The two major economic crashes in the last 80 years 1929 and 2008 have happened under Norquist minded Republican Administrations. His idol Ronald Reagan had to raise taxes after he went too far with tax cuts for the rich. When Norquist says "the American people", he isnt talking about everybody. Who is going to fund the next war ?
@MrWarensamble lol blame the liberals... Do you know why the government doesn't have have money in the first place? Because of the massive tax cuts to the rich that the pro-rich republican party mandated Bush and the congress to do.
That's the rub, Grover. Your party… the Repbublican party DOUBLED THE NATIONAL DEBT to over $10 TRILLION, actually, $12 TRILLION, if you put the failed wars and the Senior Prescription Drug Law on the dole. That doesn't even include the 2008 Bush Recession. And when Obama came in, you Republicans REFUSED to help him clean up your stain. The SHOCK here, is, after 8 million lost their jobs in the Bush Recession, the Grover Answer was GIVE TRILLIONS MORE to the filthy rich.
agreed, and did you know that all but one (John Huntsman) of the current GOP's running in the primary, have already signed this pledge. I am not a Huntsman fan, but I did hear him say in a radio interview, that the pledge was a useless tool for corporate lobbyists to use against well meaning politicians.
Grover is a Koch brothers funded lobbyist, and he looks like a pedophile to me.
He probably has a windowless van, and cruises around elementary schools.
"Grover is a Kock brothers funded lobbyist, and he looks like a pedophile to me."
Yeah, there is just something about this Norquist dude (like Dick Morrison), his eyes, voice just creepy as hell. I wouldn't be surprise if a scandal broke out about him doing some perverted freaky kinky shit at some hole in the wall, underground everything goes whore house, lol!!
@toddg562 The politicians (especially the republican ones) serve the money, not the people. In the good old times they served the people, but not anymore.
The problem is this country should not tax Our income our labor is all we have. This country worked well enough with corporations paying taxes only. Now we pay taxes and the corporations do not. Everyone blames the President or pits one side against the other. When the truth is neither side wants to tax the corporations. Just Us!!!
@mdavis2727 OOHH! Did I hit a nerve? Did I take the name of Grover in vain -- that rotten little shit bag! Fuck you, Grovey, Limbo, and all the rest of the right-wing assholes, you bunch of nasty pricks!
@vdarte Well, I think you were probably trying to hit a nerve, so you should be happy. My guess is that that is about all you are actually capable of doing. Retards like you don't like to argue; you just like to provoke. What specifically is it that you oppose? Explain your position, instead of just churning out idiotic insults. Not that I give the slightest shit about your opinion.
The "super-committee" will fail, and we'll start hacking defense & govt. spending programs due to the "trigger", and start paying for the BS wars Grover didn't foresee, and doesn't seem to want to pay for, & all will be well. Right? No! Lobbyists will prevail, & they'll find another way to circumvent the trigger, & nothing will be accomplished. GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS! We need an ammendment to do this. Screw Grover Norquist, and go to Dylan Ratigan's site. Now there's a real petition to sign!
Matthews doesn't have the IQ to follow through on his verbal attacks. Norquist is absolutely correct. You raise more money, without raising taxes, by increasing employment.
@1kkyu And how do you increase employment? By cutting spending? You people need to grow up, its neither one thing or the other its about compromise. And since there's a democratic president and senate its the republicans who need to do most of the compromising, I should have to tell you that that's how democracy works.
But you forgot to mention that you need people spending their money. You can hire all you want but that doesn't mean you're going to have people buying your stuff. Also, when you hire you have to receive about 1.5 times that employee's salary or you're breaking even. Moreover, if you don't have the sales needed to make payroll then you're gong to have to pay your employees out your own pocket or get a loan.
But you forgot to mention that you need people spending their money. You can hire all you want but that doesn't mean you're going to have people buying your stuff. Also, when you hire you have to receive about 1.5 times that employee's salary or you're breaking even. Moreover, if you don't have the sales needed to make payroll then you're gong to have to pay your employees out your own pocket or get a loan.
This fucking fat ass is the one that almost brought down the whole american economy and caused S&P to downgrade our Creditworthyness. Im an Atheist, but this Grover Norquist is the Anti-Christ....OOOH and you religious Republican conservatives didnt see it coming. Shame on your GOD!!!!!
just like to add my two cents. i'm from an upper middle class boston suburb pretty close to where this guy grew up, weston MA. Weston is RICH, really really rich. I guarantee this guy has had everything handed to him and has never once had to actually consider what those that do not have to go through. not everyone from Weston is like him of course but when it comes to economics this man has NOTHING to do with the average citizen so don't think for a second that he does!
Republican economics doesn't work! You have to spend your way out of a recession. Republicans love to cut taxes on social programs so those affected will have to switch to private enterprise. By doing so, everyday Americans will be forced to pay companies for their social services, who guess what?, have all these Republican politicians in their pockets.
i cannot believe he said obama was having the hissy-fit. the tea party is basically like a small child holding their breath until they get what they want. ideologues are always wrong, no matter what side they are on.
Isn;t chris mathews the one that found chills or was it piss running down his leg because obama won? jusr wanted to know. how sickening! Is he still having orgasms over this weak piece of shit er-uhcrap
Um......... Grover is right. Actually. Lower the corporate rate, and the job creators will stop taking their jobs over seas to avoid the taxes, now they just take their jobs to china and india to avoid taxes. High corporate rates stunt and even destroy american jobs and american productivity. You have to fix the job market before you can look at the particular rates. Putting bandaid on shotgun wound does not work.
@SupremeAmerican or, they could take the lower tax rate AND lower costs by outsourcing and really line their pockets. if tax cuts were the panacea, their wouldn't have been a recession.
chris matthews, the dumb cunt from pmsnbc. I'd love to do an interview with this stupid fuck. I keep hoping he'll blow an artery on t.v and we all get to watch another piece of shit go down the toilet
The biggest drivers of the debt are: 2 recessions (28%), increased defense spending (15%), the Bush tax cuts (13%), interest on the debt (11%), other spending (10%), other tax cuts (8%), the Obama stimulus (6%), the Bush Medicare Part D prescription drug plan (2%), other technical reasons like alternative financing (7%).
I work my ass off everyday and the right wing extremist pigs are trying to bust my union! NO WAY IN HELL will the right wing get away with it because union members will meet the tea party and kick all of their asses!
From the replies I've seen here it seems the parasites who live off other people are growing angrier. I'll bet most of these who are busting on Grover voted for obuma and they pay no federal income taxes! Always looking for a handout.
@pescado60 Grovers living off his daddy's money so go sell it elsewhere super hero - the hand out argument is bull - maybe 3% of the population have zero respect for themselves but the others are just scamming the system - the way the big boys do - oil lobbyist working for and approving permits at the Bureau of Land Management - if you need an example - economic patriotism was killed by Regan
Tweety Bird should have been even harder on this loon. Norquist wants to starve the beast (the US Gov't), hence, killing New Deal programs for good yet of course retaining big expenditures on wars which he likes (He aided the mujahaddin in Afghanistan - later some of whom became al Qaeda and who we fight to this day.)and hypocritically huge entitlement programs that Dubya passed. Mainstream media is 5-7 years late on this guy who was outed by independent media and PBS years ago when it mattered.
Grover Norquist should take his Tax Pledge and shove it up his IRS (Internal Rectal Space)...who the hell is he to tell anybody anything? I guess any of us can start a pledge and I think we should! POST THIS ON ALL YOUR FRIENDS' WALLS: TAX DODGING WEALTHY PIGS: PAY UP OR SHUT UP. Please repost. over and over again.
He is like many american, stupid anti-tax fanatics who think we can cut spending into prosperity. Meanwhile there is wide income gap no disincentive to keep jobs overseas.
Arguing for lowering taxes IS arguing for freedom. The government does not work for your money and does not work for my money. They spend money that hasn't come in yet and use it to build a gigantic government and the bigger the government the less free the citizen. It's basic, No Government = No law, no taxes. Small Government = Some laws, some taxes. Big Government = The most amount of laws, the most taxes. Fight all tax increases as though they were the enemy of the Republic.
@nadarealguy - fine but in a continental sized country from sea to shinning sea with 300 million plus people - you need more government than a Caribbean island - if we go back to the tax rates from 1961 - everything would be fine. If you want a good country with functioning municipalities and interstate commerce - you have to pay for it - and we had less unemployment when the tax rates were higher - the billionaires aren't creating physical jobs - they are siphoning wealth - and growing paper.
Matthew's asserts that Republicans adherence to Norquist's pledge will force a default, never admitting that Democrats desire to tax and spend without restraint in the face of fiscal disaster is also going to scuttle a potential deal. Matthew's is out of league, as usual...
@Teknokossack Yes, the Republicans did, unfortunately. They don't get any slack from me, except that they seem to understand now (better late than never) that we need to cut back and get our financial house in order. Reduce expenditures, get out of the way of businesses so they can invest and grow, and stop pretending that their money is YOUR money (or OUR money, or whatever the lexicon of the day is). There's NOTHING like that coming from the Democrats.
@Teknokossack And of course, the first a liberal starts talking about is cutting defense spending, failing to acknowledge that it's ENTITLEMENT spending that driving most of the debt. But I'm magnanimous: for the sake of argument, I'll cut three carrier groups, leaving four groups on each coast. Now, kill Medicare, Medicaid, and phase out Social Security. Happy?
@LambdaKore "...failing to acknowledge that it's ENTITLEMENT spending that driving most of the debt..."
-The budget was wacked out by Bush's wars. This is no lib. "Talking Point". You can pretend America's wars were not the 1 largest factor in our debt, and continue this fantasy.
Kill Medicad, Medicare, and Social Security? Just let the needy die? Pension plans tied to the investment markets? How would that work in the event another wall st. bubble busts?
@Teknokossack The two biggest items on our debt: entitlement spending and servicing the debt. The Bush tax cuts enabled people to keep more of their money, but government spending didn't decrease -- hence, no surplus. You can't continue a steak standard-of-living when you are only bringing in a hamburger paycheck.
@Teknokossack Yes, please -- phase out Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. There's a a couple of lines fast converging on our economic trajectory: the cost of these programs, and our ability to pay them. Would you rather wean people off them gradually before we hit the wall, or would you rather run around screaming in panic when the real crunch hits? Somehow, you don't impress me as being terribly pro-active.
@Teknokossack Leave people their money to invest in their own future -- I know, it's a radical idea, isn't it? Treating adult men and women as if they were responsible individuals who knew better than beaureucrats in Washington how best to live their lives and to dispose of their wealth as they see fit, rather than enslave them to the nanny-state as we're doing now.
@LambdaKore way to read from the teabagger script. you win a sarah paling book!!!!! it's not that simple. people invested in their own future, and wall street let them down. gee thanks, paytriot!!!
@rknprs So in other words, Wall Street exists only to fuQ people out of their money, and John and Jane Average are too stupid or busy or distracted to be able to look out for themselves, or that they lack the legal tools to hold those who cheat and defraud accountable, so OBVIOUSLY in your perfect little world, the government -- who has no ulterior motives and is purely motivated by the goodness of their hearts -- needs to step in and protect us from ourselves, right?
@rknprs You're mistaken in the belief that average men and women are incapable of taking care of themselves and providing for their future on their own. Sure, some people won't or can't, and that's too bad, but there are ways to address that. You don't empower people by taking their choices and responsibility away from them, and attempting to justify it with a flippant "it's for their own good" is patronizing and insulting in the extreme.
@LambdaKore You want someone to hold your hand your entire life and protect you from the consequences of living that life in freedom, that's your issue. Obviously, Mommy and Daddy did a piss-poor job of preparing you for life as an independent responsible adult. Keep your fuQQing hands and beaureaucrats out of my life, dude.
@JourneyHome Actually, I meant what I said. Democrats really don't seem to understand what is going on. Although the Republicans are also to blame, they seem to understand now (better late than never, and largely because the Tea Party is holding their feet to the fire) that we need to get our financial affairs in order before it really is too late. Democrats are driving us off a cliff, and their only response is to pretend nothing is wrong and to floor the gas pedal, spending-wise. Not good.
Chris's argument has no merit. The reason the president and dens can't even propose a budget because of reps. What they running around in ur head preventing brain function.
Hey at least we dodged the water world of melting glaciers. We saved them! Wait now they want to kill us? Oh man we better make all those not affiliated with the government go back to living short dirty lives or at least demand the government change the behavior of some rebellious Americans who "just don't get it."
@lewman84 Actually.... I am the one that wrote the Wikipedia page on the subject. So... strike one. Economics is a Science.... strike two. Reagan still lower the overall taxes by $375 billion & the so-called tax hikes were eventually had taken back half of the 1981 tax cut.... they did not raise the 1981 rates. But I will admit Reagan raised the Capital Gains tax from 20% to 28% in I believe late 87-early 88. Can anyone here tell me what happened not long after ? Oh yeah.... Recession. (cont)
@Teknokossack Touche.... The S&L did have its part in the Recession. But so did the Afghan vs Soviet War... Iran Contra Affair... Panama... lots of different factors went into causing the recession.
@MrWizenBud - where are all the jobs then genius - Clinton raised taxes economy boomed....there's a correlation between what the government does and the economy but its not a direct correlation one to one- but you already know that - so your being disingenuous - you can't have a continental sized country with 300 million people in it governed successfully on a Caribbean island sized budget - you want a good country - you have to pay for it - you want no taxes - move to Somalia.
@lewman84 .....Then we fast forward to 1997.... low and behold... who's cutting the Capital Gains tax back down to 20%.... President William J Clinton.
@MrWizenBud - yeah but he raised taxes on the richest 1% and balanced the budget - Republicans always spend us into a whole Regan was the champion of deficit spending and Cheney his acolyte - then when the Dems come in they cry like stuck pigs - its a game to win elections - which they are good at but not very good at running the country - which they suck at.....war in Iraq - really - what a waste of money - genius - oh make daddy proud - W can add bankrupting the USA to his list of failures
@lewman84 1st off... that WW2 tax rate had enough loopholes in that NOBODY paid 90% in taxes. Then Reagan's tax hike.... if we go back and take a look.... Volcker is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983. Volcker raised the federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5%. (cont)
@MrWizenBud As for "St Reagan".... Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA) of 1981...the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid. Unfortunately, estimates of ERTA by the Democrat-controlled CBO continued to show falling tax payment by upper income taxpayers, even after actual IRS data had become available showing a surge of income tax payments by affluent taxpayers. (cont)
@MrWizenBud in 1982 after the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act was passed..... a libertarian political writer named Sheldon Richman described TEFRA as "the largest tax increase in American history." However, this "increase" was achieved primarily through the cancellation of future tax cuts scheduled by ERTA the year before that had yet to take effect at the time of TEFRA's passage. Taxpayers still receive $375 billion in tax cuts in the 3 years following TEFRA. You were saying ??
Pshh.. Chris Mathews asks, "What's a hissy fit?" lol.. Obama's plan is a compromise, the Republicans are having a hissy fit, Obama will probably cave in to they're temper tantrum again and be a bad Daddy to these silly Republican children who have delusions of being partriotsm and fiscal conservativatism.
@JourneyHome If he chooses to default he can be impeached under the fourteenth amendment, yes. The government has 200 billion coming in, the interest payment is 20 billion. Is 200 billion enough to pay 20 billion?
Who cares that he is black except you on the left? Is he somehow immune to criticism because of the color of his skin? He's doing all the things Bush did and I hated that guy because he was a total big government conservative neocon, why would I support Obama just because he's black?
@Visfen - my apology to you - I read impeach - and went right to Mitch McConnell saying his sole aim was to make sure Barrack didn't get re-elected - there is a lot of racism out there. Funny story took a libertarian test sponsored by the heritage foundation and scored right in the middle really freaked all the flag waving conservatives out who thought my hair was too long. You can still have business sense and vote democratic - I think the right is a little too impressed with their ruthlessness
@JourneyHome Mitch McConnells sole aim is that yes, his plan is to give the president the power and put the ball in his court. The tea party republicans disagree and want to govern, and try to limit the debt increases and keep the credit rating. In your opinion, should they do a deal that keeps the credit rating?
Why are you talking about racism? This is about the ever increasing debt.
I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but sure you can. You can also be a jewish anti-semite.
I remember when our leaders made a pledge to the American people not to Grover Norquist. I feel sad for our nation that so many of our elected officials have so little respect of our government and so little understanding of their oath of offfice.
@PatricksTime The pledge is political BS created to appeal to a narrow base on the Right. Norquist's trickle down dogma of tax cuts of the rich have transferred most of our wealth to the top 5%. His pledge is to make sure it stays there.
why is this gnome Norquist even a topic of conversation? is he an elected official? are these people who were elected loyal to Norquist or are they loyal to America. shut this troll up. noone should be listening to him but the Tidy Bowl man.
Hey Matthews, there is no need for default if spending is cut. Giving DC more money is like giving a drug addict crack. Spending is the problem not taxes. If default is so bad avoid it by cutting spending. Solved.
@66605 yes but people on social security/disability is just as much a financial obligation as are our debts. it is not the fault of seniors and disabled people that the government stole money from those funds. changing the laws so that this system might be reformed in the future is fine but the people who are already receiving the checks that they contributed to all their lives are a priority financial obligation of the nation. fighting wars that are not necessary is not a priority
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”...."How fortunate for leaders that men do not think"....These are quotes from HITLER.....the holy bible for the GOP......this asshole was born rich with a silver spoon in his mouth....he only cares about the rich......we cannot let these EVIL people take over our great country....VOTE.....VOTE................TeabagGOP is EVIL................
Stop saying the American people don't want tax increases discussed you fat cunt! The most recent polls show that 66% of Americans (right and left) are in favor of a mix of tax increase and spending cuts.
@timwel12 you stupid fuck, 70 percent of Americans think the countries moving in the wrond direction. Your fuckhead daddy obummers approval rating is around 39 percent. Stop paying attention to the dumb fuck, corrupt evil shit sucking whore dogs like this stupid fuckhead chris, thrill up his leg, matthews. No one who actually pays taxes wants new taxes dumb fuck. You stupid fucking dope smoking ass monkey. Move to china you ignorant twat. go abort yourself.
If you count payroll taxes, the richest 400 Americans, pocketing over $354 million a year, are paying a lower tax rate than a hospital orderly working for $29,000 a year.
Norquist doesn't speak for any American besides himself. He is dishonest to the core and any politician who signs a plegde to him is not keeping their oath of office.
@projeckt2501 you assume the premise that if we don't raise taxes we default then you clearly don't understand what compromise means. Why don't we close loopholes and make sure people pay what they should. Maybe if we had some actual private sector jobs then we could generate more revenue.
@goduke282 Oh really? See, Obama already tried to close loopholes and republicans called it a tax hike and would not co-operate. The republican idea of compromise is, "give us everything we want or we will block anything you try to do."
Grover, "I want to shrink government so small that I can drown it in a bathtub" - so no one is big enough to bring suit against GE or Exxon when they destroy the macro economy.
Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes - to which I add - no sh** Sherlock
"to grow the economy you need to cut spending" - Norquist - what Grover and the ideologues don't understand is logistics - this country has more people in it than when his pledge was created. That goes directly to infrastructure - when Republican's are in office they correctly call it capital expenditure. You have to invest (more spending) to grow the economy.
@JourneyHome I completely agree with the idea that you have to invest to grow the economy. Where we differ is.... I believe you must have investment with CAPITAL not Deficit Spending. Raising taxes during a recession is economic suicide. We have to trim the budget, get control of the printing press @ the Fed, revamp the regulatory systems with some common sense to ease the cost burden to start up business, & give tax amnesty to existing companies(cont)....
@JourneyHome .....that bring their offshore Capital back to the US & invest said Capital into creating jobs here @ home. Infrastructure spending is something else all together. My belief there is that there is an Ocean of revenue being wasted on Empire.... if we would just pull back from our global stance of believing we are the "Cop of the world".... we would have plenty of revenue to rebuild our countries infrastructure without raising one dime in taxes.
@MrWizenBud - amen to that - its a question of allocation but - the cap on the social security rate has to be lifted (revenue up) - medicare instead of being eliminated should be opened up for a buy in program (revenue up) - the pharmaceutical companies should not be protected by tariffs (cost down) - defense department budget cut (cost down) - invest in Education and R&D - Economic patriotism has to come back - selfishness is killing us.
Chris Matthews is an idiot. No tax increases doesn't mean we default. He is basically saying if the republicans don't do what the democrats want then we will default. We don't need higher taxes we need more taxpayers. Just go in and do both horizontal and vertical cuts it's not that hard if you don't have all these lobbyists and special interest groups you need campaign money from. Matthews needs to stop having a hissyfit.
Matthews is saying democrats are willing to compromise with cuts, why aren't you willing to compromise with a couple percent raise in the tax rate on the richest 5%. We have bills to pay, grow up.
Interesting Grover supports a retail sales tax. That puts more tax burden on the poor and the middle class. That's why the Ontario Government sends out quartly HST rebate checks to those who qualify.
The two major economic crashes in the last 80 years 1929 and 2008 have happened under Norquist minded Republican Administrations. His idol Ronald Reagan had to raise taxes after he went too far with tax cuts for the rich. When Norquist says "the American people", he isnt talking about everybody. Who is going to fund the next war ?
Kalonjikala 6 days ago
Hey, Nortwist, if you don't like it get out of my kitchen! I'm Tweety Bird and this Hard Nuts!
Tippersnore 1 week ago
when the crash hits, Grover Norquist will be the first man i assassinate!
EyEnOtgAy 1 week ago
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TradingTutor 1 week ago
MATTHEWS IS AN ASS HOLE
JOHNBRANSKI100 1 week ago
I wish the Govt. would stop spending money we don't have. liberals are so stupid.
MrWarensamble 1 week ago
@MrWarensamble lol blame the liberals... Do you know why the government doesn't have have money in the first place? Because of the massive tax cuts to the rich that the pro-rich republican party mandated Bush and the congress to do.
TradingTutor 1 week ago
@MrWarensamble THEY ARE NOT STUPID , YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TYE WANT , TO BANKRUPT THE UNITED STATES.
JOHNBRANSKI100 2 days ago
OVERSPENDING.
That's the rub, Grover. Your party… the Repbublican party DOUBLED THE NATIONAL DEBT to over $10 TRILLION, actually, $12 TRILLION, if you put the failed wars and the Senior Prescription Drug Law on the dole. That doesn't even include the 2008 Bush Recession. And when Obama came in, you Republicans REFUSED to help him clean up your stain. The SHOCK here, is, after 8 million lost their jobs in the Bush Recession, the Grover Answer was GIVE TRILLIONS MORE to the filthy rich.
medartist01 1 month ago 6
@medartist01 bathtubs mother fucker do you speak it
httm241 1 month ago
@medartist01 BUSH WAS AN ASHOLE WHO TRIED TO GET ALONG WITH COMMUNIST LEFT.
JOHNBRANSKI100 2 days ago
WOW, another Matthews attempt to bully a guest that failed.
Norquist won, hands down.
MSNBC is so fair and balanced!
jumpwedge 1 month ago
He represents everything that is keeping our country backwards. Thank you Chris Mathews for exposing this treacherous turd.
tepeyac10 1 month ago
What a s#!+bag
tepeyac10 1 month ago
I bet most of the American people do not even know who he is, much less "sign his form".
RamonLVillalona 1 month ago
It's HIS pledge THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEVER ASKED FOR THE PLEDGE!!!
wisebbq1 1 month ago
ass hole
unisys65 2 months ago
I don't give a shit that the pledge has been around for 24 years.
What I care about is why are the peoples elected officials being held to a Grover Norquist pledge?
The politicians were elected to represent us, not Grover and his pledge.
Grover and his pledge should be ruled as unconstitutional, as it takes away the peoples representation from their elected officials.
FU Grover Norquist.
toddg562 3 months ago 11
@toddg562 Grover and his stupid followers are a useless bunch of assholes.
vdarte 1 month ago
@vdarte
agreed, and did you know that all but one (John Huntsman) of the current GOP's running in the primary, have already signed this pledge. I am not a Huntsman fan, but I did hear him say in a radio interview, that the pledge was a useless tool for corporate lobbyists to use against well meaning politicians.
Grover is a Koch brothers funded lobbyist, and he looks like a pedophile to me.
He probably has a windowless van, and cruises around elementary schools.
FU Grover Norquist.
toddg562 1 month ago
@toddg562
"Grover is a Kock brothers funded lobbyist, and he looks like a pedophile to me."
Yeah, there is just something about this Norquist dude (like Dick Morrison), his eyes, voice just creepy as hell. I wouldn't be surprise if a scandal broke out about him doing some perverted freaky kinky shit at some hole in the wall, underground everything goes whore house, lol!!
MrJuly1990ish 3 days ago
@MrJuly1990ish
I know what you mean, when I hear Grover talk it creeps me out.
He just oozes sleaze to me. Makes me wanna protect my b-hole and my wallet.
toddg562 2 days ago
@vdarte AT LEAST WERE NOT COMMUNISTS.
JOHNBRANSKI100 2 days ago
@JOHNBRANSKI100 YES YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!
vdarte 2 days ago
@toddg562 BEACAUSE OBAMMA IS A PIECE OF SHIT.
JOHNBRANSKI100 1 week ago
@JOHNBRANSKI100
And you are a worthless little shit.
MrJuly1990ish 3 days ago
@MrJuly1990ish YOU ARE A COMMIE.
JOHNBRANSKI100 2 days ago
@toddg562 The politicians (especially the republican ones) serve the money, not the people. In the good old times they served the people, but not anymore.
TradingTutor 1 week ago
The problem is this country should not tax Our income our labor is all we have. This country worked well enough with corporations paying taxes only. Now we pay taxes and the corporations do not. Everyone blames the President or pits one side against the other. When the truth is neither side wants to tax the corporations. Just Us!!!
kkpwd0724 3 months ago
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Norquest should do the world a favor and kill himself. The man is a complete psychopath
singray7 3 months ago
Grover = drab, fat little turd. Plays with his own bag.
vdarte 3 months ago
@vdarte How long did it take you to come up with that brilliant insight? What an incredibly stupid fuck you must be.
mdavis2727 1 month ago
@mdavis2727 OOHH! Did I hit a nerve? Did I take the name of Grover in vain -- that rotten little shit bag! Fuck you, Grovey, Limbo, and all the rest of the right-wing assholes, you bunch of nasty pricks!
vdarte 1 month ago
@vdarte Well, I think you were probably trying to hit a nerve, so you should be happy. My guess is that that is about all you are actually capable of doing. Retards like you don't like to argue; you just like to provoke. What specifically is it that you oppose? Explain your position, instead of just churning out idiotic insults. Not that I give the slightest shit about your opinion.
mdavis2727 1 month ago
Chrissy got pissy and asked Grover what a hissy fit is.
praheresey 3 months ago
G_d, it's hard to take Grover Norquist seriously as he looks, sounds and acts as if he still lives with his mom.
CombatFFI 3 months ago
Chris WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kristiluv223 4 months ago
Norquist is trying not to smile, the snake.
upsilon054 4 months ago
i just can't take Chriss Matthews seriously since he got beat by Cheech on Jeopardy.
LURKUMALL 4 months ago 2
@LURKUMALL
correction, i was thinking of anderson cooper, i am stupid.
LURKUMALL 4 months ago
This Grover guy is a right wing loser.
tkandme3 4 months ago
@tkandme3
I agree imagine letting people keep their own money and spending it the way they want. Simple crazy!!!!!!
KongSunWu 3 months ago
The "super-committee" will fail, and we'll start hacking defense & govt. spending programs due to the "trigger", and start paying for the BS wars Grover didn't foresee, and doesn't seem to want to pay for, & all will be well. Right? No! Lobbyists will prevail, & they'll find another way to circumvent the trigger, & nothing will be accomplished. GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS! We need an ammendment to do this. Screw Grover Norquist, and go to Dylan Ratigan's site. Now there's a real petition to sign!
laaxe 4 months ago
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TheArcaneSanctum 5 months ago
The end result of this is almost as funny as watching Barney Frank squirm when O'rielly grills him over Fannie Mae.
Jonger1150 5 months ago
The Host talks too much!!! If only I could hear Grover respond over all that excitement Chris displayed.
orancoo 5 months ago
put more people to work in private sector then the gov revenue will go up. chris matthews is uneducated.
lareneg72 5 months ago
Matthews doesn't have the IQ to follow through on his verbal attacks. Norquist is absolutely correct. You raise more money, without raising taxes, by increasing employment.
1kkyu 5 months ago
@1kkyu And how do you increase employment? By cutting spending? You people need to grow up, its neither one thing or the other its about compromise. And since there's a democratic president and senate its the republicans who need to do most of the compromising, I should have to tell you that that's how democracy works.
cook119 5 months ago
@cook119 WE ARE A REPUBLIC YOU IDIOT.
JOHNBRANSKI100 2 days ago
@1kkyu
"You raise more money, without raising taxes, by increasing employment."
How is that currently working out for us? I mean considering taxes are at a historic low for the top 2% yet employment is still too damn high.
Einsteinbomb 5 months ago
@1kkyu
*Sarcasm*
Einsteinbomb 5 months ago
@1kkyu
But you forgot to mention that you need people spending their money. You can hire all you want but that doesn't mean you're going to have people buying your stuff. Also, when you hire you have to receive about 1.5 times that employee's salary or you're breaking even. Moreover, if you don't have the sales needed to make payroll then you're gong to have to pay your employees out your own pocket or get a loan.
flirtwd 5 months ago
@1kkyu
But you forgot to mention that you need people spending their money. You can hire all you want but that doesn't mean you're going to have people buying your stuff. Also, when you hire you have to receive about 1.5 times that employee's salary or you're breaking even. Moreover, if you don't have the sales needed to make payroll then you're gong to have to pay your employees out your own pocket or get a loan.
flirtwd 5 months ago
Why is it so hard for him to say, "We want everything we want and we want the other side to give up everything they want"?
WrathOfNolla 5 months ago
Ron Paul 2012!
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pattonftw 5 months ago
Chris Matthews ripped this guy apart without even blinking.
asmodeusambrose 5 months ago
This dude is just sooooo much smarter than Matthews is. It's like a surgeon arguing with a massage therapist about the anatomy of the brain.
MontanaCowboy35 6 months ago
I read recently that folks in the Bush 'WHITE' house quaked when Grover walked by, such was the power he wielded.
Illusory.
He still holds that power.
Who has the Cajones to take on this eunuch?
TheBigDelicious 6 months ago
TEA BAGGERS = STUPID IDIOTS
TheLatinoNation 6 months ago
wow - Norquist is such a slimy , simple minded idiot - Matthews really shows him to be a jerk! Thanks for posting!
charlesanddog 6 months ago
This fucking fat ass is the one that almost brought down the whole american economy and caused S&P to downgrade our Creditworthyness. Im an Atheist, but this Grover Norquist is the Anti-Christ....OOOH and you religious Republican conservatives didnt see it coming. Shame on your GOD!!!!!
mannymmv 6 months ago
chris mathews must feel SO stupid after watching this now that grover got his way... chris is a nitwit.
Everett345 6 months ago
Gotta love chrissy's ire. Homo.
ObaManure 6 months ago
just like to add my two cents. i'm from an upper middle class boston suburb pretty close to where this guy grew up, weston MA. Weston is RICH, really really rich. I guarantee this guy has had everything handed to him and has never once had to actually consider what those that do not have to go through. not everyone from Weston is like him of course but when it comes to economics this man has NOTHING to do with the average citizen so don't think for a second that he does!
lyssatakeabow 6 months ago
i am a member of the american people and i DO NOT endorse norquist or any other teabagging brownshirts "pledges".
rknprs 6 months ago
Republican economics doesn't work! You have to spend your way out of a recession. Republicans love to cut taxes on social programs so those affected will have to switch to private enterprise. By doing so, everyday Americans will be forced to pay companies for their social services, who guess what?, have all these Republican politicians in their pockets.
Ikjyot 6 months ago
Raising taxes in a deep recession with over 9% unemployment!?!? What kind of stupidity is that?
MGCAUSTIN 6 months ago
i cannot believe he said obama was having the hissy-fit. the tea party is basically like a small child holding their breath until they get what they want. ideologues are always wrong, no matter what side they are on.
bmbenblog 6 months ago
@bmbenblog not that i'm happy with obama...f***ing government has no ones best interest in mind.
bmbenblog 6 months ago
Isn;t chris mathews the one that found chills or was it piss running down his leg because obama won? jusr wanted to know. how sickening! Is he still having orgasms over this weak piece of shit er-uhcrap
TGNolan01 6 months ago
I wonder when a patriot will make a name for himself,and rid humanity of this DOMESTIC TERRORIST(NORQUIST).
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 6 months ago
Um......... Grover is right. Actually. Lower the corporate rate, and the job creators will stop taking their jobs over seas to avoid the taxes, now they just take their jobs to china and india to avoid taxes. High corporate rates stunt and even destroy american jobs and american productivity. You have to fix the job market before you can look at the particular rates. Putting bandaid on shotgun wound does not work.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican or, they could take the lower tax rate AND lower costs by outsourcing and really line their pockets. if tax cuts were the panacea, their wouldn't have been a recession.
rknprs 6 months ago
Grover owned him.
Ibringthetruth1 6 months ago
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@Ibringthetruth1 are you stupid?
hyphiegirl12 6 months ago
Chris Matthews is the worst interviewer in the world. Just shut up and let the man answer. Bill O, Hannity are bad but this guy is awful.
brownnate68 7 months ago
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look right side vid joe walsh.
Ibringthetruth1 6 months ago
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Who is this deranged Queen?
rhudsonrte66 7 months ago
chris matthews, the dumb cunt from pmsnbc. I'd love to do an interview with this stupid fuck. I keep hoping he'll blow an artery on t.v and we all get to watch another piece of shit go down the toilet
TheJustmike2010 7 months ago
The biggest drivers of the debt are: 2 recessions (28%), increased defense spending (15%), the Bush tax cuts (13%), interest on the debt (11%), other spending (10%), other tax cuts (8%), the Obama stimulus (6%), the Bush Medicare Part D prescription drug plan (2%), other technical reasons like alternative financing (7%).
lukeandally 7 months ago
I work my ass off everyday and the right wing extremist pigs are trying to bust my union! NO WAY IN HELL will the right wing get away with it because union members will meet the tea party and kick all of their asses!
padude64 7 months ago
From the replies I've seen here it seems the parasites who live off other people are growing angrier. I'll bet most of these who are busting on Grover voted for obuma and they pay no federal income taxes! Always looking for a handout.
pescado60 7 months ago
@pescado60 Grovers living off his daddy's money so go sell it elsewhere super hero - the hand out argument is bull - maybe 3% of the population have zero respect for themselves but the others are just scamming the system - the way the big boys do - oil lobbyist working for and approving permits at the Bureau of Land Management - if you need an example - economic patriotism was killed by Regan
JourneyHome 7 months ago
I never saw so much shit come out of a mouth.
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stringlov 7 months ago
Tweety Bird should have been even harder on this loon. Norquist wants to starve the beast (the US Gov't), hence, killing New Deal programs for good yet of course retaining big expenditures on wars which he likes (He aided the mujahaddin in Afghanistan - later some of whom became al Qaeda and who we fight to this day.)and hypocritically huge entitlement programs that Dubya passed. Mainstream media is 5-7 years late on this guy who was outed by independent media and PBS years ago when it mattered.
Tsnore 7 months ago
Grover Norquist should take his Tax Pledge and shove it up his IRS (Internal Rectal Space)...who the hell is he to tell anybody anything? I guess any of us can start a pledge and I think we should! POST THIS ON ALL YOUR FRIENDS' WALLS: TAX DODGING WEALTHY PIGS: PAY UP OR SHUT UP. Please repost. over and over again.
GrannyTenderstone 7 months ago
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GrannyTenderstone 7 months ago
He is like many american, stupid anti-tax fanatics who think we can cut spending into prosperity. Meanwhile there is wide income gap no disincentive to keep jobs overseas.
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lewman84 7 months ago
Arguing for lowering taxes IS arguing for freedom. The government does not work for your money and does not work for my money. They spend money that hasn't come in yet and use it to build a gigantic government and the bigger the government the less free the citizen. It's basic, No Government = No law, no taxes. Small Government = Some laws, some taxes. Big Government = The most amount of laws, the most taxes. Fight all tax increases as though they were the enemy of the Republic.
nadarealguy 7 months ago
@nadarealguy - fine but in a continental sized country from sea to shinning sea with 300 million plus people - you need more government than a Caribbean island - if we go back to the tax rates from 1961 - everything would be fine. If you want a good country with functioning municipalities and interstate commerce - you have to pay for it - and we had less unemployment when the tax rates were higher - the billionaires aren't creating physical jobs - they are siphoning wealth - and growing paper.
JourneyHome 7 months ago
Matthew's asserts that Republicans adherence to Norquist's pledge will force a default, never admitting that Democrats desire to tax and spend without restraint in the face of fiscal disaster is also going to scuttle a potential deal. Matthew's is out of league, as usual...
LambdaKore 7 months ago
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@LambdaKore , ".....Democrats desire to tax and spend without restraint in the face of fiscal disaster....."
Wow! Republicans didn't vote for Wall Street's bailout or for the unfunded wars that has blown the budget to where it is?
Teknokossack 7 months ago
@Teknokossack Yes, the Republicans did, unfortunately. They don't get any slack from me, except that they seem to understand now (better late than never) that we need to cut back and get our financial house in order. Reduce expenditures, get out of the way of businesses so they can invest and grow, and stop pretending that their money is YOUR money (or OUR money, or whatever the lexicon of the day is). There's NOTHING like that coming from the Democrats.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@LambdaKore so cut what? Why do we need 11 aircraft carriers? How many carrier groups will your guys cut?
Teknokossack 7 months ago
@Teknokossack And of course, the first a liberal starts talking about is cutting defense spending, failing to acknowledge that it's ENTITLEMENT spending that driving most of the debt. But I'm magnanimous: for the sake of argument, I'll cut three carrier groups, leaving four groups on each coast. Now, kill Medicare, Medicaid, and phase out Social Security. Happy?
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@LambdaKore "...failing to acknowledge that it's ENTITLEMENT spending that driving most of the debt..."
-The budget was wacked out by Bush's wars. This is no lib. "Talking Point". You can pretend America's wars were not the 1 largest factor in our debt, and continue this fantasy.
Kill Medicad, Medicare, and Social Security? Just let the needy die? Pension plans tied to the investment markets? How would that work in the event another wall st. bubble busts?
Teknokossack 7 months ago
@Teknokossack The two biggest items on our debt: entitlement spending and servicing the debt. The Bush tax cuts enabled people to keep more of their money, but government spending didn't decrease -- hence, no surplus. You can't continue a steak standard-of-living when you are only bringing in a hamburger paycheck.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@Teknokossack Yes, please -- phase out Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. There's a a couple of lines fast converging on our economic trajectory: the cost of these programs, and our ability to pay them. Would you rather wean people off them gradually before we hit the wall, or would you rather run around screaming in panic when the real crunch hits? Somehow, you don't impress me as being terribly pro-active.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@Teknokossack Leave people their money to invest in their own future -- I know, it's a radical idea, isn't it? Treating adult men and women as if they were responsible individuals who knew better than beaureucrats in Washington how best to live their lives and to dispose of their wealth as they see fit, rather than enslave them to the nanny-state as we're doing now.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@LambdaKore way to read from the teabagger script. you win a sarah paling book!!!!! it's not that simple. people invested in their own future, and wall street let them down. gee thanks, paytriot!!!
rknprs 6 months ago
@rknprs So in other words, Wall Street exists only to fuQ people out of their money, and John and Jane Average are too stupid or busy or distracted to be able to look out for themselves, or that they lack the legal tools to hold those who cheat and defraud accountable, so OBVIOUSLY in your perfect little world, the government -- who has no ulterior motives and is purely motivated by the goodness of their hearts -- needs to step in and protect us from ourselves, right?
LambdaKore 6 months ago
@rknprs You're mistaken in the belief that average men and women are incapable of taking care of themselves and providing for their future on their own. Sure, some people won't or can't, and that's too bad, but there are ways to address that. You don't empower people by taking their choices and responsibility away from them, and attempting to justify it with a flippant "it's for their own good" is patronizing and insulting in the extreme.
LambdaKore 6 months ago
@LambdaKore You want someone to hold your hand your entire life and protect you from the consequences of living that life in freedom, that's your issue. Obviously, Mommy and Daddy did a piss-poor job of preparing you for life as an independent responsible adult. Keep your fuQQing hands and beaureaucrats out of my life, dude.
LambdaKore 6 months ago
Oh, and $h1tcan ObamaCare, too.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
@LambdaKore "Democrats desire to tax and spend without restraint " thats a bogus talking point - you sound smarter than that
JourneyHome 7 months ago
@JourneyHome Actually, I meant what I said. Democrats really don't seem to understand what is going on. Although the Republicans are also to blame, they seem to understand now (better late than never, and largely because the Tea Party is holding their feet to the fire) that we need to get our financial affairs in order before it really is too late. Democrats are driving us off a cliff, and their only response is to pretend nothing is wrong and to floor the gas pedal, spending-wise. Not good.
LambdaKore 7 months ago
Chris's argument has no merit. The reason the president and dens can't even propose a budget because of reps. What they running around in ur head preventing brain function.
teresa1720 7 months ago
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lewman84 7 months ago
@lewman84 Now I know you shouldn't be commenting on Economic issues. The Monetary System is a sideshow.... ok... I'm done with you.
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
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Hey at least we dodged the water world of melting glaciers. We saved them! Wait now they want to kill us? Oh man we better make all those not affiliated with the government go back to living short dirty lives or at least demand the government change the behavior of some rebellious Americans who "just don't get it."
nadarealguy 7 months ago
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lewman84 7 months ago
@lewman84 Actually.... I am the one that wrote the Wikipedia page on the subject. So... strike one. Economics is a Science.... strike two. Reagan still lower the overall taxes by $375 billion & the so-called tax hikes were eventually had taken back half of the 1981 tax cut.... they did not raise the 1981 rates. But I will admit Reagan raised the Capital Gains tax from 20% to 28% in I believe late 87-early 88. Can anyone here tell me what happened not long after ? Oh yeah.... Recession. (cont)
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud was the recession due to the Capital Gains tax? Surely the Savings and Loan Scandal had nothing to do with it..........
Teknokossack 7 months ago
@Teknokossack Touche.... The S&L did have its part in the Recession. But so did the Afghan vs Soviet War... Iran Contra Affair... Panama... lots of different factors went into causing the recession.
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud - where are all the jobs then genius - Clinton raised taxes economy boomed....there's a correlation between what the government does and the economy but its not a direct correlation one to one- but you already know that - so your being disingenuous - you can't have a continental sized country with 300 million people in it governed successfully on a Caribbean island sized budget - you want a good country - you have to pay for it - you want no taxes - move to Somalia.
JourneyHome 7 months ago
@lewman84 .....Then we fast forward to 1997.... low and behold... who's cutting the Capital Gains tax back down to 20%.... President William J Clinton.
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud - yeah but he raised taxes on the richest 1% and balanced the budget - Republicans always spend us into a whole Regan was the champion of deficit spending and Cheney his acolyte - then when the Dems come in they cry like stuck pigs - its a game to win elections - which they are good at but not very good at running the country - which they suck at.....war in Iraq - really - what a waste of money - genius - oh make daddy proud - W can add bankrupting the USA to his list of failures
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lewman84 7 months ago
@lewman84 1st off... that WW2 tax rate had enough loopholes in that NOBODY paid 90% in taxes. Then Reagan's tax hike.... if we go back and take a look.... Volcker is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983. Volcker raised the federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5%. (cont)
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud As for "St Reagan".... Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA) of 1981...the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid. Unfortunately, estimates of ERTA by the Democrat-controlled CBO continued to show falling tax payment by upper income taxpayers, even after actual IRS data had become available showing a surge of income tax payments by affluent taxpayers. (cont)
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud in 1982 after the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act was passed..... a libertarian political writer named Sheldon Richman described TEFRA as "the largest tax increase in American history." However, this "increase" was achieved primarily through the cancellation of future tax cuts scheduled by ERTA the year before that had yet to take effect at the time of TEFRA's passage. Taxpayers still receive $375 billion in tax cuts in the 3 years following TEFRA. You were saying ??
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
Pshh.. Chris Mathews asks, "What's a hissy fit?" lol.. Obama's plan is a compromise, the Republicans are having a hissy fit, Obama will probably cave in to they're temper tantrum again and be a bad Daddy to these silly Republican children who have delusions of being partriotsm and fiscal conservativatism.
DarkFantasyvids 7 months ago
Matthews is an idiot. He doesn't even let Norquist answer one question before going onto another, when we know Matthews is in the tank for Obama.
GTFO matthews you nutjob.
mayhemlee 7 months ago
Grover Norquist #1
mayhemlee 7 months ago
The 3 to 1 deal is a lie. Don't take it.
Visfen 7 months ago
CHRIS MATTHEWS is lying. The US will not default. Unless Obama chooses to, which will then be an impeachable offense.
Visfen 7 months ago
@Visfen - so the object is to impeach the black president - Country first right?
JourneyHome 7 months ago
@JourneyHome If he chooses to default he can be impeached under the fourteenth amendment, yes. The government has 200 billion coming in, the interest payment is 20 billion. Is 200 billion enough to pay 20 billion?
Who cares that he is black except you on the left? Is he somehow immune to criticism because of the color of his skin? He's doing all the things Bush did and I hated that guy because he was a total big government conservative neocon, why would I support Obama just because he's black?
Visfen 7 months ago
@Visfen - my apology to you - I read impeach - and went right to Mitch McConnell saying his sole aim was to make sure Barrack didn't get re-elected - there is a lot of racism out there. Funny story took a libertarian test sponsored by the heritage foundation and scored right in the middle really freaked all the flag waving conservatives out who thought my hair was too long. You can still have business sense and vote democratic - I think the right is a little too impressed with their ruthlessness
JourneyHome 7 months ago
@JourneyHome Mitch McConnells sole aim is that yes, his plan is to give the president the power and put the ball in his court. The tea party republicans disagree and want to govern, and try to limit the debt increases and keep the credit rating. In your opinion, should they do a deal that keeps the credit rating?
Why are you talking about racism? This is about the ever increasing debt.
I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but sure you can. You can also be a jewish anti-semite.
Visfen 7 months ago
lol Chris Matthews is such a blowhard...
MaurDL 7 months ago
I remember when our leaders made a pledge to the American people not to Grover Norquist. I feel sad for our nation that so many of our elected officials have so little respect of our government and so little understanding of their oath of offfice.
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@337noname the pledge was to the tax payers not to Grover Norquist...don't you listen???
PatricksTime 7 months ago
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@PatricksTime The pledge is political BS created to appeal to a narrow base on the Right. Norquist's trickle down dogma of tax cuts of the rich have transferred most of our wealth to the top 5%. His pledge is to make sure it stays there.
337noname 7 months ago
why is this gnome Norquist even a topic of conversation? is he an elected official? are these people who were elected loyal to Norquist or are they loyal to America. shut this troll up. noone should be listening to him but the Tidy Bowl man.
BeingNobody1956 7 months ago
Elliot Spitzer nailed this weasel when he interviewd him. Grover had no comeback!
whiteliberal1 7 months ago
Hey Matthews, there is no need for default if spending is cut. Giving DC more money is like giving a drug addict crack. Spending is the problem not taxes. If default is so bad avoid it by cutting spending. Solved.
66605 7 months ago
@66605 yes but people on social security/disability is just as much a financial obligation as are our debts. it is not the fault of seniors and disabled people that the government stole money from those funds. changing the laws so that this system might be reformed in the future is fine but the people who are already receiving the checks that they contributed to all their lives are a priority financial obligation of the nation. fighting wars that are not necessary is not a priority
BeingNobody1956 7 months ago
@66605 - so thats what you tell your credit card company about your debt - sorry - no more spending - I'm not paying - good luck with that
JourneyHome 7 months ago
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“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”...."How fortunate for leaders that men do not think"....These are quotes from HITLER.....the holy bible for the GOP......this asshole was born rich with a silver spoon in his mouth....he only cares about the rich......we cannot let these EVIL people take over our great country....VOTE.....VOTE................TeabagGOP is EVIL................
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tokenannie 7 months ago
Stop saying the American people don't want tax increases discussed you fat cunt! The most recent polls show that 66% of Americans (right and left) are in favor of a mix of tax increase and spending cuts.
timwel12 7 months ago 8
@timwel12 you stupid fuck, 70 percent of Americans think the countries moving in the wrond direction. Your fuckhead daddy obummers approval rating is around 39 percent. Stop paying attention to the dumb fuck, corrupt evil shit sucking whore dogs like this stupid fuckhead chris, thrill up his leg, matthews. No one who actually pays taxes wants new taxes dumb fuck. You stupid fucking dope smoking ass monkey. Move to china you ignorant twat. go abort yourself.
TheJustmike2010 7 months ago
the media is all cloak and dagger.................bring back the fairness in reporting act!!
chefextra 7 months ago
Good for Mathews. Grover is another wealthy guy who wants the poor to pay his way.
sekanblogger 7 months ago
@sekanblogger - and living off of daddy's money
JourneyHome 7 months ago
Grover Norquist is on a quest to drown the Middle Class in a bathtub.
MsZeitgeist85 7 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Grover's fat ass wouldn't fit in a hot tub, so a little waterboarding will have to do.
1976donzi 7 months ago
If you count payroll taxes, the richest 400 Americans, pocketing over $354 million a year, are paying a lower tax rate than a hospital orderly working for $29,000 a year.
JourneyHome 7 months ago
Norquist doesn't speak for any American besides himself. He is dishonest to the core and any politician who signs a plegde to him is not keeping their oath of office.
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337noname 7 months ago
@projeckt2501 you assume the premise that if we don't raise taxes we default then you clearly don't understand what compromise means. Why don't we close loopholes and make sure people pay what they should. Maybe if we had some actual private sector jobs then we could generate more revenue.
goduke282 7 months ago
@goduke282 Oh really? See, Obama already tried to close loopholes and republicans called it a tax hike and would not co-operate. The republican idea of compromise is, "give us everything we want or we will block anything you try to do."
projeckt2501 7 months ago
Grover, "I want to shrink government so small that I can drown it in a bathtub" - so no one is big enough to bring suit against GE or Exxon when they destroy the macro economy.
Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes - to which I add - no sh** Sherlock
JourneyHome 7 months ago
"to grow the economy you need to cut spending" - Norquist - what Grover and the ideologues don't understand is logistics - this country has more people in it than when his pledge was created. That goes directly to infrastructure - when Republican's are in office they correctly call it capital expenditure. You have to invest (more spending) to grow the economy.
JourneyHome 7 months ago
@JourneyHome I completely agree with the idea that you have to invest to grow the economy. Where we differ is.... I believe you must have investment with CAPITAL not Deficit Spending. Raising taxes during a recession is economic suicide. We have to trim the budget, get control of the printing press @ the Fed, revamp the regulatory systems with some common sense to ease the cost burden to start up business, & give tax amnesty to existing companies(cont)....
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@JourneyHome .....that bring their offshore Capital back to the US & invest said Capital into creating jobs here @ home. Infrastructure spending is something else all together. My belief there is that there is an Ocean of revenue being wasted on Empire.... if we would just pull back from our global stance of believing we are the "Cop of the world".... we would have plenty of revenue to rebuild our countries infrastructure without raising one dime in taxes.
MrWizenBud 7 months ago
@MrWizenBud - amen to that - its a question of allocation but - the cap on the social security rate has to be lifted (revenue up) - medicare instead of being eliminated should be opened up for a buy in program (revenue up) - the pharmaceutical companies should not be protected by tariffs (cost down) - defense department budget cut (cost down) - invest in Education and R&D - Economic patriotism has to come back - selfishness is killing us.
JourneyHome 7 months ago
Chris Matthews is an idiot. No tax increases doesn't mean we default. He is basically saying if the republicans don't do what the democrats want then we will default. We don't need higher taxes we need more taxpayers. Just go in and do both horizontal and vertical cuts it's not that hard if you don't have all these lobbyists and special interest groups you need campaign money from. Matthews needs to stop having a hissyfit.
goduke282 7 months ago
@goduke282 WRONG!
Matthews is saying democrats are willing to compromise with cuts, why aren't you willing to compromise with a couple percent raise in the tax rate on the richest 5%. We have bills to pay, grow up.
projeckt2501 7 months ago
Interesting Grover supports a retail sales tax. That puts more tax burden on the poor and the middle class. That's why the Ontario Government sends out quartly HST rebate checks to those who qualify.
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