I like your style. A lot of people do not like to play by the rules if they end up on the losing side. Your contentment to one day victorious through the proper channels shows a personality trait that not many posses, honor.
nice to see someone who can view both sides of an argument while still maintaining his own personal belief.. I agree that our judicial system is far from actually being justifyable.. what's the alternative? I'm also torn on this issue but for simpler reasons.. For - why house, feed, etc someone for 70 years till he dies, that costs big $.. on the other hand how do we punish someone for murdering, by murdering? way to teach a lesson! "it's not ok to kill" says the gov.
Your pro sounded like a fucking copout designed simply to get more views on this video and satisfy pro-death penalty folks who might watch, to make yourself "sound fair and balanced."
@whoo689 Balance doesn't generate views. I have some mixed feelings but I don't try to be equally weighted. In fact I'm very opposed to the common conflation of being centrist and being right. Thanks for watching my old videos though!
sure the death penalty dosent bring the person back. but if you look at it like that then locking them away is just as ineffective, except for if you kill them they will not have a CHANCE to be a danger to society ever again. but if we lock them up, they can get probation or escape or ect and then get out and start right back up what they where doing before. plus if we keep them alive your tax dollars are paying for someone who deserves to die, to live.
I think this video flags up some contradictions with regards your previous arguments on Iran and abortion. If capital punishment is not a human rights issue then I don't know what is. You stated in your Iran video that human rights must take precedent over democracy. You also state in your abortion video that it is right to impose human and civil rights legislation on those that oppose it. Isn't your defence of capital punishment on grounds of democratic choice therefore flawed?
i think i have fallin in love LOL...the death penalty is an easy issue to see both sides of.. i do think that the government is completely contradictory in allowing the government to kill people as a consequence of killing people...
Death sentences, like life in prison, don't solve anything. No good comes of it. We just feed the fear, anger and faux righteousness that drive the problem. We should work towards improving lives. There must be a better way.
also, with our flawed judicial system it is easily possible to kill an innocent man. this has happened many times. while it may provide some kind of primal comfort to the family/public to think that the killer has been put to death, it inevitably solves nothing. it actually costs more money to put someone to death than to keep them a lifetime in prison ridiculously enough. that's why i'm against the death penalty
people put into life imprisonment should be killed for one reason. the person has no incentive to behave in prison without any hope of parole or even work release. this logically leads to very little inhibitions or worries about the consequences of in-jail behavior. the prisoner could easily kill other inmates, guards, etc. however, there are other cases to be made for the prisoner. without a doubt the public style killing with viewing booths are ridiculous and are a call back to greek days.
I believe there should be a death penalty. While true that it doesn't fix or undo the crime in any way, it DOES prevent future murder better than life in prison. Murders/killings happen in prisons all of the time, granted, between inmates typically. On another note, it is, in most cases at least, more satisfying for the deceased's family, to know that the killer is dead. As, if I were in the area of a murder of my loved one, I would seek that satisfaction myself.
@chilledkirby However, i think it should really be beyond any reasonable doubt, if one is to receive the death penalty, not just what most people would perceive as "beyond reasonable doubt"
Excellent vid Joe. At least in the US when somebody receives a life sentence or one of those 325 year consecutive sentences, they are gone from society for life. Here (In Canada) a life sentence is 25 years, and on some occasions can be out in 8 to 12. I'm against the death penalty btw.
Hey brother. They seem like pretty different situations, having just skimmed them. Assisted suicide for painful terminal illnesses should be legal, and that mother is free. It looks like the other one decided to unilaterally kill her son because she thought he would have wanted it. That strikes me as pretty bloody ridiculous.
You said you want to win the argument fair and square, not by fiat. what do you mean?. like you dont want judges ruling unconstitutionally and overiding the will of the majority?. I'm a death penalty supporter and live in New York, where the majority still support the death penalty. unfortunately some state judge ruled it unconstitutional. and that just boiled my blood!!. As much as i disagree with you, i think if you guys want to overturn the status quo, you should do it democratically.
keeping people in jail for years instead of using the death penalty also doesn't really solve anything ether. The only differance is that killing someone uses a lot less tax dollars than keeping them alive.
and so they'd rather let the person keep killing others than to get killed thmselves. For instance, I heard that the unibomber's brother was reluctant to turn him in because he was afraid he'd get the death sentence. I'm sure that happens all the time, and wouldn't it be better to be able to get more murderers off the streets and in prison, then to kill a few of them while helping others go free?
Or did you mean that the threat of the death penalty will not disuade people from commiting murder? It may disuade a few. Personally, I am opposed to the death penalty, but not because I do not think they deserve it. I oppose it because I believe it actually helps many murderers stay free on the streets. Some people may know their relative or friend is a murderer but will not turn them in because they are afraid they will get the death sentence,
If they are given life in prison, they could escape & kill more people, or some idiot judge or politician may release them to make more room in the prisons for pot users.
Or are you just such an ultraliberal bleeding heart wingnut that you will say anything to keep criminals from getting the punishment they derserve, and just hope no one notices the absurdity of your statement?
One innocent killed by state makes death penalty a scam2make victims families feel better,justice should be blind, .If never killed an innocent person by accident Maybe see the justice murder by state,legal system2 imperfect2 be the judge of life&death,& most lifers spend a lifetime on death row Before they are excuted by state,appeals raise price tag life incarceration bad enuff4 most& real sicko's maybe should be studied2 find how to fix or at least2 locate crazyiest4 future2 stop insanity.
We don't need the death penalty, just get yourself a concealed handgun, and when the would-be murderer tries to make you a victim, you turn the tables on him and send him to hell personally. Leave the state and taxpayers out.
The death penalty. We all know we have a broken system & I really don't know where I stand on that issue. I don't believe someone should be killed 2b taught a lesson or to appease victims. That's a definite. As for Roscoe's, all for it. They have darn good waffles AND grits. Just good food period. As for medical mary; I have strong negative feelings about all drugs so I just won't go there. I'm no angel, I've done my share (or more)of messing up but I'm an adult & know a lot more than I care to.
In short, if prisons were designed with a business model, I think the issue of the death penalty would resolve itself. There would be no reason to kill off free labor that could even be outsourced to other countries.
However, there is also the matter of sustainability. There is no way we can continue to house inmates who, in many cases, have no interest in returning to civilian life. That is not to say that they need to be killed. Rather, we need to rethink the idea of our prison system, which is suppose to rehabilitate criminals into functional members of society. Or at least provide a self-sustaining system in which prisons are not black holes we through money into and get nothing from in return.
I totally agree that the death penalty should never be used as a gesture. Its meaningless, and barbaric and cruel, and only serves to intimidate those who are planning on murdering someone anyway; which, honestly if they're at the point where they are planning on murder, I doubt anything is going to change their mind. The death penalty only works on people who are afraid of the justice system as is, and therefore are not likely to commit murder or any other crime.
I love Roscoe's ... you would never think Chicken and Waffles would go well together but they are the perfect combo. As for the Death Penalty ... I think it gives closure to the victims family that justice was served ... even if that is not true in principal it is true in there minds.
Obviously Death applied in the wrong circumstance is too final but if there is no possibility of being incorrect then it must save the country millions of (insert applicable currency here) as opposed to sustaining the offender in a prison just to keep him/her from harming another person or further people. Though saying that it could be applied then to repeat offenders who don't get rehabilitated by the prison system not just applied to the severity of the crime.
1) There will never be this idealistic system you mention where we can no absolutely sure of the truth.
2) Murders have always and will always happen in all countries.
3) Even if we never use it, we need to keep that on the books so that an "actual" killer may take a plea bargain and admit to the crimes. This is better than expensive trials or not producing enough evidence to convict.
They just killed somebody in Tennessee a week or two ago.
I am opposed to the dealth penalty. For one, two wrongs dont make a right. One person killed another, so you kill them but the victim is still dead.Dp doesnt bring them back.
and like he said above, the system is extremely flawed & innocent ppl are sent to prison on a regular basis, & some killed by the death penalty. It's an innocent human life lost that we cant bring back. it's easy to sweep under the rug if it's not your family.
i really dont care about the death penalty...but i sometimes disagree w/ it cuz it would b best for someone to rot in a cell for a good punishment nd once in a while innocnt peeps r killd, nd trials could still b conductd if new info is found...but if ur fukin chales manson, kill the bitch, nd if ur a terrorist we should stick dirty pins in ur skin, chop ur dick off and lite u on fire while ur hung.....once burnd enuff, let u down lock u ina cell and fill it w/ raw sewage to ur face
ok joe, i just wrote you a private message about your family so please dont consider that as far as this video goes. BUT with the death penalty/roscoe's chicken & waffles arguement, I think that there is far more to be said. The death penalty is a definite consequence for the people in our society who don't "play by the rules" (not that I think all the rules should be played by) but i DO think that societal order should be maintained. I agree that under a democracy the death penalty is positive.
Why I am for it: Murderers need to know the price for killing is death. Plain and simple. It doesn't bring back the victim, but it does offer the remaining level of justice available to the victim and their loved ones.
Why I am against it: Who is in charge of the death penalty? Who makes the decisions? The government, right? We all know how incompetent the govt is, so I do not believe that govt, at the very least on the federal level, should have any say putting to death the accused.
Hey Joe, I do agree with your disagree but I think your over looking the economical stand point. It cost on average $55.09 a day per inmate. Someone sent to life in prison costs alot of money. Although we don't put alot of people to death anyway and the few we do not for the right reasons, the fact is that we need to. Hope your Dad's recovering goes well and good luck with your Mom .-Spade aka Zach
@MissMoxie78, :-P LOL... I didn't mean kids shouldn't get special treatment is how they are treated by the system. I meant that if someone murders a kid, and someone murders an adult the punishment shouldn't be greater for the kid, just because he's a kid. Someone loves that adult just as much as someone else loved that kid. :-P
If you want to punish the murdurer, then death penalty is not a brutal way at all. Every day, people commits suicide because of minor things: Loosing their jobs, feeling unsuccessfull or just because Michael Jackson died.
I think that the daeath penalty is ok because the person accused can't do the crime anymoreand the knolege of the death penalty would make people too scared to kill
Really not swayed by the whole bit about how we now know, due to DNA, we have executed likely innocent people. Sure, its a big oops bomb. But if anything it should give us even more confidence about who we execute in the future.
That being said I am not really sold on the necessity of a death penalty. Seems like in earlier societies it was an imperative, but now killing them isn't much less of a social drain than locking them up for 80 years. I vote for slave labor force and genetic experiments
That being said, I think we have to combine making being in prison suck more, and increasing efforts on social rehabilitation for the ones someday being released.
@usnationalist, I have to disagree. It would be more than an "oops bomb," if you were the innocent person getting executed. Also, we find that DNA evidence is not always accessible. And even when it is, it is still at the mercy of human error and bias. There are courts that refuse to rehear cases that would prove the innocence of man scheduled to be executed. However, I do agree with your desire to increase efforts on rehabilitation. But how do we rehabilitate 20/30/40 years of idiocy?
Good arguments - should have much tighter systems so that the right people get this conviction. UK does not have a death penalty. I think it would b a different place if it did. If there was no death penalty - I would at least like to see a lifetime of manual labour for that prisoner. In the UK being in prison is not hard @ all - they have access to modern cons(including tv's and video games). Causing ppl 2 re-offend so they have a kushy lifestyle they cld not have outside of jail.
@MissKriekentaaart, LOL!! I couldn't believe it either. It was nothing at all what I expected. Also, the amount of syrup and hot sauce was a little gross. :-/ Sorry, Joe.
Your breakfast definitely makes you more three-dimensional :-)
the only way, i believe, the death penalty should be applied to wouldn't be swayed by race but murder in general. All murder should carry a possible death sentence, in my own opinion. Also instead of having just a jury go and decide on it in their own opinion on feeling on who did it, there should be certain rules that need to be put and implied. For instance there should be absolutely NO doubt that the person did it. how to accomplish this is a hard task, but it is possible.
@redneckn2n well, technically, in order to be found guilty, they are supposed to be found guilty without a shadow of a doubt, and yet they still find several years later that they are innocent
@cherilyndria, didnt explain myself into detail b/c of the space needed but. you can be convicted of murder from just probable cause and situational evidence. Im talking like every bit of forensic evidence must be im place, dna(mandatory) linking the culprit to the victim, probable cause, murder weapon or fingerprints. Where there is absolutely no doubt. Basically to the point to where everybody already knows, this person did kill this person. that should be punished with the death penalty.
why did you not mention disparity between males and females as to how the Death penalty is applied but instead chose highlight the disparity between race (no such thing as race). "Race" does not even come close, to the disparity between male and female, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
The problem of "crime and punishment" requires a radical re-examination of assumptions. Until it is treated in a scientific way, we will make no headway.
People are still too stuck on "religious ways of thinking" - even when they don't identify with any creed or similar institution. Most people's "secularism" is very superficial. They may not believe in "gods", but they still conceive themselves as "souls."
We love hermetic notions of guilt and moral responsibility. SomeONE to blame.
@KosmicCitizen, I agree completely. Americans have an aversion to thinking of themselves as part of the Animal Kingdom. Therefore, they do not accept the extent to which environmental, social, and cultural factors affect our behavior. People think that what we do is a matter of "wanting." ...wanting to be good, or wanting to be successful. And I think, as you suggested that this has to do with our puritanical/religious conception of humanity, regardless of our current theological beliefs.
i five-starred ad lib joe, but i five-star prepared joe as well.. sometimes i favorite prepared joe..so i guess i like that a little more, but you deserve breaks & so ad lib joe is just as welcome! :)
he sounds hungover. i agree with what he's saying, but i don't think he thought it out very well. you need to try this one over Joe. love your videos, keep em up
I love freedom of speech. Looking through the comments in your videos really just allows you to see the different views in people. It allows you to see why your right and why you wrong. You can see how everyone is right, but at the same time they're wrong.
No. That's not a good argument, you normally have good ones. I don't know where I stand on this but the majority choosing to have it is unfair. It's the responsibility of government to protect the minority from the majority. If you apply majority rules to the death penalty then you have to apply it to all civil rights, so, if the majority suddenly decides to kill all the gays your way would work for them. Civil rights should never be subject to popular vote. Bad argument.
What if the choice is between a death sentence and a life sentence and the convict prefers the former? In this case, wouldn't a death sentence be more merciful?
Just one thing I wanted to point out to anybody for the death penalty. I am not attacking you or your morals just pointing out a fact of supporting the death penalty.
To support the death penalty you need to draw the conclusion that it is OK to KILL another human being
I wouldn't go that far, killing anyone is wrong but some people pose an unreasonable threat to society.
I don't see why we should risk serial killers escaping prison or killing inside that prison when we can kill them in a painless and humane manner eliminating they threat they pose to us all.
when applying the death penalty we should look at what motivated the killing and assess how likely this person is to kill, rape or torture again.
someone you know or you went to school with, might go on to try that career , ending up getting that job. once there, he/she might kill an innocent. therefore, the system that made that happen has to go through trial itself. once confronted with the fact, that a californian can get the 3 strike pen. is ridic. and now that prisons are full still no spree is going on a miracle.
@Papervampire Killing is in NO way humane ever. (You forget about the mental torture, fear and stress) Also if you were to use lethal injection on a person and kill them and then use that same procedure with the same dosages to put a dog down you will find that it would be found to be illegal and inhumane. You may call the death penalty the lesser of two evils but I call it murder
People will fear death no matter what. And that stress and terror the fear gives to the inmate will torture them. Hypoxia is suffocation and one of the first instincts when a human is deprived of oxygen is panic. Killing of another human being in anyway regardless of pain or mess is still inhuman.
Killing people who kill people to make the statement that killing people is bad is a paradox I don't agree to.
@PaperVampire Police carry firearms for self defense. It is inhuman to kill someone but police carry firearms to protect them selves and others. I still don't like killing even if a cop kills a suspect but he needed to defend himself or others. The difference between that and the death penalty is that in jail you can lock up a criminal in solitary so he can't kill instead of killing them.
Guns only protect you if you use them preemptively
If they wanted protection then they would wear a bullet proof vest.
Criminals wouldn't risk raising their sentence by shooting a cop if they didn't feel threatened by them.
Police have a licence to kill, most criminals only use a gun to threaten not to kill but when threatened criminals will shoot to defend themselves from the police.
I love how you think isolating a social creature is less cruel then simply killing him.
@PaperVampire Ok look this seems like a good stopping point to this debate. We are both arguing morals and points of view. I believe that killing is never human you believe that killing is ok in some circumstances. Ok I won't disrespect you or your views. And you are right I don't know a lot about prisons expect that some are supposed to rehabilitate and others are supposed to isolate them from society but that is no reason to insult me by calling me ignorant.
Just saying guns don't only protect you if you use them preemptively. All that there has to be is the knowledge that a gun is present to protect you. A gun that is known and accessible or in the hands of the person being attacked will make an attacker think twice in the first place.
comment 2 wearing a bullet proof vest may protect you from a gunshot wound in the chest but not in the head and it won't stop someone breaking in, taking shots at you, or beating you. a gun might. Then again a gun may cause someone who knows you have a gun and would normally only beat the crap out of you to go get a gun themselves but they would have to have a personal grudge against you or you have a lot of money for that. against the normal thief a gun will deter them somewhere else
You might not realize it but you're saying that the death penalty is a good deterent against violent crimes.
Although you do admit that a gun might only escalate the violence to a more deadly level.
It's actually quite hard to shoot someone in the head, aiming for the chest is usually enough (even if wearing a vest) it'll knock you down for a minute.
Obviously it'll stand a better chance of killing you without a vest.
How am i saying the death penalty is a good deterent against violent crimes?? I was just saying if a person was going to rob a person/house/store for money and they had a gun at that place that the thief knew about before hand they would go somewhere else to rob. If a violent crime they'd think twice. I think the death penalty has little to do with whether people murder or not probably because people are only think about the now or think they can get away with it or beat the system.
as in people will think about a gun that may kill them right now then a death penalty that will IF they get caught and IF they are convicted and IF they get the death penalty and THEN after ten years they finally die.
Right there are people in jail right now that are innocent. My best friend's brother was in jail for a crime he didn't commit thank god he got life and not the death penality. Texas is quick to push them through. :(
Why do kids get special treatment? I'm just as important as a kid. LOL!!
In my opinion, the only people who should be killed are people who are truly 'evil.' To me, crimes that have a "reason" or that were triggered by something are not the same thing as crimes committed for pleasure. And that's my breaking point. I can forgive anyone from hard punishment except those people who get joy from their crime.
I support the death penalty IN THEORY. Only because I believe that what should be done with murderers is that they should be locked away and any sort of drain they have on society should be severed. I've heard that the cost of execution is more than that of keeping them in lockup for life, so that's why I support it in THEORY. If we could figure out a way to keep them alive and away from society for pennies on the dollar, than I would probably support that.
I grew up in a 3rd world country where police firing squads would kill you in front of your house for armed robbery if you were caught. I would have welcomed measures like those at the time in London when we had a spate of pointless gang stabbings.
But I realised this was just a knee jerk emotional response. The death penalty is wrong for all the reasons you state. Criminals should pay for their crimes, but in some way that benefits society as a whole. How? I'm not sure as yet!
My main reason in not supporting the death penalty is that if you confess to raping and killing a 5 year old you're less likely to get it than if you don't confess to it. I know enough corrupt people and I've heard enough stories about corruption within the justice system to think that everyone who is on death row right now actually committed the crime they are being accused of.
I am pretty strongly anti-death-penalty because I'm very much opposed to the idea of ending a person's life as punishment or in retribution. I know that we live in a democratic society, but that doesn't mean that everything ought to be left up to majority-rules.
I agree with you on a moratorium until the states can get it right (I'm originally from Illinois and am really proud of Gov. Ryan for instituting one). I think another solution would be to confine the death penalty to federal cases, as federal crimes are usually more serious, and the guilt or innocence of the accused is better known. (John Muhammad, Timothy McVeigh, etc...I have not a qualm about these men being executed)
This is the first video of yours I've seen in which you express an opinion that I don't agree with.
I believe that the "democracy" argument for the death penalty is both intellectually inconsistent with the founding values of our justice system and morally irresponsible. Even with your idea of a foolproof system (which, by the way, is an impossibility for the foreseeable future), the death penalty is a violation of human dignity and a perversion of true justice.
lol joe ur so bad ass.. u beat the cinnamon spoon... i can see how sick the parties u go to are.... ahaha jk. btw u can thank shay for having u on his vlog last month, now about 15 of my friends subscribed to u :)
I agree that the death penalty can be and is misapplied in many situations and that race and gender have alot to do with who ends up getting that particular punishment. I support the death penalty because I don't want my tax $'s supporting a convicted criminal that will continue to be a danger to others. Yes, I'm a Texan, the state that has the highest rate of execution, but don't hold that against me! When I retire, I'm moving to Ca and opening a dispensary. I'm sure Texas will never have any.
I believe the death penalty right, but like you said, we've killed innocent people with it. It needs to be reserved for the people who undoubtedly did the killings. It's not that I think it'll solve anything, but it seems to bring justice to the family of the murdered, and the only thing that the guy is good for is sucking up money as he has his 3 meals a day for the rest of his non existent life.
I don't believe in the death penalty because killing of any human being for what ever reason even as a punishment is wrong. I don't even like that the US has a death penalty because my future tax dollars will go to the killing of other human beings
also I've never agreed with the death penalty for the same reasons, it DOESN'T fix anything, only offers, like you said a GESTURE that's IMO a grown version 'he hit me I'm gonna hit him back'
Now this is another thing I don't agree with. They could just use a rope, a bullet, or a seringe full of bleach. Wouldn't cost that much, and it would save a lot of trouble.
It is more important to give closer to the family than to show mercy to the murderer. The death penalty carries with it a level of finality that a prison sentence could never award.
P.S. I don't think anyone has ever been acquitted postmortem. I could be wrong, please correct w/examples if I am.
I think that a murderer deserves to have his freedom taken from him.
Punishment is the central issue (capital punishment). Some believe that by sentencing a murderer to death, they are condemning him to hell, the greatest punishment, greater than life in prison, and fitting for the greatest crime. For them it isn't a problem to be fixed, it's enacting justice.
I enjoyed watching you ad lib your video Joe. That may be something you want to try again in the future, though I think it was pretty important for you to have your video from yesterday up as well so people could get a fair bit of background on the topic, especially those (in this instance) not from the US who live in countries with no Death Penalty (like myself).
Keep 'em coming Joe. I love your weekend politics.
Why is it rich people never get the death penalty? Please don't tell me rich people don't commit murder because I must see at least 5 TV shows a day about rich husbands or wives killing their spouses for whatever reason, yet they never get the dealth penalty...hmmm.
In October, Billy Johnson begged the jury to put him on death row. The LA Times reported that the state's spending per death-row inmate is almost three times that for other inmates. The current death-row census totals 685, but because of legal issues, only 13 have been executed since 1977 (compared to 71 death-row fatalities from other causes). In fact, Johnson was so eager to be put on death row that he tried to confess to two murders that no one yet knew about. [Los Angeles Times, 11-11-09]
@Walkr If be wanted the death penalty wouldn't that mean he is suicidal which is illegal and if you want to commit suicide then that would mean legally he is insane.
@Feeish no, it doesn't mean he is suicidal at all. He just wants the best treatment in jail, it's actually more dangerous to be with the general prison population as opposed to death-row. "The current death-row census totals 685, but because of legal issues, only 13 have been executed since 1977 (compared to 71 death-row fatalities from other causes)"
hey i subscribed to you after seeing your first death penalty vid earlier today, and i'm glad to say that i equally enjoyed this video. nice insight. can't wait for more vids in the future!
I support the death penalty because if someone gets a prison sentence, they usually don't end up serving the full sentence, and then they can go out and kill more people. But the fact that it could later be found out that they were innocent does deter me somewhat. Maybe if it were guaranteed that murderers actually have to serve life sentences, then I would oppose the death penalty.
This is a prime example of why I love YT ! in just under 5 min. you managed to voice conflicting convictions as to reasoning your beliefs and values, and then tied gun references and drug promotions into a unrelated topic! Joe I'm no hater; just amazed at the human factor. thanks for the giggles!
I have a lot of respect for how you feel about this. Most people do not realize that in a democracy, the majority makes something right. You should always have your own ideas and beliefs, but you must respect the what the majority believes. It is not perfect, but it tries to make as many people happy as possible. I am for the death penalty but I am fully aware that it is flawed just like every other system the government has in place. Oh well. We still live in a great country.
I like your style. A lot of people do not like to play by the rules if they end up on the losing side. Your contentment to one day victorious through the proper channels shows a personality trait that not many posses, honor.
MrChunk84 2 weeks ago
btw.. tabasco and syrup on chicken.. wow lol! u are an amusing eater.. maybe a cooking show is in order? lol
christabella81 3 weeks ago
nice to see someone who can view both sides of an argument while still maintaining his own personal belief.. I agree that our judicial system is far from actually being justifyable.. what's the alternative? I'm also torn on this issue but for simpler reasons.. For - why house, feed, etc someone for 70 years till he dies, that costs big $.. on the other hand how do we punish someone for murdering, by murdering? way to teach a lesson! "it's not ok to kill" says the gov.
christabella81 3 weeks ago
i say kill the bastards,because it cost us money to keep them in jail lol
chambers104 7 months ago
Your pro sounded like a fucking copout designed simply to get more views on this video and satisfy pro-death penalty folks who might watch, to make yourself "sound fair and balanced."
whoo689 11 months ago
@whoo689 Balance doesn't generate views. I have some mixed feelings but I don't try to be equally weighted. In fact I'm very opposed to the common conflation of being centrist and being right. Thanks for watching my old videos though!
JoeFelice 11 months ago
WTF are chicken waffles??? Sounds gross, tbh
whoo689 11 months ago
sure the death penalty dosent bring the person back. but if you look at it like that then locking them away is just as ineffective, except for if you kill them they will not have a CHANCE to be a danger to society ever again. but if we lock them up, they can get probation or escape or ect and then get out and start right back up what they where doing before. plus if we keep them alive your tax dollars are paying for someone who deserves to die, to live.
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Beastajg 1 year ago
I think this video flags up some contradictions with regards your previous arguments on Iran and abortion. If capital punishment is not a human rights issue then I don't know what is. You stated in your Iran video that human rights must take precedent over democracy. You also state in your abortion video that it is right to impose human and civil rights legislation on those that oppose it. Isn't your defence of capital punishment on grounds of democratic choice therefore flawed?
chief294 1 year ago
i think i have fallin in love LOL...the death penalty is an easy issue to see both sides of.. i do think that the government is completely contradictory in allowing the government to kill people as a consequence of killing people...
christabella81 1 year ago
Death sentences, like life in prison, don't solve anything. No good comes of it. We just feed the fear, anger and faux righteousness that drive the problem. We should work towards improving lives. There must be a better way.
kahnicles 1 year ago
also, with our flawed judicial system it is easily possible to kill an innocent man. this has happened many times. while it may provide some kind of primal comfort to the family/public to think that the killer has been put to death, it inevitably solves nothing. it actually costs more money to put someone to death than to keep them a lifetime in prison ridiculously enough. that's why i'm against the death penalty
drummingdude2007 1 year ago
people put into life imprisonment should be killed for one reason. the person has no incentive to behave in prison without any hope of parole or even work release. this logically leads to very little inhibitions or worries about the consequences of in-jail behavior. the prisoner could easily kill other inmates, guards, etc. however, there are other cases to be made for the prisoner. without a doubt the public style killing with viewing booths are ridiculous and are a call back to greek days.
drummingdude2007 1 year ago
I believe there should be a death penalty. While true that it doesn't fix or undo the crime in any way, it DOES prevent future murder better than life in prison. Murders/killings happen in prisons all of the time, granted, between inmates typically. On another note, it is, in most cases at least, more satisfying for the deceased's family, to know that the killer is dead. As, if I were in the area of a murder of my loved one, I would seek that satisfaction myself.
chilledkirby 1 year ago
@chilledkirby However, i think it should really be beyond any reasonable doubt, if one is to receive the death penalty, not just what most people would perceive as "beyond reasonable doubt"
chilledkirby 1 year ago
"it doesn't make anything better" this is one person's opinion
....seeing the rest of your video, I'm so glad you support the Democracy of the situation.
Improving the courts, A good question.
WTF are you eating? This is wrong! : O
Blademaster865 1 year ago
Excellent vid Joe. At least in the US when somebody receives a life sentence or one of those 325 year consecutive sentences, they are gone from society for life. Here (In Canada) a life sentence is 25 years, and on some occasions can be out in 8 to 12. I'm against the death penalty btw.
empacae 1 year ago
Joe, I would be interested to know your view on "mercy killing".
We recently had two cases in the UK where both mothers administered mercy killing on their children. One mother was sentenced to jail, the other not.
Maybe the Ol' wise one could give his insights in a video?
saikoza1 2 years ago
Hey brother. They seem like pretty different situations, having just skimmed them. Assisted suicide for painful terminal illnesses should be legal, and that mother is free. It looks like the other one decided to unilaterally kill her son because she thought he would have wanted it. That strikes me as pretty bloody ridiculous.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
You said you want to win the argument fair and square, not by fiat. what do you mean?. like you dont want judges ruling unconstitutionally and overiding the will of the majority?. I'm a death penalty supporter and live in New York, where the majority still support the death penalty. unfortunately some state judge ruled it unconstitutional. and that just boiled my blood!!. As much as i disagree with you, i think if you guys want to overturn the status quo, you should do it democratically.
vinnyflintoff 1 year ago
keeping people in jail for years instead of using the death penalty also doesn't really solve anything ether. The only differance is that killing someone uses a lot less tax dollars than keeping them alive.
dudeson818 2 years ago
Here is my problem. I'm pro-life, yet I supported the death penalty. Isn't that a contradiction?
I then decided to re-evaluate my desire for the death penalty, and realised that it was spurred by emotion rather than reason.
If I feel strong for the life of a human before birth, shouldn't I convey the same conviction for a human's life after birth?
But I have to concide, it is still a tricky issue, especially when involving emotion into the mixture.
saikoza1 2 years ago
sorry - concede
saikoza1 2 years ago
Part4.
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and so they'd rather let the person keep killing others than to get killed thmselves. For instance, I heard that the unibomber's brother was reluctant to turn him in because he was afraid he'd get the death sentence. I'm sure that happens all the time, and wouldn't it be better to be able to get more murderers off the streets and in prison, then to kill a few of them while helping others go free?
tomaf 2 years ago
Part3.
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Or did you mean that the threat of the death penalty will not disuade people from commiting murder? It may disuade a few. Personally, I am opposed to the death penalty, but not because I do not think they deserve it. I oppose it because I believe it actually helps many murderers stay free on the streets. Some people may know their relative or friend is a murderer but will not turn them in because they are afraid they will get the death sentence,
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tomaf 2 years ago
Part2.
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If they are given life in prison, they could escape & kill more people, or some idiot judge or politician may release them to make more room in the prisons for pot users.
Or are you just such an ultraliberal bleeding heart wingnut that you will say anything to keep criminals from getting the punishment they derserve, and just hope no one notices the absurdity of your statement?
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tomaf 2 years ago
Part1.
You wrote:
It doesn't fix or undo the crime, or prevent the murderer from committing future crimes ANY MORE than life in prison would.
So, after they are dead, they can still commit more crimes??? Please explain.
Is it sort of like zombieland crimes? Do they come back from the dead as zombies & eat people's brains?
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tomaf 2 years ago
very good arguments
jesch25 2 years ago
One innocent killed by state makes death penalty a scam2make victims families feel better,justice should be blind, .If never killed an innocent person by accident Maybe see the justice murder by state,legal system2 imperfect2 be the judge of life&death,& most lifers spend a lifetime on death row Before they are excuted by state,appeals raise price tag life incarceration bad enuff4 most& real sicko's maybe should be studied2 find how to fix or at least2 locate crazyiest4 future2 stop insanity.
mchllecat1234 2 years ago
We don't need the death penalty, just get yourself a concealed handgun, and when the would-be murderer tries to make you a victim, you turn the tables on him and send him to hell personally. Leave the state and taxpayers out.
canisdormit 2 years ago
The death penalty. We all know we have a broken system & I really don't know where I stand on that issue. I don't believe someone should be killed 2b taught a lesson or to appease victims. That's a definite. As for Roscoe's, all for it. They have darn good waffles AND grits. Just good food period. As for medical mary; I have strong negative feelings about all drugs so I just won't go there. I'm no angel, I've done my share (or more)of messing up but I'm an adult & know a lot more than I care to.
Twizzler2301 2 years ago
In short, if prisons were designed with a business model, I think the issue of the death penalty would resolve itself. There would be no reason to kill off free labor that could even be outsourced to other countries.
smittyfromthecity 2 years ago
However, there is also the matter of sustainability. There is no way we can continue to house inmates who, in many cases, have no interest in returning to civilian life. That is not to say that they need to be killed. Rather, we need to rethink the idea of our prison system, which is suppose to rehabilitate criminals into functional members of society. Or at least provide a self-sustaining system in which prisons are not black holes we through money into and get nothing from in return.
smittyfromthecity 2 years ago
I totally agree that the death penalty should never be used as a gesture. Its meaningless, and barbaric and cruel, and only serves to intimidate those who are planning on murdering someone anyway; which, honestly if they're at the point where they are planning on murder, I doubt anything is going to change their mind. The death penalty only works on people who are afraid of the justice system as is, and therefore are not likely to commit murder or any other crime.
smittyfromthecity 2 years ago
shave the upper cheek, it's hella distracting
donald347 2 years ago
I love Roscoe's ... you would never think Chicken and Waffles would go well together but they are the perfect combo. As for the Death Penalty ... I think it gives closure to the victims family that justice was served ... even if that is not true in principal it is true in there minds.
longsview 2 years ago
i am for the death penalty, in several situations... in rape and murder... i believe in eye for an eye.
and pedo's should be slowly tortured to death.
MrHolidayy 2 years ago
I believe in death penalty because of justice. If you commit a heinous crime you give up your right to live.
IsupremeI 2 years ago
chicken and waffles? really?
younglionsx 2 years ago
Obviously Death applied in the wrong circumstance is too final but if there is no possibility of being incorrect then it must save the country millions of (insert applicable currency here) as opposed to sustaining the offender in a prison just to keep him/her from harming another person or further people. Though saying that it could be applied then to repeat offenders who don't get rehabilitated by the prison system not just applied to the severity of the crime.
NonExist3nt 2 years ago
3 things:
1) There will never be this idealistic system you mention where we can no absolutely sure of the truth.
2) Murders have always and will always happen in all countries.
3) Even if we never use it, we need to keep that on the books so that an "actual" killer may take a plea bargain and admit to the crimes. This is better than expensive trials or not producing enough evidence to convict.
godlyfighter 2 years ago
This is the first time I see anyone eating chicken with waffles :D
mylifemyhell 2 years ago
chicken and waffles is a completely foreign dish in Canada... that's so weird, as we are so close.
aveyowyns 2 years ago
i preffer prepared Joe Felice... haha. I like the change of scenery though - a walking video.
zQWASZX 2 years ago
Holy shit that's a ton of syrup.
kkirT 2 years ago
They just killed somebody in Tennessee a week or two ago.
I am opposed to the dealth penalty. For one, two wrongs dont make a right. One person killed another, so you kill them but the victim is still dead.Dp doesnt bring them back.
and like he said above, the system is extremely flawed & innocent ppl are sent to prison on a regular basis, & some killed by the death penalty. It's an innocent human life lost that we cant bring back. it's easy to sweep under the rug if it's not your family.
diah4 2 years ago
totally agree with your position and the conclusions you came to. well done on the cinnamon challenge, mb that should be the next video!
hume12345 2 years ago
What's the cinnamon spoon?
Nmodest06 2 years ago
Mmmmmm... Roscoe's!!! Never been there, but I love the song by Rhett and Link.
tulrich125 2 years ago
i really dont care about the death penalty...but i sometimes disagree w/ it cuz it would b best for someone to rot in a cell for a good punishment nd once in a while innocnt peeps r killd, nd trials could still b conductd if new info is found...but if ur fukin chales manson, kill the bitch, nd if ur a terrorist we should stick dirty pins in ur skin, chop ur dick off and lite u on fire while ur hung.....once burnd enuff, let u down lock u ina cell and fill it w/ raw sewage to ur face
icytea2345 2 years ago
ok joe, i just wrote you a private message about your family so please dont consider that as far as this video goes. BUT with the death penalty/roscoe's chicken & waffles arguement, I think that there is far more to be said. The death penalty is a definite consequence for the people in our society who don't "play by the rules" (not that I think all the rules should be played by) but i DO think that societal order should be maintained. I agree that under a democracy the death penalty is positive.
jhenrymig 2 years ago
Why I am for it: Murderers need to know the price for killing is death. Plain and simple. It doesn't bring back the victim, but it does offer the remaining level of justice available to the victim and their loved ones.
Why I am against it: Who is in charge of the death penalty? Who makes the decisions? The government, right? We all know how incompetent the govt is, so I do not believe that govt, at the very least on the federal level, should have any say putting to death the accused.
MrDeppness 2 years ago
Hey Joe, I do agree with your disagree but I think your over looking the economical stand point. It cost on average $55.09 a day per inmate. Someone sent to life in prison costs alot of money. Although we don't put alot of people to death anyway and the few we do not for the right reasons, the fact is that we need to. Hope your Dad's recovering goes well and good luck with your Mom .-Spade aka Zach
777Spade777 2 years ago
Joe, just saw you do the cinnamon challenge! If anyone could handle it and figure out the science behind it its you!! very impressive!
redstripe29 2 years ago
agreed.
julesx822 2 years ago
@MissMoxie78, :-P LOL... I didn't mean kids shouldn't get special treatment is how they are treated by the system. I meant that if someone murders a kid, and someone murders an adult the punishment shouldn't be greater for the kid, just because he's a kid. Someone loves that adult just as much as someone else loved that kid. :-P
jXevyer 2 years ago
if some1 murders me i want that son of a bitch dead too
AlkaVirus 2 years ago
Fried chicken and waffles?!?! Amazing.
As always, it's interesting to hear your take on things, Joe.
knibbles1882 2 years ago
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wannabekunok 2 years ago
If you want to punish the murdurer, then death penalty is not a brutal way at all. Every day, people commits suicide because of minor things: Loosing their jobs, feeling unsuccessfull or just because Michael Jackson died.
wannabekunok 2 years ago
My point is that it is a much worse penalty to be locked inside for the rest of your life.
I prefer this way:
/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw Watch from 5:30 and on.
Yes I am from Norway.
wannabekunok 2 years ago
I think that the daeath penalty is ok because the person accused can't do the crime anymoreand the knolege of the death penalty would make people too scared to kill
killalllamas 2 years ago
so Joe...how do you feel about labor unions then...
savvysymbiont 2 years ago
Really not swayed by the whole bit about how we now know, due to DNA, we have executed likely innocent people. Sure, its a big oops bomb. But if anything it should give us even more confidence about who we execute in the future.
That being said I am not really sold on the necessity of a death penalty. Seems like in earlier societies it was an imperative, but now killing them isn't much less of a social drain than locking them up for 80 years. I vote for slave labor force and genetic experiments
usnationalist 2 years ago
That being said, I think we have to combine making being in prison suck more, and increasing efforts on social rehabilitation for the ones someday being released.
usnationalist 2 years ago
@usnationalist, I have to disagree. It would be more than an "oops bomb," if you were the innocent person getting executed. Also, we find that DNA evidence is not always accessible. And even when it is, it is still at the mercy of human error and bias. There are courts that refuse to rehear cases that would prove the innocence of man scheduled to be executed. However, I do agree with your desire to increase efforts on rehabilitation. But how do we rehabilitate 20/30/40 years of idiocy?
jXevyer 2 years ago
great job without a script!!!
cherilyndria 2 years ago
Good arguments - should have much tighter systems so that the right people get this conviction. UK does not have a death penalty. I think it would b a different place if it did. If there was no death penalty - I would at least like to see a lifetime of manual labour for that prisoner. In the UK being in prison is not hard @ all - they have access to modern cons(including tv's and video games). Causing ppl 2 re-offend so they have a kushy lifestyle they cld not have outside of jail.
Soranima 2 years ago
I can't believe that's your breakfast... You're gonna be dead by your 40ties.
MissKriekentaart 2 years ago
@MissKriekentaaart, LOL!! I couldn't believe it either. It was nothing at all what I expected. Also, the amount of syrup and hot sauce was a little gross. :-/ Sorry, Joe.
Your breakfast definitely makes you more three-dimensional :-)
jXevyer 2 years ago
the only way, i believe, the death penalty should be applied to wouldn't be swayed by race but murder in general. All murder should carry a possible death sentence, in my own opinion. Also instead of having just a jury go and decide on it in their own opinion on feeling on who did it, there should be certain rules that need to be put and implied. For instance there should be absolutely NO doubt that the person did it. how to accomplish this is a hard task, but it is possible.
redneckn2n 2 years ago
@redneckn2n well, technically, in order to be found guilty, they are supposed to be found guilty without a shadow of a doubt, and yet they still find several years later that they are innocent
cherilyndria 2 years ago
@cherilyndria, didnt explain myself into detail b/c of the space needed but. you can be convicted of murder from just probable cause and situational evidence. Im talking like every bit of forensic evidence must be im place, dna(mandatory) linking the culprit to the victim, probable cause, murder weapon or fingerprints. Where there is absolutely no doubt. Basically to the point to where everybody already knows, this person did kill this person. that should be punished with the death penalty.
redneckn2n 2 years ago
*****five stars for the chicken & waffels ***faved for a follow up that couldnt have broke it down better
realtalksince89 2 years ago
why did you not mention disparity between males and females as to how the Death penalty is applied but instead chose highlight the disparity between race (no such thing as race). "Race" does not even come close, to the disparity between male and female, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
ORVX 2 years ago
The problem of "crime and punishment" requires a radical re-examination of assumptions. Until it is treated in a scientific way, we will make no headway.
People are still too stuck on "religious ways of thinking" - even when they don't identify with any creed or similar institution. Most people's "secularism" is very superficial. They may not believe in "gods", but they still conceive themselves as "souls."
We love hermetic notions of guilt and moral responsibility. SomeONE to blame.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
@KosmicCitizen, I agree completely. Americans have an aversion to thinking of themselves as part of the Animal Kingdom. Therefore, they do not accept the extent to which environmental, social, and cultural factors affect our behavior. People think that what we do is a matter of "wanting." ...wanting to be good, or wanting to be successful. And I think, as you suggested that this has to do with our puritanical/religious conception of humanity, regardless of our current theological beliefs.
jXevyer 2 years ago
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i'm completely for the death penalty
DaisyDookz 2 years ago
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DaisyDookz 2 years ago
i five-starred ad lib joe, but i five-star prepared joe as well.. sometimes i favorite prepared joe..so i guess i like that a little more, but you deserve breaks & so ad lib joe is just as welcome! :)
sisforshayla 2 years ago
you are amazingly smart
flanderlin 2 years ago 2
he sounds hungover. i agree with what he's saying, but i don't think he thought it out very well. you need to try this one over Joe. love your videos, keep em up
jarodbrown3 2 years ago
I love freedom of speech. Looking through the comments in your videos really just allows you to see the different views in people. It allows you to see why your right and why you wrong. You can see how everyone is right, but at the same time they're wrong.
PiddleMettuar 2 years ago
No. That's not a good argument, you normally have good ones. I don't know where I stand on this but the majority choosing to have it is unfair. It's the responsibility of government to protect the minority from the majority. If you apply majority rules to the death penalty then you have to apply it to all civil rights, so, if the majority suddenly decides to kill all the gays your way would work for them. Civil rights should never be subject to popular vote. Bad argument.
bistrosidecar 2 years ago
Oh *that* kinda "pain relief."
What if the choice is between a death sentence and a life sentence and the convict prefers the former? In this case, wouldn't a death sentence be more merciful?
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
You are my personal hero in surviving the infamous cinnamon spoon. That's hard-core. Let's get married.
samstress22 2 years ago
thats the problem with democracy, most people are unsympathetic morons
Velvetrevolver1993 2 years ago
man i wish i lived in California i would hang out with you you the fuckin coolest and the smartest and i agree with like 98% of what you say
ScopeEntertainment 2 years ago
What exactly is a cinnamon spoon?
honkblarg456 2 years ago
Take a spoon, pile it high with cinnamon...eat it.
Supposedly there are very few people who can do it.
ROFLpwnedvideos 2 years ago
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nemarvin 2 years ago
Just one thing I wanted to point out to anybody for the death penalty. I am not attacking you or your morals just pointing out a fact of supporting the death penalty.
To support the death penalty you need to draw the conclusion that it is OK to KILL another human being
feeish 2 years ago
I wouldn't go that far, killing anyone is wrong but some people pose an unreasonable threat to society.
I don't see why we should risk serial killers escaping prison or killing inside that prison when we can kill them in a painless and humane manner eliminating they threat they pose to us all.
when applying the death penalty we should look at what motivated the killing and assess how likely this person is to kill, rape or torture again.
Call it the lesser of two evils.
papervampire 2 years ago
someone you know or you went to school with, might go on to try that career , ending up getting that job. once there, he/she might kill an innocent. therefore, the system that made that happen has to go through trial itself. once confronted with the fact, that a californian can get the 3 strike pen. is ridic. and now that prisons are full still no spree is going on a miracle.
Realizalize 2 years ago
@Papervampire Killing is in NO way humane ever. (You forget about the mental torture, fear and stress) Also if you were to use lethal injection on a person and kill them and then use that same procedure with the same dosages to put a dog down you will find that it would be found to be illegal and inhumane. You may call the death penalty the lesser of two evils but I call it murder
feeish 2 years ago
Granted the USA chooses to make it's means of execution needlessly cruel and painfull and I condem such petty vengence.
It is deplorable and should be considered a human rights violation.
But death by hypoxia is painless and cheap, some say it gives you an euphoric feeling.
The subject just falls asleep and dies, no pain, no mess, no failure.
All it takes is to replace the oxygen in an air tight room with an inert gas.
Death doesn't need to be scary, prisons just want it to be.
papervampire 2 years ago
People will fear death no matter what. And that stress and terror the fear gives to the inmate will torture them. Hypoxia is suffocation and one of the first instincts when a human is deprived of oxygen is panic. Killing of another human being in anyway regardless of pain or mess is still inhuman.
Killing people who kill people to make the statement that killing people is bad is a paradox I don't agree to.
feeish 2 years ago
When replaced by an inert gas over a period of time it is totally painless and stress free science has proven it, I'd die like that given the option.
If it's so inhuman to kill then why do the police carry firearms ?
The only use for a gun is to kill.
The process is as stressfull as it is made to be.
The thing you don't seem to understand is that it's what motivates people to kill that is important rather then that they do so.
papervampire 2 years ago
@PaperVampire Police carry firearms for self defense. It is inhuman to kill someone but police carry firearms to protect them selves and others. I still don't like killing even if a cop kills a suspect but he needed to defend himself or others. The difference between that and the death penalty is that in jail you can lock up a criminal in solitary so he can't kill instead of killing them.
feeish 2 years ago
Guns only protect you if you use them preemptively
If they wanted protection then they would wear a bullet proof vest.
Criminals wouldn't risk raising their sentence by shooting a cop if they didn't feel threatened by them.
Police have a licence to kill, most criminals only use a gun to threaten not to kill but when threatened criminals will shoot to defend themselves from the police.
I love how you think isolating a social creature is less cruel then simply killing him.
papervampire 2 years ago
@PaperVampire Police do wear bullet proof vests also. And yes putting someone in jail where they can't kill is more human then killing them.
feeish 2 years ago
I'm not saying everyone who kills someone should be killed just the people who will kill regardless even if they are in prison.
Serial killers who are just as much a threat to the other inmates as they are to the public should just be killed as humanely as possible.
You seem to be very ignorant about how the prison system works and what kind of responsibilities prisons have towards the inmates.
papervampire 2 years ago
@PaperVampire Ok look this seems like a good stopping point to this debate. We are both arguing morals and points of view. I believe that killing is never human you believe that killing is ok in some circumstances. Ok I won't disrespect you or your views. And you are right I don't know a lot about prisons expect that some are supposed to rehabilitate and others are supposed to isolate them from society but that is no reason to insult me by calling me ignorant.
Sincerely Feeish
feeish 2 years ago
I didn't mean ignorant as an insult just as an observation of a lack of knowledge concerning the prison system thats all.
papervampire 2 years ago
Just saying guns don't only protect you if you use them preemptively. All that there has to be is the knowledge that a gun is present to protect you. A gun that is known and accessible or in the hands of the person being attacked will make an attacker think twice in the first place.
willderphil 2 years ago
The police don't feel the same way.
You pull a gun on a cop and he'll shoot you, so much for being protected by your gun.
papervampire 2 years ago
WELL SAID!!!!!!!
diah4 2 years ago
comment 2 wearing a bullet proof vest may protect you from a gunshot wound in the chest but not in the head and it won't stop someone breaking in, taking shots at you, or beating you. a gun might. Then again a gun may cause someone who knows you have a gun and would normally only beat the crap out of you to go get a gun themselves but they would have to have a personal grudge against you or you have a lot of money for that. against the normal thief a gun will deter them somewhere else
willderphil 2 years ago
You might not realize it but you're saying that the death penalty is a good deterent against violent crimes.
Although you do admit that a gun might only escalate the violence to a more deadly level.
It's actually quite hard to shoot someone in the head, aiming for the chest is usually enough (even if wearing a vest) it'll knock you down for a minute.
Obviously it'll stand a better chance of killing you without a vest.
papervampire 2 years ago
How am i saying the death penalty is a good deterent against violent crimes?? I was just saying if a person was going to rob a person/house/store for money and they had a gun at that place that the thief knew about before hand they would go somewhere else to rob. If a violent crime they'd think twice. I think the death penalty has little to do with whether people murder or not probably because people are only think about the now or think they can get away with it or beat the system.
willderphil 2 years ago
as in people will think about a gun that may kill them right now then a death penalty that will IF they get caught and IF they are convicted and IF they get the death penalty and THEN after ten years they finally die.
willderphil 2 years ago
I guess I equate the threat the gun poses with the threat of the death penalty.
Just because you pull a gun an a hardened violent criminal doesn't mean you'll have a chance to use it or that he'll take the treat seriously.
It's easier to point the gun then it is to pull the trigger.
What makes a gun a credible threat is the person holding it.
Just because the treat is closer doesn't mean it's more credible.
papervampire 2 years ago
moratorium on the death penalty - nice play on words
sm0kingJay 2 years ago
Right there are people in jail right now that are innocent. My best friend's brother was in jail for a crime he didn't commit thank god he got life and not the death penality. Texas is quick to push them through. :(
punkslilncs 2 years ago
Eating chicken and waffles is like the death penalty for your body.
300dollarsperhour 2 years ago 2
So, I have to ask: What is a cinnemon spoon?
rockinmoe45 2 years ago
its a party thing.... basically a massive spoon full of cinnamon spice - its almost impossible to swallow it
sm0kingJay 2 years ago
death only in the very rare cases of kids
Steadno 2 years ago
Why do kids get special treatment? I'm just as important as a kid. LOL!!
In my opinion, the only people who should be killed are people who are truly 'evil.' To me, crimes that have a "reason" or that were triggered by something are not the same thing as crimes committed for pleasure. And that's my breaking point. I can forgive anyone from hard punishment except those people who get joy from their crime.
jXevyer 2 years ago
I support the death penalty IN THEORY. Only because I believe that what should be done with murderers is that they should be locked away and any sort of drain they have on society should be severed. I've heard that the cost of execution is more than that of keeping them in lockup for life, so that's why I support it in THEORY. If we could figure out a way to keep them alive and away from society for pennies on the dollar, than I would probably support that.
MaxBobcat 2 years ago
I grew up in a 3rd world country where police firing squads would kill you in front of your house for armed robbery if you were caught. I would have welcomed measures like those at the time in London when we had a spate of pointless gang stabbings.
But I realised this was just a knee jerk emotional response. The death penalty is wrong for all the reasons you state. Criminals should pay for their crimes, but in some way that benefits society as a whole. How? I'm not sure as yet!
OriMeissa 2 years ago
My main reason in not supporting the death penalty is that if you confess to raping and killing a 5 year old you're less likely to get it than if you don't confess to it. I know enough corrupt people and I've heard enough stories about corruption within the justice system to think that everyone who is on death row right now actually committed the crime they are being accused of.
smellsliketeenangst 2 years ago
I am pretty strongly anti-death-penalty because I'm very much opposed to the idea of ending a person's life as punishment or in retribution. I know that we live in a democratic society, but that doesn't mean that everything ought to be left up to majority-rules.
DudeWheresMyMind 2 years ago
Personally love the energy of the pre-written stuff more, but it's always nice to see your day-to-day life.
jesus05uk 2 years ago
I agree with you on a moratorium until the states can get it right (I'm originally from Illinois and am really proud of Gov. Ryan for instituting one). I think another solution would be to confine the death penalty to federal cases, as federal crimes are usually more serious, and the guilt or innocence of the accused is better known. (John Muhammad, Timothy McVeigh, etc...I have not a qualm about these men being executed)
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
This is the first video of yours I've seen in which you express an opinion that I don't agree with.
I believe that the "democracy" argument for the death penalty is both intellectually inconsistent with the founding values of our justice system and morally irresponsible. Even with your idea of a foolproof system (which, by the way, is an impossibility for the foreseeable future), the death penalty is a violation of human dignity and a perversion of true justice.
miel716 2 years ago
lol joe ur so bad ass.. u beat the cinnamon spoon... i can see how sick the parties u go to are.... ahaha jk. btw u can thank shay for having u on his vlog last month, now about 15 of my friends subscribed to u :)
Alienworkshopjoe 2 years ago
Sigh, every time I see a Black Santa I can only think of Paper Towns.
purplewalrus9 2 years ago
Yeah, I'll never be able to see another Black Santa without thinking of Paper Towns and John Green.
DudeWheresMyMind 2 years ago
I agree that the death penalty can be and is misapplied in many situations and that race and gender have alot to do with who ends up getting that particular punishment. I support the death penalty because I don't want my tax $'s supporting a convicted criminal that will continue to be a danger to others. Yes, I'm a Texan, the state that has the highest rate of execution, but don't hold that against me! When I retire, I'm moving to Ca and opening a dispensary. I'm sure Texas will never have any.
rockinmoe45 2 years ago
If the murderers are in jail, a lawyer looking for $ will get them out eventually? Will they murder again?
Bugstomper2 2 years ago
I believe the death penalty right, but like you said, we've killed innocent people with it. It needs to be reserved for the people who undoubtedly did the killings. It's not that I think it'll solve anything, but it seems to bring justice to the family of the murdered, and the only thing that the guy is good for is sucking up money as he has his 3 meals a day for the rest of his non existent life.
0TheCaveRat0 2 years ago
I don't believe in the death penalty because killing of any human being for what ever reason even as a punishment is wrong. I don't even like that the US has a death penalty because my future tax dollars will go to the killing of other human beings
feeish 2 years ago
its nice to see you in a more natural setting
also the add-libbing seemed to not sound so sterile, but im not trying to say that ur other vlogs are bad.
btw...you need to like phish
you look to much like a stereotypical phan to not like them haha =)
purplepanda11 2 years ago
It does cost money to keep convicted murderers in jail though.
ClarkWuzHeer 2 years ago
Joe, I like both formats. Just keep posting videos!
Jemwhipp 2 years ago
also I've never agreed with the death penalty for the same reasons, it DOESN'T fix anything, only offers, like you said a GESTURE that's IMO a grown version 'he hit me I'm gonna hit him back'
Alphacat 2 years ago
Cot damn THAT chicken and waffle looked great! never been!
Alphacat 2 years ago
I think that death penalty is right, because this way, we don't have to pay to maintain useless, dangerous criminals alive.
BiBy360 2 years ago
@BiBy360 it costs more to kill someone then to put them in jail for life
feeish 2 years ago
Now this is another thing I don't agree with. They could just use a rope, a bullet, or a seringe full of bleach. Wouldn't cost that much, and it would save a lot of trouble.
BiBy360 2 years ago
@BIBy360 It isn't that part that is expensive it is the appeals and legalities.
feeish 2 years ago
Hey joe wat do u think about pot weed marijuana ,call it wat u will. Love the vids!
toastamania 2 years ago
Chicken and Waffles? What?
Spitsonpuppies 2 years ago
often topped with syrup. learn to southern food.
JleeD3 2 years ago
food looks good
danielc365 2 years ago
oh... and i hope you went in and got some pain killers :)
JimmyFatz 2 years ago
It is more important to give closer to the family than to show mercy to the murderer. The death penalty carries with it a level of finality that a prison sentence could never award.
P.S. I don't think anyone has ever been acquitted postmortem. I could be wrong, please correct w/examples if I am.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
BAHAHA. I love the dispensary.
And the chicken/waffle combo.
openbook82 2 years ago
hey joe, make sure to check out this great documentary (if you haven't already)
Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. (1999) (Directed by Errol Morris)
Walkr 2 years ago
I think that a murderer deserves to have his freedom taken from him.
Punishment is the central issue (capital punishment). Some believe that by sentencing a murderer to death, they are condemning him to hell, the greatest punishment, greater than life in prison, and fitting for the greatest crime. For them it isn't a problem to be fixed, it's enacting justice.
JimmyFatz 2 years ago
I enjoyed watching you ad lib your video Joe. That may be something you want to try again in the future, though I think it was pretty important for you to have your video from yesterday up as well so people could get a fair bit of background on the topic, especially those (in this instance) not from the US who live in countries with no Death Penalty (like myself).
Keep 'em coming Joe. I love your weekend politics.
moremegan 2 years ago
3 Cheers for Joe Felice for his excellent adlib vlog today! Joe, you were brilliant in your delivery! Thanks!
Laughing2002 2 years ago
Why is it rich people never get the death penalty? Please don't tell me rich people don't commit murder because I must see at least 5 TV shows a day about rich husbands or wives killing their spouses for whatever reason, yet they never get the dealth penalty...hmmm.
texasjean08 2 years ago
A little Blair-witchy, but still great...lol
07kane 2 years ago
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texasjean08 2 years ago
you've beaten the cinnamon spoon. haha
EYE2EYE3 2 years ago
In October, Billy Johnson begged the jury to put him on death row. The LA Times reported that the state's spending per death-row inmate is almost three times that for other inmates. The current death-row census totals 685, but because of legal issues, only 13 have been executed since 1977 (compared to 71 death-row fatalities from other causes). In fact, Johnson was so eager to be put on death row that he tried to confess to two murders that no one yet knew about. [Los Angeles Times, 11-11-09]
Walkr 2 years ago
What's his motive?
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Bigger cells, better privacy, more stuff, and almost no chance of being executed
Walkr 2 years ago
@Walkr If be wanted the death penalty wouldn't that mean he is suicidal which is illegal and if you want to commit suicide then that would mean legally he is insane.
feeish 2 years ago
@Feeish no, it doesn't mean he is suicidal at all. He just wants the best treatment in jail, it's actually more dangerous to be with the general prison population as opposed to death-row. "The current death-row census totals 685, but because of legal issues, only 13 have been executed since 1977 (compared to 71 death-row fatalities from other causes)"
Walkr 2 years ago
@Walkr You make a good point and you are most likely right but anybody who asks for the death penalty does sound suicidal or insane
feeish 2 years ago
hey i subscribed to you after seeing your first death penalty vid earlier today, and i'm glad to say that i equally enjoyed this video. nice insight. can't wait for more vids in the future!
swatkins246 2 years ago
Why I'm against the death penalty: murder is murder regardless of who commits it and who says it's ok.
snownet 2 years ago
If you ever go to Brazil and realize people are staring at you, this is why: watch?v=2rGA1olf-ZI&feature=related
BraziliAna 2 years ago
Hahaha nice.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
so i'm hoping that ending is foreshadowing what next weekend's topic of discussion will be.
viper002060 2 years ago
I support the death penalty because if someone gets a prison sentence, they usually don't end up serving the full sentence, and then they can go out and kill more people. But the fact that it could later be found out that they were innocent does deter me somewhat. Maybe if it were guaranteed that murderers actually have to serve life sentences, then I would oppose the death penalty.
Chelseeyuh 2 years ago
The cinnamon spoon is what my girlfriend calls my deck when i spoon her because i am hot red in some places
tmheill 2 years ago
This is a prime example of why I love YT ! in just under 5 min. you managed to voice conflicting convictions as to reasoning your beliefs and values, and then tied gun references and drug promotions into a unrelated topic! Joe I'm no hater; just amazed at the human factor. thanks for the giggles!
nuffovu 2 years ago
Oh, I'm with you.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
I have a lot of respect for how you feel about this. Most people do not realize that in a democracy, the majority makes something right. You should always have your own ideas and beliefs, but you must respect the what the majority believes. It is not perfect, but it tries to make as many people happy as possible. I am for the death penalty but I am fully aware that it is flawed just like every other system the government has in place. Oh well. We still live in a great country.
SquirtAddict 2 years ago
@SquirtAddict A majority does NOT make something right. Example: Hitler and the Holocaust and any other genocide.
feeish 2 years ago