those who say that we don't need writers... are you serious? I mean really think about it first.
I think it's great that people are posting their thoughts on this subject matter. It doesn't matter if we agree or not because there will always be two sides to a story. It's just good to see intelligent people argue.
well, until now, i didnt know who holly hunter was. i was told i look like holly hunter and didnt know what she looked like. does anyone want to explain to me what exactly she does? or what she plays in?....
"On the nose" means that it's too obvious and trite. I.e. blind person saying "darkness, blackness, I've never seen a movie." Like in a horror movie, if the killer attacked someone and said "I am stabbing you because my mother chained me to the radiator when I was six."
Wow.. at last someone smart! We are so rotten by this Hollywood BS: Superheroes, who make more, who is the biggest spender, who slept with who knows, Who has panties on? Like there are not a lot important issues in the world....
Writers: write books, write documentals, write something that make the public focuses in important matters...
Why we can't make more artistic and real movies or tv shows like Europe or Latin America?
That is why we live in a fantasy world and full of complex!
NYartCarlifornia, your stumbles in sentence structure and anti-US or rather Pro-Europe and Latin American sentiment make me want to ask if English is a second language for you. It is a bit difficult to catch a train of thought from your posts.
Let's go back to the old Black&Withe movies... -Charlie Chaplin didn't need lines--...this way Writers can write books instead. It will be good for humanity if people from US become aware that there are other people in the planet apart from them.
-We need to become more cultured anyhow!
More books and less Hollywood entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE HOW THE DID this... for the people who don't understand what they are doing.... LIFE WITHOUT WRITERS.... EQUALS NOT HAVING A WELL WRITTEN SCRIPT.....
SUPPORT WGA.... even though I want my shows back... THE OFFICE FOREVER!
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and You Tube suspends me? HUGE MISTAKE! I tried to warn you that I would not give up this fight and as I said before I WILL see you totally exposed for allowing what you do here I just hope some parent sues your ass and good!
many jobs in the industry I work in (not entertainment, but equal in size) have been either taken away or eliminated from the US job market--those job opportunities have gone overseas to India because it costs less money for the companies to employ Indian workers. The creative team of this video is using that "truth" of today in a creative parallel. This is not stereotypical or racist--it is reality, a fact, and bravo to the artists of America for using it so "creatively".
Apart from the irrelevancy...doesn't anyone feel the blatant racism...you know, this kind of thing kinda borders on freedom of speech, racism and disgusting put-down humor involving race that the people being made fun of are expected to be 'liberal' about it because it's 'just a joke'? I mean, these days, it's hard to identify what to feel about certain aspects of racism, coz if we feel discriminated, we are conservatives and if not, we are liberals.
The word STEREOTYPICAL comes to mind. The way your organization just portrayed Indians was disgusting. With all the racist crap coming to light, here's just another example of how minorties are treated as "lesser than" the white population. It's as if you're saying Indians aren't able to write scripts and produce movies. Have you guys not heard of Bollywood? Indian cinema is full of quality movies. Indians are not clueless. Whoever created this promo is.
definitely agree. even though i don't watch indian movies, there have been a few classics that i've seen (mughal-e-azam, etc.). Indians are not stupid, and in many cases they speak better english than americans. I had an indian-educated english teacher back in high school, by far the best english teacher i've come across... many indians i know have much better language skills than their american counterparts. they talk circles around me...
You let your own prejudices and Cultural-centrism misguide you.
You're probably American so you wouldn't know but you'd be surprised to learn that "on the nose" is an idiom that's used only in the US and that a vast majority of native English speakers from the UK or Australia for instance would have to look it up...
once again, they are commenting on the lack of cultural synergy, NOT on the Indians lack of skills!
you're morons... when people jump to cry "racism" at every opportunity, they are usually the ones whose prejudices taint everything...
The video is not saying that "brown people" are lesser than "white people" or that Bollywood doesn't exist or that Indians don't speak good English...
It's commenting on the cultural differences. Bollywood movies are written in a specific cultural frame that cannot be imposed on US movies more than a US cultural frame should be imposed on Bollywood.
i'm just saying that constantly stereotyping a group of people as such would make it hard for people unfamiliar with that culture to see that the stereotype does not apply to ALL of the people within the group.
and just b/c americans use some phrases that the english or australian do not use does not mean that they speak better english, if that is what you implied.
boy, you're obtuse! that's not at all what I was implying... on the contrary! Ironically, you defend plural culturalism but your reply is so ethno-centric, it's scary...
you don't speal foreign languages, do you? what I'm saying as a non native English speaker is that the fact that he has to look up "on the nose" doesn't mean he speaks bad english, it means it's an idiom that's specifically American and that most non-US English speakers would have to look it up!
There are a loooot of idioms that are used in English by Australians, Brits or even Canadians that are unknown to US natives... it's just how languages work, different countries, same languages, different idioms...
i can't honestly say that i speak any language well, but i am very familiar with at least 3 others as opposed to english.
like i said, i wasn't sure what you were implying by mentioning the "on the nose" part of the video. i understood it as lack of english-speaking skills. again, i wasn't sure what your point was in in bringing that up, but this means that we at least agree on this one point. as i said in my earlier post, i didn't understand your implication. there's no argument there.
so you're saying "speak slowly using simple words" or morons will believe you're saying something racist?
I don't think the fact that people are idiots and see racism everywhere is a good enough reason to lower our standards, I think it's a reason to raise them.
If people can't understand the stereotyping's purpose here, who cares about them? Let them read and learn, don't lower yourself to their level!
once more, this is definitely NOT a a racist video. NOT RACIST. ok, another point to agree on.
all i'm saying is that there is this stereotype that foreigners cannot speak good english. it is true many times, but we never see the other side of the story in which the foreigners actually have to dumb-down their language for americans. i just wanted to give the other side of the story. everything in the media is so one-sided that it's just irritating sometimes.
i didnt think this was "racism" in any way. any time the word 'outsourcing' is used, 'india' comes to mind. that's ok for joke purposes. the problem is that if we only show jokes, the general public will have only this negative outlook on indians. i generally think bollywood movies are crap and have the humour level of a kindergarten child, but i do respect some of the beautiful literature they have come up with, too.
But you are sort of asuming the tone of the joke was despective, that is, "look at the ignorant indian guy, he didn't know what 'on the nose meant'", when in fact, it's more about the fact that it wasn't even in the same industry, it was computer support, AND it was a foreigner. Like CreepCrawler said, it's about different cultural frames. It's about american writers in american industry. It's not saying that indians or foreigners in general aren't good enuogh. It's just a different culture.
yes, i do take it as a joke, and it is funny. but, as a whole, americans look down on other cultures as stupid (not all americans, but most are quite ignorant). if the video really didn't want to seem like it was making another culture seem dumb ('on the nose' thing was not my problem), then the 'different cultural frame' shouldn't have been portrayed as stupid. the 'cultural frame' shown is definitely not very intelligent, you must agree.
ok, the guy was also a techie, not a writer, so he was in the wrong field and there was nothing wrong with the portrayal of that. all i'm saying is that americans generally have a negative outlook on other cultures (as other cultures do for each other, let's face it, there will always be prejudice), and this video just perpetuates that.
RammsteinlsMeinGott, so basically you are highjacking this thread to note a point you have about American ignorance about other cultures. I think then, your statements are at best inappropiate for this venue.
I felt like it was. that was the thought that came to mind for me when i saw this, and who the hell are you to judge whether it is appropriate or not?
In support of writers and the WGA, I am boycotting movies, TV, DVDs and internet video.
Writers are the foundation of every movie and TV show we've ever gotten anything out of. They've been disrespected forever. It's time to show respect. It's time to compensate them fairly.
Visual storytelling is how we practice facing fear and conflict. It's how we remember how to laugh in the face of tragedy.
You guys are pathetic, this video is horrible and racist. Using the stereotypes of Indians to sell your paranoia is weak and wrong. You writers can't come up with something better? Disappointing to see such a fake accent.
Miss Saving Grace
TheEldoradosBand 1 year ago
This is happening in every industry. INSIST on speaking to an American in America.
Way to go Holly and speechlesshollywood.
chickadede1 1 year ago
I love Holly Hunter! She is an amazing actress!
johnnydepplover454 1 year ago 3
@johnnydepplover454 Yep! She's the best. :)
TheFirstJedi 1 year ago
One of the most brilliant and profound points to be made - well done folks!
Picardy 2 years ago
"on de nooose"
ofdarknessandlight 2 years ago
This is kind of racist, no?
capricosi 2 years ago
LOL - "On the nose?"
xO
choaxstah 3 years ago
lol this is funny
pea8vey 3 years ago 2
those who say that we don't need writers... are you serious? I mean really think about it first.
I think it's great that people are posting their thoughts on this subject matter. It doesn't matter if we agree or not because there will always be two sides to a story. It's just good to see intelligent people argue.
inhye85 4 years ago
well, until now, i didnt know who holly hunter was. i was told i look like holly hunter and didnt know what she looked like. does anyone want to explain to me what exactly she does? or what she plays in?....
kklash28 4 years ago
she's been in tons of great movies...google here, silly!
mkaro 4 years ago
She was "Ed" the cop (Nicholas Cage's wife) in Raising Arizona.
saipanrick 3 years ago
Check out the movie thirteen she's in that.
proud2Bprude 3 years ago
@kklash28
well, for one, she did the voice of Mrs. Incredible (ElastiGirl)
ARbenSRbarGR 2 years ago
"On the nose" means that it's too obvious and trite. I.e. blind person saying "darkness, blackness, I've never seen a movie." Like in a horror movie, if the killer attacked someone and said "I am stabbing you because my mother chained me to the radiator when I was six."
-- A Writer
gkubota 4 years ago
brilliant and funny
provoko 4 years ago
what DOES "on the nose" mean?
umassbluangel 4 years ago
ah... Ask a writer.
RoanEpona 4 years ago
Haha! That's funny!!
If that were me I would've gotten soooo annoyed at him! Hah, this is a good one.
CantSeeTheStars 4 years ago
Wow.. at last someone smart! We are so rotten by this Hollywood BS: Superheroes, who make more, who is the biggest spender, who slept with who knows, Who has panties on? Like there are not a lot important issues in the world....
Writers: write books, write documentals, write something that make the public focuses in important matters...
Why we can't make more artistic and real movies or tv shows like Europe or Latin America?
That is why we live in a fantasy world and full of complex!
NYartCalifornia 4 years ago
NYartCarlifornia, your stumbles in sentence structure and anti-US or rather Pro-Europe and Latin American sentiment make me want to ask if English is a second language for you. It is a bit difficult to catch a train of thought from your posts.
kirktucci 4 years ago
I HAVE THE SOLUTION:
Let's go back to the old Black&Withe movies... -Charlie Chaplin didn't need lines--...this way Writers can write books instead. It will be good for humanity if people from US become aware that there are other people in the planet apart from them.
-We need to become more cultured anyhow!
More books and less Hollywood entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most actors are filthy rich anyway!
NYartCalifornia 4 years ago 2
I LOVE HOW THE DID this... for the people who don't understand what they are doing.... LIFE WITHOUT WRITERS.... EQUALS NOT HAVING A WELL WRITTEN SCRIPT.....
SUPPORT WGA.... even though I want my shows back... THE OFFICE FOREVER!
gamergirl2120 4 years ago
...and I thought trying to get my computer fixed was frustrating.
jayms74 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this is fuckin stupid
didnt make sense
htheyoutubr 4 years ago
Brilliant! It takes the entire team to make make the one on...seen!
spheil 4 years ago
You can only outsource so much before it gets insane.
Nice job, WAG, keep it up! We're with you!!!!
folkrockergrrrl 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Hello my name is casey Nunez many of you may rember TheDramaTube I am here to inform You Tube That the word is finally out and making National News! I am talking about the number of Children who are Committing Murder/Suicide as a Direct result of being attacked on line!
and You Tube suspends me? HUGE MISTAKE! I tried to warn you that I would not give up this fight and as I said before I WILL see you totally exposed for allowing what you do here I just hope some parent sues your ass and good!
CaseykaineNunez 4 years ago
many jobs in the industry I work in (not entertainment, but equal in size) have been either taken away or eliminated from the US job market--those job opportunities have gone overseas to India because it costs less money for the companies to employ Indian workers. The creative team of this video is using that "truth" of today in a creative parallel. This is not stereotypical or racist--it is reality, a fact, and bravo to the artists of America for using it so "creatively".
dailymeditation 4 years ago 7
I heard a screenwriter say this and it says it all:
Screenwriters are like gods but the producers are devote atheists.
bironel 4 years ago
2 Texan women...and a darling man
ashleyams 4 years ago
Are you serious? I'd be offended, but I can't stop laughing. At you, not with you. If this was an attempt at comedy, it was a poor one.
lottelita1 4 years ago
Apart from the irrelevancy...doesn't anyone feel the blatant racism...you know, this kind of thing kinda borders on freedom of speech, racism and disgusting put-down humor involving race that the people being made fun of are expected to be 'liberal' about it because it's 'just a joke'? I mean, these days, it's hard to identify what to feel about certain aspects of racism, coz if we feel discriminated, we are conservatives and if not, we are liberals.
vconverge 4 years ago 6
The word STEREOTYPICAL comes to mind. The way your organization just portrayed Indians was disgusting. With all the racist crap coming to light, here's just another example of how minorties are treated as "lesser than" the white population. It's as if you're saying Indians aren't able to write scripts and produce movies. Have you guys not heard of Bollywood? Indian cinema is full of quality movies. Indians are not clueless. Whoever created this promo is.
SolShine7 4 years ago
definitely agree. even though i don't watch indian movies, there have been a few classics that i've seen (mughal-e-azam, etc.). Indians are not stupid, and in many cases they speak better english than americans. I had an indian-educated english teacher back in high school, by far the best english teacher i've come across... many indians i know have much better language skills than their american counterparts. they talk circles around me...
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago 3
You let your own prejudices and Cultural-centrism misguide you.
You're probably American so you wouldn't know but you'd be surprised to learn that "on the nose" is an idiom that's used only in the US and that a vast majority of native English speakers from the UK or Australia for instance would have to look it up...
once again, they are commenting on the lack of cultural synergy, NOT on the Indians lack of skills!
CreepCrawler 4 years ago
you're morons... when people jump to cry "racism" at every opportunity, they are usually the ones whose prejudices taint everything...
The video is not saying that "brown people" are lesser than "white people" or that Bollywood doesn't exist or that Indians don't speak good English...
It's commenting on the cultural differences. Bollywood movies are written in a specific cultural frame that cannot be imposed on US movies more than a US cultural frame should be imposed on Bollywood.
CreepCrawler 4 years ago 2
It's taking a satirical view at the delocalization of many jobs to India, not saying India is bad but saying it wouldn't work for writers...
if you see more into this, you're looking too hard
CreepCrawler 4 years ago
i'm just saying that constantly stereotyping a group of people as such would make it hard for people unfamiliar with that culture to see that the stereotype does not apply to ALL of the people within the group.
and just b/c americans use some phrases that the english or australian do not use does not mean that they speak better english, if that is what you implied.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
boy, you're obtuse! that's not at all what I was implying... on the contrary! Ironically, you defend plural culturalism but your reply is so ethno-centric, it's scary...
you don't speal foreign languages, do you? what I'm saying as a non native English speaker is that the fact that he has to look up "on the nose" doesn't mean he speaks bad english, it means it's an idiom that's specifically American and that most non-US English speakers would have to look it up!
CreepCrawler 4 years ago
There are a loooot of idioms that are used in English by Australians, Brits or even Canadians that are unknown to US natives... it's just how languages work, different countries, same languages, different idioms...
in fact, I was making your exact point!
CreepCrawler 4 years ago
i can't honestly say that i speak any language well, but i am very familiar with at least 3 others as opposed to english.
like i said, i wasn't sure what you were implying by mentioning the "on the nose" part of the video. i understood it as lack of english-speaking skills. again, i wasn't sure what your point was in in bringing that up, but this means that we at least agree on this one point. as i said in my earlier post, i didn't understand your implication. there's no argument there.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
so you're saying "speak slowly using simple words" or morons will believe you're saying something racist?
I don't think the fact that people are idiots and see racism everywhere is a good enough reason to lower our standards, I think it's a reason to raise them.
If people can't understand the stereotyping's purpose here, who cares about them? Let them read and learn, don't lower yourself to their level!
CreepCrawler 4 years ago
once more, this is definitely NOT a a racist video. NOT RACIST. ok, another point to agree on.
all i'm saying is that there is this stereotype that foreigners cannot speak good english. it is true many times, but we never see the other side of the story in which the foreigners actually have to dumb-down their language for americans. i just wanted to give the other side of the story. everything in the media is so one-sided that it's just irritating sometimes.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago 2
i didnt think this was "racism" in any way. any time the word 'outsourcing' is used, 'india' comes to mind. that's ok for joke purposes. the problem is that if we only show jokes, the general public will have only this negative outlook on indians. i generally think bollywood movies are crap and have the humour level of a kindergarten child, but i do respect some of the beautiful literature they have come up with, too.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
But you are sort of asuming the tone of the joke was despective, that is, "look at the ignorant indian guy, he didn't know what 'on the nose meant'", when in fact, it's more about the fact that it wasn't even in the same industry, it was computer support, AND it was a foreigner. Like CreepCrawler said, it's about different cultural frames. It's about american writers in american industry. It's not saying that indians or foreigners in general aren't good enuogh. It's just a different culture.
Anaclon 4 years ago
yes, i do take it as a joke, and it is funny. but, as a whole, americans look down on other cultures as stupid (not all americans, but most are quite ignorant). if the video really didn't want to seem like it was making another culture seem dumb ('on the nose' thing was not my problem), then the 'different cultural frame' shouldn't have been portrayed as stupid. the 'cultural frame' shown is definitely not very intelligent, you must agree.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
ok, the guy was also a techie, not a writer, so he was in the wrong field and there was nothing wrong with the portrayal of that. all i'm saying is that americans generally have a negative outlook on other cultures (as other cultures do for each other, let's face it, there will always be prejudice), and this video just perpetuates that.
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
RammsteinlsMeinGott, so basically you are highjacking this thread to note a point you have about American ignorance about other cultures. I think then, your statements are at best inappropiate for this venue.
kirktucci 4 years ago
I felt like it was. that was the thought that came to mind for me when i saw this, and who the hell are you to judge whether it is appropriate or not?
RammsteinIstMeinGott 4 years ago
"thats my first " "vondervul"
ashleyams 4 years ago
"He's on Tthe phone"
ashleyams 4 years ago
I love Holly Hunter....She is such an amzing soul...
ashleyams 4 years ago
LOL!
AcademyAwardsGirl 4 years ago
In support of writers and the WGA, I am boycotting movies, TV, DVDs and internet video.
Writers are the foundation of every movie and TV show we've ever gotten anything out of. They've been disrespected forever. It's time to show respect. It's time to compensate them fairly.
Visual storytelling is how we practice facing fear and conflict. It's how we remember how to laugh in the face of tragedy.
dogmadied 4 years ago
You guys are pathetic, this video is horrible and racist. Using the stereotypes of Indians to sell your paranoia is weak and wrong. You writers can't come up with something better? Disappointing to see such a fake accent.
thetrickman 4 years ago 2
This would be really pathetic if it weren't reality...sad sad sad
..Love your hair Holly!
JOOINME 4 years ago
Excellent. What a great concept. And Holly Hunter owns.
busterbeeps 4 years ago