: there isnt any objective rules that govern the whole of humannity, because its whoever has the gold makes the rules. Atheism by default condones genocides by positing there is no God and therefore no afterlife so technically I can do what I want in this world without any true reprocussions.
@johhnycarlos "thats what you need to subplant as the ineherent problem with truley secular socities:there isnt any objective rules that govern the whole of humanity"
Why not? Constitutions,laws,cops,judges,jails...
"so technically I can do what I want in this world without any true reprocussions"
But then it is not a problem with atheism, is it? It is a problem with you. Do you need a god to tell you that killing is wrong? Do you need a threat of eternal anguish for not to steal from people?
@caralhoman I just sent you a private message at the text limiations on here. Please read as it pertains to what happens when the fear of God's judgment isnt a reality in society.
@johhnycarlos "I just sent you a private message [...] it pertains to what happens when the fear of God's judgment isnt a reality in society"
Bullshit. Not only I already said in my previous comment the reason why the fear of God is unnecessary (order can be acheived by an efficient state), but also there is plenty of exemples of the "fear of God" doing exacly the same things that you describe as being result of lack of fear of God (and that includes genocides, lots of them).
Well... supposing that heaven and hell exist and that hell is the place where people not allowed in heaven go, then you sure would get the hell, because heaven would not have room for people like you, heaven is a place for Intolerant, exclusive, hateful, segragating religious bigots and that is definitely not your case!
@caralhoman Did you even read the passage I referenced? If not why? I can call myself a duck and walk like a duck and quack like a duck, but that doesnt make me a duck. And atheism is just as exclusive as Christianity is. You assert that EVERYONE is wrong about reality and so does Christianity. So how is that exclusive?
@johhnycarlos I did not read your passage and the answer for why I have not read is in the comment you just replied. Understand what you read: I do not speak based on Bible scriptures but in christian behavior based on them. That simple. They make it sound like their heaven only accepts spoiled people
"And atheism is just as exclusive as Christianity"
I introduce you to atheism:
only believing that for which there is evidence of its existence. No evidence,no reason to believe. No more no less
@caralhoman "I do not speak based on Bible scriptures but in christian behavior based on them." Henced why I referenced Romans 12:9-21 which is titled "The Mark of a True Christian". Christianity isnt void of hypocracy. And you seriously think that everything you believe has evidence to back up the truth value of it all? I guarantee you I can prove you wrong.
@caralhoman The no true scotsman fallacy doesnt apply, because as the name implies there isnt a statment about how a scotsman is suppose to act and exist within society. Ironically there is in Romans 12:9-21 pertaining to a Christian. Seeing how religion doesnt compete with science for same explanations for reality I cant answer your question.
Scientifcally provide evidence for the mathematical truth: 1+1=2.
@johhnycarlos "The no true scotsman fallacy doesnt apply"
*is from scotland -> scotsman, regardless of wearing undergarments under the kilt or not
*believes Jesus to be son of God and savior (and blah blah) -> christian, regardless of atittude
They believe in Jesus, they think they go to heaven/hell, they "accept christ" and all the other clichés of christianity. Either that stamps them as christians or they are lowsy excuses of hindus.
@johhnycarlos Supposing that true scotsman doesnot apply... okay,so the true christians are true christians because they do as Jesus tells them.They do not sell their stuff to give the money to the poor,do they? they do not choose prayer instead of healing by faith,do they? they do not turn the other cheek,do they? or rejoice in being persecuted or love their neighbor as themselves,deny themselves,give up everything they have,live a poor life...?
Actually God does exist. Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And there is a hell.
The problem with atheists is that they are prideful and it pride blinds them from the truth. Jesus said you can't enter the Kingdom of God unless you humble yourself as a child.
This wonderful woman makes a great deal of valid points. The bible does contradict itself many times,by the way.....like how the dead are all just dead until judgement day [and yet Jesus visited them in Hell,and spoke with them?] and modern Christians sell stories of people getting glimpses of Hell today? And reconcile the Old Testament [slavery,child abuse/rape/incest/pillage/mass slaughter] such as Moses was commanded by God,with the New Testament. Jesus would not have done what "God" said!
LOL "GOD HAS MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES!" LOUSE. You hold God to your OWN CHILDISH idea of morality? If God took something that we know as wrongful and said it was right, then it would be right, because God is never wrong.
@ShaneHatesYourScene Have you even read a Bible? Didn't think so, because if you had you would've noticed that God condones, advocates and decrees genocide, incest, rape, homophobia, sexism, slavery, child murder - the list goes on and on. It is truly offensive, disgusting and perverted.
If the Bible is God's inerrant Word, why are there so many inconstancies and glaring contradictions?
If "God is never wrong", then none of the Abrahamic scriptures are truly His Word.
@jonathanfater Just do a Google search - you'll find more than enough to sate your curiosity - Deuteronomy, Numbers, Exodus, Judges - there's plenty to choose from! :-(
@jonathanfater WOAH. Are you seriously saying that you don't consider killing a woman's family and forcing her to be your wife, and forcing her to have sex with you is the worst sort of rape imaginable? Holy smokes. Your religion has destroyed your ability to think clearly.
@CompletelyLovely Having forceful sex with someone else without there consent is rape.
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 just shows that a man was allowed to marry a captive women, not to have her as a sex slave, but as a wife. That how things were in ancient cultures, if you were a women living in those times you would have to marry whoever your father picks out for you to marry. Of course this passage looks like rape to us cuz our culture now is different from back then.
@jonathanfater Whether she likes it or not, whether she consents or not "After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her". She has no say in it - that's rape!
"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbour. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight" 2 Samuel 12:11-14 That's rape.
@Graeme555 Hold on there pal look at the context of 2 Samuel 12:11-14 first. This here was a act of judgment from God, as an act of judgment God most certainly can do and allow these things to happen because of sin committed against Him.
You think this judgment is harsh? Just wait till the judgment written in the book of Revelations takes place, it will make rape look like a kiss on the cheeks.
@jonathanfater There is no justification for rape - ever! Not by anyone for any reason - ever!
To suggest otherwise is offensive, disgusting and perverted. It only goes to show what depths of depravity apologists will stoop to justify these Bronze Age ramblings.
You, sir, should be ashamed! I want no further exchanges with you. Filth!
Yes, all the ancient cultures of the world, the ones who used mathematics to define everything from keeping the value of time to astronomy to the precise measurements of weight and all the things they learned very early, the way they had cuneiforms that documented all this "mythology", they were all silly because it's 2012 and you have internet access, right? I have watched several of your videos and everything you say is subjective you child.
I think your plan for hell just might work-I'm willing to try it with you. I mean,what's the worst that could happen? [and your name really is very descriptive,internally too,I'm sure]
It's ok...youtube commentaries isn't my favorite place to express myself. But u r invited and perhaps respectfully requested to be careful about either supporting a position u hold or be mindful of others position If it is coherent, and/or sensical
u gonna make hell, beautiful, well...we'll see when u get cancer. if hell isn't real ..maybe u can make it beautiful, beautiful but clueless arrogant girl
i gotta question for u...reason pretentious cunt, how u explain spirits/demons, i have seen and witnessed. wake the fuck up from ur arrogance u dimwit
I've got a question for you, how do you go from supernatural experiences to pretending to know the how, what and why behind them?
Assuming ofcourse that it actually happened in the first place as you could just as easily be delusional, all it takes is a casual stroll through looneyville to show that your mind can play tricks on you (oh right, you're special, ofcourse what YOU think you saw actually happened, now that's arrogance).
When a rational thinking man, who always thought logically tells u there is something out there, coupled with multitude of similar accounts, u have to investigate it. I never gave an answer to anything i posted a question to the one who claims to have an answer. Read appropriately
But even if you're telling the absolute truth, what value does personal testimony have to someone else?, none whatsoever.
For example; I went out yesterday and I almost got run over by an UFO after buying magic beans at the marketplace, then on the way home I got jumped by a group or 3-armed (as in they've got 3 arms) thugs with magic wands.
Would you just believe me?, ofcourse not, you'd require solid empirical evidence.
if u r run by UFO, and thousands upon thousand testified, i have to take that assumption while i experience it. U talk about empirical proof but u don't understand how it works in science, i am in the scientific field, the system of proof has by definition to submit an unprovable pressumption within the set in order to establish the proof. See Godel's incompleteness theoreme
PS: I know ppl who say they've had "supernatural" experiences, but they don't attribute those experiences to anything, because unlike you they know that even IF true it's way beyond anyone's understanding (especially theirs).
I do love the irony of you calling someone arrogant for having an intellectually honest skeptic mindset, while you are infact being arrogant (as I explained).
discarding or discounting countless accounts of a certain phnomena isn't the practice of a rational man. If u ought to investigate the truth elements in that which makes ppl complain u have to investigate, we are all human beings who populate this earth. If u discount that u may as well discount new epidemic of some new disease if ppl complain from it. Science does not and could not explain the supernatural which cannot be dismissed, until then i can't take atheists seriously
i'm not the one who's arrogant to claim i have the response, if u are arrogant enough to say there is no GOD while belitteling others, i have nothing but to look close at that which supports ur position, but ur position isn't supported, it is an emenating leap as much as is the other side, except that u r happy to appeal to others, i'm not. I am not the one who say anything, all i say i don't know, yet the supernatural exists
"all i say i don't know, yet the supernatural exists"
You actually take it quite a step further than that by pretending to know that they are infact spirits and demons: "how u explain spirits/demons, i have seen and witnessed".
"Read appropriately"
Same to you, read what you write before you post it.
"ur position isn't supported" & "if u are arrogant enough to say there is no GOD while belitteling others"
Like i said, i report my experience, if u choose to discount it, good ur business, but when u velify or discount it on the merit that it lacks evidence even in light of conforming and numerous accounts of thousands of others, then u r not in a position to put value to their reports because we already at this point have an event taking place, if u want to investigate it welcome, but it is submitted a priori supernatural. Got that ?
Errr, it would help if you worked on your sentence structure, you're not exactly easy to follow, which is why I doubted you were in the scientific field as I'd expect a bit more care from you concerning your posts.
"an event taking place"
Could you be more unclear?
"even in light of conforming and numerous accounts"
With 490 character i would not expect one to follow well a response that falls beyond the average reader. Please stop making excuses, either inquire, question, or refute. thank u
An irrelevant example as an epidemic can be tested on the empirical scale, even if curing it takes time there is actual physical indication of the epidemic.
"u claim the knowledge in non-existence"
Wth are you talking about?
I guess this is where I stop and just write you off as a waste of time.
Either you can't read/write properly, or you lack the motivation to do so (and that's not even the first time in this short conversation).
the epidemic example, is pertinent example but u merely assert that it is irrelevant without pointing out the relevency criteria on which it is not applicable to said topic. u said "Wth are you talking about?" i said u claimed the knowledge that God does not exist "non-existence that is",without having support of such position, it remains unverifiable unfounded but merely a preferred position nothing more. I write periodically when possible, so my writing isn't justifiably bad, thk u
"i said u claimed the knowledge that God does not exist"
Ah, was afraid of that, and I did no such thing btw.
I claimed that the god concept is both unverifiable and unfalsifiable and as such there is no reason to believe any god exists, there's a world of difference between that and actually stating "there is no god", not to mention stating it with a 100% certainty.
this is exactly the fallacy the atheists escape from, i think, they retreat to the point of that there is no reason to believe, but they refuse to acknowledge the unlikelihood that there is no reason not consider that a cause exists. Not necessarily a god. The position of saying there is no god is not the same as i don't know i prefer not to believe, u'r simply agnostic then. So there is no reason to consider ur position since it is unverifiable "e.g. M-theory, pocket universes"
It doesn't actually, it's just hard to follow sometimes due to missing words and/or spelling errors, they aren't frequent but they occur at important parts.
Ironic though since you've just demonstrated an inability to read a very clear post and took it as me claiming knowledge that god does not exist, in addition to the aforementioned problem with some parts of your previous posts.
That doesn't really but you beyond the 'average reader', my friend ;).
I say there's no reason to assume that one does exist, I don't claim certainty.
But the god concept IS unverifiable and unfalsifiable by definition.
And seeing as you can't distinguish between the unobservable and the non-existent, there is no reason for believing a god does exist, no more than the invisible and untouchable were-tiger under my bed.
"I am in the scientific field"
I find that doubtful, but it's irrelevant either way.
"I find that doubtful, but it's irrelevant either way", this response stems solely from emotion rather than submitting until verification, which suggests the tendency of ur argment to be rather in it for discrediting rather than true inquiry. I distinguish well the observable and the non-existent, this very statement contradicts what u said here "I don't claim certainty", u claim the knwoledge in non-existence yet u retreat to "i don't know". ur answer is there
Perhaps you or anyone who visits hell be a reporter & report back in an earthly created news paper called News from Hell. You could report back your success in changing hell and all the gossip down there and all the messages that people in hell want to give to their loved ones on earth. I would guess that all messages will be something like Arrrrhhhhh!!! Don't come here. Arrrhhh!!! Help me Pray for me please. Any way good luck on making hell a hell of a place But I doubt this will happen. Sorry
A traveller travelling in the desert he comes upon oases and in the oases there is a perfect palace now there no building materials around and he finds another old man and he
ask him where did this palace come from and the old man said oh subhannallah glory to be our Creator you would not believe where it come from. First the wind blew so hard it shaped the rocks into perfect cubes with square edges and it tumbled the rocks over the deserts until they all fell together in the shape of this palace in perfect assortment and then the wind blew the dust with some hairs and fibres from the trees into the cracks and brought the rain and that made the cement that cemented
it altogether and then lightning strikes blasted the sand to sheets of glass and blew the sheets of glass into the windows and then the elements took woods from far corners of the earth and shaped it with the wind and different force of the element into furniture and into window trimming, doors and tornados and hurricanes carried here dropped the doors into door places dropped the windows in and made the window frames tumbled the furniture’s into the rooms. These strong winds took the fire
birds outta backs of our sheep wove them together into tapestries and carpets and clotted the floors with it and all of this happened just in this one place on the earth to make this perfect palace.
you know when we begin thinking about it we can’t help but roll our eyes and realise c’mon this guy is crazy this is impossible and yet we are told to believe is that BIG BANG and NATURAL SELECTION through two most climatic events in history of creation accomplished something even greater than this.
Funny vid. But if there is a hell as described by some Christians the hell will you be able to change it in any way. And the hell will you be able to sing, laugh, dance. speak or communicate or have any good time with anyone down there. Unless of cause you create your own hell. As its been said that hell could be just a state of mind. Besides have you told the devil that your gonna change his abode. Maybe he likes it the way it is. Probably many people have had same idea.
My favorite quote: "The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?" - Dan Barker
I like your vids, but I have a problem with your handle. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you are "completely lovely". I'd bet dollars to donuts that your lower intestines are icky -- just like everyone else's. If you want me to believe your lower intestines are lovely, I need photographic evidence.
@nelsonaddison Completely lovely is just something I tend to say about things. I wish I hadn't made it my name! However, I am the sort of person who finds anatomical dissections beautiful, so it's possible someone out there might describe my intestines as lovely.
@CompletelyLovely Not to interfere at all with your conversation, but I just saw this comment on the YouTube-stream and I would just like to get a chance to say this:
I don't know you at all, just a few things you have explained you are into "atheism". Well, that's just one thing. I would not describe you as something lovely or anything like that. I would say that you are interesting and I like the way you rationalize. You are completely lovely too in your videos, but I don't know you. :-)
@CompletelyLovely (1) Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government. (This is their demonic religious belief and agenda.)
@CompletelyLovely (2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
@CompletelyLovely (3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians & elites currently running our world. Watch two YouTube documentaries called "The Arrivals" & "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They will explain it to you much better than I can. Also, do a search for the New World Order & one-world government.
Watch our politicians call for a "new world order" at:
h t t p : / / 911truthseeker . webs . com / thenewworldorder . htm
@CompletelyLovely "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless they will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
@CompletelyLovely "Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviors and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet, and the only God."
--H.P. Blavatsky, highly-respected Illuminati occultist and author of "The Secret Doctrine"
I hate to say this but you may want to err on the side of caution. Would you stick your hand in a vipers nest simply because you cant see any snakes? There is a common sense approch to God that I think alot of people fail to see. I'd rather the big guy have my back then not. And at what price? Treating people as I want to be treated? I used to be like you, say the same things as you are. Hopefully you don't have to go through all the things I did to learn what it's all about.
@Archades6969 By your logic, why should we not follow every single religion. They're all equally plausible. Why only have one big guy having you back when you can have thousands?
@Archades6969 You`re trying Pascal`s wager, don`t you? Being faithful just in case a god might exist and I end up with a poker up my arse for all eternity? Don`t you think that a good who falls for that is, wether he exists or not, just to dump to believe in?
agreed, religions is a damn lie. they teach little truth. the morals are good, but you don't need religion to live a good life. people need to wake the hell up, meditate, love all. pursue what you enjoy. this world is so cruel and messed up. cant wait till the new age. remember to live positive, and LOVE ALL. dont let ego get the best of you!
are many opportunities to go to church and read the bible but you all push it aside without even giving it a shot, think about it how would we all get here if there wasnt an almighty God we didnt appear from goop or a big blast in the atmosphere its not by chance we are too complex. Scientists to this day cannot replicate what the human eye can do, so how could we have been created by chance then? Yeah we couldnt have been, there is a God whether you chose to stop whining and open your eyes
all of you people talking about how God is stupid and Christianity is stupid because if God really did exist he wouldnt send people to hell for not doing anything wrong. Honestly people all he wants is for you to believe and love him THATS IT well there is a bit more to that but in simple terms yes thats all there is too it. And you all complain how he is going to throw you into hell, well all of you here have had the chance to hear the word and you chose to ignore it, so it is your fault there
@jess3336677 LOL, you do realize that many religions are controlled right? they are so far from the truth. christianity is a joke. all religions do teach good morals. but you don't need religion to live a good life. and hell may be a state of mind or being as opposed to a place.
I believe hell is the absence of good. The absence of light. I believe you are alone in hell. That is the punishment. Being cut off from everything good. Still, I very much doubt that good people go to hell. If they do, what kind of God are we talking about? Adolf Hitler? I have recently lost my christian faith. Have been reading up on satanism which I find interesting and not so hypocritical. I still believe that God exists, just not in the way depicted by man- We are too limited to know God
Chevy Chase WOULD make a good God character in a movie? Don't have to wait. Go rent "Hot Tub Time Machine." Chase is funny, and so is the movie. YES, the movie is stupid as it sounds, but funny.
I love you... You're so much the antithesis of the "angry atheist" stereotype... Wow you're going to make hell a living (o_O?) paradise... Can't wait to see you there and throw a BBQ!
Okay what the hell decides who is ignorant? What because people choose to follow a religion you just automatically have the right to label them ignorant.
@penguinsarebeast33 Well, yeah. Of course I have that right. It's called free speech, and is kind of a big deal. As for my justification, which is probably what you were actually trying to ask, I typically view anyone who ignores blatant evidence and instead builds their beliefs on magic and mythology as ignorant. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, of course, and there are certainly varying levels of ignorance among both the religious and non-religion.
@TehGamersGarage Well yeah, you're not going to get a lot of laymen able to communicate complex concepts like that. Check out Lawrence Krauss' talk called "a Universe from Nothing." That should answer a lot of your questions. Watching talks by top scientists who are also good communicators (Neil deGrasse Tyson is also a favourite) is a great way to learn all the amazing things we actually know about the universe.
@DjetGlea He's God. When you die and you get to see him upon Judgement Day, just ask him. With us as humans, the idea of where God came from is too damn complex. He's just God. He's always been there.
But, like I said, you'll eventually have a chance to ask him yourself.
@TehGamersGarage Give me a break... It is scary to think people like you will, or do, have kids.
Instead of asking hard questions, like "What evidence is there for god, and even if there is one, where did god even come from?' No, instead you say, and I quote, " With us humans, the idea of where god came from is just too damn complicated."
Way to completely suppress critical thinking and support a position from ignorance (ie "if I don't know better, it must be this.")
RE: Where did the ball of mass and energy come from?
Frankly we do not know where it came from. How does this invalidate the theory?
The multiverse theory would explain it. Better understanding of other dimensions, time, space and matter might also shed light on it. Perhaps matter and energy are inevitable constructs as a result of the universe expanding.
But does the fact that we don't yet know mean that we should insert gods of the gaps of our knowledge? And if so why?
@itsjustameme It invalidates it by the fact that something can't come from NOTHING. And, until then, that invalidates the rest of the theory with the simple fact that, well, it never existed because it was impossible to have existed.
Also, I think you might want to know, the knowledge that God existed with the first human being, Adam.
That same logic could just as well be aimed at any theistic explanation. Show me what methods a creator uses to create things ex-nihilo in violation of that law and replicate it under laboratory conditions.
I mean that is what you are asking of me right? It should work both ways I should think.
We have only had some 50 years of scientific research into the topic and we are already closer to understanding the universe than after 2000 years of theistic inquiry.
@itsjustameme He's GOD. As in, he's a god. He's THE god. And God can do anything. He can look at your shoes and make them less ugly, he can make your friend's drinking problem disappear without giving it even the slightest thought. That's how Earth was created, by simply making it appear.
So, no, it unfortunately does not work both ways. Science is meant to be physical proof, of which we still have none of before the Bang.
So, again, no, you're still no closer, unfortunately.
Weeee - defining yourself out of the problem does not remove the burden of proof from you if you claim that there is a god. You say "he" is "the" God. Yet you have given me no reason to suppose that "he" is any more real than the devil, pixies, withes, the soul, the smurfs, or any of the other myths that religious people want us to believe exist.
Why do you think that you do not have to prove your claims when you demand proof to absurd degrees from me for scientific facts.
@itsjustameme Aside from the fact that science DEMANDS physical proof and a religious FAITH (notice the emphasis on FAITH, meaning, we have FAITH that he's real). Also, find me loopholes in the Bible on the creation of Earth. There aren't any.
As opposed to the Big Bang...
The proof of God is the Earth that you call home, yet you can't find enough evidence to back up your BELIEF (or lack thereof).
I have yet to find an explanation of where a miniscule ball of mass and energy that would give birth to an ever-expanding universe comes from. And I have yet to find and explanation of how a friggin' EXPLOSION creates a universe so neat and tidy.
@A3Kr0n -I choose Hell too! And for the same reason! Well,that and the fact I'll be nude,she'll be nude.........kinky torture and bondage,etc........
muskratist 5 days ago
I just commented on the video "Edward Tarte, God's Lost Son " that I choose Hell because you'll be there, and it's going to be great!
A3Kr0n 6 days ago
Oh,just in case,if Hell exists,I want to go there with CompletelyLovely.
muskratist 1 week ago
@jonathanfator -It can seem to some like the standards,or morals,are changing over time. But slavery was once aceptable,and forced marriages are still today in some cultures,but that doesn't make it right . If it is wrong,it is wrong,period. Do you say that the bible was written in barbaric times and thus has exceptions? If so,the Bible must be [partly] barbaric!
muskratist 1 week ago
I hear hell has a heated pool. Sounds great!
MyloDude22 1 week ago
@caralhoman Lol you are right about the Christian definition. Too bad that's not what it takes. Go read up how Jesus pronounces the woes on the Pharisees. The problem with Christians is that they can be hypocrites. Hell all us are, but Christians can be the worst.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
@johhnycarlos "Hell all us are [hypocrites], but Christians can be the worst"
No joking, really?!?
"Go read up how Jesus pronounces the woes on the Pharisees"
It is always the same... someone criticizes or points out flaws in christianity and the answer is always the same or variations of it: "you do not know the Bible, read it". I know all that shit already, I know the Jesus vs. Pharisees part. I did not abandon the belief in the Bible because I did not know it, but because I DID know it.
caralhoman 1 week ago
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@caralhoman How original.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
@caralhoman You can believe in God and what Christ did, but that won't get you to heaven. You do know that right? There are some Christians who probably won't make it.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
@johhnycarlos "You can believe in God and what Christ did, but that won't get you to heaven"
That is you saying. One of the so many interpretations of so many different "true christians"
I rape a baby,but I eventuallly "accept Jesus" --> heaven
I shelter homeless babies,feed them,dress them,make them grow into good people instead of street punks,but I am not christian --> hell
*He that heareth my word,and believeth on him that sent me,hath everlasting life, and shall not be into damnation*
caralhoman 1 week ago
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@caralhoman Want me to point out the flaw in your train of thought?
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
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@caralhoman I'll do it anyways. Your ego and self image is your own god and you feed it with good deeds. You are a slave to whatever idea you have that you think will make you a good person. I am a good person because I do this and this and this. And YOU arent a good person because you arent as chartiable as I am. I am better than you is all I hear. The gospel says, no. Nobody is better than anyone else, because it isnt about how good YOU are because YOU will turn a good noble thing, continued.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
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@johhnycarlos into an ultimate ego play. Thats the way humans are and thats ok. The gospel says Jesus comes and destroys that slipper slope by doing and being perfectly what we can never be and never do. And through the gospel, if you acknowledge that about yourself, that you are problem riddled, then there is no possible way you can look down on anyone because you have asked for the deeds of someone else to take the place of your own.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
@johhnycarlos "There are some Christians who probably won't make it"
Exacly, that is the point. Go tell them that. Tell them that and you will hear that THEY are the "true christians" and YOU "won't make it". That is how christianity works. Every christian is always the no true christian of another christian. Always. Even the Pope goes to hell. Bush eventually goes to heaven, unlike madre Teresa... The only unanimous consensus: only those who believe "make it". Behavior is disputable,not belief
caralhoman 1 week ago
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@caralhoman Thats why some Christians wont make it, because they think that being as pious as possible and going to Church every sunday in a suit and tie and reading the Bible religously that God will have to take them because of what THEY have done, not what Christ did for them. Taking a noble good thing and turning it into an ultimate thing.
johhnycarlos 1 week ago
@caralhoman I am guessing you didn't read the Romans passage I referenced?
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "you didn't read the Romans passage I referenced?"
I know what you mean. And you? do you know what I mean? You say that being a "true christian" is acting in a specific way,I say that in this criteria,the figure of the true christian does not exist,nobody is a true christian,not even you.The only "true christian" the world has proof of was a goddamn hindu
Moreover, your criteria (behavior/atittude) do not take anyone to heaven if they fail to believe jesus. BELIEF is the criteria
caralhoman 1 week ago
@caralhoman You have an odd view and understanding of what Christianity is.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman Quiet of a suburban home maybe?
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "Quiet of a suburban home maybe?"
Huh? explain
"You have an odd view and understanding of what Christianity is"
Same criteria for any religion:
*Believes in prophet Mohamed, Allah, the Quran and so on -> muslim
*Believes in prophet Jesus and prays to him, God, the Bible, goes to church -> christian
*Buddha, meditation, reincarnation, self-aknowlege -> biddhist
*Holy cows, four-armed blue gods, chackras -> hindu
*Was born and raised in scotland -> scotsman
Seems odd to you?
caralhoman 1 week ago
Maam, you do realize it philosophically impossible to pretty much prove anything and everything right? There is not a tiny shred of evidence I am not limer monkey dreaming this right. And you might want to research into the truley secular societies of history that looked to abolish religion becase it was seen as "the opium of the people". The top 2 genocides in recorded history are attached to such societies. Yeah...
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
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@johhnycarlos And by the way
"The top 2 genocides in recorded history are attached to such societies"
Comunism has made dictatorships and genocides, not atheism. Communists did not make dictatorships because they were atheists, atheism has nothing that comples or encourages genocide (unlike religion, which clearly does), it is just not believing in gods. And nazism was christian oriented. The Catholic Church was quite an enthusiast of the nazi hate for the faithless "red manace" of communism.
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman Ever heard of marxism? Maybe so? The base for communism? Carl Marx says the critcism of the church and religion is the greatest criticism. And I bet Peter Hitchens would disagree with you also. "Rage Against God". Might take a peak at it.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "Ever heard of marxism? Maybe so? The base for communism?"
Again, atheism has nothing to do with the dictatorships of communism. There is nothing in atheism that compels or encourages or even condones genocides. Atheism is just not believing anything for which there is no evidence of its existence. NOTHING MORE.
But you can prove me wrong right now. All you need to do is quote a phrase of the holy book of atheism that can be interpretated as an encouragement to genocide.
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman Maybe thats what you need to subplant as the ineherent problem with truley secular socities: there isnt any objective rules that govern the whole of humannity, because its whoever has the gold makes the rules. Atheism by default condones genocides by positing there is no God and therefore no afterlife so technically I can do what I want in this world without any true reprocussions.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "thats what you need to subplant as the ineherent problem with truley secular socities:there isnt any objective rules that govern the whole of humanity"
Why not? Constitutions,laws,cops,judges,jails...
"so technically I can do what I want in this world without any true reprocussions"
But then it is not a problem with atheism, is it? It is a problem with you. Do you need a god to tell you that killing is wrong? Do you need a threat of eternal anguish for not to steal from people?
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman I just sent you a private message at the text limiations on here. Please read as it pertains to what happens when the fear of God's judgment isnt a reality in society.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "I just sent you a private message [...] it pertains to what happens when the fear of God's judgment isnt a reality in society"
Bullshit. Not only I already said in my previous comment the reason why the fear of God is unnecessary (order can be acheived by an efficient state), but also there is plenty of exemples of the "fear of God" doing exacly the same things that you describe as being result of lack of fear of God (and that includes genocides, lots of them).
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
Well... supposing that heaven and hell exist and that hell is the place where people not allowed in heaven go, then you sure would get the hell, because heaven would not have room for people like you, heaven is a place for Intolerant, exclusive, hateful, segragating religious bigots and that is definitely not your case!
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman Damn. Really? Where in Romans 12:9-21 do you find any of those descriptors?
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos I am not based on Bible scriptures, but on how christians act. They believe they go to heaven but act on earth
-being intolerant with everyone else by imposing their belief system
-being exlusive saying that only those that believe as they do can go to heaven
-being hateful. Homossexuals and atheists (and even believers of other faiths) can confirm
-being segregating. Would they accept sharing heaven with muslims?
-Being bigots. That one really needs no explanation or example
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman Did you even read the passage I referenced? If not why? I can call myself a duck and walk like a duck and quack like a duck, but that doesnt make me a duck. And atheism is just as exclusive as Christianity is. You assert that EVERYONE is wrong about reality and so does Christianity. So how is that exclusive?
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos I did not read your passage and the answer for why I have not read is in the comment you just replied. Understand what you read: I do not speak based on Bible scriptures but in christian behavior based on them. That simple. They make it sound like their heaven only accepts spoiled people
"And atheism is just as exclusive as Christianity"
I introduce you to atheism:
only believing that for which there is evidence of its existence. No evidence,no reason to believe. No more no less
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman "I do not speak based on Bible scriptures but in christian behavior based on them." Henced why I referenced Romans 12:9-21 which is titled "The Mark of a True Christian". Christianity isnt void of hypocracy. And you seriously think that everything you believe has evidence to back up the truth value of it all? I guarantee you I can prove you wrong.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "Henced why I referenced Romans 12:9-21 which is titled The Mark of a True Christian"
Oh, you mean the no true scotsman fallacy? Okay, now I get it.
"They say the sky is the limit. For some people the basement ceiling is too high"
What role did your religion have in the trip to the moon or the exploring of space?
"And you seriously think that everything you believe has evidence to back up the truth value of it all? I guarantee you I can prove you wrong"
Go ahead.
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman The no true scotsman fallacy doesnt apply, because as the name implies there isnt a statment about how a scotsman is suppose to act and exist within society. Ironically there is in Romans 12:9-21 pertaining to a Christian. Seeing how religion doesnt compete with science for same explanations for reality I cant answer your question.
Scientifcally provide evidence for the mathematical truth: 1+1=2.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos "The no true scotsman fallacy doesnt apply"
*is from scotland -> scotsman, regardless of wearing undergarments under the kilt or not
*believes Jesus to be son of God and savior (and blah blah) -> christian, regardless of atittude
They believe in Jesus, they think they go to heaven/hell, they "accept christ" and all the other clichés of christianity. Either that stamps them as christians or they are lowsy excuses of hindus.
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos Supposing that true scotsman doesnot apply... okay,so the true christians are true christians because they do as Jesus tells them.They do not sell their stuff to give the money to the poor,do they? they do not choose prayer instead of healing by faith,do they? they do not turn the other cheek,do they? or rejoice in being persecuted or love their neighbor as themselves,deny themselves,give up everything they have,live a poor life...?
The "true christian" I know of was hindu: Gandhi
caralhoman 2 weeks ago
@caralhoman It is like Teddy Rosevelt said: They say the sky is the limit. For some people the basement ceiling is too high.
johhnycarlos 2 weeks ago
Good luck honey, you are going to need it...
Russianvids 2 weeks ago
Actually God does exist. Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And there is a hell.
The problem with atheists is that they are prideful and it pride blinds them from the truth. Jesus said you can't enter the Kingdom of God unless you humble yourself as a child.
vizion24 3 weeks ago in playlist Atheism
This wonderful woman makes a great deal of valid points. The bible does contradict itself many times,by the way.....like how the dead are all just dead until judgement day [and yet Jesus visited them in Hell,and spoke with them?] and modern Christians sell stories of people getting glimpses of Hell today? And reconcile the Old Testament [slavery,child abuse/rape/incest/pillage/mass slaughter] such as Moses was commanded by God,with the New Testament. Jesus would not have done what "God" said!
muskratist 4 weeks ago
LOL "GOD HAS MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES!" LOUSE. You hold God to your OWN CHILDISH idea of morality? If God took something that we know as wrongful and said it was right, then it would be right, because God is never wrong.
ShaneHatesYourScene 1 month ago
@ShaneHatesYourScene Have you even read a Bible? Didn't think so, because if you had you would've noticed that God condones, advocates and decrees genocide, incest, rape, homophobia, sexism, slavery, child murder - the list goes on and on. It is truly offensive, disgusting and perverted.
If the Bible is God's inerrant Word, why are there so many inconstancies and glaring contradictions?
If "God is never wrong", then none of the Abrahamic scriptures are truly His Word.
Graeme555 1 month ago
@Graeme555 Can you show me where in the Bible God instructs one to rape.
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
@jonathanfater Just do a Google search - you'll find more than enough to sate your curiosity - Deuteronomy, Numbers, Exodus, Judges - there's plenty to choose from! :-(
Graeme555 3 weeks ago
@Graeme555 Um nope, none of those books you listed shows that God instructs one to rape another person.
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
@jonathanfater Deuteronomy 21: 10-14 Did you miss that bit?
Graeme555 3 weeks ago
@Graeme555 No rape in that verse either, just that one can have a wife from a captive women.
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
@jonathanfater WOAH. Are you seriously saying that you don't consider killing a woman's family and forcing her to be your wife, and forcing her to have sex with you is the worst sort of rape imaginable? Holy smokes. Your religion has destroyed your ability to think clearly.
CompletelyLovely 3 weeks ago
@CompletelyLovely Having forceful sex with someone else without there consent is rape.
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 just shows that a man was allowed to marry a captive women, not to have her as a sex slave, but as a wife. That how things were in ancient cultures, if you were a women living in those times you would have to marry whoever your father picks out for you to marry. Of course this passage looks like rape to us cuz our culture now is different from back then.
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
@jonathanfater Whether she likes it or not, whether she consents or not "After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her". She has no say in it - that's rape!
"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbour. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight" 2 Samuel 12:11-14 That's rape.
Graeme555 3 weeks ago
@Graeme555 Hold on there pal look at the context of 2 Samuel 12:11-14 first. This here was a act of judgment from God, as an act of judgment God most certainly can do and allow these things to happen because of sin committed against Him.
You think this judgment is harsh? Just wait till the judgment written in the book of Revelations takes place, it will make rape look like a kiss on the cheeks.
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
@jonathanfater There is no justification for rape - ever! Not by anyone for any reason - ever!
To suggest otherwise is offensive, disgusting and perverted. It only goes to show what depths of depravity apologists will stoop to justify these Bronze Age ramblings.
You, sir, should be ashamed! I want no further exchanges with you. Filth!
Graeme555 3 weeks ago
@Graeme555 It isn't a justification for rape but an understanding of the context and cultures back then. Rape is condemnable (Deuteronomy 22:25)
jonathanfater 3 weeks ago
Yes, all the ancient cultures of the world, the ones who used mathematics to define everything from keeping the value of time to astronomy to the precise measurements of weight and all the things they learned very early, the way they had cuneiforms that documented all this "mythology", they were all silly because it's 2012 and you have internet access, right? I have watched several of your videos and everything you say is subjective you child.
ShaneHatesYourScene 1 month ago
I am i love with you, there is no way I can scape from it
I'll be in hell with you rubbing you with UV cream.
Please don't you ever stop making videos
pitiyanqui1 1 month ago
I think your plan for hell just might work-I'm willing to try it with you. I mean,what's the worst that could happen? [and your name really is very descriptive,internally too,I'm sure]
muskratist 1 month ago
Where can I find a smart, beautiful girl like this. Lady, you're AWESOME, will you marry me?
AbbeyRoadkill1 1 month ago
No offense, but that's the impression I'm getting.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
It's ok...youtube commentaries isn't my favorite place to express myself. But u r invited and perhaps respectfully requested to be careful about either supporting a position u hold or be mindful of others position If it is coherent, and/or sensical
Sam10947 1 month ago
u gonna make hell, beautiful, well...we'll see when u get cancer. if hell isn't real ..maybe u can make it beautiful, beautiful but clueless arrogant girl
Sam10947 1 month ago
i gotta question for u...reason pretentious cunt, how u explain spirits/demons, i have seen and witnessed. wake the fuck up from ur arrogance u dimwit
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
I've got a question for you, how do you go from supernatural experiences to pretending to know the how, what and why behind them?
Assuming ofcourse that it actually happened in the first place as you could just as easily be delusional, all it takes is a casual stroll through looneyville to show that your mind can play tricks on you (oh right, you're special, ofcourse what YOU think you saw actually happened, now that's arrogance).
(cont.)
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
When a rational thinking man, who always thought logically tells u there is something out there, coupled with multitude of similar accounts, u have to investigate it. I never gave an answer to anything i posted a question to the one who claims to have an answer. Read appropriately
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
(cont.)
But even if you're telling the absolute truth, what value does personal testimony have to someone else?, none whatsoever.
For example; I went out yesterday and I almost got run over by an UFO after buying magic beans at the marketplace, then on the way home I got jumped by a group or 3-armed (as in they've got 3 arms) thugs with magic wands.
Would you just believe me?, ofcourse not, you'd require solid empirical evidence.
No ammount of hearsay would suffice.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
if u r run by UFO, and thousands upon thousand testified, i have to take that assumption while i experience it. U talk about empirical proof but u don't understand how it works in science, i am in the scientific field, the system of proof has by definition to submit an unprovable pressumption within the set in order to establish the proof. See Godel's incompleteness theoreme
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
PS: I know ppl who say they've had "supernatural" experiences, but they don't attribute those experiences to anything, because unlike you they know that even IF true it's way beyond anyone's understanding (especially theirs).
I do love the irony of you calling someone arrogant for having an intellectually honest skeptic mindset, while you are infact being arrogant (as I explained).
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
discarding or discounting countless accounts of a certain phnomena isn't the practice of a rational man. If u ought to investigate the truth elements in that which makes ppl complain u have to investigate, we are all human beings who populate this earth. If u discount that u may as well discount new epidemic of some new disease if ppl complain from it. Science does not and could not explain the supernatural which cannot be dismissed, until then i can't take atheists seriously
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Seymour13
i'm not the one who's arrogant to claim i have the response, if u are arrogant enough to say there is no GOD while belitteling others, i have nothing but to look close at that which supports ur position, but ur position isn't supported, it is an emenating leap as much as is the other side, except that u r happy to appeal to others, i'm not. I am not the one who say anything, all i say i don't know, yet the supernatural exists
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
"all i say i don't know, yet the supernatural exists"
You actually take it quite a step further than that by pretending to know that they are infact spirits and demons: "how u explain spirits/demons, i have seen and witnessed".
"Read appropriately"
Same to you, read what you write before you post it.
"ur position isn't supported" & "if u are arrogant enough to say there is no GOD while belitteling others"
Actually, no.
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Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
Like i said, i report my experience, if u choose to discount it, good ur business, but when u velify or discount it on the merit that it lacks evidence even in light of conforming and numerous accounts of thousands of others, then u r not in a position to put value to their reports because we already at this point have an event taking place, if u want to investigate it welcome, but it is submitted a priori supernatural. Got that ?
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Seymour13
i gave u an example of epidemics. The solution to the problem is not available, but the accoutns are available
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
"Got that"
Errr, it would help if you worked on your sentence structure, you're not exactly easy to follow, which is why I doubted you were in the scientific field as I'd expect a bit more care from you concerning your posts.
"an event taking place"
Could you be more unclear?
"even in light of conforming and numerous accounts"
Which mean nothing absent actual evidence.
"i gave u an example of epidemics"
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Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
With 490 character i would not expect one to follow well a response that falls beyond the average reader. Please stop making excuses, either inquire, question, or refute. thank u
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
(cont)
An irrelevant example as an epidemic can be tested on the empirical scale, even if curing it takes time there is actual physical indication of the epidemic.
"u claim the knowledge in non-existence"
Wth are you talking about?
I guess this is where I stop and just write you off as a waste of time.
Either you can't read/write properly, or you lack the motivation to do so (and that's not even the first time in this short conversation).
In either case I'm clearly wasting my time.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
the epidemic example, is pertinent example but u merely assert that it is irrelevant without pointing out the relevency criteria on which it is not applicable to said topic. u said "Wth are you talking about?" i said u claimed the knowledge that God does not exist "non-existence that is",without having support of such position, it remains unverifiable unfounded but merely a preferred position nothing more. I write periodically when possible, so my writing isn't justifiably bad, thk u
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
"i said u claimed the knowledge that God does not exist"
Ah, was afraid of that, and I did no such thing btw.
I claimed that the god concept is both unverifiable and unfalsifiable and as such there is no reason to believe any god exists, there's a world of difference between that and actually stating "there is no god", not to mention stating it with a 100% certainty.
"a response that falls beyond the average reader"
(cont.)
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
this is exactly the fallacy the atheists escape from, i think, they retreat to the point of that there is no reason to believe, but they refuse to acknowledge the unlikelihood that there is no reason not consider that a cause exists. Not necessarily a god. The position of saying there is no god is not the same as i don't know i prefer not to believe, u'r simply agnostic then. So there is no reason to consider ur position since it is unverifiable "e.g. M-theory, pocket universes"
Sam10947 1 month ago
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nhbiker1961 1 month ago
@nhbiker1961
read again what i wrote...
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947 Sorry, the post was meant for @Seymour13
nhbiker1961 1 month ago
@nhbiker1961
It's oright, nhbiker...haveguday
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
(cont.)
It doesn't actually, it's just hard to follow sometimes due to missing words and/or spelling errors, they aren't frequent but they occur at important parts.
Ironic though since you've just demonstrated an inability to read a very clear post and took it as me claiming knowledge that god does not exist, in addition to the aforementioned problem with some parts of your previous posts.
That doesn't really but you beyond the 'average reader', my friend ;).
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Sam10947
Oh well, agree to disagree.
Anyway, happy new year as it's 0:23AM here atm.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
Happy year to u as well...
Sam10947 1 month ago
@Sam10947
(cont.)
I say there's no reason to assume that one does exist, I don't claim certainty.
But the god concept IS unverifiable and unfalsifiable by definition.
And seeing as you can't distinguish between the unobservable and the non-existent, there is no reason for believing a god does exist, no more than the invisible and untouchable were-tiger under my bed.
"I am in the scientific field"
I find that doubtful, but it's irrelevant either way.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13
"I find that doubtful, but it's irrelevant either way", this response stems solely from emotion rather than submitting until verification, which suggests the tendency of ur argment to be rather in it for discrediting rather than true inquiry. I distinguish well the observable and the non-existent, this very statement contradicts what u said here "I don't claim certainty", u claim the knwoledge in non-existence yet u retreat to "i don't know". ur answer is there
Sam10947 1 month ago
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@Sam10947
quick correction: i meant to write "I distinguish well the un-observable and the non-existent"
Sam10947 1 month ago
u r retarded ? who the fuck u think urself..go back to the kitchen
Sam10947 1 month ago
it's funny that how ppl who r atheists think that they claim the intellectual torch.
Sam10947 1 month ago
Perhaps you or anyone who visits hell be a reporter & report back in an earthly created news paper called News from Hell. You could report back your success in changing hell and all the gossip down there and all the messages that people in hell want to give to their loved ones on earth. I would guess that all messages will be something like Arrrrhhhhh!!! Don't come here. Arrrhhh!!! Help me Pray for me please. Any way good luck on making hell a hell of a place But I doubt this will happen. Sorry
ZeusHelios 2 months ago
i think you just like the sound of your own voice and youll be satans toy later with tears in your eyes youll beg for God to save you
noctemaeternus0 2 months ago
@noctemaeternus0 You sound like you relish the thought of billions roasting screaming for eternity.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
moopism 1 month ago
@noctemaeternus0 Oh, I forgot:
JEALOUS BITCH!
moopism 1 month ago
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@noctemaeternus0
"youll be satans toy later with tears in your eyes youll beg for God to save you"
You disgust me...
As moopism said, what the FUCK is wrong with you?
Seymour13 1 month ago
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The Arabs have a story that they like to tell
A traveller travelling in the desert he comes upon oases and in the oases there is a perfect palace now there no building materials around and he finds another old man and he
rahman102 2 months ago
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ask him where did this palace come from and the old man said oh subhannallah glory to be our Creator you would not believe where it come from. First the wind blew so hard it shaped the rocks into perfect cubes with square edges and it tumbled the rocks over the deserts until they all fell together in the shape of this palace in perfect assortment and then the wind blew the dust with some hairs and fibres from the trees into the cracks and brought the rain and that made the cement that cemented
rahman102 2 months ago
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it altogether and then lightning strikes blasted the sand to sheets of glass and blew the sheets of glass into the windows and then the elements took woods from far corners of the earth and shaped it with the wind and different force of the element into furniture and into window trimming, doors and tornados and hurricanes carried here dropped the doors into door places dropped the windows in and made the window frames tumbled the furniture’s into the rooms. These strong winds took the fire
rahman102 2 months ago
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birds outta backs of our sheep wove them together into tapestries and carpets and clotted the floors with it and all of this happened just in this one place on the earth to make this perfect palace.
you know when we begin thinking about it we can’t help but roll our eyes and realise c’mon this guy is crazy this is impossible and yet we are told to believe is that BIG BANG and NATURAL SELECTION through two most climatic events in history of creation accomplished something even greater than this.
rahman102 2 months ago
Funny vid. But if there is a hell as described by some Christians the hell will you be able to change it in any way. And the hell will you be able to sing, laugh, dance. speak or communicate or have any good time with anyone down there. Unless of cause you create your own hell. As its been said that hell could be just a state of mind. Besides have you told the devil that your gonna change his abode. Maybe he likes it the way it is. Probably many people have had same idea.
ZeusHelios 2 months ago
I always imagined jaweh being really short and like mr.magoo but much more clueless.
Relativisticism 2 months ago 2
Agree with you.I was talking about very similar approach to hell.Making a big changes in there.I call it-HELLvolution:)
phillozoph50 2 months ago
I am sooooo going to hell with you
IzzySpeaks 2 months ago
Jesus is bread , I could be more articulate , but long story short they are worshiping bread/wheat.
TheIAMINU 2 months ago
My favorite quote: "The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?" - Dan Barker
subdid23 2 months ago
I love this channel.
You Heather, are awesome.
msginca 2 months ago
I like your vids, but I have a problem with your handle. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you are "completely lovely". I'd bet dollars to donuts that your lower intestines are icky -- just like everyone else's. If you want me to believe your lower intestines are lovely, I need photographic evidence.
nelsonaddison 2 months ago
@nelsonaddison Completely lovely is just something I tend to say about things. I wish I hadn't made it my name! However, I am the sort of person who finds anatomical dissections beautiful, so it's possible someone out there might describe my intestines as lovely.
CompletelyLovely 2 months ago 5
@CompletelyLovely "Completely lovely is just something I tend to say about things. I wish I hadn't made it my name!"
Mmmh For some reason I don't believe you... Well, whatever :D
Knr911 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely
I for one think it's a great name for you.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely You are CompletelyLovely intestines and all.
zabukazar 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Not to interfere at all with your conversation, but I just saw this comment on the YouTube-stream and I would just like to get a chance to say this:
I don't know you at all, just a few things you have explained you are into "atheism". Well, that's just one thing. I would not describe you as something lovely or anything like that. I would say that you are interesting and I like the way you rationalize. You are completely lovely too in your videos, but I don't know you. :-)
MrMetallidude 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely I don't know about your intestines, but I do know that you make my liver quiver :o)
recalcitrist1 2 months ago
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@CompletelyLovely (1) Look into the secret societies that these same politicians calling for a New World Order are apart of. They are Luciferian occultists with an agenda to abolish all spiritual and religious aspects of society to then usher in the anti-Christ who will rule over mankind through a tyrannical Luciferian one-world government. (This is their demonic religious belief and agenda.)
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
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@CompletelyLovely (2) But first, they have to construct a global secular society. Look at the back of a 1-dollar bill. They hide their symbolism in plain view. You see the Illuminati pyramid with the Freemasonic all-seeing eye at the top (aka the "eye of Lucifer"). Underneath, it reads "novus ordo seclorum," which is latin for a "new secular order." Above the eye, it reads "annuit coeptis" which means "he favors our undertaking." ... "He" being Lucifer.
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
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@CompletelyLovely (3) Please, I urge you to look into the nefarious Luciferian religious beliefs of the politicians & elites currently running our world. Watch two YouTube documentaries called "The Arrivals" & "Lucifer god of the Illuminati." They will explain it to you much better than I can. Also, do a search for the New World Order & one-world government.
Watch our politicians call for a "new world order" at:
h t t p : / / 911truthseeker . webs . com / thenewworldorder . htm
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
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@CompletelyLovely "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless they will take a Luciferian initiation."
-David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
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@CompletelyLovely "Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviors and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet, and the only God."
--H.P. Blavatsky, highly-respected Illuminati occultist and author of "The Secret Doctrine"
Yrhp8268 1 month ago
I hate to say this but you may want to err on the side of caution. Would you stick your hand in a vipers nest simply because you cant see any snakes? There is a common sense approch to God that I think alot of people fail to see. I'd rather the big guy have my back then not. And at what price? Treating people as I want to be treated? I used to be like you, say the same things as you are. Hopefully you don't have to go through all the things I did to learn what it's all about.
Archades6969 2 months ago
@Archades6969 By your logic, why should we not follow every single religion. They're all equally plausible. Why only have one big guy having you back when you can have thousands?
phpeni 2 months ago
@Archades6969 You`re trying Pascal`s wager, don`t you? Being faithful just in case a god might exist and I end up with a poker up my arse for all eternity? Don`t you think that a good who falls for that is, wether he exists or not, just to dump to believe in?
Borstian 2 months ago
agreed, religions is a damn lie. they teach little truth. the morals are good, but you don't need religion to live a good life. people need to wake the hell up, meditate, love all. pursue what you enjoy. this world is so cruel and messed up. cant wait till the new age. remember to live positive, and LOVE ALL. dont let ego get the best of you!
pieman6313 2 months ago
My god, shes annoying.
atheistrocker100 2 months ago
yeh u will make demons feel good. u probly will suck there cock all day
hdxgnome 2 months ago
@hdxgnome
You wish you little devil you.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
is up to you.
jess3336677 2 months ago
are many opportunities to go to church and read the bible but you all push it aside without even giving it a shot, think about it how would we all get here if there wasnt an almighty God we didnt appear from goop or a big blast in the atmosphere its not by chance we are too complex. Scientists to this day cannot replicate what the human eye can do, so how could we have been created by chance then? Yeah we couldnt have been, there is a God whether you chose to stop whining and open your eyes
jess3336677 2 months ago
all of you people talking about how God is stupid and Christianity is stupid because if God really did exist he wouldnt send people to hell for not doing anything wrong. Honestly people all he wants is for you to believe and love him THATS IT well there is a bit more to that but in simple terms yes thats all there is too it. And you all complain how he is going to throw you into hell, well all of you here have had the chance to hear the word and you chose to ignore it, so it is your fault there
jess3336677 2 months ago
@jess3336677 LOL, you do realize that many religions are controlled right? they are so far from the truth. christianity is a joke. all religions do teach good morals. but you don't need religion to live a good life. and hell may be a state of mind or being as opposed to a place.
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jess3336677 2 months ago
I believe hell is the absence of good. The absence of light. I believe you are alone in hell. That is the punishment. Being cut off from everything good. Still, I very much doubt that good people go to hell. If they do, what kind of God are we talking about? Adolf Hitler? I have recently lost my christian faith. Have been reading up on satanism which I find interesting and not so hypocritical. I still believe that God exists, just not in the way depicted by man- We are too limited to know God
jmisic 2 months ago
"Go to heaven for the climate, hell for the company" Mark Twain
fantasticshokh 2 months ago
Hi, my house´s name is Hell. =)
claudioateu 2 months ago
i will bake a pie in hell, without an oven
valsotto27 2 months ago
Chevy Chase WOULD make a good God character in a movie? Don't have to wait. Go rent "Hot Tub Time Machine." Chase is funny, and so is the movie. YES, the movie is stupid as it sounds, but funny.
csaver 2 months ago
SooooooOOOOOOooooo FUNNY!!!!
Well Done ;)
BernakinSkywalker 2 months ago
Hell is the party zone.
Thoughtland 2 months ago
if I go to hell, I will make a huge party for everyone. get drunk and pick up some girls. I would Improvise, Adapt and Overcome
Paralyzer 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely
haha great plan! Go to hell, please! ; )
aNdYmAtTeR 2 months ago
I love you... You're so much the antithesis of the "angry atheist" stereotype... Wow you're going to make hell a living (o_O?) paradise... Can't wait to see you there and throw a BBQ!
Knr911 2 months ago
Hell is warm, cozy and the smell of fresh fish is everywhere...
realpqleur 2 months ago
Okay what the hell decides who is ignorant? What because people choose to follow a religion you just automatically have the right to label them ignorant.
penguinsarebeast33 2 months ago
@penguinsarebeast33 Well, yeah. Of course I have that right. It's called free speech, and is kind of a big deal. As for my justification, which is probably what you were actually trying to ask, I typically view anyone who ignores blatant evidence and instead builds their beliefs on magic and mythology as ignorant. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, of course, and there are certainly varying levels of ignorance among both the religious and non-religion.
CompletelyLovely 2 months ago
@CompletelyLovely And yet this "proof" you seemingly rely on is also very unreliable. Where. Did. The. Ball. Of. Mass and Energy. Come. From?
I've asked the same question over 2000 times and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has ever answered it.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage Well yeah, you're not going to get a lot of laymen able to communicate complex concepts like that. Check out Lawrence Krauss' talk called "a Universe from Nothing." That should answer a lot of your questions. Watching talks by top scientists who are also good communicators (Neil deGrasse Tyson is also a favourite) is a great way to learn all the amazing things we actually know about the universe.
CompletelyLovely 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage Where did God come from?
DjetGlea 2 months ago
@DjetGlea He's God. When you die and you get to see him upon Judgement Day, just ask him. With us as humans, the idea of where God came from is too damn complex. He's just God. He's always been there.
But, like I said, you'll eventually have a chance to ask him yourself.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
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@TehGamersGarage Give me a break... It is scary to think people like you will, or do, have kids.
Instead of asking hard questions, like "What evidence is there for god, and even if there is one, where did god even come from?' No, instead you say, and I quote, " With us humans, the idea of where god came from is just too damn complicated."
Way to completely suppress critical thinking and support a position from ignorance (ie "if I don't know better, it must be this.")
RainCityBlues 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage
RE: Where did the ball of mass and energy come from?
Frankly we do not know where it came from. How does this invalidate the theory?
The multiverse theory would explain it. Better understanding of other dimensions, time, space and matter might also shed light on it. Perhaps matter and energy are inevitable constructs as a result of the universe expanding.
But does the fact that we don't yet know mean that we should insert gods of the gaps of our knowledge? And if so why?
itsjustameme 2 months ago
@itsjustameme It invalidates it by the fact that something can't come from NOTHING. And, until then, that invalidates the rest of the theory with the simple fact that, well, it never existed because it was impossible to have existed.
Also, I think you might want to know, the knowledge that God existed with the first human being, Adam.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage
That same logic could just as well be aimed at any theistic explanation. Show me what methods a creator uses to create things ex-nihilo in violation of that law and replicate it under laboratory conditions.
I mean that is what you are asking of me right? It should work both ways I should think.
We have only had some 50 years of scientific research into the topic and we are already closer to understanding the universe than after 2000 years of theistic inquiry.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
@itsjustameme He's GOD. As in, he's a god. He's THE god. And God can do anything. He can look at your shoes and make them less ugly, he can make your friend's drinking problem disappear without giving it even the slightest thought. That's how Earth was created, by simply making it appear.
So, no, it unfortunately does not work both ways. Science is meant to be physical proof, of which we still have none of before the Bang.
So, again, no, you're still no closer, unfortunately.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage
Weeee - defining yourself out of the problem does not remove the burden of proof from you if you claim that there is a god. You say "he" is "the" God. Yet you have given me no reason to suppose that "he" is any more real than the devil, pixies, withes, the soul, the smurfs, or any of the other myths that religious people want us to believe exist.
Why do you think that you do not have to prove your claims when you demand proof to absurd degrees from me for scientific facts.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
@itsjustameme Aside from the fact that science DEMANDS physical proof and a religious FAITH (notice the emphasis on FAITH, meaning, we have FAITH that he's real). Also, find me loopholes in the Bible on the creation of Earth. There aren't any.
As opposed to the Big Bang...
The proof of God is the Earth that you call home, yet you can't find enough evidence to back up your BELIEF (or lack thereof).
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage hey bro.
penguinsarebeast33 2 months ago
@penguinsarebeast33 Wazzap.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage so I gotta say what is this little debate you have, it fascinates me. Who is pro or con?
penguinsarebeast33 2 months ago
@penguinsarebeast33 Pro or con in terms of what?
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago
@TehGamersGarage like against or for God.
penguinsarebeast33 2 months ago
@penguinsarebeast33 I'm for God.
I have yet to find an explanation of where a miniscule ball of mass and energy that would give birth to an ever-expanding universe comes from. And I have yet to find and explanation of how a friggin' EXPLOSION creates a universe so neat and tidy.
TehGamersGarage 2 months ago